Leaf House - This is pretty jamming to start. I like the vocals, though it starts getting over done. Fortunately it's short. Unfortunately it ends with fucking meowing.

Who Could Win a Rabbit - Real tingy sounding guitars. Not my favorite sound. I dig the arrangement, loose but tight. Wish the mix wasn't so wide. They like these obtuse endings. Ehhhh.

The Softest Voice - I hope this is going somewhere. Over a minute and hasn't gotten there yet. A bunch of arpeggios. Here come the vocals. Seems like a little early in the sequencing for something like this. I want to skip but I'll hang in. Starting to depress me. The harmonies are the only thing interesting about this and them, not so much. Changed up, bunch of effects. Meh. Shit there's still two and a half minutes left. Back to arpeggios. And we're doing what we already did again.

Winters Love - Makeshift sounding percussions. Some harmonies. A minute and a half of that fades out to something completely unrelated. Sounds like they're having fun though ummmm... okay, sure. Sounds like spring more than winter.

Kids on Holiday - Interesting sounds starting off this one. "but I'm feeling impatient" did he just say "the smell of pajamas"? "so you're feeling sleepy" yep. this is probably really deep but the two chords being strum in my right ear are irritating as fuck. is it about a little kid in the airport with his parents? okay.... what the hell is this chanting at the end?

Sweet Road - I like this opening phrase. Love what they are doing with the vocals. Comes in a little hard. Could have built up more. Wait... it's over. #fail Could have been great.

Visiting Friends - And it goes into more aimless strumming with effects. Geeeze. WTF. Wait there go some vocals. Are they being reversed. Dear god. This song is twelve and a half minutes. Three minutes so far of strumming, effects and vocals I can't understand. I want to stab something. Someone's going to pay for me sitting through this. Just hit the half way mark. I now know the vocals aren't reversed. He's saying something, I just have no clue what. I'm typing to try and make it go by faster. I wonder if the CD had lyrics in the booklet, and if die hard fans would read and try to sing along with this. Wait I think I'm understanding the words. "You were visiting" "The way that they smelled" He keeps doing this "wsshh a bing" LOL!! There must be some indoctrinating affect on this strumming. At the eight minute mark it makes you start thinking it makes sense. The guitarist must be getting cramps by now. FUCK.... make this stop. Are they called animal collective for their tendency to make animal sounds. Is 'tongs' animal speak for songs? I don't speak animal. Uhoh. We're at the eleven minute build up to the last minute of making this song sound like its going to end any second now.... not yet.... not yet... oh hell no. You can't just fade out of this bullshit. Give me more!!

College - Groaning, the sound of water or something like it. Sounds like a Lambda Lambda Lambda party. Great message.

We Tigers - Native american styled drumming. What's he saying. Amicus? There was a nice flirtation of harmony. Then yelling while some guy whispers poltergeist. High pitched shrieks. "Everybody's running" Actually a nice groove in there kinda. Sounds like they're having fun at least.

Mouth Wooed Her - Okay I'm convinced these guys have no idea how to really play the guitar. They know how to make notes sure but play... nah. Did he just say "Cut yourself"? All these random sounds going in and out. Who gave them a tabla? "I don't want that" neither do I. Geeze. Each of these hard hits make me more irritated. Change up. Yeah they are clueless on the guitar. Competent on the effects I guess. "I need mouth water." LOL at the hand claps. *SMH* The way he keeps saying that sounds like a rapist.

Good Lovin Outside - LOL!! This almost started out good. Then they got into the 'guitar playing'. I hate those type of bands that do that dramatic pause before changing chords. It's like bad acting. No not like. Considering the guitar chops it is bad acting. Laughing samples. Jokes on me. This sucks. *Low dramatic voice* Long drawn out notes saying *wait for it* whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat exactly? "Outside"

Whaddit I Done - I like that effect on the vocals but knowing them, they'll ruin it. Yup. It's old by the fourty fifth second. But they won't let it go will they. Try to focus on something else. Man listen to that guitar </sarcasm> Thank goodness this is the last song. Did he say "pajama's" again? WTF. Is this a concept album that completely went over my head. Pajamas have some sort of significance. Going into the third minute the effect is now on my fucking nerves. This cannot end fast enough. But just to drive it in, they're going to repeat this refrain for the whole last minute aren't they. Then another fade out. And it's over.

