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Feels like tonight is the official start. Let's get it cracking

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In this debate, Biden just has to dispel the perception that he's feeble
Jun 27th 2024
1
This happened in 2020 for sure.
Jun 27th 2024
2
      Well…sucks to be THIS wrong.
Jun 27th 2024
48
           Thank god it snowed level lol
Jun 28th 2024
100
I wish we had better options
Jun 27th 2024
3
both these fools look too old for this shit
Jun 27th 2024
4
lulz
Jun 27th 2024
5
The possibility of Trump keeling over would be the only reason to watch
Jun 27th 2024
6
smh.. Biden about to lose. That dude is too fucking old
Jun 27th 2024
7
oh God
Jun 27th 2024
8
Biden cant even remember the question halfway though his answer
Jun 27th 2024
11
I’m incredibly scared now.
Jun 27th 2024
9
smdh
Jun 27th 2024
10
So far Biden is incoherent 30% of the time
Jun 27th 2024
12
Who you got to replace Biden?
Jun 27th 2024
13
both are old as fuck, but one is clearly the better leader.
Jun 27th 2024
14
You mean speaker?
Jun 27th 2024
15
      I think he means Biden
Jun 27th 2024
16
      no, not speaker. leader.
Jun 27th 2024
19
           Misunderstood. (And obviously, agreed.)
Jun 27th 2024
21
                all good.
Jun 27th 2024
22
Welp. Democracy was nice.
Jun 27th 2024
17
Quasi-democracy, but yes. Same sentiments here.
Jun 28th 2024
102
I've said it before and I'll say it again
Jul 16th 2024
357
this country is fucked
Jun 27th 2024
18
It’s over unless
Jun 27th 2024
20
watching this is making me physically ill
Jun 27th 2024
23
Now's the time for Biden to drop out and endorse Kamala.
Jun 27th 2024
24
Now? Its too late. The Dems should be ashamed
Jun 27th 2024
26
Now's the perfect time.
Jun 27th 2024
32
      well, its worth a shot
Jun 27th 2024
67
           has its own risks though and its pretty rich
Jun 27th 2024
82
                LOL if you think it would have gone alright...
Jun 28th 2024
86
You mean a Hail Mary?
Jun 27th 2024
27
Why not?
Jun 27th 2024
34
For the record, apparently Joe has a cold.
Jun 27th 2024
47
A cold that seems could kill the old guy
Jun 27th 2024
49
pneumonia???
Jun 27th 2024
52
hopefully it’s COVID and it spreads easily
Jun 27th 2024
53
8 ft, but that would be an interesting coincidence.
Jun 27th 2024
60
partially is doing a lot of work there
Jun 27th 2024
69
i dont mean to keep bashing the guy but there's a broader point
Jun 27th 2024
76
WHY not put that out there before the debate?
Jun 28th 2024
138
Kamala just looked damn strong on CNN.
Jun 27th 2024
80
fuck Anderson Cooper
Jun 28th 2024
137
so... fucked to really fucked
Jun 28th 2024
87
tf are black and hispanic jobs lol
Jun 27th 2024
25
^^^^^^
Jun 28th 2024
140
So far..
Jun 27th 2024
28
this whole thing is a waste of time.
Jun 27th 2024
30
Biden should’ve pulled up LL Cool J - That’s a Lie on his phone
Jun 27th 2024
29
Americans fight each other over these two.
Jun 27th 2024
31
Golf..
Jun 27th 2024
33
fucking golf :(
Jun 27th 2024
35
I've seen your swing
Jun 27th 2024
36
Fuck a vote. We should just have them settle it all over 72 holes.
Jun 27th 2024
37
      carrying their own bags
Jun 27th 2024
39
      Biden's best line. Short and coherent.
Jun 28th 2024
101
      These old fucks couldnt last an hour at Top Golf.
Jun 27th 2024
40
           Uh.. Trump appears lively .. we can’t front
Jun 27th 2024
41
                because Biden looks dead
Jun 27th 2024
45
                He lives a completely sedentary life
Jun 27th 2024
55
                     Stop it
Jun 27th 2024
56
                     neither are in shape
Jun 28th 2024
128
                     nigga, Biden aint exercising. The man could barely walk to the podiu
Jun 27th 2024
57
                          I assume he has PT
Jun 28th 2024
88
                          he has PTO
Jun 28th 2024
94
                          he rides a bike lol
Jun 28th 2024
127
                               I'm 100% sure If I google "biden bike"
Jun 28th 2024
129
I hope Biden doesn’t glitch during his closing statements
Jun 27th 2024
38
smh...
Jun 27th 2024
43
Someone should have insulted him during the break.
Jun 27th 2024
44
Golf. They’re arguing about golf. Not the Gulf, but golf. The game.
Jun 27th 2024
42
Jill came out to help Biden walk off stage
Jun 27th 2024
46
Maybe Jill should run for president... LOL!
Jun 27th 2024
61
Van Jones crying already
Jun 27th 2024
50
Biden isn't winning another election
Jun 27th 2024
51
This is bullshit tho.. its still about the substance
Jun 27th 2024
54
Not to a lot of folks in here
Jun 27th 2024
58
because we can't believe what we are seeing
Jun 27th 2024
64
RE: Not to a lot of folks in here
Jun 27th 2024
65
wtf is wrong with you?
Jun 27th 2024
84
This aint about you or us, its about swing state voters
Jun 27th 2024
59
RE: This aint about you or us, its about swing state voters
Jun 27th 2024
73
every word out of trump's mouth was a lie. how do you even keep up?
Jun 28th 2024
91
      this is a technique, apparently
Jun 29th 2024
143
You're basically saying people will vote for an empty shell
Jun 27th 2024
62
RE: You're basically saying people will vote for an empty shell
Jun 27th 2024
71
Two things can be true.
Jun 27th 2024
75
      RE: Two things can be true.
Jun 27th 2024
79
           You are all over the map or just being
Jun 27th 2024
81
                RE: You are all over the map or just being
Jun 27th 2024
83
                     RE: You are all over the map or just being
Jun 27th 2024
85
The "Ron DeSantis is the next president" guy has thoughts
Jun 28th 2024
90
Someone said Joe sound like Silkk the Shokerr..
Jun 27th 2024
63
Like The D.O.C. .. like Miles Davis with strep
Jun 27th 2024
72
Trump certainly outperformed Biden. Gotta hope people check the facts.
Jun 27th 2024
66
Joe made Trump look young.
Jun 27th 2024
74
      Can't deny that.
Jun 27th 2024
78
      ^^^^Absolutely the worst part of it.
Jun 28th 2024
95
it's really sad that these are our fucking choices.
Jun 27th 2024
68
.
Jun 27th 2024
70
sounds like I made the right decision in not watching
Jun 27th 2024
77
proceeded to torture myself with clips instead
Jun 28th 2024
89
no escaping it!!
Jun 28th 2024
92
man I was on the fence. Even when I shut it off midway, I ended up
Jun 28th 2024
97
The presidency ages you like dog years
Jun 28th 2024
93
True. But even for us regular, non-president folk ...
Jun 28th 2024
99
      Need to cap the presidency at age 62.
Jun 28th 2024
103
           Couldn't agree more.
Jun 28th 2024
104
It's early
Jun 28th 2024
96
Watching the dynamics of the Modi scare really made me realize
Jun 28th 2024
98
So do you think there's a model there?
Jun 28th 2024
133
      running on something tangible and delivering
Jun 28th 2024
142
      Yeah, it's been a week and a half and this seems a universe away
Jul 09th 2024
214
      shit I just now saw this
Jul 10th 2024
216
Problem is it really isn't a time heals the situation.
Jun 28th 2024
107
      Oh, nothing is getting healed
Jun 28th 2024
125
           agreed
Jun 28th 2024
141
Nazi v Corpse
Jun 28th 2024
105
i don't know a lot about him, though i do know he's a popular name...
Jun 28th 2024
106
I think everybody BUT Californians like him
Jun 28th 2024
108
I’m a Californian and I like him. So do most Californians
Jun 28th 2024
110
      i had to google Guilgoyle.
Jun 28th 2024
112
      lol true
Jun 28th 2024
114
      Cheating on her is a plus with most Dems
Jun 28th 2024
113
      fam, that's what i'm saying. that's an EASY spin.
Jun 28th 2024
116
           “and you see why I left the relationship”
Jun 28th 2024
118
      got u ok. Yeah I see criticism about him on IG and online
Jun 28th 2024
122
      Uh no they don’t lol..however he will be president 2029
Jun 28th 2024
136
Slicky boy scumbag. There’s so many other good Dems out there
Jun 28th 2024
109
i'm not saying he's the best choice by any means.
Jun 28th 2024
111
Yea. I like Whitmer a lot, but ...
Jun 28th 2024
115
Anyone with a pulse is better than Biden
Jun 28th 2024
117
      sadly, i don't think they ever pull the plug on an incumbent...
Jun 28th 2024
120
      Kamala will be another Joe in that
Jun 28th 2024
134
           I’d take her nervous cackle over Joe’s fucking vapor locks
Jul 02nd 2024
153
As a Californian I could care less about the dinner at French Laundy
Jun 28th 2024
121
      Fake outrage over the French Laundry dinner is laughable.
Jun 28th 2024
123
I've always felt that he's been focusing his attention on 2028.
Jun 28th 2024
119
Gavin is sleazy Obama
Jun 28th 2024
124
Yeah man states like PA and MI ain't going for him
Jun 28th 2024
126
He's more John Edwards than John Kennedy.
Jun 28th 2024
131
      Edwards parents were working class
Jun 28th 2024
132
           milieu...
Jun 28th 2024
139
he is movie star handsome and charismatic and tall
Jun 28th 2024
130
Newsom looks like the guy in Batman movies that starts off good...
Jul 05th 2024
159
Monday morning quarterbacking: we gon be alright (c) Kendrick
Jun 28th 2024
135
Welp..CNN poll (for what it's worth)
Jun 30th 2024
144
^^^ Fake news y'all got this.
Jun 30th 2024
145
Someone at work told you something?
Jul 02nd 2024
146
      He's clearly lying...
Jul 02nd 2024
147
           your sarcasm needs work
Jul 02nd 2024
148
Overall, the polls didn't change. Biden still down 6 in CNN poll
Jul 02nd 2024
149
      link broken
Jul 02nd 2024
150
      yeah I think I'm on board with the Kamala thing
Jul 02nd 2024
151
           my only issue is if Kamala fails it would ruin her career
Jul 02nd 2024
152
                wait, really? I'd say this is her best shot, honestly
Jul 02nd 2024
154
                     its a tricky situation
Jul 03rd 2024
156
Biden talks about hot weather (July 2)
Jul 02nd 2024
155
they should've let the hunter Biden thing cook in 2020
Jul 05th 2024
160
      what's interesting is that hunter may be joe's best shot
Jul 06th 2024
167
Biden to stop doing events past 8pm
Jul 05th 2024
157
its over, the man is too fucking old to do 4 more years
Jul 05th 2024
158
saying when Bush and Obama went to bed is irrelevant
Jul 05th 2024
161
Biden Defiantly Downplays Mounting Political Crisis
Jul 05th 2024
162
watched the interview. he's gonna drop out
Jul 05th 2024
163
I feel for him and his fam in the sense that
Jul 06th 2024
164
      he legit looked like an ex president being interviewed
Jul 06th 2024
165
      to your point this pretty bad
Jul 06th 2024
166
radio host loses Black job after admitting WH sent softball questions
Jul 08th 2024
168
I watched CNN's interview w/ Sanders about her radio interview with bide...
Jul 08th 2024
170
Biden sends letter to Congress. He's "firmly committed" to staying in
Jul 08th 2024
169
If it doesn’t happen this week Dems need to unify
Jul 08th 2024
171
Ride or Die ? for Biden??
Jul 08th 2024
172
      Dieden 2024!!!
Jul 08th 2024
174
Reagan was in office with straight up Alzheimer's in his second term
Jul 08th 2024
173
      I don’t remember Ray Gun looking lost in 1988 debates
Jul 08th 2024
175
      he didn't run in 88, he was term limited.
Jul 08th 2024
176
           I forgot the first Bush won in 88
Jul 08th 2024
178
      it's not only terminally online people who think hes to old though
Jul 08th 2024
177
      First time around it was easy money
Jul 08th 2024
179
      a sure loser is getting anybody else on the ballot
Jul 08th 2024
180
           if this was repubs we'd be laughing our asses off
Jul 08th 2024
184
           I mean.. yeah, Dems fucked this up
Jul 08th 2024
187
           he's only gonna get worse
Jul 08th 2024
189
                Man needs some Ginseng
Jul 09th 2024
196
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Jul 09th 2024
198
           ^^^ all of this
Jul 09th 2024
208
           This is missing a big piece of the puzzle
Jul 09th 2024
209
      I've heard this Reagan argument often, it has no persuasive value at all...
Jul 08th 2024
181
      the media hid Joe’s decline too
Jul 08th 2024
185
      we (non republicans) think he was terrible
Jul 08th 2024
188
      people like you don't get it
Jul 08th 2024
182
           so who is the mythical unicorn then?
Jul 08th 2024
183
                Kamala is the only one IMO
Jul 08th 2024
186
                     which would be wild, becasue she screams one termer
Jul 08th 2024
190
                     Biden and his team maybe have completely ratfucked the country
Jul 09th 2024
206
                          This was wild.
Jul 09th 2024
207
                     Copala? Come on legs, you don't really believe that
Jul 08th 2024
191
                          She would look like a genius compared to Trump and Biden
Jul 08th 2024
193
                               Hillary looked like a genius compared to trump too
Jul 09th 2024
194
                                    Cmon now.. Hilldawg had a lifetime of hate built upon around her
Jul 09th 2024
195
                                         her approval rating is even worse than bidens
Jul 09th 2024
210
                                              everyone’s approval rating will take a hit right now
Jul 09th 2024
212
                                                   what can be, unburdened by...
Jul 09th 2024
213
Presidents by age (for perspective)
Jul 08th 2024
192
Age ain't nothing but a number
Jul 10th 2024
217
      yea Bernie's older than both and seems fine
Jul 10th 2024
224
      the point is, we are in uncharted territory
Jul 10th 2024
231
Annnd this is why I am reluctant for Biden to step down.
Jul 09th 2024
197
lol damn. Same.
Jul 09th 2024
199
lmao… why the hell is Hilldawg being floated as an option?
Jul 09th 2024
200
She will never die.
Jul 09th 2024
201
      I said earlier if Kamala lost to Trump her career is over
Jul 09th 2024
202
           Haha yea for sure.
Jul 09th 2024
203
seems like a bad idea
Jul 09th 2024
204
why would she want to lose to trump twice?
Jul 09th 2024
211
reminder: BILL Clinton is younger than Donald Trump
Jul 09th 2024
215
      and Bill looked old as shit when Hilldawg ran in 2016
Jul 10th 2024
218
split the vote! split the vote! split the vote! split the vote!
Jul 09th 2024
205
Biden support slips in deep blue NY: ‘We’re a battleground state now...
Jul 10th 2024
219
Gotta just let the old man run at this point
Jul 10th 2024
220
Yup. This slow trickle of public dissent has to stop. Do it or don't
Jul 10th 2024
221
If they do, he'll lose.
Jul 10th 2024
226
even lost George Clooney
Jul 10th 2024
222
Biden has the final say. We have no choice but to ride it out
Jul 10th 2024
223
RBJoe
Jul 10th 2024
225
That fact Clooney
Jul 10th 2024
240
Ever have to have that talk with a parent or grandparent....
Jul 10th 2024
227
On one hand....
Jul 10th 2024
228
nah, more like “Shut the fuck up and THINK FIRST”
Jul 10th 2024
232
I don’t see this ending well. I do think we need to get behind joe
Jul 10th 2024
233
gotta keep the pressure on, he has to get out of the race
Jul 10th 2024
229
See, I think the worst case scenario is a shit show trying to replace hi...
Jul 10th 2024
230
why the hell would they try to run old ass Bernie?
Jul 10th 2024
234
Because those are the people folks know. How did we end up with Biden?
Jul 10th 2024
235
dems need to allow voices, leaders to emerge
Jul 10th 2024
236
yeah, he's not winning
Jul 10th 2024
237
^^^ anyone saying otherwise is essentially saying
Jul 10th 2024
238
      ^ correct
Jul 10th 2024
239
      Yes, and I actually cannot believe this is the case.
Jul 10th 2024
241
           yea fear of Trump isn't the same for a lot of people
Jul 10th 2024
242
                fear of Trump is still a thing
Jul 11th 2024
250
                     it's real. it's just not enough
Jul 11th 2024
259
not gonna lie, all this Biden backlash is feeling VERY weird.
Jul 10th 2024
243
It’s some game of thrones shit going on. It’s WEIRD.
Jul 10th 2024
244
it's necessary
Jul 11th 2024
245
i don't think we have a clear understanding...
Jul 11th 2024
246
      funny as it is to bring Clooney into this...
Jul 11th 2024
247
           Biden makes Trump look legit
Jul 11th 2024
249
                look how easily Mayor Pete does this
Jul 11th 2024
267
                     It's wild listening to someone talk about policy...
Jul 11th 2024
268
what's weird is acting like this man isn't toast
Jul 11th 2024
248
I don't know if he's clearly toast, and I don't know if rushing to find ...
Jul 11th 2024
251
      Remember: Joe's a lobotmized brain dead shit eater who's EGO will kill y...
Jul 11th 2024
252
           So in other words
Jul 11th 2024
253
           this is where i'm at with it, minus all the hyperbole.
Jul 11th 2024
254
           The end is finding a candidate who can win
Jul 11th 2024
255
           well, that's the thing...
Jul 11th 2024
257
           do you think the stephanpolous interview wasn't bad?
Jul 11th 2024
271
           Yeah, I guess this issue is foundational here
Jul 11th 2024
273
           This is it.
Jul 11th 2024
265
           But see, this is what the problem is.
Jul 11th 2024
261
           You should uh...take a break from the internet.
Jul 11th 2024
260
           don't miss "handle! One man show"
Jul 11th 2024
264
           dude is this close to buying a hammer and some plane tickets
Jul 11th 2024
277
           cut the edible in half next time you fucking weirdo
Jul 11th 2024
276
                ^^Transaparent gas lighting
Jul 11th 2024
285
                     hows the cruise going
Jul 11th 2024
286
                     lmao
Jul 11th 2024
288
                     "shhhh u sound like THEM" is a big reason for this mess
Jul 11th 2024
287
it's emotional, rash, and irrational thinking.
Jul 11th 2024
256
Not if it's Kamala IIRC.
Jul 11th 2024
258
nah blue maga is accusing
Jul 11th 2024
278
People need to go back and re-watch the debate
Jul 11th 2024
262
unfair edits by the right caused the left to be overly dismissive
Jul 11th 2024
263
Isn't the pragmatic choice to ditch the losing candidate?
Jul 11th 2024
266
      yes THIS part
Jul 11th 2024
269
      Yep.
Jul 11th 2024
272
      that goes back to your previous reply to Walleye.
Jul 11th 2024
270
           But you act as if polls are the ONLY thing untrustworthy.
Jul 11th 2024
274
           Its not just polls you read about
Jul 11th 2024
280
I've long ignored Hunter Biden, but...
Jul 11th 2024
275
i've been assuming that's bullshit
Jul 11th 2024
279
the Hill is owned by the same group who owns Newsnation
Jul 11th 2024
281
      That's fair, but still...
Jul 11th 2024
282
      more reporting...
Jul 11th 2024
284
           What are we doing? WHAT ARE WE DOING?!?! (c) Taylor Twellman
Jul 12th 2024
311
+1 for Joe
Jul 11th 2024
283
Biden introduces Zelensky as "President Putin"
Jul 11th 2024
289
it's a stutter
Jul 11th 2024
290
lol
Jul 11th 2024
292
it's a nothing thing
Jul 11th 2024
291
that's an honest flub but it truly couldn't come at a worse time.
Jul 11th 2024
293
calling the president of a nation by his enemy’s name is brutal
Jul 11th 2024
309
Less egregious in actuality but still….not good!
Jul 11th 2024
294
This presser is going to be a disaster, isn't it?
Jul 11th 2024
295
This dude said Vice President Trump...
Jul 11th 2024
296
no words
Jul 11th 2024
298
painful
Jul 11th 2024
301
Usually gaffes like this are meaningless.
Jul 11th 2024
302
This is the plan for four months
Jul 11th 2024
297
i can't watch
Jul 11th 2024
299
his cold is back
Jul 11th 2024
300
this story is going nowhere
Jul 11th 2024
303
50, 55 zero, 50
Jul 11th 2024
304
Thus far…not a disaster, but not campaign saving either.
Jul 11th 2024
305
on a human level I feel really bad
Jul 11th 2024
307
I remember when my grandmas were told they couldn't drive anymore.
Jul 11th 2024
310
      part of me wants him to prove us all wrong for that reason
Jul 12th 2024
312
           Holy shit, Hillary just used my analogy... in defense of Joe.
Jul 12th 2024
314
                well we should absolutely listen to her advice on how to beat
Jul 14th 2024
334
Damn, give this dude a Red Bull
Jul 11th 2024
308
Fake news Jim Crow Joe wins in a landslide.
Jul 12th 2024
313
      Trump wins the Black Mormon vote
Jul 16th 2024
356
.
Jul 11th 2024
306
i dunno, he looks alright here.
Jul 12th 2024
315
my takeaway is, that harden beard guy is awful
Jul 13th 2024
316
Is the bar on the floor?
Jul 13th 2024
317
someone apparently just tried to assassinate Trump and failed.
Jul 13th 2024
318
Shots fired in Butler PA at Trump rally
Jul 13th 2024
319
i'm tired of living in historic times.
Jul 13th 2024
320
Heinz 57 ketchup packets.
Jul 13th 2024
321
      You wild
Jul 13th 2024
323
probably needs its own post
Jul 13th 2024
322
But guns are good
Jul 13th 2024
324
That looked so damn staged
Jul 13th 2024
325
trump was negotiating putting his shoes back on...which seemed odd
Jul 13th 2024
328
Out of there fist pumping like Pauly D doesn’t help conspiracy theorie...
Jul 13th 2024
333
I hope it was done by a Maga nutjob to help win the election.
Jul 13th 2024
327
It’s massively fucked up that I don’t know what’s real anymore.
Jul 13th 2024
329
      a person was killed in the crowd
Jul 13th 2024
330
           I’m not blaming Trump or QAnon for my distrust.
Jul 13th 2024
332
This is bad. Really bad. Unless you’re MAGA, then it’s a fucking gif...
Jul 13th 2024
326
this will be Biden's test
Jul 13th 2024
331
Trump classified document indictment dismissed
Jul 15th 2024
335
whole shit feels like a bad tubi movie on Hallmark
Jul 15th 2024
336
Talk to people in real life about this...
Jul 15th 2024
337
yeah, I think the internet skews expectations
Jul 15th 2024
340
Nothing is taking this fucking guy down.
Jul 15th 2024
338
Out of everybody I met, who told the truth?
Jul 15th 2024
339
Trump picked JD Vance as VP
Jul 15th 2024
341
a sign of the crazy times we live in, if you ask me...
Jul 15th 2024
342
Only 39 years old so he will be in power for the next 30 years
Jul 15th 2024
343
jd vance will be president til january 2037
Jul 15th 2024
352
Tim Scott gobbled all that dick for nothing.
Jul 15th 2024
344
lulz
Jul 15th 2024
345
he was never gonna pick Scott.
Jul 15th 2024
346
yep
Jul 15th 2024
347
lol
Jul 16th 2024
358
poor litte Marco
Jul 15th 2024
348
      agreed.
Jul 15th 2024
349
           like every other Trump simp, he started out like
Jul 15th 2024
350
wrong post . delete
Jul 15th 2024
351
the only path to victory i see is gretchen whitmer
Jul 15th 2024
353
if she had more runway
Jul 15th 2024
354
extraordinary times, extraordinary measures
Jul 16th 2024
368
A+ Polls today have Trump ahead in every
Jul 16th 2024
355
agree
Jul 16th 2024
367
No one knows her. And 3 months isn't enough time to get familiar
Jul 16th 2024
364
      I honestly don't think this is the case anymore
Jul 16th 2024
366
RIP America, it was not so good while it lasted.
Jul 16th 2024
359
Amber Rose speaking at the RNC is a head scratcher
Jul 16th 2024
360
"I used to think MAGA was racist, but I did my research, and it's not!"
Jul 16th 2024
361
and GOP voters are mad af she was there
Jul 16th 2024
365
I wonder how big the “Satanist Slut” voting bloc is
Jul 16th 2024
362
Her and Scott are Diamond n Silk 2.0
Jul 16th 2024
363
In a way it's a bit on brand...
Jul 17th 2024
370
i assume this is true cuz it's what i assumed her motivation was...
Jul 17th 2024
375
      yep
Jul 17th 2024
388
           grifters gonna grift.
Jul 17th 2024
391
Biden hints at SCOTUS reform
Jul 17th 2024
369
Aw sick ! One tiny concession that only could've passed two+ years ago.
Jul 17th 2024
371
yeah, why the fuck did he wait so long
Jul 17th 2024
372
The latest decisions ramped up their corruption by orders of magnitude.
Jul 17th 2024
374
      stop telling this lie already
Jul 17th 2024
      What the fuck are you talking about?
Jul 17th 2024
396
      .
Jul 17th 2024
376
^^^^
Jul 17th 2024
377
      It's funny cuz it's so fucking clear what he's/they're doing.
Jul 17th 2024
378
too late
Jul 17th 2024
373
Would be wonderful to give Trump another 4 seats.
Jul 17th 2024
379
      lol exactly.
Jul 17th 2024
381
      RIGHT? jesus
Jul 17th 2024
382
      He's not talking about expanding the court, and that's exactly why.
Jul 17th 2024
402
Schiff Dogg: Drop out, old man.
Jul 17th 2024
380
Biden would consider dropping out if medical condition emerged
Jul 17th 2024
383
He said the same thing in his post-debate interview
Jul 17th 2024
389
As much as we want to think we're getting the inside story on twitter,
Jul 17th 2024
398
      This isn't a bad point actually. Very plausible.
Jul 18th 2024
427
Biden rambling in zoom call
Jul 17th 2024
384
Sounding/acting more and more like Trump everyday.
Jul 17th 2024
385
Who put this together? Me! That’s who!!!
Jul 17th 2024
386
LOL!
Jul 18th 2024
441
Honestly, it's so fucking depressing.
Jul 17th 2024
387
      Every voter in America has or had an elder who did this
Jul 17th 2024
390
the only thing he can do and not look terrible is win
Jul 17th 2024
392
      but, this is why he ain't dropping out.
Jul 17th 2024
393
           Yuck.
Jul 17th 2024
394
                We also don't know for sure that Kamala is a stronger candidate in the e...
Jul 17th 2024
399
                     So is continuing to run Joe.
Jul 18th 2024
424
                          Oh I agree.
Jul 18th 2024
429
                               All good points. Agree especially w/2nd paragraph.
Jul 18th 2024
431
I've been waiting for Clarence Thomas to die....
Jul 17th 2024
395
And Biden has tested positive for Covid
Jul 17th 2024
397
Offramp or excuse. Can't wait to find out.
Jul 17th 2024
400
He's fully vaccinated and boosted, and he's had it twice before.
Jul 17th 2024
401
perfect opportunity
Jul 17th 2024
403
Joy Reid: Biden surviving covid same as Trump surviving assassination
Jul 18th 2024
421
So why do we all think we'd be better off without Biden?
Jul 17th 2024
404
Gretchen Whitmer is the candidate
Jul 17th 2024
405
Lol fantasy football over here.
Jul 17th 2024
406
      RE: Lol fantasy football over here.
Jul 17th 2024
408
           You're more fun when you're selling covid misinformation
Jul 17th 2024
409
                be specific, what did i say that was wrong about covid? nm
Jul 17th 2024
411
                RE: You're more fun when you're selling covid misinformation
Jul 17th 2024
414
                     Nah the snideness is well-earned in this case.
Jul 17th 2024
417
they're waiting for a political superman that won't come.
Jul 18th 2024
425
      Agreed on all counts.
Jul 18th 2024
433
Wow, JD Vance is a shitty, boring speaker.
Jul 17th 2024
407
he's peter thiel backed
Jul 17th 2024
410
      Lol that's the fif we all remember!
Jul 17th 2024
412
      This guy really said "Peter Thiel lecture."
Jul 17th 2024
413
           great point, we should all wear earplugs
Jul 17th 2024
415
           do you really not realize
Jul 17th 2024
416
           Luckily you're just some nobody on the internet, and so am I.
Jul 17th 2024
419
                lol
Jul 18th 2024
420
           if you want to understand Vance, read this
Jul 17th 2024
418
I know it’s not realistic at this point, but Josh Shapiro would
Jul 18th 2024
422
Pelosi told Joe he cant win
Jul 18th 2024
423
third party candidates running solely to siphon votes from the Dems
Jul 18th 2024
426
telling people who voted that they need to vote is a bit condescending
Jul 18th 2024
428
      30-40% of people don't vote though
Jul 18th 2024
430
      Telling people they should get out to vote is now condescending??!
Jul 18th 2024
432
           when debating people in political threads.. yes
Jul 18th 2024
434
why would he tweet this?
Jul 18th 2024
435
Saw a meme where he responded to that tweet minutes later ...
Jul 18th 2024
436
Because of his next reply:
Jul 18th 2024
437
      LOL fair enough
Jul 18th 2024
438
JD Vance left his Venmo public
Jul 18th 2024
439
is Tyler Perry writing his speech????
Jul 18th 2024
440
Evander Holyfield's ear bandage wasn't that big
Jul 19th 2024
442
90s Tyson vs bullet
Jul 19th 2024
444
Trump's ACTUAL reason for picking JD Vance
Jul 19th 2024
443
Even more reason to vote for crypt keeper regardless
Jul 19th 2024
445
Yep.
Jul 19th 2024
447
Why can't congressional Dems have a meeting and come with one statement?
Jul 19th 2024
446
because they dont agree and see this as their chance to usurp power?
Jul 19th 2024
448
      we fell the fuck in line for Biden in 2020
Jul 19th 2024
449
Biden steps down
Jul 21st 2024
450
what a crazy few weeks this has been
Jul 21st 2024
451
      Cannot be overstated.
Jul 21st 2024
453
Joe Manchin considering rejoining Democratic Party to challenge Harris
Jul 21st 2024
452
Nobody cares...
Jul 22nd 2024
454
lol what a fucking dork.
Jul 22nd 2024
455
bitchazz needs to shovel some coal and drink a mountain dew
Jul 22nd 2024
456
RE: bitchazz needs to shovel some coal and drink a mountain dew
Jul 28th 2024
466
smh, zero shame
Jul 22nd 2024
457
lol well said, it's true.
Jul 22nd 2024
458
this guy is so annoying
Jul 25th 2024
460
fuck right off Manchin, go the way of Sinema
Jul 25th 2024
461
Harris is actually out there campaigning....
Jul 25th 2024
459
Dude’s body couldn’t take it
Jul 25th 2024
462
Trump Tells Christians They Won’t Have to Vote in Future
Jul 27th 2024
463
aint even trying to hide it
Jul 27th 2024
464
Man, Dems gotta hammer this one.
Jul 27th 2024
465
Insane.
Jul 29th 2024
468
Walz seens like a good communicator
Jul 28th 2024
467
I hope she picks Walz.
Jul 29th 2024
469
yeah, the guy almost no one has heard of would’ve won the primary?
Jul 29th 2024
470
      and Minnesota hasn’t gone Repub for over 50 years. We need AZ, NC, PA
Jul 29th 2024
471
      He flipped a hard red Congressional district
Jul 29th 2024
473
           will that play in NC, GA, PA, AZ and such?
Jul 29th 2024
474
                Yes
Jul 29th 2024
475
                     hope so..
Jul 29th 2024
476
                     you called it
Aug 06th 2024
641
lmao at Chelsea Handle roasting Vance
Jul 29th 2024
472
Elon Musk posting deep fake Kamala speech videos on X
Jul 29th 2024
477
remember when he just wanted “free speech”?
Jul 29th 2024
478
I mean Kamala is still on twitter
Jul 29th 2024
480
      at some point she should ditch it….
Jul 29th 2024
482
           Yep!
Jul 29th 2024
483
           that doesn't sound like a good idea
Jul 29th 2024
489
                Ok….after she wins, then kill his hoe ass Nazi platform
Jul 29th 2024
491
he gets more facebook uncley by the day
Jul 29th 2024
479
RE: Elon Musk posting deep fake Kamala speech videos on X
Jul 29th 2024
484
Honestly, I don't know anything about the kid
Jul 29th 2024
485
İt's crazy seeing the propaganda on both sides
Jul 29th 2024
486
      these little shitheads haven’t left their bedrooms since ‘19
Jul 29th 2024
487
      lmao.. facts
Jul 30th 2024
493
      bingo
Jul 31st 2024
576
      shes a prager U person
Jul 29th 2024
490
           I don't know. She has 2 million subscribers
Jul 30th 2024
492
           RE: I don't know. She has 2 million subscribers
Jul 30th 2024
537
                lulz
Jul 31st 2024
580
           Is it the braids?
Jul 31st 2024
581
he shut down the White Dudes For Harris account
Jul 30th 2024
494
      Wow!
Jul 30th 2024
497
      the White dudes account is back
Jul 30th 2024
500
      Update
Jul 30th 2024
503
      those white dudes/white women for harris things are cringey as fuck
Jul 30th 2024
513
           They're serving their purpose, which is to raise money
Jul 30th 2024
531
           Money is Money
Jul 30th 2024
535
                ehh I don't get that hyped over money. everyone outspends Trump
Jul 30th 2024
536
                     Indeed. And he lost last time. Quite handily
Jul 31st 2024
539
Arizona Republican mayor supports Harris
Jul 29th 2024
481
Roy Cooper removed himself from VP consideration
Jul 29th 2024
488
so who's left?
Jul 30th 2024
495
      RE: so who's left?
Jul 30th 2024
498
      i'd say that's a real long shot
Jul 30th 2024
501
           i think they're saying that cuz Whitmer already said she's out?
Jul 30th 2024
505
      What about Beshear?
Jul 30th 2024
499
      could be
Jul 30th 2024
502
      Really hoping they go with Buttigieg.
Jul 30th 2024
509
           The problem with 2016/Kaine was that he was boring af.
Jul 30th 2024
512
           I agree that Buttigieg is the future, but I think he needs to hold...
Jul 30th 2024
529
           he's never won a tough or real election or passed any laws
Jul 30th 2024
533
Megan Thee Stallion to Join VP Harris for ATL Rally
Jul 30th 2024
496
I love Buttigieg. But folks, it's crazy talk to think he should be Veep...
Jul 30th 2024
504
Amanda Seales is still annoying
Jul 30th 2024
506
so on brand for her
Jul 30th 2024
507
She was "summoned" by Kamala Harris?
Jul 30th 2024
510
      some commenters were saying this meeting never happened
Jul 30th 2024
519
Trump doubles down on christians no longer needing to vote
Jul 30th 2024
508
SMH! choose your own adventure 2024
Jul 30th 2024
511
Musk shuts down Whitedudes4Harris on X after it raised $4million
Jul 30th 2024
514
Did he give a reason ? Or is it just literal nazism ?
Jul 30th 2024
515
      not really.. the reason made no sense
Jul 30th 2024
516
      lol soooo what was the reason for the first suspension they evaded ?
Jul 30th 2024
522
           Arrested for resisting arrest.
Jul 30th 2024
534
                lol
Jul 31st 2024
542
      I assume he'd say something like
Jul 30th 2024
517
      Blacks for Trump. GOP voters act like its not a thing tho
Jul 30th 2024
521
      he's a big loser that's his reason
Jul 30th 2024
518
      he paid 45 billion and took it private
Jul 30th 2024
525
calling them weird really seems to be triggering for them btw
Jul 30th 2024
520
i'm kinda scared Trump is gonna bail on Vance.
Jul 30th 2024
523
yeah i hope he stays on
Jul 30th 2024
527
It's incredible how off balance this has made them.
Jul 30th 2024
524
it really is
Jul 30th 2024
532
      Agree with every word.
Jul 31st 2024
543
the left is more embracing of weird
Jul 30th 2024
526
yeah, like when they get called a snowflake
Jul 30th 2024
528
I really didn't think this "weird" thing would work
Jul 30th 2024
530
They need to run with this
Jul 30th 2024
538
      yooooo
Jul 31st 2024
540
      lol at how dirty and skeevy these guys look
Jul 31st 2024
544
      Like Trump n Vance “and the rest”
Jul 31st 2024
545
      exactly what these voters look like behind these computers
Jul 31st 2024
547
           i was having a convo with one of my coworkers yesterday about
Jul 31st 2024
551
                wtf
Jul 31st 2024
556
                he was just being sarcastic...he wont figure it out lol.
Jul 31st 2024
572
                     Hahaha.
Aug 01st 2024
586
                some folk just like going against the grain
Jul 31st 2024
559
      Dayum.
Jul 31st 2024
546
Trumps plan not to certify votes so votes
Jul 31st 2024
541
Ziklag: Secretive Christian Nationalist Network to Purge Voters in Battl...
Aug 02nd 2024
598
National Association of Black Journalists looks like clowns.
Jul 31st 2024
548
Nah
Jul 31st 2024
549
Disagree.
Jul 31st 2024
550
      No
Jul 31st 2024
554
           yeah...
Jul 31st 2024
555
           No
Jul 31st 2024
557
           Steve Harvey found out the hard way
Jul 31st 2024
558
                fam, this is a total shit show. NABJ looks worse than i could...
Jul 31st 2024
560
                Same thing he does everytime
Jul 31st 2024
562
                     it's not about pretending he doesn't exist.
Jul 31st 2024
563
                          That's what you're suggesting
Jul 31st 2024
565
                               yes.. ignore his ass because you already know what he will do
Jul 31st 2024
567
                               They will be the only ones
Jul 31st 2024
568
                               so solely because he's the candidate they should blindly...
Jul 31st 2024
569
                                    blindly.. No
Jul 31st 2024
574
                                         i never called anyone a coward. let's get that straight.
Jul 31st 2024
575
                                              I was wrong. You said it would make the NABJ look like clowns
Jul 31st 2024
577
                He's going to say that anyway
Jul 31st 2024
561
It's disappointing that news orgs continue to let him play them
Jul 31st 2024
552
that last part...he already is spinning it.
Jul 31st 2024
553
not going great for him
Jul 31st 2024
564
and that's the thing that kinda sucks.
Jul 31st 2024
566
      I think the sunlight is good
Jul 31st 2024
573
           RE: I think the sunlight is good
Jul 31st 2024
584
           his fans are saying he stood up to the media
Aug 01st 2024
585
                i'm not sure i'd worry about that too much.
Aug 01st 2024
587
                If independents see it the same
Aug 01st 2024
589
                if independents vote for Harris
Aug 01st 2024
590
                     Depends on the reson they vote for Harris
Aug 01st 2024
591
                theyre his fans
Aug 01st 2024
594
                     lol I had this exact same argument earlier.
Aug 01st 2024
595
                          I think having an actual opponent has him flailing
Aug 01st 2024
596
                               Yea they're imploding for sure.
Aug 01st 2024
597
Well, that was a disaster
Jul 31st 2024
570
also, you see they got him the fuck outta there @ Project 2025?
Jul 31st 2024
571
that was
Jul 31st 2024
578
      he was lying like usual
Jul 31st 2024
579
Howard Dean is somewhere punching air.
Jul 31st 2024
582
So is Al Franken
Jul 31st 2024
583
Joe & Kamala got Whelan and Gershkovich outta prison. W.
Aug 01st 2024
588
Yeah, I feel like this is a W. If they cut interest rates in September
Aug 01st 2024
592
      and, from what's being reported, Kamala had a BIG hand in...
Aug 01st 2024
593
team trump has lost their great champion Kyle rittenhouse
Aug 02nd 2024
599
UPDATE: Rittenhouse STFU and fell in line
Aug 02nd 2024
605
      prolly froze his accounts
Aug 03rd 2024
606
Judge Mathis> Judge Judy>Judge Wapner > Judge Joe Brown
Aug 02nd 2024
600
Judge Reinhold >>>>
Aug 02nd 2024
601
Not Judge Judy
Aug 02nd 2024
602
Joe Brown look fresh out of shawshank with that denim combo
Aug 02nd 2024
603
Judge Dredd, Judge Dread, & Judge Pigmeat Markham>>>>>>>>
Aug 02nd 2024
604
Elon Musk PAC using voter data to help Trump
Aug 03rd 2024
607
THIS shit is fucked up and needs to be investigated.
Aug 03rd 2024
608
Seems illegal
Aug 03rd 2024
609
"Weird? Hold My beer" -RFK
Aug 04th 2024
610
So many questions
Aug 04th 2024
611
fuckin psychopath.
Aug 04th 2024
612
who the fuck is wasting their vote on this nutjob?
Aug 05th 2024
613
I watched until he started talking about skinning a road kill bear
Aug 05th 2024
622
Yall got Stong feelings about VP choice?
Aug 05th 2024
614
Uhh Tim Kaine. I don't think that inquiry proved your point at all lol
Aug 05th 2024
615
yeah alot of VP picks are there to shore of the candidate's weak spot
Aug 05th 2024
617
horrible VP pick, but on-brand for establishment dem machine.
Aug 05th 2024
633
      Agreed with all of this.
Aug 06th 2024
645
my only STRONG feeling is i hope it's NOT Shapiro.
Aug 05th 2024
616
I think they floated him this weekend to get a reaction
Aug 05th 2024
620
      well not just that but like...
Aug 05th 2024
623
           Not the least of which is because it minimizes the impact ...
Aug 05th 2024
626
                exactly.
Aug 05th 2024
627
                plus he's had the gig for only a minute
Aug 05th 2024
631
Tim Kaine.. total snoozer.
Aug 05th 2024
618
Not really. I guess if it's she wants to share up a state...
Aug 05th 2024
619
hope it's not Beshear, local mutterings say he's cleared his immed. sche...
Aug 05th 2024
624
RE: Yall got Stong feelings about VP choice?
Aug 05th 2024
629
Hope it's Walz. Shapiro would be a bad pick
Aug 05th 2024
632
Predict the right’s next culture wars target
Aug 05th 2024
621
did anyone wear them in the HOF game?
Aug 05th 2024
625
Not sure, I didn’t catch any of it
Aug 05th 2024
628
dog parks...
Aug 05th 2024
630
Ol’ Don Beebe wearing helmet
Aug 05th 2024
634
Lol, wow. I could picture it in my head right when I read that.
Aug 06th 2024
651
I believe it was to help with concussions, him and Wallace were
Aug 06th 2024
675
Ha! Steve Wallace of the Niners had one of those too
Aug 06th 2024
657
      Yep, I remember that as well. Wallace was one of my favorite OL
Aug 06th 2024
674
if they put those brainiac helmets in games I may have to join them
Aug 05th 2024
637
they look ridiculous. There has to be a way to have the same protection
Aug 06th 2024
638
Whoever had tampons in the betting pool wins!
Aug 06th 2024
677
Trump says Google ‘has to be careful’ or it will be ‘shut down’
Aug 05th 2024
635
Vance’s wife fumbled trying to clean up his cat lady bullshit
Aug 05th 2024
636
Sent his wife to step on rakes
Aug 06th 2024
643
Can’t believe I’m waiting on edge for a VP announcement
Aug 06th 2024
639
CNN says its WALZ!!!
Aug 06th 2024
640
      Yeah
Aug 06th 2024
642
      What baggage did Shapiro have?
Aug 06th 2024
646
           racism, zionism, sexual misconduct all recently linked to him.
Aug 06th 2024
648
           Didn’t know about the sexism accusations
Aug 06th 2024
650
                I'm out of the loop, why would MI be gone?
Aug 06th 2024
661
                     cuz he's likely a zionist and MI has the largest arab-american...
Aug 06th 2024
663
           I felt the same way about securing PA
Aug 06th 2024
649
           agreed. and i think he can and will get (some) old whites there.
Aug 06th 2024
653
           648 and 650
Aug 06th 2024
660
      This Walz guy seems cool at first glance.
Aug 06th 2024
644
      Because those Trump policies are compelling?
Aug 06th 2024
654
           LOL.
Aug 06th 2024
658
           lulz
Aug 06th 2024
670
      So relieved about this.
Aug 06th 2024
647
      probably the best pick possible as it stands right now.
Aug 06th 2024
652
      I can ride with Walz
Aug 06th 2024
656
           oh for sure. i dunno if the racism and sex stuff was legit.
Aug 06th 2024
659
           Manufactured ?
Aug 06th 2024
669
           Walz is a legit very good pick
Aug 06th 2024
676
      we really knew last night. you know they can't hide nothing...
Aug 06th 2024
655
           yep! LOL
Aug 06th 2024
662
           All I know about Walz made an impression with the weird line
Aug 06th 2024
664
                My 24 hours of Walz rabbit hole has been fuflfilling.
Aug 06th 2024
665
                     i just saw a clip of him riding The Slingshot at the MN State Fair...
Aug 06th 2024
666
                     Yea the more I learn the more I like him, as a human.
Aug 06th 2024
667
                     everything I heard has been encouraging
Aug 06th 2024
668
                          Yea I think Walz helps galvanize the lefties.
Aug 06th 2024
671
Vance calls Walz pick "anti-semitic" lmao
Aug 06th 2024
672
Vance might be an even bigger dork than Cruz and DeSantis
Aug 06th 2024
673
I am just figuring out how astro-turfed all the Right Political "stars" ...
Aug 06th 2024
678
      Vance in particular is a fixture of that system
Aug 06th 2024
691
Therefore? Trump picking Vance is antisemitic
Aug 07th 2024
693
      right!?!
Aug 07th 2024
702
it appears that the biggest threat to a Kamala win is from Dems.
Aug 06th 2024
679
Totally.
Aug 06th 2024
680
every VP gets picked apart as soon as they are announced
Aug 06th 2024
681
oh i hear you.
Aug 06th 2024
682
Yikes.
Aug 06th 2024
683
double barrows* for real
Aug 06th 2024
685
cmon.. I’m talking about the one’s screaming antisemitism over Shapi...
Aug 06th 2024
686
tiki torch?
Aug 06th 2024
684
      Nah, just Black and not giving a fuck
Aug 06th 2024
687
Jewish Dems calling the Walz pick anti-semitic isn't a thing
Aug 06th 2024
688
GSD-(c) Shapiro lol
Aug 06th 2024
689
coach walz!!!
Aug 06th 2024
690
this was a fantastic introduction for Walz
Aug 07th 2024
692
The party with the sitting president usually goes second
Aug 07th 2024
696
knew nothing about this guy, but I love what I’ve seen
Aug 07th 2024
694
^^^^^^
Aug 07th 2024
695
exactly. not sure why it took Dems this long to do this.
Aug 07th 2024
698
We were so focused on calling Trump scary, dangerous.. a bully.
Aug 07th 2024
700
      A more simple, comedic, and less disdainful
Aug 07th 2024
701
71% of Americans knew nothing about him
Aug 07th 2024
699
I didn't either, but he comes off highly likeable
Aug 07th 2024
703
he was on Trump's council of govenors, LOL.
Aug 07th 2024
697
Lovable Coach vs. Lovin His Couch
Aug 07th 2024
704
oops. all that Kamala is a stronger candidate talk….cringey af rn
Nov 06th 2024
705

