Honestly, I wore it out when it first dropped but now only find myself going back to it on the occasional Sunday (it's that type of album)in favor of beat tapes. Obvious death tie-in aside, its just a sad album to listen to.

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was his ability to make you forget you were essentially listening to a loop (at times.) In fact, surely I'm not alone on this point, but I tend to think emcees can get in the way of the track especially when there is no instrumental counterpart. His beats (songs IMO) were finished when he was done with them; not when an mc blessed it.

That point aside, Donuts in particular, had a recurring theme and cohesion that unmistakeably put it in the album category.

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>was his ability to make you forget you were essentially
>listening to a loop (at times.) In fact, surely I'm not alone
>on this point, but I tend to think emcees can get in the way
>of the track especially when there is no instrumental
>counterpart. His beats (songs IMO) were finished when he was
>done with them; not when an mc blessed it.
>
>That point aside, Donuts in particular, had a recurring theme
>and cohesion that unmistakeably put it in the album category.

^tabernacle

..."Donuts" is a collection of beats from some of his last "BEAT TAPES", why would you get mad if someone just so happens to call it a "BEAT TAPE" especially when there is no rapping on it and no singing (other than what was sampled/looped from the original records).

It might have been magical to you but maybe others just consider it something less than magic .

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it's instrumental album consisting of recognizable loops, that if you listen to the originals, re-works and re-imagines them in ways that are damn incredible. New songs from recognizable snippets. Donuts was to function as a boody of work, not just single beats. that's why they're brief, interrupted and blended into each other. it's not a colletion of beats handed out to rappers that got into the hands of "heads". but yes, the OP is over-stating the point

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you jock it below as an album

so you're saying it's an album AND a beattape?

ok...

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it was commercially released. It has always sounded like an extended beat tape. As I said below, I think it's mainly going to be remembered more as huge influence on the whole FlyLo/Brainfeeder scene more than a great "hip hop" album. As a result, most of those artists' album also sound like beat tapes too.

I dont see why its so hard to comprehend that Donuts its a collection of beats... and that doesn't make it a bad album...

if you can't tell the difference between an album like Avalanches - Since I Left You and Dilla's Donuts, then I don't know what to say...

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going to get you a "thank you" card from Frank and/or Dank, don't you?

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http://new.music.yahoo.com/j-dilla/tracks/deciding-to-release-donuts--175970089

in fact, does Egon make beats at all?

i'd be curious to hear what he can come up with

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What does Egon making beats (even though he has, as well as released an album) have to do with the fact that Stones Throw bought this beat tape from Dilla to sell in the mass market, as well as get extra bread by selling the beats? I'd think Egon would be close to Wolf as far as telling how 'Donuts' came about, don't you? He's the GM for the label. If your argument is in regards to it not being a conventional beat tape where it's full of just loops for sale, Dilla has built some of his other beat tapes in the same fashion.

If 'Donuts' came out in October 2005 like it was supposed to, it wouldn't have been revered as what all these people that listened to it after he died thought it was. You remember when Stones Throw released the tagged promo in 2005, right? How did it feel to you then, when you didn't think that Dilla was going to die so soon after its release?

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>What does Egon making beats (even though he has, as well as
>released an album) have to do with the fact that Stones Throw
>bought this beat tape from Dilla to sell in the mass market,
>as well as get extra bread by selling the beats?

nothing

>I'd think
>Egon would be close to Wolf as far as telling how 'Donuts'
>came about, don't you?

nah, not at all...cause Egon didn't create 'Donuts'

>If your
>argument is in regards to it not being a conventional beat
>tape where it's full of just loops for sale, Dilla has built
>some of his other beat tapes in the same fashion.
>

huh?

i've heard (some of, maybe most?) his other beattapes (and if i had to choose, i'd have a hard time between donuts and dilla beats 3 aka motown) and i don't think anything, even motown, is put together in the fashion that 'donuts' is...'donuts' is much more calculated

>If 'Donuts' came out in October 2005 like it was supposed to,
>it wouldn't have been revered as what all these people that
>listened to it after he died thought it was.

oh so you on THAT shit...word

> You remember when
>Stones Throw released the tagged promo in 2005, right?

no

>How did
>it feel to you then, when you didn't think that Dilla was
>going to die so soon after its release?

i didn't hear donuts at all until it released to retail

but i had motown for a good while and, like i said, though not as much an album (at all), the beats themselves compete w/ donuts and give it a run for it's money

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like the number of songs are his age.....how the album ends with the death song.

this not just "here my hottest beats"....this is an album he had some other beat tapes but this here was a complete personal body of work as an album.

