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Mynoriti
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"these block the road climate activists "


  

          

https://twitter.com/FordFischer/status/1695794212686450915?t=yJepT09tgD4q4Do23MPz0w&s=19

to be fair I don't know how much this happens, if it's happening more frequently, or if it's just popping up on twitter more. I did see one fairly close to me last week, and another one on the way to Vegas where the cops showed up and started flinging people off the street.

then there's the let's destroy art ones.

I get it that protest is supposed to be disruptive but in a practical sense, how on earth is this helping the cause?

  

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With the left, upholding past ways is the MAIN/ONLY goal
Aug 30th 2023
1
you have this part back asswards
Aug 30th 2023
2
Uphold tradition
Aug 30th 2023
3
Yea, man
Aug 31st 2023
14
lol
Sep 02nd 2023
29
the Nevada thing was tribal cops
Aug 30th 2023
4
That's a pretty interesting wrinkle
Aug 30th 2023
7
Yeah, you have no rights on tribal land so...FAFO
Aug 30th 2023
9
they thought shit was sweet lol
Aug 31st 2023
12
sometimes it's very satisfying to watch cops be dicks lol
Aug 31st 2023
13
there is nothing practical about ignoring climate change
Aug 30th 2023
5
The left protesters are VERY up for MORE- even when law enforcement ...
Aug 30th 2023
6
corporations, billionaires, rich governments love shit like this
Aug 30th 2023
8
The protesters are ignoring climate change too, though.
Aug 30th 2023
11
Got time (and inclination) to highlight the classic "Okey-doke"
Aug 30th 2023
10
I'm on an Amtrak train that was 4 hours late
Aug 31st 2023
15
so i just want make sure i understand...these dumbasses were
Sep 01st 2023
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No, the delay wasn't explained
Sep 01st 2023
17
      ok gotcha
Sep 01st 2023
18
I love riding amtrak
Sep 01st 2023
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I was looking fwd to it
Sep 01st 2023
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      yea the timing makes a difference
Sep 01st 2023
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           Yea, Coast Starlight
Sep 01st 2023
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                did the Southwest Chief a few years ago
Sep 02nd 2023
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                thx, i'll look into it
Sep 03rd 2023
34
                rode the train from Williams into the Grand Canyon
Sep 02nd 2023
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                     train ride for the kids sounds great
Sep 03rd 2023
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These problems won't be solved in our lifetime, or maybe ever.
Sep 01st 2023
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Isn't this why we all hate PETA?
Sep 01st 2023
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Performative activism aside…
Sep 01st 2023
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in a way yeah
Sep 01st 2023
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Interesting…
Sep 03rd 2023
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It doesn't have to be one or the other.
Sep 03rd 2023
31
who's celebrating these people?
Sep 03rd 2023
32
Basically just themselves, as far as I can tell.
Sep 03rd 2023
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      who is even making excuses for them?
Sep 04th 2023
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           Yeah I'll get back to one of the threads where we explore
Sep 04th 2023
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these activists may as well have been hired by oil companies
Sep 03rd 2023
37
why does getting punched in the face
Sep 03rd 2023
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"what's worse" only works if blocking the road curbs climate change
Sep 03rd 2023
38
      lol
Sep 04th 2023
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           thanks for your usual useless contribution
Sep 04th 2023
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           oh I'm sorry I distracted you from your important work
Sep 05th 2023
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                spam at this point
Sep 05th 2023
46
           People posting the same literal shit as anti-BLM folks, anti-Occupy, /et...
Sep 05th 2023
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                you really put an mlk link in there
Sep 05th 2023
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                Yeah
Sep 05th 2023
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                exactly. its sad how easily folks can join that side of things
Sep 05th 2023
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                     It's weird yall fall for the false equivalency.
Sep 06th 2023
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                          Lol
Sep 06th 2023
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                               "maybe they're not drawing everyone to the cause"
Sep 06th 2023
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                               ?
Sep 06th 2023
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                                    I'm assuming he's pointing out how disingenuous that statement is
Sep 06th 2023
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                                         Same person cheering on the police beating protestors wants to
Sep 06th 2023
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                                         counterpoint: can you find anybody who these worked on?
Sep 06th 2023
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                                              You want the police to beat up supporters of the GND too?
Sep 06th 2023
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                                                   I don't want the police to beat up anybody 🙄
Sep 06th 2023
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                                                        You say you care about climate change, yet refer to is as "your movement...
Sep 06th 2023
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                                                             lol you know what she meant
Sep 06th 2023
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                                         Yea I picked up the sarcasm lol I just think it's .. well, disingenuous.
Sep 06th 2023
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                                         if i slash your tires
Sep 06th 2023
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                                              Speaking of bad faith.
Sep 06th 2023
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                                                   *shrug* same concept
Sep 06th 2023
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                                                   You say that it's bad faith to compare different movements, but ...
Sep 06th 2023
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                                                        not exactly what i said but yes
Sep 06th 2023
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                                                             Fair enough. I don't even care to die on this particular hill really.
Sep 06th 2023
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                                                                  all good, i get where you're coming from
Sep 06th 2023
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                                                   so now we can't even joke about this dumb shit?
Sep 06th 2023
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                                                        You don't have to pretend anything.
Sep 06th 2023
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                                                             this is a terrible argument
Sep 06th 2023
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                                                             I think this is pretty terrible logic. And it's also pretty common.
Sep 06th 2023
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                                                                  The Young Turks cohost Ana Kasparian (who is VERY left!-wing)...
Sep 06th 2023
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                                                                       Ana's been coloring outside the lines lately
Sep 06th 2023
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                                         ^^^^Same 'argument' as almost every anti-BLM person I've ever talked wit...
Sep 06th 2023
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                                              Right right right.
Sep 06th 2023
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                                              great tactic if you're trying to guilt people into shutting up
Sep 06th 2023
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                                              yup, this is the bread and butter tactic
Sep 06th 2023
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                                              RE: RE: great tactic if you're trying to DEFLECT
Sep 07th 2023
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                                                   you: i'm not deflecting you're deflecting lol
Sep 07th 2023
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                                                   Nice pivot to police brutality (indeed a better stance)
Sep 08th 2023
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                                              baffling
Sep 06th 2023
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                               All publicity is good publicity is just dumb and juvenile.
Sep 06th 2023
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I'm not reading all that
Sep 07th 2023
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agreed
Sep 07th 2023
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environment activist glued his feet to the stadium concrete at US Open
Sep 07th 2023
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That’s crazy, did they cut his feet off?
Sep 08th 2023
85
yep, used a chainsaw
Sep 08th 2023
86
      most other countries they would have
Sep 08th 2023
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If the activist had caused Coco to lose, I was gonna buy a Hummer.
Sep 08th 2023
88
ended up being a pretty good match...ole gal almost pulled off that
Sep 08th 2023
89
super
Sep 08th 2023
91
how about the fan yelling Nazi talk to Sverer?
Sep 08th 2023
92
who here financiall, emotionally, or spiritually supported this man?
Sep 08th 2023
93

