2. "Just heard about this, refuse to watch" In response to Reply # 0
Unless the cop is lock away in gen pop and the aryans leave him open for all others to shank etc and its caught on vid for the cops family and world to see, justice wont be served.
3. "Wife showed me this last nite. Absolutely sickening behavior." In response to Reply # 0
These psychopaths are always, always, chomping at the bit to murder someone of color in cold blood and it's fucking disgusting. The way they responded to their murder after the fact is so telling. Barely a soul in either of those pigs.
5. "It's insane. This can't be stressed enough." In response to Reply # 4 Tue Jul-23-24 09:28 AM by Brew
>Wild and maddening dude was that stressed out and frazzled to think an old woman with a pot of hot water posed as a threat to him.
This man knowingly, intentionally, shot a woman *in the fucking face* because she was holding a pot of water.
Shooting her at all for holding a pot of water is insane. Nevermind threatening her ahead of time, which proves intent; let alone threatening *and making good on the threat* of shooting her IN THE FACE.
Insane. If this man isn't locked up for life, good god. Other cop needs to be locked up too.
7. "I don't think you all should accept this framing of it. " In response to Reply # 5
"dude was that stressed out and frazzled to think an old woman with a pot of hot water posed as a threat to him."
That's not what happened. What happened was dude thought so little of her life, that he shot her without a second thought. And that's the kindest reading.
He saw shooting that woman no different than shooting a target at the range. I was going to say shooting a dog but, honestly, he would have probably less likely to shoot a non-threatening dog the way he shot that woman crouched on the ground saying she was sorry.
That wasn't an act of fear; it was an act of depravity, and you know it was because of his callousness after the fact.
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9. "I didn't explicitly state this but this is exactly what I was getting @." In response to Reply # 7 Tue Jul-23-24 11:21 AM by Brew
>"dude was that stressed out and frazzled to think an old >woman with a pot of hot water posed as a threat to him." > >That's not what happened. What happened was dude thought so >little of her life, that he shot her without a second thought. >And that's the kindest reading. > >He saw shooting that woman no different than shooting a target >at the range. I was going to say shooting a dog but, >honestly, he would have probably less likely to shoot a >non-threatening dog the way he shot that woman crouched on the >ground saying she was sorry. > >That wasn't an act of fear; it was an act of depravity, and >you know it was because of his callousness after the fact.
He clearly *wasn't* frazzled, that's right. I definitely didn't go far enough in my criticism of these actions; I didn't translate what was in my head into words on the screen. But yes, I'm with you 100%. This man is clearly a psychopath who was chomping at the bit to kill someone, and likely saw what he thought was an easy target in a woman of color. Like I said, their callousness after the fact says it all.
So yea - I'm with you 100% even if I only scratched the surface of the point I was trying to make. You brought it home for me lol. To be clear, I wasn't at all accepting the bullshit framing that he found this woman a threat because of the pot of water. But I didn't make that clear in my initial post so my bad on that.
11. "All good. Wasn't coming at you personally. " In response to Reply # 9
It's just a framing of these shootings that we see a lot. As soon as we accept that framing passively/reflexively, we give that dude too much credit.
And I said my reading is the "kindest" reading because I don't know if he was chomping at the bit to kill someone. Maybe. I don't know and I wouldn't spend a lot of time arguing with or against someone who thought he was. I think it's a difference that doesn't matter because I think wanting to kill a black person (or any person) because you are blood thirsty or killing someone because you don't even see them as a person because of indifference are equally heinous.
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13. "Oh word I know - just wanted to make sure I clarified the point I wanted..." In response to Reply # 11
>It's just a framing of these shootings that we see a lot. As >soon as we accept that framing passively/reflexively, we give >that dude too much credit. > >And I said my reading is the "kindest" reading because I don't >know if he was chomping at the bit to kill someone. Maybe. I >don't know and I wouldn't spend a lot of time arguing with or >against someone who thought he was. I think it's a difference >that doesn't matter because I think wanting to kill a black >person (or any person) because you are blood thirsty or >killing someone because you don't even see them as a person >because of indifference are equally heinous.
100000%. Distinction without a difference. Whether he went in there bloodthirsty or just became so based on a slight change in the situation, doesn't really matter. The result was the same.
8. "a lot of problems with policing could be solved by treating it..." In response to Reply # 4
like the serious job that it is.
the fact that you don't have to have multiple years of education and training to become one is ridiculous. it should be a 4 year degree with continuing education similar to being a lawyer (you know, another job with serious, real life legal consequences).
cleary, that fucking bum should have never been one. if you ended up killing someone who called you for help...over hot water...i hope they cook his ass in court.