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from his last beat tapes, dumbass

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>Obvious death tie-in aside, its just a sad album to listen to.

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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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...im no dilla stan, but donuts is a beautiful album ..one of the best this decade easily

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you know i still remember getting that promo {bout a month or 2 before it dropped) and just being fucking floored by how dope it was..i wore that promo out(dilladilladilladilladonuts)..then the actual version dropped and had even more to it..i love and still to this day love and play that shit on the regular. just the chops of the loops were insane if u actally make beats.u can appreciate it on a whole nother level for that alone..still great RIP the god

r.i.p. dilla

anybody that fronts on this album is a fucking fool to start with
it plays better from front to back than just about any record that came after it, it almost forces you to listen to the whole thing
can't say it's perfect but I will say that EVERYONE I've put on to it love that shit to this day

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sweet cuz it's dope and we get to enjoy it over and over
bitter, cuz it's his last hurrah
his goodbye letter to life and his love

...a child is born with no state of mind, blind to the ways of mankind, god is smilin' on you and frownin' too, because only god knows what you gonna do...�melle mel

  

masterpiece until the end of the times

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still the GOAT at callin' out silly replies in the lesson

>still the GOAT at callin' out silly replies in the lesson

question the seriousness of my almost dropped tears


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but when it comes on, I get pulled into it again.

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maybe not, since you're asking this question

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and it was an 'oh shit I e-know that guy' moment

but I can't remember what the album was for the life of me, it was something notable tho

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I can, but can you? It does nothing when we make half-steppin comments like this. It just makes us come off like Dilla dickriders. And the pro with his LMAO cosign spent a whole post in 09 crying about an album that wore Donuts' stamp all over it... that album was The Ecstatic

As howisya has tried to point out before, go listen to portishead, massive attack, aphex twin, etc befogged you give all that love to Dilla alone

i care less about your opinion, but you just sound like such a garden tool

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I'm a bitch. We both know you'd say that to me in person. You are the mighty gatekeeper of things Dillard's and Lib. I still respect some of ur ideas, but ur maniacal over reactions as of late are comedy. Have a good day

as usual

edit: and lemme go ahead and address the "you wouldn't say it to my face" issue

wouldn't have to...cause i highly doubt you walk around IRL acting like a smug know it all...that's prolly just som'n you do for ego sake on the net...IRL you prolly just listen to ppl's opinions and discuss shit rather than acting like an above-it-all-know-it-all-smug-asshole

so i wouldn't have to say shit

but if you were my friend, and you acted like you type in a music discussion we were actually having, damn right i'd say it...and you'd be a motherfucking chump if you tried to start some physical shit over a comment in a music discussion

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I'm an asshole fam. Period. I do act like a know it all. Even though I don't. So stop assuming. Secondly, nothing about me asking please explain yourself, makes me smugg. Don't just say Dilla did it and it's true. That's why the lesson has an unfair rep for its Dilla stannery. We have a right to be stans, he was the man, but we also got to back it up. Lastly, in real life if you called me a bitch for no reason, which makes you the chump, I'd def get confront you, don't know what strange ass niggas you roll with that let shit like that slide.

>As howisya has tried to point out before, go listen to
>portishead, massive attack, aphex twin, etc befogged you give
>all that love to Dilla alone


NOBODY was releasing all instrumental albums until he did, yes Portishead, Massive Attack, etc are progenitors to the style, but as far as bringing it to hip hop its Dilla blood

Shadow? RJD2? Co Flows Little Johnny in the Hospital?prince paul? Or are they "more" than hip hop

I forgot cuz I never could get into those albums and artists you listed, but they clearly did it before Dilla.





I just wonder why they never had a big impact on hip hop as far other producers following suit (like they did after Donuts ya know?)

I agree. I ain't foolin myself to think this younger generation of musicians are looking at endtroducing over Donuts. Its a new "hallmark" "pillar". I just think the albums influence is also about how long tracks are now a days (a minte and a half to under 3 min songs) and inspiring diggers to go back to established crates to try and rework them, in that they are not exhausted and tired, which Dilla proved with Donuts.