c71
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1. "With the left, upholding past ways is the MAIN/ONLY goal"
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Wed Aug-30-23 12:32 PM by c71

  

          

Riots and protests are the past traditions to uphold.

Which is why the Supreme Court gets more more right-wing. No other strategy of the left other than riots and protests. Whereas the right has plan upon plan upon plan upon strategy upon strategy...



>I get it that protest is supposed to be disruptive but in a
>practical sense, how on earth is this helping the cause?


Edit: I read this article quoting AOC and...it says it all:

https://www.businessinsider.com/aoc-left-progressives-bewildered-power-democrats-corporate-interests-2023-8

  

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2. "you have this part back asswards"
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>Which is why the Supreme Court gets more more right-wing. No
>other strategy of the left other than riots and protests.
>Whereas the right has plan upon plan upon plan upon strategy
>upon strategy...



All the left has is protests/etc because of the current power situation.


Left =/ Democrats


Democrats have very little strategy (or desire) to accumulate power....and have essentially ignored the left for decades.


This next cycle will be the same as others....Democrats and their cheerleaders will yell down the left/the youth/whatever about how this is the most important election of their lives and that they must vote Democrat in order to protect (in this case, the environment)....and when they will win Dark Brandon will approve more oil drilling permits.


Then "the left" will protest...and some will complain that all they do is protest.





  

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3. "Uphold tradition "
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>the left" will protest...and some will complain that all
>they do is protest.
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14. "Yea, man"
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29. "lol"
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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4. "the Nevada thing was tribal cops"
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they don't fuck around

https://twitter.com/BillyM2k/status/1696548334465630353?t=PmeNMF0M3gRpqIkAv6xGvQ&s=19

  

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7. "That's a pretty interesting wrinkle"
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wonder of the protestors had any clue about kind of land they were protesting on.

Environmental concerns versus concerns over sovereign land.

A pretty interesting mix.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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9. "Yeah, you have no rights on tribal land so...FAFO"
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12. "they thought shit was sweet lol"
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nah

  

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13. "sometimes it's very satisfying to watch cops be dicks lol"
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On very rare occasions their sociopathy can be put to good use lol

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5. "there is nothing practical about ignoring climate change"
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which is what corporations, billionaires and rich governments are doing

therefore, why should the response to that blatant disregard be practical?

why is that required? you're speaking of the discomfort to your own life and day...hella selfish and me me me which is how we got here in the first place

i think they're not disrupting systems ENOUGH

there is nothing humans can do that storms, the sun, the cold, water etc can do to 100x the magnitude.

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6. "The left protesters are VERY up for MORE- even when law enforcement ..."
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...infiltrates and "encourages" more activities. The okey-doke.
>
>i think they're not disrupting systems ENOUGH
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8. "corporations, billionaires, rich governments love shit like this"
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if "climate activist" is automatically associated with people like this, they're doing their work for them.

  

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11. "The protesters are ignoring climate change too, though. "
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Do they think the problem is "awareness"? People have heard about climate change by now.

I understand the frustration, but it increasingly seems like a kind of self-flagellation.

