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Strangeways
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"Prince and madhouse........"


          

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thanks
Mar 02nd 2012
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Prince and madhouse........(Swipe that shit...lol)
Mar 02nd 2012
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Prince doing Mike hammer theme Music meets Kenny G is tired
Mar 02nd 2012
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RE: Prince doing Mike hammer theme Music meets Kenny G is tired
Mar 02nd 2012
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you are just a tired Purple Kool Aid head who can't take no opinions
Mar 02nd 2012
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      RE: you are just a tired Purple Kool Aid head who can't take no opinions
Mar 02nd 2012
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           i don't hardly Hate Prince, i told you back in the day he was cool
Mar 02nd 2012
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                RE: i don't hardly Hate Prince, i told you back in the day he was cool
Mar 03rd 2012
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Rick James doing jazz would not have worked.
Mar 05th 2012
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I've Always Wished That Miles Davis Did The Debut Madhouse Album,,,
Mar 02nd 2012
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the first time i heard "powerful fantastic," i wondered if it was miles ...
Mar 05th 2012
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      Its Not Him,,,
Mar 05th 2012
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           you're right.
Mar 05th 2012
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RE: Prince and madhouse........
Mar 05th 2012
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ha! thankfully all the ugliness got wiped out of this thread.
Mar 05th 2012
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i still can't get over how "dense" all this stuff is.
Mar 05th 2012
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i listened over the weekend and preferred the 1st album over the 2nd.
Mar 05th 2012
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The Track "8" Is The Prelude To "U Got The Look"
Mar 05th 2012
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      i read that and disagreed after i listened.
Mar 05th 2012
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           I Haven't Listened To It Yet,,,,
Mar 05th 2012
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           there are sonic similarities, but '8'
Mar 05th 2012
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           nothing to disagree with tho - it is. Same chords, preset, everything
Mar 05th 2012
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                see #21
Mar 05th 2012
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No it didn't, Maxx's post are still here.
Mar 05th 2012
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it got much worse than this.
Mar 05th 2012
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      Yep, but don't bet against his manic desire to be a bellend.
Mar 05th 2012
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RE: ha! thankfully all the ugliness got wiped out of this thread.
Mar 05th 2012
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RE: Prince and madhouse........
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1. "thanks"
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murph71
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2. "Prince and madhouse........(Swipe that shit...lol)"
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Cool shit...let it all hang out...

This is why dude was the GOAT of his era....

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Syncopated Strut
Madhouse

by Miles Marshall Lewis



The DJ at Le Réservoir spins nothing but 1980s vinyl loaded with LinnDrum beats and synthesizers for Parisians packing the smallish dance floor, but nobody minds. The NPG Party is the only fête in town where gorgeous French women gladly fall into step with the mechanized drum programming on Sheila E. rare grooves like “Too Sexy” and “Shortberry Strawcake.” The infectious blend of funk-rock, new wave, and R&B music once known as the Minneapolis Sound prepares everyone for tonight’s main event: Rad, featuring saxophonist Eric Leeds.

You see, Rad is an alumna of the New Power Generation, class of 2004. And Leeds famously spent years in the Revolution during the mid-’80s. Both groups have flanked Prince, architect of the Minneapolis Sound, stretching back over two decades (the Revolution from 1983–86; various lineups of the NPG from 1990 to now). So Rad—born Rose Ann Dimalanta—will be preaching to the converted this springtime Sunday night, having played keyboards in the NPG once upon a time.

Rad, a petite forty-year-old Filipina in a sleeveless sequined top with white slacks, stands center stage behind her bank of synths at the stroke of nine. Fronting a five-piece band, she powers through many original funk numbers from her own records for over an hour before dipping into the catalog of the man whose genius has been the purple elephant in the room through her whole show.

“Mutiny! I said I’m taking over,” Rad sings, atop James Brownish staccato horn blasts from Eric Leeds. “You gotta give up this ship. You should’ve been a little more hip.”

Tall, lanky, and bespectacled, suited in all black, fifty-seven-year-old Leeds eyes trombonist Greg Boyer (another NPG alum) as a quick signal before blowing the house down. Leeds approximates his own original solo from “Mutiny,” recorded back in late 1984 for the eponymously titled album of Prince protégé band the Family.

Known intimately by the dancing crowd at Le Réservoir, the Family is most familiar to the general public for “Nothing Compares 2 U,” a ballad brought to the top of worldwide charts by Sinéad O’Connor in 1990. Nominally an R&B quintet, the Family stands tall in Prince lore for introducing live horns into the one-man-band’s musical output. The Family secretly features Prince undercover on every instrument except Eric Leeds’s saxophone and flute. The group was predictably short-lived, but not before inspiring Prince to create another pseudo band with himself secretly playing every instrument except Leeds’s sax and flute.

That band was the jazz-fusion outfit Madhouse. Drummer Billy Johnson strikes the opening fill to “Six,” and the crowd goes wild. At the lip of the stage, a dredlocked fan starts acting out with a French brunette, throwing up goofy Egyptian hieroglyphic hand gestures and shimmying around. Because if you paid twenty-five euros to see Eric Leeds play an intimate Parisian nightclub, Madhouse’s “Six” is the song you’ve been waiting all night long to hear. Sax and keyboard variations on one sinuous musical riff center “Six” in a funky, rhythmic groove; “Six” reached number five on Billboard’s Black Singles Chart in early 1987, the age of Beverly Hills Cop’s hit instrumental, “Axel F.”

