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disco dj
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"Spinoff post: Let's fix the Music Bidness..."


  

          

okay, so we know that "the music business needs a new business model" and "failed to adapt", and "the paradigm has shifted" and *insert Armchair A&R jargon of choice*.
We've already discussed ( ad nauseum ) how the music industry pretty much shot itself in the foot over the last 15 years.


So now that the smoke has cleared and everybody has his or her own ideas on how to sell/market/find/make music in 2011, let's put our heads together. How can WE as fans,artists,consumers, and all around heads fix this shit to that the music bidness becomes appealing to the average Jon Q. Public?


Alright, you self-righteous pricks, and greedy sumbitches. Let's brainstorm. List up some ideas and let's troubleshoot 'em.


( oh, and uh, I'm not trying to hear any "the shit can't be fixed" cop-outs. Either you're going to participate in this post, or keep on the sidelines....)



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to fix somethin', you have to know what is wrong
Feb 27th 2011
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http://i51.tinypic.com/2vaxv6e.jpg
Feb 27th 2011
2
how is this a copout?
Feb 27th 2011
9
      because most of the audience will still 'steal'
Feb 27th 2011
12
           i don't buy it either, cuz i download albums i like
Feb 27th 2011
16
                i really believe that most artists don't think they're making crap.
Feb 27th 2011
18
                     maybe, but if i'm on a limited budget
Feb 27th 2011
25
                     I agree.
Feb 28th 2011
57
well, let's dig in...
Feb 27th 2011
3
      nah, not at all.
Feb 27th 2011
8
           Gotcha...
Feb 27th 2011
15
           would requesting that Google block all Torrent searches help?
Feb 28th 2011
41
the silence is deafening...
Feb 27th 2011
4
It's Sunday night, man.
Feb 27th 2011
5
      The Man will have his foot firmly planted on my Neck tomorrow.
Feb 27th 2011
6
           I Can See This Thread Falling Apart & Getting Off Track...
Feb 28th 2011
50
I think albums gotta come with them blowjobs, man
Feb 27th 2011
7
LOL w/a frown on my face.
Feb 27th 2011
11
man the ACLU would be all OVER that one, lol...
Feb 27th 2011
17
      lol.
Feb 27th 2011
19
      get in where you fit in
Feb 27th 2011
20
      it definitely is.
Feb 27th 2011
21
      I'mma start fuckin with his mind...
Feb 27th 2011
22
           oh, I've BEEN there.
Feb 27th 2011
24
                I had a chat w/my sister in law recently
Feb 28th 2011
42
                     LOL
Feb 28th 2011
43
      RE: man the ACLU would be all OVER that one, lol...
Feb 27th 2011
23
           because people don't like to be held accountable
Feb 28th 2011
44
i for one also don't think added dvds or extras help
Feb 27th 2011
10
as an example, i took to Google to find that new Windimoto.
Feb 27th 2011
13
Solid ideas
Feb 28th 2011
36
      i can't take credit for that, it's Scorpion's plan.
Mar 02nd 2011
122
i kinda said my piece here:
Feb 27th 2011
14
slow down internet connection speeds...that's all.
Feb 28th 2011
26
People were downloading on dialup, that won't help.
Feb 28th 2011
51
      Bootlegging will never stop, but it'll slow down
Feb 28th 2011
54
My 2 Cents
Feb 28th 2011
27
on the contrary, I think emphasis on the single needs to return
Feb 28th 2011
48
      I can live with singles, but only in certain genres.
Feb 28th 2011
56
           Primarily, I'm talking about a business perspective
Mar 01st 2011
106
Let's Fix The Radio & Television Airwaves
Feb 28th 2011
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what's wrong w/it?
Feb 28th 2011
29
Link to a long read with an interesting answer(s)
Feb 28th 2011
30
Another link with visualizations of what went wrong
Feb 28th 2011
31
Digital Music Vending Machines
Feb 28th 2011
32
when yall reach a consensus can some1 email me?
Feb 28th 2011
33
TV and radio model : free content, the money come from adds/taxes
Feb 28th 2011
34
What I meant is : people want free music ? give them free music
Mar 01st 2011
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      expand a bit on this...
Mar 01st 2011
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1. face reality and stop trying to sell recorded music
Feb 28th 2011
35
Let the net surfer / listener produce your album !
Feb 28th 2011
37
Basically it's Kickstarter meets American Idol.
Feb 28th 2011
38
It's more like 'the listener become the shareholder'
Feb 28th 2011
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      I don't like art by consensus/committee.
Feb 28th 2011
40
           but isn't that how the record industry is run now?
Feb 28th 2011
45
                yeah, but they are 'specialists'... 'insiders'
Feb 28th 2011
46
                     With a lower limit, edgy artists would be able to
Feb 28th 2011
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I can't imagine ever doing that.
Feb 28th 2011
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      I don't think he means 'produce' in the technical sense.
Feb 28th 2011
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           ah...so, they'd pick the 'best' shit from the raw material.
Feb 28th 2011
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                Something like that, I guess
Feb 28th 2011
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                     yeah...nah.
Feb 28th 2011
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                          yeah, that's how I feel.
Feb 28th 2011
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                          It would extend some careers...and totally scuttle others.
Feb 28th 2011
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                               seriously... it could be dangerous in the wrong hands.
Feb 28th 2011
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                               Those Mash-Up Producer/Remix Albums Are Getting Out Of Hand
Mar 01st 2011
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                          funders don't get to choose wich artistic direction you're going to take
Mar 01st 2011
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                               oh ok... that's different then, I guess.
Mar 01st 2011
105
This is a question for the average consumers
Feb 28th 2011
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they have that now.
Feb 28th 2011
59
      its still kinda hard. not centralized.
Feb 28th 2011
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Multiple Media Packages
Feb 28th 2011
52
^^^^
Feb 28th 2011
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I like the idea, BUT....
Feb 28th 2011
63
Yeah costs would have to be controlled
Feb 28th 2011
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      I do NOT pay for mp3s.
Feb 28th 2011
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           I have no problem with it....
Feb 28th 2011
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A Lot Of New Rock Vinyl Releases Come With Download Codes And...
Mar 01st 2011
103
follow the lead of bottled water manufacturers.
Feb 28th 2011
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water is necessary for health..mp3s? not so much
Feb 28th 2011
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      follow this to the extreme- 'taint' the mp3
Mar 01st 2011
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      i agree.
Mar 01st 2011
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i think a lot of people are forgetting that
Feb 28th 2011
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They never survived off record sales alone
Feb 28th 2011
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      that doesn't require you sell millions anymore
Feb 28th 2011
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      But still, no audience = no tour date.
Feb 28th 2011
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      what makes yall think there will be no audience??
Feb 28th 2011
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           Ain't Lil B a Soulja Boy affiliate?
Feb 28th 2011
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                same soulja boy whose album supposedly flopped?
Feb 28th 2011
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      I hope you don't really believe that shit...
Feb 28th 2011
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      dude there are people with followings who do this shit everyday
Feb 28th 2011
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           While I believe you have a point, you're mixing metaphors.
Feb 28th 2011
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                but the argument was youtube doesn't matter
Feb 28th 2011
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                     Nobody said YouTube doesn't matter.
Feb 28th 2011
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                     whe did I say it doesn't matter?
Feb 28th 2011
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                          if you gotta prove it but youtube views comes out to a lotta proof
Feb 28th 2011
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      just as I hit 'send' on my last reply to you
Feb 28th 2011
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           lol but see her problem is she's aiming too high @ ciara
Feb 28th 2011
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                LOL
Feb 28th 2011
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      RE: They never survived off record sales alone
Feb 28th 2011
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           exactly.
Feb 28th 2011
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           true.
Feb 28th 2011
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           and why might this be the case?
Feb 28th 2011
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                what's wrong with joining a tour?
Feb 28th 2011
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                nothing at all. I'd do it in a second.
Feb 28th 2011
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                RE: and why might this be the case?
Feb 28th 2011
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all arguing aside, let me say this:
Feb 28th 2011
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lolol
Feb 28th 2011
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      you keep me on my toes...I'll give you that.
Feb 28th 2011
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Feb 28th 2011
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Duct Tape...
Feb 28th 2011
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i had a great time reading this post
Mar 01st 2011
108
People going hard on Mwasi's Youtube comment, but she's right
Mar 01st 2011
109
Give me 2 radio stations in the top 10 markets
Mar 01st 2011
110
i was thinking along these lines...
Mar 01st 2011
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is downloadin' somethin' only small artists w/no strong foot
Mar 01st 2011
111
legalize weed and make package deals with albums.
Mar 01st 2011
115
Transparency
Mar 02nd 2011
117
that won't work.
Mar 02nd 2011
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Nah... they don't give a shit.
Mar 02nd 2011
120
Develop good to great artist and actually support good/great artist
Mar 02nd 2011
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Honestly I think I got it...
Mar 02nd 2011
121
every exec from the 80's & 90's needs to retire. ny/la elitism needs to ...
Mar 02nd 2011
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we need to archive this bitch...
Mar 18th 2012
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*bookmarks*
Mar 18th 2012
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hmmmmm
Mar 18th 2012
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In The Past Year Labels Have Been On A Suicide Mission
Mar 18th 2012
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give it away for free.
Mar 18th 2012
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Lots of good perspectives in the post
Mar 18th 2012
129

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1. "to fix somethin', you have to know what is wrong"
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what exactly is the problem?

lowered revenues?
lack of markets?
the death of the album?

what?

if you say, lack of lp sales
okay, well, for one, you can have the artist make better music
instead of includin' one or three hits on it, make sure EVERY song is bangin'. not just 4 or 6, but ALL. every album should use thriller as a template...rap or rock or rnb...from start to finish, it should be a banger..no throwaways

piracy...what did the music industry do to cope with casette dubbing? i see it as the same issue. except we have more connections due to the internet. either go after the file sharing/download sites and forums, because you're not gonna get rid of mp3 sharing between friends and family...but you can make it harder for people who don't know each other to share music.
there still is email though, but it may just make shit go underground
if that's the case, well they'll just have to accept that casualty

frankly, it's too many fuckin' alternatives...people can find what they want without record companies....they really aren't needed, and then you have so many artists, shit is disposable. too many songs come out too soon before you can digest the previous...fools is droppin' mixtapes every week it seems!

i'm not even really sure what the problem is anymore, after typin' all this...