So yeah after this and that god awful EP I'll probably never listen to these guys again. I won't front, there are some really cool ideas that get explored in here but they have absolutely no clue what to do with them. The best song is the shortest one. The first song had promise too. But.... no. Their voices are like their ideas, pretty good, but they have no idea what to do with them. Actually that's not true. They make some good harmonic efforts, and strokes of arranging competency, but the overall *cough* songwriting just ruins it. And then there's the guitar 'playing'

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damn fam I ain't laughed that hard in a while. I couldn't even make it past song 4 when I gave it a try. they're genius and song writing praise and all kinds of other shit that fans and critics love about them goes completely over my head. I hope I have a moment of "ohh shit, this is genius" with them one day, or im convinced we are collectively going bat shit crazy with creative mediocrity and shit that just plain bad.

While I also think the Beatle Comparison by AVS is abnormal, I definetely recommend Merriweather Post Pavillion. Check out the whole album in one listening experience and let me know what you think.

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...that most positive reviews usually point out.

My ears must be trained for something else.

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You have to not approach it with such fucking elitism and negativity and let it grow on you because individually every song comes at you in a different vibe and then in about a year you realize -- oh shit I've played each one of these songs as if it was my favorite, now I can play the whole album!

This is Animal Collective's Rubber Soul, except in comparison to the fact that a lot of Folk already existed when RS came out -- this is more experimental.

Also also Visiting Friends is a skit, that is also a song O SHI INNOVATION

>This is Animal Collective's Rubber Soul,

>Who Could Win a Rabbit

Give this one another listen (or two?) I remember I really didn't like this when I first heard it. Like I genuinely hated Sung Tongs when I first heard it.

>The Softest Voice

This was the song that would always play after the ONE-TWO AWESOME-AWESOME of Leaf House / Who Could Win A Rabbit? which feels on the level of Come Together / Something in terms of singles, just not stylistically. The Softest Voice would be like this transitory song that would play for a minute or two before I'd turn it off. Over time I decided I'd let it play and it took me to this dream-like state of mind. It was here where I realized that just the previous track I had been chanting at the top of my lungs SOMETIMES I CANT FIND MY GOOD HABITS that I had entered the world of Sung Tongs and was going to be taken through several psychedelic spectrums of thought.

>
>Winters Love

First time I heard this it felt like magic. Don't see how you can't absolutely love this one on first listen.

>
>Kids on Holiday

This one took a second listen to fully get and then I would always be looking forward to the ending "kids on HOOOOOOLIDAY (whispered) kids on HOLLLIDAAAAAY"

>
>Sweet Road - I like this opening phrase. Love what they are
>doing with the vocals. Comes in a little hard. Could have
>built up more. Wait... it's over. #fail Could have been
>great.

Keep listening


>
>Visiting Friends

This was the song that I hated at first and just figured "Okay, I can get down with everything else, but seriously, twelve fucking minutes? This is just too long, plain and simple." Then I listened to it on a car trip while traveling in Autumn Western PA and it blew my mind. I didn't want it to end. I could've been half an hour long.

>
>College

So fucking great after Visiting Friends, makes the words seem 10x more impacting

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>We Tigers

My anthem. The lyrics and song structure 120% describe what its like to be on Acid better than the previous winners -- The Beatles with "Strawberry Fields Forever"

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>Mouth Wooed Her

I! DONT! WANT! NO! ONE! NO! God the verses in here are so WIIIIIIILD "NOW ALL GO OUT oh leeets THE DYE ON MY FAAACE"


>
>Good Lovin Outside

I�m wearing your shirt
So act like a kid, don't pretend to hit me
Cause we act in the funniest ways
But it�s just like it should be
With good love on the outside

>
>Whaddit I Done

This is a great song to really think about all the emotions you just went through to. The only line from Pitchfork I ever actually quoted which perfectly expresses my feelings on this album "Sung Tongs is a romantic album; romantic in its celebration of innocence and nonsensical shared knowledge, and the sweet, trusted idea that everything will be fine-- as if it hadn't always been."

