That is all. LFG.

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the Dem establishment tho? SMH.

It could be reasonably argued that had the establishment DNC just let the primary run its course in 2016 rather than proactively and aggressively torpedoing Bernie's campaign, we'd have avoided all this fascism.

They say fascism is the biggest threat we face as a country, but they sure don't fucking act like it. It may even be reasonable to conclude that they *prefer* fascism to ... taking care of society/"socialism". For shame.

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the populace, in general, says "we'd like a government, whether its local, state or national, that actually looks out for its citizens."

a few Dems run on that very premise (Mamdani, Bernie, AOC, etc)...and the establishment is like "nah."

y'all say you want to win?!?!? THE WIN IS RIGHT THERE!!!

but NYC or San Francisco going socialist doesn’t mean America or Dems nationally will wale the fuck up.

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>but NYC or San Francisco going socialist doesn’t mean
>America or Dems nationally will wale the fuck up.


Right. NYC is much more left-leaning than most places in the country.

I'd even argue that NYC is much more left-leaning than New York State, especially Upstate New York.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

cuz, i understand this point, but it's not like he ran on trans rights or whatever, shit that doesn't appeal to more center Dems who may not live in urban hubs.

he bascically ran on making life more affordable and for government actually working for the people.

that SHOULD be an EASY message to get across to voters.

... vote based on the economy as their primary concern. That goes for right, left, center, every level of the political spectrum. So it shouldn't be a very difficult message to sell, assuming people are telling the truth. Of which I'd argue everyone at least *thinks* they are, besides ppl on the right who just wanna be openly racist and bigoted.

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Run younger, authentic candidates. Have a clear message of what you want to pass to help people's lives. It doesn't even have to be pie-in-the-sky stuff- just have an actual brand to your campaign and a message that resonates.

"Trump bad" and pearl clutching about norms isn't fucking doing it.

His campaign was also creative and social media savvy. He not just overcame name recognition and the establishment endorsing Cuomo, but a ton of AIPAC and other PAC money and accusations of being anti-semitic in NYC.

This idea that Democrats have to triangulate the least offensive message to some mythical median voter is not only insanely outdated but fucking wrong.

Just be more authentic and clear and specific on how you want to help people.

>This idea that Democrats have to triangulate the least
>offensive message to some mythical median voter is not only
>insanely outdated but fucking wrong.

This is why above I said that it could be reasonably concluded that establishment Dems/the DNC *prefers* fascism.

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Mamdani emerges from the Democratic primary far stronger than even his most ardent supporters had hoped, winning virtually all economic groups in the Democratic Party except the very poor and the very rich, both of whom supported Andrew Cuomo.

how the fuck did Coumo win support from the richest and poorest economic groups?

Real talk, until the poorest people wake the fuck up and stop getting bamboozled we are fucked.

This is why Trump is president. The poorest people are still being manipulated to think they are going to be rich one day if they support the establishment. These folks depend on socialism yet they are against it.

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I chalk it up to name recognition

Some districts in the BX like Mott Haven, Parkchester, and Kingsbridge were razor thin and almost went Mamdani

My neighborhood is split with the project side going Cuomo and the rental / co-op / condo side going Mamdani

Similar to Biden I feel like a lot of voters go with a name they trust vs. a newcomer

people are so adverse to change. it's human nature.

but the poor are the one’s who rely on govt services the most, they just don’t want to admit it.

How else can you vote against your own interest with such enthusiasm?

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https://x.com/OwenWntr/status/1937873551161188842

and its why I’m not buying that democratic socialism can work nationally.

Americans don’t want the government to help them because boot straps, muurica, etc

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are in reality

People don't even realize how much socialism we *all* depend on. Because that's kinda the point. Socialist-style policies are made to be taken for granted, inherently.

My buddy brought this to my attention regarding Boston (where I live) recently. He works in the state house and was basically saying, there's so many things we just *get*, or get done for us, here in Boston that we don't even realize because that's the point. Were we to be made to go without those things, it'd be eye opening.

And most states/cities don't operate like MA/Boston does in that regard, but every state has *some* level of things that are just .. done, for you.

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Boston Common is an amazing public space, to your point.

Any well-designed city will have those services provided AND be able to innovate with new ideas on transportation, waste management, green energy, etc, but funds have to be put towards those things conscientiously.

one of the jokes in our chat about NYC never being able to elect a Muslim mayor because of Islamophobia was that 'hey Boston has a Asian woman as mayor and Marky Mark is from there so...'