Madhouse, for the relatively few paying attention, was one of those riddles wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma that Churchill talked about. Every piece of the group’s cover art—two albums, three singles—featured only twenty-one-year-old Maneca Lightner, credited as the “Madhouse cover girl,” dressed in sexy polka-dotted outfits with a Yorkshire terrier. Lightner, it so happens, was dating Prince casually at the time. Warner Bros. Records released the band’s first album, 8, through Prince’s Paisley Park Records label on January 21, 1987, and the album credits made no mention of the band members. Those same credits claimed that 8 was recorded at Madhouse Studios in Pittsburgh, a studio that doesn’t exist.

The riddle-mystery-enigma went even deeper. Minnesota’s Star Tribune reviewed 8 the day after its release and presented Madhouse as the brainchild of Atlanta keyboardist Austra Chanel. The group, according to an official bio from publicist Howard Bloom, consisted of Chanel, drummer John Lewis, bassist Bill Lewis, and Eric Leeds. As you might gather by now, neither Chanel nor the Lewis brothers existed either, but nationwide newspapers and magazines began echoing the misinformation.

Warner Bros. delivered Madhouse’s 16 album on November 18, just ten months after 8, with bass player Levi Seacer Jr. and keyboardist Matt Fink added to the lineup, real-life musicians from Prince’s recent touring band for his Sign o’ the Times album. Stranger still, that two-month European tour featured Madhouse as the opening act with a slightly different lineup, essentially the 16 assemblage but with longtime Prince associate Dale Alexander on drums.

Prince was already infamous for this kind of playful deception. By 1987, he was notorious for writing effortless hit singles for others using flimsy pseudonyms. Nobody believed Christopher (of the Bangles’ “Manic Monday”) or Alexander Nevermind (Sheena Easton’s “Sugar Walls”) composed anything. Beginning with the Time and continuing with Vanity 6, Apollonia 6, Sheila E., the Family, and Jill Jones, Prince was also legendary for writing and playing most everything on his protégés’ records. Madhouse marked the last time in Prince’s career that he ever would. (Subsequent Paisley Park acts—the Three O’Clock, Dale Bozzio, Tony LeMans, Taja Sevelle, Good Question, Carmen Electra—were, for better or worse, largely left to their own devices.) Never again would Prince go to such absurd lengths to pretend he had nothing to do with an act he wrote and played almost everything for.

Fans collect near the soundboard of Le Réservoir after the show, where Rad stands behind a table posing for photos, selling CDs, and autographing them. To the side is Eric Leeds, with his own display of solo albums: his début Times Squared, Things Left Unsaid, Now & Again, Cleopatra’s Dream. No Madhouse.

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“ ‘Susannah’s Pajamas’ was among the tunes we recorded on the first day,” Eric Leeds says, describing the very first instrumental he recorded with Prince, at a warehouse on Flying Cloud Drive in Eden Prairie, Minnesota, in July 1984. “Prince already had the basic tracks done, so I was overdubbing. He had no particular melody line in mind for the tune, so I just treated it as a long solo. Mostly it was just an ad-lib that became the ‘melody’ of the song, so to speak.”

You can chase Prince’s jazz ambitions and the origins of Madhouse down several avenues. Son of jazz pianist John L. Nelson, Prince was born with improvisation, syncopation, and swing in his blood. (Prince Rogers Nelson was named after his dad’s local Minneapolis ensemble, the Prince Rogers Trio.) Then, his instrumental compositions date back to “God (Love Theme from Purple Rain),” recorded in February ’84 and released as the U.K. B-side of “Purple Rain.” Two years later, the Parade era’s slight piano meditation “Venus de Milo” and sublime rock ballad “Alexa de Paris” (B-side of the “Mountains” single) were more excursions into jazz territory, but they arrived a year after two significant Eric Leeds collaborations on The Family. “Susannah’s Pajamas”—originally entitled “Mazarati”—and “Yes,” also recorded in ’84, laid a notable foundation for Madhouse.

“ ‘Yes’ was recorded several months later ,” Leeds continues. “Prince had the track done; I believe Wendy Melvoin played some guitar. He basically left it entirely up to me to do what I wanted. I created the melody and overdubbed several sax lines to make a section played flute. The final version is edited from the original track, which was quite a bit longer. To be honest, I never cared for the mix or the edit, as it didn’t make much sense to me musically. Also, several of the harmony lines were, shall we say, underrepresented. So the final mix doesn’t really reflect what I had in mind when I recorded it. Obviously Prince heard it a bit differently.”

• • •

Eric Jeffrey Leeds was born on January 19, 1952, into a middle-class family in Milwaukee. His father, Herbert, ran a Gimbels department store and later founded the Leeds Business Counseling retail-consulting firm; his mother, Dorothy, had been a lieutenant in the navy during WWII. At the age of fourteen, his family relocated to Pittsburgh, and Eric began studying under blind saxophone prodigy Eric Kloss.

