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"juke/footwork - someone on okp must be feeling this"


  

          

my last post on this dissappeared so im doing it again

here is an EPIC mix from manny, clent and traxman
http://www.themathandscienceshow.com/mixes/clentmannytraxman.mp3

here is a seriously amazing (and long) mix from dj rashad on londons rinse fm
http://podcast.dgen.net/rinsefm/podcast/DJRashad040411.mp3

those are both really long though

so here are some juke tracks i can imagine okps getting into -

rashad and spinn - space juke
this one is like herbie hancock if he grew up with ghetto tech/ghetto house ( i dunno if theyre sampled, anyone know? but i love the analogue synths on this)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yF1gn-gKFY

rp boo - eraser
this is like footwork as robocop soundtrack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap9A_ybnD00

dj roc - they cant fuck with me
this one is hardcore footwork, i love how the chorus is cut up - if premier was making footwork, this is how i think it might sound
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGvj3YDE2g0

anyway, i dont know what wave or stage juke/footwork (i only recently figured out the differences in these terms) is at, but even though i dont like all of it (sometimes im listening to it wondering 'huh?!' lol) a lot of it is pretty amazing. theres something fresh about it. lot of raw energy that i really like and dont hear much from anywhere else, so juke fills that void pretty nicely right now. and no i definitely dont think it would be better with rappers. also, the bass drops on a lot of these tracks are quite immense.

  

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lol so it seems i was wrong
May 03rd 2011
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I got the Bangs & Works comp
May 03rd 2011
2
dear addison groove: CUT IT OUT
May 03rd 2011
3
there is a spinn and rashad mix of footcrab that beats the original
May 03rd 2011
6
they don't play this crap in Chicago clubs.
May 03rd 2011
9
      kinda like what they say about go-go in DC?
Nov 17th 2011
37
DJ NATE is redic
May 03rd 2011
4
we've been hoping you'd come in the mumu
May 03rd 2011
5
No bc we don't fetishize Blacks like you (British) ppl.
May 03rd 2011
7
lol
May 03rd 2011
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      but for real,
May 03rd 2011
10
           dude
May 03rd 2011
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           RE: dude
May 03rd 2011
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                you dont like rare groove?
May 03rd 2011
13
                Ok.
May 03rd 2011
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                I never really got this criticism of white people though...
May 03rd 2011
                     its the idea
May 03rd 2011
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                     it's kind of funny that you mention this
Nov 17th 2011
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                Really surprised to see you so hardlined on this one
May 03rd 2011
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                Both
May 03rd 2011
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                     full disclosure: that was bait
May 03rd 2011
18
                          I guess.
May 03rd 2011
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                wow dude lol. I worked at a NYC reissue label and it definitely was
Nov 17th 2011
38
                     OR it could just be cos this is some totally 'new' sounding stuff
Nov 18th 2011
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                          inbox n/m
Nov 18th 2011
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                               statute of limitations expired
Jan 30th 2013
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           this is profoundly false
Apr 27th 2014
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                guess I should have checked the date, but still
Apr 27th 2014
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Ok.
May 03rd 2011
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you KNOW what's finna happen, right?
Nov 14th 2011
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      nah...it's dead already
Nov 17th 2011
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RE: juke/footwork - someone on okp must be feeling this
Jun 11th 2011
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not that anyone was necessarily going to hook me up
Jun 11th 2011
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      oh, and it's flames, too
Oct 10th 2012
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Thanks for this post, bookmarking it.
Jun 11th 2011
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Oral history of Footwork (link)
Nov 14th 2011
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More history shit (video)
Feb 17th 2012
47
Never heard of it before
Nov 14th 2011
25
TinyMixTapes put me on with a DJ Rashad review
Nov 14th 2011
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and they repping hard for this Bangs & Works 2 too (4.5/5)
Nov 15th 2011
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vol 2 isnt as good as vol 1 imo
Nov 18th 2011
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this video is awesome
Aug 19th 2012
59
NEVER been a fan of Juke music...
Nov 14th 2011
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footwork is pretty diff from old juke/ghetto house
Nov 18th 2011
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its more about the dancing than the music
Nov 14th 2011
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I LOVE Bang bang bang skeet skeet skeet and Percolator, and a
Nov 14th 2011
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thank you for this. n/m
Nov 15th 2011
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DJ Rashad mix link is dead, btw.
Nov 15th 2011
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is there a key blog/resource on the genre?
Nov 16th 2011
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the only one I ever found was for Bitch Ass Darius' tape
Nov 16th 2011
35
theres a blog
Nov 18th 2011
45
Dj Earl - my mind
Nov 18th 2011
46
People actually like that stuff?
Nov 17th 2011
39
Great post. Thanks for this.
Feb 19th 2012
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new Traxman album might be the best footwork album so far
Apr 11th 2012
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this rashad/spinn we trippy mane mix is seriously good too
Apr 11th 2012
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yup, been all over this the past week.
Apr 11th 2012
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      interesting examples
Apr 11th 2012
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      "future beat" is a horrible term
Apr 11th 2012
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           future bass is another bad one
Apr 11th 2012
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                RE: future bass is another bad one
Apr 11th 2012
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                     RE: future bass is another bad one
Apr 11th 2012
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                          smug prick
Jul 19th 2012
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      ive heard some good stuff that uses it
Apr 11th 2012
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i love this shit. machinedrum put me up on this
Jan 30th 2013
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found a great Rashad and Spinn mix from '11
Feb 24th 2013
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So where are we with this?
Mar 07th 2014
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new dj clent EP
Mar 07th 2014
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We called it "Jit" in Tha D
Apr 27th 2014
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RIP DJ Rashad
Apr 26th 2014
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thats why I came in. very sad.
Apr 27th 2014
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GumDrops
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1. "lol so it seems i was wrong"
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anyway

