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"Latest school shooter is a woman?"


          

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Police chief tells NBC News a sense of ‘resentment’ may have fueled Nashville shooter’s attack at former school
The shooter, Audrey Hale, 28, of Nashville, may have planned to attack multiple locations, Police Chief John Drake told Lester Holt in an interview.


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March 27, 2023, 3:33 PM EDT / Updated March 28, 2023, 5:16 AM EDT
By David K. Li, Erik Ortiz and Marlene Lenthang
A sense of “resentment” might have played a role in a 28-year-old’s deadly attack on the private Christian school they once attended, Nashville police said Monday.

The shooter, Nashville resident Audrey Hale, had no previous criminal record before opening fire at The Covenant School, killing three children and three adults, authorities said.


“There’s some belief that there was some resentment for having to go to that school,” Metropolitan Nashville Police Chief John Drake told Lester Holt of NBC News.

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Hale had carefully planned the attack with detailed maps and surveillance, police said.

While the shooter might have targeted The Covenant School, Drake stopped short of saying Hale was going after any specific people. There were also indications that Hale had planned to target other locations, Drake told NBC News.

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“She targeted random students in the school ... whoever she came in contact with, she fired rounds,” Drake said, referring to the shooter.

Hale shot open a locked door to gain entrance to the school, officials said.

The former student is alleged to have left behind writings being studied by local and federal investigators.

“We have some writings that we’re going over that pertain to this date, the actual incident,” Drake told reporters hours after the shooting. “We have a map drawn out of how this was all going to take place.”

He said Hale was transgender.

Officials “feel that she identifies as trans, but we’re still in the initial investigation into all of that and if it actually played a role into this incident,” Drake said.

Former school headmaster Bill Campbell said that he remembered Hale as a third-grader in 2005 and fourth-grader in 2006, citing yearbooks he keeps.

“It’s just an absolute tragedy what’s happened by the former student and what she did to the teachers and students,” Campbell said.

Hale was not listed as a student in the annuals in the fifth or sixth grade, so Campbell said he believes Hale transferred after the fourth grade.

“I’ve looked back in my annuals and I do remember her as a former student,” the former headmaster said. “She was just one of our young ladies. ... She was just a typical co-ed. A typical student.”

Campbell could not recall any issues Hale might have had at the time that could have raised red flags.

"I think about this student and our relationship at the time she was there, there was nothing extraordinary and unusual," the former school administrator said. "She was loved and appreciated like all of our students.”

Hale came to the school on Monday with two AR-style weapons and a handgun, Drake said.

Two of those three weapons were legally obtained in the Nashville area, he added.

Hale was confronted by five officers and two of them opened fire, killing the attacker, authorities said.

A car near the scene helped police determine who the shooter was, and investigators were combing through Hale’s home, he said.

Police tactical units were spotted using a grenade-like device to get inside the residence, which is listed as Hale's home.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nashville-christian-school-shooter-appears-former-student-police-chief-rcna76876

"This is a great family, and it's a tragedy," a neighbor said.

There were no answers Monday afternoon at multiple phone numbers listed for Hale’s mother and brother.

Drake praised his officers for taking on the shooter immediately.

“It could have been far, far worse,” he said.

Hale's writings also indicated that The Covenant School wasn't the killer's only target, authorities said.

"It indicates that there was going to be shootings at multiple locations, and the school was one of them," Drake told NBC News.

Officers prevented more deaths thanks to their fast work, Nashville Mayor John Cooper said.

"Let us praise our first responders, 14 minutes, 14 minutes, I believe under fire, running to gunfire," Cooper told reporters.