Signed to Prestige Records, Kloss had previously recorded with famed Miles Davis rhythm section musicians Jack DeJohnette and Chick Corea, among others. Influenced by the hard bop style of Ray Charles saxophonist David “Fathead” Newman, Leeds played funk, R&B, and jazz fusion in Pennsylvania clubs throughout the late ’70s and early ’80s with a local eight-piece band called Takin’ Names.

When Bruce Springsteen kicked off his Born in the USA tour from Minnesota in June 1984, the state’s premier rock star paid a backstage visit. The meeting with Springsteen and the late E Street Band sax man Clarence Clemons may have inspired Prince to add live brass to his own band, a theory Leeds once shared with Prince biographer Per Nilsen in Dance Music Sex Romance: Prince – The First Decade.

By then, former James Brown tour manager Alan Leeds (Eric’s older brother) had started setting dates for the upcoming Purple Rain tour, having joined Prince’s team a year earlier. Prince expressed his need for a saxophone player; Alan passed along an audition tape Eric had already submitted to Sheila E. to join her band that spring. And on November 15, as the Purple Rain tour passed through North Carolina, Prince asked the thirty-two-year-old saxophonist onstage with the Revolution for “Baby, I’m a Star.” Leeds soon became a fixture on the tour, in just the right place at the right time for the creation of the Family.

“As far as the Family thing, there’s a whole story as to how that band came about,” Alan Leeds says, in a telephone interview from Minneapolis. Former Time members Paul Peterson (lead vocals), Jellybean Johnson (drums), and Jerome Benton (percussion) were grouped with Revolution guitarist Wendy’s twin sister Susannah Melvoin (Prince’s fiancée, on lead vocals) and Eric Leeds for the Family. “It was an outgrowth of the fact that the Time was breaking up. Prince finally threw up his hands and said, ‘I’ll show those motherfuckers.’ Eric had been a part of the extended family, and it was like, let’s put him in . That’ll give it an identity, because we don’t really have saxophone in our other groups. And Eric was probably the most mature, experienced musician of the whole bunch.”

If Clemons nudged Prince in the direction of adding Leeds to the Paisley Park family to begin with, none other than Miles Davis seems indirectly responsible for Madhouse and the steps that led up to the 8 album.

Prince composed both “Father’s Song” and “God (Love Theme from Purple Rain)” as incidental music for his blockbuster film—recall the song playing during your hero’s foreplay with Apollonia, cupping her breasts in his netherworldly bedroom—and most pre-Madhouse instrumentals resulted from such movie scoring.

“Certain melodies and things, I guess he decided justified being a B-side or an album track as opposed to just incidental film score,” Alan Leeds says. “Alexa de Paris” and “Venus de Milo” came straight out of scoring for the French-based Under the Cherry Moon in July 1985, the farcical romantic comedy destined to bomb horribly twelve months later. He recorded the moving piano ballad “An Honest Man” strictly for its opening scene—a song Prince’s gigolo pianist character Christopher Tracy plays while seducing a wealthy lady on the Riviera—and never released it.

Over the years, Prince has written other instrumentals that remain hidden in his legendary Paisley Park Studios vault of backlog material: “Wet Dream’s Cousin” for Vanity 6; “And That Says What?” for an aborted Dream Factory album; plus “Tibet,” “Susannah’s Blues,” “Soulpsychodelicide,” “It Ain’t Over ’til the Fat Lady Sings,” and a couple others. But on December 26, Prince completed “Can I Play with U?” for Tutu, jazz legend Miles Davis’s first album for their mutual Warner Bros. Records label.

The abridged history of Miles Davis and Prince goes something like this. Miles started talking to the media about his love for Prince’s music circa Around the World in a Day (1985). Miles’s camp asked for a Prince tune for Tutu. Prince wrote and sent “Can I Play with U?” with Eric Leeds on sax. Miles overdubbed his trumpet, returned the tape…and their collaboration wasn’t the greatest. Prince and Miles never worked together again.

(Postscript: You can hear thirty seconds of “Can I Play with U?” on the CBC radio documentary box set Miles Davis: The Man with the Horn. Miles also added Prince’s sprightly “Movie Star” to his set list in 1987. One such performance features on the Miles Davis: Live in Berlin DVD. Finally, Miles also appeared on “Sticky Wicked,” a funky, Prince-penned Chaka Khan track from 1988.)

What with the presence of Eric Leeds, the scoring of Under the Cherry Moon, and the Miles Davis flirtation, these were jazzy times at Paisley Park. “Prince was at a point where he was really interested in jamming with his musicians,” Alan Leeds says. “From that would come discussions about music. Eric, Wendy, and Lisa were turning him onto records.”

Prince began listening more closely to Miles Davis, Duke Ellington, and John Coltrane, and whatever he absorbed seeped its way into his music. “They would just turn the tape on and play,” he continues. “It was really quite improvisational. Out of that came some riffs. Somebody would come up with a lead line or a melody, and Prince would say, ‘That’s good, keep playing that,’ and they’d improvise on it. Those were the Flesh sessions. The Flesh stuff was really hot, and I think the Madhouse idea grew out of that.”

