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sevencents
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"RIP Marcellus Williams"


          


https://x.com/EyeonPalestine/status/1838907360661708848

  

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i still can't believe this was allowed to happen.
Sep 25th 2024
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Far right republicans responsible of course
Sep 25th 2024
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ can never be said enough.
Sep 25th 2024
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i hope karma hits these people HARD.
Sep 25th 2024
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both sides sure do looooooooove the PoPo
Sep 25th 2024
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also....
Sep 25th 2024
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      Yikes. Not great.
Sep 25th 2024
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      I wish both sidesers….
Sep 25th 2024
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           sure a venn diagram
Sep 25th 2024
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                LeBron James and Bismack Biyombo both play basketball
Sep 25th 2024
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                *slow clap to standing ovation*
Sep 25th 2024
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                LOLOLOL
Sep 26th 2024
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                both sides are exactly the same
Sep 26th 2024
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                Nah
Sep 26th 2024
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                     ^ a million other things like this, too. They are not the same.
Sep 26th 2024
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                          y'all make some compelling points
Sep 26th 2024
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                               You want us to make a list for you ?
Sep 26th 2024
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                                    don't need a list...a single point will suffice
Sep 26th 2024
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                                         Project 2025
Sep 26th 2024
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                                              Thank you
Sep 28th 2024
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                                                   I honestly apologize for going so hard @ you.
Sep 30th 2024
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                                                   appreciate the apology
Oct 01st 2024
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                                                        nvm
Oct 01st 2024
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                                                   does it matter enough for you to bring it up outside of election years?
Sep 30th 2024
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                                                   yup
Oct 01st 2024
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                                                   Meh
Sep 30th 2024
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                                                        It is.
Sep 30th 2024
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                                                             Exactly
Sep 30th 2024
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yep!
Sep 25th 2024
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PROMO
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1. "i still can't believe this was allowed to happen."
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like, that's probably naive of me, but when you have the prosecutors like, "nah," the victims like "nah,: etc.?

and the powers that be were just like "fuck y'all."

infuriating.

  

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2. "Far right republicans responsible of course "
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Despicable and blatantly evil people.

Truly blows my mind when I see some “booooth sides” bullshit in 2024.

  

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3. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ can never be said enough."
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>Despicable and blatantly evil people.
>
>Truly blows my mind when I see some “booooth sides”
>bullshit in 2024.

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4. "i hope karma hits these people HARD."
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5. "both sides sure do looooooooove the PoPo "
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if one side of the duopoly was calling for allocating police funding to social services or actually holding police accountable, I could understand pointing fingers at one side of the duopoly coin to blame.

but let's be real...Biden is the author of the Crime Bill which has helped put thousands of innocent and non-violent offenders in prison and death row. He used his state of the union speech to say 'fund fund fund the police'. Harris' record as DA in CA is also deeply problematic, and she's knowingly kept innocent people locked up and past their release.

so yeah, F*ck MAGA....and the blatant evil policies of the right...but lets not ignore that blue team looooooooooves the police and law enforcement nearly just as much.

NY is a blue state...we got a dem Gov and Dem mayor of NYC....and there has been no accountability for the mass-shooting by NYPD on the subway for a 2.90 fare that left a bystander brain dead...the mayor praised the police for their 'professionalism'

so who supports continuing to give billions to police departments record budgets and doesn't push any substantial accountability to our justice system?

that's right.....'boooooooth sides' 🤯

but they aren't the same.

Far right republicans are blatantly evil.
neo-liberal democrats are just subtly evil.


  

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6. "also...."
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Democrats removed their party's opposition to the death penalty from their platform's website last month....they also removed their opposition to torture....it was reported on, but seemed to get lost in the shuffle...like I said, they're more subtle.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/democrats-scrub-death-penalty-campaign-platform_n_66c67a0de4b0b9c7b360296b

one of Marcellis William's last poems was dedicated to the children of Palestine and their resiliance....a genocide that Biden/Harris are 100% complicit in.

so if we're gonna talk about evil folks and karma, let's be real about it....otherwise we gotta be honest that morality and values has just become a team sport of Red vs Blue.

  

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7. "Yikes. Not great."
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9. "I wish both sidesers…."
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would actually scrutinize both sides.

And then compare. Maybe a Venn Diagram or list of respective pros and cons.