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2. "http://i51.tinypic.com/2vaxv6e.jpg"
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>if you say, lack of lp sales
>okay, well, for one, you can have the artist make better
>music
>instead of includin' one or three hits on it, make sure EVERY
>song is bangin'. not just 4 or 6, but ALL. every album should
>use thriller as a template...rap or rock or rnb...from start
>to finish, it should be a banger..no throwaways

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9. "how is this a copout?"
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i'm not justifyin' stealin' music cuz
albums ain't bangin'

at least, not for myself

people are tired of gettin' burnt
when they were chargin' 15 to 20 for a cd
with only 2 or 3 songs you liked
when they stopped selllin' singles
now, with itunes, you can buy the songs you like

i think that would be a wake up call for the artists
to see, damn, i'm only sellin' on average 2 or 3 songs
off itunes based on a 13 song lp or whatever
maybe i need to step my game up...
and make better songs that will sell
so i can increase my average to 7 to 10 songs, if not all!

what's coppin' out about that?

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12. "because most of the audience will still 'steal'"
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Sun Feb-27-11 11:13 PM by AFKAP_of_Darkness

  

          

the records they actually LIKE rather than pay for them.

I've never believed the whole "we download these records because they suck" line of argument.

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16. "i don't buy it either, cuz i download albums i like"
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what i'm sayin' is
he asked how can we save the music business
i didn't answer how can we stop downloadin'
by answering make better albums

the current model of making sure (whether it's official
or unofficial) that every lp has at least 4 hits out of
10 cuts..the rest bein' an "album" cut, whatever the fuck
that really is
i can fart on a record for 4 minutes and talk over it
and as long as it's designated an album cut, i shouldn't
make it a quality song because i got 4 hits on it already?
fuck all that!
i want every song a banger, or quality, that i wouldn't want
to skip over to get to the next one
every song should connect and hit
it don't have to be a chartable hit, but just a song that connects
and "could" be marketed as a hit
sure, it's hard, and it would make artists work harder, and increase time between lps and reduce some of the flood of product
because people would spend more time tryin' to craft good songs
versus, racin' to meet quarterly overhead costs or whatever

somewhere, makin' music and lps got reduced to some microwave shit

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18. "i really believe that most artists don't think they're making crap."
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we look at it from the outside like...there's only 10 songs on this album, there's no way that it shouldn't be perfect. yet, somehow...someway...the shit is less than stellar. how does it happen? yesmen? is it the artist's fault? did the label interfere in a bad way? was the budget too low to get quality production/songwriting? who knows?

it's all too subjective to say.

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25. "maybe, but if i'm on a limited budget"
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well, i'm takin' my time craftin' songs
BEFORE i go in the studio
and testin' them out in club shows
or maybe use the mixtape for demo songs
and approval to see if they got any buzz
to flesh out into a full fledge song?
or use the blogs to drop ideas and see how the people
gravitate to them
or freestyles on record shows
to see if you're gettin' any feedback
from the fans

i don't know, i just think
some songs are the result of artists bein'
high and just sayin' fuck it, put it on
the lp, the fans'll dig it

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57. "I agree."
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>we look at it from the outside like...there's only 10 songs
>on this album, there's no way that it shouldn't be perfect.
>yet, somehow...someway...the shit is less than stellar. how
>does it happen? yesmen? is it the artist's fault? did the
>label interfere in a bad way? was the budget too low to get
>quality production/songwriting? who knows?
>
>it's all too subjective to say.


nobody sets out like : "I'm gonna put THREE bangers on here, and then phone the rest in..."


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3. "well, let's dig in..."
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>what exactly is the problem?
>
>lowered revenues?
>lack of markets?
>the death of the album?

I think there's more markets than ever, actually. ( The internet made the entire planet a marketplace, right?)


>
>what?
>
>if you say, lack of lp sales
>okay, well, for one, you can have the artist make better
>music


That's subjective. I find dope shit everyday. So that isn't really a *problem*.More of a perception.


>instead of includin' one or three hits on it, make sure EVERY
>song is bangin'. not just 4 or 6, but ALL. every album should
>use thriller as a template...rap or rock or rnb...from start
>to finish, it should be a banger..no throwaways


There's no way to make that universal. So for the purposes of this post, we can't really do shit with that one.


>
>piracy...what did the music industry do to cope with casette
>dubbing? i see it as the same issue.

Well, for ONE thing, They started kicking artists royalites on Blank Media. Meaning, since folks were buying blank tapes ( for obvious reasons), some artists got a cut of it. Supposedly, that's still the case with blank CD's, but we don't really hear that much about it...

except we have more
>connections due to the internet. either go after the file
>sharing/download sites and forums

Like they did with Napster? we saw how THAT ended. ( Shaun Fanning, why hast thou forsaken us?)

, because you're not gonna
>get rid of mp3 sharing between friends and family...but you
>can make it harder for people who don't know each other to
>share music.

true. I like it.


>there still is email though, but it may just make shit go
>underground
>if that's the case, well they'll just have to accept that
>casualty

But that's were we ARE already, right?


>
>frankly, it's too many fuckin' alternatives...people can find
>what they want without record companies....they really aren't
>needed, and then you have so many artists, shit is disposable.

Well, I'm of the mind that there's still good music to be found and bought. So I'm not ready to throw in the towel just yet...

( and in some cases artists DO need the structure and organization that a record company can provide. We've discussed that too...)


> too many songs come out too soon before you can digest the
>previous...fools is droppin' mixtapes every week it seems!

I see where you're headed, but you're not talking about the INDUSTRY though. And aren't mixtapes "unofficial"?



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8. "nah, not at all."
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>>there still is email though, but it may just make shit go
>>underground
>>if that's the case, well they'll just have to accept that
>>casualty
>
>But that's were we ARE already, right?

this shit isn't underground at all, my brother.

what block is saying that you'd have to at least KNOW somebody who had the MP3s you were looking for. kinda like how your boy had that new Ice T cassette and was willing to make you a dub. you'd talk directly to him and get that done.

nowadays, you can go to Google (<--- not underground, not anyone you know personally), type in an artist/album title/etc. and come up on an artist's whole catalog.

at least if THAT possibility was wiped out, digital sharing would be more like the old days of trading music with your people (or someone you e-know).

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mistamonotone - taboo
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15. "Gotcha..."
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I'm hoping we get more feedback in this post though.



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41. "would requesting that Google block all Torrent searches help?"
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>nowadays, you can go to Google (<--- not underground, not
>anyone you know personally), type in an artist/album
>title/etc. and come up on an artist's whole catalog.
>
>at least if THAT possibility was wiped out, digital sharing
>would be more like the old days of trading music with your
>people (or someone you e-know).

right now if you type in the name of an album, the 2d or third auto-fill option is '____ torrent.'

So Google (and other search engines) delete 'torrent' as a search option, and refuses to post search results that involve the word 'torrent.'

Probably still spitting into the wind, but it'd def. make it tougher - as well as not planting the seeds in folks who may not have actually been looking for a download but then see that prompt and think 'why the hell not?'

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4. "the silence is deafening..."
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where's all those would-be Music Moguls?



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5. "It's Sunday night, man."
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This is definitely a Monday morning post...

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I'll just wait until I get home and hopefully it will have picked up some steam.



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50. "I Can See This Thread Falling Apart & Getting Off Track..."
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...when you do get a chance to return to it, good posts always happend during work hours.


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7. "I think albums gotta come with them blowjobs, man"
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:o

For serious, as that recent thread and it's siblings have shown, it's the entitlement mindset and lack of any real guilt that you'd have to work to overcome. People just don't FEEL bad about it and they have various justifications ready to deploy if you question them.







Hmmmmmm.....as has been pointed out, too, this debate is well-worn, but as far as punishments go, have we decided that doesn't work? By punishment, I'm thinking less financial penalties or jail time, but more like complete internet restriction maybe? Meaning, you get caught stealing and your internet provider shuts down your internet connection. I know folks could just hop on someone else's computer and the real computer savvy cats would probably do some crazy IP address stuff lol, but for the regular person who just knows how to find links and navigate the internet could it work? 3 months restriction? 6 months?

Basically, would punishment of some type work better than compelling folks to do the right thing?

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11. "LOL w/a frown on my face."
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17. "man the ACLU would be all OVER that one, lol..."
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>Hmmmmmm.....as has been pointed out, too, this debate is
>well-worn, but as far as punishments go, have we decided that
>doesn't work? By punishment, I'm thinking less financial
>penalties or jail time, but more like complete internet
>restriction maybe? Meaning, you get caught stealing and your
>internet provider shuts down your internet connection. I know
>folks could just hop on someone else's computer and the real
>computer savvy cats would probably do some crazy IP address
>stuff lol, but for the regular person who just knows how to
>find links and navigate the internet could it work? 3 months
>restriction? 6 months?
>


They'd cry that depriving an entire household of internet service is unconstitutional.


and LOL @ the idea of a guy having to ask somebody to burn him a copy of a CD because his 'net service got shut down.


"yo...can you hit me up with that new Sade? They cut my shit off...I'll give you 5 bucks and a blank CD"

( and the irony of it all is that we'd be RIGHT back to the Bootleg Man selling CD's on the street.)


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19. "lol."
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>( and the irony of it all is that we'd be RIGHT back to the
>Bootleg Man selling CD's on the street.)

believe it or not, this cat is STILL in business. go to a barbershop. he's still got that work. he just stepped his game up.