Curiouser and curiouser. On December 28, days after finishing “Can I Play with U?” for Miles Davis, a four-hour jam known as “Paisley Jam” almost led Prince to form yet another band called the Flesh. The Flesh was the beta version of Madhouse, a jazzy freestyle jam band with Eric Leeds, drummer Sheila E., and bassist Levi Seacer Jr. playing together for hours at Sunset Sound Recording Studios in Hollywood at the end of 1985. A second session went down on December 30. Hours of tape resulted in “Madrid,” “U Just Can’t Stop,” “Run Amok,” “12 Keys,” “Mobile,” “Slaughterhouse,” “High Calonic,” and “Breathless.” The following week, Wendy, Lisa, and Jonathan Melvoin (Wendy’s brother, on percussion) joined the Flesh for a so-called “Everybody’s Jam,” a record seven-hour-straight jam. This was parsed into “Finest Whiskey,” “Voodoo Who,” and “U Gotta Shake Something.”

Less than a month after the so-called Flesh sessions began, an album was compiled.

“It was like, ‘Yeah, we should call this the Flesh! That’ll be the name of the band!’ ” Alan Leeds recalls. “It’s one of those things where you’re all excited for about three days, you move onto something else and it just goes away.” By January 22, 1986, a mixed and edited The Flesh included the twenty-minute “Junk Music” as an opener, with tracks entitled “Up From Below,” “Y’all Want Some More?,” and “A Couple of Miles” planned for side two. (The latter track was a Miles Davis–inspired tune composed the same day as “Can I Play with U?”)

In the end, The Flesh was reduced to thirty seconds of background music in Under the Cherry Moon (at 36:16, if you’re curious), a brief snippet of “Junk Music.”

Common knowledge says, if you search “control freak” on Wikipedia, a picture of Prince appears. If you’ve got even passing familiarity with Prince, it won’t come as much surprise that he’d shelve the democratic jazz-fusion of the Flesh for the controlled one-man-band approach of Madhouse. The move fits with his disbanding the Revolution to avoid creative differences with Wendy and Lisa; or allowing his classic material to stay unremastered because of animosity against his former Warner Bros. record label; or refusing to let a young-gun producer like Questlove (for example) modernize his sound for the twenty-first century. Prince is determined to make even detrimental artistic choices based on his being able to run shit.

• • •

“I remember it started with him calling me one afternoon and asking if I would like to come over to his house and ‘play some jazz,’ ” Eric Leeds remembers, reflecting on that fateful Friday. “I think he said his father was there also, though by the time I got there, his father had left. Prince had some tracks already recorded. We sat at the piano and worked out the melody lines, which were mostly his, and the harmonic changes for the solos. Then we went in the studio, and I started playing. We recorded the entire album over the course of three days.”

Done from September 28 to October 1, 1986, at the basement studio of Prince’s ranch-style mansion in suburban Chanhassen, Minnesota, Madhouse’s 8 was in stores by January ’87. Eight instrumental tunes—entitled “One,” “Two,” “Three,” etc.—made up the thirty-eight-minute album. Portuguese eye candy Maneca Lightner adorned the sleeve wearing a two-piece, 1950s-style polka-dotted swimsuit with a red wide-brim sun hat. Picture the buxom Lightner on a beach, hand on her hip, between a sandcastle and a Yorkie begging on its hind legs for the red ball in her other hand. On the jacket’s flipside, she lifts her doggie for a kiss. They saved the back shot (you knew there’d be one) for the single, “Six,” Miss Lightner standing on the sand with her booty facing photographer Richard Litt’s camera.

“I honestly don’t remember, because that was my first time in L.A.,” Lightner says now from Los Angeles, trying to remember the location of the shoot. “Most beach areas look alike, and I’m sure they told me back then, but I can’t be certain. If I had to guess, I would have to say somewhere in Malibu, but I’m simply not sure.” Richard Litt confirms: “The first shooting was in Malibu, and the following day, I shot in a studio in downtown Los Angeles. The dog was rented from an agency.”

Imagine the surprise Prince’s demo tape stirred up for Warner Bros. execs in the ’70s when they realized the teen wonder was rocking every instrument Stevie Wonder style. 8 carries the same shock. Jazz, even the fusion derivative of the mid-’80s, is rooted in improvisation. Jazzman Prince layering his piano and keyboards on top of his own bass, on top of his own drums, continuously reacting to himself as a stranger from a musician’s point of view, is Prince earning his musical genius reputation.

“I did all the sax and flute, and Prince played everything else,” Eric Leeds confirms. “Much has been said about his insistence on not letting it be known that he was involved with the project. His motives are his own, but as I remember it, he wanted the music to be related to on its own merits, and perhaps was concerned that if it was released as a ‘Prince jazz album,’ it would draw more attention to the idea that Prince would play jazz than to the value of the music itself.

“The jazz community can be pretty brutal in its regard for the idea that a pop musician would have the arrogance to consider himself a jazz musician. By the ‘jazz community,’ I mean the writers and critics. Ironically, many jazz musicians that I know really dug the album and were convinced that Prince was behind it from the very start.”

