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luminous
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"Flooding in Texas"


  

          

Thoughts and prayers to those affected

https://youtube.com/shorts/9r5N9GKQnQo?si=S9CCxxvVXZzFPbGW

The messaging at the press conference is that you can't predict heavy rain, like hurricanes and tornadoes. So they can't give warnings or sirens. How true is that?

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RE: Flooding in Texas
Jul 05th 2025
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yep cuts to NSW and NOAA
Jul 05th 2025
3
well, to the messaging...
Jul 05th 2025
2
I feel all of the same sadness and grief regardless of the state
Jul 05th 2025
4
wow. quite disgusting.
Jul 05th 2025
9
      what's disgusting about it?
Jul 06th 2025
10
           sure came off that way.
Jul 06th 2025
14
                Nah
Jul 06th 2025
15
                Yeah, the hypocrisy is crazy
Jul 06th 2025
16
                True
Jul 06th 2025
24
                writing out
Jul 06th 2025
27
                     normally I would agree
Jul 08th 2025
57
                     100%
Jul 08th 2025
58
                     Never said absolve
Jul 08th 2025
59
                     Never said absolve
Jul 08th 2025
60
                          that I don't agree with either.
Jul 08th 2025
61
                               you just made an assumption about what my point was with that.
Jul 08th 2025
                               .
Jul 08th 2025
62
                               well you wrote it.
Jul 08th 2025
63
                                    I agree that it could've been phrased better but he has ...
Jul 08th 2025
64
                                         at the end of the day, i'm just frustrated.
Jul 08th 2025
67
                                              Exactly. It's understandable to be flippant, even often !, considering ....
Jul 08th 2025
68
                                                   and its frustrating when MAGA can say ANYTHING and gain votes
Jul 08th 2025
69
                                                        deadass. THIS all happened in 2025
Jul 08th 2025
70
                                                        Puke.
Jul 08th 2025
73
                                                        Totally.
Jul 08th 2025
72
                               Depends who is reading and how they read it
Jul 08th 2025
65
                                    Right.
Jul 08th 2025
66
                                    America is a red country, sadly
Jul 08th 2025
71
                                         Is it ? A large number of people didn't vote.
Jul 08th 2025
77
                                         yes, it is. as much as a state is red.
Jul 08th 2025
80
                                              Does a red state have the same number of eligible voters as the country
Jul 08th 2025
83
                                                   *thumbs up*
Jul 08th 2025
87
                                                        Keep running from the truth
Jul 08th 2025
92
                                                        Keep running from the truth
Jul 08th 2025
93
                                         shits exhausting
Jul 08th 2025
78
                                              yeah, tribalism.
Jul 08th 2025
89
                                                   the problem is you want folks to be silent and let MAGA define things
Jul 10th 2025
113
                                                        what was really sobering is hearing the AUDIO of those meetings...
Jul 10th 2025
114
                                                        Yep. It's demented.
Jul 10th 2025
118
                                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ exactly. Silence is complicity.
Jul 10th 2025
117
                                                        True
Jul 10th 2025
121
                                                        I realize this a mostly reasonable
Jul 10th 2025
134
                respectfully? fuck off.
Jul 06th 2025
20
yo its a flash flood
Jul 05th 2025
5
so you agree that flash floods can't be predicted?
Jul 05th 2025
6
i'm not a meteorologist idk
Jul 06th 2025
11
maybe the weather is being manipulated
Jul 05th 2025
7
thats just crazy talk
Jul 06th 2025
13
Is FEMA helping?
Jul 05th 2025
8
so fema was just there waiting? like they knew the flash flood was comin...
Jul 06th 2025
12
      people get mad at FEMA because they should be waiting
Jul 06th 2025
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      FEMA moving swiftly depends on how fast the Governor declares
Jul 07th 2025
31
      What? No. They responded quickly as Obama ordered federal aid
Jul 06th 2025
29
           FEMA/ Obama acted fast bc your Governor acted fast to declare
Jul 07th 2025
36
how many people died in the CT floods you sited?
Jul 06th 2025
19
      fucking houses collapsed
Jul 06th 2025
21
           no one is suggesting a warning systems can stop a flood
Jul 06th 2025
22
                tightening the belt
Jul 06th 2025
23
                     why do you think cell phone alerts don't cost money?
Jul 06th 2025
26
                     lol seriously.
Jul 07th 2025
34
                     so how much does it cost for WEAs?
Jul 08th 2025
85
                     everything costs something, obviously
Jul 08th 2025
84
                     shit ain't free
Jul 06th 2025
30
Not sure why folks are asking why this is political
Jul 06th 2025
17
Greg Abbott is on it
Jul 06th 2025
25
lol come on.
Jul 07th 2025
35
Weather patterns dont care about politics
Jul 06th 2025
28
tell that to the administration who cut funding and for what?
Jul 07th 2025
32
      Im saying it at other humans that Ive been digitally connected with for ...
Jul 07th 2025
55
1:Hope the number of dead is as low as possible and 2)FUCK YOU TEXAS/Rep...
Jul 07th 2025
33
Did you see how Noem listed off her resume when asked a tough question
Jul 07th 2025
38
the media purposefully fails us
Jul 08th 2025
75
      Media is in Trump’s back pocket
Jul 08th 2025
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all of this.
Jul 07th 2025
39
RE: Flooding in Texas
Jul 07th 2025
37
uggghhhh...
Jul 07th 2025
40
Camp Mystic, whites only?
Jul 07th 2025
41
social media is so unhealthy
Jul 07th 2025
42
America is sick
Jul 07th 2025
44
thats a people problem, not the tool
Jul 07th 2025
46
      sure, but people do things for attention
Jul 07th 2025
47
           She was appointed to the food insecurity board by the former mayor
Jul 07th 2025
49
                i mean that's not exactly someone *known*
Jul 07th 2025
50
                     she knew what she was doing
Jul 07th 2025
52
no idea if this is true but I remember Katrina was “Gods punishment”
Jul 07th 2025
43
she called the girls "little c***ts" in the comments
Jul 07th 2025
45
      gotdamn.. smh
Jul 07th 2025
48
      Which comments ? Tik Tok ?
Jul 07th 2025
51
           yes
Jul 07th 2025
54
It might be but whats wrong with that?
Jul 07th 2025
53
I was just wondering what race the dead girls were
Jul 08th 2025
56
Cruz is always on vacation when Texans need him
Jul 08th 2025
74
its his kink
Jul 08th 2025
79
is he really on vaca AGAIN??
Jul 08th 2025
81
he was in Greece.
Jul 08th 2025
82
He's controlling the weather with Israel obviously
Jul 08th 2025
86
Death toll still rising...
Jul 08th 2025
88
there were warnings and alerts sent to sm and to cell phones.
Jul 08th 2025
90
Yep
Jul 08th 2025
91
The warnings weren't adequate. I got them. They didn't say which area
Jul 09th 2025
97
      point taken. I agree.
Jul 10th 2025
133
saw this post from someone on the camp grounds.
Jul 08th 2025
94
also this.
Jul 08th 2025
95
The parks have been lacking. My daughters GS troop went out a month ago...
Jul 09th 2025
99
      Damn
Jul 09th 2025
100
      that's crazy.
Jul 10th 2025
132
Flooding in New Mexico and North Carolina
Jul 09th 2025
96
Any truth to sirens being nixed because they were too expensive
Jul 09th 2025
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truth? not sure, but i've seen this reported by multiple reputable agenc...
Jul 09th 2025
101
County authorities discussed warning system at least 20 times since 1987
Jul 09th 2025
102
For your consideration re: Kerr County and these systems...
Jul 09th 2025
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      LOL. Which gives a lot of credence to what you said originally.
Jul 09th 2025
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      i'm saying. i WANT to be wrong about this shit.
Jul 09th 2025
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      I love the irony of the "values" comment.
Jul 09th 2025
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      What's demented about them?
Jul 09th 2025
107
           Did you watch the video ?
Jul 10th 2025
111
                I read that post a few times
Jul 10th 2025
112
                I want to give OKP the benefit of doubt. That the people who post here
Jul 10th 2025
115
                     You don't think it's insane to turn away federal funds ...
Jul 10th 2025
120
                          Eye wouldnt then down federal funds. No. But Im not an idiot.
Jul 10th 2025
125
                               I still see your point but I'm having trouble reconciling what you're sa...
Jul 10th 2025
129
                                    Repectfully NC isnt Texas
Jul 10th 2025
131
                                         Wow. That's *wild*.
Jul 10th 2025
135
                                              Your call/choice
Jul 10th 2025
136
                                                   I see what you're getting at.
Jul 10th 2025
137
                                                   Its a massive undertaking. Its exhausting. But I HATE Grover Norquist
Jul 10th 2025
139
                                                   With regards to humanity, this works for me because I am ARRROGANT
Jul 10th 2025
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                                                        .
Jul 10th 2025
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                                                        LOL fair enough.
Jul 10th 2025
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                                                             I agree. I actively promote community but I dont attempt to build it.
Jul 10th 2025
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                                                                  Yea - totally understood.
Jul 10th 2025
145
                                                   “you cannot outsmart stupid” is a bar.. lmao while smh.
Jul 10th 2025
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                                                        I have so many random and scattered thoughts about Democrats and democra...
Jul 10th 2025
141
                Yes and no. I responded to you with a question and supplemental explana...
Jul 10th 2025
119
                     A secondhand *reading* of their transcribed actions/words.
Jul 10th 2025
122
                          And you’re right. But statewide official isnt a meritocratic position
Jul 10th 2025
123
                               I didn't think you were intentionally muddying the convo.
Jul 10th 2025
124
                                    the transcripts show these folks knew exactly what they were doing
Jul 10th 2025
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                                    Right yea. It's fucking wild.
Jul 10th 2025
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                                    Ignorant people parrot
Jul 10th 2025
130
                                    Empirically I’m at least in the top 5-10% of the state’s intelligenc...
Jul 10th 2025
127
      don't want to make this political but...
Jul 09th 2025
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      but let’s not make it political
Jul 10th 2025
109
           All politics aren’t equal.
Jul 10th 2025
116
More tribalism
Jul 10th 2025
110

DJR
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1. "RE: Flooding in Texas"
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I haven’t dug into this much because I’m absolutely exhausted of all the horrible news.

