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shygurl
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"Moore v. Harper, a potentially democracy ending SC case"
Wed Dec-07-22 10:37 AM by shygurl

          

The Supreme Court is hearing arguments for Moore v Harper today, a North Carolina case where the NC state legislation is basically asking the SC to give legislators the power to ignore state constitutions and be the *only* entity to make rules and enforce federal elections. In no hyperbolic terms this could give unprecedented power to state legislatures and enable them to modify or even ignore elections at their will. If the SC votes to overturn the ruling set by the NC Supreme Court, democracy as we know it will be over and fascists will now control our government.

I really can't over emphasize how important this case is and how close we are to authoritarian rule with a bad ruling from the Court. Legitimately feeling sick to my stomach over it, especially given the make up of our SC. The hearing started at 10, and imo the best way to follow along is to follow Democracy Docket's Twitter feed, which is the incomparable Marc Elias' group.

More background info here because I ain't a lawyer lol:
https://www.aclu.org/news/voting-rights/explaining-moore-v-harper-the-supreme-court-case-that-could-upend-democracy

https://youtu.be/NUdZIqAHvlM

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no offense, but the time for worrying was back in 2016. We didn't
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how terribly pessimistic.
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Who said anything about giving up?
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Stop care-shaming.
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sticking "shaming" on the end of a word doesn't make it a thing
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      communication is a thing, tho
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           nope. do better. did y'all receive that message?
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can we go back in time to worry properly?
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      Why worry about it now would be my answer.
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Thanks for the link
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Twitter is such a cesspool, but threads like this are a godsend imo
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i wish national/corporate media gave a shit about democracy
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Yea it's super hard for the average person to independently get into it
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a lot of voters (including a surprising amount of repubs) rejected
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      right. it's a huge failure on their part.
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It's covered but of course given no where near the amount needed
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RE: Moore v. Harper, a potentially democracy ending SC case
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for folks on a vpn that blocks twitter, link:
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      thank you both for the links 😊
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nonaime
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1. "no offense, but the time for worrying was back in 2016. We didn't"
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so now we're in the consequences and repercussions phase.

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shygurl
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Wed Dec-07-22 10:59 AM

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2. "how terribly pessimistic."
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We should just give up because shit didn't go the way we wanted it initially?

Mighty, mighty white of you.

The struggle always moves forward and it's worth being invested in and working towards something better.

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nonaime
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8. "Who said anything about giving up?"
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>The struggle always moves forward and it's worth being
>invested in and working towards something better.

Some struggles are from our own actions. Or lack thereof.

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3. "Stop care-shaming."
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nonaime
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7. "sticking "shaming" on the end of a word doesn't make it a thing"
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Damali
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Wed Dec-07-22 12:31 PM

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11. "communication is a thing, tho"
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and you received the message, didn't you? you know exactly what that meant, don't you?

good.

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nonaime
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12. "nope. do better. did y'all receive that message? "
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and stop crying about something that could've been avoided.

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Damali
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10. "can we go back in time to worry properly?"
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or do we live in the present?

your comment is for what purpose, exactly cuz it feels really finger waggy, which is literally not useful for anything.

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nonaime
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13. "Why worry about it now would be my answer."
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>or do we live in the present?

And what do you propose to fix the problem now? The thing that we should've done back in 2016? But you're right...let's not remember that we caused this mess.

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>your comment is for what purpose, exactly cuz it feels really
>finger waggy, which is literally not useful for anything.

Just about as useful as worrying about an event that we don't have any control over at the present (and if saying that this is something we could've avoided is finger waggy...tough...but it is the truth).

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4. "Thanks for the link"
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I'm gonna check this out.

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shygurl
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14. "Twitter is such a cesspool, but threads like this are a godsend imo"
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They have done an excellent job breaking down legal jargon and precedents into plain speak for laypersons, and giving context to historical cases.

It's part of why even though I hate Elon Musk with all my heart I'm still on Twitter because the resources about things I know little about are invaluable. I want to go elsewhere eventually, but none of the current replacements are equivalent to the sheer depth and breadth that Twitter provides.

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Reeq
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5. "i wish national/corporate media gave a shit about democracy"
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and covered stories like this.

  

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shygurl
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15. "Yea it's super hard for the average person to independently get into it"
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I try to stay on top of happenings like this and it's extremely difficult, even being a person who pays for and constantly reads the news.

So many flaws in our democracy lead directly back to the media's inability to move past click bait and actually do their job to inform and educate the populace.

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Reeq
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17. "a lot of voters (including a surprising amount of repubs) rejected"
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anti-democracy election-denying republican candidates when the media covered them as such.

now imagine if the media covered the republican party and their voter suppression, gerrymandering, supreme court assault on the voting rights act, etc.

  

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18. "right. it's a huge failure on their part."
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but god forbid this passes, and shit gets ugly?

it'll be ratings gold and they'll be all over it.

  

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19. "It's covered but of course given no where near the amount needed"
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Wed Dec-07-22 02:56 PM by rawsouthpaw

  

          

a google news search of a given issue often shows what little attention a story gets...

https://news.google.com/search?for=supreme+court+elections+state+legislature&hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

  

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6. "RE: Moore v. Harper, a potentially democracy ending SC case"
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https://twitter.com/DemocracyDocket

  

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9. "for folks on a vpn that blocks twitter, link:"
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https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/live-updates-u-s-supreme-court-hears-moore-v-harper/

  

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16. "thank you both for the links 😊"
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I honestly was just too lazy to actually post the links lol. I'm a Luddite and find it aggravating to write long messages on my phone.

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