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1. "In this debate, Biden just has to dispel the perception that he's feeble"
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He needs to be sharp. Energetic. All that. It doesn't really matter what he says. Only how he says it.

I think Trump is probably going to try to be subdued. He's got to shake the perception that he is a revenge driven crazy man.

Nobody is going to be watching this debate to here their thoughts on issues. Just their demeanors

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2. "This happened in 2020 for sure. "
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One of Biden’s biggest strengths IMO is he’s very good in debates. There were questions last time about his age etc and he did that sarcastic smile which is real good.

I don’t agree re Trump. I think he’s more unhinged than he’s ever been and this cutting the mic thing could lead to some moments he’ll lose it at.

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48. "Well…sucks to be THIS wrong. "
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100. "Thank god it snowed level lol"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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3. "I wish we had better options "
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♥ Inescapably Me ♥

"Love is never any better than the lover" Toni Morrison (The Bluest Eye)

  

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4. "both these fools look too old for this shit"
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like they might die before the night is over.

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5. "lulz"
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6. "The possibility of Trump keeling over would be the only reason to watch"
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But if by some miracle we are lucky enough for that to happen, there’s always YouTube.

I’ve been exercising, eating healthy, sleeping a lot, avoiding alcohol, and my heart rate and blood pressure are immaculate. I’m not trying to fuck that up by watching that dicksnot’s antics.

  

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7. "smh.. Biden about to lose. That dude is too fucking old"
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8. "oh God"
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Biden not looking good.

Trump is just lying his way through it.

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11. "Biden cant even remember the question halfway though his answer"
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9. "I’m incredibly scared now. "
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10. "smdh"
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12. "So far Biden is incoherent 30% of the time "
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13. "Who you got to replace Biden?"
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In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
-Hunter S. Thompson

  

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14. "both are old as fuck, but one is clearly the better leader."
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I hate that our politics is boiled down to showmanship.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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15. "You mean speaker?"
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Being able to speak well =/= leadership.

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16. "I think he means Biden"
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but its hard to know given how bad he looks and sounds.

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19. "no, not speaker. leader. "
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biden is a leader. trump's a child.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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21. "Misunderstood. (And obviously, agreed.) "
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22. "all good."
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Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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17. "Welp. Democracy was nice. "
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102. "Quasi-democracy, but yes. Same sentiments here."
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Shit is bleak !!

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357. "I've said it before and I'll say it again"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWdfRRtAs3o

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18. "this country is fucked"
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20. "It’s over unless "
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Hopefully I’m wrong. Hopefully it’s all about the substance and not the age, looks, etc

>Feels like tonight is the official start. Let's get it
>cracking

  

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23. "watching this is making me physically ill"
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complete torture

  

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24. "Now's the time for Biden to drop out and endorse Kamala."
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And I actually think she can be a very strong candidate at this point.

He's done his duty. He'll have a great legacy in retrospect. But this is clearly the time for a magnanimous exit.

Kamala would be obliterating Trump in this debate.

  

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26. "Now? Its too late. The Dems should be ashamed "
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32. "Now's the perfect time."
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Kamala was much less popular at the start of the primary season. If he'd pulled out then, there would have been a very ugly primary with candidates attacking the incumbent administration. That's why incumbents lose when they face a serious primary.

Now, endorsing Kamala directly, and eventually having her nominated by acclimation at the convention, it remains clear that they're not making apologies for their record. And at the same time it washes away the core thing that undecided voters were worried about.

The central theme of this race is supposedly that we have two fatally flawed candidates. If suddenly we have a young black woman, a prosecutor running against a felon, it changes everything and puts Trump in an untenable spot that he won't even see.

  

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67. "well, its worth a shot"
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this shit was bad

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82. "has its own risks though and its pretty rich "
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seeing all these diehard Biden defenders (not just here...on Twitter many are losing their shit) switch lanes and try to gloss over the fact that some of us have been screaming this for a long time now.


Either way, Joe dropping out and endorsing Kamala has its own risks.

#1 It will (accurately) look like Democrats wanted to avoid a primary to protect her. Hell, one of their best soldiers just said that shit.
This will piss some voters off- you can't claim to be the party of democracy and annoint your candidate.

#2 Kamala looks good compared to Joe for sure. But what happens when she's asked about something like banning straws?? There is a reason she went from leading the pack to being on track to badly lose her home state last primary season. She is just as bad as Joe at retail politics.


If it was just debates? For sure. But the first interviewer to ask her a question she isn't prepared for is going to make her look like she popped the entire edible.


I don't know. Maybe people are so scared and desperate it would work.


But this should have happened a long time ago. Primaries aren't this horrible thing some like to make them out to be. Biden probably would have won in 16. Gore won the primary, and should have been president. Bush Sr won. Etc Etc.

Only Hillary freaks who have convinced themselves Bernie is the reason she lost are afraid of primaries.

Incumbant VPs often win primaries. Kamala probably wouldn't have, though. Which is why annointing her will piss a lot of people off. But like I said, given the situation, it might be worth it.

Biden aint it. He's too old, has too much baggage, and can't even bring up his successes.

I've been saying it for a while, but the arrogance is starting to feel a lot like 2016.




  

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86. "LOL if you think it would have gone alright..."
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to usurp the seniority of history's first black AND female vice President, or to expect a whole slate of the party's rising stars to go out and try to make a public case to usurp that seniority, then you're as naive as ever.

Of course she'd be anointed. She's the fucking vice president! We'd be switching her out for Gretchen or that empty haircut from California, why exactly?

But go ahead and write another treatise about how it's all so simple in your head.

  

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27. "You mean a Hail Mary?"
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>
>And I actually think she can be a very strong candidate at
>this point.
>
>He's done his duty. He'll have a great legacy in retrospect.
>But this is clearly the time for a magnanimous exit.
>
>Kamala would be obliterating Trump in this debate.

  

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34. "Why not?"
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Call it a magnanimous exit, though, not a Hail Mary. But Biden could make some Catholic jokes along those lines if he wants to defuse the accusations.

Donald Trump just said he's clearly still ready for the presidency because he just won "two club championships" at his own golf course. Kamala would be destroying him right now.

  

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47. "For the record, apparently Joe has a cold."
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Not that that changes the political consequences, but it partially explains why it went so much worse than other recent crunch events.

  

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49. "A cold that seems could kill the old guy"
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>
>Not that that changes the political consequences, but it
>partially explains why it went so much worse than other recent
>crunch events.

  

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52. "pneumonia???"
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53. "hopefully it’s COVID and it spreads easily"
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Were they 6 feet apart?

  

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60. "8 ft, but that would be an interesting coincidence."
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In the first 2020 debate, Trump HAD covid, presumably turned in a fake test result, and went in, before the vaccines existed. He didn't spread it to Joe but Trump and Chris Christie were in the hospital days later.

  

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69. "partially is doing a lot of work there"
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watch the howard stern interview from may 3rd: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz45sMb4js8

if you can't see that he's cooked there, you are not a good judge of people. stern kisses his ass and feeds him softballs about his life story. biden checks himself repeatedly with "anyway" when his steam runs out and is about to go off script. it's classic cognitive decline. can talk about 40 years ago...doesn't know what happened last week, can't maintain the thread during long sentences.

what were the other crunch events? a scripted state of the union speech? he hasn't been able to interact in real-time in years.

  

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76. "i dont mean to keep bashing the guy but there's a broader point"
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here. Trump embarassed Jeb Bush, Cruz etc in REAL-TIME during the 2016 debates. he took a bunch of republicans and slaughtered them one after the other. they all came into politics during a very different media era.

the internet, streaming video, podcasts, etc...the candidates democrats need to put forward have to be able to go on a podcast for 2 and a half hours, chop it up and appear trustworthy, authentic, competent, likeable. for his base, Trump is that. most of the politicians in office rn are cardboard cut-outs, teleprompter-dependent. there are new requirements, especially in national politics. the dems have ignored this for years, the republicans got lucky that Trump had the instinct for the moment. the dems have to adjust how they choose people. Hillary and Biden both hide from attention. Kamala off the cuff seems paralyzed--like she's always running some background calculation on how her words are going to translate to poll numbers. there's gotta be a better way. where are the new people?

  

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138. "WHY not put that out there before the debate?"
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I get maybe not wanting to seem like you're preemptively making excuses, but it doesn't seem like a big deal

is it that they were scared it would feed into accusations of him being on something? would've happened anyway if he did well

shit, he could have just said excuse my voice I've got a cold. Like anyone would

then again his voice sounded better after the debate so I don't really know what's going on

  

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80. "Kamala just looked damn strong on CNN."
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It started rough because she was in an impossible spot where he wouldn't stop inviting her to rush Joe out the door.

But by the end she was forcefully and convincingly making the administration's economic case stronger than I've ever seen Joe do it outside of a SOTU.

She's ready. Yeah there'd be ugliness ahead but there could be a huge upside when people see someone looking convincingly like a real Presidential candidate again.

  

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137. "fuck Anderson Cooper"
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>
>It started rough because she was in an impossible spot where
>he wouldn't stop inviting her to rush Joe out the door.
>
>But by the end she was forcefully and convincingly making the
>administration's economic case stronger than I've ever seen
>Joe do it outside of a SOTU.
>
>She's ready. Yeah there'd be ugliness ahead but there could be
>a huge upside when people see someone looking convincingly
>like a real Presidential candidate again.
>
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87. "so... fucked to really fucked"
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25. "tf are black and hispanic jobs lol"
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Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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140. "^^^^^^"
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28. "So far.."
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Trump lies. Vicious lies. Promises retribution. Goes after Biden's son. Supports Netanyahu's war to completely wipe out Palestine and finish the job. Calls Joe the "P" word - Palestinian. Trump says January 6th was a high point for economy. Says he "Never slept with a pornstar."

Joe stammers and is hoarse and appears old.

CNN calling it mightily for Trump so far.




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Gone: My Discogs collection for The Roots:
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30. "this whole thing is a waste of time."
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Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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29. "Biden should’ve pulled up LL Cool J - That’s a Lie on his phone"
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and everytime Trump talks, hit play on “that’s a lie! You’re a liar!”

  

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31. "Americans fight each other over these two."
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How silly. Our standards collectively have dropped.

  

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33. "Golf.."
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35. "fucking golf :("
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Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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36. "I've seen your swing"
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37. "Fuck a vote. We should just have them settle it all over 72 holes."
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39. "carrying their own bags "
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i would watch.

  

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101. "Biden's best line. Short and coherent."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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40. "These old fucks couldnt last an hour at Top Golf. "
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****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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41. "Uh.. Trump appears lively .. we can’t front "
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45. "because Biden looks dead"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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55. "He lives a completely sedentary life "
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If we are talking about them actually walking 18 holes AND carrying the bag

Neither makes it but Biden at least exercises

  

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56. "Stop it"
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>If we are talking about them actually walking 18 holes AND
>carrying the bag
>
>Neither makes it but Biden at least exercises

Trump would still outdo him. Just stop. Biden seems he can’t even tie his fucking shoes. It doesn’t mean you like Trump to admit shit.

  

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128. "neither are in shape"
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But my money is on Biden to finish more holes than the one who lives a completely sedentary life on Mcdonalds

this has nothing to do with me liking or not liking Trump.

  

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57. "nigga, Biden aint exercising. The man could barely walk to the podiu"
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****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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88. "I assume he has PT"
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94. "he has PTO"
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and he needs to use that shit.

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127. "he rides a bike lol"
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what is going on here

  

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129. "I'm 100% sure If I google "biden bike""
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I know what clip it's gonna show me

  

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38. "I hope Biden doesn’t glitch during his closing statements"
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43. "smh..."
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--
Sometimes you have to look reality in the face and say 'No!'
-Ben (Reaper)

If you need any help, don't. Hesitate to ask.

  

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44. "Someone should have insulted him during the break. "
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Only time he’s looked engaged was when he was angry.

This sucks.

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42. "Golf. They’re arguing about golf. Not the Gulf, but golf. The game."
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What the fuck.

-Sig-

“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

-All Stah's view on undocumented immigrants wanting to be treated like human beings.

  

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46. "Jill came out to help Biden walk off stage"
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61. "Maybe Jill should run for president... LOL!"
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50. "Van Jones crying already"
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51. "Biden isn't winning another election"
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Trump hate can't carry him

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54. "This is bullshit tho.. its still about the substance "
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Because Biden is old and appears feeble, doesn’t change that I’m and others are for what he is about and against what Trump and a republican administration is about.

>Trump hate can't carry him
>
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58. "Not to a lot of folks in here"
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These people aren’t trolling, they actually believe what they’re posting.

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64. "because we can't believe what we are seeing"
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Biden can't even brag about the shit he has done.

Dude is too fucking old.

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65. "RE: Not to a lot of folks in here"
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>These people aren’t trolling, they actually believe what
>they’re posting.

I know, and that’s sad. That it’s even close in polls etc.

  

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84. "wtf is wrong with you?"
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"People in here" are (rightfully) worried that Trump will win because people like you have spent at least the last year pretending he didn't present as a demented, grumpy, decaying, out-of-touch, genocidal corpse who forgot to drop dead.


News flash...wanting a better candidate means wanting the Democrats to win and for Trump and the GOP to lose.


Constantly refusing to ask more of your dear democrat leaders, and telling anyone who questions anything to "shut the fuck up and vote" or whatever you said in that other thread is hustling backwards.

People like you who plugged your ears and closed your eyes to reality is at least partially why we are in this mess.

  

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59. "This aint about you or us, its about swing state voters"
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no one cares about substance

Biden cant complete 4 words.. all those lies and Biden couldn’t put words together to call him out.

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73. "RE: This aint about you or us, its about swing state voters"
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>no one cares about substance
>
>Biden cant complete 4 words.. all those lies and Biden
>couldn’t put words together to call him out.

I agree. And at this point “everybody knows” his lies so he doesn’t even have to call them out really, we all do fact checking during the debate

  

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91. "every word out of trump's mouth was a lie. how do you even keep up?"
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>all those lies and Biden
>couldn’t put words together to call him out.

that format didn't lend itself to countering nonstop insanity on a fact by fact basis

seems like maybe you'd need to call out trump's credibility as a whole which would be very easy to do given his laundry list of transgressions. and just be absolutely relentless about it. biden skimmed the surface on that stuff but didn't go anywhere near as hard as he could have and should have. but what can ya do he's an old man - he's not built for this.

  

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143. "this is a technique, apparently"
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop#:~:text=During%20a%20Gish%20gallop%2C%20a,format%20of%20a%20formal%20debate.

  

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62. "You're basically saying people will vote for an empty shell"
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Like the candidate doesn't matter

People don't vote for a platform

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71. "RE: You're basically saying people will vote for an empty shell"
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>Like the candidate doesn't matter
>
>People don't vote for a platform

The platform matters in this case. This isn’t 1979. We are in post Thanos snap. If Biden was in life support I’d still vote for him and want him to win. The candidate DOES matter of course but come on.. since last election the undecided vote was some bullshit.

  

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75. "Two things can be true. "
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Is anyone in here who is critical of Biden going to vote for Trump? Fucking of course not.

Doesn’t mean he should be running against Trump. He’s done a good job, and - though he has problems - is going to be remembered as a good president at a minimum. He’s still too old and feeble and there’s a real, serious issue that a lot of voters just witnessed.

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79. "RE: Two things can be true. "
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>Is anyone in here who is critical of Biden going to vote for
>Trump? Fucking of course not.

That’s my point


>Doesn’t mean he should be running against Trump. He’s done
>a good job, and - though he has problems - is going to be
>remembered as a good president at a minimum. He’s still too
>old and feeble and there’s a real, serious issue that a lot
>of voters just witnessed.

As Odonnel(so) on msnbc said, for being old and almost 80, Joe is actually doing well and polls being close for someone in his condition is not bad.

  

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81. "You are all over the map or just being "
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Completely unclear.

As you said the polls are close, so clearly substance isn't the only thing that matters.

Same for platforms.


Ask 2016. You can't just say "well, substance is all that SHOULD matter" because...tough shit. You have to be likable. And not old as fuck.


>
>As Odonnel(so) on msnbc said, for being old and almost 80, Joe
>is actually doing well and polls being close for someone in
>his condition is not bad.

Did you just quote msnbc to defend Biden?

Cmon man.


No one in here wants Trump to win. Which is why most serious people are very concerned. Some of us for a while.

  

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83. "RE: You are all over the map or just being "
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>
>Completely unclear.
>
>As you said the polls are close, so clearly substance isn't
>the only thing that matters.
>
>Same for platforms.
>
>
>Ask 2016. You can't just say "well, substance is all that
>SHOULD matter" because...tough shit. You have to be likable.
>And not old as fuck.
>
>
>>
>>As Odonnel(so) on msnbc said, for being old and almost 80,
>Joe
>>is actually doing well and polls being close for someone in
>>his condition is not bad.
>
>Did you just quote msnbc to defend Biden?
>
>Cmon man.
>
>
>No one in here wants Trump to win. Which is why most serious
>people are very concerned. Some of us for a while.
>

I don’t know what you’re criticizing my statements about? Am I going back and forth? Or that me saying a bad looking candidate does make a difference even if he’s the ethical choice? I think in saying if that’s what you mean, I think ultimately an old guy like Biden inside yes, but most folks would still vote for him at this point because that what we have. A poor performance won’t make a supporter cease to vote for him. I’m not denying him being feeble isn’t worrisome but at this point what else can be done? Can a newer candidate be placed in?

  

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85. "RE: You are all over the map or just being "
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>I don’t know what you’re criticizing my statements about?
>Am I going back and forth? Or that me saying a bad looking
>candidate does make a difference even if he’s the ethical
>choice?

Like someone said it isn't about us, its about swing voters. And yes they will swing the other way for stupid shit.

I think in saying if that’s what you mean, I think
>ultimately an old guy like Biden inside yes, but most folks
>would still vote for him at this point because that what we
>have.

Or they will stay home. The anti-trump energy isn't as high as 2020. A lot of young people and progressive feel betrayed. And he looks more and more demented every day.

All it takes is the right amount of voters to stay home. I'm not saying its right, but pretending voters will just do the sensible thing is not smart strategy.

A poor performance won’t make a supporter cease to
>vote for him. I’m not denying him being feeble isn’t
>worrisome but at this point what else can be done? Can a
>newer candidate be placed in?
>

I have no idea. I guess technically the convention hasn't happened yet. Annointing Kamala has risks but it might be worth it.

Joe and the dem establishiment should have put arrogance aside and just pretended/acted like this was his last term.

  

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90. "The "Ron DeSantis is the next president" guy has thoughts"
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A lot of you players ain't okay.

We would have been better off with an okaycivics board instead of an okayactivist board

  

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63. "Someone said Joe sound like Silkk the Shokerr.."
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Joe old af. His only hope is a long Trump prison sentence that sticks.