But weren’t there many cuts to the National Weather Service when dickhead took over in January?

Haven’t there been significant cuts to FEMA?

Do we know if these cuts affected the timeliness and accuracy of flood warnings? Have cuts affected the ability to respond and help people?

  

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3. "yep cuts to NSW and NOAA"
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2. "well, to the messaging..."
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it seems like all morning, local officials down there have been blasting the NWS for their forecasting on this.

iirc the NWS is one of the places that has had cuts to staffing and funding since Trump came into office. i KNOW FEMA has...and they're the ones that are supposed to take over AFTER the disaster, so to speak.

i do hate that this happened to ANYONE. at the same time? red state.

  

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4. "I feel all of the same sadness and grief regardless of the state"
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but I feel a lot of anger too when it’s a red state because those assholes’ terrible policies are intentionally making things worse for people.

  

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9. "wow. quite disgusting."
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>i do hate that this happened to ANYONE. at the same time? red
>state.

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10. "what's disgusting about it?"
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Sun Jul-06-25 12:25 AM by PROMO

  

          

i'm echoing a point that was a point BEFORE this disaster even happened - that MANY red states, where Trump won overwhelmingly, would be worse off for his policies...even worse off than blue states.

these incidents could be even worse in the future:
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2025/07/03/navy-to-stop-sharing-satellite-weather-data-with-noaa/

anyways, get over yourself. i was by no means implying those people DESERVED to be victims because they live in Texas or voted for Trump, SMH.

i AM saying they (red state residents/voters) may be the most negatively affected by this administration. i hope and pray that FEMA actually does what they are supposed to do, but i don't know where that stands, or if they CAN, because from what i see DOGE already cut FEMA staff by 20% and froze their funds.

  

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14. "sure came off that way."
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>anyways, get over yourself. i was by no means implying those
>people DESERVED to be victims because they live in Texas or
>voted for Trump, SMH.

you're the one making flippant statements, get over your own self. if NYC went underwater and commentary from another country was:

"I hate that all those people died. at the same time? America voted for Trump."

there have been plenty of natural disasters that could've been handled better, no matter who is in charge of the imaginary lines we drew across the country. either way, I find it perverse to be so eager to tie in a political spin on tragedies of life.

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15. "Nah"
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It was already political, thanks to the usual suspects. Nobody has to do anything to tie that in, calling it out is fair game.

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16. "Yeah, the hypocrisy is crazy"
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Don’t politicize weather but blue states and NYC in the same sentence. But I guess it’s the MAGA playbook. Unfortunately we will see more of this as the natural disasters increase.

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24. "True"
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>Don’t politicize weather but blue states and NYC in the
>same sentence. But I guess it’s the MAGA playbook.
>Unfortunately we will see more of this as the natural
>disasters increase.


^^^^^^^^^ This right here

That link you posted about the weather modification bill by the nut MTG is insane.

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27. "writing out"
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that "I'm sad this happened, but also -- red state" is not a normal human reaction when a dozen children drown.

just because lunatics would do the same if this had happened in a "liberal" city does not absolve anything.

there will be plenty of dissection of why this happened and how to prevent it, and yes politics are involved. but that comment really rubbed me the wrong way (and sadly commonplace in regards to any tragedy these days).

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57. "normally I would agree"
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but we are in a time when our govt is choosing to cut funding for systems that can help prevent deaths of this magnitude.

I really think its possible to have sympathy for kids dying AND anger/questions about prevention.

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58. "100%"
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The President blames blue states and basically celebrates when shit happens there.

He’s probably a couple days away from blaming Mexicans and wokeness for this one, while ignoring and lying about his role in cutting services that help people.

Everything is political because of that dickhead.

Given all of the cuts to weather services, it 100% should be questioned in this case.

  

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59. "Never said absolve"
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It's normal for people to say what went wrong, how do we prevent this in the future..etc.


That comment that rubbed you the wrong way is common place because of the lunatics. This didn't happen in a vacuum.

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60. "Never said absolve"
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It's normal for people to say what went wrong, how do we prevent this in the future..etc.


That comment that rubbed you the wrong way is common place because of the lunatics. This didn't happen in a vacuum.

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61. "that I don't agree with either."
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>It's normal for people to say what went wrong, how do we
>prevent this in the future..etc.

yeah, sure. except there is a subtext to a lot of those comments, in a they-get-what's-coming-to-them way, when you blurt out "horrible but also, red state" for a damn natural disaster.

millions of people voted democrat in Texas but immediately going to a "red state, blue state" ideology blame game with dead kids is not normal. like you have to take in all the political angles first and furiously Google what Trump has done.

>That comment that rubbed you the wrong way is common place
>because of the lunatics. This didn't happen in a vacuum.

that's another problem. using them as your decency guide for what's acceptable. this political tribalism has made people into what they claim to hate.

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"you just made an assumption about what my point was with that."


  

          

an assumption you were way off about.

little girls that were just doing nothing but sleeping died, and you think * I * think they got what was coming to them?

it's cool man. just move it along.

  

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62. "."
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Tue Jul-08-25 11:16 AM by PROMO

  

          

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63. "well you wrote it."
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it was a callous statement. I don't believe you meant that kind of malice but I vehemently disagree with the phrasing.

yes, the GOP is mostly abhorrent and makes choices that affect us and others horribly. but we have lost a lot of our empathy as normal human beings because these political "gotcha" moments are more important.

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64. "I agree that it could've been phrased better but he has ..."
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Tue Jul-08-25 12:21 PM by Brew

          

... more than adequately explained what his actual point was, so I think this ongoing hyper focus on the words he chose rather than the spirit of what he was trying to say is a little superfluous. It's not like he's doubling down on what he originally said.

>but we have lost a lot of our empathy as normal human beings because these political "gotcha" moments are more important.

And with that said, the political gotcha moments *are* important. We may at times express those points a little flippantly, like in this case, but if we ever want these atrocities to stop we need to continue to point out the repug policies that literally directly lead to the atrocities. It's something we all criticize Dems for all the time, their reluctance to hammer home the things repugs have done to ruin our lives. A big part of the problem in the general population is ignorance to the facts, which is sparked by misinformation BY THE RIGHT. I'm not saying screaming this shit from the rooftops ad nauseum will necessarily change any minds/change anything, but it's about all we have at this point.

I had a moment like this the other week. The discussion of dark money in politics came up and a self-proclaimed right wing friend of mine (who is more stupid/ignorant than evil, I've known him since we were in kindergarten) noted that he agreed with me and the two others in the discussion that dark money is a huge issue in politics and should be done away with. I asked him if he knew anything about Citizens United, which he obviously didn't because he's a dipshit. And I pointed out that the party he proudly but stupidly votes for ushered that case to the finish line and celebrate and utilize it more than anyone.

He didn't really respond because he's a fucking moron and a cultmember but it's still worth pointing out. Someday something might stick.

Anyway that's all to say, I don't think it necessarily makes us as "bad" as the repugs that got us here to continue to (maybe obnoxiously) point out all the ways they've fucked over this country and world, when events like this happen. I don't disagree with your point about carefully choosing the *way* we say these things. But in PROMO's defense (don't mean to speak for him) he probably assumed that people on this board know who he is and his general political/ideological/moral disposition such that being flippant wouldn't offend anyone to this extent. Either way I think that convo is exhausted and we can move on lol. Or not, it's still somewhat of a free country for now.

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67. "at the end of the day, i'm just frustrated."
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i just fucking wish people, even if you're a person i might not agree with on abortion, or DEI, or whatever, would stop fucking voting against themselves.

it's impossible to say with certainty, but it sure looks like this tragedy (and so many before this one, of VARIOUS kinds) could have been lessened at worse, and complete prevented at best if people just stop worshipping the rich and putting them in power regardless of the fact that they are actively working daily to make your life worse.

wishful thinking, i know.

