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"James "Jay Dee / J Dilla" Yancey is also the Hendrix of our Generation"


  

          

Yup. I said it.
Think about it hard.
Think about it real hard.

Yes apart of it stems from his passing. Yes unlike Jimi there will be many artists who will be able to surpass him (some who already have). But he laid down a musical blueprint like Jimi. And in his relatively short career left a legacy of music both official and unofficial that will be studied and listened to for the years to come.

Do the knowledge.
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How did Dilla "change" Hip Hop though?
Jan 17th 2010
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Is this a serious question?
Jan 17th 2010
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are you seriously comparing Dilla to someone who literally changed
Jan 17th 2010
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You realize Yoda was always right?
Jan 17th 2010
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Didn't I tell you we weren't gonna agree on this shit. You can compare
Jan 17th 2010
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      Did I say anything about agreeing? Yoda is always RIGHT!!!
Jan 17th 2010
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           this is true
Jan 17th 2010
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                in case you're wondering about the "also" in the og subject line
Jan 17th 2010
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                     shit, i'ont agree with that post either, lol
Jan 17th 2010
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Jan 17th 2010
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HA!! I been saying this forever... I even challenged ?uest on his
Jan 17th 2010
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      That has very much been my opinion on Dilla overall.
Jan 17th 2010
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      *whispers* don't tell anybody
Jan 17th 2010
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           RE: *whispers* don't tell anybody
Jan 17th 2010
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           genres should always be in quotes
Jan 17th 2010
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                understood
Jan 17th 2010
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                     Nosaj Thing and Exile were two examples recently raised round here
Jan 17th 2010
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                          eh...
Jan 17th 2010
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                               growth at times requires a broadening of definition
Jan 17th 2010
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                               FIXED: growth requires progression
Jan 17th 2010
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                                    If you don't hear progression in Nosaj Thing you don't want to.
Jan 17th 2010
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                                         lol...OR maybe what he is doing isn't really progressive!
Jan 17th 2010
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                                              RE: lol...OR maybe what he is doing isn't really progressive!
Jan 17th 2010
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                                                   RE: lol...OR maybe what he is doing isn't really progressive!
Jan 17th 2010
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                               RE: eh...
Jan 19th 2010
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           give me your best of influenced by Dilla producers I should check
Jan 17th 2010
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                there are no 'true disciples of Dilla' nor are there of Hendrix
Jan 17th 2010
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                     To me Prince is heavily influenced by Jimi, who's Dilla's Prince?
Jan 17th 2010
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                     At what point in Prince's career would you make this declaration?
Jan 17th 2010
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                     To me it's his stage presence... Prince's sound especially on For You
Jan 17th 2010
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                          I don't hear more than peripheral influence on For You and Prince
Jan 17th 2010
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                               Prince DOESN'T measure up to Jimi in my world, but the influence is
Jan 17th 2010
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                                    that's why i went to specifics on technique
Jan 17th 2010
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                                         and THAT'S why I hear Jimi... you clearly hear Dilla, I haven't been
Jan 17th 2010
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                                              OH SHIT!! We agree.
Jan 17th 2010
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                                                   of course HA!!
Jan 17th 2010
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                     jimi is not one of p's main influences
Jan 19th 2010
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                     Can you answer post #28 please?
Jan 17th 2010
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                     no response huh.... n/m
Jan 17th 2010
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                          uhhh post #46
Jan 17th 2010
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                               my bad...I didn't see it. n/m
Jan 17th 2010
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                     eddie hazel would strongly disagree with you
Jan 17th 2010
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                          elsewhere i mentioned ernie n/m
Jan 17th 2010
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I agree. It isn't a knock to Dilla though.
Jan 17th 2010
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      But can you articulate how Hendrix 'revolutionized rock n roll'?
Jan 17th 2010
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           Axis: Bold As Love -- read up on how that was produced
Jan 17th 2010
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                You're talking to me about Hendrix not his influence.
Jan 17th 2010
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                     the first 3:35 can articulate it for him...
Jan 17th 2010
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                     "and I went on afterwards and I just stood and strummed"
Jan 17th 2010
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                          THAT is the stand out quote, HA!!
Jan 17th 2010
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                     Listen to the music. Watch videos of him live. Music changed
Jan 17th 2010
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                          Pay attention to what I am asking...
Jan 17th 2010
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                               LOL
Jan 17th 2010
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                                    is that 'all there is to it'? LOL!!
Jan 17th 2010
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                                         I'd rather educate you on more modern acts
Jan 17th 2010
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                                              Hendrix had a specific rhythm technique
Jan 17th 2010
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                                              animal collective are not all that innovative at all.
Jan 18th 2010
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                                              someone hasn't heard feels, get the fuck outta here telling me that
Jan 18th 2010
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                                              this exchange reminds me of k_orr's infamous rakim post
Jan 18th 2010
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Can you go a little deeper?
Jan 17th 2010
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That's the yoda reply... there is no deeper.
Jan 17th 2010
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hmmm...then this thread is bordering on Hip Hop revisionism
Jan 17th 2010
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RE: Can you go a little deeper?
Jan 17th 2010
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      So how would you compare Dilla to Madlib?
Jan 17th 2010
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      Somewhere above I admitted a lot of it is consequential...
Jan 17th 2010
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      hmmmm.........
Jan 17th 2010
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           ^^^any response to this? n/m
Jan 17th 2010
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           RE: hmmmm.........
Jan 17th 2010
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                RE: hmmmm.........
Jan 17th 2010
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                RE: hmmmm.........
Jan 19th 2010
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EVERYBODY WHO QUESTIONS DILLA'S LEGACY SHD BE ASKED THIS
Jan 17th 2010
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I believed it has
Jan 18th 2010
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Nah. The Notorious BIG would be the closest.
Jan 17th 2010
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Not enough output.
Jan 17th 2010
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tupac
Jan 17th 2010
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just edited #4 on this one.
Jan 17th 2010
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primo
Jan 17th 2010
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i accounted for him in #3
Jan 17th 2010
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jay-z
Jan 17th 2010
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"ungh!"
Jan 17th 2010
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Jay Z and Hendrix
Jan 17th 2010
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peter rock n roll
Jan 17th 2010
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i'll illustrate something with this example
Jan 17th 2010
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until the electric goes out
Jan 17th 2010
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*beat boxes "lightworks" to this reply*
Jan 17th 2010
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Dude is not that iconic
Jan 17th 2010
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*throws on "JDilla Changed My Life" t-shirt*
Jan 17th 2010
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so he is moderately iconic?
Jan 19th 2010
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      lol u know wat he means bitch
Jan 19th 2010
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           dont tell me what i know
Jan 19th 2010
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                tell u wat I know....keep fuckin round & u'll have a dectum in ur rectum
Jan 19th 2010
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                     dont tell me what you know either
Jan 19th 2010
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                          you do the same with these gay ass Dilla posts
Jan 20th 2010
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                               fight me, b*tch
May 04th 2011
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Rakim
Jan 17th 2010
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strong case could be made but post #17 also deals with him.
Jan 17th 2010
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RE: Rakim
Jan 17th 2010
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Dj Shadow. where does he fit into this? The Janis Joplin?
Jan 17th 2010
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LOL @ Janis Joplin!!!
Jan 17th 2010
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the cd shrinkwrap sticker on "endroducing"
Jan 19th 2010
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RE: James "Jay Dee / J Dilla" Yancey is also the Hendrix of our Generati...
Jan 17th 2010
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no. no, he's not.
Jan 17th 2010
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are you going to just say 'no' or are you prepared to give it weight?
Jan 17th 2010
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he really isnt.
Jan 17th 2010
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the thing about dilla is not many of his beats had that impact
Jan 17th 2010
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most valid counter point: no live chops
Jan 17th 2010
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i thought about this a bit more
Jan 17th 2010
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      strong reply n/m
Jan 17th 2010
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      for argument sake...
Jan 17th 2010
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           ive never seen that
Jan 17th 2010
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i thought about this....
Jan 17th 2010
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      erm that would be kanye man
Jan 17th 2010
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           yeah... kinda... you right
Jan 17th 2010
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                dilla did bring some rythmic innovations
Jan 17th 2010
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SPACE RESERVED FOR POPWELL!!!
Jan 17th 2010
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don't fuck around, chum
Jan 17th 2010
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      ^^^ official seal of approval ^^^
Jan 17th 2010
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dilla is not even top 5 most influential of his own ERA much less of
Jan 17th 2010
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myopics are a bitch
Jan 17th 2010
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dude ur giving no specific examples tho. u realize ppl were playing
Jan 17th 2010
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your initial reply didn't warrant specific examples.
Jan 17th 2010
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like it or not but T Pain has influenced hip hop more than Dilla
Jan 17th 2010
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      show me in my original post where i limited this generation to hip-hop
Jan 17th 2010
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           um u realize hip hop is a sub set of music right.....
Jan 18th 2010
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                smh
Jan 19th 2010
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"do ya'll listen to music...or do you just skim through it?"
Jan 17th 2010
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      ^^^an example of how dying young can elevate someone to mythical levels
Jan 17th 2010
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      Dilla saved me from gaining 5 pounds... last night I saw the "Hot"
Jan 17th 2010
      u cannot say that....
Jan 17th 2010
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      yes I can because it is *my* opinion...nothing more and nothing less
Jan 17th 2010
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           aight cool....it's just that personally...i'm yet to see...
Jan 17th 2010
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                RE: aight cool....it's just that personally...i'm yet to see...
Jan 17th 2010
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      how you gonna tell everyone else their opinion?
Jan 19th 2010
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      Nigga
Jan 17th 2010
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           but honestly..who are you to say how someone affected another's life...
Jan 17th 2010
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                u right
Jan 17th 2010
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you need to point out artists/djs/bands/tracks if you're making that sta...
Jan 18th 2010
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      no disrespect to you but
Jan 18th 2010
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           yeah i just went through this whole thread and found nothing
Jan 19th 2010
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                welcome to the party
Jan 19th 2010
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                     RE: welcome to the party
Jan 19th 2010
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                          you're putting words into my mouth...
Jan 19th 2010
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                               RE: you're putting words into my mouth...
Jan 19th 2010
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go dig a hole.
Jan 19th 2010
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Dilla: hip hop:: Anvil: heavy metal
Jan 17th 2010
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RE: Dilla: hip hop:: Anvil: heavy metal:: Hendrix:Rock N Roll
Jan 17th 2010
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      please.
Jan 17th 2010
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      Hendrix was at one point a huge mainstream success.
Jan 17th 2010
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           Good point.
Jan 17th 2010
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           But do we say he's great because of his mainstream success?
Jan 17th 2010
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                No. But he had mainstream success. Dilla didn't.
Jan 18th 2010
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RE: James "Jay Dee / J Dilla" Yancey is also the Hendrix of our Generati...
Jan 17th 2010
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But who has already surpassed Dilla?
Jan 17th 2010
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Without question - MADLIB
Jan 17th 2010
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      I don't agree
Jan 17th 2010
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      I'm one of them too
Jan 18th 2010
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           Once and for all
Jan 18th 2010
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                actually I am serious, cumchomper
Jan 19th 2010
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                     Honestly MS has so many BORING beats
Jan 19th 2010
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                     I don't build with faggots
Jan 19th 2010
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                          RE: I don't build with faggots
Jan 19th 2010
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                               i've heard all the madlib
Jan 19th 2010
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                                    thats one album, HOMOHOUSER
Jan 19th 2010
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      how is that undebatable?
Jan 19th 2010
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           it's real simple...
Jan 20th 2010
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                orly?
Jan 20th 2010
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                     *plays "The Healer" to this reply*
Jan 20th 2010
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                          nice reply
May 04th 2011
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Clearly you are an elitist and your posts come off
Jan 17th 2010
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clearly you don't know who the fuck i am
Jan 17th 2010
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      RE: clearly you don't know who the fuck i am
Jan 17th 2010
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muhahahahahahhahahaaha
Jan 17th 2010
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Main difference: Everyone who listened to rock knew who Jimi was
Jan 17th 2010
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yeah, pretty luda comparison...
Jan 17th 2010
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Sure, but we're talking influence not popularity.
Jan 17th 2010
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Addendum to address specifics
Jan 17th 2010
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      It has nothing to do with fame
Jan 18th 2010
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           peep
Jan 18th 2010
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                you could also say the same thing for Primo or Pete easily
Jan 18th 2010
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                i've accounted for them above
Jan 18th 2010
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                I'm sorry but this is some BULLSHIT
Jan 18th 2010
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                     it's not that serious and takes nothing from Hendrix
Jan 18th 2010
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                          fair enough but I respectfully disagree! n/m
Jan 18th 2010
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RE: Main difference: Everyone who listened to rock knew who Jimi was
Jan 17th 2010
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you do realize that jimmy not only changed rock, but funk & soul
Jan 17th 2010
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RE: you do realize that dilla not only changed hip-hop, but pop & soul
Jan 17th 2010
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      *lol* you might wanna stick to hip-hop, dilla didn't touch soul
Jan 17th 2010
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      "Hip-Hop, is bigger than the government... this one is for dilla hip-hop...
Jan 17th 2010
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      you're giving him WAAAAAAY too much credit
Jan 17th 2010
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           keep your rocket in your pocket popp
Jan 17th 2010
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           oh I ain't coming off on you
Jan 17th 2010
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           Eh, point of information
Dec 16th 2011
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If we limit &quot;our generation&quot; to Detroit hip-hop, yes.
Jan 17th 2010
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it wont?
Dec 16th 2011
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/
Jan 17th 2010
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YOU CAME BACK!!!
Jan 17th 2010
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somebody has studied how to make a buildingblock post 101
Jan 17th 2010
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..lol..i came in here to post this initially, but got distracted n/m
Jan 17th 2010
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LOL!! imcvspl is the buildingblock of this lesson generation
Jan 17th 2010
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Ha....a classic OKP moment right chea..!
Jan 18th 2010
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      i had to keep checkin' the name to make sure i ain't made this!
Jan 19th 2010
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I could see the validity in that but i dont agree
Jan 17th 2010
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can't be Jimi of the generation sampeling......sorry...
Jan 17th 2010
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say more, where's the limitation in dilla or the format?
Jan 17th 2010
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      the limitation is in the medium....
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           hmmmmmm....
Jan 17th 2010
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           Yes you can
Jan 18th 2010
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           jay z and basketball are apples and oranges...music is music
Jan 18th 2010
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                thats just your little box
Jan 19th 2010
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           dilla was written/arranged original material same as hendrix
Jan 19th 2010
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wowsers, you've outdone yourself this time.
Jan 18th 2010
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the thread that keeps on giving
Jan 18th 2010
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RUN DMC
Jan 18th 2010
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It took a long time for Hendrix's
Jan 18th 2010
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most of the artists that have the most impact aren't appreciated
Jan 18th 2010
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RE: James "Jay Dee / J Dilla" Yancey is also the Hendrix of our Generati...
Jan 18th 2010
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more like 3 1/2
Jan 18th 2010
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      RE: more like 3 1/2
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Incorrect.
Jan 19th 2010
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Nah bub
Jan 19th 2010
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RE: James "Jay Dee / J Dilla" Yancey is also the Hendrix of our Generati...
Jan 19th 2010
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2X http://i49.tinypic.com/2cyimgz.jpg
Jan 19th 2010
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trying to decide if the reaction to this is better/worse than me'shell
Jan 20th 2010
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i love this post
Oct 14th 2010
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lol @ u hatin ass haters
Jan 20th 2010
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up
May 04th 2011
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no one said tupac?!
May 04th 2011
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You're kidding
May 04th 2011
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hell no. hendrix changed the way people conceptualized the guitar.
May 05th 2011
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Ableton Live became what it is after Dilla died
May 05th 2011
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dude, hendrix made feedback a good thing.
May 05th 2011
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if you think hendrix invented feedback....
May 05th 2011
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fair enough. i don't know who those people are.
May 05th 2011
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Nobody was programming drums like Jay Dee.
May 05th 2011
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Hate to burst your idiot bubble, but deadmau5 changed Ableton Live
Dec 16th 2011
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dilla changed the way people conceptualized the chop
May 06th 2011
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This post is over a year old and yall still can't shut it down
May 05th 2011
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I won't be so bold.
May 05th 2011
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that influence has been there...
May 05th 2011
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I usually go to GD to get my laughs, but this was a good one...
May 05th 2011
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Dilla...
May 05th 2011
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      you're going all overboard with your point
May 06th 2011
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           RE: you're going all overboard with your point
May 06th 2011
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           RE: you're going all overboard with your point
Dec 16th 2011
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I was gonna say this Dilla stannery has reached cult status...
May 06th 2011
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it really has been cult status for quite some time.
Dec 15th 2011
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Lol, this is one of the dumbest shock posts in the history of the lesson...
Dec 16th 2011
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Whatever.
Dec 16th 2011
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Nothing Dilla did with an MPC has opened doors for anyone.
Dec 16th 2011
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      You clearly have no idea.
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           Yes I do, I love both artists.
Dec 16th 2011
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                What Hendrix accomplished with a guitar...
Dec 16th 2011
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                     Hendrix had freakishly big hands...
Dec 17th 2011
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RE: Lol, this is one of the dumbest shock posts in the history of the le...
Dec 16th 2011
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      TWO YEAR OLD POST
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           I used to think you had some sense/knowledge of music.
Dec 16th 2011
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                did _you_ really just say this?
Dec 16th 2011
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                     I'm not bored when I'm writing shock posts tho
Dec 17th 2011
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                          LMAO.
Dec 17th 2011
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Who you be, baby? Jimi Hendrix can't work a beat thing!
Dec 17th 2011
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sorry dude. but this is a fuckin ignorant statement. jay dee was the
Dec 17th 2011
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cross-post
Jun 27th 2012
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can we get some moderation in here today?
Jul 25th 2012
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1. "How did Dilla "change" Hip Hop though?"
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If he changed it from your stance, what was it before and what is it now?