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20. "get in where you fit in "
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needs to be the new mantra of this new music business

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22. "I'mma start fuckin with his mind..."
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>>( and the irony of it all is that we'd be RIGHT back to the
>>Bootleg Man selling CD's on the street.)
>
>believe it or not, this cat is STILL in business. go to a
>barbershop. he's still got that work. he just stepped his
>game up.


Me: "Hey dog, you got that new Shuya Okino piece? oh, and I'mma need that last 4Hero joint too. When you gettin that DJ Mitsu The Beats?"

him: *looking through his duffel bag* " I got some Trey Songz...I got Waka Flocka...YungBerg...you fuck with HIM?"

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24. "oh, I've BEEN there."
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>Me: "Hey dog, you got that new Shuya Okino piece? oh, and
>I'mma need that last 4Hero joint too. When you gettin that DJ
>Mitsu The Beats?"
>
>him: *looking through his duffel bag* " I got some Trey
>Songz...I got Waka Flocka...YungBerg...you fuck with HIM?"

Both with music AND movies.

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42. "I had a chat w/my sister in law recently"
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she's from S. Philly, the home of 'it fell off the truck.' Guys with names like Bobby Suits, or my favorite, Joey Lettuce, go door to door peddling wares after hours.

>Both with music AND movies.

Anyway, she told me not to get a copy of the new Rapunzel movie since she had one for the kids. I said 'it's not even out yet, how'm I gonna get a copy?'

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>Anyway, she told me not to get a copy of the new Rapunzel
>movie since she had one for the kids. I said 'it's not even
>out yet, how'm I gonna get a copy?'

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23. "RE: man the ACLU would be all OVER that one, lol..."
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>
>>Hmmmmmm.....as has been pointed out, too, this debate is
>>well-worn, but as far as punishments go, have we decided
>that
>>doesn't work? By punishment, I'm thinking less financial
>>penalties or jail time, but more like complete internet
>>restriction maybe? Meaning, you get caught stealing and your
>>internet provider shuts down your internet connection. I
>know
>>folks could just hop on someone else's computer and the real
>>computer savvy cats would probably do some crazy IP address
>>stuff lol, but for the regular person who just knows how to
>>find links and navigate the internet could it work? 3 months
>>restriction? 6 months?
>>
>
>
>They'd cry that depriving an entire household of internet
>service is unconstitutional.

Someone in that household broke the law on purpose, though.

If Bobby f's around and gets caught, sorry, shoulda instilled some decency and sense in your kid:

.........

"1. Don't talk to strangers
2. Look both ways before you cross the street

Etc., etc.

And THIS one, son is extremely important:

DON'T USE OUR COMPUTER TO STEAL STUFF. We'll lose the internet and I won't be able to use it for the stuff I need when your mom isn't around."


Anyways, I'm sure you're right it would be considered unconstitutional, but then my question is why is attempting to hold people accountable for stealing so hard? Why are there all these groups always ready to defend the person doing the stealing with all these fancy pants constitutional arguments? What seems lost in all this is.....THE PERSON STOLE lol!



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44. "because people don't like to be held accountable"
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>why is attempting to
>hold people accountable for stealing so hard?

and if you can hold them accountable for stealing music, you might be able to hold them accountable for lots of other laws they break regularly w/o thinking twice about it - littering, speeding, their kids' underage drinking, drug use, insurance fraud, etc. etc.

Inconvenience them on one thing, and the rest of these illegal/immoral conveniences might start to erode as well, and noone wants that.

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10. "i for one also don't think added dvds or extras help"
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especially when it's some bullshit video i can see on mtv, youtube or bet...some concert performance, or whatever

even if it's a bonus song, it ain't that enticin' when blogs put that shit up or it gets out


stop the leaks. that's really the only way.
make the only place you can get music from either amazon or itunes
or a physical store

as long as you have these file sharing and upload sites and blogs, you're gonna have some form of piracy

don't let non nary song be shared, not for educational purposes, not for nothin', cuz it's some folks that you give them an inch, they'll take that mile

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13. "as an example, i took to Google to find that new Windimoto."
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you'd be happy to know that i was unsuccessful, lol...

but i did find this great blog entry by Scorp which is precisely what this post is talking about.

i guess i'll swipe it, but this shit is long. that's what she said.




http://windimoto.com/scorpeze-blog/?p=425

The Music Industry: It's Over

First up. The music industry as we know it is a wrap.


Let’s take a moment to be honest about what is happening here.

if you are doing music in any professional capacity right now, make sure that you are doing it because you love the craft.

If you are doing music because you dream of fame and riches, do yourself a favor and stop.

If you’re a great singer and you’re gearing up for American Idol tryouts–save your energy and talent. That shit a TV show. Period. It IS NOT a singing competition.

The music industry has done itself in. The cold, hard facts of it all is that good music and musical talent count for jack shit these days. While there have ALWAYS been successful acts who are mostly style over substance in popular music, we are now in an era where marketability is the MAIN factor in getting over in the industry.

and 9 times out of 10, even THAT wont blow you up.

It doesnt matter anymore whether your music is good or if you have any talent. Even if you have the marketability, that will only get you so far.

Tastemakers run the music industry these days, both mainstream and underground. So no matter how good you are or are not, it will be for naught unless a person of influence of some sort co-signs you or takes you under their wing. Which is nothing new, but the bad part is that most of the current tastemakers are douchebags with awful taste in music and culture. More on that later.

Even if THAT happens, the public still has to buy into your hype and that, my friends, is a variable that NO ONE can control.

Now, let’s be square here. This is not coming from a place of bitterness or frustration. In no way am I tryna piss on your dreams, kids. Check out Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails, he’s a mutli platinum artist and producer, he will tell you the somewhat the same thing here.

This is just the pure, hard reality of the industry climate right now. Me personally, I’m satisfied with the way my music career is progressing. I make the music I want and it stands or falls on its own merit. Whatever mistakes are made, I take responsibility and learn from the experience. I knew what I was getting into going in. I dont harbor dreams of limos, industry parties, and pretending to be annoyed by the paparazzi. I’m not that kind of person and I dont need that kind of validation.

But there are many cats out there who do need that, and DON’T know what they’re getting into. The dreamers are still out there, and they still believe in the Cinderella fairytale.

Now what DOES concern me is how the music industry will rebuild itself. While the old industry business model had huge flaws, it still had legitimate purpose.

While the underground cats were whooping it up a cpl years ago celebrating the fall of the major label system, they were missing the big picture. When one system fails, another system must take its place. As of yet, no one has presented a BETTER business model than the one we had before. Is there one? Of course. Has it been implemented or even proposed? Shit, no. Not even close.

The internet changed the game completely. Before that, a personal computer was mostly just a trinket only useful for business, science, and educational purposes. With the advent of the internet, social networking, and inexpensive professional audio/visual technology, making a studio quality record and package has become feasible for the everyman. The personal computer quickly became a staple of everyday life and it empowered and connected the unheard masses. Independent music used to have the stigma of inferior quality and presentation because the musicians involved did not have access to the tools that the pros had.

Now you can record your album on your laptop and have it sound pristine. You dont have to worry about rushing because you dont have money for blocks of studio time. You or your graphic artist friend can put up a website and design the packaging. With a few clicks, your album can be available for sale or free download all over the world for anyone who wants it. Fuck the major labels. Sweet, right?

Wrong.

With any professional craft, there is a bar of entry. A set of requirements or skill level you must meet in order to practice said craft on a professional level. If you play sports, you must prove yourself in smaller capacities before being allowed to play professionally. The major label standard used to be that bar of entry for musicians. With the new DIY ethic in music, that bar has been far lowered if not completely obliterated. Now almost ANYONE can have a record in the marketplace.

The problem here is that we now have a glut of highly visible, commercially available, independent music of wildly varying quality. So there’s alot of wack ass music to sort through. How do you find the good stuff? The die hards say, “GET OFF YOUR LAZY ASS AND SEARCH!…”

Well, you could do that. But the thing that theyre missing is that the average person isnt that passionate about music. Sure, people LIKE music, they may even LOVE it, but its not a driving factor in their everyday lives. Teenagers may consume music voraciously, but they need music to be presented to them. The majors have that market sewed up. Adults have lives. Jobs, children, spouses, finances, career, homes, etc. Those lives cut down on the disposable income one has to go out and take a chance on buying a terrible record, or to splurge on music in general. Those lives also cut down on the time one has to devote to looking for the perfect beat.

This is why the major label system worked for so long. They have money. Lots of it. They have power and influence. The service that the major label system provided for the average music fan was this:

-Discover talented person
-Supply talented person with the best of what they needed to present their talent(studios, producers, songwriters, musicians, instruments, etc…)
-develop talented person to be presentable and understandable to the masses
-introduce talented person to the masses
-generate interest in talented person through promotion (concerts, television appearances, press, radio)

In short, the majors delivered the good shit to your doorstep…you didnt have to search for the new hot shit cuz it was on the radio, on TV, in magazines, at the local concert hall opening for your favorite artist…the poster is in the record store, the artist themselves are even in the record store…

All of that takes money and influence–which the majors have in abundance.

out of the millions of aspiring musicians, the major picked the best and brightest and said to you, “HEY! This cat is DOPE! Youre gonna love their music!…”. if you wanted a taste, all you had to do was turn on the radio or check out Ed Sullivan, or American Bandstand or Soul Train.

Now, let’s keep it one hunnid. There are many flaws and loopholes (too many to go into detail here) in that system that would allow a truly talented artist to get passed by or slip through the cracks or to allow some half-talent to blow up. But for the most part, that was a solid business model. Pick a talent, groom them, then tell the world about them.

It just so happened that the industry got extremely arrogant at the same time that the internet was coming to power. Music sales were at an all time high in the 90’s. The money was rolling in hand over fist. The majors decided to follow the money. They got rid of the record/music/creative people and hired a bunch of suits to mind the bottom line. The majors believed that they could sell water (wack ass artists) to a well (an easily manipulated herd mentality public). Two things shattered that dream. George W. Bush and Napster. With Dubya came an America that was vulnerable enough to allow 9/11 to happen, effectively ending the peace and prosperity of the Clinton era. Napster allowed listeners to not have to pay for the amazingly shitty records that the industry was pumping out. You could get the 2 or 3 jams off the albums and be done with it, saving yourself a bundle. it doesn’t help that the industry thought it was smart to eliminate singles a short time prior to the sea change in American lifestyle.