  

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10. "sure a venn diagram"
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it would be looking quite purple with all that red and blue overlap on issues like....

which party has unwavering support for police
which party wants to build more prisons
which party enforces harsher immigration laws and increased deportations
which party wants the US to have the most lethal military in the world
which party doesn't want it's citizens to have universal health care
which party supports and enables genocides
which party isn't opposed to torture
which party wants to dispute and undermine presidential election results when it doesn't fit their own narrative or interests
which party has unyielding support for Israel and is opposed to sanctions or suspending arms sales
which party wants you to blame the other side (and only the other side) for all of the problems of the world


It's pretty easy to scrutinize both sides when you have principled issues with imperialism, capitalism and the status quo.

I do see the far-right and Trump as more callous and evil....but when both are supporting and normalizing a police state and funding genocides....splitting hairs of 'lesser of the two evils' becomes quite trivial.




  

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11. "LeBron James and Bismack Biyombo both play basketball "
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so same thing, really. LeBron even missed some shots and traveled, so he sucks just as bad tbh.

  

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12. "*slow clap to standing ovation*"
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13. "LOLOLOL"
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14. "both sides are exactly the same"
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except all of the dem judges ruled against the execution and all of the right wing judges voted for it.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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15. "Nah"
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"splitting hairs of 'lesser of the two evils' becomes quite trivial."


It's not trivial


https://www.propublica.org/article/inside-trump-and-barrs-last-minute-killing-spree

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16. "^ a million other things like this, too. They are not the same."
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>"splitting hairs of 'lesser of the two evils' becomes quite
>trivial."
>
>
>It's not trivial
>
>
>https://www.propublica.org/article/inside-trump-and-barrs-last-minute-killing-spree

It's so fucking far from trivial. Anyone who suggests otherwise should be tarred and feathered, and never taken seriously in any discussion ever again.

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17. "y'all make some compelling points"
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good examples to illustrate your argument.


  

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18. "You want us to make a list for you ?"
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You want that in alphabetical order ?

You fucking clown. All this information proving this objective reality is out there, in the open. It's very blatant and obvious. If you haven't realized by now that the parties aren't at all the same, no amount of effort on our part will convince your dumb ass. Good luck to you.

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19. "don't need a list...a single point will suffice "
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one in which a dumb ass clown like myself can understand.

i made a whole list of policies both parties fully support, I'm down to be challenged, but maybe it's easier to be dismissive and just call me a dumb ass or say that folks who think differently should be tarred and feathered....than to acknowledge actual policy or engage in a conversation.




  

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20. "Project 2025"
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Thu Sep-26-24 02:00 PM by Brew

          

One party supports it, the other doesn't

One party backs trump/fascism, the other doesn't

One party at least flirts with police reform, the other doesn't

One party is anti-abortion, the other isn't

One party supports LGBTQ+ rights and freedoms, the other doesn't

One party supports gun control measures, the other doesn't

One party, at least partially, supports campaign finance reform, the other doesn't

One party, at least partially, supports doing away with gerrymandering, the other doesn't

One party and its followers supports J6 defendants and denies the horrors of that day and what led to it/from it, the other doesn't

One party stole the supreme court, the other didn't

One party supports taxing the rich and taxing corporations, the other doesn't

One party supports unions, raising the minimum wage, empowering workers, the other does the opposite of all of that

One party understands that climate change is real, the other doesn't

One party believes in science, the other doesn't

One party supports government regulatory bodies, the other strips away regulations on big business such that the 2008 crash happened, Boeing planes are falling apart in midair, and the housing market is fucking insane, etc. etc. etc.

One party calls for the resignation of its cancerous party members, the other declined to impeach trump and barely even called for George Santos to step down til it was untenable

One party has the entire white supremacist movement under its umbrella and is perfectly content to continue pandering to them, the other doesn't and isn't. And one party denounces white supremacists, the other doesn't

Etc. etc. etc. etc. All of this is in addition to the "points" two other people already made. The parties are not the same. And it's pretty pathetic that you and others can't see that. All of the above is just off the cuff, 30,000 foot high level shit (much like your generalized list, for the record). The more granular you get, the worse it gets.

They are not the same. They are not the same. And fuck outta here with "PeOpLe WhO tHiNk DiFfErEnTlY ..." you're not thinking at all. You're ignoring what's right in front of all of our faces and spewing false equivalencies because ... reasons ? I couldn't even begin to guess. Dumbfuck ass thoughtless ass "logic" if you can even call it that.

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21. "Thank you"
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appreciate you listing some policy differences rather than just resorting to insults.

you still feel the need to question my lack of thinking or to call me pathetic for ignoring things right in front of my face...when I see a lot on your list that somehow ignores many issues that have direct impact.