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72. "Like The D.O.C. .. like Miles Davis with strep"
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66. "Trump certainly outperformed Biden. Gotta hope people check the facts."
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Whatever cognitive cocktail Trump was on needs to be in stores.

  

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74. "Joe made Trump look young. "
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78. "Can't deny that. "
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I do think Trump was sharper with the lies & personal attacks than usual but that can be debated.

  

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95. "^^^^Absolutely the worst part of it."
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And then Kamala Harris spoke afterwards and you saw what a younger sharp personal command of the facts sounds like.

Then you watch Biden debate from the VP elections in 2012 to see how much he lost.

It was a lot worst than I expected.

Oh well.


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68. "it's really sad that these are our fucking choices."
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70. "."
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I got such a fucking headache.



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77. "sounds like I made the right decision in not watching "
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*self back pat*

  

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89. "proceeded to torture myself with clips instead "
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:(

  

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92. "no escaping it!! "
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and not even Handle can spin this shit.

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97. "man I was on the fence. Even when I shut it off midway, I ended up "
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turning it back on intermittently hoping the shot in Joe's ass kicked in, but nah

  

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93. "The presidency ages you like dog years"
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which lets you know Trump didn’t do shit because that bastard did not age out like the rest of them.

You can tell he didn’t put in the hours like Obama and them.

Biden was jogging, biking and shit 3 years ago. This nigga looks like he shits himself every night.

Joe Bedpan.. smh.

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99. "True. But even for us regular, non-president folk ..."
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... I feel like once you hit 70, shit can change, take a 180 for you, overnight. Like you can be spry af and riding bikes and running down runways etc. etc. etc. then wake up the next morning drooling and slurring. I'm sure we've all seen it with a loved one or a friend's loved one, or something.


>which lets you know Trump didn’t do shit because that
>bastard did not age out like the rest of them.
>
>You can tell he didn’t put in the hours like Obama and them.
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>Biden was jogging, biking and shit 3 years ago. This nigga
>looks like he shits himself every night.
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>Joe Bedpan.. smh.

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103. "Need to cap the presidency at age 62. "
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No one should be in Government past the age of retirement.

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96. "It's early"
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I mean, it's not actually early, but it feels like a whole bunch more stuff is going to happen that makes a shitty debate look small. Like a dozen international tensions that can go even more sideways, including a couple wars. Maybe a new pandemic. An urgent health concern for one or both of these horrifying, ancient creeps.

Some of the professional politics-knowers that propped Biden up for the last year are bailing. In what will assuredly be a serious blow to liberals my parents' age, the NYT opinion section may be waving the white flag of "he's a decent man, but..." eulogies. But since they're not capable of admitting they're wrong, seems possible they'll just wait out the news cycle on this. Show some furrowed brows on TV. Take the "he's got a cold angle" as far as it goes before it insults the wrong people's intelligence. Accuse anybody who pushes Biden out the door too loudly (or too specifically in favor of the wrong person) of crass ageism.

I don't know, which I guess is why I still think it's early. I hope the above doesn't happen because it's boring and probably bad for the country, but it seems like easiest move to just memoryhole this and browbeat the usual suspects (the left flank of the party) into submission. Maybe it's possible to do that in the service of pushing a Harris nomination but I don't think the party is broadly disciplined enough to make that work for somebody who isn't a literal incumbent. The moment somebody else important thinks "I can be president" then she may have to actually prove she can beat people. Plus a big, wild contested convention could be really fun. Choosing our leader by yelling and throwing shit like a proper country.

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98. "Watching the dynamics of the Modi scare really made me realize "
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the level of complexity politics has the possibility of functioning with

The number of parties locally and nationally working in larger umbrella groups is really interesting, and how Modi had to soften his edge to win shows that smaller factions can swing national politics.

I saw the NYT op-ed this morning and I had to say, this one time, maybe they're right. Still click-bait because the guy went on to say if the Republicans had any spine they would force Trump to bow out similarly

Speaking of international tensions, I blame Netanyahu for pushing such a hard line during Biden's term. He may be actually trying to capitalize on the Evangelical push for securing a Jewish homeland. And Zelenskyy (and maybe Eastern European NATO countries) are for sure walking around with a look of horror today

edit: Modi scare = the rest of the world's hope

  

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133. "So do you think there's a model there?"
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India is way bigger and way older than us, and its role in the non-aligned movement during the Cold War and proximity to US fr/enemies in the War on Terror means that its recent history is also ... really weird. But the most explicit difference doesn't require unraveling all of that, right? They've got two big political parties but a bunch of small-but-legitimate ones that can hold real, specific power. Here, it's just a matter of two large political parties (that don't really have "members" in the traditional sense) trying to shepherd amorphous political constituencies into the bare participatory minimum of occasionally voting and donating money.

That's actually more common worldwide, isn'tit? Where if you want nationwide political power, you're not making speeches and doing posts for hockey moms or divorced guys who own jet ski dealerships - you're making deals with actual political parties with stated principles and objectives. And you've got to hold up those deals because they were explicitly bartered as political and aren't the result of weird internet moralizing.

The left in America has lost. Like *lost*. Did universal healthcare or free college even get mentioned last night? Every priority that the Sanders movement managed to bring to national prominence is an afterthought just four years later. The Democratic Party has found a nice lane of positioning itself as the only viable way to fight fascism and therefore, freed itself to solely determine the contours of that fight - what the biggest threat is; how to fight it; who is allowed to fight it; whose principles/lives must be compromised in order to fight it; etc.

That's not going to be upended any time soon. If Biden wins this election (which I think he still can), the model works. If Biden doesn't win the election, they'll blame the left flank of the party because securing that "only viable way" status is necessary for their survival. So the left, even the amorphous "progressives" who've tried to carve out a niche as left-wing-but-not-socialists so they don't get blamed, is going to have to eat shit for another election cycle either way. When this happens, people always say "focus on local elections" and I took that to mean that they believed there was some kind of intuitive promotion process where candidates proved their mettle from, like, school board to senator. But I was stupid to think that. It actually means to become heavy; a body that must be bargained with because scolding isn't going to work.

So I got an example, and it doesn't matter what you think of Democratic Socialists of America. Just a hypothetical based on a real trend. DSA has five (soon to be four with Bowman's departure) current members in Congress and about 200 state/local office-holders nationwide. That's not very many, though it's enormous compared to 10-15 years ago. And there's some budding political strength in some particular geographic areas. 6/50 alderpeople of the Chicago City Council are DSA members. Let's say by the 2028 presidential election, that number is closer to 10 and there's a good block of around 5,000 DSA members who are not only reliable votes/withholders but are willing to canvas/donate for endorsed candidates.

What do we do then? Use that small-but-not-nothing size to keep a foot in the door of the Democratic Party? Maybe gain some veto power over Democratic candidates for national office coming out of the city? That's about five congressional seats, all presently Democrat, and obviously a Senate candidate can't whiff in the city.

Or do you stay local and small-c conservative? Try to build those ten alderpeople into 15-20. Use that sway to get a favorable mayor (there's one now but he doesn't seem long for that role) and maybe start to make some local changes that the nationwide right wing media is going to accuse you of anyhow. One of the DSA alderpeople has advocated for a public takeover of ComEd, for instance. Break the police union. Meaningfully invest in public education. You know, socialist stuff.

I suppose that doesn't have to be an either/or, though my preference for the latter direction comes from thinking that playing for nationwide political influence will dilute local power. But I don't really know anything. I haven't been seriously politically involved for a few years now. Mostly justifying that by my job, which is exhausting but also gives me the opportunity to make kids more open to socialism. That's not actually doing politics but it's easy to pretend. But in any case, I'm about to move out of DC and this election cycle is only proving how thoroughly the left has been elbowed out of the paint in this country in spite of having substantially better numbers than it did a decade ago. Might be time to actually start going to meetings and doing shit in my new city. Sigh.

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142. "running on something tangible and delivering"
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an idea a friend and i talked about today...haven't dug into any research on the legal ins and outs. she knew some $$ figures and thought it plausible...bullshitting we decided that a tangible low hanging fruit is...

free high speed internet access.

maybe you give it to people below a certain income threshold. maybe you debut it in a swing state or two (again unsure of legality of how you decide who gets it).


the catch? a lot of the left has come to hate elon musk and he's got the space junk to do it.

anyway that was our idea for delivering the good. you open up your browser and get a splash screen of Joe vacuously staring into the ether with a caption below saying YOU'RE WELCOME.

  

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214. "Yeah, it's been a week and a half and this seems a universe away"
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High Speed Joe is a good idea. My general view is that universal programs are the ones that stick around, because if you give it to everybody then getting rid of it means rich people lose it too. But you're probably right that dodging legal hangups would be important.

Feels crazy to talk about doing something free and material for people's lives. It was probably crazy when you wrote it too, but the only decision tree we're going to live in for the foreseeable future is the one where we argue about the state of Joe Biden's consciousness and the political implications either way.

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216. "shit I just now saw this"
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I just noticed after the recent Indian election that larger political umbrella groups rely on smaller local parties for support. But the smaller parties retain their political identity and name.

Here is a breakdown of the I.N.D.I.A. umbrella alliance, of which the Indian National Congress is the leading party. There are three national parties (one of which is outright Marxist) and 35 state parties. All with their own distinct mission and political flavor. But the end mission of the alliance is summarized in the Wiki as follows: "According to the Congress president Mallikarjun Kharge, the alliance's ideology revolves around the principles of developmentalism, inclusivity, and social justice. By combining their efforts, the member parties aim to protect democratic values, promote welfare and progress, and counter what they perceive as an ideology that threatens the idea of India. It was formed with the objective of defeating the incumbent BJP led NDA in the 2024 Indian general election." I think a political focus on social justice and common welfare, as well as the protection of democratic representation for all citizens, is something American non-socialist progressives can easily identify with. But it would be interesting to see if the more moderate parties in the alliance are also openly ashamed of the more left-leaning parties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_National_Developmental_Inclusive_Alliance

As far as the left losing, or being forgotten...
I think pressures from conflict in Ukraine and Israel have successfully dampened the surprising push behind the democratic socialist agenda as spearheaded by Bernie. The anti-war call for total divestment from the war machine was hard to rally behind when people saw Ukraine as needing military support from a legitimate bad-guy invader. The safe liberal and the moral left were torn asunder in the public sphere by voicing support for either Israel or Palestine. The internal schism is overall not good for placing a common focus on combating actual aggression from right wing evangelicals, fascists, and chuds (and the oligarchs that astroturf them)

The decision between national power versus local / small 'c' conservative effort you cited is very thought-provoking. I was previously in a small organization that had links with a lot of non-profits all over the city and nationally, but I just don't have the time to spend my weekends having small meetings, for small events, for small outcomes given work and home life. So now, I just read as much as I can and pay dues to my local DSA chapter, while I hope that one day 'the left' I see coming out in droves for small publishing-house book fairs and 'acts of artivism' across the city actually organize beyond their email lists and screenings and do some political work that is more earnest.

I would love to participate or see more of this to be honest: "Try to build those ten alderpeople into 15-20. Use that sway to get a favorable mayor (there's one now but he doesn't seem long for that role) and maybe start to make some local changes that the nationwide right wing media is going to accuse you of anyhow. One of the DSA alderpeople has advocated for a public takeover of ComEd, for instance. Break the police union. Meaningfully invest in public education."

A lot of folks including myself have become cynical and view the reality of local politics in New York City as so corrupted by money that there will never be significant progress. But I love the local DSA and progressive representation I have been seeing more of though.

  

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107. "Problem is it really isn't a time heals the situation. "
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Gaffes and even crimes look like less a big deal over time. Age doesn't really work that way.

Bruh needs to be on TV every day looking vibrant AF to counter that performance.

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125. "Oh, nothing is getting healed"
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This is Biden. This has been Biden, but he wasn't really campaigning until now. That's not really a fixable problem, but since we're only permitting the people who caused it (Biden and the liberal priestly class who've propped him up) to address it - it's probably not going to get meaningfully addressed. Just papered over with the only move they've won with lately: disciplining the left.

That probably won't work, but I don't think Biden's minders are that bothered by the possibility of losing this election. Running the country is hard. Opposing Trump offers an unambiguous career direction for them. Plus, they might win. There's going to be a ton of other weird stuff that happens over the next four months that mean we'll forget all about last night.

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141. "agreed"
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>but I don't think Biden's minders
>are that bothered by the possibility of losing this election.
>Running the country is hard. Opposing Trump offers an
>unambiguous career direction for them.

democratic party careerists. operatives looking for which rocketship to hitch their 401k to...this is what is happening currently all along the dem party whisper network

(haven't read longass modi post...will print it and read on the subway tmw).

  

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105. "Nazi v Corpse"
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And the debate was pretty fucking predictable.

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106. "i don't know a lot about him, though i do know he's a popular name..."
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but the only person i saw on TV last night that looked like a president was Gavin Newsome.

i do know he has some progressive stuff that Repubs would make a meal of and serve to their base, but that guy would DEFINITELY roll Trump up and smoke him like a legalized joint.

like, can we just have someone competent with a little charisma...is that too much to ask??!?!?!

  

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108. "I think everybody BUT Californians like him"
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But only dude I can think of that has the youth, charisma, and record to win a presidency

  

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110. "I’m a Californian and I like him. So do most Californians "
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Progressive and far left Californians don’t because they feel like he isn’t progressive enough.

He would absolutely destroy Trump and any Republican in a debate. Could he win a general? Perhaps he could win this year against Trump due to trumps age and crimes. One of his biggest liabilities, having an affair on his ex wife (Kimberley Guilfoyle of all people) wouldn’t be a problem against someone like Trump.

  

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112. "i had to google Guilgoyle."
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she's Donald Jr. FIANCE?!?!?!

wow, talk about a heel turn. shit, he could spin cheating on her just off that.

  

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114. "lol true"
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>shit, he could spin cheating on
>her just off that.

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113. "Cheating on her is a plus with most Dems"
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that woman is crazy

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116. "fam, that's what i'm saying. that's an EASY spin."
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he could just go "clearly, you can see she lied about her values. she wasn't the woman she claimed to be" or some shit.

everyone would just be like "yup."

  

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118. "“and you see why I left the relationship”"
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that’s easy money right there.

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122. "got u ok. Yeah I see criticism about him on IG and online"
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never had a chance to ask Cali folks about him

And damn I had no idea about guilfoyle's past with him that is fucking wild

  

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136. "Uh no they don’t lol..however he will be president 2029"
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>Progressive and far left Californians don’t because they
>feel like he isn’t progressive enough.
>
>He would absolutely destroy Trump and any Republican in a
>debate. Could he win a general? Perhaps he could win this year
>against Trump due to trumps age and crimes. One of his biggest
>liabilities, having an affair on his ex wife (Kimberley
>Guilfoyle of all people) wouldn’t be a problem against
>someone like Trump.

  

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109. "Slicky boy scumbag. There’s so many other good Dems out there"
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Whitmer in Michigan, Shapiro in PA (man’s a DAWG)

Newsome is a bogus scoundrel. I have a hard time respecting someone who imposed the toughest covid restrictions in the country then went to dinner with a grip of people maskless.

  

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111. "i'm not saying he's the best choice by any means."
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maybe he is, maybe he isn't. i don't know.

but, i will say, i don't even know who the other leading dems are that would actually have a shot.

i mean, as sad as it is to say, i do feel like you have to be a BIT of a snake oil salesman to be a good president. not to have good policies, but to be able to sell those policies to voters, especially voters that might not be fully in your camp.

  

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115. "Yea. I like Whitmer a lot, but ..."
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... in a general election, Newsom's a bigger name, and let's face it, a man. He'd be a better pick for the DNC than Whitmer, even if ideally/ideologically I'm a bigger fan of Whitmer than Newsom.

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117. "Anyone with a pulse is better than Biden"
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Kamala looked like a pro in her interview.

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120. "sadly, i don't think they ever pull the plug on an incumbent..."
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and it's sad because i actually think right now is the PERFECT time for Kamala.

i think EVERYONE wants a change from an old white man, even repubs (they'd probably prefer a young white man, but still), and obviously she'd help shore up black voters (or so I'd assume) and she'd appeal to women, regardless of race, even a fair amount of moderate republican ones.

  

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134. "Kamala will be another Joe in that"
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for every 'good' moment for her, there will be a cringe one

or two




  

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153. "I’d take her nervous cackle over Joe’s fucking vapor locks "
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that dude was stuck

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121. "As a Californian I could care less about the dinner at French Laundy"
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The things that upset me about Newsom are among the lines of him allowing Net Metering 3.0 pass which has crippled residential solar in California and was a huge win for the investor owned utilities. I am also a bit upset he is going to basically reverse the restaurant transparency/junk fee bill.

  

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123. "Fake outrage over the French Laundry dinner is laughable."
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Obviously the optics were bad but he didn't break any rules; he went to an open restaurant which was open according to his policies. They were seated outside at socially distanced tables adhering to the protocols in place. I'd rather reserve my outrage for something that matters, such as:

>The things that upset me about Newsom are among the lines of
>him allowing Net Metering 3.0 pass which has crippled
>residential solar in California and was a huge win for the
>investor owned utilities. I am also a bit upset he is going to
>basically reverse the restaurant transparency/junk fee bill.



  

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119. "I've always felt that he's been focusing his attention on 2028."
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Even hinting at challenging an incumbent from within your own party has never been a recipe for success.

To echo the poster above, I live here, like him, and have voted for him. Most Californians I know like him too, though I live in the Bay which admittedly has never offered a good gauge to determine how the rest of the state feels.

Regardless, the worst thing that can happen to a state is a governor wanting to run for a president. Newsom has been raising his profile nationally, which often doesn't play well for any politician within their own state. Californians (like all Americans) are having a tough time with rising inflation, housing prices, gas prices, and all products/services. Moreover, wages haven't kept pace. Therefore, they are likely to blame the person at the top regardless of whether he had something to do with it or not.

He also needs to shake the fact that he's largely viewed nationally as a super rich nepotist.

  

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124. "Gavin is sleazy Obama "
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He's slick, sharp tounged, good looking, charismatic as fuck, but I wouldn't buy a used car from him, or even an end table

He's also a bad governor. He gets by alot on personality. i voted for Gavin twice, and I'd vote for a bag of leaves over trump, but that's not really relevant. He aint winning a swing state.

  

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126. "Yeah man states like PA and MI ain't going for him"
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maybe he should cosplay in Coachella Carhartt like Fetterman

  

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131. "He's more John Edwards than John Kennedy."
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132. "Edwards parents were working class"
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...then he became a lawyer.

Newsom's dad managed the finances of the Gettys.

tied in to the highest level of the state political/ $ machine from birth. has affairs and gets away with it (unlike edwards) much closer to a Kennedy.

  

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139. "milieu..."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v-rIWUAQuI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vXurSgwgWU

  

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130. "he is movie star handsome and charismatic and tall"
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Maybe he's got a chance in 2028, but he might be too sneaky?...fake?..for your average voter.

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159. "Newsom looks like the guy in Batman movies that starts off good..."
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...but halfway through the movie you realize that he's really the villain.

  

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135. "Monday morning quarterbacking: we gon be alright (c) Kendrick"
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144. "Welp..CNN poll (for what it's worth)"
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-debate-should-biden-be-running-mental-abilities/


POLITICS
Increasing numbers of voters don't think Biden should be running after debate with Trump — CBS News poll


HOLY SHIT.

Look at those responses especially around "Will you be better off finically."

But, on June 8th the polls said Biden is not fit 65%, that moved to 72%.






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145. "^^^ Fake news y'all got this."
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Someone at work told me Trump's receiving 20% of the black american vote and they relied on black Americans to remain in power this long. Now that support is waning things look grim to some people.

Not to me personally because y'all got this win in the bag. Asian, latino, lgbt, white women, and feminists carry y'all to a landslide victory.

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

"root for everybody black haters say that's crazy, wow..."

  

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146. "Someone at work told you something?"
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147. "He's clearly lying..."
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Because Biden earns a solid 80% minimum of the black
vote. Democrats can win back Trump voters but have a long-term problem with black voters that remain home. That's the bigger issue but ignore that because y'all Democrats have this election in the bag.

Telling prospective black voters to shut up and vote because appointed someone with black skin and passed legislation for everyone earns you this outcome.

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

"root for everybody black haters say that's crazy, wow..."

  

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148. "your sarcasm needs work"
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149. "Overall, the polls didn't change. Biden still down 6 in CNN poll"
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Potential replacements (Newsome, Whitmore) poll about the same as Biden. Kamala Harris is the exception. She is pretty much tied with Trump.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/02/politics/cnn-poll-post-debate/index.html,

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150. "link broken"
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151. "yeah I think I'm on board with the Kamala thing"
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Its risky as fuck for a variety of reasons but this geezer motherfucker won't even take questions on a horrible day for "democracy"

And if he can't do that, he can't make people forget about the debate.


He was already down in the polls and unpopular. He was old in 2020 but now he looks, sounds, and moves like's hes 1000 years old.

He's fucking toast.


Kamala + some VP who balances her weaknesses.


I think its worth the risk.


I don't think its going to happen though. Biden is too fucking arrogant. His circle is a bunch of ass kissers. Too many people's careers and legacy are tied to his- including powerful dems like Obama.

And democrats- in their utter fucking brilliance- have been saying stupid shit like "Biden is the only one capable of beating Trump" etc.

  

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152. "my only issue is if Kamala fails it would ruin her career"
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154. "wait, really? I'd say this is her best shot, honestly"
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I don't see her winning a straight up primary.

I also think running against Trump is her best bet in a general.


  

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156. "its a tricky situation "
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I don’t feel like she could win on her own in the primaries

yet, being given the nom and losing would surely be the end for her.

but this is probably the closest she can get.

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155. "Biden talks about hot weather (July 2)"
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https://www.c-span.org/video/?536728-1/president-biden-remarks-extreme-weather

kjp keeping the cope alive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J57GYW9-iOs

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copy paste of what i sent a friend:

biden read poorly from teleprompter discussing heatwaves. press sec KJP is talking him up but it is very hollow. reports that Hunter Biden has been with Biden all week urging him to stay in (which will read very bad).

big prediction market swing i think after his heatwave appearance. predictit has 49--35--11 biden, kamal, gavin newsom of who will be the candidate. (after biden was as high as 69 twenty hours ago).

family with him. this press conf with KJP...it is abundantly clear this charade of covering for him is not sustainable for another month let alone 4+ more years.

i expect within 2 weeks he'll be out. there is no way they can run him. horrible for the democrats if they do.
the hunter biden story is an aspect that dems like to glide over. but it really cuts the moral high ground Biden can claim at its knees. cuz its not working class drug addiction...its weird wheeling dealing with ukraine china industrialists....and nepo-son cocaine psychosis...its impregnating a poor stripper and not acknowledging the love child. it's sordid...not relatable. and now he's in his dad's ear saying "you got this, pa!".

very easy for trump to hit back with that...it's way closer to Biden than the legally-tangled charges trump is facing. abstract felonies vs son snorting asscrack remedies

so it's not the cognitive decline of a perfect candidate. he's got vulnerabilities. two very serious wars. and ZERO ability to win by speaking to the people in a convincing way.

he hasn't done anything requiring extemporaneous response since the debate and we're coming up on a week later. writing is on the wall.

who will be pulling the strings and what will happen....no idea.

this is pretty inspiring tho: https://x.com/JakeOrthwein/status/1807230424126792077

  

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160. "they should've let the hunter Biden thing cook in 2020"
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I feel like the only reason it's still around now is because the attempts at suppression then. I get the reasoning for the panic, they didnt want it to become Comey 2.0 but it backfired miserably. Story probably would've faded in a cpl days.

I still see no reason to care about Hunter Biden it outside of tthe attempts to censor discussion. Ok the guy's a PoS, but he's not the president. Even if he traded on the family name, and Joe knew or his hands are dirty in some aspect... still dont really care and I dont think it puts biden anywhere near equal moral fitting with Trump. Tbh I still hate the Trump boys more for shooting Elephants

Almost impressed that the same people who are like 'omg stfu about Jan 6 already' managed to convince so many people that a crackheads laptop should be what we're talking about instead

>this is pretty inspiring tho:
>https://x.com/JakeOrthwein/status/1807230424126792077

She really wanted to make that line happen. I don't think its all that bad but it speaks to her as a politician. Obama couldve pulled hat line off easily. Barack or Michelle

  

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167. "what's interesting is that hunter may be joe's best shot"
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it's a long shot but the strategy i'd pursue is less detail, more character. the debate performance: clearly joe biden was coached in a "memorize these paragraphs and deploy them when x y z come up". so they had him trying to jam them in when a topic came up...memorized statistics, accomplishments, comparisons to Trump's record. his fluid intelligence is way down, so he bombed. he can't do the detail dance.

but just like trump doesn't care about the detail, is more a battle rapper, vibe slinger...this is something biden could do. go ultra-moralizing and stay relentless, forget numbers and specifics. coach him up on moral arguments vs policy. "you're the sucker and loser". forget the high ground and unleash his loathing (shared by many of us).

i actually think hunter is the person closest to him who might be able to sell him on a strategy like this. they need to forget the strategy of detail and fact-repeating if they have any shot.

he's too cooked for policy. can he break through the shit-for-brains, shit-for-contact-with-americans robotic dem establishment advice and start talking to the american people like he talks behind closed doors? shed the phony packaging and start sparring like he did behind closed doors for years as a legislator?

i think probably not but it's his only hope. he's 81. 4 years as president. 8 years as VP. 4 years of trump. VP is a job where you have nothing really to do. no one counts on you for much. so he started getting old in a job that isnt very important. then when he tried to ramp back up as prez, he had lost it.

bob dole was i think 73 in 1996. and he was too old. 81! the level of delusion rn is skyhigh. he needs to go. my prediction rn is he drops out, kamala runs and loses.


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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/tensions-biden-family-aides-spill-rcna160468


"Among Biden’s closest advisers, there has often been an acknowledgment that Biden is at his best when he is off the cuff and unscripted."

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"Hunter Biden’s stepped-up involvement has confounded some White House staff members and revived a longtime sore spot.

For the family, this is all about “old wounds being reopened,” particularly with Bauer and Dunn and their recommendations about Hunter Biden maintaining a lower profile than he has in the last two years, said a source familiar with family and staff dynamics.

Michael LaRosa, former White House communications chief to the first lady, defended Hunter Biden’s involvement in political affairs, saying that as a Yale-educated attorney, the president’s son has demonstrated savvy.

“He was far more effective at media strategy and political knife-fighting than the campaign has been so far and they have $250 million,” LaRosa said in an interview.

“At the end of the day, extremely close to his children, brothers and his sister, and values their unfiltered advice … and it would make sense that they’re frustrated if they feel like they’re on the outside looking in.”

Asked to comment on Hunter’s presence at White House meetings this week, White House spokesman Andrew Bates said in a statement, “Hunter came back with the President from their family weekend at Camp David and went with the President straight into speech prep,” referring to Biden’s preparation for remarks about the Supreme Court’s presidential immunity decision. "

  

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157. "Biden to stop doing events past 8pm"
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https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/04/politics/biden-governors-sleep/index.html

CNN

President Joe Biden told Democratic governors during a meeting at the White House on Wednesday that part of his plan going forward is to stop scheduling events after 8 p.m. so that he can get more sleep, according to three sources briefed on his comments.

The White House did not immediately comment about what the president said. A Biden campaign aide argued that, as well as doing debate prep in the week after his two trips to Europe, Biden was engaged in hours of official work in addition to the hours of campaign work.

“President (George W.) Bush went to bed at 9, and President (Barack) Obama made dinner at 6:30,” said Biden campaign spokesperson Kevin Munoz. “Normal presidents strike a balance, and so does Joe Biden. Hardly the same rigor as Donald Trump, who spends half of his day ranting on Truth Social about plans that would cause a recession and the other half golfing.”

Biden also made a joke to the governors that didn’t go over well: “I’m fine — I don’t know about my brain, though.” Jen O’Malley Dillon, Biden’s campaign chairwoman, said the president was “clearly making a joke and then said, ‘All kidding aside.’”

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158. "its over, the man is too fucking old to do 4 more years"
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shame on his staff for clinging to power and hiding his declining health.


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161. "saying when Bush and Obama went to bed is irrelevant "
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They were in their 50s

I forgot what they called trump's schedule there was a name for it because he did 6 hour days or something

But "but trump" only goes so far. Esp when the whole point of the heavy biden criticism is that we don't want Trump

most people Biden's age don't work unless it's financially necessary or they just need something to do like be a hospital volunteer or a Walmart greeter, or an actor in a movie part where he most definitely dies.

  

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162. "Biden Defiantly Downplays Mounting Political Crisis"
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45 days until the convention.

In New Interview, Biden Defiantly Downplays Mounting Political Crisis
The president's session with ABC was his first nationally televised interview since his disastrous debate with Donald Trump.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-interview-post-debate_n_66884447e4b0c732b4623673

SWIPE:

Friday’s ABC interview was essentially Biden’s pitch to those Democrats that they should stick with him.

During the 22-minute interview, Biden pushed back on the perception that he was frailer and less sharp than he had been in 2020. “What I’m asking you is about your personal situation,” Stephanopoulos asked. “Do you dispute that there have been more lapses, especially in the last several months?”

“Can I run the 110? No. But I’m still in good shape,” Biden replied. He blamed his debate performance on exhaustion, citing his schedule.

When Stephanopoulos asked him if he would be willing to take a cognitive test to reassure the American people, Biden also pointed to that schedule, as well as the duties of the presidency, as evidence that he is cognitively astute.

“I have a cognitive test every single day. Every day I have that test everything I do. You know, not only am I campaigning, but I’m on the move,” Biden said. “It sounds like hyperbole, but we’re the central nation in the world,” referencing recent calls with the prime ministers of Israel and the United Kingdom.

Though Biden’s demeanor during the interview was noticeably sharper than in last Thursday’s debate, he was quiet and occasionally slow to answer.

Still, Biden asserted he remains the best bet to beat Trump in November, despite the doubts.

“Have you convinced yourself that only you can defeat him?” Stephanopoulos asked Biden of Trump.

“I’ve convinced myself of two things,” Biden replied, “that I am the most qualified person to beat him, and I know how to get things done.”

“If you can be convinced that you cannot defeat Donald Trump, will you stand down?” Stephanopoulos continued.

“Well, it depends,” Biden said. “If the Lord Almighty comes down and tells me not to run, I might do that.”

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163. "watched the interview. he's gonna drop out"
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I know he's being defiant but he's in serious denial.

He wasn't totally incoherent (except when he said 'who draws crowds like me?'... dude, what??) but he looks 2 years older than he did last Thursday. He looks like an ex president

I feel for him because if he drops out now, he gets the blame for not dropping out earlier but he's gotta stop with this King Vyseris shit


  

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164. "I feel for him and his fam in the sense that"
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dementia is heart-breaking, frustrating, unfair, all of that.

I've been through it, and its horrific.


But because I've been through it, I see the signs. And this dude is toast. I'm sorry, but he's toast.


Even regardless of all that, this man needs to step aside. For a thousand reasons, he needs to step aside.


I am livid and disgusted at his inner circle of sycophants, the self-centered careerists like his campaign manager, democratic party leadership hellbent on losing, Hunter of all people in his ear, etc.

I am also disgusted with Blue MAGA everywhere who kept insisting that warm liquid we've been feeling is rain, that Joe was above criticism, that we shouldn't question, etc.

And Joe, for being one self-centered, arrogant, naïve motherfucker. And ironically...this man is fucking up his legacy with each passing day.


There should have been a primary for voters to choose his successor. They should have treated this last 6 months as his big goodbye. I guarantee his poll numbers would be better. And the winner of the primary would still seem fresh, etc.

Biden, his people, and Democrats fucked this up beyond belief.

Funny how "democracy being on the line" is never more important than the ego of Biden/Clinton/RBG/Obama/etc.

  

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165. "he legit looked like an ex president being interviewed "
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and being asked to weigh in on the current state of things

like if he was 95 you'd say, damn Joe's still pretty sharp

but if he was your Uber driver you'd decide to walk

  

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166. "to your point this pretty bad"
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https://x.com/NikkiMcR/status/1809384004728000619?t=111U2tSxbkfHFw-39NpA7g&s=19

>And Joe, for being one self-centered, arrogant, naïve
>motherfucker. And ironically...this man is fucking up his
>legacy with each passing day.
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168. "radio host loses Black job after admitting WH sent softball questions "
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https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/07/media/biden-interview-radio-host-philadelphia/index.html

Radio host Andrea Lawful-Sanders has resigned from WURD Radio after admitting her post-debate interview with President Joe Biden included questions that were pre-selected by Biden’s campaign team, the station told CNN Sunday.

“The interview featured pre-determined questions provided by the White House, which violates our practice of remaining an independent media outlet accountable to our listeners,” Sara Lomax, president and CEO of the Philadelphia-based station, announced in a statement posted Sunday on its website. “As a result, Ms. Lawful-Sanders and WURD Radio have mutually agreed to part ways, effective immediately.”


