I'm not even a Musiq 'guy' like THAT. However, objectively pondering this topic shows there isn't really another male in R&B with his consistency and quality. He's easily been the most consistent by miles over this six album stretch.

Unlike a certain Robert Kelly, who is generally viewed as the best modern R&B has to offer, MS hasn't relied heavily on sexually aggressive, cheeseball songs without even a hint of subtly ( I like The Crotch On You? Feelin On Your Booty? Are you kidding me here?). The Neo Soul of his early years easily trumps the spanish guitar garbage of Kell's output at that time. MS also hasn't scrapped the lowest common denominator barrel like Kels has.

Unlike JT or Usher, he hasn't had to be propped up with the spotlight hogging super-duper-producers of the moment like Tim, Tunes, Lil John, etc.

Also unlike Usher, he hasn't had to leech whatever "hot" trend

Unlike T-Pain, he hasn't had to go the Seth Mcfarlain "let me just milk the living shit out of this gimmick" route with the autotune bullshit.

He hasn't overplayed the aria hand that virtually every last urban singer has used as a crutch. You know, the endless stream of "Aye!" and "Oh-Oh-Oh!" strings that permeate every song out beacause nobody knows how to write lyrics anymore.

He also hasn't had to jump on the hip-pop-house bandwagon to remain relevant.

Don't run up with your wack ass Tre Songs nonsense. Don't bring Ne-Yo into this discussion, because he doesn't have a single album that can stand with any of MS's albums from end to end.... let alone a catalog of solo albums that matches MS's SIX in the last decade.

Don't get me wrong- MS has recycled afew cadences. He's suffered from a certain 'sameyness' at times. His sound hasn't deviated too far from his debut sound. He does, however, got the love song down pat. His songs aren't even "bigger" than the guys I've named.

What I'm saying is, pound for pound, he's delivered by far the most consistent stretch of quality albums of any male R&B artist over the same time period. Hearing synths on an MS song is actually a treat, because they aren't being used in the same vanilla paint by numbers way that everyone else uses them. Musiqinthemagiq is a fine example of that.

Oh, I know. Ne-Yo writes and produces for others. The Dream runs the writing/production scene. Tre Songs CHARTS, YO!!! Usher Makes Love Up In The Club! JT had arguably two of the very best albums in the genre. Kells is Billboard juggernaught. Whatever.

None of those dudes has a six album stretch like Musiq.

iono if you consider him R&B but all of the stuff you've mentioned about Musiq, of whom I have his whole discography, applies to A.H.

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I'd put Hamilton up against Musiq Soulchild anyday, however, these two have failed to bring us a towering song that they can on paper, and I keep waiting for them to.

Also, Raphael Saadiq perhaps could enter the conversation.

Shit, that Musiq is a sane, reasonable choice for male singer of the past decade is a sad comentary on R&b tho.

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all (obvious) jokes aside,
musiq is the man, and he's done his thing for however many albums now.

i have liked or loved all of them,
and he's exceptionally consistant.


"jusslissen" is a personal favorite of mine,
and i'm actually this close to calling it a modern classic...
although i don't know if i could REALLY make an agrugment
that strongly, though.


either way, he's dope.

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Despite the similarities in their vocal tone and a somewhat similar style of music, the fact that D hasn't had an album since Musiq released his first- and the fact that Musiq has released FIVE albums since then, well.... There's really no reason to even mention D.

If a major point of my argument is that Musiq is the most consistent male R&B artist since his debut why would I bring up someone who hasn't released a single album since said debut? The only time a comparison could realistically be drawn was in 2000, when M dropped.

To a large degree, Musiq owes his career to D'Angelo not releasing any records for a decade, so if you're comparing Musiq favorably to other R&B cats and saying "Unlike ______, Musiq did ____" I would definitely say "Unlike D'Angelo, Musiq ACTUALLY PUT OUT MUSIC"

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the two are similar in a very loose sense, but they are different enough that they realistically wouldn't have stepped on each others toes. Just from a tempo perspective, they release different music. In the end they have similar voices but M really had a different take on the neo soul vibe from jump. The only valid argument here is having a similar vocal tone and more or less appealing to a similar audience, but M has a greater mass appeal- he can actually put asses on a dance floor with regularity.

was to distance himself from the neo-soul scene for when D'angelo returned and crush the buildings...which he never did.

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'Similar' is saying they live in the same neighborhood, not saying the live in the same house.They don't have the same voice, they have a similar tone. Even when they do the screaming/waling, it's in the same neck of the woods. I'm not getting how you or anyone else wouldn't hear similarities in their vocal tone.