Hip Hop evolves so much and so fast(from a sound perspective), but it hasn't evoled in regards to content... I believe the Jimi of Hip Hop hasn't happened yet, though we've had a glimpse here and there--> Pac, Andre 3000, Lauryn. I think the Jimi of hip hop will change the lyrical content vs the sound... at least I hope so.

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3. "Is this a serious question?"
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>If he changed it from your stance, what was it before and
>what is it now?

Are you limiting hip-hop to what is popular?

He made the instrument of hip-hop a forefront player, where as before it was limited to playing a supporting role. There were people who did/attempted to do it before, but it became with Dilla.
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5. "are you seriously comparing Dilla to someone who literally changed"
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Rock n Roll?

Dilla DID NOT change Hip Hop. And no this isn't about what's popular, bcuz we all know how OKP feels about popularity. You really gave me a Yoda response to the question BTW. What Jimi brought to rock n roll FAR exceeded what Dilla brought to producing IMO. Dilla has a cult following. He shouldn't be mentioned in the same post as Jimi. But we ain't gonna agree on this shit, I already know it.

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6. "You realize Yoda was always right?"
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>What Jimi
>brought to rock n roll FAR exceeded what Dilla brought to
>producing IMO.

Can you give me a Yoda response illustrating that?

>Dilla has a cult following. He shouldn't be
>mentioned in the same post as Jimi. But we ain't gonna agree
>on this shit, I already know it.

It's funny how cats like to remember Jimi. I'm assuming you're black. And based on that assumption back when Jimi was alive you would have been saying something to the affect of "Jimi has a cult following." Decades later though you're ready to openly embrace his legacy as untouchable particularly as it relates to not every having to take black rock seriously because you know, no one could be better than Jimi, and besides Black Rock has a 'cult following.'

Yeah I'm overgeneralizing and making assumptions about you, but fuck it. You ain't said nothing worth more than its weight in salt, and considering this is a messageboard...

YODA!!!

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12. "Didn't I tell you we weren't gonna agree on this shit. You can compare"
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Dilla to Tchaikovsky if you want to, it's not gonna change the fact that Dilla's overall influence of the sound of Hip Hop is limited. Kanye has had more influence imo. Outside of OKP and a few underground heads I know, Dilla is pretty anonymous. You might as well compare Cody Chestnutt to Jimi at this point.

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14. "Did I say anything about agreeing? Yoda is always RIGHT!!!"
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16. "this is true"
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18. "in case you're wondering about the "also" in the og subject line"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=17&topic_id=104783&mesg_id=104783&page=6

I've treaded this road before.
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21. "shit, i'ont agree with that post either, lol"
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20. "HA!! I been saying this forever... I even challenged ?uest on his"
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abilty to make good music vs. technical music

I've heard just about everything Dilla has put out and I still give
his catalogue a 4/10 at BEST. Does he chop up and create interesting
sounds, sure, but does that mean it sounds good--> no. For every 1 Dilla track I like, there are about 5 that I don't. But if you're in to his sound, there's nothing wrong with that... you just hear something I don't.

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23. "That has very much been my opinion on Dilla overall."
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26. "*whispers* don't tell anybody"
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>But if you're in to his sound, there's nothing wrong with
>that... you just hear something I don't.

I'm not *that* into his sound.

But I am 'into' a lot of the music that has resulted from his influence and it has forced me to go back and do his work justice. I still am not at ?uesto levels of awe with it, but I understand the fruits based on the tree he established. Theses fruits have spawned new 'genres' that have taken life of their own. That in and of itself is on par with hendrix (note on par not the same). Hendrix redefined a genre. Dilla spawned new ones. So to go back on your question, did he even have to change 'hip-hop'? I contend in a few years 'hip-hop' will have to change itself to account for him and his spawns.

Think about it.

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28. "RE: *whispers* don't tell anybody"
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>I understand the fruits based on the tree he established.
>Theses fruits have spawned new 'genres' that have taken life
>of their own. That in and of itself is on par with hendrix
>(note on par not the same). Hendrix redefined a genre. Dilla
>spawned new ones.

What new genres of music are you referring to?

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46. "genres should always be in quotes"
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>What new genres of music are you referring to?

Time will tell how they play out but considering some hip-hop heads would separate them from hip-hop and thrust them into electronic music categorically, while some electronica would categorically thrust them distinguishably from electronic music as hip-hop is telling that there is a newness about them distinct from either classification. That said as I said above I think hip-hop will end up changing its definition to include them in the future.
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60. "understood"
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>>What new genres of music are you referring to?
>
>Time will tell how they play out but considering some hip-hop
>heads would separate them from hip-hop and thrust them into
>electronic music categorically, while some electronica would
>categorically thrust them distinguishably from electronic
>music as hip-hop is telling that there is a newness about them
>distinct from either classification. That said as I said
>above I think hip-hop will end up changing its definition to
>include them in the future.


Who is the "them" that you are referring to? I need you to give names and examples.

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63. "Nosaj Thing and Exile were two examples recently raised round here"
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Exile being considered instrumental hip-hop. Nosaj Thing not being considered hip-hop. Both fall under the influence of Dilla. Doing distinctly different things. And yet agreement about how they should be classified is iffy.
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70. "eh..."
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>Exile being considered instrumental hip-hop. Nosaj Thing not
>being considered hip-hop. Both fall under the influence of
>Dilla. Doing distinctly different things. And yet agreement
>about how they should be classified is iffy.


Well I can see why Nosaj Thing is not considered Hip Hop. From what I have heard, there are way too many electronica elements, sounds and production techniques employed to classify that music as Hip Hop. The sound is just way too trippy and not in a soulful way at all.

As far as Exile goes, though I like some of what I have heard, I'm not hearing anything too different from what Dilla was doing when he was alive. Unfortunately, that is the case with alot of these cats who proudly claim they were influenced by Dilla. They don't seem to be building on his legacy at all. To my ears, many of them are only imitating and copying...often times in a very bad and mediocre way. I'm not hearing the progression within the Hip Hop context at all.





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73. "growth at times requires a broadening of definition"
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>Well I can see why Nosaj Thing is not considered Hip Hop. From
>what I have heard, there are way too many electronica
>elements, sounds and production techniques employed to
>classify that music as Hip Hop. The sound is just way too
>trippy and not in a soulful way at all.

Nosaj Thing is hip-hop. He's not just hip-hop, but he is hip-hop. One day hip-hop will be able to embrace it (especially if he goes from remixing rappers to working with them). Fortunately he doesn't HAVE to get the full embrace to keep doing his thing.

>As far as Exile goes, though I like some of what I have heard,
>I'm not hearing anything too different from what Dilla was
>doing when he was alive. Unfortunately, that is the case with
>alot of these cats who proudly claim they were influenced by
>Dilla. They don't seem to be building on his legacy at all. To
>my ears, many of them are only imitating and copying...often
>times in a very bad and mediocre way. I'm not hearing the
>progression within the Hip Hop context at all.

There is newness that Exile brings to the table, and a handful of others. I don't see him in the imitators category at all. The fact that he also has live chops alone is an addition. But technique wise he's got somethings. Getting the average fan to talk about them is another story. I'd articulate them here, but not without listening again to point out specifics. Unfortunately can't do that right now.

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76. "FIXED: growth requires progression"
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>Nosaj Thing is hip-hop. He's not just hip-hop, but he is
>hip-hop. One day hip-hop will be able to embrace it
>(especially if he goes from remixing rappers to working with
>them). Fortunately he doesn't HAVE to get the full embrace to
>keep doing his thing.

lol...He may be "Hip Hop" but I'm not hearing that prominently in his musical output. It's kind of like how you have some of these indie rock bands who utilize certain Hip Hop production techniques (like big heavy sampled drum sounds for example) but that doesn't mean they are making Hip Hop music. When I hear his music I don't immediately think "yeah that's Hip Hop" moreso than I think "yeah that is Hip Hop inspired". I think the audience for his style of music is limited. I don't think he will be embraced on a larger scale (not necessarily meaning mainstream popularity) until he can produce music that can fit into the current Hip Hop context while still being undeniably progressive. His shit doesn't "bang" nor is it particularly "soulful". Hip Hop music tends to lean in either one of those directions. Thus, he has to show he can be consistent doing one of those two styles of Hip Hop music, with his own progressive spin on it, before he will begin to be embraced...if being embraced within Hip Hop is even a goal of his.


>There is newness that Exile brings to the table, and a handful
>of others. I don't see him in the imitators category at all.
>The fact that he also has live chops alone is an addition.
>But technique wise he's got somethings. Getting the average
>fan to talk about them is another story. I'd articulate them
>here, but not without listening again to point out specifics.
>Unfortunately can't do that right now.