Anybody who hasn't heard them and goes into them after that are just going to think that both AC and you are a joke.

I genuinely feel ridiculously mind blowingly embarrassed for you every time you post about AC these days.

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not my problem none of those people are here

At least compare them to the Beach Boys so howisya can come and tell us how they just ape them.

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And I hang out with a bunch of altbros and think Strawberry Jam is funtastic

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what

Feels
Person Pitch
Strawberry Jam
MPP

those albums are all fire as hell and Animal Collective is one of the best bands of the last decade. i think making random comparisons to huge stars of the past is a pointless and rather geeky pursuit, and it's not hard to see they are an acquired taste.

the early stuff is a little much tho. (and even the albums i mentioned as being great have duds, feels especially)

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While I personally believe practically everything they've touched is flawless in one way or another -- Feels is indisputably flawless no matter how you look at it. I have no idea what song you are going to name honestly

You are such a joke, coming from someone who enjoys AC very much.

NOTHING in indisputably flawless

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and i just dont get it
what is the appeal of this band??
what makes them so great??
it boggles the mind when i see stuff like this get critical acclaim
i feel like certain music snobs use bands like this as a one upping tool in the battle of music elitism
i will give them props for trying something different, but thats about it


PS Lesson fam..I do believe that probably one of our many talented beatsmiths here can flip some of the sounds on some of these albums into something more easier to digest

I honestly just got into them off of MPP and I love that record. But IDK about their older stuff, I have tried some older tracks but nothing made me go "I NEED TO COP THIS SHIT" like My Girls did with MPP.

I also like Fall Be Kind allot too honestly


but this guy overrates them like crazy comparing them with the BEATLES....smh

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Haven't been able to get into their earlier albums.

gets there.

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of your words


Sung Tongs (Produced by Animal Collective & Rusty Santos)

1|Leaf House|2:43 4.5 - 5
2|Who Could Win a Rabbit|2:19 4.5 - 5
3|The Softest Voice|6:46 4
4|Winters Love|4:55 4
5|Kids on Holiday|5:47 5
6|Sweet Road|1:16 3.5 - 4
7|Visiting Friends|12:37 5
8|College|0:53 3.5 - 4
9|We Tigers|2:43 5
10|Mouth Wooed Her|4:25 4.5 - 5
11|Good Lovin Outside|4:27 4.5 - 5
12|Whaddit I Done|4:06 4.5 - 5

Overall: 52.5 - 56 4.52/5 88 - 93%: Exceptional; repeated listens demanded; BUY IT


I don't know what to tell you. Animal Collective makes me really happy when I listen to them, but I don't think their most acclaimed albums are more than 4-star records. Like these scores indicate, I do think they're incredibly, incredibly solid 4-star records though. Strawberry Jam is their best effort and doubles as their least repetitive/most pop effort, IMO.


And like most great artists (OutKast, Beatles, Biggie, Bowie, etc.) it didn't take me multiple tries to enjoy them, I loved their sound right away. Not just liked but loved. That to me is the mark of an all-time band, when they can force you into their aesthetic.


The way people that 'don't get it' claim the people who 'do' are just 'fronting' to cash some kind of 'cultural credit' with other critical peers is a little outrageous though. Animal Collective are a great band and it's not their fault they're doing things that other people aren't doing, strange things that apparently not everyone takes kindly to.

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I wonder if your ratings are relative. Like a 5 song by AC is on the same level as a 5 song by ___________. Or is it relative to the listening experience or something else?


>I don't know what to tell you. Animal Collective makes me
>really happy when I listen to them, but I don't think their
>most acclaimed albums are more than 4-star records.

Keeping it real.

>Like these
>scores indicate, I do think they're incredibly, incredibly
>solid 4-star records though. Strawberry Jam is their best
>effort and doubles as their least repetitive/most pop effort,
>IMO.

You almost make me want to check it, but it'll be months before I build up the nerve.

>And like most great artists (OutKast, Beatles, Biggie, Bowie,
>etc.) it didn't take me multiple tries to enjoy them, I loved
>their sound right away. Not just liked but loved. That to me
>is the mark of an all-time band, when they can force you into
>their aesthetic.