The only solution at this point is technology, and that's where there's a huge lack of awareness, including among environmentalists. If the whole world had turned over its energy base entirely to nuclear fission back in the 1960's, as some nations like France and Japan (yes, Japan) did, the climate would have never reached a crisis point in the first place. (And we'd have also had fewer injuries and deaths, and less environmental degradation, from this energy generation than from any other existing technology, including wind and solar.) We won't fix this problem until people start caring about actually fixing it.

  

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10. "Got time (and inclination) to highlight the classic "Okey-doke""
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Wed Aug-30-23 06:02 PM by c71

  

          

or "Rope-a-dope"

Sort of like my well-known campaigns against third-party voting.

I'm ALWAYS trying to discourage Left-wing people from doin' what they want to do.

Now, some of y'all are going to say that I (again) am trying to keep left-wing people from doing some worthwhile effective stuff.

but...

...judge for yourself.


Ahem


https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-eco-radical-underground-245345/

(SUB)CULTURE

The Rise and Fall of the Eco-Radical Underground

Rolling Stone's 2006 feature on what the government calls the 'the number-one domestic terrorism threat'

BY VANESSA GRIGORIADIS

Supporters in the environmental movement agree. “This is such a waste of good people,” says Roselle. “I’ll bet I trained some of these people in nonviolent civil disobedience, and we taught them that history shows that radical movements that are violent make people paranoid, isolated and easy for the feds to pick off.” He starts to choke up. “When I think about them, it brings me to tears.”

One day in the spring of 2003, Ferguson’s own world changed. “I was going to cop drugs and I noticed an undercover car following me,” he recalls. “I was like, ‘Oh, shit,’ because I hadn’t seen that for a couple of years. The feds brought me in and said, “We’re not taking your bullshit anymore. You better take this deal right this minute or someone else will.’ All I’m thinking about is my kid. I don’t want to put him in a foster home. All I ever remembered of my dad is him in jail with his stupid gang tattoos and fucking bandanna on his head. My kid is a rad special person, and I wasn’t going to be that kind of dad to him.”

Ferguson agreed to cooperate, and his lawyer asked that he receive the $50,000 reward for information on the arsons. “When I made the deal, I was thinking I was the luckiest motherfucker in the world,” Ferguson says. “But I wasn’t realizing that I was the FBI’s bitch from then until whenever. I had put the nails in my friends’ coffins, and I had to pound them in.”


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OKP argumentative/contrarianism - go at it. Here is what Damali's wishes of more disruption goes to - ALWAYS - WITHOUT FAIL.


Edit: I must admit I can't find the Rollingstone article that really highlights the infiltration aspect...but this article will have to suffice:



https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/jan/12/second-undercover-police-officer-unmasked

Second police officer to infiltrate environmental activists unmasked


'Officer A', who played key role in climate camp, has been accused of betraying friends worried by her disappearance

Paul Lewis, Rob Evans and Martin Wainwright

Wed 12 Jan 2011 18.12 EST


She lived in a house in the student quarter of Leeds, showed a keen interest in protest and had an anarchist poster of the Queen Mother with punk hair on her wall. But in fact, unbeknown to her friends, she was an undercover police officer.

Yesterday the woman's double-life began to unravel as she became the second police spy to have infiltrated the environmental protest movement to be unmasked by the Guardian.

Tonight senior police sources confirmed that the woman, who was active in the movement for four years, was in fact an officer from a police force in the south-east seconded to the National Public Order Intelligence Unit.

It is the same unit – belonging to the Association of Chief Police Officers – that PC Mark Kennedy, a Met officer, was seconded to before he quit the operation, telling friends that what he had done was "wrong".

It was Kennedy who – in a serious breach of protocol – named Officer A to friends as a fellow police officer three months ago.

At the request of intelligence officials, the Guardian has agreed to withhold identifying details about the woman, who is still a serving officer, and will refer to her only as "Officer A".

The woman disappeared from Leeds in early 2008, citing personal reasons. Although she had a leaving party with close friends, she has not been seen by them since. It is believed that she has since had a role in other police operations unrelated to the protest.

Last night a Leeds University lecturer Paul Chatterton, 37, a close friend of the woman, said she had "abused the trust" of activists and that her infiltration had been immoral. "She appeared in 2004 in Leeds and wanted to get involved in various protest movements in the city," he said. "She said, 'What are you guys doing? I'd like to get involved.'"

Chatterton was among a number of activists in the city who came to know the woman well, and now feel betrayed.

He said he saw Officer A around twice a week, and he regularly joined her in the pub or went running with her in the local park. "I considered her quite a close friend," he said.


In retrospect, however, he said he was suspicious about some aspects of her life, such as poster in her living room by the anarchist group Class War. "I always found it quite weird," he said. "It was almost like she wanted to prove herself by having political propaganda on her wall."

Sam Harris, 26, another friend, said people were now "gutted and upset".

Details of her operation will add to mounting concern over a national police operation to infiltrate a peaceful protest movement. On Monday, the Guardian revealed that PC Mark Kennedy had lived for seven years in the protest movement.