That's cool. Perhaps at another time then.


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83. "If you don't hear progression in Nosaj Thing you don't want to."
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>lol...He may be "Hip Hop" but I'm not hearing that prominently
>in his musical output. It's kind of like how you have some of
>these indie rock bands who utilize certain Hip Hop production
>techniques (like big heavy sampled drum sounds for example)
>but that doesn't mean they are making Hip Hop music.

Why hip-hop sucks in 2010? © DJ Shadow
The notion that "hip-hop" is anything more than technique.
^^^ bait^^^

>I think
>the audience for his style of music is limited.

LOL!!! His audience is broader than a lot of 'hip-hop' cats.

>I don't think
>he will be embraced on a larger scale (not necessarily meaning
>mainstream popularity) until he can produce music that can fit
>into the current Hip Hop context while still being undeniably
>progressive.

He doesn't need to prove himself to hip-hop.

>His shit doesn't "bang" nor is it particularly
>"soulful".

I'd suggest you listen more. He makes shit that bangs. He also makes shit that is soulful (without soul samples). Sometimes in the same song. Not always. Like true hip-hop he has no limits. Remember when DJ's were spinning punk shit. What that wasn't hip-hop? Punk don't bang nor is it soulful. A lot of Bomb Squad lacks 'soulfulness' and what?

>Hip Hop music tends to lean in either one of those
>directions.

Myopic hip-hop does. But that's boring and lifeless.

^^^ more bait ^^^

>Thus, he has to show he can be consistent doing
>one of those two styles of Hip Hop music, with his own
>progressive spin on it, before he will begin to be
>embraced...if being embraced within Hip Hop is even a goal of
>his.

Again, he don't need hip-hop. But compare the original Drake "Forever" to the Nosaj Thing remix and you'll see that perhaps hip-hop could use him.


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89. "lol...OR maybe what he is doing isn't really progressive! "
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>LOL!!! His audience is broader than a lot of 'hip-hop' cats.

How so?


>He doesn't need to prove himself to hip-hop.

If you want to be embraced by Hip Hop then yes you need to prove yourself to that community that what you are doing is worthy of attention.



>I'd suggest you listen more. He makes shit that bangs. He
>also makes shit that is soulful (without soul samples).
>Sometimes in the same song. Not always. Like true hip-hop he
>has no limits. Remember when DJ's were spinning punk shit.
>What that wasn't hip-hop? Punk don't bang nor is it soulful.
>A lot of Bomb Squad lacks 'soulfulness' and what?


Perhaps we have different tastes regarding what "bangs" and what is "soulful". Can you point out some examples of tracks by him that "bang" or are "soulful" to you?

Some DJ's were spinning punk records yes, but they weren't calling it Hip Hop. lol


As far as the Bomb Squad goes, it depends on what era you are talking about. Their work with Public Enemy and Ice Cube was at times both soulful AND banging. Nowadays they are more into Dub Step but I don't see Shocklee trying to pass it off as Hip Hop though.


>Again, he don't need hip-hop. But compare the original Drake
>"Forever" to the Nosaj Thing remix and you'll see that perhaps
>hip-hop could use him.

Well I never said that he needed Hip Hop but you seem to be implying that he wants some kind of Hip Hop acceptance. Thus, I gave my opinion on what he needs to do to get that. *shrugs*

As far as the Drake remix...you're talking about this right

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMNHLkm1WeY

The only thing that even makes that even remotely Hip Hop is the fact that Drake is on it! lol It's okay I guess but eh...

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97. "RE: lol...OR maybe what he is doing isn't really progressive! "
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>>LOL!!! His audience is broader than a lot of 'hip-hop'
>cats.
>
>How so?

I could be wrong but I think he could outsell a venue than a grip of hip-hop beatmakers, and a fair share of MC's.

>
>>He doesn't need to prove himself to hip-hop.
>
>If you want to be embraced by Hip Hop then yes you need to
>prove yourself to that community that what you are doing is
>worthy of attention.

I never said he wants to be embraced. Should he be. Yes. Does he need or want to, nope.

>Perhaps we have different tastes regarding what "bangs" and
>what is "soulful". Can you point out some examples of tracks
>by him that "bang" or are "soulful" to you?

I'd say that Forever remix bangs and is soulful, by example, but you'd disagree. *shrug*

>Some DJ's were spinning punk records yes, but they weren't
>calling it Hip Hop. lol

*record scratch* Grandmaster Flash et al are all looking at you sideways.

>As far as the Bomb Squad goes, it depends on what era you are
>talking about. Their work with Public Enemy and Ice Cube was
>at times both soulful AND banging.

At times. But at times neither. Still hip-hop though.

>Well I never said that he needed Hip Hop but you seem to be
>implying that he wants some kind of Hip Hop acceptance. Thus,
>I gave my opinion on what he needs to do to get that.
>*shrugs*

Nah I'm implying hip-hop needs to embrace him. He don't need nothing, really. He doing fine.

>As far as the Drake remix...you're talking about this right
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>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMNHLkm1WeY
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>The only thing that even makes that even remotely Hip Hop is
>the fact that Drake is on it! lol It's okay I guess but eh...

The drums!!

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98. "RE: lol...OR maybe what he is doing isn't really progressive! "
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>I could be wrong but I think he could outsell a venue than a
>grip of hip-hop beatmakers, and a fair share of MC's.

The operative word being "could". There are alot of cats that theoretically "could" but will they? Until he does...eh. lol



>I never said he wants to be embraced. Should he be. Yes.
>Does he need or want to, nope.


Okay.


>I'd say that Forever remix bangs and is soulful, by example,
>but you'd disagree. *shrug*


Yikes. lol I definitely disagree!


>*record scratch* Grandmaster Flash et al are all looking at
>you sideways.

Well give me some examples then...and please don't say Blondie or The Beastie Boys! lol


>At times. But at times neither. Still hip-hop though.


At times neither soulful or banging...huh? That's revisionism sir!


>Nah I'm implying hip-hop needs to embrace him. He don't need
>nothing, really. He doing fine.


Okay.


>The drums!!

Eh...it didn't move me but the fact you emphatically said "the drums" highlights an earlier point I made referencing some indie rock bands. Just because someone uses a known element of Hip Hop production doesn't mean what they are doing is also Hip Hop. *shrugs*

And just to bring it back to Jimi for a second...Jimi Hendrix revolutionized Rock music yes, but what he was doing was still within the confines of what makes up that genre. He was being progressive while remaining true to what people would deem the roots of the music.

I'm not hearing that with Nosaj at all...








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189. "RE: eh..."
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>Well I can see why Nosaj Thing is not considered Hip Hop. From
>what I have heard, there are way too many electronica
>elements, sounds and production techniques employed to
>classify that music as Hip Hop. The sound is just way too
>trippy and not in a soulful way at all.


who says hiphop has to be soulful? is eminem soulful?
the man remixed drake. thats hiphop





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30. "give me your best of influenced by Dilla producers I should check "
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34. "there are no 'true disciples of Dilla' nor are there of Hendrix"
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the notion of a true disciple implies 'studied under' not just 'studied'. they don't exist for either artist.

if you refine your request to something that exists i might be able to comply, but depending upon why you're asking you may have reached a conclusion before i can respond.
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37. "To me Prince is heavily influenced by Jimi, who's Dilla's Prince?"
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39. "At what point in Prince's career would you make this declaration?"
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After his first album or after his fifth? Tenth?

Many of those who could qualify for Dilla are still on their first or second album, as such it would be easy to shoot them down now.

That said search the boards for the Nosaj Thing post.
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43. "To me it's his stage presence... Prince's sound especially on For You"
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was a hybrid of funk(parliment), rock(Jimi), and soul(Sly)... and I believe the infusion of all those sounds were superbly done. His live show is purely Jimi and James(more Jimi IMO). Obviously his style/appearance was Jimi all day. For You and Prince were kinda similar. Dirty Mind imo was Prince finding himself and his sound, and ultimately began to create his own brand.

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48. "I don't hear more than peripheral influence on For You and Prince"
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a lot more style over substance/technique to the influence as a whole. I mean are there any Jimi-esque solos from Prince that really measure up? Did Prince adopt Hendrix's rhythm chops?
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50. "Prince DOESN'T measure up to Jimi in my world, but the influence is"
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there.

Jimi's style costarred to his substance. Even those who try to minimize his overall influence try to focus on the hocus pocus stage and guitar tricks, but they can NEVER discredit the sound. What came from Jimi's guitar was pure soul music in a rock n roll format.

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51. "that's why i went to specifics on technique"
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>Jimi's style costarred to his substance. Even those who try to
>minimize his overall influence try to focus on the hocus pocus
>stage and guitar tricks, but they can NEVER discredit the
>sound.

IMHO the definitive part of Hendrix usually goes understated and his superior rhythm technique. And a big separation point for him and Dilla is that pretty much no one (maybe Ernie Isley) ever really could match up to that. However copyable, thoug Dilla drums are on par with it. I should say, a lot of folk do good imitation but few actually can really get it down to a tee. And on par with Hendrix, a lot of folk think its 'the drums' but a lot of it has to do with the hi-hats which most imitators ignore completely ala Hendrix's rhythm work.

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61. "and THAT'S why I hear Jimi... you clearly hear Dilla, I haven't been"
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able to capture him yet. Once I heard Jimi, I could listen to anything he'd ever done, because it made sense. It took me listening to The Wind Cries Mary to really start paying attention, but when I finally bought Axis and heard the intro to Little Wing, I was with him. I haven't heard Dilla's Little Wing yet.

I think Dilla's peers that really appreciate him saw: him work, create, the passion, the pain... they loved him. To them, there may
never be another Dilla... likewise, to Jimi's peers, there will never be another Jimi.

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64. "OH SHIT!! We agree."
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66. "of course HA!!"
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190. "jimi is not one of p's main influences"
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42. "Can you answer post #28 please? "
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I came into this topic without a yay or nay opinion. I have never heard anyone compare Dilla to Hendrix so I am asking questions out of a genuine interest in the topic.

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55. "no response huh.... n/m"
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58. "uhhh post #46"
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59. "my bad...I didn't see it. n/m"
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99. "eddie hazel would strongly disagree with you"
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as would mike hampton & ernie isley.

just because they didn't study under hendrix doesn't mean that they're not disciples of jimi.

that's like saying just because mark washington didn't study under larry graham, he's not a disciple of him or his style.

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113. "elsewhere i mentioned ernie n/m"
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75. "I agree. It isn't a knock to Dilla though."
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Its just saying that no one has fucking revolutionized Hip Hop really all at once like Hendrix did to R&R. If you had to pick "Who was the most innovative in Hip Hop" Dilla would be up there at the top

  

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78. "But can you articulate how Hendrix 'revolutionized rock n roll'?"
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Especially considering what came after, and the (sic) state of rock today?

Serious question.

What are the elements of Hendrix that we still here today?
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82. "Axis: Bold As Love -- read up on how that was produced"
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The techniques, Hendrix was innovating so hard on all of his albums. His first album was basically taking the outdated R&R of the time and adding psychedelic flavor. The second two albums created a lot of techniques that later became standard. I remember I read a post by quest talking about how he wishes he could've seen what Hendrix would've done today (basically stating that being as he blew people's minds innovation-wise back in the late 60s, with the technology out today.....). This is just counting studio-innovation, not even considering his live act and his beautiful mentality when it came to life, the world and music displayed in his interviews. I get choked up watching those.

  

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84. "You're talking to me about Hendrix not his influence."
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How did it trickle down into the music we now refer to as Rock N Roll?

Best you can pull from Axis is that he invented the phaser, but the phaser isn't a definitive sound of Rock N Roll.

What I'm asking you to articulate is how Hendrix techniques became standards in Rock N Roll.
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87. "the first 3:35 can articulate it for him..."
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90. ""and I went on afterwards and I just stood and strummed""
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LOL!!

That really captures what I mean.
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93. "THAT is the stand out quote, HA!!"
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116. "Listen to the music. Watch videos of him live. Music changed"
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after he came to the scene. That's all there is to it. He took music to places people never thought it could go.

  

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125. "Pay attention to what I am asking..."
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Note: since I've asked 'nicely' more than once now, forgive me if i 'go in'

Don't run up in *my post with hendrix in the subject line* (as opposed to my hendrix post as this isn't necessarily one of those) trying to school me on hendrix. I know the story. Not only that I'm one of those cats that gets real sensitive around his name. I respect him in the highest high and wouldn't put words to mouth that I think would tarnish his name. I wouldn't raise someone to his level without thoroughly thinking through how I'm doing so. It's something folk coming in here with there one liners are taking for granted. You know how johnbook is a bout The Beatles? That's how I am about Hendrix. And from all angles too. Live, studio, personal life. You want to know about it, I can probably tell ya or tell ya who knows.

So there's no need to tell me to do my 'homework' especially considering I know how you 'do yours'. (<<< that was the jab at you. look around i take jabs at everyone don't take it personal).

Now let's start over. Can you articulate how Jimi's influence has trickled down to the rock n roll we see today?