>like the serious job that it is. > >the fact that you don't have to have multiple years of >education and training to become one is ridiculous. it should >be a 4 year degree with continuing education similar to being >a lawyer (you know, another job with serious, real life legal >consequences). > >cleary, that fucking bum should have never been one. if you >ended up killing someone who called you for help...over hot >water...i hope they cook his ass in court. > >RIP Sonya Massey.
12. "I was reading this book about policing in NYC in the 60s. " In response to Reply # 8
And it was eye opening about how policing just wasn't a professional profession and it was mainly seen as a way to shake people down.
The problem though is worst than you describe IMHOP because not only is it really not treated as a serious job but it also attracts a certain personality type that wants to be an ahole with a gun.
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14. "I say this almost verbatim everytime I get in a debate with a pro-police..." In response to Reply # 12
>And it was eye opening about how policing just wasn't a >professional profession and it was mainly seen as a way to >shake people down. > >The problem though is worst than you describe IMHOP because >not only is it really not treated as a serious job but it also >attracts a certain personality type that wants to be an ahole >with a gun.
I always ask them to think about every person they knew growing up who became part of law enforcement and to describe them to me. Were they racist, even if they were just telling "jokes" ? Were they bullies ? Were they outsiders/losers, alpha males/alpha male wannabes ? Etc. Almost every cop I know falls into one or all of those categories.
23. "It'll be interesting to see" In response to Reply # 6
how much the District Attorney and the Judge for this case will proceed since most local judicial systems typically have to work with law enforcement to bring criminal cases to court and typically don't press against the police as much as they should.
I'm hoping this peabrain of an officer will be made an example of, but time will tell. The fact the local police actually fired dude and didn't place him under administrative leave with pay is somewhat of a good sign as police with strong unions normally get some form of protection even in instances like this.
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25. "he was really like "what else could I do?"" In response to Reply # 17
when the answer is, literally anything but kill her
In the most generous interpretation of this where he legit feels threatened that she's going to throw boiling water on him, he could have just ran outside. There's no reason he *needed* to stay in the house
27. "Black lady calls police" In response to Reply # 26 Tue Jul-23-24 10:09 PM by shockvalue
Two white male Police arrive and start poking around in her apartment, she is cooperative and non threatening. at one point they or she notice her pot of water on the stove is boiling, she walks to kitchen to grab pot to pour into colander presumably, one cop backs away, she bemusedly asks why, he says because of your pot of water, she gets offended perhaps and says “I rebuke you in the name of Jesus” (but in no way is she brandishing the pot of water in a threatening manner.) Second cop says, “don’t even think about it or I’ll shoot you in the fn face” (seemingly this is in reply to the imprecatory prayer since again, no threatening Move was made.) Same cop draws gun, lady immediately places the pot in the sink and says I’m sorry, sticks hands up and sort of bows down in submission, cop with gun yells “drop the fucking pot” several times after she’s already done so then shoots her. Totally inexplicable except as fulfillment of a latent desire to kill someone under color of law.
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28. "hate to say it but it's better to see for yourself " In response to Reply # 26
it's hard to describe this without editorializing at least a litte
there have definitely been videos where I relied on other people's versions, and when i finally watched felt like I can see to a degree why the cops reacted the way they did. This isn't one of those times
but if you must, from the video that was posted:
cops are in the house, they were called by her and had seemingly been there for a bit. The interaction seemed cordial, and even friendly. She's sitting on the couch looking for her ID, and they're lightly directing her.
Photos posted of her show a middle aged woman but in the video she looks like someone's grandmother. She looks pretty frail. She's in a robe with some kind of pajamas. These cops are young tall and pretty yolked up.
One cop tells her to go check on her boiling water because they don't want a fire. Everything seems chill. She walks over gets an oven mit and grabs the pot. They're a good 15 feet from each other behind a couch. As she grabs the pot, the cop takes a step back. She asks where he's going and the cop chuckles and says "away from your steaming hot water". She says (calmly) "oh, I rebuke you in the name of jesus" cop asks "what?" She repeats the same line and the cop goes agro. "You better not or I'll shoot you in your fucking face!". He points the gun at her. She crouches down and says "I'm sorry I'm sorry"... and he unloads while screaming drop the fucking pot
If I'm off on something someone can feel free to correct me. I didn't want to watch it again
29. "Wow! I started writing this description for you but couldn’t finish :-..." In response to Reply # 26
There are some news articles the have it all written out. The ones I read today were pretty accurate to what I saw in the video. And to be clear, my “wow“ was directed at me, not you. It just hit me hard how I couldn’t type that out. I don’t know how the journalists do it.