I get that the plight of Palestinian and Lebanese folks may not be all that popular here, but for some, it matters deeply and personally ....so perhaps take that into consideration when you want to say that I'm 'ignoring' things or calling folks pathetic....especially if you're trying to make an argument that democrats have more empathy.

and I never once said they are the same....just that they are both supporting and normalizing very problematic and destructive agendas.

perhaps a result when we've normalized that the 'lesser of two evils' is the best option every cycle...the bar gets lower and lower.

it seems to be taking critical thinking and empathy down with it.







  

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22. "I honestly apologize for going so hard @ you."
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>appreciate you listing some policy differences rather than
>just resorting to insults.

I just can't fathom how anyone living in the same reality I have for the past 20+ years can still say stuff like "both sides are just as bad" (I know that wasn't your exact quote, but) without diving deeper, is all. And I get fired up everytime I see anything even hinting at that opinion hah.


>you still feel the need to question my lack of thinking or to
>call me pathetic for ignoring things right in front of my
>face...when I see a lot on your list that somehow ignores many
>issues that have direct impact.
>
>I get that the plight of Palestinian and Lebanese folks may
>not be all that popular here, but for some, it matters deeply
>and personally ....so perhaps take that into consideration
>when you want to say that I'm 'ignoring' things or calling
>folks pathetic....especially if you're trying to make an
>argument that democrats have more empathy.

You may not have seen me in previous posts, but I have been one of the most ardent defenders of Palestinians and Muslims more generally not feeling comfortable voting for either party. Their perspective is one I can understand, when it comes to Democrats.

But that doesn't mean both parties are the same, in the big picture. There is certainly a lot of overlap, tho.


>and I never once said they are the same....just that they are
>both supporting and normalizing very problematic and
>destructive agendas.
>
>perhaps a result when we've normalized that the 'lesser of two
>evils' is the best option every cycle...the bar gets lower and
>lower.
>
>it seems to be taking critical thinking and empathy down with
>it.

That's fair. I'm not a Democrat. But, especially now, there's a clear choice no matter what perspective you happen to be coming from (unless you're in the 1%).

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27. "appreciate the apology"
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doesn't bother me if you're gonna go after me...you don't know me, I don't know you.

I'm just pointing out that it's a non-starter for any kind of meaningful debate or exchange if the first impulse is to be dismissive of someone without speaking on any of their points or bringing up counter-points.

by deflecting and dismissing someone's intelligence is kinda what Don and his MAGA crew to be honest....especially when you're argument is to demonstrate the differences between blue and red ideology and principals...jus sayin.

There is a great quote by the late Michael Brooks...."Be ruthless with systems, be kind to people."


you get fired up when you hear opinions that don't align with your own? word....you do you.

I get fired up and angered from seeing the needless death and destruction from a US-backed and funded 12-month genocide campaign, seeing our public health disolve to individualism and eugencis as Biden falsely declared Covid 'over', and seeing and reading of police continuing to abuse their powers, killing and beating on people while protecting the business class and special interests while getting record budgets at the expense of public services.

to each their own I guess.

I'd suggest next time someone's opinion gets you fired up..take a pause and breath...resist the urge to go attack someone's intelligence or integrity when they are being critical of imperialist and oppressive systems.




  

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29. "nvm"
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23. "does it matter enough for you to bring it up outside of election years?"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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28. "yup"
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all day.
every day.

it's possible to be vehemently anti-war, anti-cop no matter who is president or if it's an election cycle.

not sure if you're aiming at some sorta gotcha question, or if having consistent values is an abstract concept for you.

  

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24. "Meh"
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>and I never once said they are the same....just that they are
>both supporting and normalizing very problematic and
>destructive agendas.

That's an indirect way of saying they are the same.

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25. "It is."
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And to be fair, I see the value in, and fully engage in, harsh criticism of Democrats. But there should be absolutely no equivocating about what the more dangerous party is and has been for a long long long time. That's why I get so fired up when I see people doing that. It's disingenuous and lazy, at best.

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26. "Exactly"
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>And to be fair, I see the value in, and fully engage in,
>harsh criticism of Democrats. But there should be absolutely
>no equivocating about what the more dangerous party is and has
>been for a long long long time. That's why I get so fired up
>when I see people doing that. It's disingenuous and lazy, at
>best.


^^^^^^^ I agree

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8. "yep!"
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>Despicable and blatantly evil people.
>
>Truly blows my mind when I see some “booooth sides”
>bullshit in 2024.
>
>

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