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"US role in Nordstream Pipeline"


          


This is what most people in the anti-war movement have suspected from the beginning....that the US was directly involved in taking out the Nord Pipeline explosion....but of course the press immediately speculated that it was Russia....even though they had nothing to gain from it, while the US had lots to gain. Biden and many US officials were very vocal and open about their opposition to this project and even cryptically spoke about being able to shut it down.

https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream

this was written by Seymour Hersh, a pulitzer-prized journalist who exposed atrocities by US soldiers in Vietnam, Kissinger's bombings of Cambodia, and the torture in Abu-Ghraib, but since no mainstream media outlet wants to go near a counter-narrative, he published this report on substack....so in an effort to discredit him, the press is referring to him as a 'blogger'

so based on track records of a journalist who has exposed numerous war crimes VS a government and agency that regularly conducts coups, espionage and misinformation to push their own agenda.....I'm gonna put more trust in the former.

but propaganda runs deep in this country....especially when it comes to war...exposing war crimes is treated more harsh and swiftly than the actual war crimes and criminals.





  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Appeal to authority falacy detected
Feb 09th 2023
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Laughable and completely false
Feb 10th 2023
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why is putin posting on okayplayer?
Feb 10th 2023
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DISCLAIMER: I'm Anti-WAR not Pro-Putin
Feb 10th 2023
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      okay, Putin
Feb 10th 2023
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           Deflection is easier than reflection
Feb 10th 2023
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                damn, putin
Feb 10th 2023
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Big reaction vibes in this post
Feb 10th 2023
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спасибо товарищ
Feb 10th 2023
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Seymour Hersh on Democracy Now!
Feb 15th 2023
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it's not like you post here a lot
Feb 15th 2023
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      engage in discussion / debate
Feb 15th 2023
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okp is a psy op on politics
Feb 16th 2023
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RE: okp is a psy op on politics
Feb 16th 2023
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That's not true nobody is sideling anyone pushing against the orthodoxy
Feb 16th 2023
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      strong disagree
Feb 16th 2023
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           okp got old and conservative
Feb 25th 2023
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^^^
Mar 07th 2023
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Haven’t read this yet, but his deep dive on the Bin Laden raid is wild...
Feb 16th 2023
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Putin & Zelensky: Sinners and saints who fit our historic narrative (swi...
Feb 25th 2023
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^^Both sides-ism at it's fucking worst
Feb 25th 2023
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RE: ^^Both sides-ism at it's fucking worst
Feb 27th 2023
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This article is ridiculous
Mar 03rd 2023
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      ^^^
Mar 07th 2023
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i keep seeing nordstroms
Mar 02nd 2023
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LOL
Mar 03rd 2023
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Lol
Mar 05th 2023
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while OkayPlayer has essentially become dncPlayer
Mar 05th 2023
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Pro Ukrainian group says US intell
Mar 07th 2023
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good ol' US intelligence
Mar 07th 2023
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      nyt article
Mar 07th 2023
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this is a great cover
Mar 07th 2023
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German media coverage
Mar 07th 2023
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the Danes have proof of a Russian submarine at blast site
Apr 27th 2023
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Russia now blaming US for drone attack on Kremlin...
May 04th 2023
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We wouldn't use some Wal Mart drone lol
May 04th 2023
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Hmmmmmmm
Jun 06th 2023
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^^^^
Jun 06th 2023
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Wait, you do see this article completely contradicts the original articl...
Jun 06th 2023
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Happy 1 year anniversary to the attack
Sep 26th 2023
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lol i didn't realize Briahna works for the Hill now
Sep 26th 2023
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yeah...nice addition to the show
Sep 26th 2023
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Who benefits, mate?
Sep 26th 2023
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Lmao
Sep 27th 2023
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real lols
Sep 27th 2023
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free Russia??
Sep 27th 2023
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Russia Russia Russia
Sep 27th 2023
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      Man, you are SM0RT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sep 27th 2023
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           nah, that aint it
Sep 27th 2023
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                those talking points are mainstream
Sep 27th 2023
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Well that does it. I’m team Vladimir now
Sep 27th 2023
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      progozhin had it coming, you gotta hear both sides!
Sep 27th 2023
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      War Brain leads to cognitive decline
Sep 27th 2023
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This post is so weird
Sep 27th 2023
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when you start spouting Putin propaganda
Sep 27th 2023
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These folks got MSNBC dick in their ears
Sep 28th 2023
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which telegram channels do you get your updates from?
Sep 28th 2023
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The Ukraine thread
Sep 28th 2023
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“Ukrainian military officer coordinated Nord Stream pipeline attack”...
Nov 11th 2023
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awwwwwwwww Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
Nov 15th 2023
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      WTF are you fucking blathering about??
Nov 15th 2023
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handle
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1. "Appeal to authority falacy detected"
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Anonymously sourced and published in online blog needs a little more scrutiny than all that you just typed.