  

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68. "Exactly. It's understandable to be flippant, even often !, considering ...."
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... what we're up against. It's ENDLESSLY frustrating. It's been 10+ years of this level of political polarization, and there is one (large) group of people to blame for the entirety of it.

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69. "and its frustrating when MAGA can say ANYTHING and gain votes"
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while Dem supporters are constantly policed the moment they let off a couple.

The “we go high” shit doesn’t work.

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70. "deadass. THIS all happened in 2025"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lna6F4vClQQ

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1877025171241918702

https://x.com/TheTNHoller/status/1877191743839273028

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/113800079508041805

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/11/warren-davidson-republican-disaster-relief-california-wildfires

  

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73. "Puke."
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72. "Totally."
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65. "Depends who is reading and how they read it"
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>yeah, sure. except there is a subtext to a lot of those
>comments, in a they-get-what's-coming-to-them way, when you
>blurt out "horrible but also, red state" for a damn natural
>disaster.


It could mean they are voting against their own interests, not saying bad things should happen but bad things can happen when you vote for this people like that.

>millions of people voted democrat in Texas but immediately
>going to a "red state, blue state" ideology blame game with
>dead kids is not normal. like you have to take in all the
>political angles first and furiously Google what Trump has
>done.
>

You had a knee jerk reaction and suggested that I was saying the "lunatics" actions absolve the comment that disgust you, just because I said you don't have to tie in politics to tragedy, because it's already political.

You don't have to google anything the Trump brand is the blame game. Everything is DEI, woke, loony left Dems , all of that is automatic so it's normal to question anything attached to the brand.


>that's another problem. using them as your decency guide for
>what's acceptable. this political tribalism has made people
>into what they claim to hate.


Nah it's not a decency guide for what's acceptable. It's living in reality. You can't cover your eyes, ears and mouth or stick your head in the sand when they are using smears and misinformation to cover up. You enable them when you become disgusted now or use a false equivalency, when one side has a long history of "political spin on tragedies of life."

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66. "Right."
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>Nah it's not a decency guide for what's acceptable. It's
>living in reality. You can't cover your eyes, ears and mouth
>or stick your head in the sand when they are using smears and
>misinformation to cover up. You enable them when you become
>disgusted now or use a false equivalency, when one side has a
>long history of "political spin on tragedies of life."

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71. "America is a red country, sadly"
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if we are going by these classifications. of course that doesn't mean we all deserve what happens here.

>It could mean they are voting against their own interests, not
>saying bad things should happen but bad things can happen when
>you vote for this people like that.

my own bias is I just hate this red state/blue state shit. we aren't changing the electoral college but this sense of separateness, elitism (hugely prevalent in these kind of conversations, as if those who live in certain states are above others) and outright disdain for anyone who does not fit in someone's political ideology thimble is unproductive.

and to be clear, I am mostly talking about otherwise reasonable democratic people who have been swallowed up in declaring ideological war at every opportunity. some doctor got fired because she posted that Kerr county voted red so "may they get what they voted for." almost celebrating tragedies that reinforce their worldview. and you will find plenty of dems who think what she said is fine because Trump did this or their neighbor said that.

>Nah it's not a decency guide for what's acceptable. It's
>living in reality. You can't cover your eyes, ears and mouth
>or stick your head in the sand when they are using smears and
>misinformation to cover up. You enable them when you become
>disgusted now or use a false equivalency, when one side has a
>long history of "political spin on tragedies of life."

we are always in a battle against our government. have been for centuries, at least here. yes, the GOP is literally evil and responsible for all sorts of failings, including deaths. Trump is devil incarnate, so on. yes, a large contingent of ghouls would be celebrating any local government failings if this had happened in New York.

but I have lived in all-democratic cities, counties and states long enough to realize that they can and will fail us too. lots of people died in the Maui fires and it was tragic. instant labels and complete lack of empathy doesn't solve anything, but exist to make a lot of people feel vindicated about themselves.

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77. "Is it ? A large number of people didn't vote."
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>if we are going by these classifications. of course that
>doesn't mean we all deserve what happens here.
>

Nah, I doubt that even the people who believe red states get what they deserve would extend that to Dems and people who didn't vote Republican.


>
>my own bias is I just hate this red state/blue state shit. we
>aren't changing the electoral college but this sense of
>separateness, elitism (hugely prevalent in these kind of
>conversations, as if those who live in certain states are
>above others) and outright disdain for anyone who does not fit
>in someone's political ideology thimble is unproductive.
>

Obama did the no red state/blue state speech. Dems reach across the aisle, Kamala followed the bad advice and campaigned with Liz Cheney. None of that works. The lunatics are not interested in anything civil or working together. It's culture war and hold on to power at any cost 24/7

Who's doing the heavy lifting when it comes to "either you are with us or against us" ? Who's pushing the moderates or anyone that questions the wanna be dictator, out of the party ?

The hypocrisy is worse then the elitism. They go on the attack against the same colleges they attended, while the culture war is used to deny others.

>and to be clear, I am mostly talking about otherwise
>reasonable democratic people who have been swallowed up in
>declaring ideological war at every opportunity. some doctor
>got fired because she posted that Kerr county voted red so
>"may they get what they voted for." almost celebrating
>tragedies that reinforce their worldview. and you will find
>plenty of dems who think what she said is fine because Trump
>did this or their neighbor said that.
>

Will any of those Dems or "reasonable democratic people who have been swallowed up" hold elected office, and use social media to tie in politics with a murder tragedy a day after it happen, like Mike Lee from Utah ?


>we are always in a battle against our government. have been
>for centuries, at least here. yes, the GOP is literally evil
>and responsible for all sorts of failings, including deaths.
>Trump is devil incarnate, so on. yes, a large contingent of
>ghouls would be celebrating any local government failings if
>this had happened in New York.
>
>but I have lived in all-democratic cities, counties and states
>long enough to realize that they can and will fail us too.
>lots of people died in the Maui fires and it was tragic.
>instant labels and complete lack of empathy doesn't solve
>anything, but exist to make a lot of people feel vindicated
>about themselves.

This sounds like the bad guys on both sides rhetoric. People don't need instant labels or a lack empathy to feel vindicated, all they have to do is live. Project 2025 is playing out.

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80. "yes, it is. as much as a state is red."
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>Nah, I doubt that even the people who believe red states get
>what they deserve would extend that to Dems and people who
>didn't vote Republican.

then what is the point of saying that about a "red" state? they all live there the same. natural disasters aren't picking and choosing.

>Obama did the no red state/blue state speech. Dems reach
>across the aisle, Kamala followed the bad advice and
>campaigned with Liz Cheney. None of that works. The lunatics
>are not interested in anything civil or working together. It's
>culture war and hold on to power at any cost 24/7

oh, don't get me started about why Dems lost the election. I am talking about having some grace about labeling millions of people as a single entity during a natural disaster that we really cannot be certain that anyone would have prevented. and that killed a dozen children. you're talking about Kamala's grab at neoconservatives via photoshoot with a Cheney.

again, you are conflating your own political viewpoint into every single thing that happens in the world.

>Who's doing the heavy lifting when it comes to "either you are
>with us or against us" ? Who's pushing the moderates or anyone
>that questions the wanna be dictator, out of the party ?

are these questions for democratic leadership? because I would love to see them do more of what they were elected to!

>Will any of those Dems or "reasonable democratic people who
>have been swallowed up" hold elected office, and use social
>media to tie in politics with a murder tragedy a day after it
>happen, like Mike Lee from Utah ?

maybe they should try harder to hold elected office? instead of sitting in their echo chamber online and keeping score?

>This sounds like the bad guys on both sides rhetoric. People
>don't need instant labels or a lack empathy to feel
>vindicated, all they have to do is live. Project 2025 is
>playing out.

not a both sides claim, just specifically about natural disasters and how certain tragedies do not always neatly codify into political talking points. Maui could have been better prepared before the fires. Biden was biking on vacation and had the "no comment" line. fair to hold them accountable for that, but saying shit like "blue state problems" doesn't go over for me. and the same the other way.

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83. "Does a red state have the same number of eligible voters as the country"
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>then what is the point of saying that about a "red" state?
>they all live there the same. natural disasters aren't picking
>and choosing.
>

The point is to call out the those with the power to prevent or stop the damage caused by voting for and helping a criminal take office.


>oh, don't get me started about why Dems lost the election. I
>am talking about having some grace about labeling millions of
>people as a single entity during a natural disaster that we
>really cannot be certain that anyone would have prevented. and
>that killed a dozen children. you're talking about Kamala's
>grab at neoconservatives via photoshoot with a Cheney.
>

You mean like labeling everything woke and DEI even if it's a helicopter crash or a boat hitting a bridge ? The woke/DEI label that never makes it to the group using a sharpie on a map showing a hurricanes path.


>again, you are conflating your own political viewpoint into
>every single thing that happens in the world.
>

No you are using tunnel vision to paint a rosy picture.