some footage of footwork dancers in action -

http://www.dummymag.com/next/2011/04/28/chicago-footwork-battle-live-video/


  

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2. "I got the Bangs & Works comp"
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And I enjoyed some Juke styled songs on the last Hype Williams album. I think it's a small doses kind of deal, but I dig it.

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3. "dear addison groove: CUT IT OUT"
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look

footcrab was great. brilliant, even. however, footcrabs 2, 3, and 57 suck. terribly. stop emulating these innovative chicago kids and go back to the vaguely basic channel-ish dubstep that you made your name on. or just stop all together

re: juke

i can't get into it + i can only take it small doses. this is no doubt due to the fact that i'm experiencing it on headphones and not in a chicago club dancing to it

  

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6. "there is a spinn and rashad mix of footcrab that beats the original"
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Tue May-03-11 03:23 PM by GumDrops

  

          

by some way too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcGsLohUscg

the original is cool but its too... idk, detailed? over produced? not raw enough really. plus it needs to be about 20bpm faster. its only good pitched up to +8.

  

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9. "they don't play this crap in Chicago clubs."
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it's kidz music. i have 0 idea where they play it. jr high school dances?

fuck you.

  

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37. "kinda like what they say about go-go in DC?"
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4. "DJ NATE is redic"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHJXkGP-kH4

  

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5. "we've been hoping you'd come in the mumu"
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thread is up now if you're around. otherwise try to make it on friday.
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7. "No bc we don't fetishize Blacks like you (British) ppl."
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fuck you.

  

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8. "lol"
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ok.



  

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10. "but for real,"
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it seems a certain segment of Brits will go for any music adopted by or created by poor Blacks. this Juke fascination proves it.

nobody over here pays this stuff any attention except for the few dozen/hundred kids who post YouTube videos of themselves doing their lil footworking and whatnot. otherwise it's ignored.

fuck you.