WURD is Pennsylvania’s only Black-owned talk radio station. Lomax said the station prides itself on being an independent, trustworthy voice for its primary audience of Black Philadelphians and that using questions that were provided ahead of time “jeopardizes that trust and is not a practice that WURD Radio engages in or endorses as a matter of practice or official policy.”


“WURD Radio is not a mouthpiece for the Biden or any other Administration,” she added.

Lawful-Sanders, who hosted “The Source,” spoke with Biden last week and asked him four questions about what’s at stake in this election, his accomplishments, his debate performance and what he would say to hesitant voters. In an interview Saturday with CNN’s Victor Blackwell, she said those questions were part of eight that were recommended to her by Biden aides ahead of the interview.

“The questions were sent to me for approval. I approved them,” she said.

The move has further inflamed the maelstrom that has been swirling over Biden’s acuity since his lackluster performance in the first presidential debate, which was hosted by CNN. Biden’s debate performance has left many top Democrats wringing their hands in frustration and concern amid talk that he should not accept the party’s nomination.


“If the White House is trying now to prove the vim, vigor … of the president, I don’t know how they do that by sending questions first before the interview so that the president knows what’s coming,” said Blackwell.

Blackwell pointed out that both Lawful-Sanders and Earl Ingram, host of “The Earl Ingram Show” in Milwaukee who also interviewed the president this week, asked Biden “essentially the same questions.”

A Biden campaign spokesperson on Saturday did not deny the campaign provided questions, but said, “We do not condition interviews on acceptance of these questions.”

“It’s not at all an uncommon practice for interviewees to share topics they would prefer. These questions were relevant to the news of the day — the president was asked about this debate performance as well as what he’d delivered for black Americans,” spokesperson Lauren Hitt said in a statement.


The Biden campaign said later Saturday it will no longer suggest questions to interviewers.

“While interview hosts have always been free to ask whatever questions they please, moving forward we will refrain from offering suggested questions,” a source familiar with the Biden booking operation told CNN.

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170. "I watched CNN's interview w/ Sanders about her radio interview with bide..."
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there was a point during the cnn interview when sanders said that "we" should stop discarding our elders (referring to biden), and that her being Jamaican is something she doesn't do.

as if the efforts to have him step down is an affront to his age, rather than his electability.

That itself was indication to me that there was something 'preferential' about that biden radio interview.

  

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169. "Biden sends letter to Congress. He's "firmly committed" to staying in"
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At what point do Democrats stop beating him up and get back behind him?
It doesn't seem like they can push him out.



https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/08/politics/joe-biden-house-democrats/index.html

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171. "If it doesn’t happen this week Dems need to unify"
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and stop criticizing and ride or die with this old mfr

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172. "Ride or Die ? for Biden??"
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2020 slogan: Ridin for Biden
2024 slogan: Dyin for Biden




  

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174. "Dieden 2024!!!"
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173. "Reagan was in office with straight up Alzheimer's in his second term "
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Probably started in his first tbh, yet he still went on to win again and ruin millions of lives.

People always say Democrats lose, but the only reason why Republicans get ahead is because they will support their people no matter what. You are POS pedophile whose dumbass buys underage sex over Venmo like Matt Geatz? Get relected. You're a hypocritical anti-abortionist whose college girlfriend aborted your child like James Comer? Get relected. You outright hate your constituents, got dozens of pending criminal charges, and are showing *your own* signs of dementia like Donald Trump? Get nationwide support.

It is July. Who besides Obama truly has nationwide name recognition? For all the talk about Kamala, she is not widely liked simply because she is a black women. In fact, the talk before any of this was her being replaced, so who then would replace Biden?

Frankly, it's too late for any changes. Terminally online people think everybody is like them and are aware of all political happenings, but your average person is pretty clueless and it's the reason why incumbacy is so important. People just need to vote for Biden and if there are any true cognitive issues they will be dealt with once he's back in office.

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175. "I don’t remember Ray Gun looking lost in 1988 debates"
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but I also couldn’t vote and didn’t pay much attention to politics as a young teen

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176. "he didn't run in 88, he was term limited."
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But if you go to YouTube, you can find clips of him showing cognitive issues while in office, and if I remember correctly he was diagnosed while he was in his second term.

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178. "I forgot the first Bush won in 88"
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I really wasn’t paying attention in 81 and 84.

but I do remember that Michael Moore doc where they showed business leaders yelling at Reagan to hurry up and sign a document like he was hired help.

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177. "it's not only terminally online people who think hes to old though"
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reaction after the debate kinda points to the opposite. It's these msnbc types who seemed shocked by how bad he did. most 'normies' are like yeah, see, he's old af

vote for him and we'll sort it out later, sounds like a sure loser

but I'll admit there's not an actual good alternative

  

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179. "First time around it was easy money"
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because the bar was so low and all Joe had to do was show a little something to remove the Sleepy Joe label.

This time tho.. dude really looked half dead.

and he and his wife seem hell bent on riding this out. Would not be surprised if Jill is running shit which is why she doesn’t want to let go.

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180. "a sure loser is getting anybody else on the ballot"
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If people really felt like he is too old, the time to get new, fresh, and young blood into office was four years ago. People don't vote like they should, and they certainly dont vote primaries. This is a situation that the people themselves have created, so honestly I have little sympathy for people who don't participate but they feel the need to loudly complain.

But, never mind any of that. My point is, if we know it's too late to change candidates because there are no well known candidates, if we know that there are Republican led states who will refuse to remove Biden's name from the ballot, then our (and by our I mean people who are interested in having a functional democracy) only choice is to vote for Biden. Further more, not everyone feels as if his age is an impediment to having a productive time in office, because thus far it hasn't.

I'm not denying the man is old, I'm not denying the man isn't as sharp as he was when he was younger, all I'm saying is if the Republicans were in the same situation, this wouldn't even be a thing up for discussion because they would support their candidate. People wonder why those savages get their horrid laws passed, it's because they will support the party and by extension their candidates no matter the situation.

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184. "if this was repubs we'd be laughing our asses off"
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on how badly they fumbled something so obvious. Instead we've been gaslit by a bunch of people who knew better. I don't think the blame is on people who don't vote in primaries seeing that the dem establishment told everyone to stfu and fall in line, there will be no primaries because Joe is energetic and vibrant, and if you believe otherwise you're just a dupe who fell for fox news propaganda. Part of why people hate democrats is because these over-educated bubble dwellers in charge believe everyone who isn't them is an idiot rube

Dems deserve to lose badly, and if the stakes were different I'd surely cheer for it


> all I'm saying is if
>the Republicans were in the same situation, this wouldn't
>even be a thing up for discussion because they would support
>their candidate. People wonder why those savages get their
>horrid laws passed, it's because they will support the party
>and by extension their candidates no matter the situation.

  

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187. "I mean.. yeah, Dems fucked this up"
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but unless we have a sure thing on the bench we need to unify behind Biden

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189. "he's only gonna get worse "
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dunno at what rate but we might look at this interview in 2 months and think wow he was waay shaper then

  

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196. "Man needs some Ginseng "
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get him some HGH and a nap before the next debate

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208. "^^^ all of this"
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>on how badly they fumbled something so obvious. Instead we've
>been gaslit by a bunch of people who knew better. I don't
>think the blame is on people who don't vote in primaries
>seeing that the dem establishment told everyone to stfu and
>fall in line, there will be no primaries because Joe is
>energetic and vibrant, and if you believe otherwise you're
>just a dupe who fell for fox news propaganda. Part of why
>people hate democrats is because these over-educated bubble
>dwellers in charge believe everyone who isn't them is an idiot
>rube
>
>Dems deserve to lose badly, and if the stakes were different
>I'd surely cheer for it
>

All of this. Not to mention, every single establishment Democrat got in line behind Biden in 2020.

Its not like folks weren't engaged in the last primary (2020). That is a straight up fucking lie.

Its that after SC, we essentially had only 2 choices. Which...that whole thing is politics and demonstrated how ill-prepared Bernie was/is for the big stage...but to act like every Democrat was excited about Biden in 2020 is a lie.

We did NOT have a primary this year- I've seen this claimed a few times now. No one really challenged him and it was often only his name on the ballot.


Blue MAGA really just creates their own reality to justify Democrat fuck ups. Its unreal.


  

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209. "This is missing a big piece of the puzzle"
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>People wonder why those savages get their
>horrid laws passed, it's because they will support the party
>and by extension their candidates no matter the situation.

Republicans get their shit passed because they wield the power they are given and don't pause to debate norms, etc.

Democrats win elections. Your theory would mean they don't win- they do. They just come up short because they worry more about shit like the Parlimentarian and norms and politeness and shit.

The GOP will sit on Garland for a year then ram whatshername through in 6 weeks.

They give no fucks about norms. That's why they win.


And I'm not sure they are better at getting behind their leader- and even if they are- are you advocating for blind loyalty to one man like them?


"To defeat fascists, we must become fascists" is an interesting take.

  

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181. "I've heard this Reagan argument often, it has no persuasive value at all..."
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It's not like he did a great job then. And it's also a very different media than it is now. Media then practically hid his decline.




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185. "the media hid Joe’s decline too"
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but I don’t remember anyone being concerned with Reagan’s health during the debates. Its not something mentioned in the history books.

Anytime people talk about Reagan its about AFTER he was re-elected and started to decline

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188. "we (non republicans) think he was terrible "
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But the people who mirror his ideologies thought he was great. I would be happy with Biden in a second term even if he is like Reagan with cognitive decline in office, because he has assembled a surprisingly effective group of people around him.

Do I want Biden in office with cognitive decline? Of course not. Would I prefer somebody who doesn't come with all this baggage? Of course.

But as I've said before, I live in reality. I don't live in this magical world where things are perfect and we get everything we want and life goes exactly as planned. I don't deal with maybes, I deal with what's in my hand.

I will always engage in risk reduction, and (IN MY OPINION) right now Biden is a less risky choice then the alternatives. If that changes, then I will change, but nothing thus far has said we have any other serious options.

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182. "people like you don't get it"
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Literally no in here is saying they won't vote for Biden. People are concerned and calling for him to step aside because he is on track to lose to Donald Trump. End of story.

And this is NOT a terminally online issue.


He is behind in the polls- big time. He was already unpopular before that train wreck. Incumbency loses its allure when the incumbent is historically unpopular and unable to make his case.

Donald Trump was an incumbent and lost. By itself, it is not some magic armor.

Donors are concerned. Down ticket democrats are concerned. This issue is not going away.

He can't hold a press conference. Can't do an interview longer than 20 minutes. Etc etc.


You can bring up how unfair it is and talk about Ronald Reagan all you want...none of that changes that he is going to lose.

And that means Donald Trump will win. And ya'll cant blame the left, Bernie bros, or whoever this time.

The writing is on the fucking wall. Even blue maga types like Yglesias of all people are saying he needs to go.


At this point literally any new, non-scary democrat getting the nom would bring relief and excitement.

Risky as fuck, yes. But right now Donald Trump is on track to be president again. And it has nothing to do with Ronald fucking Reagan.

  

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183. "so who is the mythical unicorn then?"
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This is the big question that you people can never answer.

Who's this unicorn that's gonna win the swing states, get the undecideds, get the young votes?

And if this unicorn is found, what's gonna stop other Dems from getting on the ballot and splitting the vote because they don't agree with the choice?

We don't need relief and excitement because the only people for whom that is a priority is the large part of our population that doesn't consistently vote (under 40s). We just need to win, and winning means going with the chance most likely to win, and right now it's Biden.

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186. "Kamala is the only one IMO"
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since she is VP

I don’t see anyone else being able to do it.

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190. "which would be wild, becasue she screams one termer"
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but Biden is cooked. Run Kamala, Gretch, Newsome, maybe a Julian Castro if we want to recycle 2020 candidates. I'm not sure who, but after being denied a real primary, then demanding to know who should replace Joe is rich. This the democrats show, they need to put up a viable candidate, and soon, if they want to win.


It's not really about winning democrat votes. It's about inspiring turnout and winning that weird band of 'independents' and 'undecided' voters. Biden aint inspiring any of those groups, which is terrifying.

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206. "Biden and his team maybe have completely ratfucked the country"
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by not being upfront about things and stepping aside to allow a primary.


Hes on track to lose states like WI, GA, etc.


Democrats are polling/on pace to lose the House by like 20 seats.


And he's doing his best Trump impression calling in and yelling at Morning Joe.


What a fucking incompetent, ego-fueled shit show.

  

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207. "This was wild."
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>And he's doing his best Trump impression calling in and
>yelling at Morning Joe.

And Lefty Fox was more than happy to do his bidding too. I saw one of their headlines yesterday afternoon about that call, that was something to the effect of "Biden Silenced the Doubters This Morning. Now What ?" which is just hysterical.

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191. "Copala? Come on legs, you don't really believe that"
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I like her and I think she would be competent president, but she is very unliked. All of this support is recent because all I have heard during her time in office is nothing but how dumb she is, how many verbal gaffes she's makes, how she's disappeared as a vp, etc etc etc.

Plus, she's a black woman, and we know that liberals and progressives can be just as racist and sexist as any conservative redneck.

She wouldn't have enough support to get it done.

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193. "She would look like a genius compared to Trump and Biden"
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but sure, racism is always a concern.

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194. "Hillary looked like a genius compared to trump too"
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if you go off substance, she absolutely dismantled him in debates.
But Trump had the zingers, and Hillary had likeabitly issues. So does Kamala.

  

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195. "Cmon now.. Hilldawg had a lifetime of hate built upon around her"
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That last name was a monster

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210. "her approval rating is even worse than bidens"
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and it apparently started dropping as soon as they started floating her

Her and Joe aren't close in the way Joe and Barack were, and most stories about her the last 3 years are some variation of where is she? The one assignment she's associated with is the dems biggest weaknesses... immigration

Of course Hill had a ton of baggage but neither of these women are very good politicians on this scale (most people aren't) They both cackle awkwardly at weird times, her "unburdened by what has been" line she kept trying to make happen is something Michelle Obama could have pulled off with ease, but like alot of things with Kamala its just cringe to people

then she's gotta deal with all the 'dei candidate' shit

I'd prob take chances with half dead Joe, then believe enough of the public is gonna come around on Kamala

  

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212. "everyone’s approval rating will take a hit right now"
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but once in place Dems would rally around her.

and yeah, that line aint working for her but any politician besides Obama is going to get clowned for their line if you cut 10 clips up and run them back to back.


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213. "what can be, unburdened by..."
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>but once in place Dems would rally around her.
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192. "Presidents by age (for perspective)"
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Presidents by Age


Current Ages (as of July 8, 2024) of Biden and Trump:

Biden: 81 years, 231 days

Trump: 78 years, 24 days

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Oldest at end of presidency:

Reagan - 77 years, 349 days

Trump - 74 years, 220 days

Eisenhower - 70 years, 98 days

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Presidents since WWII, age at end of presidency:

Biden's running total: 81 years, 231 days

Trump: 74 years, 220 days

Obama: 55 years, 169 days

George W Bush: 62 years, 198 days

Clinton: 54 years, 154 days

George H.W. Bush: 68 years, 222 days

Reagan: 77 years, 349 days

Carter: 56 years, 111 days

Ford: 63 years, 190 days

Nixon: 61 years, 212 days

LBJ: 60 years, 146 days

JFK: 46 years, 177 days

Eisenhower: 70 years, 98 days

Truman: 68 years, 257 days

FDR: 63 years, 72 days

  

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217. "Age ain't nothing but a number "
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Both Biden and Trump are old as dirt. But only one of them really shows his age.

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224. "yea Bernie's older than both and seems fine"
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Despite having a heart attack a few years ago

The number isn't completely insignificant. I remember the fear of Sarah Palin due to McCain being 72

>Both Biden and Trump are old as dirt. But only one of them
>really shows his age.
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231. "the point is, we are in uncharted territory "
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Biden is 81 and showing clear signs of decline. biology says this man should not be president for 4 more years. everyone sees it. the democrats need to move on him and get him out. running a younger candidate is the right move here for a thousand reasons. if the dems can't fix this problem, what can they fix? this is a sanity check they can't afford to fail

  

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197. "Annnd this is why I am reluctant for Biden to step down. "
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https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/09/biden-clinton-harris-democrat-poll-00166937

I think the idea of Biden stepping down without a very clear plan of what will happen next is nuts and has just as much potential to be a disaster than if he remains in place.

Everyone who is demanding Biden steps down needs to also have a very clear plan of what should happen next, before opening their traps.

Because if the plan is for Hillary Clinton to then run than I think I might want to take my chances with Biden.


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199. "lol damn. Same."
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>Because if the plan is for Hillary Clinton to then run than I
>think I might want to take my chances with Biden.

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200. "lmao… why the hell is Hilldawg being floated as an option? "
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get gone girl.

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201. "She will never die."
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Metaphorically or literally.

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202. "I said earlier if Kamala lost to Trump her career is over"
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and Hilldawg and her people need to realize losing to Trump was it, its over

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203. "Haha yea for sure."
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I somehow can't find the clip, but I wanted to use her horrific response to pro-Palestinian protesters at a recent conference as evidence that she has never learned a damn thing from her many failures. She was insanely condescending to the protesters.

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204. "seems like a bad idea"
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way too late in the game and i'd much prefer Biden or Kamala to Trump. This is not a difficult decision for me.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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211. "why would she want to lose to trump twice?"
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seems like self-immolation

  

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215. "reminder: BILL Clinton is younger than Donald Trump"
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Tired of hearing this “Biden is too old” shit.

Biden IS too old.

Trump is also too old, retarded, the biggest asshole on the planet, a felon, a rapist, and a traitor.

Messaging is all types of fucked up, and I’m tired of it.

  

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218. "and Bill looked old as shit when Hilldawg ran in 2016"
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205. "split the vote! split the vote! split the vote! split the vote! "
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219. "Biden support slips in deep blue NY: ‘We’re a battleground state now..."
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https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/10/biden-new-york-trouble-00167198

prolly bullshit but still kind of worrisome.

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220. "Gotta just let the old man run at this point"
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They're basically doing the political version of when the boosters are trying to get the college football coach fired. But there's no AD equivalent to that can fire him. It's Biden's ship.

And all of these headlines (just saw the Clooney one) are only making him dig in his heels more. I agree with a lot of the issues they've got with him and if his staff did all they could to hide it over the years, then shame on them. But the time to take them to task was way earlier than 4 months before the election. I'd be more for replacing him if there was a solid plan to do so (how to transfer the fundraising money if necessary, who is actually going to take their place, how to ensure the new person will be on all the ballots, how to run a campaign in a compressed timeline) but for now it just seems to be "force the old man out and we'll figure the rest out later". That's not really mitigating risk at all.

  

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221. "Yup. This slow trickle of public dissent has to stop. Do it or don't "
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It doesn't look like he's going to let them bully him out. Especially if it's just like one congressman a day coming forward. A mass folks need to come out against him, or they need to move on.

All this is doing is dragging it out and making the wound worse.

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226. "If they do, he'll lose. "
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you can probably convince a fair amount of his base to vote for him, but he's not doing better numbers than he did last time, and he barely won in swing states that he's badly trailing in now. I'm not sure there are any great options, but running Joe in 2024 feels like guaranteed failure. The whole liberal media ecosystem that covered for him and propped him up in 2020 has flipped on him. He's toast.

In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
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222. "even lost George Clooney"
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Who shit on the "just a bad night" narrative, and said he was blank face Joe at the fundraiser 2 weeks ago

People mad at Jon Stewart (again) for running another old man segment.

I don't really get the people who say we have to ride this out is if somehow this is as bad as he's gonna get before the election

  

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223. "Biden has the final say. We have no choice but to ride it out"
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>
>I don't really get the people who say we have to ride this out
>is if somehow this is as bad as he's gonna get before the
>election
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225. "RBJoe"
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240. "That fact Clooney"
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spent time and energy to literally given Biden millions of dollars for his re-election effort has to hurt a little bit for folks behind the scenes on the Biden campaign.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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227. "Ever have to have that talk with a parent or grandparent...."
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....that "you're too old to drive" talk ...it's a very delicate matter, and they often don't take it well and fight you on it ...this is Joe Biden and we have to take his keys away ASAP


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228. "On one hand...."
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I'm happy to see Democrats acknowledge reality in a way that most of the right doesn't do with Trump.

On the other?

The "Shut the fuck up and fall in line" thinking of the Blue MAGA crowd is absolutely insane. Holy hell do I want off of this fucking ride.

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232. "nah, more like “Shut the fuck up and THINK FIRST”"
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233. "I don’t see this ending well. I do think we need to get behind joe"
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and try to weekend at Bernie his ass to another victory if he is too stubborn to step aside… but CLEARLY this dude is fucking done.

I will be shocked if he gets better in the next debate.

He really looks like he could die at any moment.

shame on his team for hiding him and risking another Trump presidency.

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229. "gotta keep the pressure on, he has to get out of the race "
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disaster for the party for years if he runs. this doesn't get better. you can't ask people to vote for someone who will be 86 in 2028 who has clearly lost his grip. the worst case scenario is him running. the spotlight isn't going away in a news cycle or two. he's running to be PRESIDENT for 4 more years

  

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230. "See, I think the worst case scenario is a shit show trying to replace hi..."
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A half-ass, messy non-process that undemocratically crowns someone half the party hates (e.g., Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders) will do more damage to the party than running the person who won delegates. If the candidate chosen from this loses, it could tear the party apart.

If Biden runs and loses, we can at least say he was the candidate delegates chose, and the bad guys are the people who hid his state from them.


There is a dream scenario where Biden bows out and urges his delegates to vote their conscience at the convention, and the party comes together around units around Barack Obama 2.0, but I just don't see that happening.


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234. "why the hell would they try to run old ass Bernie? "
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I agree if we went with Bernie or Hilldawg the party would be fractured.

but if we went with Kamala/Shapiro or Kamala/Whitmer or Newsom/Kamala and lost.. at least Dems tried to do SOMETHING.

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235. "Because those are the people folks know. How did we end up with Biden?"
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And I don't think Biden was the wrong choice in 2020. I think he was the most recognizable figure, with the best machine around him, that could get the most democrats to unite around. It's how we ended up with Hillary Clinton in 2016.

I don't trust the Dem party to come up with an Innovative ticket 4 months before the election.

I Would LOVE to be proven wrong.


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236. "dems need to allow voices, leaders to emerge"
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somehow. it's clearly been a problem since Obama.

doing nothing here and pretending that running a guy who would be 86 in 2028 is the only way forward? this is a disaster. this is a failure of leadership. they will lose looking like they didn't even try. Biden is a losing ticket. it's not even close. he'll drag down everyone else running and he will lose.

and will we know more about the future of the democratic party then? no. they'll have avoided talking business in front of us again. they want it all controlled and backroomed and that's been a huge part of the problem. it's why we got hillary and biden instead of new leadership.

much better to figure out now who in the party has something to say. the sooner the better. running Biden and saying "he's the best shot, trust us!" is insulting to the american people. the dems have a massive credibility problem with voters. running a puppet makes things worse. they're scared of conversation but ya know sometimes you gotta step out and show voters...that there are still actual human leaders who want good things for the country and its people.

forget the politics of bernie--he clearly inspired people. and was squashed. the dem powers that be insisting that Biden has to be the candidate....i can't think of anything less inspiring. they have got to stop stepping on the energy. they gotta see this and make a move. fight flight or freeze.

  

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237. "yeah, he's not winning"
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democrats will probably rally around him, but he's not winning. Any strategy that involves Joe Biden running in November is almost assuring a loss.

In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
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238. "^^^ anyone saying otherwise is essentially saying"
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"I'd rather lose to Donald Trump than question authority/norms/etc"

Either that or they aren't serious about Trump being a danger to democracy, and their plan is to just ride it out until 2028.

He is down in solid blue states. Saw something that said he is polling 10 points behind Baldwin in WI.

He's not only going to lose, he's going to drag down ballot Dems.

President Trump will have both the Senate and the House, a super majority on a political supreme court, and emboldened as fuck.

And again...Joe and his team could have stopped- or at least slowed- this by following up the debate with a townhall, a real (longer) interview), taking questions at the press conference, etc.


If they *could* kill this they would have already. Its done.


Replacing him is a huge risk- but rolling with him is a guaranteed loss. To Donald Trump.


  

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fif
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239. "^ correct"
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they are playing smoke and mirrors games presenting him. they think if people see a few confident teleprompter speeches, voters will forget what they know to be true: Biden has lost it. the president of the united states can't give a back and forth interview.

apparently he's been preparing for tmw's press conference for a week. we'll see how that goes. but a week in order to talk to the press? the president has no clothes.

they can't keep him propped up through november, let alone 2028. it's not a scandal that can be waited out...it's biology. he is a different, far less capable person than he was when he was 2020, 2016, 2008. there's no shame in this. the shame is in telling people they have to believe the lie that this guy is our best bet to lead the country.

  

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241. "Yes, and I actually cannot believe this is the case."
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Pre debate...my personal feeling was that there's zero chance Trump gains voters. He'd peaked, politically. I knew Biden had his problems, and he's certainly not my choice as far as a Dem was, but I thought that we all understood why he was rubber stamped in 2020.

But it's so blatantly fucking obvious he's going to lose if he stays in. Just...so blatant. No amount of people hating Trump is going to fix that. There are just so many voters who, while they won't vote for Trump, will just NOT vote. This is 2016 all over again, but so much fucking worse.

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242. "yea fear of Trump isn't the same for a lot of people"
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I think it's clear he'll be worse, and surround himself with even more awful people than last time, and hes gonna be on a terrifying revenge kick... but I think for a lot of people who are just going through their day to day, their lives didn't change much last time, and it wasn't the dystopian hellscape they were promised, the economy he inherited didn't crash, he didn't start a war, shit changed when covid happened but it happened to the world. Lotta people think yeah Trump was a dick but things were better 5 years ago.

Others are pretending that Trump is getting a pass because the non-right wing media is too focused on Biden's age instead of how awful Trump is but it's gonna take more than fear. It didn't work with Hillary and people were more scared of him then.

As you said I think lots will stay home feeling like they got nothing to vote for

  

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250. "fear of Trump is still a thing"
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but fear of an old guy who has lost his senses is just as bad if not worse.

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259. "it's real. it's just not enough "
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and the old guy can't really hammer the points home. So when he talks about January 6th, or project 2025, or abortion, or democracy, the take away is, fuck, he's old

  

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243. "not gonna lie, all this Biden backlash is feeling VERY weird."
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like, i GET it. TRUST me.

but, he's gonna be the candidate for better or worse.

we don't have time to be idealistic. it's time for pragmatism.

we can be idealistic if we save the country. if muhfuckas don't galvanize and beat trump at all costs, there may not be a democracy to be idealistic about...and i think it's pretty clear that there's not a lot of hyperbole in that statement.

all these news orgs constantly talking about dems turning on biden, and now it's the celebs after this Clooney op-ed...it's really weird.

  

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244. "It’s some game of thrones shit going on. It’s WEIRD. "
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I think he’s cooked.

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245. "it's necessary"
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president is an important job. you cant run a candidate in the shape he is in. it's insanity to think otherwise. he has to be made to understand that if he runs, he will lose in a landslide and his legacy will be the old idiot who gave the presidency back to Trump. his entire career will be forgotten and he will be remembered for this.

people will not get behind a candidate in steep physical and cognitive decline. it's human nature. every time finishes reading a speech off the teleprompter, the guy is lost, doesn't know where to walk. it's over for him. there is no hiding it til november. this guy shouldn't be president right now. let alone in 2028. sometimes staying the course is the worst thing to do. that's where we are right now.

  

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246. "i don't think we have a clear understanding..."
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of what shape he's in. one day he seems fine, another day not so much.

and i don't think throwing some names in a hat and picking someone for these last 4 months is gonna get it done either.

i think you do that after you get him the W by hook or by crook.

that said, i understand where you're coming from.

  

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247. "funny as it is to bring Clooney into this..."
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this quote from his Op Ed is pretty damning.

"It’s devastating to say it, but the Joe Biden I was with three weeks ago at the fund-raiser was not the Joe “big F-ing deal” Biden of 2010. He wasn’t even the Joe Biden of 2020. He was the same man we all witnessed at the debate."

also...some say Clooney wouldn't have written the Op Ed without a nod of approval from Obama.


Pelosi hedging today. Schumer reportedly open to other candidates in private conversations. it's pretty clear that the important players think he is cooked. ive definitely seen enough.


theyd have to hide him as a candidate. and the story will constantly be about his mental fitness. they cant pr machine this back into the background. not during an election.

no clear way forward. but we'll see how the press conference goes tmw. then...obama bill clinton pelosi schumer durbin steny hoyer, etc need to sit down and be real with him. his family needs to get real about what is best for this country. it's best for him and best for them too. if he keeps fighting in his condition... it prolongs the humiliation. back in the day...sure he'd get up and fight. but his strength has failed him. his body and mind cant do it. it's hard to watch. but if celtics shaq is your superstar, youre team ain't going to the playoffs

  

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249. "Biden makes Trump look legit"
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even though Trump is lying left and right and just babbling about how awesome he is.

Joe can't even brag about his accomplishments because he can't put 5 words together or remember what his accomplishments are.. dude was mixing up thousands, billions, millions etc when talking about stats.

and fuck a presser.

how low are we going to put this bar to keep him in the race?

"lets go Joe!!! I'm not dead yet!!"

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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267. "look how easily Mayor Pete does this"
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https://x.com/ArmandDoma/status/1810814759346073633?t=1UPjRfJXA9MvFwD_0_cM2g&s=19

  

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268. "It's wild listening to someone talk about policy..."
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... and actually being able to hear and understand what they say.

Like, I don't even *like* Mayor Pete like that. But he's one of many younger people in the Democratic Party who can do things like "cogently discuss policy" and "not leave me worried about the speaker's mental acuity."

More Christmas movies coming in 2025...

  

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248. "what's weird is acting like this man isn't toast"
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Demanding folks get behind an 80+ year old man who complete 2 sentences or walk 10 yards without looking lost is weird.

What is weird is trying to convince us we need to stick with the old fart who forgets what he is talking about 1 minute into a debate.

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251. "I don't know if he's clearly toast, and I don't know if rushing to find ..."
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else is clearly the better option.

I am not part of a death march with Biden on some, "we have to live or die with Biden".

I just don't know what is the better option and anyone saying they do at this point is talking out there but.

Shit is all around unprecedented.


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252. "Remember: Joe's a lobotmized brain dead shit eater who's EGO will kill y..."
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We got folks who SWEAR they clinically knew Biden was a vegetable as far back as 2018! They have now been proven right (in their minds.)

Now Biden just shits his pants and eats his poop!!! He can't even say 2 sentences without FUCKIGN UP!!!!

And he's visibly old!!

(Not to mention HUNTER BIDEN is making him do this!!!!!!!)

Biden's EGO is too big.
AND Biden can't even brag!!
Therefore HE'S toast!!!!!

Also: Hillary is coming back - people hate that BITCH!!(Even though show got 7 million more votes - and she says she's not coming back.)

Also: Kamala is a DEI hire who sweetdick Willie Brown (San Francisco liberal - ting a ling a ling) hoed out!! The Judge Joe Brown interview where he called her a hoe is begin posted aggressively now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nclCJpYZnBk

Gavin Newsom is too slick!!!!!!!

If only Michelle Obama and Dolly Parton would run - then we'd wins for sure!!!

Some Dem Governor with no national presence could somehow beat Trump with a 3 month campaign!!!!!

(And unrelated shit that stays in my mind: Britney Griner deserved what she got becuase she knew the consequences!!)

The debate performance definitely raised questions, but the answers in here are hyperbolic even for Internet message boards. This is 4Chan level shit. These aren't Russian Bots, but they probably chose their Shampoo becuase a Russian Bot told two friends, and so on.

And BLUE MAGA exists becuase most Democrats don't don't agree with shit MAGA folks are spreading that the posters agree with. (Chicago blacks are being supplanted by illegals and homeless, and BLUE MAGA is doing it!)

Biden may be forced out - like Franken was - and it may even be warranted in this case - but these clowns have been pushing conspiracies and fantasies (not Legs - this is relatively new for him) and now their dicks are so hard they can't control themselves and they are running around humping everything that has the nerve to exist.

But Biden does seem to be losing a lot of support - and at a time way past the primaries after the candidate was been decided. Something big may happen - and it'll be very unusual. Didn't work out so well in 1968.

But none of the suggestions in here are even close to helpful - and face it - they largely aren't meant to be.

Note:I won't be able to reply for a few days - I'm going on an 80's cruise with Donna Brazile.

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253. "So in other words"
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George Clooney is in on it.

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254. "this is where i'm at with it, minus all the hyperbole."
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democrats desire to find this perfect candidate that doesn't exist always means the call is coming from inside the house.

like, i said, i GET it.

but what end does this all serve except to further highlight shit that ONLY helps your political opponents...you know...the ones who want to turn this country into the Handsmaid's Tale or worse?

like, there's no real end game here for these people...if Joe is alive and kicking, he has the delegates and that's all that really matters.

as much as it maybe SHOULDN'T be? it IS kind of a get down or lay down situation.