>so based on track records of a journalist who has exposed numerous war crimes VS a government and agency that regularly conducts coups, espionage and misinformation to push their own agenda.....I'm gonna put more trust in the former.

Could be that you shouldn't trust EITHER - but hey, you seem to need a hobby.

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Amritsar
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2. "Laughable and completely false "
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Carry on being a useful idiot for the kremlin.

There has never been ashortage of those in the west

  

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3. "why is putin posting on okayplayer?"
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4. "DISCLAIMER: I'm Anti-WAR not Pro-Putin"
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In these days, questioning the motives behind this war is seen as being pro-Putin...speaking out against the Vietnam war back in the day meant you were a communist too.

It's a great tactic to use to maintain support for the war while discouraging discourse and using fear tactics.

how is challenging the US military narrative about a proxy war means that I'm Putin or supporting the Kremlin?

and what's the alternative? to accept all narratives coming from the largest imperialist force in the world at all times? ignore it and let the war machine do it's thing?

I'm anti-war & anti-imperialism.
and if it's unclear, Fuck Putin.

but FUCK this narrative we're being sold and have been sold...US has lied itself into nearly every war...do folks really think this time is different? Do you really think it's about standing with the people of Ukraine?

Do folks think the writer who exposed proven war crimes in Vietnam, Cambodia, Afghanistan, suddenly is going to invent a story for his own personal gain? Do folks think that the US military and CIA are the more trustworthy sources in this situation?









  

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5. "okay, Putin"
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thanks for clearing that up.

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7. "Deflection is easier than reflection"
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Fri Feb-10-23 04:10 PM by sevencents

          

If that works for you, I’m not here to shatter your simplistic view of good vs evil

Critical thought and discussion isn’t for everyone.

  

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8. "damn, putin"
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hit dog much?

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6. "Big reaction vibes in this post "
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A lot of you players ain't okay.

We would have been better off with an okaycivics board instead of an okayactivist board

  

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9. "спасибо товарищ"
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Мне нравится сбивать гражданские самолеты и ездить верхом без рубашки.

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10. "Seymour Hersh on Democracy Now!"
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https://youtu.be/d4BuMaGlKp0

I know it's easy to call out any counter-narrative as coming from Putin/Kremlin....but let me ask folks this....

what claims being made seems impossible?
Do you think the US has ever lied before to push their own agenda?
Why would Russia sabotage their own pipeline and help US make financial gains?
are Amy Goodman and Juan González also Russian operatives too?



here's some other reporting on the subject:

https://jacobin.com/2023/02/seymour-hersh-interview-nord-stream-pipeline

https://www.mintpressnews.com/media-ignore-seymour-hersh-bombshell-report-of-us-destroying-nord-stream-ii/283677/









  

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11. "it's not like you post here a lot"
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why are you coming back days later to push some random angle that doesn't align with this board's usual commentary at all?


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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12. "engage in discussion / debate"
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I've been on these boards since the release drop of 'Things Fall Apart' and always appreciated how they provided an outlet for a variety of topics and discussions...I don't think sharing an article that relates to an on-going and escalating war between NATO & Russia is 'random'

was thinking there might be some other anti-war voices who may have things to add as well, or at least people who disagreed providing their own opinions or articles stating why they thought these claims are false.