>
>are these questions for democratic leadership? because I would
>love to see them do more of what they were elected to!
>

No that question is for the ones who call the red states "Real America"


>
>maybe they should try harder to hold elected office? instead
>of sitting in their echo chamber online and keeping score?
>

Yeah why ask the people voting for Mike Lee or Trump to do anything when you can blame "Dems or "reasonable democratic people who
have been swallowed up..." it's not like gerrymandered districts and numbers make a difference.


>
>not a both sides claim, just specifically about natural
>disasters and how certain tragedies do not always neatly
>codify into political talking points. Maui could have been
>better prepared before the fires. Biden was biking on vacation
>and had the "no comment" line. fair to hold them accountable
>for that, but saying shit like "blue state problems" doesn't
>go over for me. and the same the other way.

It went beyond natural disasters when you said

"I find it perverse to be so eager to tie in a political spin on tragedies of life."


Again the political spin was already there.

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87. "*thumbs up*"
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you keep bringing up lunatics' talking points and using their arguing style is making my point. a natural disaster is a tragedy of life, btw.

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92. "Keep running from the truth"
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You are so disgusted by this that you keep posting about it.

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93. "Keep running from the truth"
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78. "shits exhausting "
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and i think it *should* be asked/investigated how much of this loss of life was avoidable, or can be contributed to cuts made by this administration, or if its likely with such a freak weather event, that the same exact thing would've happened if Kamala was president (and im sure it would be no quarter from the right with little white girls drowning on her watch) or if deregulation in TX made this far worse..

Its all valid, but with tragedies like this too many people seem more concerned with their tribe being right than what's actually happening. Could be anything from school shootings, immigrants killing a girl, fires, whatever.. the noise gives you a sense that the human tragedy part of it is secondary or just a means to point out how the other side is stupid, evil, incompetent.. etc..

Its the worst part about having a president in office who has the personality of a grease fire, and is by just about every measure an abysmal human being. Divisions are hard enough with a 'normal' president. Trump makes people worse people, including many people who oppose him.

  

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89. "yeah, tribalism."
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I mean we got people bringing up Liz Cheney and DEI and senators from Utah in a thread about a mass casualty flooding event, caused by nature. or arguing that a state that voted for Trump deserves more contempt because it is vastly different from a country that voted for Trump.

>Trump makes people worse people,
>including many people who oppose him.

yeah. and I get it, but it's just ugly all-around.

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113. "the problem is you want folks to be silent and let MAGA define things"
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I think you know damn well no one is celebrating tragedy or using kids for politics.

What we are doing is highlighting MAGA and hard liners who are putting people in harms way because they didn’t want to use Obama and Biden’s money to fix things.

When you try to silence and shame folks for pointing this out all you are doing is working deflection for those evil mfrs who have no problem twisting truths to blame Dems or act like this couldn’t be prevented or executed in a way that saves more lives.

and folks saying shit like “its a storm, you can’t predict” is some bulllllllshit of the highest. No one is suggesting GOP could’ve stopped the weather. That isn’t the fucking point.

The point is we know weather is getting more extreme, the experts study this shit and these fucking idiots get in positions of power and dismantle things for money (pushing to privatize weather predictions) instead of doing what is best for all voters and all citizens.

Sorry man.. the only way Americans will change is if they EXPERIENCE tragedy or EXPERIENCE pain. If you run defense with thoughts and prayers and shame while the other side continues to play offense with lies you are part of the problem and you need to sit the fuck down.

These fools putting lives all our lives at risk and you want us to ignore it?

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114. "what was really sobering is hearing the AUDIO of those meetings..."
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and those residents just SPEWING right wing propaganda to their elected officials (that those officials also believe at some level).

reading it is one thing...but hearing person after person just going in front of that board and saying the craziest shit....man.

stuff like that REALLY makes me feel like our society is cooked. like, you can't really come back from it when people talk and feel like that with their souls. there's NO getting through to them.

  

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118. "Yep. It's demented."
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117. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ exactly. Silence is complicity."
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Like I mentioned above, part of why we're here is cuz Dems have been so bad at driving the narrative, and repugs have been so masterful at it. Pretending like this shit isn't happening in a futile effort to not be "like them" only lurches us further in that direction. It's the same energy as the "it's too soon/not the right time to make this political" bullshit that repugs love to spew after our weekly school shootings.

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121. "True"
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>Like I mentioned above, part of why we're here is cuz Dems
>have been so bad at driving the narrative, and repugs have
>been so masterful at it. Pretending like this shit isn't
>happening in a futile effort to not be "like them" only
>lurches us further in that direction. It's the same energy as
>the "it's too soon/not the right time to make this political"
>bullshit that repugs love to spew after our weekly school
>shootings.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I agree

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134. "I realize this a mostly reasonable"
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(albeit abandoned) corner of the internet so I regret lashing out personally to those who can still crack the code to even reach the boards.

yes, the immoral officials in charge of the systems meant to protect people need to be held accountable and politicized.

but I guess I've derailed my original contention. which is that I'm exasperated about labeling all sorts of people as a monolith due to electoral maps (not Promo's intent, in retrospect).

the problem with MAGA voters getting for what they voted for is that a lot of innocent people who *didn't* vote for this become collateral human suffering. and there is some gross smugness (with disclaimers) about these political "comeuppances" that really bristles me. but I can solve that by just being online less.

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20. "respectfully? fuck off."
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sorry, some tragedies have political elements that if different, could be prevented or mitigated if people weren't racist, greedy, self-centered, head up their ass, etc.

calling that out does not make you a bad person or inconsiderate of victims.

  

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5. "yo its a flash flood"
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you don't have to get your dicks in a twist to make this political lol

look up southbury/oxford CT flash floods from last year. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DtD0W4k6S74
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/g2TJHrM8Qts

blue state, you know what fucked up? shitty infrastructure.

CT pulls 10s of billions of dollars in from property taxes every year the streets should be paved in gold from the bronx to boston.

  

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6. "so you agree that flash floods can't be predicted?"
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warnings can't be given? camps can't be evacuated beforehand?

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11. "i'm not a meteorologist idk"
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but i doubt they can be warned with enough time for people to actually do anything. i get flash flood warnings often, no one is evacuating the county.

  

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7. "maybe the weather is being manipulated"
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https://x.com/KandissTaylor/status/1941564712795148332

https://www.instagram.com/p/DLurtP_xZXa

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13. "thats just crazy talk"
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8. "Is FEMA helping?"
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My house, and many others on my street, got damaged by a flash flood years ago. FEMA was there with supplies, food, water, etc.

These services that help people matter. That shouldn’t be political, but sadly it now is.

  

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12. "so fema was just there waiting? like they knew the flash flood was comin..."
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sounds unlikely. FEMA knew about hurricane Milton well before it hit and people still had trouble getting aid.

this will shake out and it will end up being the local gov's disaster because the NWS sent out warnings.

what a tragedy, 20+ kids missing from a camp.

  

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18. "people get mad at FEMA because they should be waiting"
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and ready to move in swiftly after storms because they have all the information available to know when catastrophic storms will hit.

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31. "FEMA moving swiftly depends on how fast the Governor declares"
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a state of emergency

if your state/ situation seemed to get help fast, its because your Governor was PROactive in asking for aid

most ppl mad at FEMA how no idea how it works

  

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29. "What? No. They responded quickly as Obama ordered federal aid"
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to help recovery efforts for the affected areas.

Contrast that with Trump denying FEMA aid to North Carolina after a damn hurricane.

FEMA helping with this one, or is that no longer a thing?

  

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36. "FEMA/ Obama acted fast bc your Governor acted fast to declare"
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19. "how many people died in the CT floods you sited? "
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21. "fucking houses collapsed "
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do people need to die to get federal aid?

the point is shit happens, you can't gauge severity every single time. The Mayor didn't evacuate those towns either and no one cried how if only fema got more money they could've magically rerouted nature.

  

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22. "no one is suggesting a warning systems can stop a flood"
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they are wondering if recent reductions in weather services in the state hampered the ability to adequately warn people.

and yes, you CAN also gauge severity if it's an area that has a history of flash floods.

Its called FLASH FLOOD ALLEY

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23. "tightening the belt"
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doesn't always equal cutting services. cell phone alerts don't cost money.

local gov did what most local govs do, drop the ball. they supposedly don't even have sirens in this town.

  

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26. "why do you think cell phone alerts don't cost money?"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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34. "lol seriously."
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Had to re-read that.

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85. "so how much does it cost for WEAs?"
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84. "everything costs something, obviously"
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30. "shit ain't free"
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17. "Not sure why folks are asking why this is political"
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everything is political these days for obvious reasons.

They out here screaming about weather manipulation because they know damn well they cut funding.

So anytime there is a flood, hurricane or tornado the first thing people ask about is sirens and warnings.

you all know EXACTLY why its being politicized.

Its amurrica

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25. "Greg Abbott is on it"
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https://x.com/GregAbbott_TX/status/1941662751601897729?t=Hg7s9tHnpH4Me-_7Jw2MUQ&s=19

  

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28. "Weather patterns dont care about politics"
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I was in Charlotte 2016-17ish. City flooded in parts state flooded in others
Weather has gotten more extreme since and whole lot of ground has gotten paved over.
All to say. This been the normal for a while.