  

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255. "The end is finding a candidate who can win"
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If you "get it" then why bother characterizing the opposing view so narrowly? A candidate isn't nominated until the convention and that hasn't occurred yet. This is obviously not a partisan attack. People are reacting to what they saw with their own eyeballs and coming to one or both of the following conclusions:

A)He can't win
B)He can't sufficiently campaign over the next four months even if winning is possible

Ignore A for a moment. If you think B is wrong, how's that gonna work? Can his people simultaneously protect him from live, unscripted appearances and still get voter eyes/ears on Biden making an affirmative case for himself? How thoroughly can he be shielded from live, unscripted appearances? Is he gonna debate again? If your argument is that talking about his obvious frailty helps Trump, do you think Trump was just going to let Biden's minimal campaign schedule go unremarked?

The only way your position is tenable, in my view, is if you think the debate was as bad as it's going to get for Biden. I just don't think that's realistic if he's also got to campaign. This issue isn't made up. People aren't going to forget about it because they got scolded into pretending it's not real. Biden's got to fix it himself to win and he's not up for it.

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257. "well, that's the thing..."
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i don't think it's gonna get worse than what we saw at the debate.

and, since then, he's been pretty typical as far as what we've seen from him the past 4 years.

i'll say this to your A and B scenarios...i'm not gonna say ANYONE can't win cuz i thought Bush II and Trump couldn't win. i think he can win, but if this shit keeps up, he won't win. right now the Dem spotlight is pointed right back in our faces which is just creating more doubt in the minds of voters, when it should be pointed at all the Project 2025 moves and making sure that people understand what's at stake.

as I said, focus on getting the dub and kicking Trump, MAGA & Project 2025 back to their caves. THEN you can worry about if Biden needs to be replaced and finding the next Democratic golden boy or girl.

  

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271. "do you think the stephanpolous interview wasn't bad?"
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it certainly wasn't as bad as the debate but i thought it was pretty bad, and he sounded like he had his 'cold' back

then stephanpolous got caught on the street and said he didn't think Joe was fit to serve another 4 years (that he had to apologize for)

>i don't think it's gonna get worse than what we saw at the
>debate.
>
>and, since then, he's been pretty typical as far as what we've
>seen from him the past 4 years.
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273. "Yeah, I guess this issue is foundational here"
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>i don't think it's gonna get worse than what we saw at the
>debate.

Assuming we watched the same debate, this is an incredibly surprising opinion to read. If you believe this, then your position holds together. I just think it's not tethered to reality, so the only continued argument I've got here is that you should watch people who don't see it that way add up. It's not a media creation. Senators Bennet and Welch aren't conspiracy theorists or attention-seekers. Electorally vulnerable Congressional candidates are acting with clear eyed self-interest.

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265. "This is it. "
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>This issue isn't made up. People aren't going to
>forget about it because they got scolded into pretending it's
>not real. Biden's got to fix it himself to win and he's not up
>for it.

If he was on the bad end of a coin flip in the polls before the debate, and now he's losing even worse, the question becomes "if you think democracy is on the line in this election, do you think Biden can recover in the polls enough to feel good about his chances in November?" The only way to do that, I'd think, is to change the narrative. And every time Biden speaks, the narrative is reinforced-- but because he's losing, you can't hide him and hope the polls magically shift in his favor.

And if the only counterargument is "you can't trust the polls!" or "trust us, he's way more with it than the public gets to see"... then that feels like the problem isn't being taken remotely seriously.

More Christmas movies coming in 2025...

  

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261. "But see, this is what the problem is."
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I know you said you get it, and I know that the other side wants a theocracy.

Do the Democrats know that? Because they're sleepwalking into this election acting like they just need to hope Biden doesn't make another gaffe for 4 months.

I mean, end of the day - the Project 2025 talking point is working. It's being googled a fuck ton, and I have to think there are a lot of undecided (or even right leaning) voters who are still like, "Uh, fuck this?" re: Project 2025. It should be that all it'd take to actually beat Trump would be someone with a pulse.

And...well...

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260. "You should uh...take a break from the internet."
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264. "don't miss "handle! One man show""
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coming to your local theatre

>We got folks who SWEAR they clinically knew Biden was a
>vegetable as far back as 2018! They have now been proven right
>(in their minds.)
>
>Now Biden just shits his pants and eats his poop!!! He can't
>even say 2 sentences without FUCKIGN UP!!!!
>
>And he's visibly old!!
>
>(Not to mention HUNTER BIDEN is making him do this!!!!!!!)
>
>Biden's EGO is too big.
>AND Biden can't even brag!!
>Therefore HE'S toast!!!!!
>
>Also: Hillary is coming back - people hate that BITCH!!(Even
>though show got 7 million more votes - and she says she's not
>coming back.)
>
>Also: Kamala is a DEI hire who sweetdick Willie Brown (San
>Francisco liberal - ting a ling a ling) hoed out!! The Judge
>Joe Brown interview where he called her a hoe is begin posted
>aggressively now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nclCJpYZnBk
>
>Gavin Newsom is too slick!!!!!!!
>
>If only Michelle Obama and Dolly Parton would run - then we'd
>wins for sure!!!
>
>Some Dem Governor with no national presence could somehow beat
>Trump with a 3 month campaign!!!!!
>
>(And unrelated shit that stays in my mind: Britney Griner
>deserved what she got becuase she knew the consequences!!)
>
>The debate performance definitely raised questions, but the
>answers in here are hyperbolic even for Internet message
>boards. This is 4Chan level shit. These aren't Russian Bots,
>but they probably chose their Shampoo becuase a Russian Bot
>told two friends, and so on.
>
>And BLUE MAGA exists becuase most Democrats don't don't agree
>with shit MAGA folks are spreading that the posters agree
>with. (Chicago blacks are being supplanted by illegals and
>homeless, and BLUE MAGA is doing it!)
>
>Biden may be forced out - like Franken was - and it may even
>be warranted in this case - but these clowns have been pushing
>conspiracies and fantasies (not Legs - this is relatively new
>for him) and now their dicks are so hard they can't control
>themselves and they are running around humping everything that
>has the nerve to exist.
>
>But Biden does seem to be losing a lot of support - and at a
>time way past the primaries after the candidate was been
>decided. Something big may happen - and it'll be very unusual.
>Didn't work out so well in 1968.
>
>But none of the suggestions in here are even close to helpful
>- and face it - they largely aren't meant to be.
>
>Note:I won't be able to reply for a few days - I'm going on an
>80's cruise with Donna Brazile.

  

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276. "cut the edible in half next time you fucking weirdo"
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You consistently confuse right-wing shit with the legit concerns about your dear leader.


A lot that paranoid fever dream hissy-fit nonsense you just typed out is shit the right is saying.


All anyone is saying on the democrat side (including very extremely vote blue no matter who types like Clooney, Yglesias, Rob fucking Reiner, elected democrats, etc) is that Joe Biden is on track to lose an election to Donald Fucking Trump.

Not running a demented geezer who can't finish a sentence and is currently polling to lose swing states and hurt down ballot dems (losing the House and Senate) is the definition of trying to help the party.

Don't let your hate of anyone who dares question a democrat blind you here.

Seriously though...take a break and find a different recreational drug than whatever it was you popped before you wrote this.

(I do find it hilarisad you managed to squeeze "she won the popular vote" into this fucking unhinged rant)

  

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285. "^^Transaparent gas lighting "
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>You consistently confuse right-wing shit with the legit
>concerns about your dear leader.

Weird that your "legit concerns" map nearly 1:1 with right wing talking points and propaganda, and have the entire time Biden ahs been back in the public eye.

>A lot that paranoid fever dream hissy-fit nonsense you just
>typed out is shit the right is saying.

Yes, me being AGAINST what the right is saying IS ACTUALLY me agreeing with what the right is saying. Good point!

>Not running a demented geezer who can't finish a sentence and
>is currently polling to lose swing states and hurt down ballot
>dems (losing the House and Senate) is the definition of trying
>to help the party.

"Demented geezer who can't finish a sentence" - that doesn't sound like right wing talking points at all. Was that in Clooney's op-ed? Did Pelosi say that on Morning Joe?


>Don't let your hate of anyone who dares question a democrat
>blind you here.

Such gaslighting - I'm HATEFUL, not the person who called the sitting president a "demented old geezer." Why aren't you posting about 25th amendment (I know why -you haven't heard it parroted by the right wing sites and bots enough yet. I've give you a few weeks.)


>Seriously though...take a break and find a different
>recreational drug than whatever it was you popped before you
>wrote this.

Show that you don't know me at al - and you are DESPERATELY trying to deflect. It's pathetic.



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286. "hows the cruise going"
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288. "lmao"
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287. ""shhhh u sound like THEM" is a big reason for this mess"
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People have to get over this weirdo thing of not saying anything out of fear of being perceived as sounding like the bad people

it's such cult thinking

"This guy sounds old as hell. I went through this with my grandpa.."

"Huh?? He has a stutter and a cold and jetlag! Did you hear that on Fox? You sound like Hannity"

"Obama had to lead him off stage"

"They're friends! Stop letting elons bots tell you what to think smh"




  

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256. "it's emotional, rash, and irrational thinking."
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Aided by an extremely hostile media towards Democrats and frankly bots and people who weren't going to vote Democrat (or even vote at all) anyway.

I stand by everything I said earlier about why replacing Biden isn't a good move. Something I didn't mention yet but is a hugeee deal is finances. A new candidate would have to raise their own money as any money Biden raised would not be able to be used on a different candidate. Millions of dollars needed four months before an election with a new, likely little known person. Yeah, sounds like a great idea. :-/

Call me blue maga or whatever you please, but people are looking for a savior that will never come. We have to deal with the cards we have and not pretend like some new, hidden baby Obama is going to come and save the day.

*shrug*

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258. "Not if it's Kamala IIRC."
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IE - because she's on the ticket that was the beneficiary of the fundraising, they can use the funds for her if that's the direction they go in.

But anyway.

Yes, acting like there's a million options and one's going to come from relative obscurity to pound Trump into nothingness is obviously very naive (or stupid). And yes, Kamala Harris is beyond flawed as a candidate. But she can speak coherently and isn't (clearly) in mental decline.

The Blue MAGA shit is less about you being realistic (which I think you are, even if I disagree that this is what we're stuck with), it's more the whole wave of people willfully ignoring the obvious about Biden. Worse yet, Biden's becoming more Trumplike every day as far as what he's saying and doing. I mean, are we really forgetting the debate turned into a discussion about golf handicaps? Biden's out here saying he's got more stamina than George Clooney? Jesus christ, what a cluster.

And before handle's boogeyman ass comes in here to yell at people equating Biden and Trump - it is BEYOND obvious that their policies are very different and one is the obviously WORSE choice.

But the best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is today. If Biden's on the ticket come November? I'll vote for him. But there's a LIFETIME left in this race and this is a loser if I've ever seen one.

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278. "nah blue maga is accusing"
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anyone who doesn't want a demented old man who is currently on pace to lose the white house, the house, and the senate....of expecting a baby obama unicorn candidate.


I don't give a fuck who the candidate is- find someone who won't lose to Trump.


That isn't a unicorn. That isn't baby obama.


It just happens to not be the old man who is GOING TO LOSE TO TRUMP


This isn't a right wing attack. This isn't a media attack. This is real life- reality that we all witnessed with our own eyes, that blue no matter who loyalists are sounding the alarm about.

This isn't fake news.

This isn't about golf scores or stamina or whatever.


Joe Biden is going to lose. Sticking with him is not pragmatic it is stupid as fuck.

  

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262. "People need to go back and re-watch the debate"
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Even just the first 10 minutes.

It was not just a bad night. It was the first time in 4 years Joe had to speak extemporaneously for an extended period of time and it was revelatory. He sent the most ardent democrat loyalists into a panic because he's in terrible shape and obviously not fit to be president.

He's had a few follow up interviews and appearance to prove that he's fit. Even in more controlled environments he's absolutely shit the bed. There's another debate scheduled for September and he's given zero hints at being able to do better. If he has another performance like his last one, it's 100% a wrap.

In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
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263. "unfair edits by the right caused the left to be overly dismissive "
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of these videos.

it can't just be, "he looks bad but it's not that bad", it has to be, lol he's fine, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a sucker falling for propaganda

now reality is setting in because people got to see the uncut version, and cant really blame it on newsmax, or rogan or whoever

and reality quickly turned to panic

  

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266. "Isn't the pragmatic choice to ditch the losing candidate?"
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It seems to me the "idealistic" choice is the one in which we hope the guy we voted for 4 years ago will win again because the other guy is a bad guy, and logic and reasoning will prevail.

The "pragmatic" choice is the one where everyone realizes, in a high stakes election, that Biden was losing in the polls before the debate, he's losing in the polls after the debate, and he's not with it enough to change the American public's minds.

It seems the only practical way to win the election is not to send out talking heads to insist people who watched the debate shouldn't trust their eyeballs and their own drawn conclusions, but rather to put someone on the ticket who can actually advocate for a Democratic president.

We've reached the point where, every time Biden speaks, no one's listening. They're all judging how he speaks, not what he's saying. And unless how he speaks drastically improves, that isn't going to change before the election. A new candidate creates a world in which people might actually listen to *what* the candidate is saying.

To me, that's pragmatism-- having the fortitude to say "thank you for your service, Joe, but you are unlikely to win, and you're too old to convince skeptics you can, and we can't gamble democracy on the hope that people will do the right thing from a policy standpoint, so we have to move on."

I'm not here to say what's right and what's wrong or anything-- it's a strange, unprecedented situation. But I also don't think it's unreasonable *because* it's an unprecedented situation to discuss alternatives given what the American people saw and heard.

More Christmas movies coming in 2025...

  

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269. "yes THIS part"
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>We've reached the point where, every time Biden speaks, no
>one's listening. They're all judging how he speaks, not what
>he's saying. And unless how he speaks drastically improves,
>that isn't going to change before the election. A new
>candidate creates a world in which people might actually
>listen to *what* the candidate is saying.
>

  

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272. "Yep."
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The fact is that on balance, Biden's administration has largely done a really good job. But he's *totally* incapable of articulating that. So the undecideds, who are some of the dumbest people in the country, won't be convinced by him. And like you mentioned, parading a bunch of stand-ins out there to tell us that our eyes are lying to us isn't gonna convince any of those people, either.

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270. "that goes back to your previous reply to Walleye."
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(since you he's the losing candidate and ditching him is pragmatic)

do you trust the polls?

i don't. i don't think they truly indicate how people will vote when it's actually time to do so...because when people get polled, they are responding in an idealic way. when it's time to vote? they see the writing on the wall, and they do vote pragmatically for the most part.

maybe i'm just making wishing upon a star though. i dunno.

  

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274. "But you act as if polls are the ONLY thing untrustworthy."
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Like, yes...of course polls are potentially misleading. We learned that the hard way several times. But the polls had Hillary by a non-insignificant margin in 2016, and Joe in 2020 by more than he ended up winning by.

So, now that the polls are SAYING Trump...shouldn't that be cause for concern?

Anyway...you make a good point that polls aren't exactly trustworthy. If that was the one and only factor? Ok. But we've all got eyes and ears, plus polls, PLUS the seemingly veiled threats from the Democratic leadership, plus the hit pieces...it's just all a fucking mess.

Either way, I'm absolutely and utterly fucking tired of living through unprecedented times.

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280. "Its not just polls you read about"
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Its democrats internal polling. They were told the other day to expect to lose the House.

Its the fact that this issue is NOT going away.

Its that at this point in 2020 Biden was polling like 10 pts ahead of Trump and underperformed the polls come election time.


He's polling behind now...significantly behind down ballot democrats.


This is a Joe Biden issue. He was unpopular before all of this.


Saying "I don't believe the polls" is some straight up MAGA shit.


I get it in the sense that changing candidates is risky as fuck.

But its not as risky as running Joe Biden.


Assholes love to cite 19 fucking 68 as proof that Democrats should just close their eyes and hope for the best. They leave out that LBJ would have also lost in 1968. And a ton of other shit happened in 1968 that tore the party/country apart.

This isn't 1968. Its a stupid fucking argument and don't let them make it.

  

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275. "I've long ignored Hunter Biden, but..."
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I mean - we can't pretend this shit is normal, or okay...right?

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4752458-hunter-biden-advises-president-biden/

In the years of attacks on this dude, I truly haven't cared. Why should I? He wasn't given a position in the administration. I wasn't voting for him. He was a fuck up who has some serious issues, and who doesn't know people like that? Plus, Trump put his family into his administration despite being fuck ups themselves and/or not knowing how to do the jobs.

But now?

Nah, man.

Especially not if you're attacking Trump for being a convicted felon, for fuck's sake.

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279. "i've been assuming that's bullshit "
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or at least way exaggerated

maybe it is, or maybe not and it's just cope on my part

it's just too weird, just like I thought the continued focus on him is weird

Ive always felt like... ok, he's sounds like a trash person but why should I care? now they're ruining that too

  

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281. "the Hill is owned by the same group who owns Newsnation"
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Reading the article, it seems like he just helped with a speech, which given that Hunter is a lawyer (ivy league I think?), doesn't seem like a big deal to me.

If anything positive can be said about Biden, it's that he (seemingly) loves his family (particularly Hunter), and I'm not certain that helping Dad with a speech is equivalent to being an advisor. I feel like during Hilary's run, Chelsea was there helping her out too and Donald's kids were definitely in the mix. (that is to say adult kids supporting their politicians parents is normal and doesn't mean they are official advisors)

I truly feel that independent of any personal issues, the media hates Biden and as a result have been exceedingly negative towards him since the beginning of his presidency.

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282. "That's fair, but still..."
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Biden's been smart enough to leave his son's issues completely alone outside of being a caring father to an addict. It's been strange as fuck for the right to be railing against a guy who wasn't involved in his father's presidency whatsoever.

So why, post conviction, would you EVER have this dude anywhere near anything resembling policy in the slightest?

Chelsea helping Hillary with a speech wouldn't be nearly as much of an issue given she's not a convicted felon. At BEST, it's an issue with optics. And when you have a campaign that's seemingly in chaos...why on earth would you do that?

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284. "more reporting..."
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https://slate.com/life/2024/07/joe-biden-hunter-news-trump-trial-guilty-white-house.html

"Indeed, in the many reports about the president’s postdebate crisis-management tactics, Hunter has been a recurring character. The New York Times revealed that Hunter was among the “strongest voices imploring” his father not to drop out of the race when the Bidens gathered at Camp David, and NBC confirmed that Hunter has been joining the president at a slew of meetings with top White House aides—Jared Kushner–style—during the ongoing fallout. (One staffer summed up his reaction to the intrusion as, plainly and simply: “What the hell is happening?”)"

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/30/us/politics/biden-debate-anxious-democrats.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/hunter-biden-white-house-meetings-president-debate-rcna159975

  

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311. "What are we doing? WHAT ARE WE DOING?!?! (c) Taylor Twellman"
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>"Indeed, in the many reports about the president’s
>postdebate crisis-management tactics, Hunter has been a
>recurring character. The New York Times revealed that Hunter
>was among the “strongest voices imploring” his father not
>to drop out of the race when the Bidens gathered at Camp
>David, and NBC confirmed that Hunter has been joining the
>president at a slew of meetings with top White House
>aides—Jared Kushner–style—during the ongoing fallout.
>(One staffer summed up his reaction to the intrusion as,
>plainly and simply: “What the hell is happening?”)"


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283. "+1 for Joe"
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https://x.com/ianbremmer/status/1811444393540264232?t=JPo1S6JnKO9AE7yfR84QWw&s=19

what a time to be alive

  

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289. "Biden introduces Zelensky as "President Putin""
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https://x.com/spectatorindex/status/1811519226253050195

  

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290. "it's a stutter"
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and just for laughs.

https://x.com/nikkihodgdon/status/1810869848852897878

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292. "lol"
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>and just for laughs.
>
>https://x.com/nikkihodgdon/status/1810869848852897878
>
>

  

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291. "it's a nothing thing"
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but the accumulation gives it more life

It's an honest flub but he's gotta be like, fuck, I can't be doing that right now

  

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293. "that's an honest flub but it truly couldn't come at a worse time."
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yikes.

  

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309. "calling the president of a nation by his enemy’s name is brutal"
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****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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294. "Less egregious in actuality but still….not good!"
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295. "This presser is going to be a disaster, isn't it? "
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Preselected reporters. Cool. That should go well.

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296. "This dude said Vice President Trump..."
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...when he meant to say Vice President Kamala Harris.

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298. "no words"
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>...when he meant to say Vice President Kamala Harris.

  

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301. "painful"
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--
Sometimes you have to look reality in the face and say 'No!'
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If you need any help, don't. Hesitate to ask.

  

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302. "Usually gaffes like this are meaningless. "
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But every time it happens with him now, I just say “Jesus Christ” out loud to nobody and look in the nonexistent camera like Jim Halpert.

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297. "This is the plan for four months"
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And, fingers crossed, for years after that.

But you're the asshole for mentioning that it's not normal or good. Don't say that, otherwise Trump might figure it out and say it too.

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299. "i can't watch"
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--
Sometimes you have to look reality in the face and say 'No!'
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If you need any help, don't. Hesitate to ask.

  

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300. "his cold is back"
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303. "this story is going nowhere"
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-Ben (Reaper)

If you need any help, don't. Hesitate to ask.

  

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304. "50, 55 zero, 50"
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--
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If you need any help, don't. Hesitate to ask.

  

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305. "Thus far…not a disaster, but not campaign saving either. "
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307. "on a human level I feel really bad"
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like I feel his nervousness. I'm sure this is all hurtful for him

but its not about him, and as an american I'm just wtf??

he's not doing horribly but at this point anything short of what we saw at the sotu is all bad

  

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310. "I remember when my grandmas were told they couldn't drive anymore."
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One bitched and moaned about it but ultimately acquiesced because she could no longer pretend-- she had to acknowledge she was too slow and infirmed to safely drive a car anymore.

The other refused and kept driving. Until one day she drove her car into a nail salon. Then she stopped.

The former is really painful and hard. And notably better than the latter.

More Christmas movies coming in 2025...

  

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312. "part of me wants him to prove us all wrong for that reason "
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hes been running for president for most of our lives, he finally got there, he's finally like hey, they really like me, and y'know im actually pretty good at this.... now half the people he assumed had his back, wanna take him out back and Old Yeller him

but that's just looking at Joe the man. The stakes are a tad bit higher than Joe Biden's feelings


and hoooly shit @

>The other refused and kept driving. Until one day she drove
>her car into a nail salon. Then she stopped.

I cared for my grandma in her later years. She didn't drive but there were so many "you can't/ you have to" moments which were really rough, because her independence was such a point of pride for her.

  

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314. "Holy shit, Hillary just used my analogy... in defense of Joe."
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https://nypost.com/2024/07/11/us-news/hillary-clinton-warns-mutinous-dems-they-cant-force-biden-out-jokes-its-like-taking-the-keys-away-from-older-parents/

"Hillary Clinton warns mutinous Dems they ‘can’t force Biden out,’ jokes it’s like ‘taking the keys away from older parents’"

... you should absolutely take the keys away from older parents! It sucks, but the alternative can have dire consequences!

And yeah, as a person, I absolutely feel for Joe. It's an awful situation to get what you want right as you're entering old age decline. But yeah, way too much at stake to let the guy keep at it if you think he's losing.

More Christmas movies coming in 2025...

  

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334. "well we should absolutely listen to her advice on how to beat"
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Donald Trump.


Actually...fuck it...lets run Joe and Hillary as co-presidents this time out. Maybe put forward a cabinet that includes Chelsea, Rahm, and Hunter. Just go all in.

Lets go all in on the out-of-touch, arrogant stupidity.


Ross Perot really made democrats everywhere think the Clintons had some kind of secret sauce. If we get that far, I can't wait until the Clintons and their sycophants are flushed from the party for eternity.

  

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308. "Damn, give this dude a Red Bull "
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Or shot with vitamin b-12

  

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313. "Fake news Jim Crow Joe wins in a landslide."
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Top Cop Kamala Harris, the first Jamaican, Indian, and Asian American VP brings out those communities en masse.

Latino, LGBT, and white women support Biden in greater numbers resulting in a landslide.

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

"root for everybody black haters say that's crazy, wow..."

  

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356. "Trump wins the Black Mormon vote"
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all three of y'all.

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306. "."
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315. "i dunno, he looks alright here."
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https://twitter.com/MentallyDivine/status/1811947102097838466

  

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316. "my takeaway is, that harden beard guy is awful"
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>https://twitter.com/MentallyDivine/status/1811947102097838466

  

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317. "Is the bar on the floor?"
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318. "someone apparently just tried to assassinate Trump and failed. "
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great. we're even more fucked.

  

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319. "Shots fired in Butler PA at Trump rally"
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maybe they were shooting AR-15’s in the backyard

its that type of town.

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320. "i'm tired of living in historic times."
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like, so historic that you can't even believe this was real.

them pops sounded real far away then he's bleeding but it don't really look like he's SHOT.

and we live in the time of so much fake shit.

i hate it here.

  

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321. "Heinz 57 ketchup packets. "
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323. "You wild"
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They shooting aw made you look.

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322. "probably needs its own post"
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but damn. this is not good. gonna be a bumpy ride

  

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324. "But guns are good"
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Anyways, could have just as easily been someone shooting in the distance or a fight broke out in the parking lot.

If someone was shooting at him, how did no one behind him catch a random stray bullet.

  

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325. "That looked so damn staged"
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Secret Service does not take that amount of time to remove a vip from a dangerous situation. Let alone let the vip stand up and expose himself and pump his fist in the air. GTFOH

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328. "trump was negotiating putting his shoes back on...which seemed odd"
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>Secret Service does not take that amount of time to remove a
>vip from a dangerous situation. Let alone let the vip stand up
>and expose himself and pump his fist in the air. GTFOH

  

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333. "Out of there fist pumping like Pauly D doesn’t help conspiracy theorie..."
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327. "I hope it was done by a Maga nutjob to help win the election. "
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If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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329. "It’s massively fucked up that I don’t know what’s real anymore. "
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330. "a person was killed in the crowd"
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the shooter was killed on a roof.

some whispers that what hit Trump wasn't a bullet but broken glass from a teleprompter. pretty crazy if the clear glass (hard to see from 100m away on roof) teleprompter saved Trump's life.

but staging this...almost impossible. this isn't 1963. everyone is carrying a camera--panopticon, everyone Zapruder. bullets are real...and will either be found or not found. it's almost certainly real: someone tried to shoot and kill Donald Trump.

  

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332. "I’m not blaming Trump or QAnon for my distrust. "
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Just uh, decades of US policy.

This shit sucks.

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326. "This is bad. Really bad. Unless you’re MAGA, then it’s a fucking gif..."
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-Sig-

“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

-All Stah's view on undocumented immigrants wanting to be treated like human beings.

  

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331. "this will be Biden's test"
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can he steady the country. what will he say?

Biden team is pulling down campaign ads (attacking Trump). but he's going to have to address this head on and be a voice of reason, sanity. show that he can command the country through a crisis.

  

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335. "Trump classified document indictment dismissed "
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Teflon (literally) Don.
All the criminal cases against him are falling apart.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/florida-judge-dismisses-trump-classified-documents-case-rcna161878

The Florida judge overseeing Donald Trump's classified documents case dismissed the indictment against the former president Monday on the grounds that the appointment and funding of special counsel Jack Smith was illegal.

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336. "whole shit feels like a bad tubi movie on Hallmark"
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Hillary faints on 9/11
Trump has shittiest 4 years ever
Global Pandemic to get him out of office
Biden to the rescue
Storms the fucking capital
convicted of all types of shit yet all the cases fall apart
Biden shows up to the debate looking like death yet refuses to step down
Hunter is a drugged out son who still has his dad’s ear
Trump gets grazed a few days before the convention

All we need is a building to explode for this movie to really have some sizzle

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337. "Talk to people in real life about this..."
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I know we go on and on online and look at social media for social queues, but this place called the internet is only "real" in a sense. People go to vote and we affect those we have "real" contact and interactions with. It's all up to us as it always has been. I'm not resigned to any outcome they chirp about. Knock on doors if you have to.

**Sig**
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340. "yeah, I think the internet skews expectations "
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and polls

honestly, maybe its because we were on the mountains over the weekend at a family gathering but it felt like no one was actually talking about this in public where we were located.

Our family is mostly from Pittsburgh so we were tripping that it happened in Butler because that’s PWT territory.

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338. "Nothing is taking this fucking guy down. "
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(Told you so)

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339. "Out of everybody I met, who told the truth?"
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Time did. - Common Sense

This goes either way or even no way.

**Sig**
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341. "Trump picked JD Vance as VP"
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342. "a sign of the crazy times we live in, if you ask me..."
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is me seeing this essentially confirmed on Twitter (i ain't calling it "X") 90 mins before any major outlets reported it after Trump issued the news himself.

like, no wonder traditional media mostly sucks and is grasping at straws.

  

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343. "Only 39 years old so he will be in power for the next 30 years"
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Trump is old and despite what people think, will die sooner than later.

Trump is Darth Plagueis, Vance is our Palpatine.

  

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352. "jd vance will be president til january 2037"
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unless the dems get rid of everyone, get a fucking clue and rebuild.

  

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344. "Tim Scott gobbled all that dick for nothing."
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345. "lulz"
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346. "he was never gonna pick Scott."
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Scott still has SOME decency and decorum left in him, and CAN be measured and reasonable.

Trump made that mistake before with Pence. he wasn't gonna make that mistake again. he had to pick someone who'd roll with his unhindgedness and bend over backwards when told.

  

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347. "yep"
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358. "lol"
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348. "poor litte Marco"
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I don't know that much about Vance but he seems to be the biggest lapdog of the frontrunners. Marco and Youngkin can't be trusted to not bail on him once its politically safe

  

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349. "agreed."
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Vance will let Trump ignore/suspend the constitution. He will also not speak so much as an objection when Trump hands Ukraine to Putin.

  

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350. "like every other Trump simp, he started out like"
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https://x.com/MEtzold/status/1812928232301138246?t=6rrqky7oILfR2Nnbzb1FsA&s=19

also called trump America's hitler

  

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351. "wrong post . delete"
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353. "the only path to victory i see is gretchen whitmer"
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biden and harris realize they are terrible politicians, they get out of the way for the best female candidate, she takes on Trump and wins.

gretchen whitmer was raped and had an abortion.

insane Trump supporters plotted to assassinate her.

she's the only shot. not likely to happen but that's my 2 cents.

  

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354. "if she had more runway"
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and the other day didn't happen

I doubt she wants to risk it all now

but she's def my choice of anyone out there

  

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368. "extraordinary times, extraordinary measures"
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i bet she would do it but is facing this wall of party institutional naysayers who have been calling it impossible from the jump. it can't be done!

yes it fucking can, have the hard conversations and take away the keys.

btw people keep bringing up the campaign money being tied only to Biden or Harris. this should be a non-factor. a) a lot of that money can be moved to whoever the dem candidate is. b) if Gretchen Whitmer emerges as the candidate at the convention...money would fly in fast.

also re: short runtime. i wonder how much this matters in 2024. people can learn about anything very fast. she can hit the tv, podcast circuit full force and be very well known by the end of the week. i don't know if she's got the juice...but if she just became THE FACE talking about what Roe v Wade meant to her. what it felt like to be targeted by assassins. how she fixed the damn roads in Michigan (and Flint's water)....this gives voters something to sink their teeth into, talk about. Biden is quarterbacking ZERO of the conversation. he's causing concern, not hope, excitement, determination to beat Trump.

the party line types love predictability and it has squeezed the party to death. you can't plan greatness. sometimes you have to say fuck the norms and get out of the way. there is almost nothing to lose in this case.

  

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355. "A+ Polls today have Trump ahead in every "
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single swing state. Up by 2-7 points on Biden.

Pre-shooting data.

Democratic senate candidates in same states
are outpolling Biden 10-14 points.

Only 30% of Dems are enthusiastic about
their candidate.
Joe Biden is going to lose.

If Democrats don’t find a way to run someone-
anyone- else, we are fucked.

And I can only assume that they really don’t believe
Trump is as bad as they say.

How do you cede the country to a wannabe dictator
to hold out for 28?

How do you let Trump appoint at least 1 more SC
judge?

So it’s the most important election of our lives, but
it’s not important enough for (insert Democratic
candidate) to risk their chance to be President in 28?

And we’ll be expected to get in line for them in 28?

Nah. Really tired of “the good guys” or “lesser evil”
expecting us to care this much more than they do.

“Democracy is on the line”….but it’s still not as important
as Joe Biden’s ego, Jill Biden having a staff, respecting
archaic norms, DNC not wanting to look messy, and
Harris/Whitmere/Shapiro/Pitzker/Newsome/ whoever
not risking 28 chances.

Fucking hypocrites.

He’s going to lose and lose the house.

To Donald Trump.

  

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367. "agree"
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watching the captain sink the ship then asking for a turn in 2028? that boat might be very deep underwater by then. the time to act is now. the lester holt Biden interview? the guy can't meet the moment. we've seen this over and over. conceding 4 more years without a fight? lot of very bad, loser, I'm moving to Portugal! energy flying around. who on the left has fight in them? now or never.

