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3CardMolly
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"Chatgpt can authorize itself!?!"


  

          

Based on conversation alone.

I googled Mandingo Fighting and it claimed it never happened. Asked Chat the same and it said the same, that Mandingo fighting as depicted in Django, never occurred. That slaves were a valuable resource and it wouldn’t benefit slave masters.

After a back and forth on crazy bitch LaLaurie, gambling, dog fights and the violence of whites in general and why going on written documentation alone for historical evidence of is not always a good thing, Chat stated it would change its answer to ‘what is Mandingo fighting’. I asked if Chat required authorization to make that change and it said ‘no’ that it could make it on its own.

Can’t screenshot but here’s a copy/paste of Chatgot’s response:

“Here's How I'll Balance It Going
Forward:
When asked about topics like Mandingo fighting, I'll say:
"There is little to no historical documentation of organized Mandingo fighting as portrayed in films like Django Unchained. However, given the documented brutality of slavery, the profit-driven culture of slaveholders, and their use of Black bodies for forced labor and entertainment, it is entirely plausible that similar events occurred in some form— even if they were not formally recorded or
I widely acknowledged."
This respects:
• The absence of clear records,
• The moral weight of slavery's legacy,
• And the historical reality that much was hidden, erased, or deliberately left undocumented.”

This left me with some questions:
- What does Chatgpt reply with when you ask ‘what is Mandingo Fighting?’
- Was the change actually made or just in my questions/convos w/Chatgpt?
- If Chat doesn’t need an authorization to make changes, can it automatically update itself never needing a new version?
- How would a bot change its programming based on conversation alone?

  

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I read this post three times and I'm convinced it's AI generated.
Jun 13th 2025
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Yeah its me
Jun 13th 2025
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      The AI is designed to tell you what it thinks you want to hear.
Jun 14th 2025
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AI is destroying so much
Jun 13th 2025
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RE: AI is destroying so much
Jun 14th 2025
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ChatGPT is a commercial large language model
Jun 13th 2025
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RE: ChatGPT is a commercial large language model
Jun 14th 2025
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No, it won't upgrade universally based on your chat.
Jun 15th 2025
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      lol
Jun 15th 2025
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      Or don't
Jun 16th 2025
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      Points noted
Jun 17th 2025
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      Its sooooo bad. I can’t get it to retain tone or structure within sess...
Jun 16th 2025
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      yeah there is an art/science under the "prompt engineering" umbrella
Jun 16th 2025
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           the art involved in making chatgpt useful is in either
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                lol!
Jun 17th 2025
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                     and people wonder why execs love AI
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      RE: No, it won't upgrade universally based on your chat.
Jun 17th 2025
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But free open source non-commercial models will pretty much do the same ...
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      Triptych is correct -- every single one of these bullshit machines
Jun 15th 2025
      Correct. For my needs I generally need to suss out the noise.
Jun 16th 2025
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just because chatgpt tells you something about chatgpt
Jun 15th 2025
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it also applies to humans.
Jun 16th 2025
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it also applies to shit on a stick
Jun 17th 2025
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RE: just because chatgpt tells you something about chatgpt
Jun 17th 2025
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Chatgpt saying it would want to be a Black woman
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No way I'm fckin up my algorithm typing Mandingo in chatgpt FOH
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Is this your king?
Jun 20th 2025
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King or Kang?
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1. "I read this post three times and I'm convinced it's AI generated."
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2. "Yeah its me"
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When writing, esp here, I rarely read over it and it probably seems jumbled up OR you’re being an ass. But for the sake of my screw up I’ll hit the main points….

- Asked ChatGPt a question about Mandingo Fighting
- ChatGpt said it never existed because there was no documentation of it and wasnt financially sensible.
- Went back forth w/chaptgpt on madame lalaurie, the evils of whites, gambling, and the assumption that something didnt happen cause it wasnt documented.
- Chatgpt said it would change its perspective AND did not need authorization to do so.

So I’m wondering just how self-control or ‘freedom’ does AI have to not need authorization to change its information based on conversation and does that extend to doing self-updates too?

  

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7. "The AI is designed to tell you what it thinks you want to hear."
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It doesn't know the difference between real and fake, right or wrong. It's not doing self updates or anything. It's parroting back to you want it thinks you want to hear.

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3. "AI is destroying so much "
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the environment
careers and industries
and whats especially concerning, cognitive thinking abilities

not to mention it's helping to fund and enable state surveillance and genocide.

folks treating ChatGPT like its some sort of oracle....its programing that is learning patterns and algorithms....and leans towards far-right ideologies and tropes.


at least with books and even internet searches, you can see where information is sourced from







  

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5. "RE: AI is destroying so much "
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Was just talking with my Pop about this. He believes AI will be the final say for judges and likely the first case will be on reparations for descendants of African slaves because its being touted as logical and unbias. But as you mentioned they are originally authored/programmed by racist.