Even worse, now we face the mentality that “music is free”. Many people have become cynical to the point that they believe it is their RIGHT to get music without paying for it. They feel no shame in stealing music and do not attempt to fill the artist’s coffers in other ways. They ignore the fact that any artistic endeavors must be patronized in order to survive.

Fact: Manufacturing ANYTHING requires an investment.

Even if an artist is completely DIY, they must pay for:
-equipment/instruments
-musicians/featured guest artist appearances
-computer
-internet access
-software
-electricity
-distribution fees/expenses
-pressing CD’s and promotional materials
-living expenses (food, clothes, bills)

Snidely, these people say, “WELL, TOUR TO MAKE YOUR MONEY!”

L-O-fuckingL.

How do you tour when you cant afford to make a record? Who will book you if no one knows who you are? Who will pay for hotels, transportation, and food? Who will come to the shows???

Music is NOT free. The experience of ENJOYING MUSIC is free. The rest of it has a bill attached to it. Even going to a club to dance has a price tag.

Shit, it takes money to even LISTEN to music. You gotta get that mp3/CD player/computer from somewhere.

So. It’s over.

The majors are sitting still while everything burns down around them. Independent artists are just faces in a crowd. A really big fucking crowd.

So let’s say that you overcome these obstacles. You got records out. You play shows. You got buzz (read: co-signage from a tastemaker).

We still got that one variable. The public.

Easy, right? Give em good music and youre all set, right?

Wrong again.

Today’s 20 yr old was born in 1990. Which means that they’ve been raised listening to the rapidly devolving crud that passes for popular music all of their lives. The last musical movement of any real significance was grunge. Grunge was dead by 1995. After that, manufactured pop has dominated since then. After grunge, we got stuff like Backstreet Boys, NSYNC, Britney Spears, and the like. That same manufactured vibe permeated all other genres of popular music. Hip-Hop relinquished its underground status, sold out, and became the pop music of the early millennium. R&B went pop. Country went pop. Jazz continued it downward spiral. No one cared about art anymore. Artists and execs only cared about numbers–and because of the internet, numbers became important to listeners, too.

So back to that 20 yr old. He dictates the direction the people with the money will go in because he consumes the most music, whether he paid for it or not. The problem is he has been raised listening to garbage (and I dont mean the band of the same name). His musical tastes are horrid because they are not based on musical quality. His musical tastes are shaped by conformity, sensationalism, spectacle, tabloid culture, branding, and cult of personality. This kind of kid is the one who ends up being the aforementioned tastemaker in the industry.

You want to win over the public with your original, skilled, and heartfelt music? Good luck, my friend.

And the underground doesn’t really exist anymore. The underground value system and aesthetics are basically the same as the mainstream now. The only difference between being underground and mainstream these days is number of records sold.

As far as numbers go, right now, even your big mainstream acts are only selling a few hundred thousand, AT BEST. There are only a handful or artists seeing platinum.

here are some figures from a recent Soundscan chart:

1 BOYLE*SUSAN I DREAMED A DREAM 136,566 -73 510,166 3,103,828
2 LADY GAGA FAME 82,148 -51 168,568 2,387,666
3 KEYS*ALICIA ELEMENT OF FREEDOM 79,801 -71 279,584 779,093
4 BLIGE*MARY J. STRONGER 62,181 -81 330,354 394,005
5 SWIFT*TAYLOR FEARLESS 59,701 -73 224,270 5,329,167
6 BIEBER*JUSTIN MY WORLD 51,837 -67 156,789 727,914

8 BLACK EYED PEAS E.N.D. (ENERGY NEVER DIES) 47,190 -55 104,050 1,786,825
9 LADY GAGA FAME MONSTER (8 TRK) 44,212 -62 115,482 570,475

11 GLEE CAST GLEE: THE MUSIC, V2 43,791 -57 101,920 429,206
12 YOUNG MONEY WE ARE YOUNG MONEY 43,195 -70 142,118 185,696
13 EMINEM RELAPSE 40,862 -68 127,625 1,735,358
14 RIHANNA RATED R 39,571 -56 90,727 498,595
15 BUBLE*MICHAEL CRAZY LOVE 35,021 -74 136,628 1,222,070
16 VARIOUS NOW 32 34,547 -63 93,133 674,654
17 UNDERWOOD*CARRIE PLAY ON 33,501 -78 152,873 1,183,086
18 GLEE CAST GLEE: THE MUSIC V1 32,105 -64 88,865 641,933
19 MAYER*JOHN BATTLE STUDIES 31,826 -65 90,342 698,068
20 LADY ANTEBELLUM LADY ANTEBELLUM 26,810 -68 83,874 1,351,745
21 THICKE*ROBIN SEX THERAPY: THE EXPERIENCE 25,820 -58 60,828 209,824
22 JACKSON*MICHAEL MICHAEL JACKSON’S THIS IS IT 25,254 -77 108,776 1,287,045
23 JAY-Z BLUEPRINT 3 24,830 -58 58,730 1,514,758
24 KINGS OF LEON ONLY BY THE NIGHT 22,794 -47 43,164 1,708,713
25 BROWN*ZAC BAND FOUNDATION 20,953 -66 62,264 1,456,148

27 NEW MOON (TWILIGHT) SOUNDTRACK 20,393 -76 83,491 964,575

30 JONES*NORAH FALL 19,525 -77 86,260 629,450

33 JACKSON*MICHAEL NUMBER ONES 17,958 -70 58,923 4,063,578
34 BOCELLI*ANDREA MY CHRISTMAS 17,768 -94 283,683 2,207,202
35 GUCCI MANE STATE VS. RADRIC DAVIS 17,704 -58 42,176 191,076
36 LAMBERT*ADAM FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT 17,236 -72 61,683 433,834
37 BROWN*CHRIS GRAFFITI 16,903 -72 60,364 232,908

40 SWIFT*TAYLOR TAYLOR SWIFT 15,858 -65 45,935 4,622,024
41 BEYONCE I AM…SASHA FIERCE 15,321 -56 35,184 2,658,822
42 50 CENT BEFORE I SELF-DESTRUCT 15,266 -47 28,950 349,153
43 SONGZ*TREY READY 15,130 -45 27,333 438,434
44 RUCKER*DARIUS LEARN TO LIVE 14,785 -70 49,586 1,240,902
45 CYRUS*MILEY TIME OF OUR LIVES EP 14,690 -78 67,653 1,212,336
46 NICKELBACK DARK HORSE 14,685 -59 35,456 2,533,617

So yeah, man. Its over. At least the way that we know it.

However, there is SOME hope. That hope lies in the ability of someone, whomever that may be, to promote GOOD music (there’s TONS of good music out there going completely unnoticed) again and creating a new retail model to make that good music attractive again. Promoting bad music is how we got here in the first place. That is how we lost the listener’s trust and good faith. Retail and industry would have to come together to make that good music affordable, interactive, and widely available.

The prices have to come down, point blank. CDs should be $5 dollars instead of $10 (it can happen…rmbr in the 90’s when CDs were $15?) and even LESS for digital copies (I’d say $3).

Digital copies need to have downloadable artwork, liner notes, and interactive content. Like what we did with Sinister Beauty, even though we may not have been the first to do that (*pops collar*, and I see some folks have followed suit).

People like vinyl for various reasons. So the industry is smart in bringing it back, but the prices need to come down on that, too. I’d say $10–$12 max.

Record stores are gone, but they need to come back. I suggest the mainstream/corporate stores carry ONLY the Soundscan top 200 and the top 20 in other genres(jazz, latin, dance, country, etc.). That way, they can have better control of inventory and returns. These mainstream stores should offer to special order ANYTHING that is commercially available. They should also sell any digital music that is available. There should be a checkout station for digital music where a customer can tell a cashier what they want, pay for it, then have the cashier upload the purchase to a reusable download card or USB that will allow the consumer to put the music and content(liners, pictures, etc.) on their computer OR have the content uploaded to their listening device right then and there if they choose. Even better, buy a digital album in the store and send it to any email address you choose.

There should be small specialty stores for mainstream and underground records in specific genres/niches. A store that does only metal, a store for only country, a store for only jazz, hip-hop, dance, etc…These store should carry the vinyl for the top selling releases and of course, do special orders. Diggin spots (aka used record stores) should handle mostly catalogue stuff, thus driving up traffic for them because the Top 200 stores wont have that inventory. This saves consumers the headache not knowing where to go for what they want and saves store owners from deciding what to stock. Again, both the mainstream and specialty stores need to be JUST big enough to fit shoppers and inventory comfortably. The only stores with size should be the diggin/catalogue stores. No more mega stores–too much overhead.

People will never tire of the hands on shopping experience. Its in the human nature to look and touch. So bringing record stores back in a SMART way can only help.

We need record people (aka A&R) again (see my next blog) on both a mainstream and underground level. Those label people who will seek out the good shit at shows, parties, online, and through submissions to sign, DEVELOP, and thoroughly promote artists that have the potential to build a long lasting career.

Its going to take people with vision, loot, and courage to make it happen…and I think it will happen.

I dont have all the answers, but I do believe these are starts to a new and successful industry model. Don’t completely destroy the old model, just modify it and eliminate the parts that don’t work.

Until then, people, all we can do is stop living by the old ways, stop believing in fairy tales, keep grinding, and continue to make, BUY, and spread the word about the best music we can.

I look forward to your comments.

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36. "Solid ideas"
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Only thing I don't agree with 100% is separating music completely like that.

With your plan, you're making a guy who likes metal and hip hop make more than one stop in order to shop for music. I agree stores like Best Buy should only have mainstream, top 200 stuff, but record stores and your everyday mom n pop spots should have everything else, not genre specific. However, if you want to go another level and also have genre specific stores as well, than that would work. You would just have to sell more than just music at these spots.

