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Boogie Stimuli
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"Can we get a D'angelo-type discussion about this Coultrain EP?"


          

http://freshselects.bandcamp.com/album/side-effex-of-make-believe-divided-for-loves-sake

I mean come ON, son!
R&B music of the year.
"The Reintroduction"???
"Let's Pretend It'll Last"???
The WRITING going on here???
"Like A Dusty Piano"???

Duke is on another level.



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my new favorite post of the year.
Dec 29th 2014
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LOL
Dec 29th 2014
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Go back to Run The Jewels. El-P's balls are dry. You have trash taste.
Dec 30th 2014
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      don't be so mad all the time kid ray
Dec 31st 2014
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           Do you like Fka Twigs but hate The Wknd?
Jan 02nd 2015
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                bruh, I don't hate the Weeknd
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Won't get it here, not enough hyperbole to go around with that guy
Dec 30th 2014
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Lol.
Dec 30th 2014
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      Aaron Hall?
Dec 30th 2014
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      Definitely a random inclusion...
Dec 31st 2014
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      Just trying to answer your question
Dec 31st 2014
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      Word, and I do feel you.
Dec 31st 2014
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      RE: Lol.
Dec 31st 2014
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      RE: Lol.
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      CMON MAN
Jan 03rd 2015
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Let's pretend it will last is one of my favorite songs of his in a
Dec 30th 2014
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RE: comes in here to praise black spade/stoney rock/veto money's brillia...
Dec 30th 2014
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ALT-MUSIQSOULCHILD
Dec 31st 2014
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no.
Dec 31st 2014
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Hell to the naw !!!
Dec 31st 2014
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You're way off on this one.
Dec 31st 2014
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^^ This is how you KNOW mf's don't be listening to the damn music.
Jan 02nd 2015
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That's cute. Y'all rolled up in here like a pack of hit dogs.
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      Nah just a pack of people who called you on your bullshit.
Jan 03rd 2015
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           How is an opinion false?
Jan 03rd 2015
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                You made the statement. You persuade us of the merit thereof.
Jan 03rd 2015
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yeah, nah bruh, just no
Jan 03rd 2015
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The Reintroduction...............WHEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWW
Dec 31st 2014
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Be A Darling and Pass the Jam !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Man, that beat switch is noice.
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KennyFresh
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1. "my new favorite post of the year."
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lol

i'm glad you dig it, man

for anyone who missed the previous post: http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2909529&mesg_id=2909529&listing_type=search

first music video coming in January

http://freshselects.com
Coultrain - Side Effex Of Make-Believe http://bit.ly/FSX-004
Low Leaf - AKASHAALAY http://bit.ly/_FSX-003
Mndsgn - Inedia remix EP http://bit.ly/FSX-002_
Mndsgn - Breatharian album http://bit.ly/FSX001_

  

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astralblak
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Mon Dec-29-14 08:59 PM

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2. "LOL"
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I never, ever, have understood what people found so remarkable about Coltrain's music

I like/love a song here and there

but his projects, the voice, the supposed song writing, ends up being so forgettable for the most part

  

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Kid Ray
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3. "Go back to Run The Jewels. El-P's balls are dry. You have trash taste."
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Tue Dec-30-14 12:20 AM by Kid Ray

  

          

Why am I not surprised you don't like quality music.

  

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astralblak
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11. "don't be so mad all the time kid ray"
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'member you love Mac Miller

and you claim you don't like Voodoo

and 'member we both LOVE Black Messiah

see how people can have different tastes

give me BJ the Chicago Kid, Jeremih & Shlomo, FTA Twigs, and Majid Jordan over Coltrain any day

now cry

  

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Kid Ray
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24. "Do you like Fka Twigs but hate The Wknd?"
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It's the same shit. Hahaha that was hella random.