Saxophonist James Carter, cause of the greatest buzz in modern jazz since the début of Pulitzer-winning trumpeter Wynton Marsalis, remembers 8 fondly. “Man, Madhouse brings back memories of a high school talent show in which we performed ‘Six’ as an instrumental,” says Carter, recalling his Northwestern High days in Detroit. “I always dug Eric Leeds’s sparse baritone sax work throughout the piece. Prince lays down one of the funkiest grooves in D minor; Eric jabs like a boxer.”

You could visit certain hipsters in 1965 and be guaranteed to find John Coltrane’s A Love Supreme in their living rooms. Fast-forward to ’73 and we’re talking Head Hunters by Herbie Hancock. Aside from being landmark albums in jazz, the records were badges of cool for their time (and even now), tchotchkes that revealed as much about the buyers’ sophistication as their tastes in music. Believe it or not, 8 became one of those records in 1987.

The album 8 didn’t even go gold (marking 500,000 copies in sales). Anyone owning a copy in the late ’80s was either 1. a Paisley Park fanatic, or 2. a young somebody searching for an entrée into contemporary jazz, introduced to Madhouse by a diehard Prince lover. Even now, mere mention of Madhouse’s 8 works as a password into a Skull and Bones–like secret society, separating true Prince followers from the wannabes.

For a jazz album without any vocals, 8 is a vividly describable record. For starters, Prince is a sexy beast on the drums. These aren’t his trusty LinnDrum beats; these are all-the-way-live crash and splash cymbals, toms, bass, snare, and hi-hat drums. But it’s the little idiosyncrasies that turn 8 into a charming, descriptive record. The Beatleseque quirks in his music were always equally as responsible for Prince’s cult following as the music itself: backwards guitar solos, hidden messages revealed by spinning the vinyl counterclockwise, self-referential in-jokes. 8 contains enough of these eccentricities to keep things patently Prince.

“Two,” for instance, is a mid-tempo number (no pun intended) that slowly builds up to a climactic keyboard solo at the end. But the entire song runs over a comical conversation you can never quite hear clearly. “My theory behind playing the saxophone is very easy,” someone says at the beginning. “Blow in one end.” Later on, the same joker questions, “Can I get sued for plagiarism? Everybody shut up and listen to me. Where’s the melody?” You have to strain to hear punch lines like, “That’s why I get paid by the note,” until the tune ends gently with the delayed tsss of a cymbal. What the hell were they talking about? We’ll never know.

A series of eleven phone-conversation samples runs through “Five.” Prince starts a leisurely funky drum pattern that builds in speed and gets measured out by drum-machine handclaps. Meanwhile, snatches of “Five Star Restaurant, can I help you?,” “Hi, Mom, this is Jimbo,” and “How ya doin’, sexy?” keep floating by, sometimes accelerated Kanye West–style, sometimes slowed to a drawl. In less than two minutes, the drums hurtle to a climax and the song finishes with the loud voice of an irate dad: “Hello, son, what took you so long to call?”

Then there’s the orgasm. “Six” segues into “Seven” with some unaccredited ecstasy from Vanity, a snippet from the unreleased, heavily bootlegged Vanity 6 gem, “Vibrator.” Loading her body massager full of (ten!) fresh batteries, Vanity pleasures herself for nearly two minutes at the song’s close; Prince cuts and pastes some of her peaking at the end of 8’s “Four,” and as the transition from “Six” into “Seven.” (He used it again years later for the Come track, “Orgasm.”)

“Eight” begins with the repetitive, electronically altered voice of Prince saying what sounds like “hum” over soothing synthesizer atmospherics and flute from Eric Leeds. The title track builds for about eight minutes with saxophone and keyboard solos, until finally ending with two minutes of calm, Brian Eno–like ambient chords. Prince later lifted the closing emotional tones of “Eight” for the introduction to “U Got the Look” that December. Warner Bros. released Sign o’ the Times two months after 8, making the “U Got the Look” opening recognizable right away to ardent fans, another of his in-the-know nudge-winks.

• • •

“So 8 had been released; they had hired the band to tour,” says keyboardist Matt Fink, via his home in Minneapolis. “They had a keyboard player by the name of Billy Carruthers, a wildly talented jazz keyboardist. And maybe three weeks before the tour was supposed to launch, he made the decision—I don’t know why—to not be in the group. They were gonna cancel Madhouse being a warm-up act at that point. So I spoke to Eric and said, ‘Well, what do you guys think if I were to step in? Do you think that would work for you?’ ”

Madhouse’s 8 peaked on Billboard’s Black Albums Chart at number twenty-five, and the band—that is, the “band”—was slated to open for Prince on the Sign ’o’ the Times tour kicking off May 8 in Stockholm. Eric Leeds handled several magazine and radio interviews perpetrating the membership of Madhouse as some old acquaintances from Atlanta: pianist Austra Chanel, bass player Bill Lewis, and drummer John Lewis. But Prince charged Leeds with formulating a real Madhouse to support his European tour after 8 scored some commercial success. So the saxist put together Billy Carruthers, bassist Levi Seacer Jr., and drummer H. B. Bennett as the true Madhouse. Two weeks into rehearsals, half the band needed replacing.