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32. "tell that to the administration who cut funding and for what? "
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55. "Im saying it at other humans that Ive been digitally connected with for ..."
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I get that systemic failures are notable and that governments are the largest systems we have these days, but Jesus Christ yall are obnoxious to only view your own humanity through the lens of political actors and their actions

People, humans, adults, okp used to have fully fleshed out humans posting about their day to day lives. Now everyone is just an avatar of some political belief system here to refract whatever funhouse mirror light they see the world through.


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33. "1:Hope the number of dead is as low as possible and 2)FUCK YOU TEXAS/Rep..."
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>The messaging at the press conference is that you can't predict heavy rain, like hurricanes and tornadoes. So they can't give warnings or sirens. How true is that?

1)No one can predict with 100% certainty weather - but no one EXPECTS that.

2)They can analyze data - depending on the instruments/tools available and the staff and make predictions and assessments and give warnings when they find something. (And they did.)

3)Texas has flood maps and they know where flooding is likely.

Here is BULLSHIT from Text and Republicans.

3)Upon coming into office Trump appoints Musk and Dodge to find corruption and waste and one of the first things Dodge does is to immediately fire HUNDREDS of employees from the weather services: https://apnews.com/article/national-weather-service-layoffs-trump-doge-a65360a1eb2500b7d47c9c966e383f4a



4)Texas allows people to build in flood zones much more often and with less regulation than most other states. And this is where many of these deaths occurred there: https://www.tpr.org/news/2025-07-06/texas-flash-flood-alley-kerrville


5)The congressman for the area blames DEMOCRATS
Then they DOUBLE DOWN on saying it's actually BECUASE there are too many 'bureaucrats ' and probably DEMOCRATS!!! : https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/you-need-fewer-bureaucrats-chip-roy-uses-tx-flood-as-excuse-to-cut-government/ar-AA1I4bON

The congressman worried that the response would be to close camps located near rivers. You know - like the mayor in Jaws.

"You have camps near the river because it's a beautiful and wonderful place to be," he said. "Maybe there were Democrats that were involved but not doing something. Maybe there were Republicans involved and not doing something."

"Or maybe, just maybe, when you have 19 federal bureaucrats that you have to talk to as the state of Texas to figure out the weather, maybe you need fewer bureaucrats."

This bitch was one of the Republicans who held up disaster relief funds in 2019: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/24/chip-roy-blocks-disaster-aid-funding-1343295


I would not be surprised if they blame flooding on China, or Covid, or The Green New Deal. But remember- according to their NATIONAL PLATFORM- climate change is not real. And every new (no partisan) employee is bureaucrat.


6)Trump blames Biden for it (while saying he DOESN'T Blame Biden):
Asked later on if he had plans to look into whether the cuts at the National Weather Service and the Federal Emergency Management Agency left key positions vacant, Trump and Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick shook their heads.

“They didn’t,” Trump said. “I’ll tell you: You look at that water situation, that was really the Biden setup. That was not our setup. But I wouldn’t blame Biden for it either; I would just say this is a hundred-year catastrophe, and it’s just so horrible to watch.”

Trump also appeared unsure when asked whether the federal government should hire back any of the meteorologists who were gutted in the administration’s slash-and-burn approach to downsizing.

“I wouldn’t know that. I really wouldn’t. I would think not,” he said. “This was a thing that happened in seconds. Nobody expected it, nobody saw it. Very talented people are there and they didn’t see it.”

The National Weather Service, however, has said it conducted forecast briefings and issued warnings hours before the floods came.


The blame everyone except themselves when it's a red state, then they blame every Democrat if it's a blue state - and more often when it is a red state.

Trump is a moron - and the people with brains who are actually in charge (you don't think Trump is actually writing any/almost all of the executive orders himself, do you?) don't give AF about helping you or your drowned relatives.

They care about tax cuts for the rich and building prisons to enable cruelty.

And the CHUMPS in here bitching about not politicizing this - WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK THE REPUBLICANS JSUT DID? They aren't talking about mitigation or harm reduction or responsible government or zoning changes. (See their response to gun control after every mass shooting.)

They are blaming the weather service, and Biden, and possibly Democrats and not doing anything to actually address the problem.

There's no perfect way to handle this - but there's a perfectly bad way of handling it - and Republicans seem to have the knack to do that in every case.

Fuck them. And make them pay for it if there is another free election.

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38. "Did you see how Noem listed off her resume when asked a tough question"
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its their playbook anytime they get faced with a reap question.

But NO ONE FOLLOWS UP with a “cool, but I didn’t ask about your past gigs, so can you answer the question?”



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75. "the media purposefully fails us"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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76. "Media is in Trump’s back pocket "
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39. "all of this."
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37. "RE: Flooding in Texas"
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https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/05/climate/texas-flooding-forecast-response?iid=cnn_buildContentRecirc_end_recirc

The two Texas NWS offices most closely involved in forecasting and warning about the flooding on the Guadalupe River — Austin-San Antonio and San Angelo — are missing some key staff members, but still issued a slew of watches and warnings about the flood danger.

The question is whether the warnings reached who they needed to reach.

Tom Fahy, the legislative director for the NWS employees’ union, told CNN that while he believes the offices had “adequate staffing and resources,” the Austin-San Antonio office is missing a warning coordination meteorologist — a role that serves as a crucial, direct link between forecasters and emergency managers.

This vacancy in the Austin-San Antonio office, along with other key roles, were the result of early retirement incentives offered by the Trump administration to shrink the size of the federal government, a NOAA official told CNN.

The National Weather Service began forecasting the threat of flooding in Kerr County as early as Thursday morning with a hazardous flood outlook.

A flood watch was issued at 1:18 p.m. CT, that highlighted Kerrville, among other locations, as being at risk of flash flooding — though notably, as local officials have raised, the forecast was for less rainfall than what fell: as much as 5 to 7 inches for an event that ultimately dropped as much as 15 inches on parts of central Texas.

Several technical forecasts followed Thursday afternoon and evening with increasingly heightened language about the magnitude of the potential flooding. At 6:30 p.m., river forecasters were calling for locally intense rain rates that would “quickly overwhelm” the ground’s ability to absorb the water.

“Rapid runoff is expected, with locally considerable flash and urban flash flooding possible … the nocturnal timing will also enhance the hazard potential and impacts,” the forecasters predicted. They also noted the potential for a historic rainfall event, though it’s unclear if that messaging reached emergency managers.

The first warning for “life-threatening flash flooding” for Kerrville came at 1:14 a.m., and was marked specifically to trigger the Emergency Alert System. It would have sounded the alarm on cell phones in the warned area, assuming those phones had service, and their users hadn’t turned off EAS weather alerts.

Three hours later, the Kerr County Sheriff’s Office sent the first report of flooding at low-water crossings.

Several other critical alerts followed, warning of the imminent threat: A flash flood emergency warning was issued for Kerr County at 4:03 a.m., followed by one for Kerrville at 5:34 a.m.

The raging river burst from its banks around 5 a.m., sweeping homes, cars, campers and cabins downstream. It took about 90 minutes for the 20-foot flood wave to move down the Guadalupe River overnight Thursday, triggering the river’s second-highest crest on record.

Several NWS offices around the country are worse off than San Angelo or Austin-San Antionio, working with such thin staffing that they no longer operate 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

Many NWS forecast offices have ceased launching their twice-a-day weather balloons, which provide critical data that can alert forecasters to the potential for flooding and other hazardous weather.

The NOAA official defended the National Weather Service forecasts, and said the disaster ultimately resulted from too much rain in too short of time in one of the most vulnerable spots in the country for flash flooding, and in the overnight hours — the worst time of day to get warnings to people in harm’s way.

This particular population is inundated with weather watches and warnings all times of day and night; in Texas Hill Country, where flash flooding is triggered frequently by summertime thunderstorms, warning fatigue can settle in.

The Kerr County tragedy also shines a spotlight on the limitations of current forecasting technology: It is simply not yet possible to predict that a cluster of thunderstorms dumping months’ worth of rain would stall out over a specific spot. Research efforts to find answers to these forecasting questions could soon slip backwards, experts warn, if the Trump administration’s 2026 budget proposal is enacted — just as the country needs to push the limits on what weather models are capable of.

The budget seeks to eliminate all of NOAA’s weather and climate research labs along with institutes jointly run with universities around the country. The entire research division of NOAA would be eliminated under the proposal, which is subject to congressional approval.

This would shut down research and development of new forecasting technologies, including computer modeling and severe weather warning scenarios, and hamper prediction of hazards including flash floods.

One of the NOAA labs slated to be shut down is the National Severe Storms Lab in Norman, Oklahoma, which works to improve flash flood forecasting among other hazards from severe thunderstorms.

The NOAA research cuts would come just as human-caused climate change is resulting in more frequent and intense downpours like the ones that led to this tragedy in Texas.

NOAA spokesperson Kim Doster told CNN the Weather Service provided ample lead time prior to the onset of flash flooding on the Guadalupe River.