  

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11. "dude"
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you guys pay attention to a load of ignorant hip hop and buy it in the millions

most the ignorant southern rap that is big in the states goes nowhere over here

and the people into juke is a tiny group. i went to a juke event last week that they put together to showcase the dancers and a few djs and there were barely 50 people there!

so the theory that we lap up any old stuff en masse just cos its black makes no sense to me

ill admit that post-diplo there seemed to be a lot of people (tho not just in the uk) suddenly liking a lot of ghetto tech/house and maybe liking the not so great parts of it a bit too much, but most people into juke this time round dont actually like the ignorant house stuff, they like the weird, more abstract stuff (ie less things like break that bitch with a bat, more things like space juke which i posted above, which is def not ignorant)

but yr response explains why this stuff gets such short shrift in chicago. its not all great or amazing, dont get me wrong, but a lot of it on a basic 'dance music futurism' kind of level, is pretty great, or novel at least. tracks like space juke which i posted arent crappy (honestly lol).

and i dont think most people into it like it just cos its AUTHENTIC BLACK MUSIC or whatever, i think they just like hearing something thats raw and different. i mean, its dance music, its not like hip hop where the race of whos making it is in your face.

  

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12. "RE: dude"
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>you guys pay attention to a load of ignorant hip hop and buy
>it in the millions

my bad, i should have added that the Brits i'm talking about prefer if the poor Black music is underground or forgotten.

>so the theory that we lap any old stuff just cos its black
>makes no sense to me - i dunno where you get that from?

Northern Soul. Rare Groove. for starters.

>ill admit that post diplo there seemed to be a lot of people
>suddenly liking a lot of ghetto tech/house and maybe liking
>the not so great parts of it a bit too much, which was a bit
>weird, but most people into juke this time round dont like the
>ignorant stuff, they like the weird, more abstract stuff (ie
>less things like break that bitch with a bat, more things like
>space juke which i posted above, which is def not ignorant)

LOL

i don't care whether this music is 'ignorant' or not. my problems w/it are sonic, not lyric. it sounds horrid.

>but yr response explains why this stuff gets such short shrift
>in chicago. its not all great or amazing, dont get me wrong,
>but a lot of it on a basic 'dance music futurism' kind of
>level, is pretty great, or novel at least. and i dont think
>most people into it like it cos its AUTHENTIC BLACK MUSIC or
>whatever (well hopefully not), i think they just like hearing
>something thats raw and different.

mmm-hmm.

fuck you.

  

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13. "you dont like rare groove?"
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Tue May-03-11 04:10 PM by GumDrops

  

          

half that stuff was sampled by hip hop producers anyway. whats the diff between brits having a scene around it? it wasnt a white scene either. mica paris and omar came from the rare groove scene. northern soul, ok, i never totally got why a load of totally generic (well to me they were) soul 45s were so prized either, but hey, the scene had some good dances/clubs.

but yeah, theres always been brits playing elite/purist and fetishising some long gone/dead black american scene (footwork/juke isnt dead though, its still alive) despite not being from there, dont ask me why. and yeah, some get really weird/anal/creepy about it (tho you prob wouldnt have groups like the stones or led zep without this sort of nutso purism). but i dont see it as so diff from what hip hop djs do to find obscure stuff, apart from the obvious fact that its from a pretty big distance (geographically and culturally). i dont think the 'white ppl only like dead/old black music' theory is confined only to brits if thats what youre getting at.

  

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17. "Ok."
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fuck you.

  

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"I never really got this criticism of white people though..."
Tue May-03-11 04:20 PM by Jakob Hellberg

          

>i dont think the 'white ppl
>only like dead/old black music' theory is confined only to
>brits if thats what youre getting at.

The dead/old black music is usually MUCH more in line with rock (and country for that matter) not to mention that it wasn't necessarily old/dead when the influences started to come into rock etc. If white people are looking for the r4oots of what they like, there's a fairly big chance that they will come across at least SOME old/dead black music that's not too far removed from their preferences.

Shit, even when it comes to funk, even some cornball who digs RHCP shouldn't have a problem with P-funk and that wasn't really old/totally dead when RHCP started out either.