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141. "LOL"
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So many times at so many things, LOL. What the fuck is the point of me continuing this conversation, at all. If you know everything about Hendrix (lol like you can 'claim' another human for yourself lmfao) then why am I even having this conversation with you? I actually had a third answer written for you but this whole topic you are just so up your own ass. Take a walk or something man. Not just music, the entire world was effected by the messages of freedom and peace present in those solos -- the concept that anything could be possible. Hendrix was bigger than music and you asking for whether or not Rock musicians today have music that wouldn't have existed / did not have some sort of technique used by Hendrix from the 60s to establish this pseudo-definition in your mind is just hilarious. L.O.L. You claim you are a huge hendrix fan, but I'm not sure if you really got the point of his music.

OH SHIT HERE COMES A FLAMESFEST WHICH GUESS WHAT I COULDNT REALLY CARE ABOUT LOLZ. This topic is so fucking stupid. Real talk if you are looking for the type of answer you are looking for, Aphex Twin comes way closer. Aphex Twin has had ridiculous impact of instrumental music. Also, I'd point to Autechre too. Dilla was an incredible producer and the music he made had a certain approach to it that, even though it wasn't -technically- on the level of AFX it had elements to it that no one else had really gotten close to (except perhaps Madlib). Regardless though, there have been so few people who could qualify for "another generation's hendrix". To even imply that Dilla is a Hendrix of this generation -- to imply that any band is the _____ of the modern era is such flawed logic. Dilla is the Dilla of this generation, jesus.

  

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144. "is that 'all there is to it'? LOL!!"
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>So many times at so many things, LOL. What the fuck is the
>point of me continuing this conversation, at all.

It's good practice for in depth discussion of music. I reply in kind. You post good I'll post good. You post dismissive I'll post dismissive. This is my M.O.

>If you know
>everything about Hendrix (lol like you can 'claim' another
>human for yourself lmfao) then why am I even having this
>conversation with you?

1) Because it's not just about Hendrix.
2) Because you wonder how someone like me could make such a claim.
3) Because you realize I'm not bat-shit crazy so if you engage it you may understand the perspective even if you don't agree.

>I actually had a third answer written
>for you but this whole topic you are just so up your own ass.

I'll fall back to my M.O. on this one. People come at me with dismissive out the ass talk, I'll reply in kind. When it goes in depth, I'm right there too.

>Take a walk or something man.

LOL!!! I took two today.

>Not just music, the entire
>world was effected by the messages of freedom and peace
>present in those solos -- the concept that anything could be
>possible.

Try to present that in musical terms not etheral terms. And could the whole world articulate the same sentiments, or are you hyperbolizing?

>Hendrix was bigger than music and you asking for
>whether or not Rock musicians today have music that wouldn't
>have existed / did not have some sort of technique used by
>Hendrix from the 60s to establish this pseudo-definition in
>your mind is just hilarious.

So much bigger than music you can't discuss the music? You can only go to these godlike qualities that make everything else unattainable. Hey man, I worship Jimi as a God too. If you want we can do a whole other post about that, but right here right now I want to talk about the music. Musicall techniques.

>L.O.L. You claim you are a huge
>hendrix fan, but I'm not sure if you really got the point of
>his music.

I wonder if you got it or were just blinded by the godliness of it. Just like some Dilla fans you want to heap on piles of musical praise but cannot back it up with music.

>This topic is so fucking stupid.

LOL!!! Don't make it stupider. Bring the music. I know you have it in you.

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147. "I'd rather educate you on more modern acts"
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That talk about Hendrix. Let's discuss how innovative Animal Collective are, hmmm? Frankly, I'm not really pissed at you or anything, I think you are being a bit unfair to me though. Because from my perspective I gave you 2 and 1/2 serious replies and you dismissed them. What he did was amazing and it influenced every musician post-Hendrix. Everyone has an opinion on the man. You say I should see things from your perspective, a more technical perspective when frankly while I comprehend said perspective it is not relevant to me. When I try to discuss my perspective you dismiss it. You dismiss that bit I say as being "hyperbolic", and to that I dismiss this discussion. Good day sir!

  

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149. "Hendrix had a specific rhythm technique"
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Name the modern rock artists that emulate that.
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169. "animal collective are not all that innovative at all."
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if they in fact are.

  

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176. "someone hasn't heard feels, get the fuck outta here telling me that"
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173. "this exchange reminds me of k_orr's infamous rakim post"
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22. "Can you go a little deeper?"
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>He made the instrument of hip-hop a forefront player, where as
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>were people who did/attempted to do it before, but it became
>with Dilla.

What exactly do you mean by this statement here?

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24. "That's the yoda reply... there is no deeper."
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29. "hmmm...then this thread is bordering on Hip Hop revisionism "
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So far I don't see a strong case being made for Dilla being the Hendrix of our generation but I'll wait and see what else the OP brings forth as evidence.

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32. "RE: Can you go a little deeper?"
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>>He made the instrument of hip-hop a forefront player, where
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>>before it was limited to playing a supporting role.

The instrument of hip-hop = production. If you think just of the beattape phenomena as a whole, yes beattapes existed long before dilla, but as a testament of a producer's work. Producers may have shared tapes prior to that, but the mark of the producer was in who had bought those beats not in th etapes themselves. How many beattapes were released last year. It's literally impossible to count. You can counter that with how many of them sold but that's just the surface of the influence.

From out of the beattape phenom you get producers comfortable enough, in a hip-hop context to see themselves as the focal point of a project without the need to get a bunch of MC's to validate their work. Yes there were artists who had done instrumental hip-hop prior, and folk outside of the genre who could today be classified under the umbrella (sic), but it became phenomenality (lol) post dilla.

And that's still just surface.

He laid out the blueprint technique for sampling to escape the legal realms. <<< This is foreshadowing I won't be debating the point yet.

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35. "So how would you compare Dilla to Madlib? "
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38. "Somewhere above I admitted a lot of it is consequential..."
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Madlib is the Hendrix if Hendrix lived of our Generation?

Ehhhh.... I don't know. I kind of agree with that. Madlib is a beast. That said a lot of it is consequential with him as well. Some artists have just as much material but not the channels/desire to put it all out the way Lib does. That said, we wouldn't have Dilla without Lib. Fa sho!!!
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41. "hmmmm........."
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>The instrument of hip-hop = production.

So you're saying that before Dilla there wasn't any emphasis on having solid production at the forefront?




If you think just of
>the beattape phenomena as a whole, yes beattapes existed long
>before dilla, but as a testament of a producer's work.
>Producers may have shared tapes prior to that, but the mark of
>the producer was in who had bought those beats not in th
>etapes themselves. How many beattapes were released last
>year. It's literally impossible to count. You can counter
>that with how many of them sold but that's just the surface of
>the influence.


I think that has more to do with the influence of the internet than Dilla.



>From out of the beattape phenom you get producers comfortable
>enough, in a hip-hop context to see themselves as the focal
>point of a project without the need to get a bunch of MC's to
>validate their work. Yes there were artists who had done
>instrumental hip-hop prior, and folk outside of the genre who
>could today be classified under the umbrella (sic), but it
>became phenomenality (lol) post dilla.

Isn't that the foundation of Hip Hop though? Where the DJ (often times the producer) was at the forefront of the music? I also don't see the widespread phenomenom you are referring to regarding beattapes as a showcase being something new. I see cats using the internet to showcase/sell their tracks, which makes this aspect of Hip Hop seem more visible BUT cats have been showcasing/selling their tracks long before Dilla.



>And that's still just surface.

I'm waiting for you to get deep though! lol



>He laid out the blueprint technique for sampling to escape the
>legal realms. <<< This is foreshadowing I won't be debating
>the point yet.

I would say Premo laid that blueprint before Dilla imo.


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71. "^^^any response to this? n/m"
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74. "RE: hmmmm........."
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>>The instrument of hip-hop = production.
>
>So you're saying that before Dilla there wasn't any emphasis
>on having solid production at the forefront?

Absolutely not. I'm saying that even when it was at the forefront it was still as a supporting role. It's like the basketball assist. The assist itself could be bigger than the shot it spawned, but it's still just an assist. Dilla drove to the basket in a role reserved for the assist. Not the first again, but....

>I think that has more to do with the influence of the internet
>than Dilla.

I can see this point, except for, where are the Pete Rock beattpaes? The Premo beattapes? Etc. Anyone before him could have been in that spot, but it was his work that made it so. Consequential sure, but nonetheless.

>Isn't that the foundation of Hip Hop though? Where the DJ
>(often times the producer) was at the forefront of the music?
>I also don't see the widespread phenomenom you are referring
>to regarding beattapes as a showcase being something new. I
>see cats using the internet to showcase/sell their tracks,
>which makes this aspect of Hip Hop seem more visible BUT cats
>have been showcasing/selling their tracks long before Dilla.

DJ hasn't been at the forefront in a long time. And neither was the producer. GumDrops is right though there are a lot of producers that had more of an impact on the masses. And made a name for themselves that surpassed the artist they worked with, but they were still making assists. Consequentially, Dilla took it a step further.

>>He laid out the blueprint technique for sampling to escape
>the
>>legal realms. <<< This is foreshadowing I won't be debating
>>the point yet.
>
>I would say Premo laid that blueprint before Dilla imo.

You could say Paul C. or The Bomb Squad before that too. But there's something else in what Dilla did. But again I'm not going to talk about this much here.


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86. "RE: hmmmm........."
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>Absolutely not. I'm saying that even when it was at the
>forefront it was still as a supporting role. It's like the
>basketball assist. The assist itself could be bigger than the
>shot it spawned, but it's still just an assist. Dilla drove
>to the basket in a role reserved for the assist. Not the
>first again, but....

You need to give concrete examples to prove your point because you already have agreed that he wasn't the first to put production at the forefront. You have to emphatically show what he did that puts him in a special category by himself.



>I can see this point, except for, where are the Pete Rock
>beattpaes? The Premo beattapes? Etc. Anyone before him could
>have been in that spot, but it was his work that made it so.
>Consequential sure, but nonetheless.


Did Pete Rock and Premo even give out beat tapes? I never worked with them so I can't say with any certainty but I can tell you that Beatminerz used to give out "beat tapes" to artists they were interested in working with. Just about every producer I worked with back in the day has done this at some point in time as well. When I was working as an A&R for a record company I used to get beat tapes in the mail every month from cats who were looking for production work. I also know some cats didn't like to give out tapes because they feared people would steal their ideas. From what I know this still is a concern today with many producers. Perhaps Premo and PR fall into this category.



>DJ hasn't been at the forefront in a long time. And neither
>was the producer. GumDrops is right though there are a lot of
>producers that had more of an impact on the masses. And made a
>name for themselves that surpassed the artist they worked
>with, but they were still making assists. Consequentially,
>Dilla took it a step further.


You have yet to explain how he took it a step further though. I think his death has given him a level of mystique that he wouldn't have received if he didn't pass so young. As you know, this isn't an uncommon thing within music. I remember some of his friends (who happened to be famous artists lol) talking about the influence he had on them musically but that is to be expected since they personally knew him and worked with him closely. What I think happened though is that because those friends garner a certain level of media attention, hipster outlets and certain Hip Hop circles latched onto that genuine mourning as some kind of "movement" as it was the "cool" and "trendy" thing to do at the time. I think alot of these so called Dilla fans who now sing his praises are highly suspect though as far as their motivations for doing so. Alot of it comes across as disingenuous in my eyes.


>You could say Paul C. or The Bomb Squad before that too. But
>there's something else in what Dilla did. But again I'm not
>going to talk about this much here.

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191. "RE: hmmmm........."
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>I can see this point, except for, where are the Pete Rock
>beattpaes? The Premo beattapes? Etc. Anyone before him could
>have been in that spot, but it was his work that made it so.
>Consequential sure, but nonetheless.

It was the bootlegging of his work that made it so. There are pete rock beattapes, but theyre not widespread. and they were "out" before internet bootlegging went rampant




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45. "EVERYBODY WHO QUESTIONS DILLA'S LEGACY SHD BE ASKED THIS"
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>Are you limiting hip-hop to what is popular?
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158. "I believed it has"
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2. "Nah. The Notorious BIG would be the closest."
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4. "Not enough output."
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Too many contemporaries. Pac being the closest with the output, and for a while he held an influence, but that influence, like with Biggie is more style than substance, though people will hate my saying that. It's not that they as artists were more style over substance, but what people picked up on from them definitely was.
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13. "i accounted for him in #3"
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when i said sure there were others that did it before dilla. Premo did a lot of shit Dilla gets credit for, and was regarded as a focal point of the music he made and yet he still couldn't cross the line to the forefront as effectively. But he doesn't have to worry about this title, he'll probably be the best solo producer of all time when the history books are written. His legacy lives on.

Shorter response - he's too old.
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9. "jay-z"
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Are black americans who have albums out that you can buy. Past that, I can't think of a single thing that ties them together.

  

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10. "peter rock n roll"
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17. "i'll illustrate something with this example"
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career too long, filled with too many ups and downs. one of the most impactful things about jimi's career is what he was able to do in such a short time. one to one, dilla's career is too long too. But at the same time I think he passed at the same relative jump off point jimi was at. It'll be hard for anyone who's sustained a long career to measure up because the longer your career the more apt for peaks and valleys.
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31. "Dude is not that iconic"
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I'm a fan, but his reach is not that far. Hell, even the revisionist hipster love he got postmortem has died down.