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figuring this thing out, and may end up having a solid career was that Two Dollar bill show he had (think those were back on mtv2) anyways... One of the things that I saw from that performance was that it was a lot like D'Angelo's live sets as far as the funkiness....the vocals and such..... You really saw a lot of D'Angelo influence on Musiq at that point..it was a good look for him and really showed he was on the right path..

his albums have been cool..usually guaranteed to have a few catchy jams...

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What was his last real hit? B.U.D.D.Y.?

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and after that, he still released good/ great albums.

Doesn't he have to, at least, have something that has been on the public's radar?

Neither of his last two albums went gold and I don't recall much noise.

This isn't a slight, I'm sure they're perfectly fine albums, but hits matter (to me at least).

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i (typically) hate modern r&b.
i like musiq b/c he doesn't sound like that.

if he was writing hits to compete w/ chris brown and rhinana,
i'd probably actively dislike him.


when he said "best r&b artist of this decade,"
i was assuming he meant r&b music that my jaded ass would actually
want to listen to lol.



so by that (admiteddly limited) standard,
musiq qualifies.



i honestly can't remember the last time i even liked
a song that was an r&b hit.
the last smash r&b album that i loved was usher's "confessions."

and that was in 2004. which was way closer to a decade ago
than i'd like to admit.


so take my opinion for what it's worth.




EDIT: i take that back. i do remember the last time i loved
a mainstream r&b song.

it was "fuck you," by cee-lo.



and "confessions" wasn't the last r&b album i loved.
it was amy winehouse's "back to black." which may or may not
count as mainstream.

but the point stands... i'm jaded.


>Doesn't he have to, at least, have something that has been on
>the public's radar?
>
>Neither of his last two albums went gold and I don't recall
>much noise.
>
>This isn't a slight, I'm sure they're perfectly fine albums,
>but hits matter (to me at least).

>Doesn't he have to, at least, have something that has been >the public's radar?

The public's radar is a paper towel tube. It's Black singers set to house music or 808 patterns with 3 note synth melodies. You're looking at the BET/MTV youth focu and applying that as 'the public'. Most grown folks I know like Musiq. Most 25-and-under like LMFAO. Guess which crowd is catered to more?

>Neither of his last two albums went gold and I don't recall
>much noise.

And? They're quality albums. Decrying the lack of a gold record in this climate is a little odd, no? That's no longer surprising. But again, you're equating sales with quality. They're both good albums, and 'Yes' gets plenty of spins on both XM and local radio.

>This isn't a slight, I'm sure they're perfectly fine albums,
>but hits matter (to me at least).

Have you even listened to these albums? You're looking at hits not only as a measure of quality, but the quality measure of the whole of an artist's output. You can have hits, but what else? What do you got outside of the catchy ringtones that the MTV Spring Break crowd dry humps to? That same fickle crowd could care less about anything BUT those hits. T-Pain isn't crafting quality albums end to end. You place far too much stock in hits in an era where a hit is increasingly cheapened in quality.

So Beautiful and Yes off the last two albums respectively have LIVED on the airwaves.

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Personally, a "hit" is grossly overvalued nowadays in terms of quality, and it has been for some time. A song being a "hit" really doesn't mean it's any good. Songs aren't even hits because they resonate with people anymore. Of course, this is a whole discussion all it's own. Lean Like A Cholo was a "hit". Laffy Taffy was a "hit". Flo Rida and T Pain have plenty of "hits".

The quality of the music though? Yikes. What a shockingly low standard for "hits". This post wasn't about who had more hits, #1 singles, or whatever. It was about the fact that I can't name another male R&B artist with 6 albums since 2000 that are collectively as solid as Musiqs 6.

How much do you value an artist who can consistently create cookie cutter paint by numbers that excel in a very watered down, narrowly casted market? Do you really, truly, honestly believe that a "hit" in itself is a good indicator of quality? There's a marked difference between "easy to digest for the masses who just want some simple shit to grind to at the club" and quality music.

Even if we agree to disagree on how much we shold weight "hits", can you really tell me that Tre Songs, album cuts and all, has a resume that measures up to Musiqs?

I think all of his album are bland as hell, I couldn't listen to one of them all the way through again even if my life depended on it. But, I see what you meant, he kind of stayed loyal to his style and still managed to have some success !