When I was living in Boston for school I would hit up Underground Hip Hop regularly. But when I was there I could buy music, magazines, clothing, etc. While all genre specific (underground hip hop), I don't think it could get away with just selling CDs.

Good post though, man.

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122. "i can't take credit for that, it's Scorpion's plan."
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>Only thing I don't agree with 100% is separating music
>completely like that.
>
>With your plan, you're making a guy who likes metal and hip
>hop make more than one stop in order to shop for music. I
>agree stores like Best Buy should only have mainstream, top
>200 stuff, but record stores and your everyday mom n pop spots
>should have everything else, not genre specific. However, if
>you want to go another level and also have genre specific
>stores as well, than that would work. You would just have to
>sell more than just music at these spots.
>
>When I was living in Boston for school I would hit up
>Underground Hip Hop regularly. But when I was there I could
>buy music, magazines, clothing, etc. While all genre specific
>(underground hip hop), I don't think it could get away with
>just selling CDs.
>
>Good post though, man.
>
>*thumbs up*

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26. "slow down internet connection speeds...that's all."
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51. "People were downloading on dialup, that won't help."
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54. "Bootlegging will never stop, but it'll slow down"
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Ppl will have to put time and thought into their craft...and consumers might actually go out and buy music cuz they don't have time to sit around n DL/bootleg music

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27. "My 2 Cents"
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1. The album as an event: Labels/artists need to make album releases feel special. Not necessarily a big expensive event but something special that fans care about and want to be involved in. That could be bonus footage of the album making process, rehearsals, live performances, etc as a regular part of CD releases. Chuck D does a good job of that with PE's new releases and I think it's a step in the right direction and would be even more effective with up and coming artists.

2. Label/Artist Culture: Labels/artists should focus more on the culture around the artist and the team releasing the music. The music industry is still a big mystery to a lot of the average record buying public and I think that artists and labels who have a strong image and culture about them are the ones that are doing well. The perception that a lot of people have about the music biz is that it's being run by a bunch of suits who don't care about fans, artists or the music...they just want to get paid. I think when fans believe that a label or artist is looking for more than just a check they feel a part of the process and not just like a customer.

3. Better live shows: Way too many artists of all genres have shitty live shows. That's completely unacceptable. Before any artist releases a full length album they should have their live performances up to a certain standard. Way too many times I've seen artists with hit songs or hit albums that have never performed in front of a live audience.

4. Revenue Sharing: This is my Packers model that I know would never happen. I think any label that starts up should truly be invested in whatever community it's based in and the people of that community should be minority shareholders of the label so that they actually benefit from the success of the labels and the artists. Even if it's a minuscule amount of money or discounts on tickets when the artists come to town the point would be that people who live in a community would be involved in the art and commerce that's created in their community and I think would have great results. This should also include the artist who are signed to the label so that they benefit from the success of the label as well. Once they are dropped then they lose their shares just like any other employee.

5. Radio accountability: Radio is still a major way that many people in this country hear music and it plays a major role in how labels and artists get their music to the public. People need to demand more from their radio stations. More local stations that play local as well as national talent are needed. If I'm in Cleveland I want to know that I'm in Cleveland and hear some of those local artists thrown in the mix with the major artists that are getting play nationwide.

  

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48. "on the contrary, I think emphasis on the single needs to return"
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>1. The album as an event: Labels/artists need to make album
>releases feel special.

1. THe problem with downloading isn't necessarily downloading singles, it's albums.

2. The album's time has come and gone anyway. Which sells more on itunes, amazon etc: digital singles, or digital full albums? (that's a legitimate question a quick Google couldn't find an answer to; if anyone knows please say.)

3. Contributing to that: General consensus is that albums have become bloated; how many 'what do you skip on ___?' posts have there been here over the years? Why would people pay for complete albums if they're going to skip songs?

4. $.99 for a song - it's easier to overlook the cost versus $10 for an album, so if cost is a major consideration in fighting piracy, then keeping costs as low as possible - even if it means breaking projects up into singles - could conceivably lessen the impact of illegal downloads.


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56. "I can live with singles, but only in certain genres."
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with Dance music? Sure no problem. But if I'm armchair mode listening to Jazz, Reggae ( specifically Roots & Culture), or Rock, etc. I'd rather have a full length in hand.

Certain Genres lend themselves to a singles market, but some styles of music are better in an album format.



and seriously, is it SOOOOOO hard to sit through an album? People brag about how many hours of music they have on their portable devices and then cry about how hard it is to sit still for 75 minutes....



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106. "Primarily, I'm talking about a business perspective"
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>with Dance music? Sure no problem. But if I'm armchair mode
>listening to Jazz, Reggae ( specifically Roots & Culture), or
>Rock, etc. I'd rather have a full length in hand.

That's fine. Full lengths existed when singles were king, there's no reason for them not to exist right now. And since it's a business perspective, we're talking about *pop* music... And the genres you mention are (at least in the US) are outside the pop music market. So while they've doubtlessly been affected by piracy, it's most likely (I have no firm figures or anything) to the same extent.

>Certain Genres lend themselves to a singles market, but some
>styles of music are better in an album format.

Yeah, but jazz styles and roots reggae are not really an issue here.

>and seriously, is it SOOOOOO hard to sit through an album?

no, but the ADD that instant (and free) availability has brought with it may make it so for much of the younger generation. I don't know firsthand.

>People brag about how many hours of music they have on their
>portable devices and then cry about how hard it is to sit
>still for 75 minutes....

I think you're looking at it in too much of a music snob way... I think it's important to remember that Lessonaires are not the average music listener.

From a historical perspective, you can say that technology definitely affects the preferred listening format. Obviously until LPs came on the scene in the late 1940s, 78s and 45s dominated... but even after LPs became available, it took 20 years before they outsold singles.

And in vinyl/cassette days, a 30 minute album was short, but perfectly acceptable; a double album was rare but still didn't usually make 80 minutes. But with 80 minute capability on a CD, albums got bloated, no doubt, but people then felt cheated if the album was 'short.' So technology drove the bloating, and people responded favorably, even if it meant they were skipping skits or filler material.

Now the pop fan perceives himself as freed from the constraints that the previous technological advances had blessed him with. Consider it a reaction.

Next thing: the way I view the increasing detachment from the importance of the album is like... radio stations. Radio stations have NEVER played albums straight through (except as specials), and most radio listeners are very comfortable with that and many prefer it that way ('I like to mix it up, not listen to the same hting all the time,' no matter how accurate that statement may be for a fan of commercial or these days even most PRI music stations.) Now they basically have the opportunity to craft their own personal radio station.

It's hard to understand how this HASN'T been an economic opportunity for the singles market for more people than iTunes. And a continuing insistence on albums - while great for musicophiliacs, underground/niche genres and reissues - simply doesn't make sense.

My apologies if this seems a bit scattered - lot on my plate @ work today...

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28. "Let's Fix The Radio & Television Airwaves "
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I still think the problem why so much crap has gotten popular is cause of big brother & sister controlling what gets play instead of independent radio stations and tv stations that air music videos don't decide what can & should get play instead of being told or controlled by a giant corporation that uses the airwaves as their marketing lifestyle pushers.

Remember when a radio jock & djs had their own playlists, remember when each radio station played music that didn't play the exact same thing as another station even though they both geared the station towards the same genre of music (two pop stations wasn't alike, two r&b/urban stations wasn't alike, two rock stations wasn't alike, & so on) and remember when BET didn't play what MTV played or what VH1 showed & some cities had local music video stations well not anymore.


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29. "what's wrong w/it?"
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as a consumer i love it!

i have access to more music than ever. at the best prices ever. i have more playback options than ever.

fix what?

fuck you.

  

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30. "Link to a long read with an interesting answer(s)"
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31. "Another link with visualizations of what went wrong"
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Think about it.
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33. "when yall reach a consensus can some1 email me?"
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34. "TV and radio model : free content, the money come from adds/taxes"
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What I was talking about in the other thread :

There are those websites where entire albums are LEGALLY streaming for free and for an unlimited ammount of time. I use 2 of them : Spotify and Deezer. You don't have to pay anything to have access to all of those albums at home, you don't even have to sign in for free ... But if you want to have access to HQ sound and if you don't want to hear the adds it's $7. If you want those advantages and you also want to be able to use it on a portable device like a smartphone (and listen to all the music in the world anytime) you have to pay like 10 euros/ month ($15).

To be specific, on Deezer you have access to 3 700 000 songs (from majors and indie artists) for at most $15 / months, which means a single song tend to be free when the catalog get bigger(the virtual price of a song is now : 0.000004 cent / virtual price of an album : 0.00004 cent).

Of course labels get paid by those websites. Major labels get paid like 5 millions $ (for the rights) + 1.5 cent each time somebody plays one of their song. Of course the platform's revenues come from advertisement (like TV).

I actually think it would be healthy if music worked with the same economic model than TV. It would be great if an artist could make a direct deal with those platform where the consumer can legally listen to music without having to pay for it. That could a good alternative source of income. Im not saying it's realistic, Im just throwing a couple of thoughts.

It would be cool if the album could work like a promo card for the artist's shows. Once you get the album you can use the bar code or the mobil tag to get 5%/10% (or more) reduction to the artist show and other items.

Other cool thing : what if the CD was a pass to access some intimate show that the artist would put on just to celebrate the release of the album ? I know it sounds hard to realize but you don't need to put on a big show, just come with a guitar or synth, sing that shit, talk with the listeners and call it a day.

As for punishment, Im against pretty much everything that has been debated in France. Financial punishment / jail punishment ? Disproportionate. Complete Internet restriction ? NO WAY, more costs than benefits. It would be more efficient to institute a 10 cent tax on every Internet connection and redistribute that money. Those punishments are too harsh to be applied on a large scale anyway ...

  

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113. "What I meant is : people want free music ? give them free music"
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And use the platform to make money from adds. Those who still want to buy will buy and those that want it for free will legaly have it for free while generating some kind of incomes for the labels and the artists.