>How do you cede the country to a wannabe dictator
>to hold out for 28?
>
>How do you let Trump appoint at least 1 more SC
>judge?
>
>So it’s the most important election of our lives, but
>it’s not important enough for (insert Democratic
>candidate) to risk their chance to be President in 28?
>
>And we’ll be expected to get in line for them in 28?
>
>Nah. Really tired of “the good guys” or “lesser
>evil”
>expecting us to care this much more than they do.
>



>“Democracy is on the line”….but it’s still not as
>important
>as Joe Biden’s ego, Jill Biden having a staff, respecting
>archaic norms, DNC not wanting to look messy, and
>Harris/Whitmere/Shapiro/Pitzker/Newsome/ whoever
>not risking 28 chances.
>
>Fucking hypocrites.
>
>He’s going to lose and lose the house.
>
>To Donald Trump.

cosign.

careerism is a factor. people trying to protect their bag not the country.

  

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364. "No one knows her. And 3 months isn't enough time to get familiar "
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I'd guess half of the voting public doesn't even recognize her name.

Realistically it can only be Biden or Harris.

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366. "I honestly don't think this is the case anymore"
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As fast as things move...and as bad as things are looking for Biden...I dunno.

I think part of the problem is the "stick with Biden" folks/Dems are still operating like these are normal political times.

Things done changed. A fucking ton.


Has it ever happened in history? No. But a President with these approval numbers has never won a reelection either.

So, some people are cherry picking precedents to focus on.


I think passing up Kamala has a lot of fucking issues, though.


I don't think the time is a big problem, though. I'm not even advocating for them, but I think candidates like Gretchen and Newsome are probably known enough.

And a lot of people would be relieved for someone new. Excited even.

Also, someone pointed out it happens in places like the UK all of the time.


My worry is Democrats' lack of imagination/guts/bravery/etc and obsession with how things normally go is just marching us to certain defeat.

Like I said, Joe Biden will lose. If they really believe Trump is a threat to democracy and that he will likely seat 1-2 more judges, how do they justify not being bold?

  

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359. "RIP America, it was not so good while it lasted."
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>Feels like tonight is the official start. Let's get it
>cracking


glad I got my exit plan in place years ago.


i never in a million years thought that democrats would become this much a toothless pathetic opposition in the face of white supremacy and fascism

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360. "Amber Rose speaking at the RNC is a head scratcher"
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trying to get the satanist slut vote?

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361. ""I used to think MAGA was racist, but I did my research, and it's not!""
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All while she was speaking immediately after this dude:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Kirk#Racial_issues

  

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365. "and GOP voters are mad af she was there"
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362. "I wonder how big the “Satanist Slut” voting bloc is"
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-Sig-

“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

-All Stah's view on undocumented immigrants wanting to be treated like human beings.

  

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363. "Her and Scott are Diamond n Silk 2.0"
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>trying to get the satanist slut vote?
>
>

  

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370. "In a way it's a bit on brand..."
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You know full and damn well people are outraged the woman known for pushing the something called a slut walk and having multiple baby daddies out of wedlock faces scorn.

Heritage Foundation for damn sure hated her appearance as a sign of pushing promiscuity to their voter base. Someone told me that in real life.

Where's the Democrat version of Mandate for Leadership and Project 2025? Mandate for Leadership is the early 80's version of Project 2025. Almost 60% of policy recommendations from Mandate for Leadership were passed.

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

"root for everybody black haters say that's crazy, wow..."

  

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375. "i assume this is true cuz it's what i assumed her motivation was..."
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from jump.

https://x.com/acnewsitics/status/1813500675914952782

it's why all these rappers wanna get close to Trump. if they got jammed up already, or think they might, they can sell Trump to "the culture" in exchange for a Get Out of Jail Free card.

  

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388. "yep"
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https://x.com/politvidchannel/status/1813530679512318400

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If you need any help, don't. Hesitate to ask.

  

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391. "grifters gonna grift. "
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at least now people, if they're paying attention at all, won't be confused by her motivations.

souls be so cheap.

  

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369. "Biden hints at SCOTUS reform"
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https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/16/politics/supreme-court-reform-joe-biden-ethics-immunity-term-limits?cid=ios_app

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371. "Aw sick ! One tiny concession that only could've passed two+ years ago."
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What a desperate fucking slug.

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372. "yeah, why the fuck did he wait so long"
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374. "The latest decisions ramped up their corruption by orders of magnitude."
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So the simple answer is that it wasn't worth the political costs a year ago.

And even now, the whole thing is pretty vacuous. Very little of this can be done by executive order. Most of it would require bills to pass through Mike Johnson's House. So it might be something to run on politically, in the hopes of winning the House and (by an even bigger miracle) holding the Senate. But even if they can do that, the laws that they could pass would still be completely toothless. In case we haven't noticed, the Supreme Court has the power to declare any law unconstitutional. Obviously they would do that with any law that usurps their authority.

Even if we can pass a constitutional amendment (which has laughably entered the discussion), the Supreme Court is the only arbiter of how to interpret the Constitution.

The only check that anyone has on the Supreme Court (at least for as long as this continues to be recognized) is the power of appointments. The real way for Joe Biden or Kamala Harris to transform the court would be simply to be in office, hopefully holding the Senate, when eventually Clarence Thomas and/or Sam Alito retire or are forced from office. If more people would have showed up to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016 the court would have a 6-3 progressive majority, not the other way around. When we failed to do that, this is the court we got, at least until we can claw our way back.

  

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"stop telling this lie already"


          

If more
>people would have showed up to vote for Hillary Clinton in
>2016 the court would have a 6-3 progressive majority, not the
>other way around.

That is absolutely not true, and you know it, so I don't know you think you need to keep lying about it.

Granted it wouldn't be 6-3 conservative, but it would not be 6-3 progressive GTFOH.

I think you should stick to posting about green energy and star trek and shit.

Your weird Clinton fandom blinds you to objective reality.



When we failed to do that, this is the court
>we got, at least until we can claw our way back.
>
>

There should have been a better, more likable candidate in 2016.

And Biden should have talked court reform/expansion when he wasn't hated/distrusted/etc.


But it doesn't matter anyway- Biden is going to run, lose, and the court will probably be 7-2 when its all said and done.


I'm sure you will find a way to blame voters though rather than the demented narcissist and his enablers....while marginalized communities suffer you can soothe yourself by saying "she won the popular vote" and remain safe and unaffected.

  

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396. "What the fuck are you talking about?"
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Scalia was already out. Hillary probably would have just carried over the Merrick Garland nomination. Whether you choose to call him "progressive" or not is a matter of your own id.

Kennedy just retired because he was ready to retire. By that point in his career he was right-wing on business issues but left-wing on social issues, and he was notably skeptical of Trump. He co-wrote the majority decisions on Casey and Obergefell. There is absolutely no reason to assume that he would hold out his retirement looking for a bomb-thrower to overrule his most noted decisions.

And then there's RBG, who as I'm sure you'd be gleeful to note, chose to be a jurist and not a politician (like Kennedy) and died in office (unlike Kennedy).

All three of those seats would have been appointed by the 2016 winner, unless you're presuming that Mitch McConnell, with his two-seat majority, would have somehow had the political wherewithal to hold those seats vacant for four full years. Everything's possible these days, but that kind of thing still hasn't happened today and we don't just get to choose our own fantasyland.

So that's a 6-3 majority. And I really don't see how you find it so controversial. I have a feeling the anger that you have for this simple fact is mainly because it clarifies how much more important the general electorate is than the primary electorate.

  

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376. "."
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377. "^^^^"
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Seriously fuck these people and anyone making excuses for them

  

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378. "It's funny cuz it's so fucking clear what he's/they're doing."
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He knows he's dead in the water, so in a pathetic attempt to shore up some progressive votes he's proposing something that had momentum 4 years ago but that he knows has no chance in hell of passing now. It's so transparent and desperate.

Fuck them all. It's so condescending, like they're presenting candy to a toddler then pulling it away.

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373. "too late"
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379. "Would be wonderful to give Trump another 4 seats."
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What a fucking mess we're in.

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381. "lol exactly."
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382. "RIGHT? jesus"
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402. "He's not talking about expanding the court, and that's exactly why."
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Expanding the court was a stupid idea from the very beginning, and Joe had to expend some political capital holding it off until the "progressive" stupidity died down.

  

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380. "Schiff Dogg: Drop out, old man."
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This is a pretty big domino to fall.

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383. "Biden would consider dropping out if medical condition emerged"
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this nigga doing his best to fuck over the next generation.

Cmon Joe!!


https://dnyuz.com/2024/07/17/biden-says-hed-consider-dropping-out-if-a-medical-condition-emerged/

President Biden said in an interview released on Wednesday that he would re-evaluate whether to stay in the presidential race if a doctor told him directly that he had a medical condition that made that necessary.

Mr. Biden has said repeatedly that none of his doctors have told him he has a serious medical condition. Dr. Kevin O’Connor, the White House physician, wrote after the president’s physical in February that Mr. Biden is “a healthy, active, robust, 81-year-old male who remains fit to successfully execute the duties of the presidency.”

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389. "He said the same thing in his post-debate interview "
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I don't see this as him leaving the door open

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398. "As much as we want to think we're getting the inside story on twitter,"
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we really shouldn't take any of these denials to the bank.

I say this as someone who's wanted Joe out since the debate, and as someone dismayed to see him apparently trying to hang on.

But there's a game theory problem here. Even if they wanted to, the campaign can't move on this issue one centimeter before they're ready to go whole hog. If they tried to drop Joe from the ticket but then found out they couldn't, then we'd be in a whole new universe of "this race is over."

For all we know, Joe might have decided to drop out weeks ago but the campaign's lawyers have been insisting that they aren't ready to announce it until they have their legal strategy ready in all 50 states. Nothing like this has happened in the modern era and Republicans will definitely sue.

I'm not saying Joe's definitely waiting to get out. But the fact that he's saying "not under any circumstances" doesn't really mean anything, because it's really the only thing he can say.

  

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427. "This isn't a bad point actually. Very plausible."
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>For all we know, Joe might have decided to drop out weeks ago
>but the campaign's lawyers have been insisting that they
>aren't ready to announce it until they have their legal
>strategy ready in all 50 states. Nothing like this has
>happened in the modern era and Republicans will definitely
>sue.

Whether or not they care to sue is one thing, but getting a campaign and legal strategy together takes time and therefore your point makes a lot of sense to my untrained mind. They also need proper messaging.

Can't take too much time, tho.

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384. "Biden rambling in zoom call "
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Dude sounds like an angry, “ANGRY like an old man trying to return soup at a deli!” - Costanza


About an hour before a 20-year-old gunman rattled off three shots at Donald Trump on Saturday, Joe Biden got nasty at times in a “tense” Zoom meeting with dozens of moderate Democratic lawmakers who called his viability on the presidential ticket into question.

Among them was Rep. Jason Crow (D-CO), a former Army Ranger who served three tours in the Middle East, who found himself on the brunt end of a personal attack from Biden after he asked about the importance of national security to voters in November, Puck reported.

“First of all, I think you’re dead wrong on national security,” the president said to Crow. “You saw what happened recently in terms of the meeting we had with NATO. I put NATO together. Name me a foreign leader who thinks I’m not the most effective leader in the world on foreign policy. Tell me! Tell me who the hell that is!”


Biden’s response then got personal with Crow.

“Tell me something you’ve never done with your Bronze Star like my son,” Biden said.

Crow reportedly remained calm, responding, “It’s not breaking through, Mr. President, to our voters.”

“You oughta talk about it!” Biden shot back, according to Puck. “On national security, nobody has been a better president than I’ve been. Name me one. Name me one! So I don’t want to hear that crap!”

The Bronze Star is awarded for either heroic achievement, heroic service, meritorious achievement, or meritorious service in a combat zone.

Biden’s son, Beau Biden, received the medal for his service in Iraq in 2008 and 2009 as a member of the Judge Advocate General (JAG) Corps. Crow received his citation in 2003 for his actions as a platoon leader in the 82nd Airborne Division during the Battle of Samawah—the largest sustained urban combat that paratroopers of the 82nd Airborne had been involved in since World War II.


Calls for Biden to bow out of the presidential race have reduced to a minimum after the assassination attempt on Trump, despite polls showing he’s slated to be soundly defeated in key battleground states.

Biden’s call on Saturday did little to calm the nerves of Democrats in tight races of their own, with lawmakers telling Puck that Biden was “rambling,” “dismissive of concerns,” and “unable or unprepared to present a campaign strategy.”

One lawmaker on the call told the website that they’d lost “a ton” of respect for Biden after the meeting.

“He was rambling,” the unnamed lawmaker said. “He’d start an answer then lose his train of thought, then would just say ‘whatever.’ He really couldn’t complete an answer. I lost a ton of respect for him.”

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385. "Sounding/acting more and more like Trump everyday."
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>“You oughta talk about it!” Biden shot back, according to Puck. “On national security, nobody has been a better president than I’ve been. Name me one. Name me one! So I don’t want to hear that crap!”

Christ.

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386. "Who put this together? Me! That’s who!!! "
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441. "LOL!"
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___________________

Mar-A-Lago delenda est

  

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387. "Honestly, it's so fucking depressing."
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Like, he's rambling. He's nonsensical at times. He's got "hits" he's playing (I swear, since the debate...we've heard the, "Name a (insert name) that would switch places with me! You couldn't!" type of response at least 3 times now), he's orange, he's talking about fucking golf handicaps and getting into a whos stronger argument with Trump...

...what are we DOING????

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390. "Every voter in America has or had an elder who did this"
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and we knew it was time to take the keys away or have them move in with us.

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392. "the only thing he can do and not look terrible is win "
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he steps aside now and it's forever his fault for not doing it sooner
he stays in and loses, it's forever his fault for stepping aside

his only good option is winning

which ain't happening

  

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393. "but, this is why he ain't dropping out."
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he's gonna get blamed either way, so might as well take your shot and see if you get lucky and pull it off.

  

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394. "Yuck."
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So narcissistic.

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399. "We also don't know for sure that Kamala is a stronger candidate in the e..."
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(And I hope we're past fooling ourselves. If it isn't Biden, it has to be Harris. It's not just about placating Harris supporters -- if the party wants to claim competence, and we do, then we can't come back and say that our middle-aged VP isn't up for the race either.)


When LBJ dropped out he endorsed his VP, Hubert Humphrey, much earlier in the race than we are now. Humphrey got blamed for the negatives, got no credit for the positives, and he lost in a landslide to fucking Nixon. LBJ probably would have done better in that race than Humphrey.


I think it's pretty clear that Harris would win the popular vote, which counts for basically nothing.

I bet she'd do better in Georgia, but the hole there is so big right now I don't think that should be our main concern. Same story in NC.

Michigan? The first president ever to walk a picket line vs another female technocrat, and this time from California?

Arizona? No. Nevada? Maybe.

Wisconsin is the only swing state where I'm confident Kamala would do better than Joe. And Virginia, if we've gotten to the point of worrying about that.

And I say this as someone who's wanted Joe to pass the torch since ten minutes into the debate. But this really is a hail mary pass. It's a little silly to pretend ego is the only reason he wouldn't go for it.

  

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424. "So is continuing to run Joe."
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>But this really is a hail
>mary pass. It's a little silly to pretend ego is the only
>reason he wouldn't go for it.

It's also a little silly to think that Joe continuing to drag his dead ass to the finish line isn't a hail mary. I'd rather a hail mary running somebody who can actually speak and walk, than a hail mary with a dead guy who can't even articulate his own case.

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429. "Oh I agree."
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All I'm saying is that none of this public conversation is based on facts. It's mostly about panic. In 2020 the campaign sold Joe as being a steady hand with the experience to move rationally through a crisis. But now we're all flipping out and calling our own candidate an egomaniac for doing just that.

For all we know he could have been planning on an exit a month ago but just waiting for the right time to announce it, after the competition has gotten cocky and burned their entire convention running against the wrong guy. I know it sounds silly, but he's proven himself as a strategist in battle after battle with the Congress, and still even we don't have the imagination to see him as anything but a doddering old fool.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to be in the party where everybody thinks and shares ideas, rather than the party where everybody clings to the fearless leader and hopes for salvation. But we also have a habit of shooting ourselves in the foot.

  

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431. "All good points. Agree especially w/2nd paragraph."
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>All I'm saying is that none of this public conversation is
>based on facts. It's mostly about panic. In 2020 the campaign
>sold Joe as being a steady hand with the experience to move
>rationally through a crisis. But now we're all flipping out
>and calling our own candidate an egomaniac for doing just
>that.
>
>For all we know he could have been planning on an exit a month
>ago but just waiting for the right time to announce it, after
>the competition has gotten cocky and burned their entire
>convention running against the wrong guy. I know it sounds
>silly, but he's proven himself as a strategist in battle after
>battle with the Congress, and still even we don't have the
>imagination to see him as anything but a doddering old fool.
>
>Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to be in the party where
>everybody thinks and shares ideas, rather than the party where
>everybody clings to the fearless leader and hopes for
>salvation. But we also have a habit of shooting ourselves in
>the foot.

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395. "I've been waiting for Clarence Thomas to die...."
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And my brother pointed out to me that if Trump wins, Thomas retires and earns a gazillion bucks in the private sector and Trump appoints a young person as bad or worst than Thomas.

I've spent the last 20 years hoping that dude gets the extra helping of pork chops and it probably won't happen that way.


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397. "And Biden has tested positive for Covid "
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Maybe he will use this as an off ramp to step down as the nominee.

  

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400. "Offramp or excuse. Can't wait to find out. "
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fingers crossed for offramp.

In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
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401. "He's fully vaccinated and boosted, and he's had it twice before. "
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It'll be no worse than a cold.

I'm sure they'll put him on that antiviral, so he probably won't even get a fever.

It'd be a more interesting story if Kennedy got it. Or Trump (I think Trump was vaccinated, but I highly doubt he's gotten any boosters since then).

  

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403. "perfect opportunity "
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421. "Joy Reid: Biden surviving covid same as Trump surviving assassination "
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attempt

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/joy-reid-equates-bidens-covid-bout-with-trumps-near-assassination-isnt-that-exactly-the-same/

  

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404. "So why do we all think we'd be better off without Biden?"
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And I ask this as one of the first people here to say the debate should push Biden out (post 24). So this is me questioning my own assumptions. And taking a brief break from the important business of progressive self-loathing that we seem to fixate on every cycle, doing our damnedest to convince everyone who'll listen that the only progressive who's gotten any votes in this race is supposedly a decrepit egomaniac (even though his misspeaking problems are only slightly worse now than in the dozen or so races he's won before) -- self-owning ourselves like it's 2016 all over again.

Joe is behind in this race. But not by much. He's behind in basically every swing state, and I know that's scary. But we also overstate its significance. These states are statistically correlated. If they move, they move in groups (like they did for Trump in 2016). Last I heard, Nate Silver (who's also calling for Joe to drop out, FWIW) was still giving Joe about 1 in 4 odds to win (I don't know the current number because I'm not gonna pay for his substack). That's not an inside straight, that's like a high pair.


If it's not Joe, who is it?

Gretchen Whitmer, JB Pritzker, Wes Moore, Josh Shapiro, ... They're all very pretty little baubles. Let's be proud of our deep bench. We might have some exciting primaries in a few cycles. But none of these people has ever run a national race. None of these people looks any more promising than Jeb Bush did for the Republicans in 2015.

And any one of them would have to find a way to explain why they're more qualified than the sitting Vice President. And it's not just about how icky it would be for some white dude to jump in line over the first Black and female vice president (though that would indeed be pretty creepy). But also this magical outsider candidate would need to find a way to remind voters that Trump is an incompetent chaos agent, so they really ought to consider this backup-candidate to the backup-candidate, who got on the ballot only by winning 35% of the votes of Biden delegates at a raucous convention.


So how about Kamala Harris (again, my preferred candidate, FWIW)? Like I said in a bit of a non-sequitur above, I'm very confident she could do better than Joe in the popular vote, but that means nothing. Do we really think Kamala Harris would do better than Joe in Michigan (the most overtly pro-union President in history)? Pennsylvania (which Joe consistently gets a benefit out of calling his home state)? Nevada (libertarian country, where they hate lawyers and they hate California)? Arizona (where everybody's old and they hate California even more)? I'm having a hard time seeing it.



So what do we do? Well as for me, I'm just trying to calm the fuck down and leave the impossible decisions to the only people who can make them anyway, people who have a lot more information and experience than I do. Maybe Joe is being a stubborn egomaniac right now. Or maybe he's just well aware that he has to forcefully say no right up until the moment he says yes. But it's been reported for weeks now that the campaign has been running internal polls on Harris vs Trump, as they should be. That's the only way that a decision as consequential as this should be made.


So I'm for Blue no matter who. And you should be too.

  

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405. "Gretchen Whitmer is the candidate"
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Joe retiring is a given. Kamala Harris is not a good politician.



Gretchen Whitmer is:

- likeable

- a woman who had an abortion after being raped

- a woman who was targeted for assassination

- the governor of a swing state



She's the one.




(lot of confused bullshit in your post that's not worth addressing rn--some other time...)

  

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406. "Lol fantasy football over here."
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Three weeks ago you didn't even know who Gretchen Whitmer was. I'd wager you've never even seen her give a speech.

If Trump wins this one, she starts out as the leading candidate for 2028, I'll give you that.

But standing up a candidate for the most important office in the world, 100 days before the election, who's never gotten a vote from anyone outside her home state, is not a winning strategy. You're working through the stages of denial.

  

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408. "RE: Lol fantasy football over here."
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>Three weeks ago you didn't even know who Gretchen Whitmer was.
>I'd wager you've never even seen her give a speech.

just like handle, you like to make shit up about people you don't know.

she is the best person to put Trump in his place. everyone was talking about this election being about Roe v Wade, well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUlKLJ1Dsvk

Gretchen on the Breakfast club
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Ev9QTvy5U&t=458s

Kamala:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwsCIJlYUUg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh_wQUjeaTk


>If Trump wins this one, she starts out as the leading
>candidate for 2028, I'll give you that.
>

you and yours will not mind this outcome terribly, so long as the broken party bureaucracy remains intact. the Reagan-Bush republicans all hated Trump. they were out of touch. just like you are out of touch yet still on your "trust me because I trust Pelosi, this is how it HAS to be". Trump tapped into energy. you type things like yuck scary creepy and baubles, you got your fingers on the fondue, not the pulse.



>But standing up a candidate for the most important office in
>the world, 100 days before the election, who's never gotten a
>vote from anyone outside her home state, is not a winning
>strategy. You're working through the stages of denial.
>

so says the guy still whining about no one seeing the light about hillary clinton. no one likes kamala harris. the election is about swing states and not hemorrhaging more white voters, Cali cop Kamala aint it. she talks like she's still faded from the doobie she smoked listening to Tha Shiznit in 1977.

Biden's team COVERED UP his decline. the answer is to go outside Biden's people, outside of the rotten DC Democratic core. something fresh. clinton (arkansas governor), obama (fresh), hillary, biden. how many times do you want to run weirdo insiders before you wise up? it is amazing how close Biden was to losing. 08 Obama would have beat 2020 Trump by 10 points. kamala has had 4 years to endear herself to the american people. has she? the fact that we are talking about a guy who looks at death's door possibly having a better shot tells us the answer is NO.

  

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409. "You're more fun when you're selling covid misinformation "
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than these more textbook GOP tropes.

But it really doesn't matter. Who are you trying to sell Gretchen Whitmer to? I don't think Ron Klain is lurking on OKP.

I promise you, if she becomes the nominee, I will happily vote for her. But I really don't think that's likely and your paper-deep analysis doesn't add up to half what you think it does.

  

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411. "be specific, what did i say that was wrong about covid? nm"
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414. "RE: You're more fun when you're selling covid misinformation "
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>than these more textbook GOP tropes.

this is the type of thinking that got the democrats in this mess. i think a the female governor of Michigan should be president and i get accused of being GOP-adjacent (or something). ok bro.


you can't map this all out beforehand. but you can go based on available information. Kamala has been on the national scene for years and the response to her, at best, has been mixed. she doesn't wow people. your thinking is too risk-averse. Obama was a risk, right? and how'd that work out?

Biden's circle is poison right now. infuse new life from a swing state. don't need to overthink this. running someone from within the circle who doesn't inspire people = a bad decision. running someone from a swing state who can rally women around roe v wade = better decision.

kamala harris, btw, has also never won a national election. someone new is a good idea.

do you want to address any of that or stay snide?

  

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417. "Nah the snideness is well-earned in this case. "
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I can't resist noting, though, that if you think the guy who gave the keynote address at the 2004 convention was seen as a "risk" four years later, after also running the smartest national primary campaign of my lifetime, then you were paying about as much attention in 2008 as you seem to be paying now.

  

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425. "they're waiting for a political superman that won't come."
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I live in a blue dot in a very red state. I have attended local Dem meetings and Dem candidate meet and greets in my city and talked to fellow Dems in my area. I promise you, not one of the names people are throwing around are known to regular people on any sort of winnable level. In my case, Trump is going to win my state no matter what, but if people on the front lines don't know about the potential candidates what makes them think that the average Joe Blow will?

Nobody is denying these people competency or their likeability or the potential for eventual national victories. Just that right now, three months before the election, they are not known well enough to win the presidency.

In regards to the Kamala, I can't over emphasize how much she (was) disliked prior to this point in time. Anti-blackness, misogyny, and plain ole' Russian and Republican disinformation combined to make her one of the most disliked politicians in national politics. It would make sense for her to come and replace Biden, but I honestly think she would perform worse than Biden and lose and we would have a situation where (as usual) a black woman is getting blamed for all the woes in the world through no fault of her own.

I have been consistent in what I believe, but at this point I'm an old man shaking my fists at the sky lol. People are going to believe what they want, and just like anything vibes and emotions easily outweigh anything else.

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433. "Agreed on all counts."
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I have higher expectations for a Harris candidacy than you do, but I'll admit that in part it's because I don't want to let "black women can't win in America" become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Apart from that, she gives a damn strong speech on women's rights, a subject on which we now have a track record of winning (and greatly outperforming polls) even in red states. And I think there are a lot of women out there (and self-appointed male "allies") who felt burned after thinking Hillary had it in the bag in 2016 only to see it slip away at the last moment. I think a lot of people want a second chance to elect a first female President. And if it can be against the "grab em by the pussy" guy, all the better.

The media will also talk about her endlessly as a prosecutor, metaphorically and literally. And I think the most important job for any Democrat right now is to remind the public that it wasn't just a flurry of news cycles about Alvin Bragg and Aileen Cannon and Michael Cohen -- get past the fog and Donald Trump really committed a whole lot of very serious crimes. Why did he want so badly to hold onto all those top-secret nuclear documents? What was he planning to do with them? Nobody's been able to ask him that question and she could do it to devastating effect in the September debate. She's the best debater I've ever seen when she can go on offense. She handed Joe Biden himself the (second) most devastating debate moment of his long career. Actually I think it's pretty unlikely that Trump would even show up for a debate against Kamala. But I'd rather see Trump chicken out than Joe.


Obviously there's a lot of wishful thinking here, though. I could be wrong about all of this. But that's one reason I'm glad it's not my decision anyway.

  

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407. "Wow, JD Vance is a shitty, boring speaker."
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And that little prick is even younger than I am. What's his excuse?

  

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410. "he's peter thiel backed"
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trump picked the smartest guy and yea he's 39. if the dems don't elevate better people, Vance may be prez til 2037. there has been no idea generation on the left for years. look at how narrow the slice of acceptable ideas is on okp. many won't even listen to listen to a peter thiel lecture for fear of contagion. people don't just disagree with this or that belief of elon musk, they actually think he is stupid. so the left has become...very stupid. people don't even know what figures on the right think (outside of hysterical msnbc-style fearmongering headlines). it has become wrongthink to think on the left. i know a lot of smart people who vote democrat but are very worried about how bankrupt the thinking has become. i have a friend who will be voting for Trump (his first time voting republican) because of Vance.


the right has been talking, has been cozying up to tech money and Vance has been tuned in to all of it and is going to be very very hard to beat in 2028.

  

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412. "Lol that's the fif we all remember!"
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Wait, let me take another hit before you start telling us about evolution.

  

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413. "This guy really said "Peter Thiel lecture.""
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Are you getting engrossed by Peter Thiel "lectures" online? Who did Jordan Peterson endorse? Or Joe Rogan?

  

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415. "great point, we should all wear earplugs"
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ive never seen people so afraid of information as the left since 2010. you reap what you sow.

losing a lot of voters seems to be the goal sometimes. can you type a list of acceptable beliefs that i can reference?

it is unacceptable to listen to peter thiel? can you explain why? or do you want to keep beating the drum for not understanding what and how people think?

  

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416. "do you really not realize"
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that this sort of shaming tactic has been a complete disaster for the democrats?

you somehow think it is a bad idea to understand how the billionaire who owns Palantir, who just got his pick for heir apparent nominated as VP....that it is a bad idea to understand what his beliefs are?

very very stupid

  

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419. "Luckily you're just some nobody on the internet, and so am I."
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I'm pretty sure there won't be large-scale electoral consequences for me telling you you're being dumb when you're being dumb.

But Peter Thiel is dumber than you and me combined, and so is Elon. They have influence because they have money, and they have money because they got lucky and they're corrupt. I was never interested in Sheldon Adelson's "ideas" either.

  

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420. "lol"
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ok. ive heard this line on here over and over. no one in the real world believes it

it's laughable Orwellian bs. everyone that you disagree with... should be ignored?

peter thiel is a very smart guy. gasp! so is elon musk

you can disagree with smart people. no one knows what the future holds. but plugging your ears and telling others they should too....very bad idea

  

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418. "if you want to understand Vance, read this"
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https://www.reaganfoundation.org/media/360148/a-time-for-choosing-with-peter-thiel-transcript.pdf

or...choose the stravinskian route of not paying attention to your enemy.

Trump didn't really believe in anything in 2016. Well, these are the people with ideas who he is now listening to.


"I think I will be telling you, nothing surprising or unexpected, nothing even surprising to
maybe start by wallowing a bit on the depressing disaster that was the 2022 midterms.
We, Republicans, did not defeat a single incumbent Democrat senator. We defeated, I believe, one
incumbent Democrat governor and then maybe the House of Representatives was an even worse
outcome where 31 incumbent Democrats chose not to run, a relatively high number. And we,
Republicans, picked up a mere nine seats. And the part of it that's not merely disastrous but also
depressing is just the sense that, if we don't do something different, we're just going to be in this
Groundhog Day where something like this is going to repeat in 2024 or throughout the rest of this
decade. And certainly, my felt sense was that this was structurally supposed to be a very good year for
Republicans. The economy was a disaster, the inflation out of control, the energy policy terrible, not to
say much even about Biden's dementia, but if you can't win in that kind of a context, how are you ever
going to win?
And that's where I had this very depressed as well as very depressed reaction in the aftermath. And two
of my good friends ran for Senate, J.D. Vance in Ohio, Blake Masters in Arizona and so I had a bit of a
ringside seat in their campaigns and looking at a little bit of the nuts and bolts of what was going on.
And I want to suggest there were two basic challenges that we, Republicans, had that were somehow
both very hard and were in some ways a little bit of the opposites, but let me articulate what those two
were. One was somewhat of a substantive agenda problem, "What was it that we were running on?
What sort of specific agenda were we running on?" And somehow, it was light on detail, not too much
on the specifics...

  

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422. "I know it’s not realistic at this point, but Josh Shapiro would "
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destroy Trump in the election. I think Whitmer could likewise handedly defeat Trump if given the time and backing necessary to run a presidential campaign. It’s all a pipe dream at this point though bc Biden and his team did a masterful job of protecting him. If he were to step aside, Kamala is the only logical choice. I just don’t see any practical way to democratically select his replacement. And the idea that people like Pelosi and Schumer would have a say in that is a bit rich.

There were actually quite a few Biden skeptics who were voicing their concern far ahead of the debate. I know Ezra Kline and Bob Costas were pretty vocal in stating that his mental capacities had greatly diminished and given his age, he needed to bow out of the race for the good of the country. The counter argument would be that the country seems to be running fine despite his inability to sound coherent and stay up past 8pm. I think that’s BS though. I don’t think it’s asking too much for wanting a president to be able to have some energy, clearly articulate their vision for America, discuss their policies in depth, and to be trusted to always be on the clock and ready to address the country when needed. I know Biden is a great guy who’s done a lot of good for this country. That doesn’t mean much though, when I tune him out every time he talks. It’s painful.

The powers that be will find a way to spin this to suit their narrative, not taking into account how much distrust they are contributing to within the party. Biden or whoever represents the Democratic Party will still have my vote come November, but they better not mistake my vote for enthusiasm. And in the state of PA, my vote definitely counts.

I’m still holding out hope that the American people will do the right thing, but I’d say it’s probably a 80/20 chance Trump wins. I’m reminded that Clinton was getting destroyed in the polls at this time 32 years ago. Unlike Biden, Clinton had the benefit of time and a strong 3rd party candidate to bolster his chances.

  

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423. "Pelosi told Joe he cant win"
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he got defensive

hoping this Covid announcement is the start of his ending.