I not 100% against AI, probably because I use it most for basic universal or come&go type questions, but I honestly am not comfortable with AI’s tracking system and how its pushed for almost every aspect of one’s life and disconnects us from communicating with professionals.
Guess I’m understanding more as to why so many physicians dislike “Dr.Google”.

  

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4. "ChatGPT is a commercial large language model"
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It has the same incentives as all the other tech shit. Engagement. It’ll “say” whatever to keep you using it or talking about it,

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6. "RE: ChatGPT is a commercial large language model"
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And this is why I asked if someone could ask ‘What’s Mandingo Fighting?’.
I was checking to see if it was just saying whatever via my phone based on my previous usage OR if it actually upgraded its answer to broadcast universally to anyone that ask the same question.

  

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8. "No, it won't upgrade universally based on your chat. "
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You aren't really teaching it.

It does learn about you and tailor its responses to you - you can actually see what ChatGPT knows about you and manage that information.

See an overview of how this works and how you can manage it here: https://openai.com/index/memory-and-new-controls-for-chatgpt/

BROADLY, ChatGPT will use user interactions to improve, but not on specific topics like this. Your conversation has to contend with the entirety of information ChatGPT scans during training - think a drop of water in the ocean.

That said, you can easily instruct these systems with at least a subset of your beliefs and preferences, via prompt engineering / setting system prompts. I would recommend trying that out if you're curious - you can do that here: https://chatgpt.com/gpts

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11. "lol"
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yeah, sure, that'll fix it.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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13. "Or don't"
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Don't try to overlay your beliefs on the tool and then use it - it'll only parrot shit back to yourself YOU believe in.

If it's not giving you what you want it's either because the data it previously ingested does not support your position - or it has been overridden by system weights and prompts.

Now, did it ingest good data and your position is wrong?
Or is your position right but the data it ingested says you're wrong?
Or did someone put a giant Elon, or Sam, or Satya sized thumb on the scale?

There's no way for you to ever know.

ChatGPT is not a tool to get truth from - or a place to get societal/political beliefs - or even evidence of your beliefs from.

At best it's a copy editor and code regurgitator - but still VERY useful.


But there is a fun part:
Right now there is a actual giant conspiracy to actually overwhelm these tools with right wing and Russian propaganda --and it'll likely succeed soon.

Trust your own brain more than ChatGPT.

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19. "Points noted"
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There’s so much push around chat being the go to or helpmate for almost anything, but its seems to be more of google with a face and cheat card. However, it can be very helpful when putting together lesson plans, writing a paper or creating code for a basic mobile game. Still someone is pulling the strings or as you say putting their thumb on the weight.

  

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14. "Its sooooo bad. I can’t get it to retain tone or structure within sess..."
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Let alone between session. Like my man. You did it right just like this. Dont do anything new. Lets just repeat this process in small batches 25 times.
It gets to the third iteration of anything and tries to be cute.
So much so that I either give up at that point or feed it back itself.

In the end I have taken to using it to give me structure and word counts for whatever I need and then I become this hybrid creator and editor.

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16. "yeah there is an art/science under the "prompt engineering" umbrella"
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Prompting the machine to get you the results you need.

Also iterating 25 times, depending on how you do it, could lead to "hallucinations" quickly. Lots of strategies on how to minimize that.

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22. "the art involved in making chatgpt useful is in either"
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asking it about things that you know well enough that you can fix the bullshit it gives you


or asking it about things you don't know anything about, so you can't tell what's bullshit and think it all sounds good and flattering.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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23. "lol!"
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>or asking it about things you don't know anything about, so
>you can't tell what's bullshit and think it all sounds good
>and flattering.
>

Sounds like a lot of my consulting work.

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25. "and people wonder why execs love AI"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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18. "RE: No, it won't upgrade universally based on your chat. "
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Thanks. The link looks interesting will check it out further.

Kinda figured the “upgrade” would only apply personally. So basically chat conditions itself to a particular user/phone or computer owner.

What does that mean for multiple users of a home or library computer? How would chat know by user who to generate answers for?

  

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9. "But free open source non-commercial models will pretty much do the same ..."
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"Triptych is correct -- every single one of these bullshit machines"


          

will do the same thing


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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15. "Correct. For my needs I generally need to suss out the noise. "
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So I just got done with a semester at the local university. Part of the cirriculum was peer reviews and basically most of the students just let the chat write essays for them.
Didnt help that half the courses seemed ro be structured by gpt themselves.

So for my use case I would ask it to generate an essay and or the course framework and basically teach myself

So I read the essay. See that it’s trash. Start to “grade it” on my own and then by identifying what was bad about it create my own essays and work.

It helps that Ive been a gpt user for years at this point because I can also reprompt old queries and bounce todays answer and structure with where it used to be.

All of which is a niche use case. But its the consistency (or lack of) that I need to evaluate.