“The National Weather Service is heartbroken by the tragic loss of life in Kerr County. On July 3, the NWS office in Austin/San Antonio, TX conducted forecast briefings for emergency management in the morning and issued a Flood Watch in the early afternoon,” Doster said in a statement.

“Flash Flood Warnings were also issued on the night of July 3 and in the early morning of July 4, giving preliminary lead times of more than three hours before flash flooding conditions occurred.”

While the July 4 flooding was worst-case, the scenario is becoming more frequent as the world warms: More rainfall coming faster than it ever has before, with forecast models inherently biased toward what we used to consider “normal.”

Kerr County’s judge said the county does not have a warning system for flooding, while Kerrville City manager said they “could not anticipate” the severity of the flooding despite the warnings because the event happened so quickly.

The DHS Secretary said President Donald Trump wants to fix and upgrade the technology that the National Weather Service uses.

“The National Weather Service has indicated that with that and NOAA, that we needed to renew this ancient system that has been left in place with the federal government for many, many years, and that is the reforms that are ongoing,” Noem said.

A NOAA official said they did not know specifically what Noem was referring to, but that upgrades to agency computer networks, radars and modeling systems are underway.

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40. "uggghhhh..."
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it sounds like, barring some sort of reversal, which takes someone saying "i was wrong" (very unlikely with this bunch), this stuff could get way worse re: those NOAA cuts.

  

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41. "Camp Mystic, whites only?"
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https://youtube.com/shorts/CrgbqawaYfM

  

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42. "social media is so unhealthy "
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44. "America is sick"
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46. "thats a people problem, not the tool"
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47. "sure, but people do things for attention "
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shes not a public figure. 20 years ago this is just a demented comment among her peers or some message board

she saw little kids drown and thought let me put my hot take out there

  

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49. "She was appointed to the food insecurity board by the former mayor"
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She was the Houston Food Insecurity Board member from 2023 till January 2025. Her appointment was made by former Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner.

Obviously she won’t have that role any longer but she isn’t just some random broad posting.

I made a mistake earlier saying she was part of a flood board but its a food insecurity board.

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50. "i mean that's not exactly someone *known*"
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and now she just defined herself with this.
search her name in 10 years and its this, and not anything good she might have done or how her loved ones feel about her, etc..

would attribute alot of this to social media culture, and her trying to put some take out there for attention (which im sure she didn't exepct this much even opening with "i know i might get canceled for this") now im sure the racism she was mining for on this website is coming back at her 100 fold.



  

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52. "she knew what she was doing"
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bet she monetized this too

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43. "no idea if this is true but I remember Katrina was “Gods punishment”"
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they are quick to use God when tragedy strikes Black and Brown folk.

I know Sade is definitely feeling all the smoke for that post and was removed from a government agency that deals with floods due to her post.



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45. "she called the girls "little c***ts" in the comments"
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this person is vile or deranged, maybe both, and social media amplifies those behaviors

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48. "gotdamn.. smh"
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51. "Which comments ? Tik Tok ?"
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54. "yes"
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she went private and deleted the comment then went back public with it gone, but there are screenshots if you want to look up her depravity.

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53. "It might be but whats wrong with that?"
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Most camps in very rural areas, religious based or in majority segregated cities (ie Chicago) are majority or all one race. If the adults actually advertised and admitted children based on race alone, then shame on them. Whats most bad is that kids lost their lives. If indeed created with evil in mind, the creators are paying the price.

  

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56. "I was just wondering what race the dead girls were "
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Before replying like a human being

  

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74. "Cruz is always on vacation when Texans need him"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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79. "its his kink"
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81. "is he really on vaca AGAIN??"
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this is ridiculous. Texas gonna love him tho showing how ignorant they truly are and what we are fighting against. Its a losing battle overall because of the mindset of these people.

  

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82. "he was in Greece."
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then he said he tried to get back as fast as he could, but the sleuths got on it and apparently he could have been back like a day sooner, so now people are frying him for "lying."



  

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86. "He's controlling the weather with Israel obviously"
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he thinks he's slick

  

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88. "Death toll still rising..."
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The death toll from the Texas floods has risen to at least 111 people and at least 172 people are still missing.

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90. "there were warnings and alerts sent to sm and to cell phones."
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but it was also happening during sleeping hours, so those notifications weren't going to be effective. the flooding happened pretty fast.

this doesn't appear to be directly connected to department cuts. it's more terrible timing in an area prone to flooding. not sure anything could've stopped this from happening.


https://www.khou.com/article/news/state/texas-news/texas-flood/texas-hill-country-flooding-timing-factors/285-e8b25b39-7e5f-4d2b-a4fd-8156b8ad815d


July 3, 1:18 p.m.: Flood Watch issued for the Hill Country.

July 3, late evening: High-resolution forecast models showed increasing risk for significant flash flooding; special discussions released.

July 4, 1 a.m.: Thunderstorms developed over Kerr County.

July 4, just after 1 a.m.: First Flash Flood Warning issued with a considerable tag. This tag triggers the emergency alert tones to sound on cell phones.

July 4, 4:03 a.m.: Upgraded to a rare Flash Flood Emergency -- the highest alert there is.

July 4, 4:20 a.m.: Guadalupe River at Hunt reaches major flood stage.

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91. "Yep"
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A couple other camps in the area decided to evacuate.

Also I don't think some people take climate change seriously because it is down played and people don't take the warnings seriously. This was the remnants of a hurricane. Like what happened in North Carolina last year with Hurricane Helene. People think because they are inland they are safe from the brunt of a storm. But hotter air holds more moisture so it rains more water.

Also I posted above: Austin-San Antonio office is missing a warning coordination meteorologist — a role that serves as a crucial, direct link between forecasters and emergency managers.

Also it was a holiday so some emergency personnel could have been on vacation or working on fireworks and other crowd control planning.


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97. "The warnings weren't adequate. I got them. They didn't say which area"
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City, county, neighborhood, region. etc. In a state this size you have to have a level of specificity. A couple years back there was a statewide alert because someone shot a cop, went out to all of the state, cop was shot near the border of Oklahoma. That's like a full 8 hours of drive time full speed from my house.

Same with the flood. I'm 10 miles from my sister, 5 from my parents, and like 40 miles from where the rivers are ... I got the same notifications as they did.

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133. "point taken. I agree."
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if they're not specific, most people are going to ignore the notifications.

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94. "saw this post from someone on the camp grounds."
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https://www.facebook.com/share/p/19GgkLVWqL/

I don’t usually post on social media, but I feel compelled to mitigate some of the misinformation regarding the warning system.

We were primitive camping at HTR campground in Ingram/ Kerrville when the flood event occurred. We received multiple NWS notifications throughout the night. There was no issue with cellular service that night/early morning. However, the campground itself didn’t notify us via text that we needed to evacuate until approximately 20 minutes after instinct and common sense told us to GTFO. Not saying that this responsibility lies solely on the campground. Our campsite/tent was in close proximity to the river which was advantageous to our monitoring, people in campers didn’t have this vantage point. Also, I am attaching a short clip that I posted to my Snapchat. The video isn’t of the best quality due to darkness, but the audio is disheartening. There was nothing I could do aside from ensuring my family was safe.

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95. "also this."
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https://www.facebook.com/share/v/18NeobYMwW/

this was fast!

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99. "The parks have been lacking. My daughters GS troop went out a month ago..."
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To camp. There were boars in the area, they told them to just be aware instead of not camping. You don't camp around wild boars, park ranger just let them.

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100. "Damn"
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132. "that's crazy."
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96. "Flooding in New Mexico and North Carolina"
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https://www.nbcnews.com/weather/floods/flash-flood-emergency-hits-new-mexico-town-burned-deadly-wildfires-rcna217663

https://www.cbs17.com/news/local-news/dead-in-north-carolina-after-chantal-thousand-year-flood-event-spurs-water-rescues-closed-roads/

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98. "Any truth to sirens being nixed because they were too expensive "
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Morales said that no one died in Comfort, a town of about 2,300 people in Kendall County. But in Kerr County about 20 miles away, dozens of people, including young girls staying at Camp Mystic, a riverside Christian summer camp, were washed away when the Guadalupe surged over its banks and swamped the surrounding countryside. As of Monday evening, officials said, 104 people had been confirmed dead, 84 of them in Kerr County, including dozens of children. Kerr County has no siren system despite years of debate, in part because some local officials felt it was too expensive to install.

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101. "truth? not sure, but i've seen this reported by multiple reputable agenc..."
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so i'm GUESSING that's true.

  

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102. "County authorities discussed warning system at least 20 times since 1987"
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https://abcnews.go.com/US/kerr-county-authorities-discussed-warning-systems-20-times/story?id=123594306

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103. "For your consideration re: Kerr County and these systems..."
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https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT6dmyMMP/

  

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104. "LOL. Which gives a lot of credence to what you said originally."
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These people (not the whole state, just the cultmembers) are demented.

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105. "i'm saying. i WANT to be wrong about this shit."
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assuming those meeting minutes are true?

FUCKING YIKES.