People feel like the entitled to have free music ? Then be it, tax every internet connection (and redistribute that money) and people will be entitled to download music for free.

You still want to sell physical content ? Make it special, make your CD a loyalty card, make it be some promo card for your show and your othem items. Make it an invitation card for your release party.

You want the release of your album to have some kind of impact ? Then make it special, go out there, make it a real event and communicate with those who bought that shit.

  

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116. "expand a bit on this..."
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>You still want to sell physical content ? Make it special,
>make your CD a loyalty card, make it be some promo card for
>your show and your othem items. Make it an invitation card for
>your release party.

How do you see this being done?

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35. "1. face reality and stop trying to sell recorded music"
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2. think of other ways to make money as an artist other than selling recorded music.

3. see what works for you.

4. blog/post on OKP about it.

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37. "Let the net surfer / listener produce your album ! "
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For the new artists that wants to put an album out in those hard times. Here is a new thing that has worked a couple of times already.

In France we also have this website called MyMajorCompany. Basically, you upload some of your music on MyMajorCompany, and we(listeners)decide if we want to put money or not on you (we produce you and get a share of the rights of your album). Once you reach $100 000 MyMajorCompany put your album out. One of the first artist to be produced this way in France has been certified diamond. MyMajorCompany has already helped to produce 30 new artists.

Do you have those community labels in USA ? That could be a good way to find the money to get your album out if you're talented.

  

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38. "Basically it's Kickstarter meets American Idol."
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I don't like it at all.

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39. "It's more like 'the listener become the shareholder' "
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The community label will make all the promo stuff for you. Those listeners who put some money to buy the rights will do great promo too because they are literally interested in your success.

It's not a game changing model but if it can help 100 artists that couldn't make it in traditional way then it would be a good thing.

I just gave kickstarter a quick look, the difference is : the funder does own a share of the rights on MyMajorlabel. I don't see how it relates to American Idol though.

According to you, what is wrong with this model ?

  

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40. "I don't like art by consensus/committee."
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Perhaps that's not exactly what this model represents, but it feels uncomfortably close to it for me...

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45. "but isn't that how the record industry is run now?"
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except the committee is dwindled down to a some a&rs and suits?

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46. "yeah, but they are 'specialists'... 'insiders'"
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and even then, you already have artists chafing under their input and control.

Now let's fling the gates wide open to let a thousands cooks into the kitchen and see what happens... it just doesn't bode well in my mind. I can't conceive of any courageous or original artistic statement coming out of that.

Which is why I compared it to American Idol...

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49. "With a lower limit, edgy artists would be able to "
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profite of this system. Original and courageous artists have actually won those king of music contests(at least here).

>Now let's fling the gates wide open to let a thousands cooks
>into the kitchen and see what happens... it just doesn't bode
>well in my mind. I can't conceive of any courageous or
>original artistic statement coming out of that.

  

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58. "I can't imagine ever doing that."
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Personally, I don't think I'd be willing to let other people tell my story for me.

I suppose it's the same as remixing, but aside from it being an actual remix, I don't see myself doing this.


Sure, you can remix my shit to death. I got no problem. But to let the fans work on the ORIGINAL material? What's the point of you calling it your album?


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60. "I don't think he means 'produce' in the technical sense."
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More the "executive" sense.

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62. "ah...so, they'd pick the 'best' shit from the raw material."
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etc?

and by "raw material" I mean, the artist would submit like 20 tracks, and the fans would trim it down to the "best" 10 for the release, right?

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64. "Something like that, I guess"
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They'd also donate the financing... and probably recommend artistic direction. Like if you submitted 20 songs and they hear 3 that they're feeling, they might tell you to scrap the other 17 and make some more stuff that sounds like *that*

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65. "yeah...nah."
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> Like if you submitted 20 songs and they
>hear 3 that they're feeling, they might tell you to scrap the
>other 17 and make some more stuff that sounds like *that*


*sticks to outdated Asshole Musician method of creating and releasing music*


We'd have 3000 artists all doing the EXACT same thing on EVERY release...

Can you imagine how much WORSE the AutoTune trend would've been?


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66. "yeah, that's how I feel."
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I've heard people suggesting this model as far back as 10 years ago, saying it's the most effective because "the people tell you exactly what they want."

No disrespect to the people, but I don't believe they truly know what they really like until they hear it... most of the time, if you ask them what they like, they can only tell you something that sounds like some other shit out there.

I just don't see any next-level, mindblowing music resulting from such an arrangement. But like Coco la Chappelle said, it's not going to be a model for everyone... it can work for some musicians who are already committed to the middle of the road, though (eg Black Eyed Peas lol)

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67. "It would extend some careers...and totally scuttle others."
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>I just don't see any next-level, mindblowing music resulting
>from such an arrangement. But like Coco la Chappelle said,
>it's not going to be a model for everyone... it can work for
>some musicians who are already committed to the middle of the
>road, though (eg Black Eyed Peas lol)


Exactly. People who make cookie cutter music might squeeze a few more formulaic hits out, but other people might get caught up in "giving the people what they want"


Think of all the bone-headed collaborations people cook up around here.


"you know what would be dope? Flying Lotus and Englebert Humperdink*!!!!!"




*- and I'm pretty sure a lot of these people thought Chris Cornell and Timbaland would be a good idea.

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68. "seriously... it could be dangerous in the wrong hands."
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>Think of all the bone-headed collaborations people cook up
>around here.
>
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>"you know what would be dope? Flying Lotus and Englebert
>Humperdink*!!!!!"
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>*- and I'm pretty sure a lot of these people thought Chris
>Cornell and Timbaland would be a good idea.
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102. "Those Mash-Up Producer/Remix Albums Are Getting Out Of Hand"
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>Think of all the bone-headed collaborations people
>cook up around here. "you know what would be dope?
>Flying Lotus and Englebert Humperdink*!!!!!"

When I started seeing stuff like a producer sampling nothing but Bob Dylan and making a bunch of donut-esque productions then putting acappellas of some artist like Al Green or rapper like Jay-Z over those beats, that's when I realized that the whole idea of it was getting out of hand especially when people be liking it so much, smh.
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>*- and I'm pretty sure a lot of these people thought
>Chris Cornell and Timbaland would be a good idea.

Wow, was that a real collaboration on one of the last Timbaland albums, ?


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104. "funders don't get to choose wich artistic direction you're going to take"
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They put their money on you if they feel your music / feel that you deserve a chance / feel that you could be successful. They get some of your rights depending on how much money they put on you but they don't get to tell you to put this or this on your album. The only artistic choice they can influence is the choice of the single, the choice of the cover. But yet, they just tell you what they prefer ... that's it, they don't have the last word.

The artist don't have to support the cost of his music, he gets an advance + 20% of each album sales.

Of course not evrybody can make it that way, but what do you risk ?

  

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105. "oh ok... that's different then, I guess."
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47. "This is a question for the average consumers"
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not tunnelvisioned music nerds.

SoWhat and nublax are thinking straight.

Trying to sell recorded music is now a laughable venture. There are other revenue streams. Give the people what they want...MUSIC...and easy access to it.

  

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59. "they have that now. "
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>Give the people what they
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73. "its still kinda hard. not centralized. "
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new music discovery is also limited to the under 30 crowd.

if we used the available technology to streamline a music source for a wider demo...you'll have more ears listening to shit they woulda never been exposed to otherwise.

  

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52. "Multiple Media Packages"
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It's never going back to what it once was but I think sales could be bolstered by packaging music media that is desirable to collectors as well as casual fans. Vinyl jackets that have sleeves for a CD/DVD as well as download codes for digital copies of the songs would be attractive especially around Christmas time. You would have to market new turn-tables as well... something that could run off both wall outlets and USB seems like the way to go.

Of course this still comes back to it being music you care enough about to want to own.
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63. "I like the idea, BUT...."
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>It's never going back to what it once was but I think sales
>could be bolstered by packaging music media that is desirable
>to collectors as well as casual fans. Vinyl jackets that have
>sleeves for a CD/DVD as well as download codes for digital
>copies of the songs would be attractive especially around
>Christmas time. You would have to market new turn-tables as
>well... something that could run off both wall outlets and USB
>seems like the way to go.
>

if we can't get people to pay for MP3's, what would make them pony up for vinyl AND these new turntables? Even in it's finest hour, vinyl was pretty damned pricey. Which is why pawn shops are always chock full of Technics. It costs a LOT to collect wax.



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71. "Yeah costs would have to be controlled"
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But I'd contend the reason people don't pay for MP3s in greater number is because they don't really value what they're being asked to pay for. Anything that's free long enough loses value. Give them something that looks and feels real and can't be copped of free and I bet a greater % will pay for it.
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72. "I do NOT pay for mp3s."
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It makes no sense to me.

I've done it a few times when it was the only format the album was being offered in and I explicitly wanted to "support the artist."

(Btw, I HATE that phrase "support the artist"... I find it extremely counterproductive)

And of course, I suffered a hard drive crash and lost all the music I had bought...

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75. "I have no problem with it...."
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shit, there's a TON of House shit that isn't available anywhere other than digital outlets. So if I want some heat, I'll buy it. The way I see it, it's probably easier than beggin' for it. Because I HATE setting out shit that I've bought or asking people for the same. Especially to people who refuse to buy shit themselves. So I look at it like, "I bought it, why can't you?"

Naturally, people hit me with promos of their own shit, so I'm more apt to trade with THOSE cats. But as far as just putting shit "out there"? nah...







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103. "A Lot Of New Rock Vinyl Releases Come With Download Codes And..."
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...some even come with the actual cd inside but this is still a new idea to some labels and isn't done by all not even half, it's just certain rock/acoustic artists on major & indi labels that are doing this when it's the pop & rap artists that need to be doing it but they're still on that "regular" & "limited edition" & sometimes the "exclusive cd that can be only found at a certain big box store" discs idea which is the main reason why real record stores have been going out of business.