Not everything appeals to everyone, obviously. Some people loved 'snap' music. That shit wasn't even music to me, it was garbage. It is what it is.

been most consistent and has more songs that GO. I only knock him that he hasn't really improved and I still feel his debut is the best album by FAR.

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>been most consistent and has more songs that GO.
^^^^^ he's got a surprising number of excellent dance songs.


I only knock
>him that he hasn't really improved and I still feel his debut
>is the best album by FAR.

Yeah, he hasn't exactly deviated too far from his debut. We've seen a few different looks. He's just.... reliable.

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>him that he hasn't really improved and I still feel his debut
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Of course compared to some of his pairs from the neo soul era he had a lot of mainstream success but best male R&B artist of the last decade ?

A bunch of autotune gimmick artists? R Kelly? Usher and his one good album since 2000?

Only argument I can see is JT because he had two STELLAR albums. Thing is, he was heavily propped up by the hot super producers of the moment with each one. As was Usher with his one. T-Pain has been propped up by a gimmick. Both of these guys are guilty of blatant pandering first and foremost. Nobody appeals to the lowest common denominator like Kells.

Kellz one good album since 2000? A lot of ppl would disagree. TP2, Chocolate Factory, Love Letter, and many like Double Up tho it wasn't classic Kellz it was above average hip-hop based R&B . Musiq may be the most consistent I can't argue that , but anything else such as best, most important or anything else shouldn't be used in relation to him as long due to the existence of R Kelly be forreal

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I won't compare him to others...but I must say that when he drops a new LP I know i'm buying it before I hear a note of it and never have been disappointed in doing so. Not many acts I can say that for.

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he's bad enough in the studio. i heard him live and the shit was painful. i almost left but he was opening for someone i wanted to see. this was back around the time of his 1st or 2nd album.

fuck you.

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Dylan and Tom Waits have made a whole career out of it.

Musiq has gotten in where he fit in. good for him.

he can't sing and i can't stand the sound of his voice whether it's recorded in the studio or live from stage. i'm almost completely turned off from his stuff, altogether.

but good for y'all who enjoy it. he's making money and y'all are entertained. awesome sauce.

fuck you.

I didn't just imagine that.


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Dude sounds great on his records. I've heard him live and he was great there too.
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I like the way he tunes himself, I'm never going to see him live (does he even tour?) so I don't care if he can actually sing. His voice works for me (I don't get the Drake hate either, but I have pretty low standards having come up on Pavement and Radiohead) and his songs are on a whole other level even if the subject matter is...silly. I don't mind silly, being 'mature' or 'socially conscious' or however you want to describe it isn't a bonus point for me, if someone is better at being silly than you are at being smart I'll take the silliness.


And as far as consistently having at least half an album I really just totally LOVE, I'm probably putting R. Kelly ahead of Musiq too.


But as far as albums, Anthony Hamilton probably takes that #2 spot. And it's real close between him and The-Dream, I just gravitate more towards Dream's sound at this point in my life.


But Musiq was one of my first artists I really liked that did R&B, before him and Alicia Keys came out I really wasn't aware of people that made music like that other than Usher, "Kissed by a Rose", Boyz II Men and K-Ci & Jojo. I had my mom's Stevie Wonder albums but otherwise it was all alternative rock, Top 40 and dabbling in the indie scene. I owe a lot to Musiq for getting me into artists like D'Angelo, Badu, Jill Scott, so on. His first two albums have some of my most nostalgic stuff on there outside of Usher but...I got to admit he hasn't compelled me to keep in touch over the years and his last album, MusiqintheMagiq, was a pretty big disappointment after ignoring him for a while.

I wrote more on that here: http://www.popmatters.com/pm/review/141574-musiq-soulchild-musiqinthemagiq/


Really like the guy though. I wish we hadn't drifted apart.


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he sounded great. just like on record, maybe even a little better because he wasn't putting any constraints on his singing to fit the recorded version of the song.

Dude was/is the corniest r&b artist of the decade. I agree with whoever said the Dream tho, he ruled the latter part of the decade and paved the way for the weeknd and that sound

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Unless you were getting okayplayery and calling me out my name or whatever, why not simply speak your peace?

that turkey Prozac had that broke cut back in 03 which was ripping off Kellz "Step in the Name of Love".

that backwards corny turkey Musiq is at best a 3rd or 4tier Act and you hyping that turkey up?

that turkey can't even hold a microphone and he sounds like one of those cats who might sing on a 2 in the morning John Witherspoon telethon or something.

you is on that Double crack for this One.