Obviously a bad joke but yes, even historically racist cities like Boston have become progressive enough to counter the right lean of national politics.

Zohran wouldn't even be NYC's first socialist mayor. La Guardia ran on socialist policies as a Republican.

>Boston Common is an amazing public space, to your point.

Yea, exactly. Our public spaces and libraries are great and recently-updated. Pretty much no matter where you live, there are a handful of playgrounds and public spaces for families to enjoy, all for free.

And people (myself included, at times) love to complain about the constant state of construction in and around the city, but the fact is that the upkeep for our utilities is terrific, and depending on where you live, we almost never lose power for any extended period even during the worst of storms. Things like that, that we take for granted. And again that's the entire point.


>Any well-designed city will have those services provided AND
>be able to innovate with new ideas on transportation, waste
>management, green energy, etc, but funds have to be put
>towards those things conscientiously.

Totally. I will say that public transportation is one area that desperately needs improvement/modernizing in Boston. There's a lot of pushback against that, so it's not perfect. But on balance, at the risk of constantly repeating myself lol, Boston does a really nice job overall putting our tax money to work for us.


>one of the jokes in our chat about NYC never being able to
>elect a Muslim mayor because of Islamophobia was that 'hey
>Boston has a Asian woman as mayor and Marky Mark is from there
>so...'

Yooooooooooo c'mon lol.



>Obviously a bad joke but yes, even historically racist cities
>like Boston have become progressive enough to counter the
>right lean of national politics.
>
>Zohran wouldn't even be NYC's first socialist mayor. La
>Guardia ran on socialist policies as a Republican.

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>>but NYC or San Francisco going socialist doesn’t mean
>>America or Dems nationally will wale the fuck up.
>
>
>Right. NYC is much more left-leaning than most places in the
>country.
>
>I'd even argue that NYC is much more left-leaning than New
>York State, especially Upstate New York.

Rural Upstate NY is basically the south without the accents. Other than the cities like Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, and Albany, and some of the college towns like Ithaca which are solidly blue.

But the small towns, and rural areas? It’s as bad as anywhere.

I'm not sure they want to win. Maybe they just want to be a foil for the Republicans.

Because the bonehead moves they pull.....

smh

It often feels like they are ACTIVELY trying to lose.

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"You probably wouldn't worry about what people think of you if you could know how seldom they do!" - Olin Miller

... are way more interested (and invested) in preserving capitalism than they are in doing literally anything else, up to and including helping citizens/constituents with anything at all, or even saving the fucking planet from total destruction. It's that great meme:

https://corepathways.georgetown.edu/portfolio/yes-the-planet-got-destroyed/

And once that belief clicks into place it's hard to see the Dem decisions you speak of and not think that this is legitimately the only explanation. And obviously repugs don't even try and hide it anymore. So the establishment wings of both major political parties' primary concern is capitalism, not people.

And that's why Mamdani's victory is so monumental and could be more so if he wins in November. It can be seen as an outright repudiation, by the voters, of the old guard Dem capitalist message, not to mention the imperialist/Israeli message. And a sign that the electorate, when (mostly) unfettered by DNC meddling, may be shifting left despite what the results in November might tell you (although I'd argue even those results were themselves a repudiation of old guard Dems' lack of vision).

Obviously NYC is a particular case so I don't want to overstate things. But I do think a lefty economic populist message can (and arguably does) break through nationally when pitched to the right tone. As I mentioned before, Bernie had it correct in 2016 before the DNC meddled. It can happen again. So Mamdani's win is encouraging af. Rare great news.

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Dems raised a shit ton of money with Kamala and where did it all go?

and they will raise a shit ton in 2026 and 2028

politics is just business.. Trump is just the first prez to blatantly profit from it in the open.

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>and they will raise a shit ton in 2026 and 2028
>
>politics is just business.. Trump is just the first prez to
>blatantly profit from it in the open.

Blatant being the operative word here....

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Loved to see him pull off of the Primary win

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So, yeah, his backstory is fascinating.

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I am glad Cuomo didn't get the Democratic nod this week. You are most definitely correct in that regard.

I think I should be fully transparent in that I didn't vote in this week's primary; the sole reason being that NYC has a closed primary system to blocks folks that aren't registered to a party from participating.