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end times like a mfka
Mar 28th 2023
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#actually, she’s a man
Mar 28th 2023
2
Trans man or trans woman?
Mar 28th 2023
3
#ChappelleFault
Mar 28th 2023
4
we don't know that for certain
Mar 28th 2023
5
i gotta say, that police work at the scene was outstanding
Mar 29th 2023
6
yeah, total opposite of uvalde
Mar 29th 2023
7
Also the school employee in the beginning
Mar 29th 2023
10
Even with impeccable composure and textbook adherence
Mar 29th 2023
14
      pretty much
Mar 29th 2023
21
      yeah i don't think anyone is saying we can't do better...
Mar 29th 2023
22
I’m sure law enforcement all over learned from Uvalde
Mar 29th 2023
11
      post-Columbine, active shooter protocols have been in place worldwide
Mar 29th 2023
13
           to act like they training hasn't evolved in 25 years is silly...
Mar 29th 2023
17
                not sure if you are disagreeing with him or not
Mar 29th 2023
23
                     nobody is defending Uvalde but every situation is different...
Mar 29th 2023
25
                          Uvalde took 81 minutes.. Nashville 14 minutes
Apr 01st 2023
33
                               Uvalde was obviously unprepared, I’m sure Nashville and other depts…
Apr 02nd 2023
34
                                    Man you keep missing the point.
Apr 02nd 2023
35
                                    again Im not defending Uvalde but its easy to Monday morning quarterback...
Apr 02nd 2023
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                                         at least they could’ve said they tried and failed
Apr 03rd 2023
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                                              RE: at least they could’ve said they tried and failed
Apr 03rd 2023
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                                    LOL what on fucking earth would make you believe that
Apr 03rd 2023
39
the noise around this one is even worse than usual
Mar 29th 2023
8
Shapino eating that shit up
Mar 29th 2023
15
Who cares if the person was a man or woman?
Mar 29th 2023
9
Because it would be the first with a woman as the sole shooter there was...
Mar 29th 2023
12
      That's not true
Mar 29th 2023
16
           you're right
Mar 29th 2023
18
                On my web search for that Youtube shooting
Mar 29th 2023
19
                     the number varies between 4-7 in different articles...
Mar 29th 2023
24
I’m in Nashville on business. Shit happened 5 minutes from the hotel
Mar 29th 2023
20
hope is a a poor gun strategy.
Mar 29th 2023
26
Former FBI agent on Fox News. “Lock the doors”
Mar 29th 2023
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      right...
Mar 29th 2023
30
      maybe we should just ban kids from going to school?
Mar 29th 2023
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           i mean, that's where they are trying to take it.
Mar 29th 2023
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                The child labor factories are open for business and safe!!!!
Apr 03rd 2023
40
Books, Drag queens and CRT didn’t kill anyone
Mar 29th 2023
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The answer SHOULD be "guns", but have you seen the bulletproof...
Mar 29th 2023
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rdhull
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1. "end times like a mfka"
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2. "#actually, she’s a man"
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3. "Trans man or trans woman?"
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4. "#ChappelleFault"
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5. "we don't know that for certain"
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All we know now is that they allegedly used he/him pronouns on their linkedin account. We'll have to wait and see once the police finish their investigations.

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6. "i gotta say, that police work at the scene was outstanding"
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no hesitation, the supervisor or whoever the lead guy was with the long rifle who was urging them to hurry up to get in, was sharp... dont know if he was ex-military but he handled it brilliantly.... if im not mistaken, from the time he stepped out his vehicle til he eliminated the threat, took only about 5 minutes....

respect to these officers..... gives u even more perspective of how much a failure Uvalde was....

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7. "yeah, total opposite of uvalde"
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10. "Also the school employee in the beginning"
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She was calm as hell and direct, even said "listen..." gave the officers directions and mentioned the two missing children. Textbook active shooter training. She was awesome

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14. "Even with impeccable composure and textbook adherence "
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to whatever active shooter training they might have done, you still lose 6 lives.

At some point you have to address the access to firearms and enforce stricter checks, you can't just keep putting a band-aid on the problem by accepting mass shooters as a perpetual reality

  

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21. "pretty much"
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22. "yeah i don't think anyone is saying we can't do better..."
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just pointing out that in this situation, it looks like the training kicked in for most folks.

the fact that we send our kids to schoool knowing there's a chance, however slim, that they might not come home due to gun violence, is so fucking sad and infuriating.

  

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11. "I’m sure law enforcement all over learned from Uvalde"
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13. "post-Columbine, active shooter protocols have been in place worldwide"
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intervening rapidly, going after the active shooter and not waiting for the SWAT team, has been the norm easily over a decade.... Uvalde Sheriff didnt get the memo i guess

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17. "to act like they training hasn't evolved in 25 years is silly..."
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>intervening rapidly, going after the active shooter and not
>waiting for the SWAT team, has been the norm easily over a
>decade.... Uvalde Sheriff didnt get the memo i guess

they learn from every one of these incidents, there have been others were law enforcement could've acted differently to save more lives. Its easy to sit on the sidelines and Monday morning quarterback each situation without never being in that type of situation.

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23. "not sure if you are disagreeing with him or not"
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they failed in Texas..

too scared to engage.

a fucking parent ran in without a gun to get their kid while armed police were standing around doing nothing.

that isn’t in the handbook.

