For me the main thing is for black people to put down the religion and politics.

There are a couple of others that I could mention, but in the aforementioned comment, I believe that this is the #1 thing to help push black people in that direction.

There’s always someone coming with a ‘if Black folks would just xyz’ solution.

Honestly there are plenty of things that we do in unity regardless of personal politics/religion/social class etc. I would even go so far to say that despite all the shit our ancestors went through, we are more unified than most other groups.

There’s always someone coming with a ‘if Black folks would just xyz’ solution.

Honestly there are plenty of things that we do in unity regardless of personal politics/religion/social class etc. I would even go so far to say that despite all the shit our ancestors went through, we are more unified than most other groups.

This sounds like total horseshit!

What “groups” are blacks more unified than?

What’s the plenty of things that blacks do to show unity?

you already know, any discussion attempted at analyzing OUR behavior brings out the excuses, the false equivalencies of what other cultures do in comparison to ours, and dont forget the “bLaCk pEoPLe aRe nOt a mOnOLiTh” crowd

>you already know, any discussion attempted at analyzing OUR
>behavior brings out the excuses, the false equivalencies of
>what other cultures do in comparison to ours, and dont forget
>the “bLaCk pEoPLe aRe nOt a mOnOLiTh” crowd


I’m just sick of the excuses that we continue to come up with when dealing with this subject matter. Too much deflection with no real thought or solutions.

it damn sure wont be research and lofty ideas

>it damn sure wont be research and lofty ideas

C’mon man we all can’t be that shallow.

We continue to grow our neighborhoods, communities. We continue to patronize Black businesses, arts, banks, schools etc. We continue to want better for us.

Despite our differences of philosophies/religions etc we have never had a religious war.
Despite the roughest of our communities, we’ve never had a school shooting.
Overall we tend to work together for common good.
We have a ball together.

>We continue to grow our neighborhoods, communities. We
>continue to patronize Black businesses, arts, banks, schools
>etc. We continue to want better for us.
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>Despite our differences of philosophies/religions etc we have
>never had a religious war.
>Despite the roughest of our communities, we’ve never had a
>school shooting.
>Overall we tend to work together for common good.
>We have a ball together.
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So next!

You haven’t been everywhere, but there has been school shootings in a public inner city schools. Schools have been put on lockdown for weapons in inner city schools.

One of the biggest arguments are over politics and religion. If you hold a different position on religion in particular, it’s always a war. Since we can’t ever come together because religion will be a major obstacle. Over 70% of Black adults are in Christianity in America. That alone will stand in the way of blacks ever unifying.

You are trying to brag over no school shootings, but we’re shooting each other dead in the streets. Make that make sense to all of us!

Given that there is no such thing as perfect unity in ANY group, what exactly are you looking for?

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>Given that there is no such thing as perfect unity in ANY
>group, what exactly are you looking for?

So if blacks are so unified, then why is it a recurring topic on what needs to happen.

I am looking for us to be able to come together despite certain beliefs, but that will never happen in the black community. So it’s probably best to put that to the side in order to be able to come together.

I can’t think of another group of people who practice various religions that do come together like Black folks.
From Christians, to Hebrew Israelites, to Muslims, to 5%, Nation of Earths & Gods, Ife, Rastafarian, atheist, agnostic, etc etc, we all still coming to the family reunion and probably breaking bread this Thursday regardless if the personal name for the holiday.

Those usually questioning usually arent doing any actual work for the change they wish to see cause they dont really want change, just feeling some way about themselves, deflecting and complaining.

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"You probably wouldn't worry about what people think of you if you could know how seldom they do!" - Olin Miller

>I can’t think of another group of people who practice
>various religions that do come together like Black folks.
>From Christians, to Hebrew Israelites, to Muslims, to 5%,
>Nation of Earths & Gods, Ife, Rastafarian, atheist, agnostic,
>etc etc, we all still coming to the family reunion and
>probably breaking bread this Thursday regardless if the
>personal name for the holiday.
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>Those usually questioning usually arent doing any actual work
>for the change they wish to see cause they dont really want
>change, just feeling some way about themselves, deflecting and
>complaining.


The period during the 60’s would prove this statement as incorrect.

...behind. Community building just isn't for everyone. If we gonna put in work to build ourselves up, then there is no time for dealing with sellouts, criminals, opportunists, scammers, toxic folks, etc.

Gotta shake them rats off our necks and leave the baggage behind.

We can't unify and build ourselves up while actively supporting people in our own house that are holding us back and tearing us down.

you can’t save everyone

Harriet had to shoot a few people

Some want to stay with Massa

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>Harriet had to shoot a few people
>
>Some want to stay with Massa


Because there will always be some of us that love whitey!

What are you looking for? The meaning to life?

What else do you think people who have build up do? They pass it on.

An acquaintance was ranting similar and I asked ‘who do you know personally like that?’ She couldn’t say cause that’s not the company she keeps.