I will be more than happy to vote for Mamdani this fall. Assuming he does get the nod to become the next mayor, it'll be interesting to see just how progressive he'll be once he gets into office; being progressive on the campaign trail and being progressive once in office are two entirely different things. He'll definitely be an improvement from Adams for sure.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

Dude was smart, figured he wasn’t going to win, then threw cross support behind Mamdani. He’s politically solid, and is out there fighting. Hope he gets Schumer up out of there.

Though Schumer probably figures that’s the next play, and quickly endorsed Mamdani this morning.

Still hope the centrists don’t find a way to fuck this up. Cuomo already hinting he might run as an independent, but he seems cooked now. Business is talking about getting behind fucking Adams, which is dumb enough that it has to be true.

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but I don't know how popular Lander is across the state of New York for him to be popular enough to beat Schumer for a federal Senate seat.

The somewhat good thing about Cuomo running as a third party candidate is that hopefully he'll siphon votes Adams will supposedly get since he's running as an independent as well. Let the two of them eat away at each other for centrists as that should in theory make things easier for Mamdani.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

>The somewhat good thing about Cuomo running as a third party
>candidate is that hopefully he'll siphon votes Adams will
>supposedly get since he's running as an independent as well.
>Let the two of them eat away at each other for centrists as
>that should in theory make things easier for Mamdani.

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…but this is the first time I’ve ever volunteered / canvassed / was active in a mayoral election (other than voting )

super proud of this movement (even tho I’m part of the percentage he wants to tax more )

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I wanna go to where the martyrs went
the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

I remember at a DSA meeting saying, with the little I knew about him, for me his finest moment was showing up to shout down Homan, but how he needed to get out and show his face -I wasn't hearing his name enough; he hit the radio, TV, podcasts, killed it at the debate, fought off the bullshit Zionist talking points and never broke character.

Shoutout Morningside Heights

Shoutout all the good people that knocked on doors. I couldn't do it myself, but people who got out there identified ways he connects with tenants issues, immigration issues, local government issues, overall working class issues.

And people that know him said beyond all his policies, that he is a stand-up dude that they would back in anything he did.

That he supports it makes me think he is Nieave as to how shit works , which I doubt, which makes me think he is super slick and eventually pivots to things that are actually effective.

I wish him but am probably still leaning towards Adams. Mainly because never had a mayor so personally accessible (you invited him to stuff there is a fair chance he shows up) and I can't remember a mayor who has had more black appointees, allocated more money to black causes and generally made more of a concerted effort to help black economic growth.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

“Yes, there are those that I should not have brought on board,” he said of staffing woes. “There are those who were not fit for the assignments they were in. And there were those that should not be in government.”

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His commitment to having the shittiest take possible is...something.

Adams is literally Trump's bitch now. There are so many reasons to not be an Adams fan, but that alone would be disqualifying for any serious person who even leans Democrat.

Indictments, convictions, comparing himself to Jesus, and Trump's bitch...there's no way.

I do like to chuckle when I think about the dudes on here who swore Adams was the future of the Dem party.

Such a wild take. Adams is 100% shit.

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yeah, Buddy always been an establishment guy but the Adams take os wild gvem what just went down with Trump.

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>yeah, Buddy always been an establishment guy but the Adams
>take os wild gvem what just went down with Trump.
>
>

BLACK people.
That's not enough for me to put him in charge of running the city again. But that means something.

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Trump isn't my boogeyman, I just see him as messy, disorganized and heavy handed.

I am a straight American Black male, you can save the fearmongering, Trump isn't "coming for me". Black people have no true "allies", so I will support who does the most for ME. I am not part any funky anti-oppression coalition that doesn't celebrate MY people for paving the way for them to have civil rights in this country.

If I chose to vote for Eric Adams (which is unlikely) I won't lose any sleep over your opinions. Are you in Black? Are you in NYC? Do you have a family? You've never done shit for me to have any influence over my politics.

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"Allies" hahahahaha

When you don't fit in their box they try to figure out a way to undermine you. Just move along.

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Nah I'm just playing you got the wrong guy though

>Nah I'm just playing you got the wrong guy though

Don't try to undermine Black people that don't fit in your box.