This I appreciate. I don't want to hear some "you gotta listen to it right" bullshit. If it's dope its dope. And that's not to take away from the grow on you factor, but grow on you is a bonus not a good excuse.

>The way people that 'don't get it' claim the people who 'do'
>are just 'fronting' to cash some kind of 'cultural credit'
>with other critical peers is a little outrageous though.
>Animal Collective are a great band and it's not their fault
>they're doing things that other people aren't doing, strange
>things that apparently not everyone takes kindly to.

I've never claimed that fans are fronting. I have no problem with folk liking what they like. I only take note when universal claims start being made that simply aren't accepted universally, even remotely so. Also doing different things doesn't make a band. There are tons of bands doing different things. They key is doing them well. Now there is a level of subjectivity when the well comes into play, but if it's to be taken as a universal it has to be able to stand up to universal critique.

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It's all relative to the album and my feelings on it at the time. I try not to do it until I've heard an album a good number of times and know what I like to skip, what i like to sit through, what I appreciate but get tired of, etc.


If I had to think about whether "Who Could Win a Rabbit" is as dope a single as "In da Club" when I sat down to score an album, I'd probably end up in Brian Wilson's shoes without the killer legacy to leave behind.

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>If I had to think about whether "Who Could Win a Rabbit" is as
>dope a single as "In da Club" when I sat down to score an
>album, I'd probably end up in Brian Wilson's shoes without the
>killer legacy to leave behind.

Yeah. I've been rating songs individually a lot lately. 1-5 no decimals. Then using that to rate the album as a whole. But I recognize a relativeness to it. A part of me is bothered by that, but at the same time acknowledges there's probably little I can do about it. At some point it'd be interesting to rate the 5 songs relative to each other. Hmmmmm.
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it's tired and pointless.

let the kids have their fun.

if people want to post about AC they want others to listen, but they don't want opinions unless its favorable. it's unfair for me to talk without listening and i didn't before listening to the EP which didn't impress. i was told then to listen to another release. this is one a friend had given me a year ago now. i gave it a listen and wrote my thoughts going along. i go into everything with an open mind. i'm not going into it to slam them. i'm going into it to listen and posting to share my thoughts. plain and simple. i give credit where its do. if there was bias involved the above would read much different.
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but as the title suggests this is probably a direct response to one individual on this board.

getting him riled up about AC again is like watching a hamster run on its wheel.

nothing you type out, no matter how valid it is, is going to make ANY difference to him right now.

hence, the futility of this post.

not to mention there's AC threads just about every other day now. do we really need another?

and i like covering all of my bases. AVS wanted to say elsewhere that I was hating having not listened knowing I had heard the EP. I'd previously told him I had Sung Tongs and asked if it was worth me giving a listen, and he said I had to. The Saints won last night, I was in a good mood and so gave it a listen. If I liked it I would have said so happily.

Are there a lot of AC posts of late, sure. But they're all one sided and usually of the 'metaphysical' greatness sort. This post to me is a reality check in that broader context. It's not just blind hate. I give up the points that I like. I'm pretty specific about the ones that I don't. No one is yet to say you're crazy if you don't think the guitar work is amazing, listen to the way they ________ on __________. I give up the fact that they got good harmonies. No one is saying yeah but the arrangement of them on _________ proves they know how to work with those harmonies.

And again it's not that my view should change anyone's liking of it, but hopefully it provides the context for understanding how someone like me could not like it and not just be 'mad'.
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it grows on you, you still haven't really heard it yet.

>like watching a hamster
>run on its wheel.

or maybe *sphere* would be a more appropriate word.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98M1mqKGJJc

hours of fun!

Make of that with your allegory what you will.

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on its wheel.
>
>or maybe *sphere* would be a more appropriate word.
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>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98M1mqKGJJc
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>hours of fun!



i might get a hamster just for that.

now that's entertainment.



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>Make of that with your allegory what you will.



both versions work equally well.

PEACE

"The struggle of man against power is the struggle of memory against forgetting." - Kundera

It has all the spiritual components Rubber Soul had. I'm dead serious about this Beatles theory.