So how do you weed out something you dont actually deal with? Do you go looking in other’s homes and telling them what they should do OR do you take a good look of those that make up your community and build on?

how many years have we been trying to get everyone together under one goal? eventually a different solution needs to be considered and tried, in this case, a hybrid solution

i have a plan that instead of relying on everyone to pivot to what we want them to do, it uses a subset within our existing culture thats already together and already doing what we need them to do

we can use that group as fuel to fund whatever movement we want to employ. this eliminates the asking of our oppressors for help. it also eliminates asking for donations

>how many years have we been trying to get everyone together
>under one goal? eventually a different solution needs to be
>considered and tried, in this case, a hybrid solution
>
>i have a plan that instead of relying on everyone to pivot to
>what we want them to do, it uses a subset within our existing
>culture thats already together and already doing what we need
>them to do
>
>we can use that group as fuel to fund whatever movement we
>want to employ. this eliminates the asking of our oppressors
>for help. it also eliminates asking for donations


What percentage of the black population could we roll with to achieve this goal?

its a very VERY small percentage, but its overshadowed by what they bring to the table

serious question...unified for....? once i know what you're asking specifically, i can add my thoughts.

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"i do more for both our communities than you'll ever know." - Heinz
"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly

we know it exists, we know we would immediately get the attention of those who need to recognize, and it could quickly yield concrete results. as always, getting ppl on the same accord is the challenge... but at least ppl have been making attempts with the boycott attempts etc.

>serious question...unified for....? once i know what you're
>asking specifically, i can add my thoughts.
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>"i do more for both our communities than you'll ever know." -
>Heinz
>"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of
>people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing
>at how stupid you are." - bshelly

Also the reason in which this needs to happen.

If not, then say so to have a proper dialogue.

>Also the reason in which this needs to happen.
>
>If not, then say so to have a proper dialogue.

I ask for clarification on what YOU are proposing, you refuse to provide it, then say that I'm the one who doesn't want dialogue.

Either answer the question or don't. I really don't care either way.

d

"i do more for both our communities than you'll ever know." - Heinz
"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly

Once again you live in the US I presume, so you should know through history the reasoning and importance.

I gave a launchpad on what we need to breakaway from. I asked from other what they think, in which you have no thoughts.

So why are you answering a question with a question to begin with???

Seems like you have nothing to add, so continue not to care either way.

>Also the reason in which this needs to happen.
>
>If not, then say so to have a proper dialogue.

I ask for clarification on what YOU are proposing, you refuse to provide it, then say that I'm the one who doesn't want dialogue.

Either answer the question or don't. I really don't care either way.

d

"i do more for both our communities than you'll ever know." - Heinz
"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly

They knit picking to make a sweater at this point.
Obtuse af.

who you want to unify?

huh?

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

>who you want to unify?
>
>huh?

they weren't answering. they were asking for clarity in order to provide a better response. that's how dialog works.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

we'll have pockets of people working towards similar goals, but I don't believe it'll happen on the scale that some want.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

They go IN on each other in ways that we don't see all the time.

same with YT people. I mean, they're loosely unified on racism and otherisms, but they also go in on each other.

too many humans to get going in the same direction.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

>They go IN on each other in ways that we don't see all the
>time.


White folk and Asian people obviously wouldn’t even come close the having the same premise for unifying.

Neither were enslaved for centuries in America. Then have to fight for basic human rights after slavery ended (allegedly).

.... and the Carribean.

They need to unify first.

We're already unifying over here despite attempts by underminers to stop it.

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

"root for everybody black haters say that's crazy, wow..."

Besides.. THEY are the first ones to let us AND you know that they aint black american when they get a win on a big stage.

>.... and the Carribean.
>
>They need to unify first.
>
>We're already unifying over here despite attempts by
>underminers to stop it.

More than blacks in the US. I would say that it would be equally important for all of the countries (islands) involved.

I don’t believe that we are even close to doing that here in the US.

State your evidence as to why you think that we are in the unifying process in the US.

and clear out the Ruckus.

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When you say "unified", to what end do you want this unification to work? Meaning, do you mean unified in building a separate nation? Unified in fighting for reparations? Unified in fighting white supremacy?
This question is important because it may take different efforts/events for unifcation to manifest for different ends. If you're truly serious about creating unification, I suggest making a very specific list of ends you want to achieve. Determing the purpose of the unification is going to determine what it looks like and how it's achieved.

Also, it's ironic to say black people should drop politics to become unified, as racial unification is a political action itself.

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Ya whole shit is skewed nigga!

just that i should already know smh

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"i do more for both our communities than you'll ever know." - Heinz
"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly

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>just that i should already know smh
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>d
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>"i do more for both our communities than you'll ever know." -
>Heinz
>"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of
>people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing
>at how stupid you are." - bshelly

It was vague with no substance.

At least he had bullet points to speak on… you didn’t!