If this isn't the proper forum for expressing anti-war and police abolition views with the goals of having honest discussions and debate...my bad. I'll dip.

These boards used to have an OkayActivist page....why is that just limited to archives?







  

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13. "okp is a psy op on politics"
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the smallest overton window.

anyone reading these forums to get seriously informed about politics, stop.

the policing of what can be talked about is off the charts.

no one knows or no one is saying who blew the pipeline. a bunch of european countries launched investigations and theyre not saying anything. if theyd found ties to russia, you'd think nato countries would be doing a pr celebration dance at this point. so the US or a country on "our side" is maybe most likely. at least a distinct possibility.

hersh's story shouldn't be dismissed out of hand--it's possible that the US...blew the pipe...

but some holes in Hersh's story are pointed out here: https://oalexanderdk.substack.com/p/blowing-holes-in-seymour-hershs-pipe


  

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15. "RE: okp is a psy op on politics"
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It does seem like it. And the saddest part is that the hip hop that most of the users here grew up on was so revolutionary. You had KRS-ONE saying "the truth can always be questioned", Chuck D saying "fight the power". Voices like Boots, Paris, Ice T, Ice Cube questioning the system at every turn. It's sad that now anyone pushing against the orthodoxy is sidelined, ridiculed and compartmentalized.

  

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16. "That's not true nobody is sideling anyone pushing against the orthodoxy"
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A handful of people came into the thread and posted a knee jerk reaction to the Hersh article/link. Trying to turn this into "psy ops" or something similar is overdoing it.

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17. "strong disagree"
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>RE: That's not true nobody is sideling anyone pushing against the orthodoxy


okp is a strange silo. mind viruses running amok. there are exceptions. but best use of political threads here may be to see what forms of reactive groupthink are funneling into this world. some of the most reviled posters make for the best reading because they tend to not haven completely lost the ability to think for themselves. but they are constantly shouted down, accused of this,that and the other on the basis of usually very little. people box people into the outgroup like lightning. huge chilling effect. the board isn't ONLY dead b/c of twitter, etc. a team of high volume posters reinforces the narrow "right way of thinking" on most any topic.

some posters very much seem like plants. im not sure what id put the chances on that. probably they are just full on kool aid guzzling. even the conditioning of their conditioning's been conditioned kind of thing.

it's interesting to sometimes read and think over. but for me, not worth the time to engage.

  

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19. "okp got old and conservative"
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someone used to joke hairlines of okp’s

a clear sign they don’t go to barbershops and have those good conspiracy debates




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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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28. "^^^"
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>if theyd found ties to russia, you'd
>think nato countries would be doing a pr celebration dance at
>this point. so the US or a country on "our side" is maybe most
>likely. at least a distinct possibility.

  

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14. "Haven’t read this yet, but his deep dive on the Bin Laden raid is wild..."
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The story is so packed with details it comes off really credible. You can’t deny Hersh’s chops. The problem with the story, and it sounds like the problem with the pipeline story too, is that he cites so many unnamed sources.

  

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18. "Putin & Zelensky: Sinners and saints who fit our historic narrative (swi..."
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https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2023/02/21/we-made-putin-our-hitler-zelensky-our-churchill-and-the-media-fell-in-line/

Putin & Zelensky: Sinners and saints who fit our historic narrative

Think about why the West wants to invoke WWII and the Cold War here, and then ask whether it’s been productive.

FEBRUARY 21, 2023
Written by Stephen Kinzer

This is part of our weeklong series marking the one-year anniversary of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, February 24, 2022. See all of the stories here.

While war rages in Ukraine, all is blissfully peaceful on the home front. Americans have embraced the official narrative. No western movie ever drew the good-versus-evil line so clearly or crudely. The White House, Congress, and the press insist that Ukraine is the innocent victim of unprovoked aggression, that Russian forces will threaten all of Europe if they are not stopped, and that the United States must stand with Ukraine “for as long as it takes” to assure victory.