I don't know how similar it is to other animal collective albums, but...

a large part of the enjoyment of their music to me is how alot of times they'll sit one idea or chord for 2-3 minutes, and when you're listening to those parts knowing what it then breaks out and changes into and you're anticipating it..it's dope.

Giving a critical negative review off your first listen, typing as you listen, is some obvious "I want to hate this" style posting in general, but it's especially ridiculous for Animal Collective, whose songs you generally have to listen to a few times to get into them.

And I respect you as a poster and like your posts (impcvsl).

In other words, listening to Animal Collective is kind of like going fishing...
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>a large part of the enjoyment of their music to me is how alot
>of times they'll sit one idea or chord for 2-3 minutes

12 MINUTES!!!! 12 MINUTES!!!!!

I mention this thing that you're talking about in my review, as it pops up a few times. I'm sorry but sitting on the same chord is just not my thing. And it's not even so much about the chord. It's the same strummed tingy acoustic chord. People talk about Lauryn's playing on Unplugged for days. AC get's a pass because that's their thing. Even more I find it hard to wrap my brain around a single chord being an 'idea'. Maybe its a bias but... at least make it an interesting chord. Or invert it... or something.

>when you're listening to those parts knowing what it then
>breaks out and changes into and you're anticipating it..it's
>dope.

I think I note one if not two times it worked okay for me. The rest of the time it either didn't happen or came as some abrupt thing out of nowhere, and didn't go much of anywhere.

>Giving a critical negative review off your first listen,
>typing as you listen, is some obvious "I want to hate this"
>style posting in general

I don't want to hate any music. Look at how I start with the first two songs. I dug them. Seems like general consensus is these are the best songs on the album too. Go figure. Yes the subject of this thread is snarky, but that's actually the one thing I edited after writing what I wrote.

>but it's especially ridiculous for
>Animal Collective, whose songs you generally have to listen to
>a few times to get into them.

Sorry but I have to be convinced I want to listen to something a few times. It has to be earned. An album that makes me want to cut it off in the middle is not something I'm inclined to listen to again. The fact that I stuck through this as long as I did was only because of the fact that if I didn't folk would say I didn't give them a chance. But I did. I didn't like it, and nor did I think there was anything in it that warranted further investigation so that I might like it.

>And I respect you as a poster and like your posts (impcvsl).

I hope my not liking this doesn't change that opinion. I may talk shit about posters here (rarely unprovoked) or even artists, but when it all boils down to it, its about the music for me. I hope you can see through whatever bias you're reading into this and see that I'm only reflecting on my perspective of the music.

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Why do you choose to mimic these wack MCs?
Why do you choose to listen to R&B?

"There are obviously many things which we do not understand, and may never be able to." Leela

*puts emceeing in a box*

My vinyl's in boxes though. And I won't get to it right away. But choose one and you got it Damaja.
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can;t really side
RS would miss drive my car, nowhere man, what goes on and get some inferior tracks instead
R would miss I'm Only Sleeping and And Your Bird Can Sing which is a travesty (and also Dr Robert but that's not such a catastrophe)

Revolver if it's the altered us versions
Rubber Soul if they're the proper versions

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*puts emceeing in a box*

so whatever i can 'find'
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People hate shit that's ahead of its time because there is nothing to compare it to

Revolver reached #1 on both the UK chart and US chart and stayed at the top spot for seven weeks and six weeks, respectively.

Animal Collective will *never* achieve anything close to that.

Most people were expecting very simple catchy pop tunes but instead got tomorrow never knows. And I already said this shit -- the only reason AC won't sell that much is because music as a whole isn't like that anymore. You know what sells? Ke$ha's TiK ToK. That's what sells. You argument fucking PROOVES that Ke$ha >>>> The Roots, so shut the fuck up about sales, because they don't mean jack-fucking shit in this time period. Back when the beatles were out, they mattered. Now? Fuck out of here

And AVS it really is a shame you're holding onto this. The Damaja will tell you I'm not the biggest Beatles fan but the one thing I will never take from them is stellar songwriting. It's what helped them to capture the ears of the world, despite only average talents in other areas. Even as they started doing more experimental things they always had this foundation. Which is why they were able to still hold onto fans despite going so way out. The essence was still there.