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33. "*throws on "JDilla Changed My Life" t-shirt*"
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193. "so he is moderately iconic?"
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205. "dont tell me what i know"
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207. "tell u wat I know....keep fuckin round & u'll have a dectum in ur rectum"
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209. "dont tell me what you know either"
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222. "fight me, b*tch"
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that would the logical choice imo.

  

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135. "RE: Rakim"
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44. "Dj Shadow. where does he fit into this? The Janis Joplin?"
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I think its fair to bring up his contribution to the instrumental/production tip.
Donuts is a great album. But years prior Shadow laid out a blue print
that was amazing and really brought light to the instrumental/chop element.

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47. "LOL @ Janis Joplin!!!"
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As a lead championeer of the work of Shadow I would never deny his influence on Dilla and all of hip-hop. That said technique wise what Endtroducing brought to the table was mostly new in the condensation of forms. It will forever stand the test of time though, but the impact of it wasn't as immediate as with Dilla. Though again I will say a lot of Dilla's impact was consequential.
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202. "the cd shrinkwrap sticker on "endroducing""
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quoted some magazine (nme? rollingstone? spin?) that dj shadow was the "jimi hendrix of the sampler."

that's the first thing i thought of when i saw this post.

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Any one know where i can find the instrumental to "turn me up some"?

one of my fav dilla beats i had it on a cd but can't find the damn thing to save my life.

Inbox me if you do.

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52. "no. no, he's not."
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54. "the thing about dilla is not many of his beats had that impact "
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and i dont mean impact in commercial terms, i mean they didnt have that impact of making everyone take notice immediately and change the game. its just been a subtle thing. yeah hes been influential but gamechanging? i dont see it.

the last time i read a beatmaker called the hendrix or page of the sampler, it was dj shadow. i can kinda see that a bit more obviously, in terms of virtuoso-ness, even though im not the biggest shadow fan. yeah i know dilla was a virtuoso too, but you could never HEAR it unless you were a super-super beat/digging nerd.

anyway, the REAL hendrixes of hip hop are probably the battle DJs. its q bert or mixmaster mike or someone. im not sure you can have a hendrix of the studio.

  

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57. "most valid counter point: no live chops"
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>anyway, the REAL hendrixes of hip hop are probably the battle
>DJs. its q bert or mixmaster mike or someone. im not sure you
>can have a hendrix of the studio.

I have to concede this point.

I don't agree with all of the impact stuff you mention though. I addressed Shadow above. And I've left a dangling carrot for anyone by admitting a lot of Dilla is consequential as well.

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62. "i thought about this a bit more"
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in terms of game changing, i suppose he did, in his own sphere anyway. ie detroit rap. certain production touches here and there. but not in the way timbaland did. or marley marl before him, or rick rubin etc etc etc. anyway i think to be a hendrix of beats, you have to kinda make that virtuoso-ness apparent. it has to be somewhat in your face. and dilla obv was an expert in terms of manipulating samples, but it wasnt often apparent to all but a small circle of beatheads/insiders/those 'in the know'. BUT i can see what you mean. as only guitarists understood what hendrix was doing that was so different/difficult, just how producers can only see that with dilla.

im not sure hip hop even lends itself to virtuoso-ness in the first place though. unless you want to talk about some crazy abstract headache inducing (lol) beat manipulation production. venetian snares or someone. some breakcore guys maybe. and thats more post-drum n bass than hip hop.

but yeah, i think if you can include records of routines by the skratch piklz guys, those are your hip hop hendrixes. quite easily too. theyre virtuosos, can do it live, plus anyone who sees them would obv be able to marvel at their technique, expertise, and general insane level of skill.

  

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80. "for argument sake..."
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what about the fact that producers are now taking it to the stage?

we're a few years away for it becoming definitive but... bubbling for sure.

just a note i saw Supernat with Dinji Brown (sp) doing live MPC's a looonnnnnngggg time ago. Shit I saw Shadow with Latyrx doing it, (though he was just loading sequences). So its not new, but a standard is brewing.
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94. "ive never seen that "
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i want to though.

i suppose yeah, that would prob create some hendrixes of the mpc, of course. though the thing there is i dont know if theres any limits to be pushed like there are with battle djs? (i dont know if they all use basically the same equipment or not - cos with dj champions, they all basically have to use the same set up dont they, whereas with producers, id imagine theres all diff types of setups you can go for, which might change the playing field a bit)

the other thing i wanted to mention before but forgot is that the thing with battle djs, or from what ive seen on the net, producer battles, is that its all about technique. of course, with guitarists, theres technique involved too, but with guitar playing, its about expression too. which might be a tangent, i dunno, but just thought to throw that in there.

  

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65. "i thought about this...."
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> i mean they didnt
>have that impact of making everyone take notice immediately
>and change the game.

How soon we forget how out of fashion sampling had become. Dilla made it cool to sample again.

*chortle*

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67. "erm that would be kanye man"
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come on

only after blueprint did everyone go from the post swizz beats back to sampling (and kanye rip offs)

just blaze fits in here too


  

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69. "yeah... kinda... you right"
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*finds way to make my point*

i said "sample" not *sample*

LOL!!
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95. "dilla did bring some rythmic innovations"
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that metronomic thing i think we talked about before for example, which im sure dr dre stole for some of his beats from dilla.

  

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68. "SPACE RESERVED FOR POPWELL!!!"
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To come in ready to call me a Dilladumbass, only to realize "I ain't the one," and concede to a cosignature.
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don't fuck around, I'm saying is all

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77. "dilla is not even top 5 most influential of his own ERA much less of"
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all time in hip hop
and if u wanna be real he's prolly not even top 10
this post is dumb
u can think dilla is the GOAT all day and night but let's not be silly here

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79. "myopics are a bitch"
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*Hits up the jazz spot and hears Dilla's influence*
*Peeps out the electronic scene and hears Dilla's influence*
*Browses the alt-rock of today and hears Dilla's influence*
*Checks out the alt-soul of today and hears Dilla's influence.*
*Turns on Late Nite TV and hears Dilla's influence*

Holla atcha boy!!!

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81. "dude ur giving no specific examples tho. u realize ppl were playing"
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smooth jazz and chopping loops before dilla right?
u kinda reaching

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85. "your initial reply didn't warrant specific examples."
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>smooth jazz and chopping loops before dilla right?

LOL @ smooth jazz. Especially if you think that's what I'm talking about.

Chopping loops has been more than accounted for elsewhere in the thread, and credit due has been given.

>u kinda reaching

Give me something to chew on and I'll get down and dirty with it. Otherwise *shrug*
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104. "like it or not but T Pain has influenced hip hop more than Dilla"
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where are all these examples of Dilla influencing hip hop as a whole
where are the sounds and artist
where are the legions of copy cats?
i mean black milk?
really?
smh

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109. "show me in my original post where i limited this generation to hip-hop"
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and I'll provide examples to fit into your myopic view.

>where are the sounds and artist
>where are the legions of copy cats?
>i mean black milk?
>really?

all in together now MY-OP-IC

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174. "um u realize hip hop is a sub set of music right....."
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if dilla is not even that influential in hip hop then he definitely is not that influential in music overall
that's a given

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88. ""do ya'll listen to music...or do you just skim through it?""
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As an aspiring music creator...Dilla is literally from another planet. He is one of those rare aliens, that this world is blessed with from time to time. Yes Andre 3000 is another one of those aliens, AND you can certainly add Lauryn Hill to that list to. Hendrix certainly was an alien.

Anyhow, Dilla created another world with his beats. The beats that define Dilla are the ones that take you to that place, and it's a place he literally created, that exists out in the universe somewhere, that we can get a glimpse of through listening to his music. It's so out of this world, and indescribable, yet familiar like you've already been there. It's so hard to explain, but if you FEEL music, there's no way you can't get into DILLA. take a minute to let that soak in.

He embodied the Detroit sound. He was so raw, and SO LIVE. It's crazy because I live in Orange County, and though my homie and I have been trying to create a defining sound for our town...SO MANY HEADS have been jocking Dilla's sound. It's ridiculous in how blatant it's been, but it's also a testament of how much of an impact his music really has.

J Dilla certainly changed my life. And hearing the story behind that actual shirt goes along with the beauty of Dilla in general. Folks act like everyone was on Jimi when he was alive.

Yes it became a fad to like Dilla, after he passed. And one of my best friends, who's also a producer put me onto Dilla about two years before he passed. Donuts is NOT the Dilla i'm referencing to,BUT could you really deny someone's passion and love for music, when they're producing on their DEATH BED? That cd is unbelievable when you take that into consideration, and realize the dude was literally dying as he was causing the beats to burp and hiccup and speed and slow down. He was communicating with us through his beats on that CD, and it's obviously not his best work. But that dude's your favorite producer's FAVORITE producer.

as far as disciples of his sound? BLACK MILK anyone?! if Dilla ain't the Hendrix of our generation in terms of hip hop, you better believe that it's going to be his music, or someone who idolized him who's gonna be the one. remember those words.

  

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96. "^^^an example of how dying young can elevate someone to mythical levels"
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I can see how people that actually knew him say "Dilla changed my life" but other folks who say it are either really young, unlearned in Hip Hop music (music in general really) or are being opportunistic and/or disingenuous (no offense to anyone). Out of respect for the dead I won't say anything further than that though.

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dougnut sign at Krispee Kreme, and I decided to play Donuts by Dilla
and whattaknow, I lost the urge to EAT doughnuts. Close one fam, close one.

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134. "u cannot say that...."
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>I can see how people that actually knew him say "Dilla
>changed my life" but other folks who say it are either really
>young, unlearned in Hip Hop music (music in general really) or
>are being opportunistic and/or disingenuous (no offense to
>anyone). Out of respect for the dead I won't say anything
>further than that though.


has music ever helped u thru a rough situation?
have u ever gotten an idea for a grand scheme while listening to music?
have u ever fell in love with someone while listening to music..?

c'mon sis.....
u not making sense.....
how does a musician changing a listener's life make them unlearned, oppurtunistic or disingenious..

if dilla changed his life....its his life.....not yours...

  

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138. "yes I can because it is *my* opinion...nothing more and nothing less"
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>has music ever helped u thru a rough situation?

Yes but that doesn't mean it changed my life. My ability to work out my problems was what did it.

>have u ever gotten an idea for a grand scheme while listening
>to music?

Yes...often times in combination with some good marijuana. However, my ability to put the grand scheme into a plan of action and execute was what changed my life.


>have u ever fell in love with someone while listening to
>music..?

hmmm...Probably but yet again the music in and of itself wasn't what changed my life. I could have fallen in love with someone when we walked in the park. Does that mean the park changed my life?

Being inspired by something and having your life changed are two very different things in my book. Perhaps this is where we see things differently. Perhaps you feel being inspired by something automatically changes you. I don't.


>c'mon sis.....
>u not making sense.....
>how does a musician changing a listener's life make them
>unlearned, oppurtunistic or disingenious..


Wait you forgot I also said really young. When you're young and impressionable you have a tendency to put importance on things that aren't really that important in the grand scheme of your life. That also ties into what I said about being unlearned in music. This cat has admitted he is an aspiring music creator and he only *recently* got into Dilla. That sounds like someone who is unlearned in Hip Hop. Maybe he is and maybe he isn't but I am telling you how it came across to *me*. To say someone is unlearned is not even meant as a negative statement towards him. I have run into a few cats like him over the years and he reminded me of those encounters. You took my comments as being disrespectful towards him when that is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar from the case.


The opportunism that sprang up around Dilla's legacy is very well documented. There were many people just looking to exploit the man after his passing.

The disingenuous part comes from people who seem like they are trying to "curry favor" with Dilla's peeps (most of them established and/or famous artists) by pretending to be more into Dilla's music then they really are. I have seen this happen before.



>
>if dilla changed his life....its his life.....not yours...

Come on man...Did I say his life was my life? No I didn't. If he believes Dilla changed his life then so be it. He posted his perspective and I posted mine. Please don't make it out to be anything more than that!



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140. "aight cool....it's just that personally...i'm yet to see..."
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..anybody from dilla's camp 'having issues' with people *saying/feeling* that dilla changed their lives....
it's just others looking on...
i just feel its impossible for someone to say how something/someone can affect another individual...

....u said it's your humble opinion...it's just that..(in my opinion..lol)..it didn't come across all that humble...
sounded like u were talking down to the poster.....just me tho...

if that wasn't your intention...cool...
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143. "RE: aight cool....it's just that personally...i'm yet to see..."
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....u said it's your humble opinion...it's just that..(in my
>opinion..lol)..it didn't come across all that humble...
>sounded like u were talking down to the poster.....just me
>tho...

I'm not sure why you would say that when I made sure to type "no offense to anyone" in my intial reply. *shrugs*


>if that wasn't your intention...cool...
>*peace sign*

Nope that wasn't my intention...not at all.

peace



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196. "how you gonna tell everyone else their opinion?"
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get that bullshit outta here, he changed your life? for real? C'mon son he was good but to put him on a hendrix level..... okay. Outside detroit, this website and your small circle of nerdlike friends nobody knows about him. Maybe 10yrs down the road they'll open up a time capsule and discover his ass but who knows. Man u need to get out the house and let birdshit hit u in the face, cause u too deep into this shit. peace

  

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133. "but honestly..who are you to say how someone affected another's life..."
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.....if he didn't change yours....fine....
if the poster up top...years down the line realizes dilla really didn't change his life..and he was just being 'emotional' now....fine...

but u can't know that man....
i'm tired of people telling other people how to feel....

is he detracting from dilla's legacy?....no....is he taking food out of dilla's family's mouth....no

if dilla changed his life....fk.....allow him to feel that way....
live YOUR life and k.i.m.