Dissenting from this consensus is all but impossible. Even in the run-up to our 2003 invasion of Iraq, a few lonely voices cried out for restraint. Since we plunged into the Ukraine War, such voices are even harder to find.

Today it is considered heretical, if not treasonous, to suggest that all parties to the Ukraine conflict bear some blame, to argue that the United States should not pour sophisticated weapons into an active war zone, or to question whether we have any vital interest in the outcome of this conflict. A strictly enforced intellectual no-fly zone has all but suffocated rational debate about Ukraine.

In the halls of political power in Washington, Ukraine has become an almost mystic idea. It’s less a geographic place than a cosmic plane where a decisive battle for the future of humanity is unfolding. The war is seen as a glorious chance for the United States to bloody Russia — and to show that although the balance of world power may be shifting, we still rule.

America’s explosion of passionate love for President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine was the triumph of an irresistible media campaign. He was presented as freedom’s new global hero. Overnight, his image popped up in shop windows and on internet sites.

In the opposing corner is another caricature, President Vladimir Putin of Russia, portrayed as epitomizing all vile and degenerate qualities. He fulfills our need to focus hatred not onto a country or a movement or an idea — that’s too diffuse — but onto an individual. For years, we reveled in our moral superiority over colorful nemeses like Castro, Khadafi, and Saddam Hussein. Putin fits perfectly into this constellation. Having such a cartoonishly wicked enemy is almost as reassuring as having the saintly Zelensky as an ally.

Soon after war broke out last year, Congress voted to appropriate $40 billion in aid to Ukraine. What was astonishing was not just the size of this package but the fact that every single Democrat voted for it. Only 11 senators and 57 House members, all Republicans, were opposed. The press applauded.

No country that is at war, directly or by proxy, encourages debate over whether the war is a good idea. The United States is no exception. Abraham Lincoln and Woodrow Wilson jailed critics of the wars they waged. Some opponents of the Vietnam War were prosecuted. The ghostly absence of debate over our involvement with Ukraine marks the latest victory of official narrative-shaping.

The Cold War was arguably the most powerfully developed narrative in modern history. For years, Americans were told to believe, and did believe, that they were mortally threatened by an enemy that could attack at any moment, destroying the United States and ending all hope for meaningful life on Earth. That enemy sat in Moscow.

By then, Americans were already accustomed to seeing Russia as an incarnation of “the other,” the force of barbarism that always threatens civilization. As far back as 1873, an American cartoonist depicted Russia as a hairy monster vying with a handsome Uncle Sam for control of the world. That archetype resonates across generations. Like most populations, Americans are easily mobilized to hate whatever country we are told to hate. If that country is Russia, we have generations of psychic preparation.

Politicians in Washington may be forgiven for jumping onto the Ukraine warpath. They presume that voters, who have more pressing concerns, will not punish them — and that arms makers will richly reward them. Less pardonable is the attitude of the press. Rather than play its putative role by posing uncomfortable questions, it has largely become chief cheerleader for the official Ukraine narrative.

Almost all battlefront reporting is from “our” side. We read an endless flood of stories about Russian atrocities and other outrages. Many are no doubt accurate, but the imbalance in reporting leads us to presume that the Ukrainian army commits no war crimes. A report by Amnesty International about Ukrainians’ use of human shields in battle was met with outrage and condemnation. The message is clear: justice is on one side, so reporting from the field must reflect that.

Many who write about this conflict seem to believe, as their predecessors did during the Cold War, that the U.S. government is a team and that the press has its role in assuring victory for our team. This view is death for journalism. The press should not be on anybody’s team. Our job is to challenge official narratives, not mindlessly amplify them. That is the difference between journalism and public relations.

For those of us who were war correspondents in an era when conflicts were reported from various perspectives, the one-sidedness of reporting about Ukraine is most striking. I covered Sandinistas and Contras, Serbs and Croats, Turks and Kurds. Those experiences taught me that in conflict, no one side has a monopoly on virtue. Today Americans are being told the opposite. We are fed a childlike narrative in which all virtue is on one side and all evil on the other.