I've been saying this for mad years when labels started adding bonus tracks on cds back in the late 90's but not on the vinyl, if you're not going to include these songs on the vinyl (especially when you're paying regular price for vinyl & with vinyl usually costing $18 to $25) then the labels should at least package a cd in the vinyl that has the bonus songs on it.

Anyway, I wouldn't mind paying $15 to $25 for the vinyl version of an album if it came with a copy of the cd inside as well; just think if the cd comes along with the vinyl inside a simple paper sleeve then they can't sell just the cd to a used music store cause it wouldn't come in a jewel case or have the booklet or backcover which would mean less used copies available for people to purchase which would up the sales on new copies being sold.


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53. "follow the lead of bottled water manufacturers."
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they somehow manage to sell us something we can all get for free.

how'd they do it?

well, they had an advantage in that many ppl have reason to believe their freely available water is tainted or otherwise substandard. yeah, i know free mp3s can have sound quality issues, but they don't sound bad enough that the avg consumer (myself included) will turn them down to go pay for a better quality mp3 or some other format. so that's not the way.

but maybe there's something there. maybe not.

who else sells a product that's otherwise widely available for free?

fuck you.

  

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55. "water is necessary for health..mp3s? not so much"
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it's probably the angle that our bottled water is clean where as faucet or sink water isn't as clean as our product

i can see an analogy is you wanted to compare fidelity, but like you said, the average consumer ain't carin' about that, only audiophiles

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107. "follow this to the extreme- 'taint' the mp3"
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and not in a 'sound quality' way- big companies & manufacs collude to deploy virus laden mp3s that eff up everybody's computer and media device. this does one or possibly two of 2 things:

1- people have to buy more stuff (replace virus laden devices, music from 'clean' sources, new antivirus suites, etc.); and/or

2- the destruction of internet-connected computing.

yeah it could spin out of control and really fook everything up- but making the mp3 toxic would be a 'do-over', no?


RE: water is necessary for health..mp3s? not so much
>it's probably the angle that our bottled water is clean where
>as faucet or sink water isn't as clean as our product
>
>i can see an analogy is you wanted to compare fidelity, but
>like you said, the average consumer ain't carin' about that,
>only audiophiles
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69. "i think a lot of people are forgetting that"
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in this industry most artists never survived off record sales alone.

just a thought.

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70. "They never survived off record sales alone"
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but it was a part of it... and as has been a couple of times (in the other post, at least), record sales feed your touring because it's hard to get booked at venues if you can't show sales to demonstrate that you actually do have an audience.

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74. "that doesn't require you sell millions anymore"
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youtube hits are more valuable than record sales these days.

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76. "But still, no audience = no tour date."
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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78. "what makes yall think there will be no audience??"
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how do you think artists who arent' signed but do shows consistently
are doing?
i missed the part where lil b sold a million records
how did the odd future kids get on jimmy kimmel they sold mad records? i missed that?

some of you need to step into the now
people are doing shows and getting paid consistantly and you might have never heard of them in your life.
believe that.
and there are artists you keep hearing about who have never sold a massive amount of records but have people at their show singing their songs every time!

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80. "Ain't Lil B a Soulja Boy affiliate?"
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>i missed the part where lil b sold a million records

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83. "same soulja boy whose album supposedly flopped?"
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soulja boy ain't selling records. lil b fans aren't necessarily soulja boy fans either. as you can see by the way people on these boards react to him. they weren't going around shouting out soulja boy quotes but they love this kid.

but the i'm starting to feel like the 'in depth discussion' around here is nothing more than semantical gymnastics for niggas. i make points and people go in on weird shit to avoid the point i'm making.

the point is these kids aren't selling millions of records but they get shows and have huge followings. there are independent artists across this country making a decent living off of music. no they're not making
millions of dollars and they're not ever going to see michael jackson numbers but no one ever will again because the industry as we once knew it is dead.

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77. "I hope you don't really believe that shit..."
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>youtube hits are more valuable than record sales these days.


PLEASE tell me you don't believe that shit.


Now, I'll grant you that you might gain some buzz. But don't think that shit carries more weight to a booking agent. They wanna see hard numbers.





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81. "dude there are people with followings who do this shit everyday"
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yall might be talking about making millions off money
where as i'm talking about making a living
the days of being a super rockstar and trashing the hotel rooms etc is over unless you fuck with a major
if you want to make a living off your music it is very possible in these times
and if you think youtube hits can't get you no where you are a lot older in your thinking than i thought.

have you ever heard of justin bieber? found on youtube.
have you ever heard of soulja boy? found on youtube.
ever heard of lil b? based god? gathered his following on youtube.
odd future wolf gang? before the jimmy kimmel shit when have you
seen them on tv or heard them on radio?
how many people show up to their shows? oh yes they have shows! and they have sold how many albums? exactly. come on yall.

it's like yall WANT to hold on to the old fucked up industry. yall can keep that shit seriously.

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82. "While I believe you have a point, you're mixing metaphors."
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>have you ever heard of justin bieber? found on youtube.
>have you ever heard of soulja boy? found on youtube.

They were FOUND on YouTube... but SIGNED by majors.

It's not like Bieber books arenas and gets major motion pictures based off of his YouTube views.

I think you have a legit example in OFWGKTA, though... I don't know what size of shows they've been doing but I've always enjoyed their YouTube videos.

But let's not forget that they got on Fallon, not Kimmel... Fallon is a very different kind of late-night show than any other, because right from day one it has been very web-focused. Letterman is not gonna book anybody because they're blowing up the blogs.

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84. "but the argument was youtube doesn't matter"
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my statement was youtube is more valuable than record sales.

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88. "Nobody said YouTube doesn't matter."
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Just that 9 times out of 10 it won't really play a factor in you booking a venue.

Of course (as you have illustrated) there have been exceptions.

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91. "whe did I say it doesn't matter?"
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>my statement was youtube is more valuable than record sales.
>


and my reply to that statement was "don't believe that shit". Sure it can get you noticed. But don't think you're gonna fill concert halls and get A-list bookings STRICTLY from YouTube views.

My point is, no matter WHAT you think, you're still gonna need something to convince promoters that you can fill a venue. and 99 times out of 100 they're gonna want some sales numbers. So no. YouTube is NOT more valuable than record sales. ( and what do you mean by 'valuable', by the way?)

no matter WHERE you fall on this scale, bottom line, selling records is what every artist needs to do to stay viable.


No you don't have to go multi-platinum. But you're not gonna stay in the game based solely on your YouTube views. It might be a stepping stone to some OTHER shit, but you better move some units in the process...




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101. "if you gotta prove it but youtube views comes out to a lotta proof"
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on the news today gma and other outlets a video of a baby laughing at a piece of paper being ripped was played
why? because it had millions of hits. why? who knows why people watch shit on the internet but that was enough to get that family on tv.
babies laugh at weird shit every day and that shit made it to tv lol

now apply that to music
there were posts about soulja boy a whole year before his video for his first single super man or whatever it was called came out.
he was discovered by some folks with money but even they weren't a 'major' label and they finagled a distribution deal with interscope records
his last album is considered a flop yet he has no shortage of fans
and i'm pretty sure he makes money off youtube hits
so even when his album "only" sells in the thousands he makes
money every time he cracks a joke on youtube and a his fans watch the shit a million times (even if he doesn't have a million fans they're making him money just by being his fan)

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79. "just as I hit 'send' on my last reply to you"
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A little "news" item came up on TV about the Twitter beef between Rihanna and Ciara. Here's the summary:

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b228211_es_ground_zero_rihanna-ciara_twitter.html

I don't know why it's funny to me that RiRi went at CiCi's jugular that way, targeting the fact that despite the fact that she's got 3 million views on YouTube for her stripper aerobics videos, she can't book a stage because she ain't sell jack...

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85. "lol but see her problem is she's aiming too high @ ciara"
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you don't think a nigga like ginuwine gets shows? and whens the last time you seen him on a television? exactly.

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89. "LOL"
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>you don't think a nigga like ginuwine gets shows? and whens
>the last time you seen him on a television? exactly.
>
>

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86. "RE: They never survived off record sales alone"
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>but it was a part of it... and as has been a couple of times
>(in the other post, at least), record sales feed your touring
>because it's hard to get booked at venues if you can't show
>sales to demonstrate that you actually do have an audience.

people keep mentioning this, but from what I've seen sales aren't really what get you shows if you just want to hop on some bills. you think a lot of these indie/punk/altermative artists are moving a lot of units? yet, they stay doing tours.

to me getting shows (not necessarily headling the Hollywood Palladium) is more about knowing the right artists who are just a tad more popular than you, having a super connected booking agent, or just slowly creating your owm hype/buzz.

anyone relying heavily on record sales to base a decision on anything in 2011 is hella naive.

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87. "exactly. "
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the era where artists get signed and get treated like kings/queens
is basically done but you can WORK as a musician/artist these days
it's very possible you just have to have a solid following.

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90. "true."
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> to me getting shows (not necessarily headling the Hollywood
>Palladium) is more about knowing the right artists who are
>just a tad more popular than you, having a super connected
>booking agent, or just slowly creating your owm hype/buzz.

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92. "and why might this be the case?"
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>people keep mentioning this, but from what I've seen sales
>aren't really what get you shows if you just want to hop on
>some bills. you think a lot of these indie/punk/altermative
>artists are moving a lot of units? yet, they stay doing tours.
>

agreed. But you're JOINING a tour. as a support act.


>
> to me getting shows (not necessarily headling the Hollywood
>Palladium) is more about knowing the right artists who are
>just a tad more popular than you, having a super connected
>booking agent, or just slowly creating your owm hype/buzz.

why might they be more popular? and what gets an agent connected?

maybe they sell a lot of music, which in turn gets them more gigs? just a thought...




>
>anyone relying heavily on record sales to base a decision on
>anything in 2011 is hella naive.
>

We're not arguing against it. But you guys are acting like you don't need to sell any music to get other shit in motion, and that's simply not true.