  

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but he was laying it on pretty thick,i couldn't help myself.

  

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172. "no disrespect to you but"
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dropping a long list of artist the other poster is going to dismiss out of pocket for not fitting into his myopics won't do much. elsewhere in the post i've names some artists. if you're looking more than on a surface level at the music today all of the things i alluded to in the above post are obvious and connect directly to artists making music.

if you want to come at me like my shit is stupid when you haven't done the homework to know who those artists are that's your problem not mine. i know you'll come back with the burden of proof is on me, and as i said elsewhere i've provided examples to posters that approached the discussion on a somewhat level playing field. the above poster's myopics limit his ability to see this beyond what he wants. aka it's all about hip-hop. in fact it's not all about hip-hop at all. it's much bigger than hip-hop.
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184. "yeah i just went through this whole thread and found nothing"
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you say he changed electronic music, but you dont give any examples. usually when someone makes an outlandish statement, its up to that person to support it. I havent heard dilla's influence in drum and bass, or even in detroit techno. im not saying it is NOT there, but you made a statement that you arent even trying to back up.

in fact, regarding techno, i would say its the other way around. Jay Dee may have expanded on some of the principles in early techno, but he hasnt changed the game. Kids in the hood were making techno while Jay Dee was still using his speak-n-spell.

And to say he's influencing late night TV is asinine. Just because his friend got a job working for Jimmy Fallon doesnt mean program directors are basing their shows on a quantized Dilla track.

  

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185. "welcome to the party"
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>you say he changed electronic music, but you dont give any
>examples.

I didn't say he changed electronic music. I said I turn on some electronic music and hear his influence.

> usually when someone makes an outlandish statement,
>its up to that person to support it.

where was the outlandish statement again?

>I havent heard dilla's
>influence in drum and bass, or even in detroit techno.

you must have missed all the drum and bass artist that went dubstep and hopped on the dilla quantization craze.

>im not
>saying it is NOT there, but you made a statement that you
>arent even trying to back up.

because the person I was replying to originally in this part of the thread wasn't coming from that angle at all.

>in fact, regarding techno, i would say its the other way
>around. Jay Dee may have expanded on some of the principles
>in early techno, but he hasnt changed the game. Kids in the
>hood were making techno while Jay Dee was still using his
>speak-n-spell.

It's a good thing I didn't say that Jay Dee changed Techno. That would have been outlandish.

>And to say he's influencing late night TV is asinine. Just
>because his friend got a job working for Jimmy Fallon doesnt
>mean program directors are basing their shows on a quantized
>Dilla track.

Did I say he's influencing late night tv, or did i say i turn on late night tv and hear his influence. See how you're twisting what I'm saying to make me look stupid. Except I'm not stupid. I'm actually very clear about what I'm saying.

Now if you want to start over and address what I say instead of what you've twisted me to say, I'm all for it.

We can start with the electronic music I hear with his influence.

The polyrhythms of dubstep (on top of the two step) frequently employ dilla esque sense of rhythm. Dubstep as a sound is permeating through a lot of electronic music today particularly for its rhythmic sensibilities. It's not all of music of course but it's got it's strong little niche.

If you let others tell it Nosaj Thing is an electronic artist. More or less a non sample based producer, that manages to incorporate dillaisms into his work, most clearly with the rhythm.

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186. "RE: welcome to the party"
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>>you say he changed electronic music, but you dont give any
>>examples.
>
>I didn't say he changed electronic music. I said I turn on
>some electronic music and hear his influence.

if the music didnt change after him, how can you hear an influence?

>> usually when someone makes an outlandish statement,
>>its up to that person to support it.

you basically said that Dilla *influenced* a decently sized protion of the entertainment spectrum in america.

>you must have missed all the drum and bass artist that went
>dubstep and hopped on the dilla quantization craze.

no, i didnt miss all the artists that went dubstep, but ive never heard a dubstep record that contained any rhythmic characteristics that werent done before in jungle.

>>im not
>>saying it is NOT there, but you made a statement that you
>>arent even trying to back up.
>
>because the person I was replying to originally in this part
>of the thread wasn't coming from that angle at all.

well i agree there, but thats not me

>It's a good thing I didn't say that Jay Dee changed Techno.
>That would have been outlandish.

IF Jay Dee were to have influenced Techno the only way to detect that is in changes in the music. No change = no influence

>Did I say he's influencing late night tv, or did i say i turn
>on late night tv and hear his influence. See how you're
>twisting what I'm saying to make me look stupid. Except I'm
>not stupid. I'm actually very clear about what I'm saying.

but my point still stands. no one at NBC gives a shit about Jay Dee. Jimmy Fallon hired Jay Dee's friend. To claim that as a Dilla "win" is suspect.


>The polyrhythms of dubstep (on top of the two step) frequently
>employ dilla esque sense of rhythm. Dubstep as a sound is
>permeating through a lot of electronic music today
>particularly for its rhythmic sensibilities. It's not all of
>music of course but it's got it's strong little niche.

but jungle like Soundmurderer, Paradox, and others are the foundation for polyrhythmic dubstep. if anything, i would say that Dilla was influenced by those early junglists.

EDIT: chase & status, two of those d&b cats that went dubstep, have a very easily identifiable musical basis. their music usually falls into one of three categories: an expansion of the jumpup sound like "druids", amen rollers like "in love", and ragga based tracks like "duppy man" or the "hot wuk" remix.

their dubstep is very clearly an evolution of the ragga sound they like. now, that being said, i dont know what goes into RECORDING dubstep. its very possible that the techniques associated with it are based off of Dilla's studio know-how. however, sonically, that seems like convergent evolution to me.

  

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187. "you're putting words into my mouth..."
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>>I didn't say he changed electronic music. I said I turn on
>>some electronic music and hear his influence.
>
>if the music didnt change after him, how can you hear an
>influence?

I'm hearing artists putting his influence into their work. Electronic is a pretty broad form. You'll be able to find plenty of artists that have no DIlla influence. But there are some that have.

>>> usually when someone makes an outlandish statement,
>>>its up to that person to support it.
>
>you basically said that Dilla *influenced* a decently sized
>protion of the entertainment spectrum in america.

*blankstare* where did i say that?

>>you must have missed all the drum and bass artist that went
>>dubstep and hopped on the dilla quantization craze.
>
>no, i didnt miss all the artists that went dubstep, but ive
>never heard a dubstep record that contained any rhythmic
>characteristics that werent done before in jungle.

nice one. doesn't keep the artists from being influenced by dilla though. and you know (i hope) that's a broad generalization that wouldn't hold up to scrutiny. i don't have time to scrutinize it though so two points.

>well i agree there, but thats not me

i'm talking to you now.

>>It's a good thing I didn't say that Jay Dee changed Techno.
>>That would have been outlandish.
>
>IF Jay Dee were to have influenced Techno the only way to
>detect that is in changes in the music. No change = no
>influence

yeah but he didn't, and i never said he did, so making your point here doesn't add or diminish anything.

>>Did I say he's influencing late night tv, or did i say i
>turn
>>on late night tv and hear his influence. See how you're
>>twisting what I'm saying to make me look stupid. Except I'm
>>not stupid. I'm actually very clear about what I'm saying.
>
>but my point still stands. no one at NBC gives a shit about
>Jay Dee. Jimmy Fallon hired Jay Dee's friend. To claim that
>as a Dilla "win" is suspect.

Who said anything about a Dilla win? What are we winning. I'm just stating a fact. I turn on NBC and can hear Dilla's influence. You cannot deny that.

>
>>The polyrhythms of dubstep (on top of the two step)
>frequently
>>employ dilla esque sense of rhythm. Dubstep as a sound is
>>permeating through a lot of electronic music today
>>particularly for its rhythmic sensibilities. It's not all
>of
>>music of course but it's got it's strong little niche.
>
>but jungle like Soundmurderer, Paradox, and others are the
>foundation for polyrhythmic dubstep. if anything, i would say
>that Dilla was influenced by those early junglists.

Wait wait wait... was DIlla influenced by jungle or by techno? Hmmmmm.... there's a full circle to the electronic 'influnece' i've articulated elsewhere though not in this thread. another discussion at another time.

I'll make this point here without having to get into origins and such. Regardless of how you historically place the rise of dubstep, if I interview five artists and they all cite Dilla as a major influence on them, and can talk about the specifics of drum patterns and rhythms they love and studied from Dilla, he had a musical influence on them.


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188. "RE: you're putting words into my mouth..."
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>I'm hearing artists putting his influence into their work.
>Electronic is a pretty broad form. You'll be able to find
>plenty of artists that have no DIlla influence. But there are
>some that have.

thats possible, but my whole point is that what you're calling Dilla's influence might in fact be something else. and in the case of dubstep i believe that it is.

>>>> usually when someone makes an outlandish statement,
>>>>its up to that person to support it.
>>
>>you basically said that Dilla *influenced* a decently sized
>>protion of the entertainment spectrum in america.
>
>*blankstare* where did i say that?

aside from hip hop...
*Hits up the jazz spot and hears Dilla's influence*
*Peeps out the electronic scene and hears Dilla's influence*
*Browses the alt-rock of today and hears Dilla's influence*
*Checks out the alt-soul of today and hears Dilla's influence.*
*Turns on Late Nite TV and hears Dilla's influence*


>>>you must have missed all the drum and bass artist that went
>>>dubstep and hopped on the dilla quantization craze.

>nice one. doesn't keep the artists from being influenced by
>dilla though. and you know (i hope) that's a broad
>generalization that wouldn't hold up to scrutiny. i don't
>have time to scrutinize it though so two points.

perhaps

>>IF Jay Dee were to have influenced Techno the only way to
>>detect that is in changes in the music. No change = no
>>influence
>
>yeah but he didn't, and i never said he did, so making your
>point here doesn't add or diminish anything.

well when you said electronic music, i brought up techno specifically because of the Detroit connection. And while im sure Jay Dee may have provided some Detroit techno prod/DJs with inspiration, HE is a branch off of THEIR tree. not the other way around.

>Who said anything about a Dilla win? What are we winning.
>I'm just stating a fact. I turn on NBC and can hear Dilla's
>influence. You cannot deny that.

fine. i have to agree with that, but its a hollow statement based more on circumstance than any brilliance of Dilla's art.

>Wait wait wait... was DIlla influenced by jungle or by techno?
> Hmmmmm.... there's a full circle to the electronic
>'influnece' i've articulated elsewhere though not in this
>thread. another discussion at another time.

well all electronic music traces its roots back to Detroit Techno. Jungle/drum and bass has just gone so far in its own way as to be able to exert its own influence.

>I'll make this point here without having to get into origins
>and such. Regardless of how you historically place the rise
>of dubstep, if I interview five artists and they all cite
>Dilla as a major influence on them, and can talk about the
>specifics of drum patterns and rhythms they love and studied
>from Dilla, he had a musical influence on them.

Agreed...IF you can do this. but unless a few of those dudes are flagship artists (for the sake of conversation we'll say Ed Rush or Optical (DnB producers/DJs)), a genre wide influence should not be assumed.

  

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91. "Dilla: hip hop:: Anvil: heavy metal"
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Crazy influential among his peers, a couple of songs that the average joe might know, but for the most part the regular music-listening public wouldn't be able to tell you much about Dilla at all.

Oh, and see Anvil: The Story of Anvil. Awesome movie.

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92. "RE: Dilla: hip hop:: Anvil: heavy metal:: Hendrix:Rock N Roll"
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>Crazy influential among his peers, a couple of songs that the
>average joe might know, but for the most part the regular
>music-listening public wouldn't be able to tell you much about
>Hendrix at all.

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100. "please. "
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name the top ten producers in hip hop. anyone.

  

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105. "Hendrix was at one point a huge mainstream success."
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Dilla never has been.

It's a shame that he hasn't. But he hasn't.

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107. "Good point. "
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According to the RIAA, Jimi had 5 gold-selling albums while he was alive.

  

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I sure hope not.
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181. "No. But he had mainstream success. Dilla didn't."
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Both are great, it has nothing to do with greatness. They're both influential. They're both talented. But in terms of mainstream success, it's a huge difference.

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101. "RE: James "Jay Dee / J Dilla" Yancey is also the Hendrix of our Generati..."
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HuH????




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102. "But who has already surpassed Dilla?"
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Are you serious?

  

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111. "Without question - MADLIB"
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That's just the easy undebatable one. There are others.
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Madlib is dope but he ain't surpassed Dilla in my beatmaking bible.

Were you one of those that said Beat Konducta Movie Scenes is better than Donuts?

  

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take away all the shit that surrounded Donuts and yes MS is the better record
in fact most people here didn't like Donuts when it came out

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Madlib is not fuckin with Dilla. If Madlib has surpassed Dilla, can someone, anyone explain to me why Dilla's BBE LP came out in '01 and it's shittin on Madlib's BBE LP which came out in what 08??? He had 7 years to get nicer and he didn't step up to the plate with home run power.