Northern Soul is a bit different in that from what I understand, in certain areas of britain, they loved to dance to Motown since the 60's and didn't really care for the change of sound in black music. When black americans stopped making that type of music, they had run out of songs to play so they were more or less *forced* to find old, obscure songs in the same vein to satisfy the club-goers. After a while, those songs became new standards within the scene. I amy be wrong but that's how I always thought it was originally.

Of course, the type of Northern Soul-nerds who can namedrop hundreds of obscure songs without owning a Four Tops-record are really strange but i think they are more into the cult/culture of the scene itself rather than the ccontext where the music was initially created.

  

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20. "its the idea"
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that when the scenes alive, its too dangerous to get involved with, so much better to wait til its dead and buried, when its gets safer (obv the net has changed this a bit).

reminds me of how that book about how robert johnson is seen as the best bluesman ever now but at the time he wasnt even very popular. its about how theres a tendency for ppl to divorce black music from its original context.

i get so_what's beef with the fetishising of anything black just cos its black rather than cos its good (or elevating the obscure over the popular, tho this is just what snobs do lol) but the thing with juke is that its not dead/buried, its still alive, some of us genuinely think theres something good about it, and well, if non-participants are only allowed to get into a music when its popular/not obscure, then no one should have been allowed to care about hip hop until say, the late 90s when it went pop.

  

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40. "it's kind of funny that you mention this"
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>understand, in certain areas of britain, they loved to dance
>to Motown since the 60's and didn't really care for the change
>of sound in black music. When black americans stopped making
>that type of music, they had run out of songs to play so they
>were more or less *forced* to find old, obscure songs in the
>same vein to satisfy the club-goers. After a while, those
>songs became new standards within the scene. I amy be wrong
>but that's how I always thought it was originally.

because hearing Billy Ocean's first records, I thought that the general "sound" of them was about 10 years off despite being released in the mid-70s.

  

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14. "Really surprised to see you so hardlined on this one"
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Is it the music sucks that bad to you, or the fact that it's being propped up by a culture outside of it?
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16. "Both"
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fuck you.

  

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18. "full disclosure: that was bait"
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i'll file it to use against you in an argument later, though i'll probably forget by then. but you remember that okay. (also please read that as humor and not ethugging or anything. just you know friendly music debate shit)
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19. "I guess. "
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fuck you.

  

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38. "wow dude lol. I worked at a NYC reissue label and it definitely was "
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weird seeing the UK trip with Northern Soul and a bunch of other lil craftily named niche genres. I guess Boogie would be one of them too.

the products we sold were rife with cheap imagery that appealed to the fetish factor, particularly in foreigners. (afros, five million usages of 'funky' 'funked up' all over the jackets and damn if 'fecund' wasn't even used one time lolz)

With juke fascination I don't think it's totally fetishism, part of it is applying a maven's need to classify and categorize to obscure shit nobody else has heard about just for the satisfaction of having done it, maybe

  

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41. "OR it could just be cos this is some totally 'new' sounding stuff"
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that sounds like nothing else really. footwork isnt the same as old ghetto house/juke.

>With juke fascination I don't think it's totally fetishism,
>part of it is applying a maven's need to classify and
>categorize to obscure shit nobody else has heard about just
>for the satisfaction of having done it, maybe

i dont think all footwork is amazing, its not, but it sounds like nothing else (i know its not 'new' per se, but until the last few years, i didnt know about it), so even when its a bit rough around the edges, and kinda amateur sounding, ill take that over half the other music out there. i like music that sounds NEW and totally different, regardless of who makes it. it just so happens that i like hip hop, harder music, electronic music, and stuff thats about rhythm, and uk dance music like grime, which id say is similar in a lot of ways, so liking juke/footwork is kinda natural.

  

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43. "inbox n/m"
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61. "statute of limitations expired"
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the inbox was a link to https://soundcloud.com/sidneylooper

  

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68. "this is profoundly false"
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>nobody over here pays this stuff any attention except for the
>few dozen/hundred kids who post YouTube videos of themselves
>doing their lil footworking and whatnot. otherwise it's
>ignored.

  

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69. "guess I should have checked the date, but still"
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Thats a definite mischaracterization

  

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15. "Ok."
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fuck you.