I will say this, though there is no blood or gore in the video that is linked in this post. There was a half wall separating the two of them which should tell you something about how inexcusable this was just by saying that.
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33. "Super important detail." In response to Reply # 29
>There was a half wall separating >the two of them which should tell you something about how >inexcusable this was just by saying that.
This woman posed absolutely *NO THREAT* to these pigs, for a million reasons but particularly because of the distance between them and that wall. Any predictable, bullshit attempt at "but I feared for my life" should be disallowed by a judge off jump.
35. "he really did. it was like a bad horror movie" In response to Reply # 34
thought maybe he heard something different but he asked her to repeat it. don't really get why it literally triggered him so much, because he didn't appear hostile until that moment.
more likely he's just the kind of amped up meathead who will stomp someone out half his size for bumping into him even after they apologized. Probably a big part of why he's bounced around so many police departments in such short time
38. "When I read she said "I rebuke you..."" In response to Reply # 34
I pictured her saying that in a loud/booming voice (which still wouldn't justify her getting shot) watching the vid and hearing how low key she sounded makes this even more bonkers.
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39. "Exactly. All of this." In response to Reply # 38
>I pictured her saying that in a loud/booming voice (which >still wouldn't justify her getting shot) watching the vid and >hearing how low key she sounded makes this even more >bonkers.
41. "she then said "I'm sorry" and dropped to the ground" In response to Reply # 38
and despite the fact that there was an entire counter separating them, this coward fired off head shots because of "hot water" being a "threat" - yet she never even threw water. If you really were scared of water, you can't create more distance? tase? take the pot out of her hand? He was dying for a reason to murder this woman, plain and simple.
Even an arriving officer arrived to the scene and said, incredulously, "so where's the gun?", referring to the obvious fact that this woman was unarmed illustrating how absurd it was to execute a woman for picking up a pot of water. -->
44. "Boiling water can scald, but all they had to do was back up..." In response to Reply # 41 Thu Jul-25-24 10:42 AM by flipnile
...if they really felt threatened. It would also be obvious if she tried to throw the water on them, as she'd have to go through a whole throwing motion, which would have been obvious. Like, seen it coming from a mile away obvious.
I agree with this: > He was dying for a reason to murder this woman, plain and simple.
40. "This is really emblematic of just how problematic American policing stil..." In response to Reply # 0 Wed Jul-24-24 03:48 PM by Vex_id
This trash deputy who murdered Massey had worked for like 6 different agencies in 4 years, and had multiple DUIs. The video is a tough watch, but a necessary one, not just to prove that he murdered Massey in cold blood, but in the utter lack of humanity and dignity shown for this woman. Grayson (the deputy) had animosity and contempt for her as soon as he arrived on the scene, despite the fact she called the police for help (something which sadly nobody should be doing as the police are simply not there to "serve and protect" you).
Grayson was aggressive, disrespectful, and treated Massey as less than human - and it happens all the time. I've seen the culture of policing up front and personal in my own experiences - even being targeted by police for standing up for marginalized people in my own community.
Not once did Grayson show any kind of concern or regard for Massey, and even after murdering her in cold blood, he discouraged his partner from getting his med kit to offer aid despite the fact that she was still breathing (as even he conceded in the video). He even said later in the video that he's not going to "waste his kit" on her. I mean wtf. He never showed an ounce of remorse for slaughtering this woman - and this is how these communities have been policed for decades and decades. Frankly, the only thing that surprised me in this was the fact that they actually released the video and charged this guy with murder. For every case like this, there's 10 where the police "investigate" themselves, cover for their officers, and lie about what actually transpired.
I've seen a lot of police shooting videos, but this one was possibly the most disgusting one I've seen in how it exemplified the contempt police have for the people they are supposed to be serving. -->
42. "apparently, he also said "that bitch was crazy"..." In response to Reply # 40
and was trying to check w/ dispatch to see if she had any "mental health" reports in her background (so he could start framing his defense...all while he was lackadaisically getting his med kit).
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48. "Can Trump pardon him? If so, he will.. smh" In response to Reply # 47
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