Officer A, in her undercover guise, first emerged in Leeds about six years ago, expressing an interest in green activism. Like Kennedy, she then spent years living a double-life as an environmental activist.

She left in 2008 after telling friends she had to leave urgently, for personal reasons, to live in another city.

Senior police sources confirmed tonight that the length of time these two officers – and perhaps more – lived undercover in the protest movement was highly unusual.

Other agents, such as those disrupting serious organised crime, spend considerably less time undercover, but an exception is made for those who need to gain the trust of environmental activists.

Crucially, the woman knew Kennedy, who some suspect of using sexual relationships with activists as a "tactic" to obtain information. According to people who knew both Kennedy and Officer A, they encountered each other during the planning for the first Climate Camp, the event that was used to attempt to close down the Drax coal-fired power station, in North Yorkshire in 2006 and is now an annual fixture.


"Mark and knew each other very well," said one activist. "They hung out. They were both involved in the first climate camp and both had roles driving people to the site at Drax. He was openly sleeping with people – must have known that."

Her role during the Drax operation was key. "She was a driver, did some reccies for actions and of course involved herself in the social aspect of the camp," said Kate Anderson, 29, another friend. "She was present at Drax and Heathrow climate camp actions, against Coryton oil refinery and various anti-capitalist gatherings and protests," she added.

Officer A remains well-remembered at the Common Place, a former pork pie factory in Leeds which has given space and resources to radical groups for six years.

She was one of a group who rented the redbrick premises in Wharf Street as a local contribution to preparations for protests against the Gleneagles G8 summit in 2005. Volunteers at the centre said that she had "certainly been at the core" of the group, and was also involved in the practical side of running a cafe at the centre and the day-to-day finances.

Officer A's credentials were not checked in at the Common Place, which has always been open-minded and welcoming. Apart from hosting groups acting for social change, environmental concern and autonomous movements, it runs English classes for asylum seekers, bike maintenance and repair workshops and social events. "If she was an undercover officer, I imagine she would have found us useful as a way of getting contacts more than anything else," said one of the volunteers, who preferred not to be named. "She was certainly very involved and made some close friendships."

Other activists remembered hearing that Officer A had been involved in a proposal to blockade Drax by hiring cars and locking them down on the only approach road. Although discussed, this plan was never carried out.

Officer A's abrupt disappearance in 2008 caused concern about her welfare rather than suspicion of her role. Workers at Common Place – many of whom have day jobs in the public sector – were reluctant to believe she was an undercover police officer. "People were worried, though, when they tried to find out where she might have gone, and discovered that addresses and people she had mentioned did not exist," said one volunteer.

  

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15. "I'm on an Amtrak train that was 4 hours late"
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Once I get home, I'm looking at maybe 5 hours sleep before I gotta be on point for an important day tmw. Drove down with a friend, figured train back would be easy. Wrong. Wrong!

Yea wish we took two cars down. I'd be home rn chillin, resting up right.

Wonder what the road blockers would have recommended. Staying at home?

  

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16. "so i just want make sure i understand...these dumbasses were"
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blocking the tracks for your train causing a 4 hour delay?

  

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17. "No, the delay wasn't explained"
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... though Amtrak does share track with oil trains...so maybe.

My point was that passenger trains in the USA suck. On paper, these are two of the most "environmentally conscious" cities in the country.

It took us 3 hours 15 minutes to drive Seattle to Portland in the morning.

From the scheduled Amtrak departure to back home last night? 7 hours 48 minutes.

Solving this seems like a good idea...

  

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18. "ok gotcha"
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19. "I love riding amtrak "
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but, I'd probably feel different if I had to use it as a commuter train.

I love it for travel, and if I'm going somewhere and have time I'll usually check if there's a train option one way

  

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24. "I was looking fwd to it"
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Hadn't taken it in years...goes through some nice scenery you dont see from the highway....by the time we were rolling through there...it was dark lol

  

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25. "yea the timing makes a difference "
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if it's overnight you're not gonna see much and just sleep lol

was that the coast starlight? I took it last month from cali to oregon but I know it goes to seattle.

this one had no delays

  

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26. "Yea, Coast Starlight"
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Got some chips and pretzels in the food car. And a recently retired schoolteacher fed me sugar cookies. Dinner of champions.

I was pressed for time and it failed me but I'd like to take a longer trip some day. William t vollmann writes well about train travel. His account of taking some line thru nowhere Canada stuck with me. Paul Theroux's books too.

Anyone ever ride a train...just to ride a train? Wonder which lines are worth looking into

  

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27. "did the Southwest Chief a few years ago"
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From LA to Chicago. Took 2 days.
That's been my favorite so far.

it's also a cool way to talk to all different types of people.

>Anyone ever ride a train...just to ride a train? Wonder which
>lines are worth looking into
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34. "thx, i'll look into it"
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agree about good way to talk to people. more space, more flux of people than a plane.

would be great if we got high speed rail and this became a way people got around...at least regionally. but like ryan m said below, i'm not holding my breath

  

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28. "rode the train from Williams into the Grand Canyon"
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with some loud and drunk mexicans and one real angry white dude who tried to take them all on.

scenery was meh but we wanted the kids to experience a train ride AND you don't need a car in the canyon so it was nice to sit back, sip on some dranks and relax. Kids met a girl their age on the return trip so they really had a great time on the way back.