  

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28. "you KNOW what's finna happen, right?"
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It's gonna blow up because of some Hipster/Irony shit, and we're gonna get bombarded by a bunch of horrible sounding imitation Juke/Footwork shit for the next year.



As if REAL Juke shit ain't bad enough.


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36. "nah...it's dead already"
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but in support of you and SoWhat check out that oral history link.

  

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21. "RE: juke/footwork - someone on okp must be feeling this"
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>here is a seriously amazing (and long) mix from dj rashad on
>londons rinse fm
>http://podcast.dgen.net/rinsefm/podcast/DJRashad040411.mp3

404: Requested file does not exist.
:/

every blog/forum hot linked to this file, too... reup?

  

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23. "not that anyone was necessarily going to hook me up"
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but for my own karma *cough* here is a repost http://weirdmagic.biz/2011/04/dj-rashad-live-on-rinse-fm-reverb/

  

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60. "oh, and it's flames, too"
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22. "Thanks for this post, bookmarking it."
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All I know about this music is that Salem (who I love) considers it a big influence of theirs. Interesting stuff, thank you.

  

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24. "Oral history of Footwork (link)"
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http://soundcloud.com/user6078324/footwork-selects
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47. "More history shit (video)"
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http://vimeo.com/36275353
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25. "Never heard of it before"
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sounds like it'd be really good in the right context e.g. not in headphones.

It's a lil' too minimal too be dance music for me though.

  

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26. "TinyMixTapes put me on with a DJ Rashad review"
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they posted this video and it was a clean sweep, I can't find the time to dive in but that song that samples Nas' "Dreamin'" is fucking STUPID

http://youtu.be/smmZGIgm4F0

I watched a bunch of these one night

IDK if it's rashad on the turntables but I just can't turn this video off whenever I watch it/. I love the whole mix it's hypnotic as hell.

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31. "and they repping hard for this Bangs & Works 2 too (4.5/5)"
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i mean. HARD. lot of links scattered through here if you click the main page.

http://www.tinymixtapes.com/music-review/various-artists-planet-mu-bangs-works-vol-2


When was the last time you experienced Futureshock? I mean really experienced it — affectively, right down to your core. For my part, I got a small dose at the start of the year from James Blake’s self-titled debut. Sure, it had a history; Blake’s indebtedness to dubstep (even bordering on a kind of purism) has been well noted. But that doesn’t change the fact that his clever deployment of both bass and (particularly) space meant that pop sounded different now. This, suddenly, seemed to be the future. And sure enough, it was. So much so, in fact, that the future quickly began to sound dull again: present and, soon enough, altogether past.

Right now, just about everywhere on the planet other than in certain key enclaves in Chicago, footwork seems like the sound of the future. Strictly, it’s a kind of dance music. Or at least “that’s what it is in Chicago’s converted warehouses and rec centers,” as TMT’s Mr P recently put it, “where combatant footworkers form circles and take turns battling, dozens-style, with dazzlingly complex foot patterns.” Outside of such rarefied circles, however, nothing else sounds so Fresh, so New, so Vital, or so Different, even to the point of being Unpalatable — not Unintelligible necessarily, but literally Indecipherable at the level of the body.

In other words, if footwork induces a profound Futureshock, it’s because so many of its listeners simply don’t know what to do with it (yet). This is a sound, after all — a 21st-century audioscience, a mutant manifestation of what Kodwo Eshun calls the Futurhythmachine — that seems to have been spawned in a kind of splendid isolation: proof, finally (Reynolds be praised!), that yes they do still make scenes like they did in the good ol’ days.

By the time Planet Mu’s stellar Bangs & Works Vol. 1 burst onto the Hipster International’s collective radar late last year, the best and most confronting thing about footwork was that they (we?) weren’t immediately hip to it. How could we be? We’d been separated from the scene that birthed it by the tyranny of a cybergeography that seems to give us instant access to any music, any time, any where… but not quite, at least not in the way that a genre like footwork seems to demand. We can’t, after all, dance like this, can we? And when we listen on headphones, it can easily seem as if we’re somehow missing the point. This is Utilitarian music for which many of its listeners are yet to find a utility. Not that its makers give a shit, of course. And nor should they.