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426. "third party candidates running solely to siphon votes from the Dems"
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(and in rfk's case for personal gain)

https://youtu.be/twvC8WSSKao?si=3by5kYb91qRa2DSI

There is a whole industry dedicated towards disenfranchising people, so when I say people need to vote (because of efforts like this), it's astounding that *I'm* the out of touch one for having the audacity to suggest people be more involved in the electoral process.

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428. "telling people who voted that they need to vote is a bit condescending "
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I voted for Hillary and Biden so someone (not you, in general) telling me I need to vote misses the point.

I voted for both those jokers so why am I being lectured on why voting is important?



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430. "30-40% of people don't vote though"
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So obviously when I say people need to vote, I'm not talking about people who regularly vote. I'm talking about people who don't vote, or who only vote in presidential elections.

All elections matter, so we can't just have people vote once every four years and think they should be awarded for doing the barest of the bare minimum.

Last year, I was the only person in my office at my part time job who voted in the primaries. All of my coworkers are intelligent people who care about the community but it wasn't a priority for them. Those are the type of people who I'm talking about, people who seemingly care but can't be bothered to put in the extra effort to focus on smaller details.

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Maybe there are two types of people in the world: those who favor humans over ideology, and those who favor ideology over humans. I prefer humans to ideology, but right now the ideologues are winning.

  

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432. "Telling people they should get out to vote is now condescending??!"
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Everyone is mad sensitive these days.



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434. "when debating people in political threads.. yes"
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I’m not offended by commercials telling people to vote but when we are going back and forth about election results or what we could do to have a better outcome and the response is “vote harder” it is condescending.

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435. "why would he tweet this?"
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https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1813715902250017022?t=Qlfj-grn9NeFHivz2rDyog&s=19

I mean why would the people running his Twitter tweet this?

  

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436. "Saw a meme where he responded to that tweet minutes later ..."
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... "of these hoes." lolol

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437. "Because of his next reply:"
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https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1813716534499393678

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438. "LOL fair enough"
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not sure how effective it is if people don't read that part. I saw it amd scrolled right past it to the other comments without really paying attention to what it was lol

  

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439. "JD Vance left his Venmo public"
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https://www.wired.com/story/jd-vance-venmo/

US senator J.D. Vance, an Ohio Republican and former US president Donald Trump’s pick for vice president, has a public Venmo account that gives an unfiltered glimpse into his extensive network of connections with establishment GOP heavyweights, wealthy financiers, technology executives, the prestige press, and fellow graduates of Yale Law School—precisely the elites he rails against. A WIRED analysis of the account, the people listed as Vance’s friends, and, in turn, the people listed as their friends highlights sometimes bizarre and surprising connections. Experts, meanwhile, worry that the information revealed by the peer-to-peer payment app raises the potential for stalking, trolling, and impersonation.

More than 200 people appear on Vance’s Venmo “friends” list. Among them is Amalia Halikias, government relations director at the Heritage Foundation—the conservative think tank coordinating the controversial Project 2025. So is an assistant US attorney for the Southern District of New York, among many other lawyers for the Department of Justice, frequently decried by Trump loyalists as enemies and part of the “deep state.” So are Jeff Flake, the famously anti-Trump former Arizona senator and current ambassador to Turkey; lobbyists from organizations like the Government Strategies Group; people affiliated with other conservative think tanks like the Hoover Institution and the American Enterprise Institute; journalists and media personalities like Bari Weiss and former Fox News host Tucker Carlson; and tech executives from Anthropic and AOL. (None of these people responded to requests for comment.)

Lanny Davis, a well-known political operative and former lawyer for Trump antagonist Michael Cohen, is among those who denied being Venmo friends with Vance despite seemingly appearing in Vance's contacts. (The account in question, which Davis declined to confirm or deny was his, was also linked to someone named Michael Cohen.) This points to one important caveat—being friends on Venmo does not mean two people have transacted together, or even know the payment app has designated them as friends.

story continues but I’m on my phone.. lol


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440. "is Tyler Perry writing his speech????"
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442. "Evander Holyfield's ear bandage wasn't that big"
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FOH Trump

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444. "90s Tyson vs bullet"
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wash

  

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443. "Trump's ACTUAL reason for picking JD Vance"
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https://youtu.be/F2xo-ad3lRs?si=Ge615VkWhL72x_mL

as VP, JD Vance won't ratify the 2028 election results...

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445. "Even more reason to vote for crypt keeper regardless "
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>https://youtu.be/F2xo-ad3lRs?si=Ge615VkWhL72x_mL
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>as VP, JD Vance won't ratify the 2028 election results...
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447. "Yep."
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This will be the basic criteria for all of Trump's cabinet and administration picks. Unlike 2016, he'll make sure not to hire anyone who will tell him "no," which is why it's so important he loses.


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446. "Why can't congressional Dems have a meeting and come with one statement?"
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30 of them say Biden needs to drop out. Many are "quietly" agreeing with them.

But then you have a whole bunch of people strongly and publicly riding with Biden. Including the congressional black caucus and Hispanic caucus.

This stuff should have been hashed out in a back room somewhere

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448. "because they dont agree and see this as their chance to usurp power?"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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449. "we fell the fuck in line for Biden in 2020"
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if Trump… well, dude is crazy but if he was on deaths door while in power best believe it would be chaos.

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450. "Biden steps down "
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https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1815080881981190320?t=jRaUK3PxMWiHG76Evipk5A&s=19

  

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451. "what a crazy few weeks this has been"
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453. "Cannot be overstated."
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452. "Joe Manchin considering rejoining Democratic Party to challenge Harris"
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This guy.
Is this the start of the chaos? Everyone is going to try to shoot their shot.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4785076-manchin-considers-harris-challenge/

Sen. Joe Manchin (I-W.V.) is considering running against Vice President Harris for the Democratic nomination.

A source familiar with Manchin confirmed that the West Virginia senator is considering reregistering as a Democrat to seek the nomination.

2024 race
Manchin had kicked around running a primary bid against President Biden, but ultimately decided against it. He also did not run for another full term in the upper chamber, with West Virginia Gov. Jim Justice (R) expected to replace him next year.

The longtime moderate Democrat changed his party registration to independent in May in order for him to keep his political options open down the road.

Earlier in the day, Manchin had become fifth senator to call on Biden to leave the presidential race.

“I came to the decision with a heavy heart that I think it’s time to pass the torch to a new generation,” Manchin told CNN’s Jake Tapper on “State of the Union” on Sunday.


“I want him to be the president in the last five months of this presidency of his term, to do what he can do is unite our country, to calm down the rhetoric and be able to focus attention to peace in the world.”

Manchin also advocated for an “open process” in the coming weeks to select a replacement.

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454. "Nobody cares..."
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He can do whatever he wants. He's less relevant than RFK Jr.

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455. "lol what a fucking dork."
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456. "bitchazz needs to shovel some coal and drink a mountain dew "
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466. "RE: bitchazz needs to shovel some coal and drink a mountain dew "
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re: posts from a couple days ago on Appalachia. some songs worth listening to. the Democrats abandoning and talking shit about these folks is Vance's whole point in Hillbilly Elegy. Vance's grandfather was a lifelong Dem.

https://youtu.be/BJH1Uolu7io

Come all of you good workers
Good news to you I'll tell
Of how that good old union
Has come in here to dwell

Chorus
Which side are you on?
Which side are you on?
Which side are you on?
Which side are you on?

My daddy was a miner
And I'm a miner's son
And I'll stick with the union
Till every battle's won

They say in Harlan County
There are no neutrals there
You'll either be a union man
Or a thug for J.H. Blair

Oh, workers can you stand it?
Oh, tell me how you can
Will you be a lousy scab
Or will you be a man?

Don't scab for the bosses
Don't listen to their lies
Us poor folks haven't got a chance
Unless we organize

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dark as a dungeon:
https://youtu.be/OFjBLdyssjc

black rag (live), doc & merle watson:
https://youtu.be/bEg64JgL6vo

bob dylan, north country blues: https://youtu.be/r5GjjUppig8

john prine, paradise: https://youtu.be/ediaZ5DhYjw






  

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457. "smh, zero shame"
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So many of these politicians….it’s hard to believe they’re even real people.

  

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458. "lol well said, it's true."
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>So many of these politicians….it’s hard to believe
>they’re even real people.

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460. "this guy is so annoying"
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nobody likes you, go away.

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461. "fuck right off Manchin, go the way of Sinema"
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459. "Harris is actually out there campaigning...."
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That's gotta be worth like 2 poll point.

It seems like Biden never really got out there. Probably for good reason

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462. "Dude’s body couldn’t take it"
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wouldn’t be surprised if his COVID is actually dementia.

folks joked this man hard and I really thought he was going to come out and prove them wrong again but that nigga was cooked.

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463. "Trump Tells Christians They Won’t Have to Vote in Future"
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-tells-christians-won-t-034613098.html

Trump: You have to get out and vote. You won’t have to do it anymore. Four years, it will be fixed, it will be fine. You won’t have to vote anymore.. In four years, you won’t have to vote again

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464. "aint even trying to hide it"
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they need to turn this into a commercial

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465. "Man, Dems gotta hammer this one. "
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Like, even if people are gaslighted into thinking he’s talking about fixing all the issues or that he can’t run again, etc….

What presidential candidate ever says “don’t worry about your civic duty in the future! It’s all good”.

It’s so fucking alarming.

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468. "Insane."
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467. "Walz seens like a good communicator "
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don't know much about him. read his wikipedia. pretty impressive.

https://x.com/3vanSutton/status/1817586760429555917/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1817586760429555917¤tTweetUser=3vanSutton

will the VP hunt end up bringing to light the person who would have won the primary? could make things awkward.

  

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469. "I hope she picks Walz."
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I agree he's a good communicator, seems to have the disposition to hammer these "weirdos" during the election cycle. He also has a really solid progressive record.

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470. "yeah, the guy almost no one has heard of would’ve won the primary? "
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nah..

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471. "and Minnesota hasn’t gone Repub for over 50 years. We need AZ, NC, PA"
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this would be like picking Vance in terms of electoral strategy IMO.

I think its still between Shapiro, Kelly and Cooper.

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473. "He flipped a hard red Congressional district"
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... and held it through the Tea Party and the Trump movement. He runs on making progressive policy initiatives look common-sense, achievable, and compassionate. His popularity as governor is based on delivering material wins to Minnesotans. Doing politics like Tim Walz is exactly what liberals should be aspiring to, and elevating his profile in the party is an extraordinarily good idea.

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474. "will that play in NC, GA, PA, AZ and such? "
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because flipping a district in Minnesota is way different than getting enthusiasm in North Carolina or Arizona.

It’s don’t know much about him bbt I like his weird criticism of the GOP

Does a good job pointing out just how fucking weird tis whole Trump thing is.. lol.

Ole girl bragged about killing a puppy to try and win over voters. That’s fucking weird af.

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475. "Yes"
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Someone who is capable of making an affirmative case for how Democrats can make their lives better will appeal anywhere.

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476. "hope so.. "
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641. "you called it"
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472. "lmao at Chelsea Handle roasting Vance"
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“You sad, diet, Mountain-Dew-drinking, couch-humping, dolphin-porn aficionado, all of us childless cat and dog ladies are gonna go from childless and crushing it to childless and crushing you in November,” said Handler. “And before you tell me he didn’t really fuck a couch, spare me. I grew up in New Jersey in the 80s where everyone had a couch in their basement, and I know a couch fucker when I see one.”

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477. "Elon Musk posting deep fake Kamala speech videos on X"
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https://youtu.be/IMeJfC8Mz5Q?si=5zHdJqX7eN34jhRs

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/27/us/politics/elon-musk-kamala-harris-deepfake.html?smid=url-share

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478. "remember when he just wanted “free speech”?"
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SMH. Sideyeing the hell out of anyone still on Twitter or buying/using his bullshit products.

  

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480. "I mean Kamala is still on twitter "
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and Trump isn't
Not sure it's the best measuring stick

>SMH. Sideyeing the hell out of anyone still on Twitter or
>buying/using his bullshit products.

  

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482. "at some point she should ditch it…."
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while drawing attention to how hard that weirdo is trying to influence the election.

  

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483. "Yep!"
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489. "that doesn't sound like a good idea"
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she's running for president and there over 100 million twitter users in the US give or take a few million bots

she leaves and what remains is only Elon's version of her

>while drawing attention to how hard that weirdo is trying to influence the election

  

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491. "Ok….after she wins, then kill his hoe ass Nazi platform "
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479. "he gets more facebook uncley by the day"
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484. "RE: Elon Musk posting deep fake Kamala speech videos on X"
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that kid starts off the video saying trump only won because of "Russian interference on a few social media platforms". Has that not been debunked? is this reaction video from 2017?

the video musk shared is obviously deepfake from a parody account and he's got the laughing emoji next to it insinuating its a joke. The way the Youtuber is going on about it you'd think Musk and Trump banged his mom.

the propaganda machine is out of control in this country. its both sides, we even got Australian news networks putting up crazy shit. Last week there was a twitter "protected user account" screenshot going around that doesn't even make sense if you're slightly educated on enterprise computer software.

it makes me wonder whats going to happen in like 8 years. will there be AI powered filters you can install(or will be installed for you whether you like it or not) that just spins information back at you the way you want it to be? Kinda like how if you search the right way you can convince yourself of anything you want on youtube. From flat earth to is drinking paint good for you?

I'm not trying to attack you or anything, please don't take this reply in that way I'm just spit balling.

  

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485. "Honestly, I don't know anything about the kid"
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I just linked it because I don't have X and access to the actual video and NY times is behind a paywall.

Yeah, smiley face and "parody" are synonymous.

I guess Elon Musk is going to be posting a lot of parodies

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486. "İt's crazy seeing the propaganda on both sides"
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This girl cracks me up...

https://youtube.com/shorts/BF09G8M5gG4?si=GBroL7ZUUrcGJgu7

https://youtube.com/shorts/glw4BTzq1JE?si=wXr2C0uIk2PjdYTi

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487. "these little shitheads haven’t left their bedrooms since ‘19"
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Don’t even have driver’s licenses.

Fuck they trying to tell everybody all about the world?

  

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493. "lmao.. facts"
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lil’ shit looks like she studied Toni Lorhen and Candice Owens on podcast delivery.

I hate the way that she talks - KDot

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576. "bingo"
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490. "shes a prager U person"
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I wonder who's watching these, is it just conservatives? is it even young people?

  

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492. "I don't know. She has 2 million subscribers "
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Maybe they are all bots...

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537. "RE: I don't know. She has 2 million subscribers "
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since you RUINED my algo now, here you go!

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5Ukh0q_qq78

i lol'd though

  

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580. "lulz"
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why are they always deflecting and worried about who you fucking?

white woman in the comments complaining about her black ex husband and father of her children always complaining about racism. that's why she left him. wouldn't be surprised if that was her mother. LOL!

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581. "Is it the braids?"
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494. "he shut down the White Dudes For Harris account"
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and apparently is blocking users from following Kamala. what a chump.

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497. "Wow!"
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500. "the White dudes account is back"
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still, what a loser Elon is.

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503. "Update"
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https://x.com/mikenellis/status/1818254404102893603?s=46

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513. "those white dudes/white women for harris things are cringey as fuck"
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like celebrities singing 'imagine' type shit
i was hoping this stuff would go away on its own
elons giving it extended life by censoring it

  

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531. "They're serving their purpose, which is to raise money"
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They can call themselves the Getalong Gang or the Sunbeam Warriors for all I care, as long as they keep getting the campaign donations.

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535. "Money is Money"
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To quote the great Clay Davis

"I’ll take any motherfuckers money if he just giving it away”

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536. "ehh I don't get that hyped over money. everyone outspends Trump "
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539. "Indeed. And he lost last time. Quite handily"
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In fact, he only won in 2016. During every other election, his presence has been a hinderance e to the GOP. Which suggests that the Dems raising more money tends to help them.

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481. "Arizona Republican mayor supports Harris"
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https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/2024/07/29/mesa-mayor-republican-vote-kamala-harris/74583703007/

Why, as a Republican mayor, I support Kamala Harris over Trump

Arizona Republicans like me can emulate Sen. John McCain's motto of 'Country First' and beat back Trump and his threat to democracy.

John Giles opinion contributor

The time has come for my fellow Arizona Republicans to return to the core foundations of the Grand Old Party.

Our party used to stand for the belief that every Arizonan, no matter their background or circumstances, should have the freedom, opportunity and security to live out their American Dream.

But since Donald Trump refused to accept the outcome of the 2020 election, Republicans have yet to course correct. The Republican Party with Trump at its helm continues down the path of political extremism, away from focusing on our fundamental freedoms.

Now more than ever, we need leaders who will put country over party.

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488. "Roy Cooper removed himself from VP consideration"
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reason being if he accepted the Lieutenant Governor, GOP batshit crazy coon ass Mark Robinson and the GOP state gov would go ham passing bills in Coopers absence.



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495. "so who's left?"
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shapiro
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whitmer

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498. "RE: so who's left?"
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Replace Whitmer with Buttigieg.

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501. "i'd say that's a real long shot"
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and i like Pete a lot.

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505. "i think they're saying that cuz Whitmer already said she's out?"
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Pete's a longshot but he's not a NO shot.

  

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499. "What about Beshear?"
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502. "could be"
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i keep going back and forth, my best guess right now is Shapiro. i'm not expert but they all seem like good picks to me. i don't really care as long as we win.

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509. "Really hoping they go with Buttigieg."
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I know he's not one of the most frequently-floated names on the list, and people are afraid homophobia will prevent some folks from voting, but I think it might be a mistake to go with the safe(r), nondescript white-dude running mate strategy from 2016. Buttigieg has emerged as a star in the Democratic party, and they don't have too many of those. I feel like most of the names on the list were unknown until Biden dropped out. A Harris/Buttigieg ticket feels more future-leaning than any ticket we've had in a while, and I think that's what people are looking for.


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512. "The problem with 2016/Kaine was that he was boring af."
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Walz is another white guy, you're right, but he's got some personality to him.

Obviously Pete does too, and he's insanely well spoken, but I think some people are right to want to leave him to a more important job and just let him crush maga nazis in interviews.

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529. "I agree that Buttigieg is the future, but I think he needs to hold..."
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...a significant elected office (besides Mayor) if he's ever going to be on a ticket. It would even help if he was just in the house of reps.

He wasn't particularly interesting as a president candidate in 2020, besides being young and smart, but I think there's definite room for improvment moving forward. Right now he seems best at dismantling dummies on Fox News, but I'm not sure if he's "ready" to be VP.

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533. "he's never won a tough or real election or passed any laws"
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I don't think Pete brings any voters that aren't already there.

Maybe there's a larger cabinet spot for him or he can move somewhere and win an election.

But I don't think you give the VP spot to a guy doing an Obama impression who did **okay** in the last primary (until he didn't)

  

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496. "Megan Thee Stallion to Join VP Harris for ATL Rally"
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https://www.instagram.com/p/C-BrQldxWqz/?igsh=MWZkcHUyZHNpaXVhNw==

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504. "I love Buttigieg. But folks, it's crazy talk to think he should be Veep..."
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You Coastal Elites need to chill with that talk.

He's doing great just where he is, and would make even a great Secretary of State or something else worthy of his communication skills.

I think even Shapiro would be a stretch for Middle America (and also a major damper for the youthful vote but yeah).

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506. "Amanda Seales is still annoying "
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https://x.com/mistergeezy/status/1817695824719278585?s=46

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507. "so on brand for her"
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she loves using folks names to attempt to elevate herself

Amanda’s delivery is exactly what Kamala was talking about. You cant say it any old way or you will get treated like Amanda.

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510. "She was "summoned" by Kamala Harris?"
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Did this happen in the few weeks between when Biden dropped out and this video was posted?


Plenty of people shit talk Harris/the President Why was she specifically chosen and brought in?

Is there a huge group of voters looking to Amanda Seale on how they should vote?

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519. "some commenters were saying this meeting never happened"
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but yeah i wonder what the timing was. if true, i guess they were reaching out to progressive/left voices to see where they could find common ground?

side topic: did she really diagnose herself with autism or is that not accurate?

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508. "Trump doubles down on christians no longer needing to vote"
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Ingram tried her best to get him to clarify his statement. Dude rambled and doubled down hard.

“christians love me, but they dont vote, you know who else doesnt vote? GUN OWNERS!!”

https://newrepublic.com/post/184370/trump-escalates-ominous-election-threat-fox-news-interview

When he finally came back to the question at hand, he said “Christians are not known as a big voting group. They don’t vote, and I’m explaining that to ’em. You never vote. This time, vote. I’ll straighten out the country; you won’t have to vote anymore. I won’t need your vote.”

Ingraham interjected to try to help the convicted felon and Republican presidential nominee, saying, “You meant you don’t have to vote for you, because you’ll have four years in office.”

Trump still didn’t answer the question, talking about how gun owners don’t vote. When Ingraham pressed the matter again, Trump again came back to how Christians don’t vote and that they ought to this time, and then once again repeated his promise that people won’t have to vote in the future if he’s elected.


“Don’t worry about the future. You have to vote on November 5. After that, you don’t have to worry about voting anymore, I don’t care, because the country will be fixed, and we won’t even need your vote anymore because frankly, we will have such love if you don’t want to vote anymore, that’s OK,” Trump said in one of his trademark run-on sentences.


It doesn’t make sense as to why Trump keeps repeating this statement. Is he hinting at some sort of authoritarian takeover where voting doesn’t matter? And why is he claiming that Christians don’t vote when devout, fundamentalist Christians have been involved in politics for most of America’s history?

Also, last week Trump told his followers, “We don’t need the votes, I have so many votes,” sending a weird message just before the election. While Democrats won’t mind, this might be another sign of Trump’s continued cognitive decline.

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511. "SMH! choose your own adventure 2024"
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514. "Musk shuts down Whitedudes4Harris on X after it raised $4million "
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fuck that dude, fuck his cars and fuck his rockets

that nigga is evil as fuck.

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515. "Did he give a reason ? Or is it just literal nazism ?"
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516. "not really.. the reason made no sense "
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https://variety.com/2024/digital/news/elon-musk-suspends-white-dudes-for-harris-twitter-x-1236089959/


X notified the group its account was suspended for “Violating our rules against evading suspension.”

the fuck?

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522. "lol soooo what was the reason for the first suspension they evaded ?"
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What a fucking nazi goof.

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534. "Arrested for resisting arrest."
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542. "lol"
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517. "I assume he'd say something like"
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(if he hasn't already) if he allows this, he'd have to allow 'white people for trump' affinity groups, and how would people feel about that

I'm not saying it's his actual reason but it's the reason he'd give

  

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521. "Blacks for Trump. GOP voters act like its not a thing tho"
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518. "he's a big loser that's his reason"
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such a clown.

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525. "he paid 45 billion and took it private"
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so he could do what ever he wanted to do with it...

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520. "calling them weird really seems to be triggering for them btw"
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523. "i'm kinda scared Trump is gonna bail on Vance."
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he's gold for Harris' campaign.

they just turned up footage of Vance saying poeple without children are sociopathic, psychotic and duranged.

like, everyday something new drops.

  

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527. "yeah i hope he stays on"
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he's even too right for Fox News, which would be funny if it wasn't so crazy.

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524. "It's incredible how off balance this has made them."
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Even more incredible that it took this long for dems to come up with it. It seems to obvious now but this could've been useful for like 8 years.

Ted Cruz is the weirdest man alive, possibly. Why haven't we been telling him this daily for a decade. Etc.

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532. "it really is"
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Didn't it start with our man Walz?

I've been full on Walz pilled at this point. I just want this future Santa Clause looking motherfucker travelling the midwest making the case for progressive policies and calling these motherfuckers weirdos. I'm here for it.

Shaprio will hurt turnout with youth and teachers.

Kelly will hurt the labor turnout. Plus, keep his ass in the senate.

I still think KY dude could be an interesting play, but he isn't hitting like Walz.

  

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543. "Agree with every word."
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>Didn't it start with our man Walz?

I believe so. It all happened so fast, and I had started to assum that he was just fed some "this that new shit" talking points by the Harris people. But it seems like Walz has been calling the weirdos weird since like February.


>I've been full on Walz pilled at this point. I just want this
>future Santa Clause looking motherfucker travelling the
>midwest making the case for progressive policies and calling
>these motherfuckers weirdos. I'm here for it.

lolol exact same experience here. A month ago it would've been a toss up as to whether or not I could even identify where dude is from.


>Shaprio will hurt turnout with youth and teachers.

Yep - I want nothing to do with him cuz of his positions on Palestine/the Palestine protests. I fear that Harris announcing her VP in Philly means he's the pick, but they told Politico not to overthink the geographic location. So we'll see.


>Kelly will hurt the labor turnout. Plus, keep his ass in the
>senate.
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>I still think KY dude could be an interesting play, but he
>isn't hitting like Walz.

Exactly. Beshear seems to be great on many things, but keep him in Kentucky where they could desperately use someone with a brain running things. And you nailed it, he's trying, bless his soul, but he just doesn't have the same impact as Walz, even when they're trying to say the same things. He was a little clunky when he was talking about how Vance "isn't from here" or whatever.

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526. "the left is more embracing of weird"
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if you call a lefty weird, it's not really gonna sting, it's like lol ok

but if you call one of these trad bros weird they get in their feelings, cause their whole identity is we're the normal ones. Alot of these dudes are just incels who made it out, so if you call them weird it's like you looked through them

  

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528. "yeah, like when they get called a snowflake"
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those mfers melt. They totally lose their shit.

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530. "I really didn't think this "weird" thing would work"
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Mostly because I usually associate "weird" with interesting, and most right-wingers aren't interesting at all. They're fucking dull and boring. But it appears that this is nailing them to the wall for whatever reason, so carry on!

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538. "They need to run with this"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP5Gx18D4-c&ab_channel=Won%27tPACDown


best way to respond to these clowns and make them look undesirable

this is way more effective

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540. "yooooo"
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544. "lol at how dirty and skeevy these guys look"
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545. "Like Trump n Vance “and the rest”"
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547. "exactly what these voters look like behind these computers"
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or what their souls look like.

fucking weirdos

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551. "i was having a convo with one of my coworkers yesterday about"
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another coworker who is a card carrying maga member. basically i asked him why as a black person would u want to align yourself with a group of ppl who mostly resemble the guys in the youtube video posted above (i hadnt seen the vid yet i just described them as redneck and hillbilly weirdos)?

like...what would make you say to yourself...THESE guys (the ones with the stained shirts and stained teeth) have it all figd out?? he said if i figure it out ill let you know smh

  

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556. "wtf"
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>he said if i figure it out ill let you know smh

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572. "he was just being sarcastic...he wont figure it out lol."
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586. "Hahaha."
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Sarcasm or not, how you gonna support an openly fascist party, but have nothing to say when asked *why* you support them ?

What a wild way to move thru the world.

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559. "some folk just like going against the grain"
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shit is weird.

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546. "Dayum."
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541. "Trumps plan not to certify votes so votes "
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Votes doesn’t matter not him overall

https://newrepublic.com/post/184340/trump-election-deniers-power-swing-states

New Report Details Terrifying Threat of Trump’s Election Deniers
Election deniers hold crucial roles in elections in multiple swing states.
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At least 70 pro–Donald Trump election denialists are working as election officials in key swing states, according to a report published Monday from Rolling Stone and the right-wing extremism research newsletter American Doom.

Officials who had promoted election conspiracy theories were identified in at least 16 counties in six swing states: Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania. These individuals were identified through scouring coverage of refusals to certify 2020 election results and other denialist behavior, as well as sifting through the social media profiles of election officials in these states.


Across these swing states, Trump loyalists stand ready to disrupt the results of democratically held elections—at least 22 of them have already refused or delayed certification in recent years, indicating likely chaos in November.

Republicans have even begun fighting for the right to refuse to certify elections based on absolutely nothing.

In May, Fulton County election board official Julie Adams launched a lawsuit against the county, hoping to access voting records that she claims she was barred from seeing by Fulton County’s election director, and seeking a court ruling on whether her duty to certify election results is “discretionary, not ministerial, in nature,” according to the suit. Fulton County is a Democratic stronghold.


Adams, a staunch election denier, is backed by the America First Policy Institute, or AFPI, a Trump-supporting think tank. Adams is hoping to upend years of precedent and Georgia state law, according to Protect Democracy, a democratic nonprofit that contends that certifying election results “is a mandatory, ministerial duty, meaning that officials have no discretion to refuse to certify election results.”
refused to certify the results of a run-off election later in June.

Adams isn’t alone in her state. David Hancock, an election official in Gwinnett County outside of Atlanta, is “working to change” the guidelines around election certification, according to a post on his Facebook page. In March, he refused to certify the results of his county’s presidential primary election, although he has yet to give a real answer as to why.


Georgia has had the highest number of certification refusals since 2020 of anywhere in the country. Its five-person state election board—which American Doom found contained two election-denying conspiracy theorists—has set to work formulating a new rule that would allow election officials to refuse to certify results if a “reasonable inquiry” can be made into claims of election fraud. The Trump-friendly board has been accused of ethics violations after not giving proper notice to its Democratic members about a meeting that it used to advance election rule changes.

All of this is particularly problematic because Republicans believe that refusing to certify the results of an election in and of itself can be used as evidence of election fraud. In a never-issued executive order from December 2020, Trump cited officials in Coffee County, Georgia, refusing to certify the results of the 2020 election as proof that voter fraud had likely occurred, and reason enough to seize voting machines.

Should the refusal to certify results become discretionary, Republicans will have a pile of so-called evidence to point to in November. It’s entirely likely that Republicans will use their own widespread claims of voter fraud, and refusal to certify, to not only stall but ultimately refute election results.

  

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598. "Ziklag: Secretive Christian Nationalist Network to Purge Voters in Battl..."
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https://youtu.be/hIh6X_sXAr4?si=sg1FZSE9L27EtFqy

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump made headlines this week after suggesting the 2024 election could be the last U.S. election if he wins in November. We look at a secret organization of wealthy Christians called Ziklag that is backing Trump’s efforts by working to purge more than a million voters from the rolls in battleground states and mobilize Republican voters to back Trump. The news outlets ProPublica and Documented obtained thousands of Ziklag’s internal files and found the group has divided its 2024 activities into three different operations: Steeplechase, which uses churches to get out the vote; Watchtower, which aims to rally voters around opposition to transgender rights; and Checkmate, which is focused on funding so-called election integrity groups, explains ProPublica investigative reporter Andy Kroll.

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548. "National Association of Black Journalists looks like clowns."
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OF COURSE Trump would use his invitation to their convention to attack Kamala because she can't attend in person...cuz she's going to Sheila Lee Jackson's FUNERAL ffs.

Why would you hand him a talking point? They look like idiots. One of the truly dumb moves of recent history.

  

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549. "Nah"
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550. "Disagree."
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But to your point, if they don't fry his ass up on questioning, they're gonna look worse. It's LITERALLY the only thing to be gained from inviting him. He's not some out of the woodwork candidate who people need to get to know, so if you're not gonna just call him out on his bullshit then you have no reason to give him the platform.

also, CLOWNS:

https://x.com/AprilDRyan/status/1818617610797212155

  

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554. "No"
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It's the job of journalist to ask questions.

The funeral did not stop the VP from going if the NABJ was talking to her for a month about this invite.

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555. "yeah..."
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she was already booked BEFORE the funeral...when they asked a month ago.

  

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557. "No"
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How did she offer a virtual town hall if she was already booked ?

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558. "Steve Harvey found out the hard way"
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All Trump is going to do is say Blacks love me because I went to an event

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560. "fam, this is a total shit show. NABJ looks worse than i could..."
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have imagined.

he started by insulting journalists, said they have shitty equipment, etc.

that's not even getting into the stupid shit he's saying about immigration, "black jobs", etc.

wow.

  

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562. "Same thing he does everytime"
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Media can't run from him

See no evil, hear no evil because it's Trump ?

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563. "it's not about pretending he doesn't exist."
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not sure why you keep bringing that up.

it's about not platforming his bullshit.

they just gave him a huge platform to say "Dems kill babies after they're born" re: abortion.

and that's just one of the already 50+ stupid things, lies and insults (not just to Kamala, etc but to the people there) he's already said.

WHY??? there is nothing productive to come from this.

all of the NABJ leadership should resign later today.

  

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565. "That's what you're suggesting"
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Don't talk to him, don't bring him on.

The NABJ invites the candidates, it's a regular thing

Bush, Clinton, Obama, Biden

So they stop now because Trump is a clown ?

Run scared from Trump ?

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567. "yes.. ignore his ass because you already know what he will do"
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568. "They will be the only ones"
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I'm not sure if they can invite the VP if they don't invite him but I could be wrong.

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569. "so solely because he's the candidate they should blindly..."
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carry on tradition? smh.

i'll say this one last time: it's not about running scared from him, or ignoring him.

  

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574. " blindly.. No"
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That's where the "journalist" and "questions" part comes in from the name

National Association of Black Journalists. The ones you called "cowards"


So they should not pretend he does not exist, and they should not ignore him or give him a platform but it's not about running scared ?

What ?