I used to take Amtrack from Pittsburgh to NYC all the time. Nice trip but I do remember one time we had a long wait and had to change trains in the middle of nowhere due to a train derailment.

never rode the Accela train but stood on the platform while it went by and that shit was fast af. Can't even imagine what a real bullet train feels like



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35. "train ride for the kids sounds great"
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give them a sense of the land and whatnot. grand canyon though? just imagining that thing breaking down...ok you're sitting for an hour...they're working on it...then...AC breaks down....shit would get hot as sin mighty quick.

only been to the grand canyon once. looking into that thing felt like i was on acid. never had so much for my eyes to take in. every way you turn, more intricate detail to clock. would like to look at some ultra high-res photos of it

  

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20. "These problems won't be solved in our lifetime, or maybe ever."
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Capitalism has truly ruined fucking everything.

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21. "Isn't this why we all hate PETA?"
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I don't see how making bad associations with a cause and it's activist can ever help a cause.




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22. "Performative activism aside…"
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PETA is pretty terrible for many reasons outside of that

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23. "in a way yeah"
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noble cause. insufferable people

Peta doesn't get to claim they're doing this for everyone and their grandchildren. It gives the climate activists another layer of sanctimony.

  

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30. "Interesting…"
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A lot of the arguments being made here are quite aligned with the Libertarian host

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC60YYJG5eM

Im with Brianna on this

Maybe the real question should be, why does a road closure or other act of disruption upset you more than a decaying planet that is costing millions of lives per year and making fossil fuel industry trillions of dollars in profits?



  

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31. "It doesn't have to be one or the other. "
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The oil companies are snakes. Every last one of them. But when an oil company wastes time and energy, exploiting the climate crisis for no purpose other than building unearned social capital, we rightly dismiss it as greenwashing.

When rich white kids do exactly the same thing, they expect to be celebrated as "activists." They don't even have a goal, much less a plan. They're every bit as ignorant of the science as the oil company CEOs. They're not activists, they're posers. They don't care one bit about the climate, and they're only doing harm.

  

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32. "who's celebrating these people?"
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we haven't heard about them from their fans

not ever, not on any level

do they even have any?

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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33. "Basically just themselves, as far as I can tell."
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And the people making excuses for them.

Maybe they think they have a following on TikTok or something.

  

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39. "who is even making excuses for them?"
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idk who is talking about them unprompted

there is no real issue here

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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41. "Yeah I'll get back to one of the threads where we explore "
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the important issues of the day.

  

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37. "these activists may as well have been hired by oil companies "
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36. "why does getting punched in the face"
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upset you more than a story about a kid in ukraine losing both legs in a bombing?

dyk people have things called jobs that require them to go from their "homes" to their "workplaces" and that this often requires them to drive on things called "roads"?

btw...the reason ppl have "jobs" is so they can have things like "food" and "homes"


>Maybe the real question should be, why does a road closure or
>other act of disruption upset you more than a decaying planet
>that is costing millions of lives per year and making fossil
>fuel industry trillions of dollars in profits?

  

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38. ""what's worse" only works if blocking the road curbs climate change"
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i'm not even sure if it works then. There's nearly always something more important to care about or be upset over, or that we should be using our bandwidth on than what we're actually doing at any given moment, and people drop those arguments at their convenience.

but this idea that someone shouldn't be able to get to work or get their loved one to the hospital because 'destroying the planet is worse' is self righteous bs.


  

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40. "lol"
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you don't give a shit about the person on the road

you just think you have permission to be mad at these people.



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42. "thanks for your usual useless contribution"
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45. "oh I'm sorry I distracted you from your important work "
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please continue with everything you're doing

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46. "spam at this point "
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43. "People posting the same literal shit as anti-BLM folks, anti-Occupy, /et..."
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Same shit being posted.

A lot of "What good are you doing?"

"Cops don't fuck around and I support that at least in this case"

"What if.. um..., there was a baby in a a ambulance that um got delayed and then the baby got real sick and then the baby had a seizure and then the baby could never walk!! Why are you protesting *this way* when a baby might not be able to walk!"

"If they are so mad at climate change then how come they use refrigerators to store food? That contributes to global warming!!!"

Reminder: https://www.newsweek.com/martin-luther-king-jr-was-not-always-popular-back-day-780387

Me: If it's some annoying folks blocking a road and then cops come and beat on them, I'm on the annoying folks side.

It still annoys me too.

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44. "you really put an mlk link in there"
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Lol

  

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47. "Yeah"
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>
>"Cops don't fuck around and I support that at least in this
>case"


That was too much

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48. "exactly. its sad how easily folks can join that side of things"
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capitalism and comfort are a helluva drug

d

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49. "It's weird yall fall for the false equivalency. "
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You can be entirely for proactive measures to curb climate change and think these stunts are corny and counterproductive.