The unwillingness of most war correspondents to cover the Ukraine War from both sides is reflected on editorial and op-ed pages. No major newspaper appears to pose fundamental questions about this war.

Is Putin justified in not wanting enemy bases on his border? Should we contribute to the death of thousands in order to make a political point? Did we help provoke the war? How much of Ukraine’s army is pro-Nazi? Why does it matter to the United States where the border of Donbas is drawn? Should we consider Ukraine’s reputation as one of the world’s most corrupt countries before sending it huge amounts of aid? Is this conflict really a titanic showdown between democracy and autocracy, or just another European brushfire?

Even as the United States sinks more deeply into the Ukraine War, these questions are deemed impolite to ask. The stifling consensus that binds our political parties and media prevents thoughtful debate. One of the worst results of the Ukraine War is already clear. It has led to a new closing of the American mind.

  

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20. "^^Both sides-ism at it's fucking worst"
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>Is Putin justified in not wanting enemy bases on his border? Should we contribute to the death of thousands in order to make a political point? Did we help provoke the war? How much of Ukraine’s army is pro-Nazi? Why does it matter to the United States where the border of Donbas is drawn? Should we consider Ukraine’s reputation as one of the world’s most corrupt countries before sending it huge amounts of aid? Is this conflict really a titanic showdown between democracy and autocracy, or just another European brushfire?

>Even as the United States sinks more deeply into the Ukraine War, these questions are deemed impolite to ask. The stifling consensus that binds our political parties and media prevents thoughtful debate. One of the worst results of the Ukraine War is already clear. It has led to a new closing of the American mind.

His point is: See it from Putin's point of view and give him the benefit.

The biggest whopper: >How much of Ukraine’s army is pro-Nazi?
Straight Tucker Carlson shit.

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21. "RE: ^^Both sides-ism at it's fucking worst"
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What I don't understand about an opinion like yours is how you can be so sure that you know the whole truth about what is happening in Ukraine?

  

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23. "This article is ridiculous "
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Putin is evil. He’s not a cartoon, he’s a real person and he is evil. Did the US provoke this war? Nope, that’s a stupid question. Putin decided to invade a neighboring country. The US and many and other countries spoke out against it. Ukraine didn’t want the war, the US didn’t want the war. Putin did. The United States does not have a squeaky clean history, that doesn’t somehow turn the into a good article. IF Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world, it is likely due to its proximity to Russia and Russian influence. The US isn’t unique in being anti Putin. The west isn’t unique in being anti Putin. It’s just that he’s pretty obviously a bad guy. Not a cartoon, a real bad guy.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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31. "^^^"
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yea, article is terrible

  

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22. "i keep seeing nordstroms"
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24. "LOL"
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26. "Lol"
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25. "while OkayPlayer has essentially become dncPlayer"
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this one isn't hard.


You can't fucking invade a neighboring country cuz feels.


Yeah the US has done some horrible shit- no question.


But...Putin is a bad dude. And you can't just invade countries.


Want to point out how its wrong when the US does it? Fine...but that doesn't mean its okay when Putin does it.


Do I wish Dems and their cheerleaders could find this amount of money and support for poor people, working people, mass shootings, healthcare, COVID vaccines that actually stop transmission, etc...? Do I wish these fucking dweebs didn't think being a progressive/liberal wasn't just putting a Ukraine flag in their profile?

Of fucking course.


But when the left tries to downplay Russia/Putin we lose people cuz that shit is...wrong. Obviously so. Its not hard.


Call out the hypocrisy...call out how there is always money for war but somehow not much else...etc. Go for it.

But...nah. I've seen too many leftists trying to hedge. This ain't the play.


  

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27. "Pro Ukrainian group says US intell"
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Intelligence Suggests Pro-Ukrainian Group Sabotaged Pipelines, U.S. Officials Say

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/07/us/politics/nord-stream-pipeline-sabotage-ukraine.html

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29. "good ol' US intelligence"
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I wonder if the same folks who debunked Hersh's reporting because it was unnamed sources, will hold the same scrutiny to this report when it's unnamed 'US intelligence'

US officials has never lied to justify war/coups/invasions right?