  

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astralblak
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28. "bruh, I don't hate the Weeknd"
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O_O

  

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Garhart Poppwell
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4. "Won't get it here, not enough hyperbole to go around with that guy"
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plus his music isn't really as forward thinking as some make it out to be, but then again neither is D'Angelo's.

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Boogie Stimuli
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5. "Lol."
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I don't really care if music is "forward-thinking". I just like it to be good.

I mean, I really like the Black Messiah album despite not thinking D'angelo is the
2nd coming of anything other than himself after 14 yrs. Unlike cats who were jumping off
the deep-end left and right in that post, saying he's vocally on par with Marvin Gaye,
Aaron Hall, and Phillip Bailey and all kinds of astronomically comical stuff.

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8. "Aaron Hall?"
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That was an odd inclusion.

https://digife.com

  

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Boogie Stimuli
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13. "Definitely a random inclusion..."
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The guy threw him in there though.

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Garhart Poppwell
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9. "Just trying to answer your question"
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with some sort of sound and experienced reasoning. You know how these people are.

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Boogie Stimuli
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10. "Word, and I do feel you."
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>with some sort of sound and experienced reasoning. You know
>how these people are.

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astralblak
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12. "RE: Lol."
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>I don't really care if music is "forward-thinking". I just
>like it to be good.

so what does the post saying "Duke is on another level" imply?
that he's forward thinking, no?

post a song and explain why "we" should love him

here I'll start:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_lhSqOPdmw

great blend of the neo-soul aesthetic, with the sound soCal neoBlack new wave. and a damn good video too.

see no need for hyperbole or to bring D into the convo. just start the damn convo

  

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Boogie Stimuli
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14. "RE: Lol."
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Wed Dec-31-14 05:49 PM by Boogie Stimuli

          

>so what does the post saying "Duke is on another level"
>imply?
>that he's forward thinking, no?


That his music is better than alotta folks, imo. You're not that slow.


>post a song and explain why "we" should love him


I just posted a whole EP and named specific songs from it.


>here I'll start:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_lhSqOPdmw
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>great blend of the neo-soul aesthetic, with the sound soCal
>neoBlack new wave. and a damn good video too.


Thanks for the post contribution, O_E

>see no need for hyperbole

If you wanna attack hyperbole, the D'angelo post is a great place to start.
But you ain't about that. You're about coming at me ever since I called O_E out.
You gotta do better with your aliasing man.


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27. "CMON MAN"
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>Unlike cats who were jumping off
>the deep-end left and right in that post, saying he's vocally
>on par with Marvin Gaye,
>Aaron Hall, and Phillip Bailey and all kinds of astronomically
>comical stuff.

first off, go back into the bilal post and address my request for specific examples for your argument. bilal "creates more"? WHERE DO YOU THINK HE "CREATES SOMETHING COMPLETELY NEW"???:

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2913211&mesg_id=2913211&page=2#2914658

second, including aaron hall wasn't "random" at all. d'angelo cited aaron hall as an influence in his recent red bull interview with chairman mao:

http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/magazine/dangelo-black-messiah-inspirations-interview

as for d'angelo's singing, he's developed his own unique voice that's just as moving and creative (or effective) as all the singers i listed. you said they could "sing him under the table" and i call bullshit.

out the gate, he was doing some really interesting shit, especially with his vox arrangements: "dreamin eyes" "alright" "higher" etc. i can't recall any of his contemporaries bringing that many layers and nuances and creativity, especially not when they were 19-21. the press always citied marvin, but i thought he was channeling old gospel vocal groups.

and his rap/singing style on the song "brown sugar"...d's music has always been informed by hip-hop, which gave everything and added edge the others didn't (or never had). dudes on my high school bball squad never felt soft when they had "brown sugar" in their walkman on the bus.

and related to that, his falsetto voice has always been as masculine as it is pretty. that's not easy to pull off. others had pretty falsettos, but it could get feminine (and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that at all), or even whiney and shrill.

starting with the jazz cafe show, i noticed that he was adding some of that "squaller", which i think sounded more like an extension of his playing and added some funk even more edge. this is when i noticed that his voice was really becoming his own.

but it was still beautiful and moving: see "untitled". honestly, any singer who tries to cover "untitled" sounds off. they might pull off the pretty part, but there's no muscle behind it. see: usher and adam levine's live cover on "the voice". no other singer can touch that song.

then he gives "the root" which built on all the shit above, and created something no other singer could EVER touch. so many layers, so beautiful, so moving, so much technical stuff (backwards shit, singing in between chords, etc.), voices coming outta nowhere, etc.