And so to Vol. 2, curated again by Brightonian Mike Paradinas, and this time showcasing a bunch of fresh new Chicago talent (Young Smoke, Jlin, DJ MC) as well as many of the stalwarts of the scene (DJ Spinn, DJ Rashad, DJ Clent). It’s good. Very good. Just as likely to be confronting to the uninitiated listener as the first volume and a genuinely exciting addition to the collection of those who have been already following. Like B McGhee, I’m loathe to either describe or theorize it, in a way. It feels like an act of appropriation. Except I’ve got Eshun ringing in my ears.

The following is from his extraordinary (and difficult) book on so-called “Black Atlantic Futurism,” More Brilliant Than The Sun, published back in 1998. “Allegedly at odds with the rock press, dance-press writing also turns its total inability to describe any kind of rhythm into a virtue,” Eshun writes. “You can see that the entire British dance press constitutes a colossal machine for maintaining rhythm as an unwritable, ineffable mystery. And this is why Trad dance-music journalism is nothing more than lists and menus, bits and bytes: meager, miserly, mediocre.” We’ve come a long way since 1998, it seems to me, and not just in Britain, but the rhetoric of ineffability — as a kind of magical music-crit get-out-of-jail-free card — remains strong. So here’s me having a go at theorizing footwork anyway. Or rather, here’s how footwork’s been theorizing me.

Divorced from the “streets,” the context, the “battles,” the people, and “scene” that produced it, I can’t shake the feeling that Bangs & Works Vol. 2 is all about time. Not time in the way that the hauntologists and hypnagogues are interested in it; not time as in history, or the lack of it (though, what with footwork’s considerable dependency on samples, there is certainly an element of that going on); but I’m talking about time as in duration: speed, velocity, meter.

Let me be clear. I’m not just saying that footwork is fast. That’s obvious and also not particularly interesting. What I’m saying is that footwork really fucks with your expectations in relation to the divisibility of musical time itself. The jettisoning of house’s reliable 4/4 kick — the one that juke remains wedded to — is key in this respect. With footwork, there’s pulse, yes, but it can be hard as hell to put your finger on. And invariably, the moment you feel like you’ve got it, it’s gone again: like a ghost in the wind. Footwork isn’t just syncopated (like jazz). It doesn’t just stutter (like wonky). And it’s not just that it’s regularly ‘de-quantised’ (also like wonky). Footwork is microscopic. It’s not interested in 4ths or 8ths or even 16ths at all. Footwork’s basic unit of rhythm is the nano.

That, it seems to me, is partly why footworkers dance the way they do. That’s why the somatechnics it draws upon are so fricking small and intricate. And it’s also why Bangs & Works Vol. 2 makes for such a confronting listen. It completely messes with our received notions of musical duration. The relevant markers here aren’t bars or beats; they’re each and every one of those frenetic midi snare hits.

On a track like Traxman’s “Brainwash,” the interruption of the listener’s expectations in relation to meter is so utterly complete that it feels almost as if pulse has been completely discarded. Except it hasn’t. It’s just been reduced. Same with a track like Tha Pope’s “When You” (in spite of the intro) and a whole bunch of others. In other words, despite what your body may be telling you, there’s definitely meaning to this ‘madness.’ It’s just that if you’re looking for a toe-tapping 4/4 or a coma-inducing skank in two, you’re not going to find it here.

There’s a sense in which James Blake and footwork are polar opposites of the same (dis)continuum then. Blake (and The xx and a few other UK post-dubsteppers) are interested in space, whereas Chicago’s footwork scene is interested in compression. And so perhaps it’s not surprising that Blake et al. are all about vinyl, whereas the majority of footwork artists are perfectly happy with a 192 kbps MP3. Where on a release like “Order/Pan,” Blake’s interested to see just how wide he can stretch musical space; Bangs & Works Vol. 2 is mostly an exercise in squeezing it.