  

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106. "I love the irony of the "values" comment."
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We don't want that money going to states that have values we don't agree with. OUR good ole boy Texan values are the right ones. And those values include holding on to that free, dirty communist money and letting our people die from preventable tragedies !

Deranged. Deplorable.

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107. "What's demented about them?"
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I preface this by saying I disagree with them on every level, that on a micro and macro level I think they're way off base.
But my world view is informed by being part of a historical outgroup within this state and region. That at no point in my Texas public school education from K through 12, GT and AP courses, and then six years at a private university here ... did I ever once get a proper and factual based education.
And that through that lens I view the people who the failings of the system were then reinforced by church groups, AM radio, and Fox News ... who truly didn't or don't have the means or resources to 1. know that they live inside of a distorted reality let alone 2. have the capability to break out of it.

I don't see them as demented. Ghoulish, offensive, abhorrent ... yes. But the allegory of Plato's Cave should be a critical lens through which outsiders view these people on this local scale, and might also help to analyze their fellow grievance based countrymen.

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111. "Did you watch the video ?"
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112. "I read that post a few times "
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and I think its jus someone from Texas who sees them as a variety of things..

semantics IMO.

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115. "I want to give OKP the benefit of doubt. That the people who post here"
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Are of higher intellectual capacity than the people they hate. That even a Kira (who I almost 100 percent disagree with on everything) at the very least applies critical thinking to their takes.

And its not semantics. Its a challenge of a question of what makes someone demented (which implies a degree of insanity) where as Im asking and challenging you all to truly understand and imagine these people as fundamentally ignorant, incapable of critical thinking, and then walled off from even knowing that that is a skill that they lack.

That yalls observations of their behaviors are on the nose. But you alls desire to treat them as dishonest intellectual equals rather than walled off and intellectually stunted humans who lack the capacity or capability to be fully fleshed out adults is leading yall to misread them.

I just got back the other week from my uncles funeral. The ignorance of his spouse and kids was almost overwhelming. The same mistakes they were making with arraignments were the same ones that made with treatment which then carried over the entire week after. The ONLY reason that body got into ground was because of the funeral home, grave digger, and me and my dad. That they simply lacked the capacity to understand what they didnt know … or to even learn from their actions from one day to the next. It was like dealing with my kids. But my kids are 4 and 7.



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120. "You don't think it's insane to turn away federal funds ..."
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... solely because the president who allocated/sent them to you to help *YOUR* constituents is a member of the other political party ?

>Its a challenge of a question of what makes someone demented (which implies a degree of insanity) where as Im asking and challenging you all to truly understand and imagine these people as fundamentally ignorant, incapable of critical thinking, and then walled off from even knowing that that is a skill that they lack.

I think the point may be that these people can be all of the above. Their ignorance drives them to the point of insanity.

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125. "Eye wouldnt then down federal funds. No. But Im not an idiot. "
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But if I truly believed that the money was coming from an illegitimate governmening body trying to buy my complicity in their child eating, grooming, and perverted world view … holding that money to not allow it to be used for those nefarious purposes would almost be a moral obligation.

And if I truly belived that. And not one person that I know or respect said counter why would I believe different. And if I like many Americans LOVED authority figures and respected money because my church says so … and my pastors snd elected reps … and sheriffs … and television people … and radio people were saying to exact same things I believed… what capacity would I have to break out of that circle.

They are prisoners of a system of their own design. I feel zero pity or sympathy or empathy for them. But I don’t view them as independent actors. I view them the same way I view as all of America. Unwilling or unable to critically challenge its own world view because it’s uncomfortable and doesn’t hold up to the myth.

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129. "I still see your point but I'm having trouble reconciling what you're sa..."
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... with what legs pointed out in post #126. Ignorant or not, the fact that they were making "dead in the water" jokes about their own constituents dying tells me they're not exactly blind to what they're doing, they're well aware of it and celebrating it.

But I guess you maybe kind of answered that w/your first comment about believing that Dems are child eating and grooming etc.

I dunno. Demented still feels like a fine word to use haha. But again I see your point.

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131. "Repectfully NC isnt Texas"
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Just because we’re using the same words doesnt men we’re saying the same things

I didnt read it as a dead in the water joke
It was a statement made
The person followed up to see if they were taking about the bill or people
And the ghoul that replied implied thats a distinction without a difference by repeating “dead in the water”

Floods are like one of the most biblical events they view the world through. What may look like a joke, an alternate reading is a discussion of prophecy. There’s a reason these ghouls keep saying the best they have right now today is prayers. They truly believe that the flood waters choose and that if you die in a flood that it’s part of a larger divine purpose.

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135. "Wow. That's *wild*."
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>Floods are like one of the most biblical events they view the world through. What may look like a joke, an alternate reading is a discussion of prophecy. There’s a reason these ghouls keep saying the best they have right now today is prayers. They truly believe that the flood waters choose and that if you die in a flood that it’s part of a larger divine purpose.

Truly insane. And, I mean this seriously not as a shot at you re: the origins of our discussion here, but based on the above I even moreso standby my use of the word "demented" to describe these people lol. That is literal insanity, no matter how it came to be. To my mind.

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136. "Your call/choice "
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A reason that Im so adamant about my language is that it’s one of the few tools available to counter program ourselves and then that language effectively allows people/me to counter ignorance.

You can not outsmart stupid.

I got in a conversation with a few months ago with a friend of many years. He kept wanting to frame our experiences through his whiteness and his conservativesness. And every step I denied him that. I wouldn’t allow the conversation to be about him being white or me being Black. I continued to have a conversation about our humanity. And the more he dug into identifiers the more I dug into abstraction. And by the end of that conversation while he didn’t necessarily agree with me (he came close) he was almost forced to mirror my language just to talk about it.

I forget the specifics of what the conversation was about. But I know he asked me a few times “doesn’t that piss you off as a Black man” .. and my responses were some form of “as an adult that shit pisses me” … because my Blackness isnt necessarily my moral compass. Its my history, my social identifier, its a lot of things… but if I have any hope to define myself in my eyes its through my own humanity.

The people that this site professes to hate are MASTERS at thought ending cliches and short hand. Their entire ideology relies on not thinking too much and rote categorization. The counter to branding isn’t better or alternative branding, its generics. If your enemy is a Coke fan, you’re not going to sell them on Pepsi but there is a path to just have a conversation about “pop” and then allow them to fill in the blanks.

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137. "I see what you're getting at."
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I appreciate the thoughtful response.

Now that you mention it, this is the type of thing I've been somewhat subconsciously trying to do in conversations with conservative people in my circle for a little while now, maybe since the beginning of fuhrer trump 2.0. Because I've known some of these people my entire life. And basically I've been trying to appeal to the core of their humanity as opposed to letting the conversations immediately devolve into right vs left rhetoric.

Eventually it has to get to that left v right point if we're having an honest and thorough discussion. But I've (probably naively) been thinking/hoping that if I appeal to their humanity first and come to baseline, common understandings of what we'd both want to see in an ideal world, and only *then* allow political discourse and realities to enter the discussion, it may help me chip away at the boundaries they've set for themselves based on how they've been propagandized by republicans and centrist democrats our entire lives.

But maybe/probably not.

Anyway all that is to say I see your point/perspective and appreciate where you're coming from. And I apologize if I came off a little dismissive earlier on in the discussion. It was intentional but not personal, obviously. The state of the world is frustrating for all of us (those of us with human brains and beating human hearts, at least) so at times our frustrations may be misdirected, and I'm as guilty as anyone.

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139. "Its a massive undertaking. Its exhausting. But I HATE Grover Norquist"
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And I’ve been studying his marketing since I learned his name decades ago. Mini Goebbels ass. Fuck him.

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140. "With regards to humanity, this works for me because I am ARRROGANT"
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It may only peek through here but anyone that still likes and loves me is well familiar with how I feel about myself. I make almost no attempts to appeal to anyone elses humanity and if anything I’m openly dismissive about situations where people dont center themselves. Regardless if its politics, sports, jobs, celebrities … NONE of them people care about me or you.

I’m not Black until I leave my house. I’m not a man until I need to pee standing up. These identifiers we use matter on a number of levels but my personal belief systems dont brush my teeth, take a shit, take a shower, laugh, cry, manage anger, grief, or regret … thats me. Thats my obligation to myself in this blip of cosmic time that I get to have and I’ll be damned if I let any of this short hand categorize and define my human experience.

And thats the lane people in my life navigate when engaging with me. And that love for myself the pushes into arrogance territory … I don’t make appeals to people often.

I chose to post these past two days solely because I was so disappointed that nobody even thought to check on any Texas posters. The discourse has gone downhill so far that the idea any of us could’ve been in trouble didn’t even cross the collective. And we’re not so far removed in time that when civil war was breaking out in one of the west African countries we checked in on fellow posters.

Yall have demonstrated that you’re better humans than whatever the last few months of posting has shown. And I hope yall get back to seeing that within yourselves. And if this comes across as condescending it’s because it is. Because again … I am ARRRRROOOOGGANNTTT

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142. "."
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143. "LOL fair enough."
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I think what you said here kind of plays into another major American issue which is our national penchant for "individuality," which to your point only further drives that wedge into our shared humanity and desire for community.

