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spades
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"Poll question: How do we feel about Jack & Jill?"
Mon Jun-09-25 02:44 PM by spades

  

          

*ducks*

I know, I know, but I worry about my little guy and his advancement, and if this could help.....

Is this just some leftover respectability politics, talented tenth BS? Or is there something there?

What say the tribe?

Poll result (9 votes)
Outdated (1 votes)Vote
Still worthwhile (2 votes)Vote
Nah (6 votes)Vote

  

  

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Always felt like some bullshit
Jun 09th 2025
1
It does
Jun 09th 2025
6
      oh it's ALL about you though...trust.....
Jun 09th 2025
11
           lol, well then it's a moot point because....
Jun 11th 2025
23
Don't care one way or the other. I guess it is not my social class.
Jun 09th 2025
2
i think you only need to know someone to vouch for you
Jun 09th 2025
3
One of the great things about the African diaspora is that there are so ...
Jun 09th 2025
4
This is where I'm at.
Jun 09th 2025
5
      If I had a little one, I might care more.
Jun 09th 2025
8
All the people I know in Jack & Jill are cool.
Jun 09th 2025
7
My low class black *ss has been suspicious since hearing about it
Jun 09th 2025
9
um...
Jun 10th 2025
19
      If I may expound a bit more
Jun 10th 2025
20
they can keep they asses up that hill....
Jun 09th 2025
10
Real talk, I had to google to remember why I felt how I felt besides
Jun 09th 2025
12
never knew too much about it growing up but i thk some friends maybe
Jun 09th 2025
13
Never even heard of it until this post
Jun 10th 2025
14
Nah
Jun 10th 2025
15
Joined like last month.
Jun 10th 2025
16
RE: Joined like last month.
Jun 10th 2025
17
OKP's reaction to Jack & Jill shows how we are cooked
Jun 10th 2025
22
      nah
Jun 11th 2025
24
           Black folk have various opinions on J&J.. we are DOOMED
Jun 11th 2025
25
                You were the first to point out you don't KNOW anything. Be quiet.
Jun 11th 2025
26
                     a very loud and very wrong response
Jun 11th 2025
27
An Answer and a Question:
Jun 10th 2025
18
shit corny af
Jun 10th 2025
21
groups like that scream we black and not niggas.
Jun 11th 2025
28

legsdiamond
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1. "Always felt like some bullshit"
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where the parents are some bitch ass niggas.. lol

seriously, while it may have some value I get the feeling the parents are some stank asses who judge anyone who isn’t cut from the same cloth

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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6. "It does"
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and I'm SURE my ass ain't gon fit the bill. BUT, maybe he could.

iono...

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FLUIDJ
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11. "oh it's ALL about you though...trust....."
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"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

  

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spades
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23. "lol, well then it's a moot point because...."
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It ain't me. No family name, no real money, no pedigree.

All I got is disposable income. lol

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SuiteLady
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2. "Don't care one way or the other. I guess it is not my social class."
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When it comes to my parents - they were not part of that class. I guess I could be part of that class now with my income level and education, but don't you have to be from money to be a part of it - not just have money.

Either way I don't care.

♥ Inescapably Me ♥

"Love is never any better than the lover" Toni Morrison (The Bluest Eye)

  

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3. "i think you only need to know someone to vouch for you"
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--
Sometimes you have to look reality in the face and say 'No!'
-Ben (Reaper)

If you need any help, don't. Hesitate to ask.

  

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SuiteLady
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4. "One of the great things about the African diaspora is that there are so ..."
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Mon Jun-09-25 04:09 PM by SuiteLady

  

          

many worthwhile things to choose to give a damn about. Personally, my answer to this question is "I don't care one way or the other."

♥ Inescapably Me ♥

"Love is never any better than the lover" Toni Morrison (The Bluest Eye)

  

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5. "This is where I'm at."
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I guess I qualify, but I'm not from money. I just think about how hard I've worked to get where I am and frankly, I've seen some BLOW past me based on connections, etc.

I wonder if my little dude could have it easier than I did.....

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SuiteLady
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8. "If I had a little one, I might care more."
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♥ Inescapably Me ♥

"Love is never any better than the lover" Toni Morrison (The Bluest Eye)

  

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The Bobblehead Man
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7. "All the people I know in Jack & Jill are cool. "
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They are not regular everyday people but they are good people. I had the same preconceived notions as everyone else, but my experiences don't align with that. The extracurricular activities for the young people are def a thumbs up.

extreme pressure, along with high temperature, is crucial for the formation of diamonds

  

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9. "My low class black *ss has been suspicious since hearing about it"
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That said I would think it comes along with great perks and may not create a Black bourgeois individual that doesn’t care about the hood.