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25. "nobody is defending Uvalde but every situation is different..."
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>they failed in Texas..
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>too scared to engage.
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>a fucking parent ran in without a gun to get their kid while
>armed police were standing around doing nothing.
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>that isn’t in the handbook.

there are guidelines but there isn't a real "handbook", if the Nashville shooter had been in a classroom full of children when the officers engaged would the officers have done the same thing? I honestly don't know

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33. "Uvalde took 81 minutes.. Nashville 14 minutes"
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there is no "difference"

cops in Uvalde were shook af.

and Uvalde wasn't 15 years ago. It was like 6 months back.

they were some bitch ass niggas

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34. "Uvalde was obviously unprepared, I’m sure Nashville and other depts…"
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stepped up their game since Uvalde, if Uvalde hadn’t happed Nashville may not have acted as quickly and decisively

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35. "Man you keep missing the point. "
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LE here and across the country didn't need Uvalde to know to do better. These have been going on for the last 30 years.

Uvalde was uniquely bad.





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36. "again Im not defending Uvalde but its easy to Monday morning quarterback..."
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the shit when you've never been in that situation and each situation is different. Yeah Uvalde fucked up bad but what it they have ran in there guns blazing with the shooter in a classroom full of kids? Nashville had the benefit catching the shooter when she was isolated and away from any other potential victims that could have resulted in an ugly standoff or hostage situation.

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37. "at least they could’ve said they tried and failed"
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vs just standing there holding back parents for 81 minutes

you keep saying you aren’t defending them while defensing them. It was a failure. They fucked up.

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38. "RE: at least they could’ve said they tried and failed"
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>vs just standing there holding back parents for 81 minutes
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>you keep saying you aren’t defending them while defensing
>them. It was a failure. They fucked up.

The second line of my post literally says “Uvalde fucked up bad” lol

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39. "LOL what on fucking earth would make you believe that"
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>I’m sure Nashville and other depts…
>stepped up their game since Uvalde

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8. "the noise around this one is even worse than usual"
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you have your standard groundhog day gun control sparring , but some of these people are downright giddy that this was a trans person

we're at this point where the actual horrific event is an aside, or more just a means for people get their takes off, or a way to feel like they're right. it's really depressing.

  

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15. "Shapino eating that shit up"
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But he's cakes off culture war, so it's hard to get the temperature of the right just off of his take

There is a large contingent of 2A folks that are sticking to the script that even their political opponents should not lose their access to weapons though

  

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9. "Who cares if the person was a man or woman?"
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Guns can be used to kill people by ANYONE.

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12. "Because it would be the first with a woman as the sole shooter there was..."
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that husband and wife team in San Bernardino. I guess in this case they’re saying the woman identified as a man so I’m not sure how it would be classified. If they had been taken alive I wonder what jail they would’ve went to

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16. "That's not true"
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Years ago, there was a shooting at an office building for Youtube. A Youtuber that happened to be a woman was the mass shooter in that incident.

Here's a Wikipedia link with more info on the incident: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YouTube_headquarters_shooting

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18. "you're right"
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19. "On my web search for that Youtube shooting"
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I saw a link to an article from NY Post stating the woman from Nashville shooting is the fifth non-male mass shooter in US History. I would post up the link, but I think the NY Post is beyond trash, so I just can't do it.

Five in the entire history of the US is pretty wild, especially when you consider how commonplace mass shootings unfortunately are in the last 10 or so years.

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24. "the number varies between 4-7 in different articles..."
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/03/27/female-mass-shooters-nashville-rare/11550575002/

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/national-international/few-mass-shootings-carried-out-by-women-data-shows/3002301/

https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/events/eventdetails.cfm?Event_ID=35635

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20. "I’m in Nashville on business. Shit happened 5 minutes from the hotel"
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crazy ass times..

I watched a parent try to contact her kids when it was first reported..

shit is wild.

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tariqhu
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26. "hope is a a poor gun strategy."
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let's make laws to protect society from black history, books, women's rights, anything gay, and overall wokeness.

let's also make laws to let everybody get a gun in the easiest way possible.

hope we don't die today at work.

hope we don't get killed at the store.

hope our kids don't die today at school.

hope there's no bad guy with a gun.

hope there's a good guy with a gun.

fuck yeah, 'mericah!







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27. "Former FBI agent on Fox News. “Lock the doors”"
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fuck the facts that she shot the door open.

Just close the doors.

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30. "right..."
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she had an AR-15, a sub-machine gun and Smith and Wesson handgun...she was getting in...and she knew the school layout.

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31. "maybe we should just ban kids from going to school?"
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makes about as much sense as everything thing else they're doing.

'mericah isn't serious about trying to actually stop these shootings since the rights of guns is more important than lives.

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32. "i mean, that's where they are trying to take it. "
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40. "The child labor factories are open for business and safe!!!!"
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28. "Books, Drag queens and CRT didn’t kill anyone"
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29. "The answer SHOULD be "guns", but have you seen the bulletproof..."
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classroom?

At least it's something.

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRvvV5tJ/

  

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