“We formed a working Madhouse group of myself, Matt Fink, Levi Seacer, and Dale Alexander on drums, an old friend of Prince’s,” Leeds recalls. Minneapolis drummer Dale Alexander’s funkier beats proved a better fit for Madhouse than the jazzier approach of Bennett, a member of Leeds’s old Takin’ Names outfit from Pittsburgh.

“Madhouse was the opening act on the tour, and we also played several club dates in Europe,” Leeds says. “As we continued to work as a group that summer; we added new material to the book. ‘Sixteen’ was one of them, composed primarily by Prince and myself.” From early May to late June 1987, Madhouse typically opened the Sign o’ the Times tour with “Two,” Three,” and “Six,” and “Mutiny” by the Family. The quartet, shrouded in black hooded robes, occasionally added “One” to its brief set list, along with “Nine,” “Eleven,” and the manically energetic “Sixteen.”

“They used to get a volunteer female from the audience to walk onstage before the show and hold up the numbers to the songs, like in the rounds of a boxing match,” Matt Fink says. “She’d walk out in skimpy clothes—shorts, high heels, and a tight shirt—and cross the front of the stage, hold the number one, the number five. It was very cute.”

• • •

The 16 album took shape as Madhouse rolled through Paris, Milan, Berlin, and several other European cities. Prince chased his jazz jones jamming on the Charlie Parker chestnut “Now’s the Time” with Matt Fink, Eric Leeds, drummer Sheila E., and the rest of the Sign o’ the Times band regularly during the tour. That core quartet later made up the Madhouse band of 16, recorded in one week at Prince’s home studio and the newly opened Paisley Park Studios from July 30 to August 2. The thirty-seven-minute album hit stores three months later, on November 18.

Wearing a skintight yellow polka-dotted dress, ankle-length red gloves, and red high heels with a raspberry beret, 16 cover girl Maneca Lightner leaned against a Depression-era car gripping a Tommy gun. A bank features in the background. (Lightner robs a bank in the video for “Thirteen,” flanked by future NPG dancers, the Game Boyz.) The album 16 failed to chart in Billboard at all, but the music was just as quirky and distinctive as its predecessor.

To wit: Frank Zappa’s fictional vocalist Suzy Creamcheese, aka Pamela Zarubica, is sampled on the very first track, “Nine.” In-between jazz-funky snatches of “Chopsticks” and “The Sound of Music” is the voice of Creamcheese laughing out the word “bizarre,” from Zappa band the Mothers of Invention’s 1969 “Our Bizarre Relationship.” (Check for her on “Bob George” and “Lovesexy” too—bizarre, indeed.) Francis Ford Coppola’s The Godfather is another 16 staple. Lines from actors James Caan, Salvatore Corsitto, and Jack Woltz are sampled for “Thirteen,” “Eleven,” and “Sixteen,” respectively. More of an instrumental funk album than a jazz record, 16 included Sheila E. and bassist Levi Seacer Jr. (“Ten,” “Eleven,” and “Fifteen”) as well as Matt Fink (“Sixteen”), but Prince and Leeds dominated. “I thought Prince’s drumming on ‘Sixteen’ was among his best recorded drum work,” Leeds says.

• • •

“My personal opinion about Madhouse is, it’s truly a fusion of jazz, R&B, and funk instrumental influences,” Matt Fink concludes. “It doesn’t strike me as being the kind of fusion jazz that people like Chick Corea or Herbie Hancock did. It was kind of a new fusion. Eric brings in that real jazzy, almost beboppy horn stuff, and brought in the funk. They got innovative by using sampled sounds and things from specialized sound effects. But when you really listen to the music, it’s more of a funk-oriented thing to me, like funk jazz.

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GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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3. "Prince doing Mike hammer theme Music meets Kenny G is tired"
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Fri Mar-02-12 09:59 PM by mistermaxxx08

          

there were a couple of decent pieces here and there, but on a whole it was corny and not that memorable.

now if Prince had Eric Leeds and you bring in a Marcus Miller on Bass, bring a Lee Ritnor on Guitar, Joe Sample on Keys and the Tower of Power Brass Section or the Barry White Love unlimited Orchestra to play behind it then he might be on to something.

but Madhouse is only for Purple heads. its Stacy Kech Funk lite. Mike Hammer grooves.

this is the kind of thing that is Kenny G territory and Kenny G does it better. Prince sounded like a dude with alot of money trying to create some buzz and he didn't have the goods.

Prince is a Hybrid cat not a puriest and he hits a wall when he tries so hard at nailing one thing per se.IMo

Rick James could have made a Better attempt at a Jazz record Why you jiving easily than Prince and you can hear things with him and ROy Ayers and his Brass section which lend itself to that theory IMO.

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4. "RE: Prince doing Mike hammer theme Music meets Kenny G is tired"
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Fri Mar-02-12 10:23 PM by murph71

          

Tired Maxxx....

Just start off all your posts with: I Hate Prince...And Don't U Forget It!!!!...lol

Prince was a monster Maxx...Dude was playing jazz-funk licks on every instrument and killing the drums on that first Madhouse album...

I mean, he had some of the jazz heads like Miles and Herbie digging those Madhouse albums...Dude wasn't trying to re-invent the wheel...he was just having fun...