...as well as larger communities (areas), and even towns and cities. Places where Black people can thrive, with resources (money), low crime and feelings of pride and ownership. Places where Black people can build power and at least have a part of the system working for us, rather than against us. Middle-class neighborhoods, not unobtainable wealthy enclaves.

Would also like to see Black economic development, especially regarding businesses. Places where Black people can work that also work for us.

I'd focus on starting from those two points.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=gHx3DolVC5I

https://youtube.com/watch?v=GiZdwMtt9vM

https://youtu.be/cqaFnPbZGHA

In various cities throughout the US.

>When you say "unified", to what end do you want this
>unification to work? Meaning, do you mean unified in building
>a separate nation? Unified in fighting for reparations?
>Unified in fighting white supremacy?
>This question is important because it may take different
>efforts/events for unifcation to manifest for different ends.
>If you're truly serious about creating unification, I suggest
>making a very specific list of ends you want to achieve.
>Determing the purpose of the unification is going to determine
>what it looks like and how it's achieved.
>
>Also, it's ironic to say black people should drop politics to
>become unified, as racial unification is a political action
>itself.
>
>
>

Building a separate nation would be the best thing you mentioned.

Fighting for reparations doesn’t continue to make sense, seeing as that America had a black face in the Oval Office for 8 years and did nothing about it.

We will always be fighting white supremacy, even if we built a separate nation we would still have that same fight.

No dropping politics is not a political action as I see it. For me it would be not being involved in a process that has never had black people in mind.

Also it would be easier to state your points without reframing things as a question back to me. What you laid out should’ve been bullet points to speak from. At least you gave me a launching pad… unlike others that chose to do that.

>Building a separate nation would be the best thing you
>mentioned.


Ok, so we first have to determine what that takes. What infastructure will be needed, what currency we'll use, what the laws will be, where will this exist, etc. If we get black people, right now, to agree to this, do you know 10 black people who would be good leaders of this nation? So I'd say it begins there. If you want buy-in, you need a vision to buy in to.


>Fighting for reparations doesn’t continue to make sense,
>seeing as that America had a black face in the Oval Office for
>8 years and did nothing about it.


That's a bad way to look at that, imo. Obama was chosen by the system itself. That wasn't even a "black" face in all honesty. That was a biracial face whose black side didn't even come from the American Slavery lineage. He gave zero fucks about us in all honestly. So judging what black people can accomplish according to Obama isn't sensible. I do understand tho, if you say the system wouldn't allow a self-respecting negro like say a Huey Newton to reach that position anyway.


>We will always be fighting white supremacy, even if we built a
>separate nation we would still have that same fight.


Agreed. The problem is many black people don't even think we're fighting it now.


>No dropping politics is not a political action as I see it.
>For me it would be not being involved in a process that has
>never had black people in mind.


Sounds like you mean American politics, because above you mentioned building a nation. That's even more political than unifying black people.


>Also it would be easier to state your points without reframing
>things as a question back to me. What you laid out
>should’ve been bullet points to speak from. At least you
>gave me a launching pad… unlike others that chose to do
>that.


As I stated, I didn't know how to respond until I got more information.

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Ya whole shit is skewed nigga!

we know that there hasn't even been 100% of white people on board with white supremacy.

a FOCUSED, critical mass is what is needed, because the coons, charlatans, huxters, sellouts, etc won't stop it. and the sleepwalking/comatose will go along with whatever.

we actually have everything we need right now. we don't need Koonye, 10 nickels, or any of them who want to take their millions and live in a castle. fuck em. just gotta cut through the noise, block out the rest, and organize, organize, organize.

crackers been trying to take us out for fucking ever. we're walking talking living breathing miracles. if only more of us KNEW IT.

yall know good and goddamn well yall know what people are saying when they call for unification amongst our culture

ole purposely obtuse asses

yall will say anything to derail constructive conversation

>yall know good and goddamn well yall know what people are
>saying when they call for unification amongst our culture
>
>ole purposely obtuse asses
>
>yall will say anything to derail constructive conversation

just say you don't like reading, ok?

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>we know that there hasn't even been 100% of white people on
>board with white supremacy.
>
>a FOCUSED, critical mass is what is needed, because the coons,
>charlatans, huxters, sellouts, etc won't stop it. and the
>sleepwalking/comatose will go along with whatever.
>
>we actually have everything we need right now. we don't need
>Koonye, 10 nickels, or any of them who want to take their
>millions and live in a castle. fuck em. just gotta cut
>through the noise, block out the rest, and organize, organize,
>organize.
>
>crackers been trying to take us out for fucking ever. we're
>walking talking living breathing miracles. if only more of us
>KNEW IT.

I will be glad when people stop including other ethnicities when talking about black unity. No other ethnic group has our plight in America. It would make sense that 100% of white weren’t on board with white supremacy because its value system is morally wrong, so those that want to be right separate and try to do right. This has NOTHING to do with unification.

that said, including other ethnicities when talking about black unity is something they cant help but do.

this is the “black people are not a monolith” crowd