"devil's pie" = slaves singing the in fields over a fat joe-rejected primo beat??? what other singer is that creative???

and he can get a little weird too. "glass mountain trust" and "tutu" sound like erykah singing from outer space. so he can have a masculine falsetto AND a warped interstellar female sci-fi voice???

but then when you think he depends too much on fx, harmonies, and weirdness, he gives us "prayer" which may be his most beautiful, naked, painful, performance yet. even before that, his "everybody loves the sunshine" cover was just one voice.

he's got vocal strength live: his national anthem performance, "devils" pie during the voodoo tours, even his recent afro punk show.

and he's got the ballads: "higher" "cruisin" "heaven must be like this" "send it on" "untitled" "really love" "another life"

given the above, i think he deserves to be in the conversation.


Happy 50th D’Angelo: https://chrisp.bandcamp.com/track/d-50

  

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6. "Let's pretend it will last is one of my favorite songs of his in a"
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while...

really good

  

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7. "RE: comes in here to praise black spade/stoney rock/veto money's brillia..."
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15. "ALT-MUSIQSOULCHILD"
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16. "no."
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get the entire fuck outta here with that one.



http://freshselects.com
Coultrain - Side Effex Of Make-Believe http://bit.ly/FSX-004
Low Leaf - AKASHAALAY http://bit.ly/_FSX-003
Mndsgn - Inedia remix EP http://bit.ly/FSX-002_
Mndsgn - Breatharian album http://bit.ly/FSX001_

  

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17. "Hell to the naw !!!"
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He was cultivating a fine nigga farm (c)Goldmind.

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19. "You're way off on this one."
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Since 1976

  

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Boogie Stimuli
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21. "^^ This is how you KNOW mf's don't be listening to the damn music."
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23. "That's cute. Y'all rolled up in here like a pack of hit dogs."
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Btw, I like Coultrain.

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Boogie Stimuli
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25. "Nah just a pack of people who called you on your bullshit."
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And I suppose it's "cute" that you made a completely false statement and think it's
cute that people called it false.
So cutesies.

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26. "How is an opinion false? "
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You (all of you) replied with nothing to dissuade me from my opinion.

If you would like...we could actually have a conversation about why I think he sounds like Musiq.

You think your fragile ego could handle it?

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30. "You made the statement. You persuade us of the merit thereof."
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29. "yeah, nah bruh, just no"
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18. "The Reintroduction...............WHEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWW "
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Beautiful love song, man. Makes me want to get back in the podcast game again. Mr. Train did the damn thing. And the productions is lovely. It's the perfect album to make put "Black Messiah" on pause, for a second, to take this album in.


silk.later Reunion radio with Old P. & Silk http://reunionradio.blogspot.com/

"i'm talking about *Balls Deep*....In Love (c)Cleveland Jr.

He was cultivating a fine nigga farm (c)Goldmind.

R.I.P Jamie Hubley

  

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20. "Be A Darling and Pass the Jam !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes !!!!!!!!!!!!! I need tour dates.


silk.later Reunion radio with Old P. & Silk http://reunionradio.blogspot.com/

"i'm talking about *Balls Deep*....In Love (c)Cleveland Jr.

He was cultivating a fine nigga farm (c)Goldmind.

R.I.P Jamie Hubley

  

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22. "Man, that beat switch is noice."
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