And the shit was cool...

But it was all part of that '80s GOAT puzzle....Prince was on his genius steez....

Leave Rick (RIP) out of it...Dude was battling his demons at that moment......No need to revisit that road...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn9vWlsmurU&feature=related

Peep the Midget's drumming^^^^^goes crazy at the 2:16 mark...

Know greatness....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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5. "you are just a tired Purple Kool Aid head who can't take no opinions"
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elsewhere and that is tired on your part Murph.

dude I bought Madhouse when it first came out and listen to it. you forget i use to ride and bump all things that came out of minneapolis back then.

i kid you not I use to listen to Madhouse and watch "Mike Hammer" every thursday night and eat pasta with it.

it was corny because Prince ain't no Jazz cat. it had some nice licks and grooves, however it sounded like re threads of other things he had been doing and he he didn't have the chops to run no full band sound. what I dug about Prince back then was the cold robotic funk and Groove he did with the synths, drum programming and the way he played his guitar and Bass in parts, however him and a full Brass section or that kind of sound felt out of place.


"Six" sounded like "A Love bizarre" without words and it was catchy but it wasn't no jazz.

Miles Davis at that time was liking any and everything. he dug and respected prince, however that wasn't one of Prince's best works.

it felt like some cat who was bored trying to show off something which felt awkward.

take my word on this I doubt seriously even amongest your fellow Purple Koolaid drinkers that you gonna get a 100 Prince fans die hard from back then to include any of the madhouse Projects especially that first one with his best of that decade.

it was a cult thing and it felt just like a Vanity project.


yeah I mentioned Rick James because he jammed with a fellow Jazz funkateer in ROy Ayers something that to me Prince missed out on when he was in prime and peak.

Madhouse was more like Outhouse. poor Murph can't handle another opinon especially from somebody else that was there and listen to those albums. Madhouse 16 was constipated and long and then that last one 24 was as exciting as getting a wisdom tooth pulled.


IMO the best stuff that Prince did during that time on the instrumental tip was

"Power fantastic"

the Original "Old friends for Sale"

"Alexa De Paris"

"Venus de milo"


but Prince ain't no Jazz Musician, however he can do riffs and runs at things, but he ain't no Jazz Player. sorry Charlie.

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6. "RE: you are just a tired Purple Kool Aid head who can't take no opinions"
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> elsewhere and that is tired on your part Murph.
>
>dude I bought Madhouse when it first came out and listen to
>it. you forget i use to ride and bump all things that came out
>of minneapolis back then.


Yeah, yeah...I know your script....I'm waiting for it...


>i kid you not I use to listen to Madhouse and watch "Mike
>Hammer" every thursday night and eat pasta with it.
>
>it was corny because Prince ain't no Jazz cat. it had some
>nice licks and grooves, however it sounded like re threads of
>other things he had been doing and he he didn't have the chops
>to run no full band sound. what I dug about Prince back then
>was the cold robotic funk and Groove he did with the synths,
>drum programming and the way he played his guitar and Bass in
>parts, however him and a full Brass section or that kind of
>sound felt out of place.


I'm still waiting for it....

>
>"Six" sounded like "A Love bizarre" without words and it was
>catchy but it wasn't no jazz.

Still waiting for it....


>Miles Davis at that time was liking any and everything. he dug
>and respected prince, however that wasn't one of Prince's best
>works.
>
>it felt like some cat who was bored trying to show off
>something which felt awkward.
>
>take my word on this I doubt seriously even amongest your
>fellow Purple Koolaid drinkers that you gonna get a 100 Prince
>fans die hard from back then to include any of the madhouse
>Projects especially that first one with his best of that
>decade.
>
>it was a cult thing and it felt just like a Vanity project.
>
>
>yeah I mentioned Rick James because he jammed with a fellow
>Jazz funkateer in ROy Ayers something that to me Prince missed
>out on when he was in prime and peak.
>
>Madhouse was more like Outhouse. poor Murph can't handle
>another opinon especially from somebody else that was there
>and listen to those albums. Madhouse 16 was constipated and
>long and then that last one 24 was as exciting as getting a
>wisdom tooth pulled.



Not there yet....


>
>IMO the best stuff that Prince did during that time on the
>instrumental tip was
>
>"Power fantastic"

>
>the Original "Old friends for Sale"
>
>"Alexa De Paris"
>
>"Venus de milo"


Nah...not there yet...


>but Prince ain't no Jazz Musician, however he can do riffs and
>runs at things, but he ain't no Jazz Player. sorry Charlie.


Bingo^^^^^


There's the Prince put down I was waiting for...

Bravo, homie...U follow that script pretty well...

Yep...Prince was a bum...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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8. "i don't hardly Hate Prince, i told you back in the day he was cool"
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and his Greatness was his Hybrid ability and creativity at pulling that off.

problem is Madhouse just ain't that important to his legacy. Prince is a formula creature of habbit.

he tired to re-create that same oh is it him myth through Madhouse like what worked for the time. difference was the time stuff was happening and also it worked.

Madhouse was just nice sitting on the couch fluff and it didn't fool anybody.

good runs and jams and parts are cute and nice,however they don't make a song.

however I guess Madhouse "8" sounds like incredible compared to that Exlax Mess known as "News" which was bad news to the Ears.