Infact, I am sure the folks who are most actively taking steps that will actually impact climate change, have nothing to do with these stunts.

Yall have no evidence whatsoever that these pranks/stunts are helpful in the effort to curb climate change, but fall for the notion that you have to support this stuff, if you support efforts to curb climate change.

SMH.


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50. "Lol"
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No one is falling for anything and the idea that these stunts being "corny" is of some importance to you is fucking hilarious in the worst way.

You know how these efforts are "helpful"? They get publicity. They've got you making dumb ass posts. May be they're not drawing everyone to the cause, that's fair, but it isn't because they're doing something "wrong" persay. It's because some people have mindsets that lead them to cheer unarmed people getting beat up by police or because they think that mythical ambulance situation is how things actually work.

Disruption and attention are their goals. You can't possibly believe that they or anyone thinks this single action is going to curb climate change. It's one tactic among many.

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51. ""maybe they're not drawing everyone to the cause""
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Lol

  

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53. "I'm assuming he's pointing out how disingenuous that statement is"
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*Nobody* likes these stunts and the only thing they accomplish is making people dislike the climate movement more.

I'm all in favor of climate mitigation actions and these performative actions make me want to burn some fossil fuels just for the fuck of it lol.

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54. "Same person cheering on the police beating protestors wants to "
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accelerate climate change to spite those same protestors. You centrists are really something.

Mind showing me how you were able to arrive at "nobody"?
Seems fake.

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60. "counterpoint: can you find anybody who these worked on?"
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And I won't even include policymakers, I'll just keep it to regular people with average amounts of financial or political power.

And for the record, obviously the word "nobody" is a bit hyperbolic. How about "nobody besides people who think the Green New Deal is good policy"?

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63. "You want the police to beat up supporters of the GND too?"
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67. "I don't want the police to beat up anybody 🙄"
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Somehow me pointing out the police being cartoonishly gruff is equivalent to me wanting the police to beat people? What are you even talking about?

I saw *one* video of the police interacting with the protesters. Nobody was getting beat up in the video I saw. Why y'all are trying to insinuate me joking about the police actually doing their jobs is equivalent to me wanting people to get beat is exactly why nobody takes your movements seriously.

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70. "You say you care about climate change, yet refer to is as "your movement..."
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ie not shygurl's cause.
thanks for further clarifying what side you're on.

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72. "lol you know what she meant"
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but i guess 'you're one of them' is more fun

>thanks for further clarifying what side you're on.

  

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55. "Yea I picked up the sarcasm lol I just think it's .. well, disingenuous."
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There's not one grassroots movement in world history that brought "everyone" on board.

And the initial point was just that of course there are detractors, there are always detractors. And in this particular case and many more, those detractors distract from the underlying *purpose* of the protest by pretending that they disagree with the *style* of protest, when in reality they just don't care about our collective inaction on climate. Or they actively disagree that there even is an ongoing climate catastrophe that we collectively refuse to deal with in any meaningful way. One way or another their critiques are, again, disingenuous at best.

I don't even know if I find this particular brand of activism all that useful in the big picture/in modern times myself, but generally speaking I'm of the mindset that even if they bring one single person on board, it's worth it. And I'm certainly not gonna be applauding the police over them fucking ever lol.

I also wouldn't agree that "*nobody*" likes these stunts lol, clearly many do.

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58. "if i slash your tires"
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but i'm a climate activist, are you cool with it because climate change is worse?

activism isn't one size fits all, and i'd argue that to just say "Well people didn't X either at first" is bad faith, or at least pretty naive.

these people might as well be on the payroll of the oil companies. i doubt oil execs shudder when they see shit like this. i'd guess if anything they appreciate it

  

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59. "Speaking of bad faith."
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>if i slash your tires
>but i'm a climate activist, are you cool with it because
>climate change is worse?

C'mon.


>activism isn't one size fits all, and i'd argue that to just
>say "Well people didn't X either at first" is bad faith, or at
>least pretty naive.
>
>these people might as well be on the payroll of the oil
>companies. i doubt oil execs shudder when they see shit like
>this. i'd guess if anything they appreciate it

Well yea cuz they and other capitalists/people in power have successfully demonized these types of movements and the protesters to the extent that even people who are ostensibly on the same "side" as the activists (i.e. many people in here) end up siding with the police/capital. So, mission accomplished from their point of view. Their work is being done for them.

Like someone else already pointed out, this isn't, shouldn't be, *can't* be, the only tactic. But I'm for damn sure gonna support them before I start patting the fucking cops on their backs or saying shit like "makes me wanna go burn some fossil fuels !" If protests like this cause you to "change sides" and stop *supporting* climate activism (or whatever the particular cause might be), then you weren't all that serious about it to begin with so good riddance.

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61. "*shrug* same concept"
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i don't think people in power need to "demonize" people who are doing a pretty good job on their own


  

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62. "You say that it's bad faith to compare different movements, but ..."
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... clearly there's good reason to.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/07/04/the-civil-rights-movement-might-have-been-nonviolent-but-to-critics-it-was-considered-uncivil/

"The historic debate between advocates of nonviolence and self-defense obscures the reality that nonviolent civil disobedience received widespread condemnation by both defenders of segregation and moderates who personally disapproved of Jim Crow. Both groups criticized the protest tactics designed to eradicate that evil system."