PS Movie Scenes is not fuckin with Donuts, you can't be fucking serious.

  

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183. "actually I am serious, cumchomper"
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you do realize that Madlib and Dilla came out about the same time, right?
and the beats on MS are just as good as whats on Donuts
the only thing that puts Donuts over are the internal meanings and the psychology behind the sample choices
you're a Dilla Dumbass so you'll never admit to anyone being better than Dilla so thats par for the course
so I'll just tell you to keep it th' fuck movin' and get th' fuck outta my thread before I dump dick in yo booty

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197. "Honestly MS has so many BORING beats"
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I love Madlib as much as I do Dilla, often having trouble deciding on who I consider to be greater, but I definitely have to side with Donuts on this argument. Seriously some beats on MS are just straight to the skip button for me. Donuts has a unique flavor for each of its tracks, each with its own message, while MS has beats like Electric Company. It may be hard to not be biased in this decision, but Donuts is just overall more enjoyable to listen to.

  

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201. "I don't build with faggots"
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especially uncivilized ignorant faggots that can't acknowledge logical knowledgeable statements like say, Welcome to Detroit > WLIB.

Movie scenes had a couple cool joints, but the best joints were imitation Dilla.


I don't understand why people say Donuts was inspired by Madlib, yall musta never heard the Dill Withers tape. Right now, Madlib's making a lot of beats that sound like homage paying Donuts. Madlib got way more from Dilla than Dilla got from Lib.

  

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208. "RE: I don't build with faggots"
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>especially uncivilized ignorant faggots that can't
>acknowledge logical knowledgeable statements like say, Welcome
>to Detroit > WLIB.
>

WTD is waaaaaaay doper than WLIB
I can't listen to the record even halfway thru before I get tired of it

>Movie scenes had a couple cool joints, but the best joints
>were imitation Dilla.
>

actually Donuts was imitation Madlib

>
>I don't understand why people say Donuts was inspired by
>Madlib, yall musta never heard the Dill Withers tape. Right
>now, Madlib's making a lot of beats that sound like homage
>paying Donuts. Madlib got way more from Dilla than Dilla got
>from Lib.
>

I've heard the Dill Withers tape
you obviously haven't herd enough Madlib
Libby doing that style predates Dilla by damn near 5 yrs
you sound like a reterded chustestuffing fagcake with prejizz in his adam's apple, you fool ass cockcavorter, you

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212. "i've heard all the madlib"
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i ain't up on every single jazz song he ever released or didn't release, but i know madlib's catalog. madlib didn't turn off the quantize until after he noticed dilla did. madlib ain't put claps on his snares until dilla had made it his signature. madlib didn't fuck with the synthy sound until the YNQ shit came out and this is how many years after raise it up and the don't nobody care about us...

madlib is definitely an ill muhfucka, but he ain't so ill that he's shitting on his main influence. your admission that wtd is waaaaaay doper than wlib is proof that he ain't surpassed the GOAT.

  

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213. "thats one album, HOMOHOUSER"
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and Dilla isn't his main influence either, fool
I never said he surpassed Dilla but Dilla didn't surpass him either
they were equal in my eyes and I don't favor one another

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204. "how is that undebatable?"
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LMAO


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214. "it's real simple..."
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they were on par when dilla was alive.
since he has passed lib has had the opportunity to do things dilla never did.
anyone that can't see that objectively is not worth talking to.
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216. "orly?"
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how does having the opportunity to do something someone else didnt, equal surpassing them?

john legend has the opportunity to do things stevie wonder doesnt...

  

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217. "*plays "The Healer" to this reply*"
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"This one is for Dilla..." who would have flipped the fuck out if he heard it and been inspired to do more.
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223. "nice reply"
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106. "Clearly you are an elitist and your posts come off"
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very pompous. I'm not sure if you're just trying to get in someone's good graces or simply batshit insane.

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108. "clearly you don't know who the fuck i am"
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118. "RE: clearly you don't know who the fuck i am"
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you're right i dont...and it doesnt matter. this post is pretty ridiculous.

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112. "muhahahahahahhahahaaha"
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NO

  

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114. "Main difference: Everyone who listened to rock knew who Jimi was"
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Hell, even people who didn't listen to rock knew Jimi, he was iconic.

To have Jimi-style influence, people have to at least know you. It's easy to get swept away by the pro-Dilla Lesson forget that most people have never heard of him, and people that have don't all ride for him like people do here.

This is a unique environment, not indicative of the Hip Hop community as a whole.

You say you hear Dilla's influence in late night TV? *shrugs* People see the virgin mary in tortillas.

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115. "yeah, pretty luda comparison..."
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Not to knock Dilla, bur Jimmy didn't play the guitar, that shit was an extension. Have you seen woodstock? He doesn't even look at the guitar. Just frying face off that headband, playin with his eyes closed. Two completely different musicians. Two completely different time periods. Two totally different people. Apples & oranges.
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130. "Sure, but we're talking influence not popularity."
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And yes you're saying amongst his peers and beyond Jimi was known. Fine. Amongst his peers and beyond Dilla is known too. Is it as broad a base know but who gives a fuck. Let's talk about the musical parallels not the heresay ones.
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137. "Addendum to address specifics"
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>To have Jimi-style influence, people have to at least know you.

I know it's probably not what you meant but 'style' in the above sentence means more than you put on it. I'm not talking style I'm talking technique influence. Musical talent, not type of stardom. I could care less about the stardom level of either artist.


>It's easy to get swept away by the pro-Dilla Lesson forget that most people have never heard of him, and people that have don't all ride for him like people do here.

Again I'm not using popularity to validate my claim. And popularity is the worst argument against a comparison of musical impact. Only thing worse is to bunch me in with the pro-Dilla Lesson. Never been one of em. And again they don't shape my claim. I'm talking strictly on musical merits and how the musical influence dispersed. Care to counter that?

>This is a unique environment, not indicative of the Hip Hop community as a whole.

This is a weak attempt to divert the discussion away from the topic at hand. There are ways to shut me down. Only one of them has been utilized so far.

>You say you hear Dilla's influence in late night TV? *shrugs* People see the virgin mary in tortillas.

Holla at ya message board leader about the virgin mary in tortillas. Don't get mad if he doesn't reply though, he's busy throwing Dillaisms all over late night tv.

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155. "It has nothing to do with fame"
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>I know it's probably not what you meant but 'style' in the
>above sentence means more than you put on it. I'm not talking
>style I'm talking technique influence. Musical talent, not
>type of stardom. I could care less about the stardom level of
>either artist.

Jimi influenced more people because more people cared about the music he made. Fourteen-year-old kids listened to his records and went on to carry his influence into the next generation of music. My point isn't that Jimi was more famous, but rather his widespread appeal is indicitive of the great number of people that cared about his music. Not that many people care about Dilla, even those who have heard of him. A select group of fanatics do, but most people don't.


>Again I'm not using popularity to validate my claim. And
>popularity is the worst argument against a comparison of
>musical impact.

Just so we're clear, no it's really not. You can't make musical impact if no one ever heard of you. The more people hear you the more of an impact you can make. You can make an impact with a small amount of the *right* people hearing you, theoretically, but popularity is generally correlated with impact. And I wasn't using popularity to invalidate your claim, but rather the fact that nobody really cared.

>I'm talking strictly on musical merits and
>how the musical influence dispersed. Care to counter that?

Yes. You are at least a little fanatic in how you imagine these influences to reveal themselves. You see them everywhere and the reason is obvious; it's because you really want to.

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164. "peep"
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>Jimi influenced more people because more people cared about
>the music he made. Fourteen-year-old kids listened to his
>records and went on to carry his influence into the next
>generation of music.

This is what I keep debating. I'll give fourteen year olds saying hey I want to play guitar because after hearing Jimi. And that's all well and good, but what I really don't hear is people really applying jimi's musical influence into their own skill set. An example of what I'm talking about would be if you could say well The Black Keys have a Jimi-esque approach to fusing blues and rock. But they don't. At all. Even if they were influenced by him it doesn't show up in the music. Only a handful of artists ever took up that torch and so no matter how influential he may have been on a 'ethereal' level, it didn't play out practically in the music. He was raised so high as a God that his music was deemed almost godly and unattainable by mere mortal guitarists.

Dilla on the other hand, his techniques disseminated. They are still challenging to do beyond the imitation level, but at the same time they are spreading. Far and wide. Folk seem so concerned with his popularity in mainstream views but it's beyond that. I mean you can still get a nice set of top hip-hop producers to tell you about his influence. But the real testament is that I can turn on the BBC and hear about the musical movements bubbling over there and those artists are talking about dilla influence. There's a scene in Korea that will drop Dilla's name as an influence. In New Zealand you got a soul collective putting out Dillafied soul. I talk to young jazz heads and they're saying they got their sense of rhythm listening to ?uest and Dilla.

This type of musical influence is contagious and spreading. It keeps Dilla in the realm of the living as opposed to Hendrix's godly status. It has nothing to do with fame or hits or popularity, or how 'deep' the impact of the work was, it's about the musical message was disseminated.


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166. "you could also say the same thing for Primo or Pete easily"
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171. "i've accounted for them above"
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as i've said a lot of it for dilla is consequential. dilla's legacy is a product of circumstance, but even without those circumstances the others that could have never got to really cannonize it. closest was shadow.
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167. "I'm sorry but this is some BULLSHIT"
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Are you really trying to put Dilla's influence over Hendrix's influence now? Are you serious?!?!?!?!

Not only that but you keep saying to everyone that popularity means nothing and is a weak argument (blah, blah, blah) but yet you've just typed how you can turn on the BBC and hear people talking about Dilla's influence, how there are crews in Korea and New Zealand who speak upon Dilla's influence etc... Basically what you are doing now is trying to use the same popularity argument FOR Dilla to try and prove your point (of which you don't have any really).

Man just STOP already!

I came into this conversation with an open mind about the topic but after discussing this with you and reading the rest of the conversation I will say that Dilla was NOT the Hendrix of this generation. Fuck outta here with that bullshit! I think you are being disingenuous and you even admitted yourself that you weren't even that big of a fan. Why you now decided to try and make a case for him just reeks of ULTERIOR MOTIVES that are not at all altruisitic. If an argument could be made on behalf of Dilla you certainly aren't the person to do it.

Just STOP already because you are embarassing yourself at this point.

Shock posting doesn't suit you at all.

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170. "it's not that serious and takes nothing from Hendrix"
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>Are you really trying to put Dilla's influence over Hendrix's
>influence now? Are you serious?!?!?!?!

Only if you qualify it the way I have. If you do the abridged version of course it sounds ridiculous.

>Not only that but you keep saying to everyone that popularity
>means nothing and is a weak argument (blah, blah, blah) but
>yet you've just typed how you can turn on the BBC and hear
>people talking about Dilla's influence, how there are crews in
>Korea and New Zealand who speak upon Dilla's influence etc...
>Basically what you are doing now is trying to use the same
>popularity argument FOR Dilla to try and prove your point (of
>which you don't have any really).

No I'm talking about artists. Not fans. But artists that are actively putting his musical influence into their work. See the clip from the jimi doc above and take the quote I pulled from it. Rock didn't radically change it's direction after Hendrix. It stood in shock and awe bearing witness to greatness. What could they do after that? "Get on stage and just strummed." Other than a handful of fringe artists that has been the trajectory of rock since. You don't hear Hendrix coming out of a grip of guitar players the way you do Dilla coming out of a grip of MPC players.

This takes nothing away from what Hendrix did. It doesn't diminish it in one bit. It just says that the influence of Dilla is more direct.

>Man just STOP already!

Nope.

>I came into this conversation with an open mind about the
>topic but after discussing this with you and reading the rest
>of the conversation I will say that Dilla was NOT the Hendrix
>of this generation. Fuck outta here with that bullshit!

The passion you put into that.

>I
>think you are being disingenuous and you even admitted
>yourself that you weren't even that big of a fan.

Why disingenuous, because I'm honest and objective. Does the fact that I'm not a fan and can respect the work of an artist indicate I'm not being honest?

>Why you now
>decided to try and make a case for him just reeks of ULTERIOR
>MOTIVES that are not at all altruisitic.

Ultereior motives that are not all altruistic? Like what, I'm trying to get Dilla to executive produce my next project? WTF? What do I gain by doing this other than getting more OKP's to think I'm batshit crazy until they come down to my level of insanity and realize I may not be so crazy after all. That takes time though.

I do have ulterior motives though. I want to see if people can speak on musical influence objectively. So far, not so good results.

>If an argument could
>be made on behalf of Dilla you certainly aren't the person to
>do it.

On behalf of Dilla? What does that mean. As for arguments being made. I'm pretty sure I'm the only one foolish enough to make such a claim, let alone actually face the ridicule to defend it.

>Just STOP already because you are embarassing yourself at this
>point.

The folk on here I give a fuck about know better than to dismiss me out of pocket.

>Shock posting doesn't suit you at all.

*This* is not shock posting.

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175. "fair enough but I respectfully disagree! n/m"
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136. "RE: Main difference: Everyone who listened to rock knew who Jimi was"
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>Hell, even people who didn't listen to rock knew Jimi, he was
>iconic.
>
>To have Jimi-style influence, people have to at least know
>you. It's easy to get swept away by the pro-Dilla Lesson
>forget that most people have never heard of him, and people
>that have don't all ride for him like people do here.
>
>This is a unique environment, not indicative of the Hip Hop
>community as a whole.
>
>You say you hear Dilla's influence in late night TV? *shrugs*
>People see the virgin mary in tortillas.