It’s fitting in a way. Two Futuremusics, from opposite sides of the Atlantic, both interested in time. This is perhaps the axis on which the battle for our bodies will increasingly be fought. After all, as Eshun puts it, “The bedroom, the party, the dancefloor, the rave: these are the labs where the 21st C nervous systems assemble themselves, the matrices of the Futurhythmachinic Discontinuum.”


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42. "vol 2 isnt as good as vol 1 imo"
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not nearly as many standouts... but i like it. its more like footwork for the already converted.

  

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59. "this video is awesome"
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>they posted this video and it was a clean sweep, I can't find
>the time to dive in but that song that samples Nas' "Dreamin'"
>is fucking STUPID
>
>http://youtu.be/smmZGIgm4F0

years of IDM, baltimore club, and hip-hop fucked my mind up just enough for me to find this utterly brilliant, thanks

  

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27. "NEVER been a fan of Juke music..."
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and I'm from the West Side of Chicago where it REALLY had a strong FanBase in the early to mid 90's. The shit was everywhere, and it all sounded terrible to me.


Never liked it, and I'm always a bit pissed when people ( who don't listen to Dance Music ) lump it in with House music.



and like SoWhat said, that shit is ( was) mostly made for Teenagers. No clubs really play that shit.


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44. "footwork is pretty diff from old juke/ghetto house"
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a track like this dj nate one doesnt really sound much like old dj deeon songs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORf_acLEV5k&feature=related

this track is closer to the old stuff -
http://soundcloud.com/djgantman/gant-man-dj-rashad-heaven-sent

this one i could almost imagine broken beat or people like vikter duplaix getting into. its like juked out early 80s boogie or something.

but yeah, this stuff's relationship to old juke is a lot like grime's relationship to old uk garage. you can trace the line but its basically its own thing. the way a lot of older generation juke/house producers and djs seem to hate the newer footwork stuff is like old uk garage people hating grime when it came out.

  

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29. "its more about the dancing than the music"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnMxzD6WYxI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgnZ2yQChlY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpQw9JnCmRE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWytA49lbi0&feature=related

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30. "I LOVE Bang bang bang skeet skeet skeet and Percolator, and a "
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few other songs. But..............WTFUUUUUUCK is this Eraser song here??!??????? It's not even a beat...I don't even see how they can Footwork to this...I literally re-plugged my headphones in to make sure I wasn't missing some of the drums

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32. "thank you for this. n/m"
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33. "DJ Rashad mix link is dead, btw."
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got a tracklisting for the first mix?

thx again



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34. "is there a key blog/resource on the genre?"
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just curious if theres an online homebase behind or involved in the movement

i have so many song ID's i'm tryna find from these mixes, including
the Dr Buzzard "Sunshowers" remix
Stevie Wonder "I Love You Too Much" remix
the "every time i see you you look so fine, i wonder what things go thru ur mind" joint @ 1:17:00 in the first mix

& then been goin thru this DJ Spinn mix on Math + Science
he played this crazy ass juke edit of Badu/TaRaach's "Gone Baby Gone,"
a Jamiroquai flip,
& a whole bunch of other joints

can't find tracklistings anywhere
& google searches have been coming up dry


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35. "the only one I ever found was for Bitch Ass Darius' tape"
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http://www.discogs.com/Bitch-Ass-Darius-Follow-The-Sound/release/7943

otherwise, yea. blue balls.

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45. "theres a blog"
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by the writer dave quam - if you google his name and juke and footwork youll find it...

theres various threads on it on other msg boards too if thats what you mean. i dont know about any particular websites dedicated to it though, apart from artist sites, and soundclouds, youtubes etc.

  

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is the track that samples Dr. Buzzards

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A87cLGlKkKs

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39. "People actually like that stuff?"
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I'm good on all of that you had posted.