  

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30. "nyt article "
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is very light on specifics. so who did it, still an open q. but this the first nod by US that it was not russia.

  

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32. "this is a great cover"
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heard it last night first time in long time
https://youtu.be/fjaZTJkwLRs

reminded me of seeing the roots play a long cover of "masters of war"

all for the pacifism tip, but people of ukraine overwhelmingly don't want ukraine to be russia. putin sent his army in blasting. defending ukraine is the right thing to do. how..to what extent..where is this all going? hard questions. really do not like the temp heating up in various parts of the world. a slow burn into wwiii...gotta avoid that. modern war on an intl scale would intro humanity to a new dimension of hell

  

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33. "German media coverage"
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https://youtu.be/aDqr8fLZYsI

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34. "the Danes have proof of a Russian submarine at blast site"
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Maybe a retraction is due? Maybe we shouldn't place faith in Russian propaganda?? 🤔

https://twitter.com/JKaarsbo/status/1651650991341576200?t=hN7CedAvWh7qEh0JOij39g&s=19

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35. "Russia now blaming US for drone attack on Kremlin..."
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https://youtu.be/BpL9XsbKzNY

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36. "We wouldn't use some Wal Mart drone lol"
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the whole building would be rubble if it were us

  

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37. "Hmmmmmmm"
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NYT recently admitted that Ukraine army is rife with Nazi symbols
Now Washington Post reporting on known intelligence of Ukraine planning to blow up nord pipeline.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/06/06/nord-stream-pipeline-explosion-ukraine-russia/

Am I still a Putin bot for questioning the Military Industrial complex agenda?

  

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38. "^^^^"
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>NYT recently admitted that Ukraine army is rife with Nazi
>symbols

What legal threshold is "reife?" Where's the article? Does that mean Ukraine? Are you saying NYT 'admitted' Ukraine is run by Nazis? Show you math, please.

>Now Washington Post reporting on known intelligence of Ukraine
>planning to blow up nord pipeline.
>
>https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/06/06/nord-stream-pipeline-explosion-ukraine-russia/

Your Seymore Hersch article headline is "How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline."

Swipe:
"Biden’s decision to sabotage the pipelines came after more than nine months of highly secret back and forth debate inside Washington’s national security community about how to best achieve that goal. For much of that time, the issue was not whether to do the mission, but how to get it done with no overt clue as to who was responsible."

-BUT-

The Washington Post article is titled: "U.S. had intelligence of detailed Ukrainian plan to attack Nord Stream pipeline."

Swipe "Three months before saboteurs bombed the Nord Stream natural gas pipeline, the Biden administration learned from a close ally that the Ukrainian military had planned a covert attack on the undersea network, using a small team of divers who reported directly to the commander in chief of the Ukrainian armed forces."

So also show your math on how those square, because the WaPo article does not support the Seymore Hersch article.

An please remember - we can read AND we have memories.

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39. "Wait, you do see this article completely contradicts the original articl..."
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you shared right?



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40. "Happy 1 year anniversary to the attack"
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https://youtu.be/kVaP-6ptsSg?si=41NlLAULi3yhV5md

the pipeline that Ukraine was opposed to
that Biden made vague statements like "we'll bring it down" shortly before the explosion.
and which has directly benefited the US and western oil biz
western powers voted against an UN independent inquiry

and here we are, one year later media still asking.....gee, we don't know who did it? we have no idea 🤷‍♂️








  

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41. "lol i didn't realize Briahna works for the Hill now"
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that's funny.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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42. "yeah...nice addition to the show"
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much better representation of the left than Krystal Ball.

  

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43. "Who benefits, mate?"
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___________________

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44. "Lmao"
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46. "real lols"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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45. "free Russia??"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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50. "Russia Russia Russia"
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Fuck Putin....but the Red Scare 2.0 has broken people's brains

Canadian Parliament gave a standing ovation to a SS Nazi solider the other day....cause he 'fought the Russians during WW2'

now if hearing that statement would make someone stand to their feet to applaud that, they either need to look at their values or ability to understand history/context....cause who were the Russians fighting in WW2????