What u^^said....On the money....



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117. "you do realize that jimmy not only changed rock, but funk & soul"
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right?

because of jimi, both soul and funk artists added the guitar in a new dimension in their music in the 70's, starting with funkadelic and going strong for that entire decade, and on thru to the 80's.

as much as i like his stuff, (or some of it anyway) i can't see where dilla did that.

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122. "RE: you do realize that dilla not only changed hip-hop, but pop & soul"
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126. "*lol* you might wanna stick to hip-hop, dilla didn't touch soul"
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and before you even come with vodoo, try again. good album, but not hardly genre changing.

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129. ""Hip-Hop, is bigger than the government... this one is for dilla hip-hop..."
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Don't get me started on jazz. LOL.

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127. "you're giving him WAAAAAAY too much credit"
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and I don't care wat anyone says, when Phife said 'yall ain't doing neo-soul, yall doing Tribe' he was correct in saying such
and don't forget who REALLY kicked off that sound
ALI SHAHEED MUHAMMAD

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128. "keep your rocket in your pocket popp"
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i'm just defending the argument. i've left holes all over this bitch for anyone willing to go beyond a knee jerk response to be able to tear it apart (no popwell-o), but its funny how dilladumbass and dilladetractors seem incapable of having in depth discussion on it.

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131. "oh I ain't coming off on you"
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>i'm just defending the argument. i've left holes all over
>this bitch for anyone willing to go beyond a knee jerk
>response to be able to tear it apart (no popwell-o), but its
>funny how dilladumbass and dilladetractors seem incapable of
>having in depth discussion on it.
>

I see wat ur getting at dont worry bout it
you can't have an in depth discussion based on hyperbole

>kudos to the handful of cats in here holdin' it down

yyyyyyeah nigga
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255. "Eh, point of information "
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Q-Tip did most of the music not Ali.

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119. "If we limit &quot;our generation&quot; to Detroit hip-hop, yes."
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Otherwise, no.

Edit: Wonky won't last another year, that's why I'm not including that.

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242. "it wont?"
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>Edit: Wonky won't last another year, that's why I'm not
>including that.


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121. "/"
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fuck you.

  

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123. "YOU CAME BACK!!!"
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139. "somebody has studied how to make a buildingblock post 101"
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142. "..lol..i came in here to post this initially, but got distracted n/m"
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145. "LOL!! imcvspl is the buildingblock of this lesson generation"
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179. "Ha....a classic OKP moment right chea..!"
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https://chriswind.bandcamp.com/track/massage

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211. "i had to keep checkin' the name to make sure i ain't made this!"
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146. "I could see the validity in that but i dont agree"
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I think his influence on what hip-hop sounds like today will always be discernible. He created a soundscape that certain producers will always try to recreate and mostly never even acheive,like Hendrix on the guitar so i get the comparison. I just think Hip-hop isnt in the state Rock/Blues was in '69. Its apples and oranges. Hip-hop, though more apparent in its primitive days, is still too regional to crown 1 person with that honor, or burden.
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148. "can't be Jimi of the generation sampeling......sorry..."
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Dilla was dope though..

but you talking straight crazy.

  

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150. "say more, where's the limitation in dilla or the format?"
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151. "the limitation is in the medium...."
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I'm not saying hip hop isn't original..not at all. But you can't fairly compare someone who actually played the instruments, arranged the music, and the musicians...with someone who manipulates the final product..

it's just not comparable..

  

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152. "hmmmmmm...."
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>I'm not saying hip hop isn't original..not at all. But you
>can't fairly compare someone who actually played the
>instruments, arranged the music, and the musicians...with
>someone who manipulates the final product..

the massage is the medium

>it's just not comparable..

It is, just not on a one to one level. Except you started by admitting hip-hop is original despite the fact by your definition it shouldn't be. Rather it doesn't have to be. Under these conditions the artist that is able to bring something noteworthy enough to be called original, well that has to be respected.

So there are parallels which can be made on the measure of originality. And so I say the measure of originality for their medium between Jimi and Dilla are on a parallel level. Strictly talking music originality. Dilla has some shortcomings, yet arguably because of them, it could be said that the breadth of Dillas influence has the ability to dare I say it have a broader, in a direct sense, influence than Hendrix's, this could be argued as being enough to weigh out the shortcomings he has.

I'm strictly speaking musical here. The only personal element that comes into play is their both passing early in life, and the way that's affected the sense of overall output with them.

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163. "Yes you can"
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When you're discussing a genre that began with sampling.
What you're saying is like saying Jay-Z can't compare
himself to Jordan because he doesn't play basketball.
He's saying he is to Rap what Jordan is to basketball.
In the same vein, the poster is saying that Dilla is to
Hiphop what Hendrix is to rock and roll.
Not that I necessarily agree with either of the comparisons,
but they CAN be made logically.

  

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178. "jay z and basketball are apples and oranges...music is music"
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and comparing someone who makes something out of what others did in MUSIC...compared to someone who made original music from their own musicianship...are 2 different things in my opinion...

  

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206. "thats just your little box"
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you can compare whatever you want.

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210. "dilla was written/arranged original material same as hendrix"
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has worked with/directed musicians same as hendrix. some of you anti sample guys will never know how musical that shit really is.

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156. "wowsers, you've outdone yourself this time."
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157. "the thread that keeps on giving"
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159. "RUN DMC"
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161. "It took a long time for Hendrix's "
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influence to permeate into both popular culture and other bands. And I don't think that's happened with Dilla yet. My prediction is he'll stay an underground icon, but will never have a true lasting effect on music. I wish it wasn't that way, goddam everyone should be taking inspiration from Dilla. But right now not many are, and I don't see many in the future doing so either.

I've said it before, the person who's taken Dilla's legacy on best is Black Milk. If he can blow up, then Dilla could become the legend he deserves to. Most producers out there are going backwards though.

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162. "most of the artists that have the most impact aren't appreciated"
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in the timeframe of them creating their best works outside of the minority that really enjoy it off the bat
I personally don't think that something has to be able to be digested right away to be brilliant, we're just so used to instant gratification and niggas that don't want us to have to think because they're dumb as fuck in the first place

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168. "RE: James "Jay Dee / J Dilla" Yancey is also the Hendrix of our Generati..."
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his career was alot longer than Jimi's...Jimi was on for like 5 years.

  

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180. "more like 3 1/2"
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>his career was alot longer than Jimi's...Jimi was on for like
>5 years.

  

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203. "RE: more like 3 1/2"
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crazy when you think about it, isn't it?

  

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Most people know who Hendrix is but most people don't know who Dilla is.

  

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226. "hell no. hendrix changed the way people conceptualized the guitar."
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the use of feedbacks...
the colorful chords...

everybody that came after jimi changed up their sound.

a lot of those distortion pedals they sell for guitars
are trying to immitate the sounds that hendrix got
with a marshal amp, a wah wah, and tons of volume and feedbacks...

it influenced everything from punk to grunge to "classic rock"

no.

just no.

  

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227. "Ableton Live became what it is after Dilla died"
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228. "dude, hendrix made feedback a good thing."
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hendrix made feedback sound like notes.
before hendrix, feedback was something musicans tried to avoid.
it was considered a bad sound.
precautions were taken to avoid feedback.

now just about every guitar player uses feedback.
it's considered good.


the impact was seismic.
gutiar playing after hendrix was different.



what sounds did dilla create in hip-hop that had never been
heard before?

what sounds did dilla create
that became so popluar that they influenced musicians
outside of the context of hip-hop.

and i say outside the context of hip-hop
because anybody that plays guitar
uses sounds that were considered bad
because hendrix made that an acceptable thing.

there is no comparison.

  

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229. "if you think hendrix invented feedback...."
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You probably don't know who Albert Collins in. You also probably don't realize how many artists recorded feedback before Hendrix. You should probably look those things up and think about how you want to debate this with me first.

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235. "fair enough. i don't know who those people are."
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i do know this though...

the top acts of the 60s
were following hendrix because he was a game changer.

and even though hendrix may have not been the FIRST person to do things
(is anybody ever the first to do anything? MJ didn't "invent" the moonwalk)
i do know that hendrix was almost certainly one of the most POPULAR guys to do it.

that counts for something.

i'm going to leave this alone.
maybe i don't know enough about hendrix or rock music in general.

  

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231. "Nobody was programming drums like Jay Dee."
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Nobody.

Pete Rock and Q-Tip were funky, but I'm sure they'll BOTH tell you that their minds were blown when they heard Dilla's stuff for the first time.

I could write a book on this (as could many others on this site), but I thought it was obvious by now.

He was using the MPC3000 like nobody else.

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247. "Hate to burst your idiot bubble, but deadmau5 changed Ableton Live"
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into what it is today.

You're reaching. plain and simple. so much so that if i heard this in person i'd slap you.

let's play ping pong ■

  

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240. "dilla changed the way people conceptualized the chop"
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as well as tons of other things he did

but just what he did for the chop is enough for me
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232. "I won't be so bold."
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but I have noticed that influence creeping up like shit in the newer hip-hop I've latched on to in the last few years.

shit, even in Madlib beats. and I consider them contemporaries

  

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233. "that influence has been there..."
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...for a LONG TIME.

I think it's a fair comparison to make... at least for argument's sake.

  

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234. "I usually go to GD to get my laughs, but this was a good one... "
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Dilla = Hendrix....

HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa.... Thanks for that...

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236. "Dilla... "
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is Dilla. i think thats a compliment to both Dilla and Hendrix.

dilla would be equivalent to a hendrix. donuts is a testament to that.

the willingness to experiment and master his tool/weapon/method of expression.

jimi's was the guitar. dilla's was the sampler. i mean we've got a grip of folks that have come along and played the guitar, and there are people who could be argued to be better technically

albert king, b.b. king...that stuff can be argued. primo, pete rock, dre....

but as far as their bodies of work and the sonic backdrops they've provided...

you can't contest that.

do you make music? are you passionate about making music, or creating or some sport or something that you don't just do, but live?

these dudes were spiritually in tune with their music and it's not something you hear.

you feel them.

  

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237. "you're going all overboard with your point"
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you can't 'feel' Primo or Pete's shit?
you're fucking crazy at least and a real spermswisher at most

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daTopRamen
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238. "RE: you're going all overboard with your point"
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i think you misunderstood that part. im saying you can feel pete rock and primo. they are masters of the sampler as well, and they came before dilla. but there was something that dilla was bringin that was a little bit more special.

and fall back on the name callin. it aint that serious. its just opinions.

  

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252. "RE: you're going all overboard with your point"
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lol...lol...lol....not sure how you can love Dilla and not even like Pete and Preme....wow

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239. "I was gonna say this Dilla stannery has reached cult status..."
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but it is WAAAAAAAY beyond that. This is a religion.

  

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241. "it really has been cult status for quite some time."
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https://youtu.be/Kkp6UkSh5IQ

  

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243. "Lol, this is one of the dumbest shock posts in the history of the lesson..."
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Let Dilla be Dilla doggie. Hendrix's technical ability is far greater than rearranging an already composed piece of music. Dilla was a master arranger, that's it. Hendrix fused blues with jazz and wrote technically sophisticated song structures which he performed uniquely every time he performed, he was notorious for never playing the same song twice, meaning, every performance yielded a new outcome even though it was the same song because he would improvise so much on the spot, based on how he felt, what he experienced. There was nothing "Arranged" or "Rehearsed" about his sound.. he was a wild man with a guitar that was literally on fire. Dilla had some dope drum patterns and he knew how to work a chop but you're fucking crazy if you think he was on Hendrix level. Dilla prolly rolled over in his grave after he heard this post form the dead horse.

There is no Hendrix of our generation. Dilla is his own man, you are belittling his legacy by comparing him to another musician, from another fukcing genre all together you numb skull. Go play with some lego's, you'll feel better.

let's play ping pong ■

  

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244. "Whatever."
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>Let Dilla be Dilla doggie. Hendrix's technical ability is far
>greater than rearranging an already composed piece of music.

Hendrix kicked open the doors of what people could/would do with a guitar. If you can't see a parallel of what Dilla (or other innovators) did with a more contemporary style of music-making, then think a little harder.

>Hendrix fused blues
>with jazz and wrote technically sophisticated song structures
>which he performed uniquely every time he performed, he was
>notorious for never playing the same song twice, meaning,
>every performance yielded a new outcome even though it was the
>same song because he would improvise so much on the spot,
>based on how he felt, what he experienced. There was nothing
>"Arranged" or "Rehearsed" about his sound.. he was a wild man
>with a guitar that was literally on fire. Dilla had some dope
>drum patterns and he knew how to work a chop but you're
>fucking crazy if you think he was on Hendrix level. Dilla
>prolly rolled over in his grave after he heard this post form
>the dead horse.

You're comparing live performance to recording. What a waste...

  

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245. "Nothing Dilla did with an MPC has opened doors for anyone. "
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>>Let Dilla be Dilla doggie. Hendrix's technical ability is
>far
>>greater than rearranging an already composed piece of music.
>
>Hendrix kicked open the doors of what people could/would do
>with