My overarching point is that I'm gonna spend nary a second condemning the protesters because if you agree with their underlying *purpose* then all your time and energy needs to be spent bashing the other side. I don't see how it's beneficial to spend even a second criticizing the people who are fighting for something that you say you believe in, even if you may cringe at their tactics for whatever reason.

And speaking of comparisons, this conversation literally echoes the conversations I had with a few people in 2014 and 2020 over the Michael Brown and George Floyd murders. "I agree with them, but why do they have to burn and destroy property ?!" Why focus on that, if you agree with them ?

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65. "not exactly what i said but yes"
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blocking people from getting where they need to be (in the og video it's white people blocking mostly poc folks from getting to work), or throwing paint on a artwork, and excusing it by saying "well civil rights was unpopular too"

yes. bad faith.

  

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68. "Fair enough. I don't even care to die on this particular hill really."
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(That hill being traffic protesters, to be clear).

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69. "all good, i get where you're coming from"
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even if i don't entirely agree.

  

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64. "so now we can't even joke about this dumb shit?"
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These are very obviously not serious people who execute ineffectient, poorly thought out, wasteful performances, and I should pretend this should be treated the same as more impactful actions?

Y'all really have to get off your high horse and meet us in reality.

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66. "You don't have to pretend anything."
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I'll just copy/paste what I just said to Mynoriti above cuz in response cuz it's basically what I'd say in response here, too:

My overarching point is that I'm gonna spend nary a second condemning the protesters because if you agree with their underlying *purpose* then all your time and energy needs to be spent bashing the other side. I don't see how it's beneficial to spend even a second criticizing the people who are fighting for something that you say you believe in, even if you may cringe at their tactics for whatever reason.

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74. "this is a terrible argument"
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people always trying to police what people pay attention to rather than engaging with the matter at hand


>
>My overarching point is that I'm gonna spend nary a second
>condemning the protesters because if you agree with their
>underlying *purpose* then all your time and energy needs to be
>spent bashing the other side. I don't see how it's beneficial
>to spend even a second criticizing the people who are fighting
>for something that you say you believe in, even if you may
>cringe at their tactics for whatever reason.

  

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77. "I think this is pretty terrible logic. And it's also pretty common."
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>My overarching point is that I'm gonna spend nary a second
>condemning the protesters because if you agree with their
>underlying *purpose* then all your time and energy needs to be
>spent bashing the other side. I don't see how it's beneficial
>to spend even a second criticizing the people who are fighting
>for something that you say you believe in, even if you may
>cringe at their tactics for whatever reason.


The idea that if you are on the same "side" you shouldn't question their tactics is such a simplistic flattened, short-sighted way to think about any topic.

And the simplest way to understand why it is, just consider for a second what if their tactics actually HURT your cause?

Like it's crazy to me that you guys aren't at all engaging the idea that this tactics are not effective and might actually be counterproductive.

I would love for someone to provide some evidence that this is actually effective. You all just seem to have this faith that because they are doing it and have good intentions, it must be good. Or this simplistic idea that all attention/publicity is good publicity.

But yall's conversation doesn't seem to take into consideration effectiveness. You want to give these folks participation trophies for trying. Fuck that. They (we) are all supposed to be grown ups and you don't get an E for effort as a grown up.

That's why people are calling it performative.





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78. "The Young Turks cohost Ana Kasparian (who is VERY left!-wing)..."
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...a few weeks ago was pretty clear EVEN she didn't think these street blockage protests were effective.

The other host Cenk said they should be more directed at the corporations (not the public)

....but...

...when protesters do that...

...historically the law enforcement infiltrates start "encouraging" them to cross the line...like now these Georgia Cop City protesters got a RICO case.

So...

..if they do what TYT host/owner Cenk advises and target the Corporations/Cop city, they spending time in court/jail.

So...

Why not just put effort in getting people registered to vote and getting people to the polls on election day if more Elizabeth Warren's and AOC's can ACTUALLY achieve something?

Instead of just (again) "upholding tradition "

  

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79. "Ana's been coloring outside the lines lately "
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ever since she complained about being referred to as a birthing person

every month or so she says some shit that makes the tribe look at her sideways

  

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56. "^^^^Same 'argument' as almost every anti-BLM person I've ever talked wit..."
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>*Nobody* likes these stunts and the only thing they
>accomplish is making people dislike the climate movement
>more.
>
>I'm all in favor of climate mitigation actions and these
>performative actions make me want to burn some fossil fuels
>just for the fuck of it lol.