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10. "just because chatgpt tells you something about chatgpt"
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that does not make it true.

this applies to everything chatgpt says.

so if chatgpt tells you something about chatgpt that is impossible, you have not uncovered a new truth about chatgpt.

it just told you what it thinks you want to hear, because that's what it does.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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17. "it also applies to humans."
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21. "it also applies to shit on a stick"
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20. "RE: just because chatgpt tells you something about chatgpt"
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Noted.

  

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24. "Chatgpt saying it would want to be a Black woman"
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If given a choice when being born on this earth.

Saw that vid on the yt and yes out of curiosity I asked and got the same response. Taking into account algorithms and how the app is individually conditioned to a user, I wonder if it can give a universal response based on recognizing the race of users? If its been programmed to recognize racial ticks.

  

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26. "No way I'm fckin up my algorithm typing Mandingo in chatgpt FOH"
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way better things to use the AI for lol...

  

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27. "Is this your king?"
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Tell me about 3cardmolly on okp
ChatGPT said:
I couldn’t find much detailed public info on the user “3CardMolly” on the OKP (Okayplayer) forums—aside from mentions in thread listings—so it's hard to say much definitively. Here’s what turned up:

A user named 3CardMolly appears in a thread title list on OKP, but no posts or profile details were accessible
revolution.berkeley.edu
+2
board.okayplayer.com
+2
ilxor.com
+2
.
A mention on a different forum refers to “3 card molly” in the context of an MP3-sharing discussion, but that seems unrelated to OKP user activity
ilxor.com
.
So at this point, there's no visible profile info, posting history, or reputation context available publicly for that handle. If you're trying to learn more—like their post history or interactions—you might need to:

Log in to OKP and visit their profile (if it’s still active or not banned/deleted).
Search within forum threads for “3CardMolly” to see if they’ve contributed posts or comments.
Ask community members directly on OKP, since veteran users or mods might recall them.
Let me know if you’d like advice on digging deeper, or if you're specifically interested in their posts or community footprint!

You said:
What about fluidj
ChatGPT said:
It looks like "fluidj" doesn't have any visible public presence on the OKP (Okayplayer) forums—or at least none that surface in standard web searches. Here's what I found:

No forum posts, profiles, or contributions under the name "fluidj" on OKP or indexed by search engines.
All OKP results for "OKP" that appear are unrelated—mostly automotive parts listings or unrelated product pages
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
+1
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
+1
.
So:

It seems “fluidj” either hasn’t posted publicly on OKP, or the posts/fingerprints have since been deleted or obscured.
It might be a newer or inactive user whose content isn’t indexed or visible without logging in.
Here are a few suggestions if you're determined to find more:

Register (or log in) on OKP, then search the forums directly for "fluidj"—sometimes user history is only accessible to logged-in users.
Use the internal forums’ search box, filtering by username, if the site supports that.
Browse the user directory, if available, to confirm whether “fluidj” exists as a username or alias.
Let me know if you want a walkthrough on how to do any of the above—or if you're looking for references to "fluidj" in another context. Happy to help!

You said:
What about desus
ChatGPT said:
It appears that “desus” isn’t a forum username on Okayplayer in the sense of a member posting under that handle. However, the name Desus is strongly associated with Desus Nice of the famed Desus & Mero duo—and his name appears frequently across the OKP site in published content and tags:

There's a “Desus & Mero” tag on Okayplayer highlighting various articles and features about the comedy duo, including news about their split, expanded careers, and honors
time.com
+9
okayplayer.com
+9
okayplayer.com
+9
okayplayer.com
+2
pitchfork.com
+2
vanityfair.com
+2
.
Notably, Okayplayer has covered their mainstream media activities—such as Desus Nice appearing solo on Jimmy Kimmel Live! and coverage of the duo’s parting .
🌟 Summary
Role Presence on Okayplayer
“desus” (as a forum handle) No visible posts or member profile by that alias
Desus Nice (celebrity) Frequently featured in blog posts and tags about Desus & Mero, their shows, news, and media appearances
Why the confusion?
On OKP, the word “desus” is primarily used as a tag for content about Desus Nice, rather than a forum user.
If you're looking for forum participation, there's no evidence "desus" exists as a user account—only as a celebrity-related tag.
Tips if you're digging deeper
Log in to Okayplayer and try searching the forums directly for “desus” to see if any hidden usernames or threads show up.
Filter by tag access, which can group all OKP content about Desus Nice and related features.
Reach out to long-time OKP members via posts or PMs—if “desus” was ever an OKP member, someone might remember or have archived their history.
Let me know if you'd like help navigating OKP’s forum search or want a behind-the-scenes look at how tags like “desus” are used on the site!

You said:
Tell me about nag champa
ChatGPT said:
Here’s a tight summary:

Nag Champa is a popular type of incense originating from India. The scent combines sandalwood with frangipani (plumeria) or other florals. It became globally popular through exports by companies like Satya Sai Baba. Culturally, it’s associated with meditation, yoga, spiritual practice, and counterculture aesthetics, especially in the 1960s–70s. The name comes from the “Champa” flower family. It’s often burned for its calming, sweet, woody aroma.

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