Since 1976

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48. "Great post. Thanks for this."
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49. "new Traxman album might be the best footwork album so far"
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he seems like a technically better producer than a lot of the other guys, more experienced... not everything works, but its a really good album. the track 1988 which uses old fucked up and seriously twisted acid 303s is just insanely good. but then im a sucker for anything using old rave sounds.

  

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50. "this rashad/spinn we trippy mane mix is seriously good too"
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http://soundcloud.com/djrashadteklife/rashad-spinn-we-trippy-mane

though i have to confess my enthusiasm for this stuff isnt quite as high as it was. the shock of the new has worn off now and i dunno if whats left is quite enough to keep me super-interested. its still unlike anything else around though, and when its intense - which it is at various points in this mix - its still pretty powerful.

im still on the fence when it comes to mellower footwork or stuff that samples old soul though.... not sure its aligned smooth enough - might just be cos im an old hip hop head but the sampling is a bit too choppy/rough around the edges at times for me.

  

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51. "yup, been all over this the past week."
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its crazy to see how the juke/footwork sound is influencing a lot of the dubstep/"future beat" guys these days
from Machine Drum to Daedelus to Jimmy Edgar... you can hear it all over the place right now




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52. "interesting examples"
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because they were all pre-dubstep guys, so maybe they're just trying to stay current and inspired... also, i am not sure i have seen "future beat" used by non-OKPs, but i'm out of touch

  

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54. ""future beat" is a horrible term"
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i've definitely seen it outside of here tho
booking agencies/promoters, etc.


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55. "future bass is another bad one"
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saw that once or twice outside of OKP

i always go back to, how much longer do we have to refer to electronic music as "futuristic"? the future is now...

  

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56. "RE: future bass is another bad one"
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>saw that once or twice outside of OKP

yeah thats another common one.

>i always go back to, how much longer do we have to refer to
>electronic music as "futuristic"? the future is now...

agreed.
its clearly close to its peak right now,
i don't think we'll have to wait till the flying cars era



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57. "RE: future bass is another bad one"
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>>i always go back to, how much longer do we have to refer to
>>electronic music as "futuristic"? the future is now...
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>agreed.
>its clearly close to its peak right now,
>i don't think we'll have to wait till the flying cars era

my other beef with the "future" use is that a lot of the music is looking way back, even footwork/juke has been around in some form for decades

and while i think that people appreciate electronic music in a more meaningful way now than ever before, it's important to remember that there have been previous waves of massive popularity. a lot of times when i read about the state of current electronic music, it's presented as something new or just now bubbling up from the underground. it's definitely "in" for now, but i don't think the acceptance will last from people who used to fall outside of the main base of listeners, i think a lot will move onto the next thing

  

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58. "smug prick"
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53. "ive heard some good stuff that uses it"
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like kuedo and distal

but a fair amount of it just seems to make it better sounding or more polished but doesnt have that same energy as the original stuff. but its cool to hear it.

im a bit tired of all the in between sounding stuff out at the moment coming from post-dubstep guys - i prefer when theres more direction. but im more of a purist so...

  

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62. "i love this shit. machinedrum put me up on this"
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63. "found a great Rashad and Spinn mix from '11"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0hTcg695rE

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64. "So where are we with this?"
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Already had enough of the sound?

Whats fresh to your ears?

Where is it going?

Have you ever footworked yourself?

To people like US, a record is a piece of history. A moment in time.
Most people don't get it.

  

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65. "new dj clent EP"
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http://www.planet.mu/discography/ZIQ347

  

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67. "We called it "Jit" in Tha D"
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>Have you ever footworked yourself?
>

and from about '91 to about '95, I was one of them "jit niggas" up in the club.

In the 80's, I just watched Jit niggas on The Scene, then Contempo, then finally The New Dance Show on 62.


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66. "RIP DJ Rashad"
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http://www.factmag.com/2014/04/27/dj-rashad-has-reportedly-died/

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70. "thats why I came in. very sad."
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He was supposed to play here (detroit) tonight with spinn.

Spinn still played. Cant imagine the emotion he put into his set. I have a feeling it was a night for the all time annals of midwestern dance music history.

  

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