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575. "i never called anyone a coward. let's get that straight."
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NABJ don't HAVE to do shit. that includes inviting him JUST cuz he's running for the office.

had they NOT invited him doesn't mean they are ignoring him and pretending he doesn't exist. it means they aren't contributing to the bullshit. instead, they did, and guess what? bullshit ensued.

  

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577. "I was wrong. You said it would make the NABJ look like clowns"
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Maybe it's just a broadcast station rule when they have to invite all candidates. It still would look bad if journalist are scared to ask Trump questions.

Contributing to the bullshit is FOX News, this was not that even with the one Fox friend of Trump there.

If the VP is any good they got plenty for an ad to use against him.

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561. "He's going to say that anyway"
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552. "It's disappointing that news orgs continue to let him play them"
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NABJ is far from the first, and they likely won't be the last, but you'd think that since they've seen this movie so many times, they'd know the plot and how it ends.

And the big talking point that Ken Lemon and other have been using to justify the invitation (they'll be able to "vet" him, ask tough questions, etc.) has turned to be mostly BS. The audience can't questions, there's no fact-checking in real time (just a hashtag), and one of the panelists (Harris Faulkner) has been carrying Trump's water for years.

I certainly hope the other two panelists ask tough questions and don't let him just lie with challenging them. But for Trump this achieves the same end as meeting with Ice Cube in 2020. He'll tell middle of the road whites, "See? I'm not racist. I was there and Kamala Harris wasn't!" and have them lap it up.

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553. "that last part...he already is spinning it. "
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i HOPE Kamala addresses it SOMEWHERE, at least by saying "yeah, i tried to go but couldn't be there because i was at a fucking funeral" (minus the expletives or whatever).

the NABJ is important, and why they'd damage their standing within their own ranks (the list of black journalists who i've seen criticize this or straight up turn on them is endless at this point)? i'll never understand.

that whole "vetting" shit is the clown part. VET WHAT!?!? you know who Donald Trump is, what he stands for, his policies, etc.

  

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564. "not going great for him"
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https://x.com/mmpadellan/status/1818714873712296109?t=F8sn3bNyFBGohs-pevtztw&s=19

(I hate thees DESTROYS things no matter the take but it's the longest link I saw)

That said, what a dickhead

  

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566. "and that's the thing that kinda sucks."
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people will go "well, he looked like an idiot...he looked BAD."

true.

still not the point.

  

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573. "I think the sunlight is good"
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sure people all know who Trump is but there's alot of Trump shit that gets twisted into more than it is, and I don't think its necessary. People don't trust media and institutions partly for this reason

I think something like this where it's unfiltered and people can see (or even be reminded) what a vile, petty human this guy is is ultimately a good thing

People don't need to to put more on trump,. Hand him the rope and let him do his thing

  

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584. "RE: I think the sunlight is good"
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>sure people all know who Trump is but there's alot of Trump
>shit that gets twisted into more than it is, and I don't think
>its necessary. People don't trust media and institutions
>partly for this reason
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>I think something like this where it's unfiltered and people
>can see (or even be reminded) what a vile, petty human this
>guy is is ultimately a good thing
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>People don't need to to put more on trump,. Hand him the rope
>and let him do his thing


Agreed but promo is right although I just like seeing Trump hang himself more and more though ngl.

  

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585. "his fans are saying he stood up to the media"
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while Kamala was too scared to show up

hopefully independents see things differently.

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587. "i'm not sure i'd worry about that too much."
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yes, his cult sees it that way, duh.

but they were roasting his ass on FOX News too, and if that's the case? he looks bad.

now, no one will follow up on the point re: Kamala, as i understand it they are still working to have her speak whether in person or virtually. that could have changed since i last saw, i dunno.

  

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589. "If independents see it the same"
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Are they independents ?

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590. "if independents vote for Harris "
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are they independents?

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591. "Depends on the reson they vote for Harris"
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If something like the weak Trump talking point

no they not.

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594. "theyre his fans "
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Not talking about them, or even people pretending to be undecided.

more about people who are checked out, or think maybe he's not as bad as advertised. People have short memories. At this point the target is gettng apathetic voters out there

Not saying this event is moving any needles either way, but not sure why people think it was a big mistake. He looked whiney and ignorant to anyone remotely objective

  

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595. "lol I had this exact same argument earlier."
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On a text with two friends discussing what happened yesterday, one of them said "both sides seem happy with this" and I was like .. one side doesn't fucking matter. He could've walked on stage, shot himself in the leg, vomited everywhere, and walked out without saying a word and one "side" would've been masturbating furiously. They're not even worth discussing.

Like you said, it's about energizing dems to go vote in November (turnout is one of the main, if not THE main, reason dems win or lose elections every cycle), as well as convincing the dumb undecideds that blue is the way to go. That's all that's worth discussing.

Anyone who was planning to vote Trump will continue to do so. It's like, oh, you mean the racists are defending their racist candidate's racist tirade ?! Ya don't say ! Why waste any energy talking about those dorks ?! The relevant takeaway from yesterday (and the past few weeks) is that new energy has been injected into the Dems' campaign(s), and that much needed votes that will hopefully come as a result of that energy boost.


>Not talking about them, or even people pretending to be
>undecided.
>
>more about people who are checked out, or think maybe he's not
>as bad as advertised. People have short memories. At this
>point the target is gettng apathetic voters out there
>
>Not saying this event is moving any needles either way, but
>not sure why people think it was a big mistake. He looked
>whiney and ignorant to anyone remotely objective

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596. "I think having an actual opponent has him flailing "
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going against current biden was such a gift to him, he just could kind of sit back and watch Joe do old people things and he could just chill and make faces and jokes

this switcharoo has triggered him

I don't think they have their strategy in order for her... first they called it a coup, which is stupid because you'd think if it was a coup, the 'overthrown' faction would seem even a little upset. Now it's is she black or indian... I'm not sure how this is helping

I gotta admit I didn't see putting Kamala in as something that would create any actual energy. Not saying she'll win but at least I feel like she def can win (esp with trump reminding people how he gets ) which is something you didn't have with Joe

  

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597. "Yea they're imploding for sure."
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>going against current biden was such a gift to him, he just
>could kind of sit back and watch Joe do old people things and
>he could just chill and make faces and jokes
>
>this switcharoo has triggered him

It triggered him and it totally flipped the "fit to lead" script on the entire nazi party. None of them know what to do or say, and magaman himself is now forced to put his racism on display for the world. It's beautiful to watch.

I've long had a theory that orange hitler didn't throw his hat in the ring in 2012 because (1) he knew he'd get bodied by a Black man and wouldn't be able to handle it, and (2) more to the point, he/his people probably thought, let's not let this man debate a person of color on national and international TV lest the N word start flying.


>I don't think they have their strategy in order for her...
>first they called it a coup, which is stupid because you'd
>think if it was a coup, the 'overthrown' faction would seem
>even a little upset. Now it's is she black or indian... I'm
>not sure how this is helping
>
>I gotta admit I didn't see putting Kamala in as something that
>would create any actual energy. Not saying she'll win but at
>least I feel like she def can win (esp with trump reminding
>people how he gets ) which is something you didn't have with
>Joe

Yep totally. It's a jolt Dems (and regular thinking people/non pieces of shit) desperately needed. I'm now actually motivated to do canvassing and phonebanking and volunteering, whereas before I was planning to do it only as a matter of feeling obligated.

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570. "Well, that was a disaster"
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Trump insults Rachel Scott off the rip, brings back birtherism, says blatantly racist shit on stage, refuses to answer any question directly, and throws temper tantrums at any attempts to fact-check. Meanwhile, Harris Faulkner repeatedly throws him softball questions and treat like "he's an unprepared elementary school student in front of a class assembly" instead of someone who's actually served as president. And then his team ends the whole thing 25 minutes early.

Nothing new or interesting or vital was revealed. He was the same person he's been for at least the past 14 years. And the NABJ platformed all of it.

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571. "also, you see they got him the fuck outta there @ Project 2025?"
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as soon as they asked about it? ooops, look at that, Trump is outta time and has to go.

  

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578. "that was"
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one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

"she became... a blaaack person, she happened to turn blaaack" *hand accordion*

  

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579. "he was lying like usual"
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I wish someone would punch him in the face on camera in the middle of his antics, just one time.

  

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582. "Howard Dean is somewhere punching air. "
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I can’t believe that interview happened.

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583. "So is Al Franken"
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>I can’t believe that interview happened.

  

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588. "Joe & Kamala got Whelan and Gershkovich outta prison. W."
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now, the average voter still cares more about their grocery bill, but this is a good look nonetheless.

  

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592. "Yeah, I feel like this is a W. If they cut interest rates in September "
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That will be a big W that should help Harris.

  

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593. "and, from what's being reported, Kamala had a BIG hand in..."
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pulling this off.

also, seeing ol' Joe mic drop on Trump at the end of the press conference today gave me a good laugh.

  

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599. "team trump has lost their great champion Kyle rittenhouse"
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made a video saying he will writing in Ron paul (i thought he was dead but apparently not) because Trump isn't good enough on gun rights.

they don't seem to be taking it well

  

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605. "UPDATE: Rittenhouse STFU and fell in line"
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This little homicidal dork thought he had free will and that cancel culture was just a lefty thing

12 hours later
https://x.com/ThisIsKyleR/status/1819459882510069816?t=SexKlumQ-BotQ6Pvn3SlXQ&s=19

>made a video saying he will writing in Ron paul (i thought he
>was dead but apparently not) because Trump isn't good enough
>on gun rights.
>
>they don't seem to be taking it well

  

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606. "prolly froze his accounts"
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600. "Judge Mathis> Judge Judy>Judge Wapner > Judge Joe Brown"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I978Gr5qzA&ab_channel=TheArtOfDialogue

A year ago he was shit talking Harriet Tubman and now he's bigging up Trump

R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
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601. "Judge Reinhold >>>>"
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602. "Not Judge Judy"
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https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/4733211-judy-judy-trump-new-york-hush-money-alvin-bragg-convicted-felon/

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603. "Joe Brown look fresh out of shawshank with that denim combo"
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https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/141121094827-01-shawshank-redemption.jpg?q=w_1800,h_1013,x_0,y_0,c_fill

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604. "Judge Dredd, Judge Dread, & Judge Pigmeat Markham>>>>>>>>"
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607. "Elon Musk PAC using voter data to help Trump"
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https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/02/elon-musk-pac-voter-data-trump-harris.html

The website says it will help the viewer register to vote. But once a user clicks “Register to Vote,” the experience he or she will have can be very different, depending on where they live.

If a user lives in a state that is not considered competitive in the presidential election, like California or Wyoming for example, they’ll be prompted to enter their email addresses and ZIP code and then directed quickly to a voter registration page for their state, or back to the original sign-up section.

But for users who enter a ZIP code that indicates they live in a battleground state, like Pennsylvania or Georgia, the process is very different.

Rather than be directed to their state’s voter registration page, they instead are directed to a highly detailed personal information form, prompted to enter their address, cellphone number and age.

If they agree to submit all that, the system still does not steer them to a voter registration page. Instead, it shows them a “thank you” page.

So that person who wanted help registering to vote? In the end, they got no help at all registering. But they did hand over priceless personal data to a political operation.

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608. "THIS shit is fucked up and needs to be investigated."
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because, it's two fold.

they can trick people into thinking they're registered when they aren't, AND, even worse, they can use those Trump sympathizers who've gotten onto election boards to specifically identify voters whose ballots they can try to challenge OR even worse, intentionally lose them in the count.

  

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609. "Seems illegal"
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>https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/02/elon-musk-pac-voter-data-trump-harris.html
>
>The website says it will help the viewer register to vote. But
>once a user clicks “Register to Vote,” the experience he
>or she will have can be very different, depending on where
>they live.
>
>If a user lives in a state that is not considered competitive
>in the presidential election, like California or Wyoming for
>example, they’ll be prompted to enter their email addresses
>and ZIP code and then directed quickly to a voter registration
>page for their state, or back to the original sign-up
>section.
>
>But for users who enter a ZIP code that indicates they live in
>a battleground state, like Pennsylvania or Georgia, the
>process is very different.
>
>Rather than be directed to their state’s voter registration
>page, they instead are directed to a highly detailed personal
>information form, prompted to enter their address, cellphone
>number and age.
>
>If they agree to submit all that, the system still does not
>steer them to a voter registration page. Instead, it shows
>them a “thank you” page.
>
>So that person who wanted help registering to vote? In the
>end, they got no help at all registering. But they did hand
>over priceless personal data to a political operation.

  

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610. ""Weird? Hold My beer" -RFK"
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https://x.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1820132549798347109?t=f3t1aGLevJM7OrCjpWzN0g&s=19

  

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611. "So many questions "
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612. "fuckin psychopath."
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And once more, more evidence that he's only in the race as a spoiler with the known Trump supporter Roseanne.

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613. "who the fuck is wasting their vote on this nutjob? "
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seriously, dude is clearly letting everyone know he is bullshitting.

This some Kanye shit

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622. "I watched until he started talking about skinning a road kill bear"
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Again, I cannot believe these are real people.

  

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614. "Yall got Stong feelings about VP choice?"
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I like Josh Harris.

I think Dems who lose have a track record of picking safe bets as opposed to people with their own star power and wattage and know how to give a speech. Quick who was the VP choice of Hillary Clinton?

That being said, if he doesn't get the pick I'll be fine.

What do you think?


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615. "Uhh Tim Kaine. I don't think that inquiry proved your point at all lol"
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>I like Josh Harris.
>
>I think Dems who lose have a track record of picking safe bets
>as opposed to people with their own star power and wattage and
>know how to give a speech. Quick who was the VP choice of
>Hillary Clinton?

The man was boring af no question but I don't think anyone who even pays peripheral attention to US politics has forgotten that.

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617. "yeah alot of VP picks are there to shore of the candidate's weak spot"
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(politically)
Biden felt he needed a WoC, Obama needed an older white guy with experience, Trump needed an establishment evangelical in Pence, With Palin, McCain felt he needed someone to appease conservatives who thought he was too much of a fence sitter.

I don't really know the cost of not doing this overall. Romney's pick prob didn't matter. I don't think Ryan helped or hurt, or it would have helped if he picked someone else.

Yeah Kaine might have been the most bland white man in history. I doubt anyone had a strong opinion on him either way other than.. boring. I think his big draw was supposed to be that he spoke Spanish, and the fact that they thought it would be a draw for the Latino vote or an effective counter to Trumps anti mexican rants kinda shows how dumb dems can be. It just came off patronizing

Vance has DeSantisitis. Like he looks impressive on paper but the only thing that stands out is he's an awkward dick. These people all try to copy Trump but they only get the asshole part. Trumps a showman. If he was *just* a dick we wouldn't be in this mess

  

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633. "horrible VP pick, but on-brand for establishment dem machine. "
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No creativity lol.

Hoping Harris doesn't make the mistake and just go for the status quo white guy from a swing state just because it *seems* like a pragmatic, smart move.

There's absolutely such a thing as playing it too safe.

Some think Harris already has the youth/progressive vote on lock. That is a bit overly optimistic. Yes: she has some new energy behind her, but legions of young voters still aren't sure about her policies (partially because she's been vague and noncommittal on what her actual policies are) - and picking the safe, status-quo running mate would only increase apathy from a segment of the electorate she absolutely must win (in droves) if she's to defeat Trump.

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645. "Agreed with all of this."
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I think it's more important to show and prove in order to continue galvanizing the lefty vote, as opposed to placating the mysterious "middle" that never seems to do what anyone thinks they'll do.

I think it's important for Harris so that she can establish that she's not just a new generation of the same old dem mistakes, and also for down ballot dems, as it will show the electorate that establishment Dems are actually listening to their constituencies and hearing them.

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616. "my only STRONG feeling is i hope it's NOT Shapiro."
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620. "I think they floated him this weekend to get a reaction"
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on some “oops, wasnt suppose to go out til Monday” steez

kids Michigan goodbye if they pick Shapiro.

Is the country ready for a Jewish VP?

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623. "well not just that but like..."
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some sexual assault stories and racist stories just popped out.

i didn't do my googles (though the pro-israel critques are enough for me) but you don't even want that scent in the air when you go to sniff a potential candidate.

  

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626. "Not the least of which is because it minimizes the impact ..."
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>some sexual assault stories and racist stories just popped
>out.
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>i didn't do my googles (though the pro-israel critques are
>enough for me) but you don't even want that scent in the air
>when you go to sniff a potential candidate.

... of any critiques dems will try to use against trump for the same shit.

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627. "exactly."
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631. "plus he's had the gig for only a minute"
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All kinds of red flags. Plus, this idea that the VP delivers his or her home state when in its in play is some outdated bullshit that sounds like the DNC cooked up to justify picking him.


They/she would be nuts to not go with Walz or Beshear.


  

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618. "Tim Kaine.. total snoozer. "
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is Josh Harris even on the list?

wait, you mean Shapiro and Harris? Confused cause I though Josh Harris was a whole name.

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619. "Not really. I guess if it's she wants to share up a state..."
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...or a voting base. Shapiro probably helps her get PA, which is VERY important. West likely gives her AZ, because gives a running mate that's "tough" on immigration. Walz helps her out with labor and the younger more left-leaning voting block.

Not saying all are perfect, but I'm fine with any and all of them.

I will say, if her choice of one of those candidates prevents you from voting for Harris, you're a fucking dipshit. And not a serious person. At all. You were posturing all along and probably not going to vote for her or any other Democratic candidate in the first place.

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624. "hope it's not Beshear, local mutterings say he's cleared his immed. sche..."
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Don't want it to be him for no other reason then he's one of the few bright spots politically in a super-majority red state filled with right wing nut jobs. (plus just heard the only Jewish (Dem) rep in the state is being investigated for sexual harassment and tbh I believe it because after meeting him he kind of came off as a slimeball)

Just as important, even if he is picked, KY unfortunately still won't go for Harris imo.

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629. "RE: Yall got Stong feelings about VP choice?"
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I'd like it to be Buttigieg, but I think they'll go with Shapiro or Walz.


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632. "Hope it's Walz. Shapiro would be a bad pick"
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621. "Predict the right’s next culture wars target"
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I predict they take issue with NFL Guardian caps. Trump will get the cult to become pro concussion.

  

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625. "did anyone wear them in the HOF game? "
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I don’t remember seeing any but I was half watching before turning it off

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628. "Not sure, I didn’t catch any of it"
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I feel like it would be on brand and not even a reach for those asshats to call these helmets “woke” and pine for the days of one bar face masks, or something.

Thats the level of backwards absurdity they’ve taken it to on every issue.

  

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630. "dog parks..."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KocA-K0EsA

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634. "Ol’ Don Beebe wearing helmet"
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651. "Lol, wow. I could picture it in my head right when I read that."
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What was up with his helmet?

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675. "I believe it was to help with concussions, him and Wallace were"
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Ahead of the times.

  

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657. "Ha! Steve Wallace of the Niners had one of those too"
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674. "Yep, I remember that as well. Wallace was one of my favorite OL"
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From his era. Dude was a beast and so athletic.

While he did have one, it didn’t look as ridiculous on Wallace as it did on Beebe.

  

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637. "if they put those brainiac helmets in games I may have to join them"
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638. "they look ridiculous. There has to be a way to have the same protection"
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without looking like Spaceballs.

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677. "Whoever had tampons in the betting pool wins!"
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Yep, #TamponTim. That's going to go over well!

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635. "Trump says Google ‘has to be careful’ or it will be ‘shut down’"
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https://www.theverge.com/2024/8/5/24212296/trump-vance-google-shut-down-first-amendment

Trump: So Mark Zuckerberg called me, first of all he called me a few times. He called me after the event, and he said that was really amazing, very brave. You know, and he actually announced he’s not going to support a Democrat because he can’t, because he respected me for what I did that day. I think what I did maybe was, to me it was a normal response. But I was called by Mark Zuckerberg yesterday, the day before or this same subject... and he actually apologized. He said they made a mistake, etc. etc., correcting the mistake.

Google, nobody called from Google.

(some random stuff)

Google has been very bad, they’ve been very irresponsible. I have a feeling Google is going to be close to shut down, because I don’t think Congress is going to take it, I really don’t think so. Google has to be careful.

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636. "Vance’s wife fumbled trying to clean up his cat lady bullshit"
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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/usha-vance-jd-childless-cat-ladies_n_66b108bee4b0781f9246f5f1

She added that “JD absolutely at the time and today would never, ever, ever want to say something to hurt someone who was trying to have a family who really, you know, was struggling with that.”

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643. "Sent his wife to step on rakes"
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When I read her comments, it did come across like somebody didn't give her the right talking points.

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639. "Can’t believe I’m waiting on edge for a VP announcement"
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640. "CNN says its WALZ!!! "
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https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/kamala-harris-trump-election-08-06-24/index.html

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642. "Yeah"
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Shapiro had too much baggage.

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646. "What baggage did Shapiro have?"
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My only naive view was Pennsylvania is critical to winning and every inch counts there. A popular governor my deliver enough extra votes to secure the state.

I can't see this guy doing something similar

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648. "racism, zionism, sexual misconduct all recently linked to him."
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650. "Didn’t know about the sexism accusations"
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but MI was gone if we picked Shapiro

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661. "I'm out of the loop, why would MI be gone?"
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663. "cuz he's likely a zionist and MI has the largest arab-american..."
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649. "I felt the same way about securing PA"
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but I think Shapiro can still help us win PA and Walz will play better in the middle of the state.

This is where Biden did well and Hilldawg faltered with Tim Kaine.

Pennsyltucky is where they need to get some votes from these old white folk

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653. "agreed. and i think he can and will get (some) old whites there."
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he's a personable dude who can communicate clearly, and he's an (not too) old white guy himself so he's still relatable on that level.

  

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660. "648 and 650"
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644. "This Walz guy seems cool at first glance."
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Their election odds come down to policies so us independent voters look forward to reviewing those policies.

https://fallows.substack.com/p/election-countdown-99-days-to-go

https://www.startribune.com/dog-parks-diet-dew-and-car-sickness-a-collection-of-tidbits-about-gov-tim-walz/600766873

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654. "Because those Trump policies are compelling?"
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658. "LOL."
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670. "lulz"
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Amber may help Trump see the light!!!

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647. "So relieved about this."
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652. "probably the best pick possible as it stands right now."
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i know a lot of people are bummed it's not Shapiro because they see him as delivering PA if he was the choice.

don't discount Walz's ability to help deliver PA alongside Shapiro, who will still be doing is part in that effort. let's also remember that PA WAS blue in 2020.

  

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656. "I can ride with Walz"
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And Shapiro did seem to be a bit too slick and to see him playing second fiddle....the baggage stuff was mostly manufactured. Like folks keep saying there was a sexual harassment scandal but very few can say what the scandal was.


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659. "oh for sure. i dunno if the racism and sex stuff was legit."
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i didn't even bother looking. it's just like i said before, when you go take a sniff, that's not a scent you can smell if you're looking for a running mate.

  

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669. "Manufactured ?"
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>And Shapiro did seem to be a bit too slick and to see him
>playing second fiddle....the baggage stuff was mostly
>manufactured. Like folks keep saying there was a sexual
>harassment scandal but very few can say what the scandal was.
>


Coverup is easy to say

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13703411/kamala-harris-vp-josh-shapiro-office-sexual-harassment-scandal.html

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676. "Walz is a legit very good pick"
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655. "we really knew last night. you know they can't hide nothing..."
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and that video that came out yesterday evening of that fleet of black SUVs leaving Walz's house meant something.

they tried to play it off and say it was his normal governor's security detail but that shit looked different LOL.

  

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662. "yep! LOL"
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664. "All I know about Walz made an impression with the weird line"
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looking forward to seeing if he can deliver on the big stage this afternoon.

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665. "My 24 hours of Walz rabbit hole has been fuflfilling. "
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My major test was someone who is a good communicator and can talk to crowds and get people excited. I am seeing glimpse of that.

My favorite clip is of him saying Trump is terrified because he is going to lose to a black woman. That's hilarious and only the whitest white man can get away talking like that.


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666. "i just saw a clip of him riding The Slingshot at the MN State Fair..."
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with his daughter.

that is relatable AF and shows people, who always want their politicians to seem like "one of them," that he actually IS one of them.

  

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667. "Yea the more I learn the more I like him, as a human."
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He met his wife while they were both teaching.

He stopped drinking after getting a DUI in the mid 90s in Nebraska. Now he drinks Diet Mountain Dew incessantly.

lol. And those are obviously just fun facts. To say nothing of his progressive record and overwhelming support from his constituents.

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668. "everything I heard has been encouraging"
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and after my hesitation above I realized trying to get a VP who can deliver 1 state is a bad idea.

Kamala wasn’t needed to get Cali. Its about getting the most votes across as many states as possible be it Black votes or old ass white votes.

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671. "Yea I think Walz helps galvanize the lefties."
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And if turnout is high, Dems win 100x out of 100.

I don't think picking Shapiro would've had that same effect. And I also don't think picking him guaranteed PA or any other swing/middle America swing state.

I think this was the wise choice.

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672. "Vance calls Walz pick "anti-semitic" lmao"
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The desperate flailing is too rich.

First, Vance does his best to alienate as many voters as possible by childishly attacking cat-lovers and people without kids - now this? lol. Pathetic.

Somebody should tell Vance that his two idols -- George Washington & Jesus -- were childless. And probably loved cats.

Vance is quickly challenging Tom Cotton for worst Republican in the world.
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673. "Vance might be an even bigger dork than Cruz and DeSantis "
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Which previously seemed impossible that anyone could be a bigger dork than those two.

But here we are.

I can’t imagine Vance being good at anything. Just a complete dork ass loser.

  

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678. "I am just figuring out how astro-turfed all the Right Political "stars" ..."
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Like yeah these people don't have any grown roots movement behind them EXCEPT Trump.

Dems aren't great and not that independent of the donor class, but every Republican politician has been created in a lab and deployed upon us like New Coke.

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691. "Vance in particular is a fixture of that system"
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of corrupt merger b/w corporation & state. Bankrolled by Peter Thiel; venture capitalist -- supposedly going to be the guy for the working man - but will be a precision instrument of the tech bro oligarchy while feeding the culture wars with tribal narratives to stoke anger.

He's like a nightmare amalgamation of Bill O'Reilly & Ben Shapiro in one human being.

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693. "Therefore? Trump picking Vance is antisemitic "
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Republican Jewish Collation doesn't seem to notice that J.D. Vance isn't Jewish either.

Almost seems like the Republicans are being - gasp - disingenuous.

https://www.rjchq.org/kamala_harris_s_vp_selection_highlights_major_fissures_in_the_democratic_party

Kamala Harris’s VP Selection Highlights Major Fissures in the Democratic Party

Washington, DC – The Republican Jewish Coalition released the following statement in response to VP Kamala Harris’s rejection of PA Governor Josh Shapiro as the Democrats’ vice presidential candidate. RJC CEO Matt Brooks said:

The chaos swirling around Kamala Harris’s selection of her running mate has laid bare the serious fissures in the Democratic Party.

The loud and ascendant voices on the hard Left of today’s Democratic Party should terrify every Jewish American.

For weeks, various Democrats have attempted to derail PA Governor Josh Shapiro’s nomination to the national ticket - some going so far as to invoke vile antisemitic tropes. They succeeded: Josh Shapiro was too Jewish and too pro-Israel for today’s Democratic Party.

By selecting MN Governor Tim Walz instead, Kamala Harris has confirmed what many of us already knew: the Democratic Party is being held hostage by the progressive, anti-Israel Left. What a shanda.

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702. "right!?!"
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how is Vance pick not also antisemitic?

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679. "it appears that the biggest threat to a Kamala win is from Dems."
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she's caught up or is ahead in almost every poll.

538 now has her as the projected election winner.

and with that said, people from within the party (and outside of it) are trying to paint the Walz pick as antisemtic (despite him having a long record of being Pro Israel - but ya know, not zionist about it) because the pick wasn't Shapiro (who democratic Zionists saw as THEIR guy).

the call always comes from within the house with the Dems. it's so annoying.

  

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680. "Totally."
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>she's caught up or is ahead in almost every poll.
>
>538 now has her as the projected election winner.
>
>and with that said, people from within the party (and outside
>of it) are trying to paint the Walz pick as antisemtic
>(despite him having a long record of being Pro Israel - but ya
>know, not zionist about it) because the pick wasn't Shapiro
>(who democratic Zionists saw as THEIR guy).
>
>the call always comes from within the house with the Dems.
>it's so annoying.

There should be no possible way to fuck up this momentum. Even fucking Manchin is on board ! But they will somehow find a way to I'm sure, or at least try.

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681. "every VP gets picked apart as soon as they are announced"
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I think/hope Dems rally around him… after the swelling goes down as
my granny used to say.

Sure, the Jewish are mad but fuck them, they are always mad.

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682. "oh i hear you."
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to be honest, there's not a lot to pick apart (knock on wood).

like i said, SOME jews are mad but if you actually look at Walz's history, he has a history of very much being on their side. it just seems like he'll do that in a more reasoned and balanced way than Shapiro (though apparently Shapiro did call Netanyahu the worst leader of all time or something like that).

also, part of the reason Shapiro wasn't picked was because he's a school voucher guy, and he said some wild shit about protesters, amongst other things.

anyways, i'm moreso speaking on the annoyance that is this kinda stuff that Dems always do. for once, get out of your own way.

  

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683. "Yikes. "
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>Sure, the Jewish are mad but fuck them, they are always mad.

  

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685. "double barrows* for real "
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😬

(btw there's nothing wrong with standing up for your people)

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686. "cmon.. I’m talking about the one’s screaming antisemitism over Shapi..."
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684. "tiki torch?"
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>Sure, the Jewish are mad but fuck them, they are always mad.

  

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687. "Nah, just Black and not giving a fuck"
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anyone screaming antisemitism because Walz is the pick can eat a dick.

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688. "Jewish Dems calling the Walz pick anti-semitic isn't a thing"
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Unless you're under the impression that Nicki Haley is both a Democrat and Jewish.

Some Jews might not love the tenor of some of the discussion of Shapiro, but to say there's some sort of burgeoning movement to not vote for Harris because she picked Walz instead of him. Which is unlike what some were inferring/threatening if the roles were reversed.

Republicans very much want this to be a thing, because they're desperately hoping to gain Jewish voters (or at least have them to stay home). It's like their pipe dream of appealing to Black male voters to counter the possiblity of losing white women.

Personally, as stated above, I like the Walz pick. He agrees with everything that I agree with and seems like a good dude. And I know Shpiro has plenty of other issues (school vouchers, anti-masking stuff, not as strong with labor, not great on protests) that I think he could stand to wait. He'll be campaigning hard for Harris regardless.

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689. "GSD-(c) Shapiro lol"
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690. "coach walz!!! "
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kamala is killing this introduction. the energy levels compared to sleepy joe are immeasurable. I'm very much hyped.

lets go!!

  

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692. "this was a fantastic introduction for Walz"
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DNC is going to be off the hook

is the DNC always after the RNC?

Feels like the RNC was last year already, lol. Why so early?

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696. "The party with the sitting president usually goes second"
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I honestly don’t remember if it’s like that when the president is being termed out, but I **think** so.

These last few weeks show what it was so important that Biden waited until after the RNC (which seems like years ago), endorsed Harris, and every single prominent Democrat fell in line. They’ve been building momentum for like three straight weeks, and it’s still almost two more weeks until the convention starts.

If there had been an open convention and free for all for the top spot? The Dems would be spending four to five weeks smashing each other with chairs and making themselves look like clowns, while Trump sat back and laughed.. And even if/when Harris emerged with the nomination, she would have been extremely weakened.

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694. "knew nothing about this guy, but I love what I’ve seen "
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About time the gloves came off and someone started shitting on these absurd bad tv show villains, rather than treating them like legitimate and genuine political opponents. Theyre a fucking joke and should be treated as such.

  

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695. "^^^^^^"
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>RE: knew nothing about this guy, but I love what I’ve seen
>About time the gloves came off and someone started shitting
>on these absurd bad tv show villains, rather than treating
>them like legitimate and genuine political opponents. Theyre
>a fucking joke and should be treated as such.

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698. "exactly. not sure why it took Dems this long to do this."
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like, it's not weird to call conservatives weird for platforming Nazi sympathizers, etc.

maybe we wouldn't be here if this started years and years ago. Dems were trying to "gotta hear both sides" with christian nationalists and white supremacists.

i mean, the average citizen Dem was doing it, but we needed the elected Dems to do this.

  

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700. "We were so focused on calling Trump scary, dangerous.. a bully. "
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and turned him into a supervillain

No one really thought to just call them weirdo’s… lol

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701. "A more simple, comedic, and less disdainful"
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version of Hilary Clinton calling Trump supporters deplorables from when she was running for President.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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699. "71% of Americans knew nothing about him"
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fantastic first impression.

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703. "I didn't either, but he comes off highly likeable "
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polar opposite of Vance in that respect
I'm not even talking about anything policy related, just as a human being/ presence wise.

  

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697. "he was on Trump's council of govenors, LOL. "
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704. "Lovable Coach vs. Lovin His Couch"
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705. "oops. all that Kamala is a stronger candidate talk….cringey af rn"
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