Replace climate movement with "civil rights" and fossil fuels with "them."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_coal

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57. "Right right right."
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>>*Nobody* likes these stunts and the only thing they
>>accomplish is making people dislike the climate movement
>>more.
>>
>>I'm all in favor of climate mitigation actions and these
>>performative actions make me want to burn some fossil fuels
>>just for the fuck of it lol.
>
>Replace climate movement with "civil rights" and fossil fuels
>with "them."
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_coal

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73. "great tactic if you're trying to guilt people into shutting up"
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"you don't want to sound like one of 'them' do you?"

you could justify a whole lotta shit if you can hide behind 'well civil rights wasn't popular at first either'


  

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76. "yup, this is the bread and butter tactic"
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of a lot of the loudest and wrongest posters on here.

complete evasion of any responsibility, they make internal criticism (necessary for evolution) of their side strictly off limits

>"you don't want to sound like one of 'them' do you?"
>
>you could justify a whole lotta shit if you can hide behind
>'well civil rights wasn't popular at first either'
>
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80. "RE: RE: great tactic if you're trying to DEFLECT"
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>"you don't want to sound like one of 'them' do you?"

The videos that started this this thread (and they're all over Reddit now) show peaceful activists blocking a road, with no guns, no violence, just civil disobedience -- and being beat on by cops.

A BUNCH of replies have been "Hey, I might'd gotten inconvenienced a little because of it, so cops - beat away!!" (note:the poster was not inconvenienced by protests) and "I agree with the goals they are trying to promote, but they annoy me so I'll do the OPPOSITE!!"

>you could justify a whole lotta shit if you can hide behind
>'well civil rights wasn't popular at first either'

While civil rights are STILL not popular - I was talking about the *even less popular* CIVIL RIGHTS PROTESTS.

So yes, I used the civil rights protests as an example because *most* people on this board not only agreed with the cause, but agreed with the protests. At the time the VAST MAJORITY of America did not agree with the protests for the *exact reasons given here*: it's inconvenient and I don't like the protestors.

Hell, after the Kent State anti-war protests and subsequent MASSACRE the majority of Americans were on the national guards side for the first weeks (and many still to this day.)

Now, if these were the Proud Boys, armed to the teeth, and blocking access to an abortion clinic I'd judge the merits of the protest (in my opinion) and likely want them beat too.

Note: If there's a law against blocking the road then they should be arrested, not beat on. That's part of civil disobedience - cheering the beating of these folks is not. You're suppsoed to be against the state beating people.

Note:If the Proud Boys did this to protest "Whites are being genocided!!!" then I'd be all in on beating them - I'm not a saint.

And I don't think blocking a random road is going to be a very successful tactic to stop climate change. Or destroying art.

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82. "you: i'm not deflecting you're deflecting lol"
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but hey at least you addressed the actual subject this time.

even if it's to frame it as, hey these were just some peaceful hippies chilling, and you guys want cops to come beat on them because they made them a few minutes late, and justifying it with some fictional ambulance scenario (because let's be honest, when's the last time anyone ever saw an ambulance trying to get through traffic).

despite multiple references to it, not one person in here claimed they wanted the cops "beating" protesters, and no video in here shows people being beaten. one of them is tribal police running over a sign and forcefully removing a girl who's blocking a road on *their* land.
if it's what you see on reddit, go argue with them.

but all that to get to this:

>And I don't think blocking a random road is going to be a very
>successful tactic to stop climate change. Or destroying art.

so we agree. cool.

  

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87. "Nice pivot to police brutality (indeed a better stance)"
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but that was never a major point here voiced by many people. I think a couple of people mentioned it and I think it's specific to the idea/irony of Native Americans getting a chance to kick white people off their land.




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75. "baffling"
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71. "All publicity is good publicity is just dumb and juvenile. "
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Like how does me "making dumb ass posts" do anything to progress the cause?

You say they're not drawing everyone to the cause but the truth isn't they aren't bringing ANYONE to the cause.

Just show me ONE beneficial direct result of these types of stunts that isn't "well people are talking about it".

Attention is not a goal. Attention won't fix climate change to be honest.

In fact, if I went to a museum and threw paint on the Mona Lisa and scream 'free Curtis Darnell Poindexter' and that caused people to look up his case and realize he was wrongly sentenced to life in prison, which lead to a new spotlight on his case and an investigation for irregularities...well that's an instance where drawing attention to an issue alone might have some value...

but who hasn't heard of climate change?

Again, just show me ONE beneficial direct result of these types of stunts that isn't "well people are talking about it".


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81. "I'm not reading all that"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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83. "agreed"
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84. "environment activist glued his feet to the stadium concrete at US Open"
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lmao.. that sounds ridiculous and I doubt that glue is good for the environment

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85. "That’s crazy, did they cut his feet off?"
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>lmao.. that sounds ridiculous and I doubt that glue is good
>for the environment

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86. "yep, used a chainsaw"
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90. "most other countries they would have"
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88. "If the activist had caused Coco to lose, I was gonna buy a Hummer. "
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89. "ended up being a pretty good match...ole gal almost pulled off that "
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second set.

  

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91. "super"
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V12 diesel

  

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92. "how about the fan yelling Nazi talk to Sverer?"
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"he just said the most famous Hitler phrase there is in the world"

video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JboFfJmQAlc


link to climate change protesters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwEbBSFETz4

  

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93. "who here financiall, emotionally, or spiritually supported this man?"
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show yourselves

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