Prince and his instrumental projects are slightly below average on a whole.IMO.

he is good at parts. like how he had that Guitar run which was played by Levi Seacer Jr on "she Spoke to Me".

parts that go there and build are where Prince is strongest at the hybrid, however playing straight ahead it loses its steam after a while.

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9. "RE: i don't hardly Hate Prince, i told you back in the day he was cool"
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U hate him Maxx...It's clear by now...You can sugarcoat it all you want...But we all see it..

You even make posts about dude when he has nothing to do with said theme (that D'Angelo thread)...

What began as fun trolling because of the love the Midget got on this board for years and years has now evolved into a parody...

It's a lay up drill for u now...

That's why it will be interesting to see what u will say when the Midget leaves this earth...I mean, if you are a true music fan Prince represents one of the last of a dying breed...He's the type of cat that can only be created in some lab...Did it all, from the triumphs to the stumbles...

U would think Prince has banked enough good will to get a pass from even his staunchest critics (u)...Dude is in his 50's now...

And yet you still go at him like it's 1988...It's either MJ...it's either Lionel...It's either Rick...It's Kellz...Hell, now it's even Freddie Jackson...

Like I said, when he's gone u will understand, homie...

It's not even trolling anymore...

Now it's a parody....

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23. "Rick James doing jazz would not have worked. "
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Rick had range, but he did not have Prince's range or technical proficiency. I love Rick but that's just being realistic.

  

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7. "I've Always Wished That Miles Davis Did The Debut Madhouse Album,,,"
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Don't dispose of Eric Leeds and Atlanta Bliss, just keep their inputs into a minimum while showcasing Miles' horn.

I've also wondered what "Power Fantastic" would've sounded like if Miles walked in on the room, blow his piece and walked out. He would've fit that session like a velvet dress on a shapely broad.

  

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16. "the first time i heard "powerful fantastic," i wondered if it was miles ..."
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and when i found out that miles davis tried to work
on a few things w/ prince (and even appeared in concert with him)
i STILL wondered if miles played on the session as an
uncredited musician.

i still am not 100 percent convinced
that it's not him...
even though everything i read
indicates that it is abosultely not miles davis
playing trumpet on "power fantastic."



  

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19. "Its Not Him,,,"
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Miles Davis is like Billie Holiday, he doesn't play "straight" notes, and during the 80s, his approach in playing became more understated. He would've stood out like a sore thump if he did.

  

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27. "you're right."
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it just reminds me of a song like "blue in green."




>Miles Davis is like Billie Holiday, he doesn't play
>"straight" notes, and during the 80s, his approach in playing
>became more understated. He would've stood out like a sore
>thump if he did.

  

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10. "RE: Prince and madhouse........"
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"16" was my favorite album growing up (thank you mom). I didn't grasp "8" but "16" holds more of a constant groove & memories for me. Very nice to read on how everything came to fruition. Glad Prince & Miles didn't work more, don't think it would've been a good pairing.

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11. "ha! thankfully all the ugliness got wiped out of this thread."
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now, let's get back to appreciating Madhouse.

fuck you.

  

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12. "i still can't get over how "dense" all this stuff is."
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there are grooves inside of grooves.
it sounds like all of the instrumentals from the "sign of the times" movie.

or... like the part when prince would yell out "CONFUSION!"
and then the band just goes into organized chaos.

  

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13. "i listened over the weekend and preferred the 1st album over the 2nd."
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though i like '10' and '13' more than '6'.

i think the 1st album was less chaotic and dense.

fuck you.

  

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14. "The Track "8" Is The Prelude To "U Got The Look""
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Didn't know that until I read the piece.

I love that Prince incorperated some of the music from Madhouse into his Jay Leno's performance of "The Ballad of Dorothy Parker" from 2001.

  

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15. "i read that and disagreed after i listened."
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fuck you.

  

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18. "I Haven't Listened To It Yet,,,,"
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But wouldn't be surprised if some of the stuff on "Madhouse" served as preludes to SOTT, given that both projects were recorded within the same time frame.

  

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21. "there are sonic similarities, but '8'"
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doesn't work as a prelude to 'UGTL'.

anyway, yeah, there are several moments on both albums that remind me of Parade, SOTT & Lovesexy.

fuck you.

  

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22. "nothing to disagree with tho - it is. Same chords, preset, everything"
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and when you see the clips of the show - it became a huge framework of the Madhouse show.

  

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26. "see #21"
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fuck you.

  

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17. "No it didn't, Maxx's post are still here."
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>now, let's get back to appreciating Madhouse.

  

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20. "it got much worse than this."
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those posts _are_ gone.

fuck you.

  

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25. "Yep, but don't bet against his manic desire to be a bellend."
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What the blood claaat ???

  

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24. "RE: ha! thankfully all the ugliness got wiped out of this thread."
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>now, let's get back to appreciating Madhouse.


This^^^^^

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28. "RE: Prince and madhouse........"
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I was at moods music looking for the new issue and they were sold out of it. does anyone know if this was the main article for this Prince issue? because if it was....I really didnt miss anything.

  

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