Based on what I've heard of AC no matter how profound you may find their lyrics to be, their songwriting is nowhere near at the level of the Beatles. They experiment where they seemingly have no understanding of the fundamentals and so it just sounds sloppy. Of course they have a decent fanbase that will support and insist that the obtuseness of it is genius, but to think that it is on par to the experimentation of The Beatles and puts them even close to their league is just stubborn naivete.

You will of course dismiss this and hold onto your beliefs which is perfectly fine, but the more you insist and presenting them as you are doing now the less credible you will become as a critical objective listener.

Think about it.
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TL;DR Version: You feel that Animal Collective don't know what they are doing / They aren't as good as songwriters as The Beatles.

I never said they were as as good as The Beatles, as said they are the NEW beatles. They are writing songs that are on that level, its just that there is a new definition now in 2010. You can't just fucking write a Pop track like they did back in the day. There are so many songs written by AC that are easily comparable to The Beatles -- its just that they are in a new time period.

>
>I never said they were as as good as The Beatles, as said they
>are the NEW beatles.
>

If something is the "NEW" version of something previous, it is assumed, by human logic, that it is at least as good as �if not better than� its previous version.

Hence, why everybody was pissed with Windows ME coming after Windows 98.

Oh wait, you're too young to remember that...

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Personally I would take MGMT and Fleet Foxes over Animal Collective and Grizzly Bear anyday, respectively...hey, thats just me...but people look for different things in terms of what they want to get out of music.

But the AC = modern day Beatles is crazy talk. its just crazy talk. in all seriousness you've put a gigantic dent in your credibility by hanging on to that shit so forcefully. i'm not insulting you, i'm just telling you in all honestly that nobody will ride with that. the comparison doesn't even make sense at all...you'd have an easier time telling me radiohead are the modern day beatles, and i think that comparison is fuckin foolish too.

I mean, I understand you feeling a certain way and shit...at times I start thinking crazy shit like McCartney is the Mozart of the 20th Century, but I don't go around saying that shit out loud and shit, and if i did i certainly wouldn't be incensed that people don't agree with me...

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>Personally I would take MGMT and Fleet Foxes over Animal
>Collective and Grizzly Bear anyday,
>

Fleet Foxes = modern day CSNY

Which is much better than being the modern day Beatles from where I'm standing.

Like, much much better.

~Austin

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>>Personally I would take MGMT and Fleet Foxes over Animal
>>Collective and Grizzly Bear anyday,
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>Fleet Foxes = modern day CSNY
>
>Which is much better than being the modern day Beatles from
>where I'm standing.
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>Like, much much better.
>
>~Austin

lol...at least that comparison actually makes sense. the real question, however, is: who is the modern day CCR?

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I don't know.

CCR was deemed 'uncool' at the time by the hippies who were mad at their top ten records.

Maybe My Morning Jacket or Hot Chip.

But they both suck, where CCR was awesome, so I dunno...

I think, in the grand scheme, CSN/CSNY is extremely underrated (well, the first two albums, anyway).

And don't even get me started on Buffalo Springfield. Half of these hipster idiots wouldn't even exist without them and they don't even realize it.

~Austin

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again or anything. But I think its kinda fucking RIDICULOUS how much people hate me for saying that I like Animal Collective on a really really high level. This is my opinion and you guys can fuck your mother if you think its 'not legit'. (not you specifically, just in general)

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But, to me, it seems... like, really *REALLY* obvious there's a lot you haven't heard to be making the claims that you are about Animal Collective.

And I thought this before the Beatles comparison.

And I think the Beatles are overrated and suck, just to be completely clear.

~Austin

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and I really like a lot of Animal Collective's stuff but all this shit you said?

FOH





PEACE

"The struggle of man against power is the struggle of memory against forgetting." - Kundera

but they're certainly a mark of how popular the beatles were.

animal collective will NEVER be that popular. EVER.

your constant comparing the two makes you look pretty bloody stupid, even if it is just because you're full of youthful enthusiasm.

Its not because there aren't qualified bands to take the place of a figure like The Beatles. Its because as a mainstream culture -- music is fucking dead and no one really misses it. That same logic you used against Animal Collective applies to every band out now

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I listened to this album while referring to the post....lotsa laughs.