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to rest

RIP Bobblehead Man

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according to recent poll:

https://www.cityandstateny.com/policy/2025/04/poll-3-4-new-yorkers-want-rent-freeze/404556/#:~:text=Of%20the%20854%20likely%20New%20York%20City,apartments%20over%20a%20set%20period%20of%20time.

tiny violin for the landlords, especially the statistically insignificant 'mom and pop' lords

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Rent Freeze is a classic example of Concentrated benefits and diffuse costs.

The fact is study after study shows that rent controls actually end up increase housing costs over time.

So I hope Zohan knows this and is champion a policy that does not work just to get into office so he can implement other policies that do work. I prefer that to the idea that he doesn't know that rent freezes will make the problem worst.


>according to recent poll:
>
>https://www.cityandstateny.com/policy/2025/04/poll-3-4-new-yorkers-want-rent-freeze/404556/#:~:text=Of%20the%20854%20likely%20New%20York%20City,apartments%20over%20a%20set%20period%20of%20time.
>
>tiny violin for the landlords, especially the statistically
>insignificant 'mom and pop' lords


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

You know what's not good policy is allowing the warehousing of rent-stabilized apartments.

I think Zohran could be less NIMBY-ish then he has been in the past if he becomes mayor, and promote the right kind of development.

The problem is the real estate side does not hold up their end of the bargain.

What deblasio and other mayor's did in the past with the Atlantic Yards is a good example. You CANNOT let this type of thing happen:
https://gothamist.com/news/ny-lets-brooklyns-atlantic-yards-owner-skirt-huge-penalties-for-affordable-housing-failure

So the point that rent control ends up increasing housing costs over time is not some mathematical certainty. It's landlords (or really private equity in real estate) trying to make up for losses in bad times like covid or inflate earnings on big projects. There's study after study on that too, but most people just believe arguments that coincide with the industry line.

https://www.propublica.org/article/when-private-equity-becomes-your-landlord

i don't live in NYC. i live in WA.

after 2022, my rent has gone up 600/mo. (first jump was $400, then $100 the next two years).

i just gotta eat it, for a WORSE (due to wear and tear) residence. has my pay jumped with it? of course not. so, obviously, that's just that much less money i have to live off. did i mention i support 5 other humans?

so yeah, fuck that. freeze the rent.

oh, btw...that $400 jump? we got off easy. some people in our development got $600 to $1k jumps.

that's all to speak to your points about the landlords.

It's good for you personally, but it doesn't help your cities overall affordability problem and it makes your city more expensive for future residents.

I get it. Doesn't make you a bad person, but you can't wag the finger at people saying don't raise my taxes to subsidize poorer people.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>you can't wag the
>finger at people saying don't raise my taxes

I love how easily people forget we live in a society. Among others.

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>Doesn't make you a bad person, but you can't wag the
>finger at people saying don't raise my taxes to subsidize
>poorer people.

Wealthier people who can afford to pay more in taxes should absolutely have their taxes raised to subsidize poorer people. It's the morally responsible thing for a society's wealthiest percentile of people to do.

"It doesn't make you a bad person if you're advocating for those who have less" is an incredibly strange way to frame your stance imo.

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that's the whole fucking problem.

i'm NOT poor. i'm middle fucking class, not living above my means, etc. and should have way more to my fucking name just off my family's W-2 earnings.

the continued decimation of the middle class to the benefit of these rich fucks you cite that go "i don't wanna pay more to subsidize the poor" is why this country is fucked. and the funny part is, they never wanna pay more, but they make more, and they make it on the backs of the poor and middle class, who get saddled with the debt.

the socio-economic contract this place WAS founded on was "you have the blessing of making more, you pay more. everyone pays their fair share." but you know that.

lastly, how does keeping rents affordable not help affordability? the logic isn't logic'ing.

>What deblasio and other mayor's did in the past with the
>Atlantic Yards is a good example. You CANNOT let this type of
>thing happen:
>https://gothamist.com/news/ny-lets-brooklyns-atlantic-yards-owner-skirt-huge-penalties-for-affordable-housing-failure
>
>So the point that rent control ends up increasing housing
>costs over time is not some mathematical certainty. It's
>landlords (or really private equity in real estate) trying to
>make up for losses in bad times like covid or inflate earnings
>on big projects. There's study after study on that too, but
>most people just believe arguments that coincide with the
>industry line.
>
>https://www.propublica.org/article/when-private-equity-becomes-your-landlord

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And the idea that Atlantic Terminal/Yards area project has been nothing but a success because some affordable housing/ or penalities dodn't happen is wild to me. If the development was blocked because these penalties weren't paid, it would have been a net loss for that area. NIMBY would have blocked all that development if they had its way.