Us claiming its so without evidence doesn't make it so, nahhmean

Anyways my bad for callin you a lame ass nerd. I hate when other lessonheads do it and had no warrant to say it to you

were the songs?

i say this to point out that donuts is not like those albums

those albums contain longer, more composed, pieces

donuts was revolutionary (to me) b/c it took the most basic (AND DOPEST-imo) hip-hop production template (the sample based loop) and didn't try to extend the loop into a large production, but rather did so much with the loop in a short time, it at once was a throwback to what so many of us got pulled into hip-hop music by, while being extremely forward thinking and original at the same time

it's hard to explain but i know what i mean

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>were the songs?
>
>i say this to point out that donuts is not like those albums
>
>those albums contain longer, more composed, pieces
>
>donuts was revolutionary (to me) b/c it took the most basic
>(AND DOPEST-imo) hip-hop production template (the sample based
>loop) and didn't try to extend the loop into a large
>production, but rather did so much with the loop in a short
>time, it at once was a throwback to what so many of us got
>pulled into hip-hop music by, while being extremely forward
>thinking and original at the same time






>it's hard to explain but i know what i mean



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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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And I AGREE WITH YOU. If you would've read MY reply to DJ Joey up top, you'd see we said the same thing in different ways. That's what makes all ur a bitch this, dumb ass that, so unnecessary.

And even still I would try and argue that Donuts isn't solely responsible for the unnamed artist we're talking about. Shit I even hear Dilla's influence on the sound of acts like Dirty Projectors and Mount Kimbie, but Dilla is only a piece not the whole puzzle.

Either way respect

>Either way respect

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>NOBODY was releasing all instrumental albums until he did,
>es Portishead, Massive Attack, etc are progenitors to the
>style, but as far as bringing it to hip hop its Dilla blood

http://www.discogs.com/artist/45+King,+The

It's also check out Dj Smash as well: http://www.discogs.com/artist/DJ+Smash

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>NOBODY was releasing all instrumental albums until he did, yes
>Portishead, Massive Attack, etc are progenitors to the style,
>but as far as bringing it to hip hop its Dilla blood

HAD PETESTRUMENTALS BEFORE DILLA BRUH

AND 45 KING DID IT BACK IN THE DAY

45 KING AND LOUIE LOU RHYTHMICAL MADNESS

FAT JON TOO

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because when it comes to this shit *I* personally listen to regularly, the "influence still shinin"...

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Not trying to be smug or deny what youre saying, just wish ppl cited examples instead of broad statements like "Look around" or what you said.

Apollo Brown
Oddisee
Madlib


...all of them make music (not exclusively) focused on the precise chop, manipulation and arrangement of samples

donuts set precedents in this "arena"

it influences said artists' work to my ears (not that this is their ONLY influence)

i try to keep the math simple

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when the record stops on "stop" JESUS, check your pulse if you don't feel that in your soul.

This album will always be associated, in my mind, as his last album.
The one that I played to help me deal with his death- the rest of his work doesn't have the same association for me, I think of good times: smoking out with friends, partying, etc.

Second to Fantastic Volume, its the Dilla related album that I slap the most

>when the record stops on "stop" JESUS, check your pulse if
>you don't feel that in your soul.

i always hold my breath/ snap my neck back when that *stop* comes up!
if you think about it.. that's magical right there..

donuts STILL gets heavy rotation in the whip..
i've even made my lady appreciate that album..

CLASSIC!

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... and still is.

is that the songs didnt last long enough, I could listen to "walkinonit" for hours.

No matter how I feel I can play that album anytime.

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>is that the songs didnt last long enough, I could listen to
>"walkinonit" for hours.

that was the beauty of it to me. he didn't allow a song to drag on and
become boring. it was short and wonderful

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>No matter how I feel I can play that album anytime.

agreed and i thought it was overrated at first

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Original run time of the whole album was like 20 minutes according to Egon. They extended the length so it would sound less like a beat tape.

Fantastic stuff. I think it's going to be known more as THE key album in the development/creation of the Brainfeeder scene/sound.

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always will be. I love that album.

It still sounds dope and it's cohesive as hell. Just a great listen. I agree with whoever said it was a sad album though....I associate that LP with his death and I never really spun it too much once I copped (doubles of) the retail version.

And I'll say this:

I've heard some sloppy fucking bites of "Donuts-style" beats, and it's obvious that some people just don't get it. I hate that, and I think that whole sound is played out because of the imitators. I know that *I* have no desire to hear a soul chop in 2011, but damn he came through and crushed the buildings back in 06. I knew that Kanye's College Dropout-era soul beats were some bullshit, and thankfully Dilla delivered the real deal with Donuts. I might give that a spin tomorrow.

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but every time "Stop!" comes up, I still get hype.
Man, it has been 5 years. Feels just like yesterday I was rockin' this in the 740.

don't be fkn evil.

this album made me cry when I first heard it- and this was *before* Dilla died. the slowdown on 'Time' made me shed tears of giddiness at how dope it was. I was absolutely entranced from front to back. even to this day I don't skip tracks- I have to play it in its entirety every time.

this record is eternal. I can see how it would make some sad, but I'm glad I'm not among that group.

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