That wedge is driven by both parties, it's commonplace across the entire political spectrum besides maybe the far left. But either way, I think playing into it only helps those in power continue the divisions that got us to the point we're at today.

None of this makes what you said and your perspective wrong at all. I only say that to say that per my anecdote above, I do still try and appeal to people's humanity because I think, short of a civil war (which to your point above and below, may be a foregone conclusion at this point), using that tactic to try and break down these people's pre-conceived notions to try and build community may be our only way out of this. Those of us not in the 1%, ALL of us, have way more in common than any of us do with the capitalist class.

It's probably a futile effort on my part, but I'd like to avoid all out civil war if it can be avoided lol. I think we all would.

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144. "I agree. I actively promote community but I dont attempt to build it. "
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I cant “Black excellence” my way out of global anti-Blackness. And I refuse to even try. If the planet ends because a continuation of historical bigotry, biases, and love for fundamental exploitation that have existed since time immemorial then so be it. I am but one man and my influence as but one man would always be limited regardless of predisposed headwins I face.

My ingroup “others” republicans, white people, mexican people, indian people, queer people, non religious people, the homeless, the shady, and poor people etc.

We’re not genocidal about it but we’re also not exactly in alliance. I feel no sense of personal or moral obligation or even capability to directly change that. I do right and live right for me and the people in my house because that’s how I want to live.

And through that self defined brand of individuality I believe and espouse that we’re all a people and that collectively we inherit the problems of other outgroups regardless of our affinity for each other or not. So I really only talk about food, weather, and health …I keep a majority of all conversations I have about the body and the physical

I don’t have a solution for the macro problems we face today. Only an understanding that this has always been part of the human experience and that the none of the best thinkers in the history of our species have been able to solve this problem at scale.

I do hope you all find a healthy space outside of the people and systems that are actively making those healthy spaces (internally and externally) fewer and fewer.

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145. "Yea - totally understood."
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And to your points, I'd actually originally meant to end my prior post by saying that I understand that you and I are coming at this from *ENTIRELY* different perspectives based on my being white, you Black (among other things including where we reside). And I'd meant to say that to make clear that my post wasn't a criticism of your approach at all, just an observation as an extension of what you'd said - but it looks like you didn't take it as such anyway and then you made that point for me lol.

This isn't an original thought or position at all but it's on me and people who look like me to drive those efforts and attempts at change within my/our own community, we are and have always been the problem, like you mentioned. Which is why I always want to take it upon myself to continue these conversations with conservative dipshits in my circle, despite every fiber of my being wanting to instead beat the shit out of them and stop wasting my time hah. Like I said in another post herein, it's the very least I can do from where I sit.

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138. "“you cannot outsmart stupid” is a bar.. lmao while smh. "
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this is what I have been trying to say when it comes to Dems
losing elections we all think are easy lay ups

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141. "I have so many random and scattered thoughts about Democrats and democra..."
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That we're all in the same collective outgroup "big tent" ... is not by choice. We have so little in common culturally but they want to maintain a polite society in a country that inherently violent. It's violent violent, passive aggressively violent, micro aggressively violent, systematically violent, structurally violent ... just layers upon layers of defining and othering outgroups to maintain division.

And the counter to violence can't be just non violence alone. Non violence only appeals to humanity of others if they have the same shared values. You can't appeal to the conscience of people that have none. They hated that man when he was alive and now he's just a few lines of kumbya for them but not a young man who was brutally murdered (probably by the State) for appealing to their humanity. Mammie Till had that poor babies body on display, but they to this day shoot up that little boys headstone.

America is a violent country. Founded on violence, built on violence, maintained by systems of violence.

Right now that grievance class is predominately white people in the form of the GOP, but the reason that they were able to make inroads into so many communities is because they gave a voice to grievances (real or imagined). That some how the main benefactors of centuries of violence are now victims is farcical at best, but honestly just another form of violence.

Then on the other side you got the "can't we all just get along" ass grievance class that wants to keep building bridges with folks that are clearly more interested in burning it all down rather than break bread. This election was over the second they abandoned "weird" because they never truly believed that those people were weird, possibly misunderstood, but that also on every level they feared the backlash of calling them weird.

So instead of a fight for the very soul of the country, we got a mediated negotiation with a people who OPENLY said, it would be a bloodless revolution ... if we allow it. Fuck that, the second people start talking like that yap yap, you already in a fight.


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119. "Yes and no. I responded to you with a question and supplemental explana..."
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Of where I was coming from in hopes that you would critically engage with me and not some nobody stranger that youre hearing about through a second hand retelling of their transcribed actions.

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122. "A secondhand *reading* of their transcribed actions/words."
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I'm happy to critically engage but this really seems like an irrelevant muddying of a pretty simple conversation. These state officials, on record, stated that they didn't want to use the federal funds they were handed to help their constituents, because those funds came from a Democratic president. Whatever term you want to use to describe it, it's not normal human behavior for anyone outside of repugs. It's insane. It's ignorant. It's negligent. It's ... all of the bad things. And people are dead as a direct result of that inexplicable decision. And the people who made that decision should be hammered for it publicly and privately for the rest of their miserable lives.

I'm truly confused as to what you're driving @ here, but being that you're from Texas and I'm not, I'm not than happy to engage further in an effort to better understand your perspective. Are you saying that because of Texas' propagandized education system, these officials and voters have been made to be convinced that nothing Dems/"the left" does is good and that they should be seen as the enemy no matter what they do ? Even if what they're doing is handing you money to help your own constituents/neighbors ?

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123. "And you’re right. But statewide official isnt a meritocratic position "
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I’m not intentionally muddying waters and so apologies if if I’m doing so. I just dont see any posting that starts with the fact that these are propagandized idiots leading and being led by other propagandized idiots. So much of the dialogue is about how they should know and do better and then everything stems from there

And I’m making the case that they don’t know better. That they’re idiots. Craven, ammoral, reprehensible … but ultimately idiots. Like people that willingly attended Trump University, ate Trump steaks, went into business with him and expected to get paid are idiots.

But every conversation about them here is about their Machiavellian like abilities to counter the Democratic party and science and history and its big brain evaluations of what could and should be done. But you cant outsmart stupid. Stupid wins every single time

Are they dragging us down? Yes. Are they holding us back? Yes. But they are idiots. You cant educate idiots, you cant rationalize idiots … you have to truly accept that a lot of people are just dumb.

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124. "I didn't think you were intentionally muddying the convo."
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And this absolutely answers my question. And it's something about Texas that I'm probably intuitively aware of but at the same time, dismissive of. So I appreciate you bringing it up. I think you're probably correct that they are total and complete idiots who can't even properly differentiate between good and bad. Sad state of affairs for sure.

That said, I still stand by my use of the term "demented" even if it's not 10000% accurate lol. I think on some level these people *are* demented, even if it's not totally their own faults or whatever.

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126. "the transcripts show these folks knew exactly what they were doing"
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this is not the Texas school system or a Fox News bubble


They jokingly say shit like “dead in the water” and have timelines that could work around using Dem money.

Demented, vengeful, back asswards..

take your pick.

This isn’t ignorance. They lay out plans and reasons for not protecting people.

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128. "Right yea. It's fucking wild."
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>this is not the Texas school system or a Fox News bubble
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>They jokingly say shit like “dead in the water” and have
>timelines that could work around using Dem money.
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>Demented, vengeful, back asswards..
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>take your pick.
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>This isn’t ignorance. They lay out plans and reasons for not
>protecting people.

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130. "Ignorant people parrot"
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It’s not a sign of intention as much as a revelation of what they hear.
This isnt to absolve them of their actions
But your point is very much in line with Dave Chappelle’s entire bit of “how old is 12 really”
Words and actions are subjective and you’re holding idiots to a standard that you would hold yourself. Which is absolutely fair. But they simply aren’t on your level.

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127. "Empirically I’m at least in the top 5-10% of the state’s intelligenc..."
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And I’m bright … but not that bright. And even worse. My entire education was fully supplemented by being Black in this state. Being intimately aware or an under if at all documented history of this state and maintaining that contradiction in my head since NONE of the school system was designed to undermine the lie it was founded upon. I then moved, and traveled outside of the traditional pathways (armed forces) that someone from my background would have been allowed to.

Meanwhile a full 82% of Texans never migrate from the state. https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/texas-california-moving-18340567.php

You’re almost never reading about rational actors with Texans. It’s full on myth and arrested development at scale. Yet we’re given the benefit of doubt by having national representatives and sports teams and the ability to speak english.

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108. "don't want to make this political but..."
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sounds like Herr County didn't install an emergency alert system for political reasons...

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109. "but let’s not make it political "
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116. "All politics aren’t equal. "
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Some of us vote for political parties and reps because we understand the function and purpose of governments

And other people vote for political parties because they like the colors, mascot, and occasional swag.

Viewing political actors through that framing is kind of critical.

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110. "More tribalism"
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