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Even though it positively impacted you, do you think it hurt Joe politically, specifically with no college education voters?
>but I still wanted him removed after that first debate.
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>I only liked Biden because he beat Trump. He was never my
>first option and I was a bit surprised he beat Trump.
Yeah, that's how I remember it. Which is why it was a little odd to see you go hard for him (and her) since.
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>and lets be real, no one on here screamed Biden had to go
>after his SOTU speech. That decline was fast as fuck.
The polls showed a large majority of *Democrats* wanted a different candidate 2 years ago.
I don't know if I was screaming it, but I was at least very worried about that sign.
Ive had personal experience with dementia. Its awful. And one of the awful things is the person can seem like themselves one day and a different person the next. And if they are fighting a cold or something like that, its worse. Which is why I believe he DID have a cold on debate night...and that contributed to him looking so bad.
But honestly it wasn't about that. He was unpopular and needed to step aside. Dementia or no dementia.
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>The Walz thing though? You can only use the weird angle so
>many times and once they ask about combat service and rankings
>you can't keep screaming weird. They easily knocked him off
>his game.
Maybe, but that isn't the only odd thing about it. He did some really cool shit with a slim majority in Minnesota and the campaign...just didn't run on it.
Instead they ran on Cheney endorsements and lethal military etc.
She ran the same campaign Hillary did, hell even more to the right.
The consultants, her bro in law, etc talked her into running a shitty campaign.
That + Democrats need to be polite and respect norms (like not running away from your party's incumbent) and here we are.
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>Why do you think Shapiro couldn't deliver PA? I think he
>could've easily carried PA but it wouldn't help in Wisconsin
>or Michigan so I get the Walz pick.. but he was a dud just
>like Tim Kaine.
Same reason dem senators won in states she lost- it was about the top of the ticket and the campaign refusing to put space between what she would do and what Biden had done.
I've said it a million times- the only reason she was the candidate was because Joe Biden was historically unpopular.
To not have a case on how you'd be DIFFERENT is literally insane.
Lookup when is the last time a VP candidate helped deliver their home swing state. Its just not as important as you're making it.
Had he been the VP candidate he would have campaigned *less* in PA for her because he'd be on the road, too.
Like you said, even if that somehow delivers PA she does worse in other areas and loses anyway.
I'll admit, I also get irritated at his Obama impression. Seems...inauthentic to me.
Oh, and he has skeletons in his closet on the IDF and his time as AG- including covering up sexual harassment I believe.
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>but I also wonder if Kamala didn't run with established Dems
>because they knew internal polling was ugly and they risked
>losing. Bab Casey even ran from her in PA.
It wasn't just internal polling. The public polls were looking bad too, its just our side convinced ourselves they weren't real.
She should have ran away from Biden.
"President Biden accomplished a lot of great things, such as X, y, and z. But a Harris administration will differ in that we will...."
They didn't even try.
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