It's funny cause it's true.

Even funnier...judging from the commentary, imcvspl is two or three listens away from falling in love with AC.

i don't think anyone would seriously say the beatles were the animal collective of their time, so why does anyone need the beatles to prop up animal collective today?

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https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-koelling-438a80

a comparison that gives people the idea of what the band is like quality-wise and song-wise and etc etc....just like how people say OutKast are The Beatles of Hip Hop

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band from the past to compare them to, not the beatles

the "wall of sound", the harmonies, the general kind of serene/enlightened/positive but quirky energy they both give off...its very clear to me

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a couple years ago he had me download off his server Panda Bear - Young Prayer... listening now, and this is some ol' bullshit!

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2637559&mesg_id=2637559&listing_type=search

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album ---> http://greenwoodburns.bandcamp.com/releases
Soundcloud ---> http://soundcloud.com/greenwood-burns

my own stuff -->http://soundcloud.com/lonesomedstringband

avy by buckshot_defunct

. . .suggested in Mumu that he was one of Howard's creations.

~Austin

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I'm actually a huge Animal Collective fan and will fiercely defend them (I admit I have a bias in favor of experimental music and really do think that most people refuse to or don't 'get it' because it's far outside of their comfort zones)

I even put together a list of AnCo's 40 Greatest Songs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msynuXERxIg

The AnCo comparisons can be best described if you break down the song structures, similarities in production, etc etc- the more tangible aspects of music; its components.

I lurk on a lot of alternative music message/discussion boards and the 'classic rock' band AnCo gets compared to the most is probably the Beach Boys- quirky singing, similar melodies, psychedelic soundscapes...

The repetition in chords I think is one of the silliest complaints since it's fairly obvious that they're utilizing and incorporating a lot of ambiance in their music on some early Pink Floyd meet Brian Eno shit...

The Beatles comparison I think, isn't extraordinarily outrageous, but maybe a bit of an exaggeration. The Beatles' more experimental songs are more comparable to AnCo's works, and AnCo's more 'conventional sounding' pop songs are more similar to the Beatles work. There still are other bands and artists who would probably be a more accurate comparison. But if anything, AnCo is in a lane of their own and do have a lot of other artists who sound just like them- which is a good thing.

I also think people putting The Beatles up on a holy pedestal in which other artists can never be compared to them is a bit cliche, (and this is coming from a big Beatles fan too). The Beatles is arguably the best band in music history and wrote phenomenal music, but so did many other artists, and the Beatles themselves had weak-points. Some contemporary comparisons should be fair game, even if the AnCo once might not be the best match.

Grizzly Bear and Fleet Foxes, as far as musicianship, talent, songwriting is probably closer to being on the same artistic level as The Beatles.

Comparisons are lame anyways though- we only use them to give clarity... so we can build a connection or develop an understanding of what one artist sounds like and how it's relative to others. But what people forget when they are comparing is to also look at the artist as an individual outside of those comparisons. Many artists would like to stand on their own and provide a voice for themselves, regardless of what they may or may not sound like.

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>But
>if anything, AnCo is in a lane of their own and do have a lot
>of other artists who sound just like them- which is a good
>thing.

not for me. as much as i liked MPP for a few weeks after it came out, it's inspired some of the most insipid and annoying music i've ever heard. fuck animal collective for that alone.


>I also think people putting The Beatles up on a holy pedestal
>in which other artists can never be compared to them is a bit
>cliche, (and this is coming from a big Beatles fan too). The
>Beatles is arguably the best band in music history and wrote
>phenomenal music, but so did many other artists, and the
>Beatles themselves had weak-points. Some contemporary
>comparisons should be fair game, even if the AnCo once might
>not be the best match.
>
>Grizzly Bear and Fleet Foxes, as far as musicianship, talent,
>songwriting is probably closer to being on the same artistic
>level as The Beatles.

*just points and snickers*

Your resistance seems to be a knee-jerk reaction...

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as a local group, i would love to love AnCo. it wouldn't be honest for me to pretend when i don't. i like some of their music and think they have talent. i also think a lot of their music is just terrible.