Western media has created a Pavlov effect where people are just reacting without a trace of critical thought. It's actually quite possible to be critical to the most imperialistic military force in the world....without loving Putin.







  

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51. "Man, you are SM0RT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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Obviously Putin invading Ukraine is NOT imperialistic.

And CANADA loves NAZIS!!!!!!!!! LOVES THEM!!

So by EVERY SINGLE POST YOU'VE MADE I take this:
If you don't like Putin then you LOVE Nazis.

Very SM0RT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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52. "nah, that aint it "
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never claimed to be smart, but I do take context into account
so when it comes to the situation in Ukraine, I also look at:


*NATO expanding it's borders around Russia since the fall of the Berlin Wall, despite going against a brokered agreement and hundreds of foreign policy experts warning on the consequences
* The 2014 US-backed Coup in Ukraine
* The War in Donbas
* The Panama Papers and how Ukraine, Zellensky included had the most Govt cabinent members mentioned than any other country
*How US has given more money to Ukraine since this conflict started than we did to Afghanistan
* US & Ukraine were 2 out of 4 countries voting 'no' on a UN Resolution condemning the glorification of nazis and neo-nazis


I'm not claiming to be smart, just not parroting MSM talking points.









  

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54. "those talking points are mainstream"
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in Russia

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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47. "Well that does it. I’m team Vladimir now"
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What does his dick taste like btw?

  

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48. "progozhin had it coming, you gotta hear both sides!"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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49. "War Brain leads to cognitive decline"
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it's possible to question the US military industrial complex and decades of imperialism....without dick riding Putin


boot licking for the pentagon and proffesional managerial class aint good for the brain

Fuck Putin
Fuck NATO
Fuck War



  

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53. "This post is so weird"
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You motherfuckers are so weird.
It's like 9/12 in here, a person can't be against war without being on "the other side."

When did ya'll become this bunch of "you're either with us or with the terrorists" brand of assholes?

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55. "when you start spouting Putin propaganda"
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there's the line, are you confused?

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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56. "These folks got MSNBC dick in their ears"
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It's pointles talking politics with folks who don't follow politics, but follow political entertainment.

  

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58. "which telegram channels do you get your updates from?"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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57. "The Ukraine thread"
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Some turned into Flagee and Ribbon for Dems

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59. "“Ukrainian military officer coordinated Nord Stream pipeline attack”..."
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- Washington Post headline.

……………….,,
http://gravalicious.tumblr.com/archive

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60. "awwwwwwwww Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit"
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link:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/11/nordstream-bombing-ukraine-chervinsky/


there were a lot of "Ok Putin" comments as well as a moderator questioning why I'd post something so 'random'....maybe cause we were sending trillions of dollars for a proxy war?


hope this can serve as an example how US Propaganda is strong, especially when it comes to war...hopefully folks can read more before being dismissive, or at least engage in some dialogue.

Thankfully more people are scrutinizing US/Israel's narrative with the genocide taking place in Gaza.


peace

  

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61. "WTF are you fucking blathering about??"
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That article says UKRAINE sabotaged it - and your fucking title was "US role in Nordstream Pipeline" and your first fucking sentence was:

"This is what most people in the anti-war movement have suspected from the beginning....that the US was directly involved in taking out the Nord Pipeline explosion...."


You've literally taken an article directly contradicting your (Putin propaganda premise) and are using it to say "See y'all, I was right!!"

WTF are you fucking blathering about??




>link:
>https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/11/nordstream-bombing-ukraine-chervinsky/
>
>
>there were a lot of "Ok Putin" comments as well as a moderator
>questioning why I'd post something so 'random'....maybe cause
>we were sending trillions of dollars for a proxy war?
>
>
>hope this can serve as an example how US Propaganda is strong,
> especially when it comes to war...hopefully folks can read
>more before being dismissive, or at least engage in some
>dialogue.
>
>Thankfully more people are scrutinizing US/Israel's narrative
>with the genocide taking place in Gaza.
>
>
>peace

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