I’m also not a parent. I also feel disconnected from J&J, Boule, Linx, Divine 9, etc.

I do believe in the ideal leaders coming from the soil but that may be due to my conditioning.

As an aside, the episode the Bernie Mac show did about J&J was interesting

  

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19. "um..."
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>That said I would think it comes along with great perks and
>may not create a Black bourgeois individual that doesn’t
>care about the hood


it actually does. that's the definition of exclusivity. you can't claim to care about something you devalue and exclude

d


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"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly

  

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20. "If I may expound a bit more"
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I think that J&J doesn’t guarantee a child will grow to be an elitist adult and he or she can still enjoy the benefits of the organization

Similarly, MLK Jr. was a member of the Boule but isn’t generally thought to be an elitist. I acknowledge that may not indicate his actual mindset.

Although you may be right and although I feel comfortable with such a stance as yours as I have a natural aversion to organizations that maintain class hierarchy. It may be appropriate to not throw the baby out with the bath water.

  

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10. "they can keep they asses up that hill...."
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12. "Real talk, I had to google to remember why I felt how I felt besides"
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all the punk ass folks that where in it back in my days of youth....

highlights from the Membership Page:

*We encourage interested mothers to make contact with Jack and Jill members in their local communities to learn about specific membership guidelines and procedures. If you are unfamiliar with any current members of your local chapter you may choose to network with others in your community to gain contact with a chapter member.

*Legacy status is granted to each child (male or female) who graduates from a Jack and Jill Chapter and whose mother is a member in good standing at the time of the child’s graduation from the chapter.

Them two things right there tell me all I needed to know....
With that said, I wonder how I'd react if we were invited??
We not a part of any social circles....so very slim chance I'm sure....but there IS a couple I suspect is part of the cult based on how they carry themselves....

"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

  

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13. "never knew too much about it growing up but i thk some friends maybe"
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were members. ppl def have some strong feelings up in here tho lol

  

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14. "Never even heard of it until this post"
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I'm not a parent so maybe that's why

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15. "Nah"
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Because of the paper bag test.

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16. "Joined like last month. "
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I had resisted it for years and told my wife not to do it because it's a mother's org and she has no bandwidth to take on new things and she is already doing too much but she was being harrassed by friends to join.

I think the main reason to do it these days if the kids go to white schools and you want to make sure they associate and hang out with other black kids.

My boys have plenty of black friends at there school, but I got particularly concerned that they were not around enough black girls there age. The J&J teens all talk a lot about the teen summit where they take a bunch them for a conference and spend a few days at a hotel and I think it's a good way to expose them to Black girls they could be into. Like Dr Umar says, "Black Queens Forever..."




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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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17. "RE: Joined like last month. "
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>I had resisted it for years and told my wife not to do it
>because it's a mother's org and she has no bandwidth to take
>on new things and she is already doing too much but she was
>being harrassed by friends to join.

Yeah.... I didn't think about that. It's probably a no-go on that alone.... :/
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>I think the main reason to do it these days if the kids go to
>white schools and you want to make sure they associate and
>hang out with other black kids.

This is EXACTLY why I want us to join.
>
>My boys have plenty of black friends at there school, but I
>got particularly concerned that they were not around enough
>black girls there age. The J&J teens all talk a lot about the
>teen summit where they take a bunch them for a conference and
>spend a few days at a hotel and I think it's a good way to
>expose them to Black girls they could be into. Like Dr Umar
>says, "Black Queens Forever..."

In a different world MAYBE it could work, but I can tell this isn't going to be "it" for us. Oh well....
>
>
>
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>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

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22. "OKP's reaction to Jack & Jill shows how we are cooked"
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extreme pressure, along with high temperature, is crucial for the formation of diamonds

  

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24. "nah"
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not everything is for everybody, and as a group we're pretty fucking awesome, like empirically.

We good.

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25. "Black folk have various opinions on J&J.. we are DOOMED"
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man be trying to stir the pot something serious with these hot takes

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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26. "You were the first to point out you don't KNOW anything. Be quiet."
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You don't get paid to fuss, you don't have any info to share.
Mute yourself on this one chief.

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27. "a very loud and very wrong response"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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18. "An Answer and a Question:"
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Answer: COMPLETE FAKE ASS RESPECTABILITY POLITICS / ELITIST BLACK EXCELLENCE FUCKERY

Question:

>I know, I know, but I worry about my little guy and his
>advancement, and if this could help.....

What do you mean by "his advancement"? what does that mean to you specifically?


d

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21. "shit corny af"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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28. "groups like that scream we black and not niggas. "
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just seems like a way to make people feel above others.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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