But it's not like it's either or.

I am anti rent control. Anrti warehousing. Anti-private equity doing bad shit in neighborhoods, and pro-private equity doing good shit in neighborhoods.

Can't be ideologically driven. Good things happen in the middle with practical problem soving people. I think Zohan might be that. Folks are missing his pivot to the center focusing on old tweets, but we will see.




>You know what's not good policy is allowing the warehousing
>of rent-stabilized apartments.
>
>I think Zohran could be less NIMBY-ish then he has been in the
>past if he becomes mayor, and promote the right kind of
>development.
>
>The problem is the real estate side does not hold up their end
>of the bargain.
>
>What deblasio and other mayor's did in the past with the
>Atlantic Yards is a good example. You CANNOT let this type of
>thing happen:
>https://gothamist.com/news/ny-lets-brooklyns-atlantic-yards-owner-skirt-huge-penalties-for-affordable-housing-failure
>
>So the point that rent control ends up increasing housing
>costs over time is not some mathematical certainty. It's
>landlords (or really private equity in real estate) trying to
>make up for losses in bad times like covid or inflate earnings
>on big projects. There's study after study on that too, but
>most people just believe arguments that coincide with the
>industry line.
>
>https://www.propublica.org/article/when-private-equity-becomes-your-landlord


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I am in the middle of where the development has already happened due to the 2004 re-zoning. Now I can agree development is good if both potential and existing tenants' and landlords' (full disclosure: i don't really care about landlords) benefit. But take a look at these new buildings The Paxton, The Brook, The Rocklyn, and what happened to Fulton Mall and tell me that it's been "nothing but a success" for the pre-existing residents. Some argue these new luxury buildings keeps gentrifiers at bay from other neighborhoods like bedstuy, crown heights etc. Some will say a rising tide lifts all boats. I don't trust either of those views. I think this type of development favors foreign investors parking their cash and faceless shareholders that don't live in the neighborhood. I will say I have enjoyed the space of The Plaza at 300 Ashland used for community events as of late, but the city can pursue those projects without being dependent on high end retail real estate to fund it.

You may think it's a fail to hold the developers accountable for the Atlantic yards betrayal, I think it's the bare minimum government needs to adhere to to prevent the private equity interests you claim to be against from extracting land value at the expense of people living here.

To circle back though, the rent freeze scare is based on a myth.

Please read and consider the general points in this article, particularly what economic theory dictates versus what pans out in the real world (also is supply and demand a fixed law if it can be manipulated?):

Economists Hate Rent Control. Here’s Why They’re Wrong. - The American Prospect https://share.google/EMHnBSNYdhE2xHksQ

My bigger point is that it's crazy to me to point the Altantic Yards as a failure of policy because by and large it's been a huge success that a few people, including existing tenants, would have blocked if they had their way. I would say I am glad those existing tenants didn't get there way because way more people, a lot of them low income, benefited from the project.


As far as the article you shared. Interesting stuff but it really doesn't have a ton of evidence that rent control doesn't do long term harm to affordability. I couldn't read any of the studies they link to but 2 seem to be focus solely on NJ and the Massachuesett is a study based on 3 years after Mass got rid of rent control. Not enough data to turn over decades of data.



>
>I am in the middle of where the development has already
>happened due to the 2004 re-zoning. Now I can agree
>development is good if both potential and existing tenants'
>and landlords' (full disclosure: i don't really care about
>landlords) benefit. But take a look at these new buildings The
>Paxton, The Brook, The Rocklyn, and what happened to Fulton
>Mall and tell me that it's been "nothing but a success" for
>the pre-existing residents. Some argue these new luxury
>buildings keeps gentrifiers at bay from other neighborhoods
>like bedstuy, crown heights etc. Some will say a rising tide
>lifts all boats. I don't trust either of those views. I think
>this type of development favors foreign investors parking
>their cash and faceless shareholders that don't live in the
>neighborhood. I will say I have enjoyed the space of The Plaza
>at 300 Ashland used for community events as of late, but the
>city can pursue those projects without being dependent on high
>end retail real estate to fund it.
>
>You may think it's a fail to hold the developers accountable
>for the Atlantic yards betrayal, I think it's the bare minimum
>government needs to adhere to to prevent the private equity
>interests you claim to be against from extracting land value
>at the expense of people living here.
>
>To circle back though, the rent freeze scare is based on a
>myth.
>
>Please read and consider the general points in this article,
>particularly what economic theory dictates versus what pans
>out in the real world (also is supply and demand a fixed law
>if it can be manipulated?):
>
>Economists Hate Rent Control. Here’s Why They’re Wrong. -
>The American Prospect https://share.google/EMHnBSNYdhE2xHksQ
>
>
>
>