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93. "what's wrong with joining a tour? "
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not every musician or act is gonna be the top act in the world
'get in where you fit in'

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94. "nothing at all. I'd do it in a second."
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99. "RE: and why might this be the case?"
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>
>>people keep mentioning this, but from what I've seen sales
>>aren't really what get you shows if you just want to hop on
>>some bills. you think a lot of these indie/punk/altermative
>>artists are moving a lot of units? yet, they stay doing
>tours.
>>
>
>agreed. But you're JOINING a tour. as a support act.

so, top billing is the only way? who starts a career as a headliner?

>> to me getting shows (not necessarily headling the Hollywood
>>Palladium) is more about knowing the right artists who are
>>just a tad more popular than you, having a super connected
>>booking agent, or just slowly creating your owm hype/buzz.
>
>why might they be more popular? and what gets an agent
>connected?

because they've been touring/making music/around longer, maybe? or they have a bigger buzz? there's countless instances of Bigger Artist X handpicking Unknown/New Artist Z for a tour show. not a new concept.

>
>maybe they sell a lot of music, which in turn gets them more
>gigs? just a thought..

you seem to be overly focused on lamenting changes in the industry instead of focusing on a way to make something pop off under current, undeniable, irreversible conditions.

accept the challenge, come up with a new way, share it with others.

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95. "all arguing aside, let me say this:"
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I like all the different viewpoints and how everybody is passionate about what they're saying. Except a few "too cool to participate" dickheads...


Anyway, If we're not careful, this might turn into an In-Depth Music discussion.



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97. "you keep me on my toes...I'll give you that."
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But if you call me "old" ONE MO Time, I'm takin a belt to your ass...



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that shit works wonders...


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fine ideas presented in here.

Jordan!

  

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109. "People going hard on Mwasi's Youtube comment, but she's right"
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Im laughing at how we still can't let go of the fact you don't need a major to make it big in 2011, sheeeeit...all you really need is to do really well in American Idol (signing to a major after that is just a technicality). The majors used to be able to make celebrities out of musicians but with the death of the industry that is no longer the case: if your able to flip your 15 minutes of fame into a music tip you too can have a "Bed Intruder" hit single (a slot where 'Woomp, there it is' would have been twenty years ago)

Don't get me wrong, to launch a Gaga/Kanye-esque level of assault: megatours, fancy music videos, your going to need major money behind you and as a relatively young and up and coming artist that's going to require major corporation money. But even here I see this changing with Eminem selling cars and all; that corporation does not have to be one in the industry as we know it. Lets also keep in mind that even Kanye stands for someone in the new paradigm of the industry: he self financed the 'Through the Wire' video and shameless promoted it claiming that his record company didn't give a fuck at the time.

Making a living as an artist? Touring, Itunes, merch if you get big enough

Making a living as a record company? licensing and a cut of the itunes and merch depending on how involved you are.

  

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110. "Give me 2 radio stations in the top 10 markets"
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And 2/3 venues in that city and I'd save any genre worth caring about. I'd want one black station and one white station in each city. Ny, chi, ATL, sf, la, houston, and a few others.

Ppl still spend money while consuming music, be it club admission, alcohol, concert tickets or merchandise. Some even buy ringtones. That is the revenue stream you need to tap into.

In my view, most records don't break until they get on medium rotation on comm radio. Get your stuff on the k_orr network, and you're nationwide. Funnel those listeners to our big venue or small venue, and you get 60% of the door, we take all the liquor, 30% merchandise. I could work w Lil B and 50 Cent. Size wouldn't matter.

I don't give a fuck about Phoenix and Vegas, just give me LA. Everyone in the country that programs radio would my lead, and you could get your 100% tour money there.

I'd do some other value added stuff, but I'm solving your promotion and revenue problems and solving my deteriorating advertising revenue problem.

But no one man should have all that power...

  

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114. "i was thinking along these lines..."
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...plus some new web radio model.

i still think radio is a good way to get audiences in for shows and at clubs and all of that if mailing lists don't get promoters' and venues' attention.

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111. "is downloadin' somethin' only small artists w/no strong foot"
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in the business fear
cuz i mean, if you're small. you don't have a large
fan base or do big shows or tours or any other
real avenue to get money

cuz i think i a big artist aint' really stressin'
download numbers, cuz they gettin' money from
all kinds of shit...they make their stardom
work for them
the music is just a way for them to market
themselves into other avenues

look at fifty...he took his buzz from music
and pushed it into many different arenas
he didn't limit himself to just music
nor worry about sales in the sense
it's hurtin' his pockets

that's the new music business folks
use your music to get money in other areas
cuz it's really no money in JUST the music
for a beginnin' artist itself

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115. "legalize weed and make package deals with albums."
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album and a gram. one low price.


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117. "Transparency "
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I was wondering if the general public had a better idea of the economics of making records, they might be more inclined to purchase. You know how movies are often listed as costing X million dollars, maybe the same thing should be said for music.

It really seems like people think music costs nothing to make and the "record industry" is full of fat cats guzzling all the cash. Has there been any sort of public relations campaign to combat this image?

  

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118. "that won't work."
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i mean, not on a large scale.

guilt trips won't make me purchase in most cases. i expect most consumers are the same.

as i said before, consumers want the best price for goods. $0 is the best price.

fuck you.

  

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120. "Nah... they don't give a shit."
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And really... why should they?

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119. "Develop good to great artist and actually support good/great artist"
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not just stereotypes and gimmicks that may make you a quick and safe return.

Stop supporting the old white southern agenda of that birth of a nation bullshit.

Although I could really care less about the music industry music was here before it and will be here after it.

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121. "Honestly I think I got it..."
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...for small niche indie *productive* artists.

heavy emphasis on productive.

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123. "every exec from the 80's & 90's needs to retire. ny/la elitism needs to ..."
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clive davis, la, doug, etc.

  

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125. "*bookmarks*"
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missed this poast...great idea! *reads*

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126. "hmmmmm"
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Didn't realize this was a year-old post til I noticed the '01' date. hohoho.

But I'd like to reiterate my perspective....I've probably stated it numerous times but whatever.

First, we have to establish what exactly we mean when we say 'music industry'. If you define it by RECORDED music....the selling/purchasing of records, tapes, cds, etc...than the music industry is only around 100 years old. In this sense, I think it's fair to say that the music industry, as we knew it, is over and we happen to live during the time of it's demise.

We've witnessed a technological breakthrough in which any 'recording' in any format can be digitized and than duplicated/shared with a cost that is so minimal....it's virtually nothing. Any industry would die under such circumstances. The last resort of such an industry....is to CREATE barriers of access with the aim of trying to tame a supply curve that is growing exponentially infinite. But those barriers never last....information yearns to be free.

There is NO solution to the problem short of establishing a global, governing body that is able to effectively control and police the internet. A scenario which has much more important ramnifications in politics, human progress and the quality of life worldwide. In that context....who gives a shit about the music industry?

In short....for around 100 years, recorded music has been a 'product'. Whatever the format....it was powerful enough that it created an entire industry that took many shapes and sizes through the years. But we're entering the territory where we can't really call it a product anymore.

You can't see it....you can't touch it....you don't have to pay for it....you don't have to print it....you don't have to package it....you don't have to ship it....you don't have to shelve it.

To answer the question directly.....I think there's been a reversal of roles in different elements of the music industry. Steppenwolf used to tour in order to advertise their records. A modern act makes a record to advertise their tour. And even this distinction is cloudy because that revearsal started happening BEFORE filesharing became widespread. Mostly because artists had horrible record deals and made more money on their tours/t-shirts. BUT....we're talking about the 'industry' right? And there's no question that the sales of physical formats was the engine that kept the whole machine going.

And the physical formats will continue to exist for niche markets. But not like we saw in previous generations.

I don't think I'm copping out here. Trying to be realistic.

  

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127. "In The Past Year Labels Have Been On A Suicide Mission"
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*Major labels have been discounting their oldies back catalog for cheap now that they have more than half of it available for download at itunes and amazon (even stuff they don't offer in physical format)

*SMRPrices on physical cds still are the same but only big box stores & chains are offering loss leader prices on well known acts; example: a cd that regularly goes for $17.99 but the first couple of weeks it's priced at $9.99 but if you want that cd six months later...guess what you're going to have to pay the regular price.

*Still waiting nine months to a year after a song or artist gets heavy rotation online or on radio stations to just release an album when 99% of the time these artists already have their albums done and have demos & mixtapes available before they got signed to the label; by then the hype has already died down by half to none.

*They're pressing up vinyl for non-club-play artists, seriously who's paying $25 to $30 for acoustic rock artists (or re-issues of albums that can be found in $1-$5 bins in used record stores)

Seems like Major labels haven't learned a damn thing in the past 10 years with the industry loosing so much money cause of bad practices or for not changing with the times.


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128. "give it away for free."
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rid the music licensing to allow people to more expressively and creatively create music.

and let the market decide.

companies should invest in the brand of an artist, and their universal appeal across all of their talents, rather than just on album sales.

fans can have more of a connection with a personality than they can an mp3.

revenue comes from endorsements and appearances, concerts, multimedia presence (merchandise/film/television/etc)

there will be less platinum hits but more quality music, with people who can afford to do it as a living, and if the industry acts as the umbrella then they can benefit from all the subsequent revenue.

if they don't, then of course, the obvious answer is to bypass the industry, and let the artists be their own labels.

let the internet function as the new distribution, and they control their content, where they can make whatever creative decisions they want.

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129. "Lots of good perspectives in the post"
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as odd or new-agey as this sounds, i think the missing element is the 'human' element.

like another poster said here, information or content yearns to be free, but i think people will (and do) pay to know they have a secure, stable means of safe escape or enjoyment.

i think if a label is able to brand or discover artists who consistently make music that satisfies its audience or market, it will do okay.

some other poster made mention that the labels ought not to focus solely on music, maybe music labels might morph into marketing companies who are able to use their experience in making other acts marketable or more marketable and help them gain entry to larger markets or arenas.

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