Musiq is corny and generic it ain't even funny.

he couldn't carry R.kelly's Black Mask.

he couldn't carry maxwell's old Afro Pic.


He couldn't carry D'angelo's Bandana.

Be couldn't carry Eric benet's Black Book.

He can't carry Usher's U chain.



Turkey please thanks for making me laugh and now back to eating my popcorn.

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>that turkey Prozac had that broke cut back in 03 which was
>ripping off Kellz "Step in the Name of Love".
>
>that backwards corny turkey Musiq is at best a 3rd or 4tier
>Act and you hyping that turkey up?
>
>that turkey can't even hold a microphone and he sounds like
>one of those cats who might sing on a 2 in the morning John
>Witherspoon telethon or something.
>
>you is on that Double crack for this One.
>
>Musiq is corny and generic it ain't even funny.
>
>he couldn't carry R.kelly's Black Mask.
>
>he couldn't carry maxwell's old Afro Pic.
>
>
>He couldn't carry D'angelo's Bandana.
>
>Be couldn't carry Eric benet's Black Book.
>
>He can't carry Usher's U chain.
>
>
>
>Turkey please thanks for making me laugh and now back to
>eating my popcorn.

i was scrolling until i saw maxxx and now i can dip on out

boxy brown!

>>that turkey Prozac had that broke cut back in 03 which was
>>ripping off Kellz "Step in the Name of Love".
>>
>>that backwards corny turkey Musiq is at best a 3rd or 4tier
>>Act and you hyping that turkey up?
>>
>>that turkey can't even hold a microphone and he sounds like
>>one of those cats who might sing on a 2 in the morning
>John
>>Witherspoon telethon or something.
>>
>>you is on that Double crack for this One.
>>
>>Musiq is corny and generic it ain't even funny.
>>
>>he couldn't carry R.kelly's Black Mask.
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>>he couldn't carry maxwell's old Afro Pic.
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>>He couldn't carry D'angelo's Bandana.
>>
>>Be couldn't carry Eric benet's Black Book.
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>>He can't carry Usher's U chain.
>>
>>
>>
>>Turkey please thanks for making me laugh and now back to
>>eating my popcorn.
>
i'm guessing half of everyone in these posts come SOLELY for this reason ROFL

u went too far w/ that 1 maxxx


do or die

the chain would in trouble for a homicide.

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Ursher: YEAH!

Prosecutor: Can you point out the party responsible for choking out Musiq?

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Judge: *bangs gavel*
i think we've heard enough




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And I agree with whoever said he's not a great singer. I've never been able to really get into him, aside from a couple of songs.

OP is either a troll or hella brand new.

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and if we're counting 'neo-soul' niggas
bilal shits all over musiq (and ginuwine for that matter)
that's my nigga right there.

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dude is not in the conversation

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guaranteed at least 2 real dope songs per album...

An excellent songwriter, including Previouscats for Musiq

Consistently top drawer albums

Incredible live performer

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Musiq is ok...not great, not bad, just ok.

There's something missing from his music that I can't quite put my finger on but he never makes a record that blows you away.

and

his voice has been described as being more suited for a backup singer than a lead vocalist

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Jordan!

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...or even a conversation, what does that say about the climate of r&b?

he's serviceable, like elevator music. saw him once after his slew of albums, and i remembered how corny the songs were then, and how cornier they are now.

his discography has been underatedly solid.

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Even though Musiq's current single "Yes" stays on repeat, I much prefer Dwele. I don't own a Musiq cd, but I'm still listening to my Dwele cd from years ago. Maxwell, Bilal, & Raheem outshine Musiq as well, from just plain vocal skills - falsetto to songwriting. To be honest, they got a little more swag than him too. I was never feeling Musiq's image.

>Even though Musiq's current single "Yes" stays on repeat, I
>much prefer Dwele. I don't own a Musiq cd, but I'm still
>listening to my Dwele cd from years ago. Maxwell, Bilal, &
>Raheem outshine Musiq as well, from just plain vocal skills -
>falsetto to songwriting. To be honest, they got a little more
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I agree. I'm a big fan of Musiq. And he doesn't have to dance moves like those other r&b guys. lol.

He has a few cuts that I would go to bat for, but for whatever reason I've never felt the need to listen to one of his albums.

I'm just curious, how old are you? Because the only cats I know that cut for Musiq would be in their late 20's - early 30's.

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He's just completely savvy & creative with what he does on stage & in the studio. He's an ace.

Not to mention he does the best vocal arrangement today & has a crazy cult following lls.