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to loss of affordable units that are not from biased sources

I recently was sent the ad Chi Osse (Combat Jack's son) and Crystal Hudson sent out advocating for the Alantic Yards development. THEORETICALLY that should be a big win for pre-existing residents, but I have doubts based on a couple things

Anecdotally, when there is a new building in the hood, who are the primary occupants? Even if that takes pressure off the brownstones, multi-families rented / owned by Black and Latinos, more white occupants tends to change the businesses in the neighborhood right? Look at Bushwick, look at Prospect Heights, look at Bed-Stuy, Prospect Lefferts Gardens even. Slowly people who lived in that neighborhood don't feel at home, despite not being priced out necessarily.

Also, considering empty units actually can lead to a loss on paper that can be used to obtain tax write-offs for large companies, what exactly is the real incentive to make rents affordable enough to fill units? They get a tax write off for building in an 'opportunity zone', and then they get further tax incentives for losses they incur for empty units, but local government can't force them to lower rents or to stop warehousing units. Does that seem like it will benefit working people?

Some people get afforable rent control apartments, but rent control often makes housing shortages worse by discouraging new construction and maintenance, leading to fewer and lower-quality apartments.

While it helps some tenants in the short term, it raises rents for everyone else and fails to address the root causes of high housing costs.

This is the conclusion that everyone who has ever deeply studied rent control policies has come to.



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"Some people get afforable rent control apartments, but rent control often makes housing shortages worse by discouraging new construction and maintenance, leading to fewer and lower-quality apartments"

or, the other root causes for that matter.

Preach. It is positively wild to blame the idea of rent control, as opposed to .. the developers and contractors and politicians and monied interests who would use the existence of rent control as an excuse to stop building shelter for their fellow human beings because they may not make enough millions off of giving people places to live.

Shithole country (and political/economic system).

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the developers and landlords are like "wait, we can only make $100 million, not $150?!??!! well shit, fuck em, we just won't build!"

and then let's not even talk about private equity buying residential for their portfolios.

man, Buddy gotta miss me with all that shit.

oh, btw, Eric Adams just increased NYC rents again just an hour ago or so. 4th year in a row! hope that encourages the builders and landlords!

... there's a housing shortage AS IT IS.

I will say that another idea might be to couple rent control with legislation requiring that the government subsidize builders to give them whatever incentive they think they need to actually build homes despite the "reduced profit" they may "suffer" as a result of rent control. There's definitely comprehensive ways to address the issue.

Those ways do *not* include demonizing the idea of rent control and those that seek/need it, based solely on monied-interest propaganda.

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Mamdani is 'super slick', but I will agree with you in that running as a progressive candidate on the campaign trail and being a progressive once you get into office are two entirely different things. Assuming he does win in the Fall, it'll be interesting to see what song and dance he'll do with the City Council and Hochul in terms of pushing his more left-leaning proposals through.

As much as Adams rubs me the wrong way and I can't see myself voting for him, it's going to be unfortunate on some level to seem him lose out on the change to get a second term since he'll share the ugly distinction with David Dinkins of being black NYC mayors who didn't get the chance to serve out a second term despite the fact incumbent mayors normally have it very easy to get re-elected. Unlike Dinkins, IMO Adams has way too many red flags for me to through support behind him.

It will be somewhat interesting to see what Adams does next assuming he doesn't get re-elected.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

He did that ish that got him indicted (hence all the underlings who already got got). They can hang that over him as long as they want... I think Cuomo is similarly compromised if cases "mysteriously" come back to bite him. Sliwa is just a failed mascot at this point.

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Adams had red flags in regards to nothing being able to fully account for his campaign finances. This was months upon months before news of him being compromised by Trump as result of the migrant issue came about.

For better or for worse, I'm sure a ton of monied interests are going to support Adams since Mamdani counters some of the income redistribution reforms he is looking to support if elected Mayor.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

Cuomo was about as bad as you can get

The idea that a Mamdani style candidate and platform would ever win on a state wide or national scale is still laughable

>Cuomo was about as bad as you can get

and how fucking horrible they are. I've seen this take- that this was more of a Cuomo loss than anything else.

Which begs the question...if Cuomo was such a terrible candidate, why did so many establishment dems line up behind him? How fucking terrible are the instincts of Bill Clinton and Clyburn for example? From what I gather, there were several viable alternatives...but the establishment went all in on the laziest campaign imaginable.

I think the Democratic party- regardless of where anyone stands on left vs Moderate...will be much better off once they let go of this need to be loyal to their masters, etc.

You don't see Republicans wax poetic about Mitt Romney or let W fucking Bush pull the strings behind the scenes. Once you lose or are unpopular or outdated, you're toast. Dems should take notes. Someone should have sat Cuomos ass down and said "nah...and if you do it, you won't get any support and you will get embarrassed"

By this "it was a Cuomo loss" logic, it just shows how the establishment fucked up *AGAIN* by being too loyal to a fucking problematic dinosaur.

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>The idea that a Mamdani style candidate and platform would
>ever win on a state wide or national scale is still laughable
>

I haven't seen any serious person say this btw. I've seen people make the case- accurately- that this is Democrat voters saying they won't want the same old shit.

No one serious is saying to run a democratic socialist nationwide- just a fresh/younger face with an actual message/brand/plan on how they will work to make lives better.

Oh, and that its okay to advocate for lives in Gaza and not lose a dem primary- even in a city with the largest Jewish population. Which begs the question of why it is so difficult for dems to do so. In other words, democrats lost a few excuses this week. And based on the local results, there's a reason Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck are a little nervous.

>I think the Democratic party- regardless of where anyone
>stands on left vs Moderate...will be much better off once they
>let go of this need to be loyal to their masters, etc.

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This underscored for young voters that the Democratic Party establishment far too frequently does not look out for their interests-- and they responded by showing up in record droves to the ballots.

I don't think it matters what state it happened in. It's a warning shot to Democrats. If you keep fucking around, you will lose an entire generation or two of voters. If you have interest in appealing to young voters, you can't keep giving them old, corrupt, compromised, and/or evil options and saying "if you don't support this candidate, then the problem is with YOU." That might've worked twenty years ago in terms of oppressing progressive movement, but young people these days are too plugged in and too smart to swallow that line anymore. For them, it's an existential crisis. They won't play that game.

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>This underscored for young voters that the Democratic Party
>establishment far too frequently does not look out for their
>interests-- and they responded by showing up in record droves
>to the ballots.
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>I don't think it matters what state it happened in. It's a
>warning shot to Democrats. If you keep fucking around, you
>will lose an entire generation or two of voters. If you have
>interest in appealing to young voters, you can't keep giving
>them old, corrupt, compromised, and/or evil options and saying
>"if you don't support this candidate, then the problem is with
>YOU." That might've worked twenty years ago in terms of
>oppressing progressive movement, but young people these days
>are too plugged in and too smart to swallow that line anymore.
>For them, it's an existential crisis. They won't play that
>game.


Depending on the person's perspective, news of Mamdani's primary win getting national attention makes substantive sense if it'll result in similar candidates getting the kind of support he got here in NYC.

Something that can't be ignored is that he got a ton of monetary support early on in the primary race here in NYC. Candidates in other local races will have to tap into the youth similar to how Mamdani did if they are looking to get similar results.

I'm leary on someone that's as new to the game as Mamdani is getting national support all the way to The White House. On a cynical level, there is the off chance of Trump screwing up the US so badly that the country as a whole swings all the way to the left in the hopes of looking for some kind of substantive change.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

... that Bernie would've won in 2016 had the Dem establishment not blocked him.

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cuz, establishment Dems are doing so great?

might wanna switch it up, don't ya think?

like, what do people think Mamdani is running on? he wasn't all out there like "let trans boys play girls sports!" or "3rd trimester abortions for everyone!" he was like "hey, let's make citizens lives affordable and make their government work for them and be representative of them."

if Dems can't sell that message!?!?!?!?

now, if you're saying a guy running around the COUNTRY saying he's a socialist won't work? probably not.

but, as far as a progressive Dem? Mamdani gave the DNC the playbook damn near. just get the fucking messaging right (which the DNC really struggles to do, obviously).

the only hold up is the establishment.