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bwood
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"Black Panther: Wakanda Forever"


  

          

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlOB3UALvrQ

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Subject Author Message Date ID
thats a good ass trailer
Jul 23rd 2022
1
i cried
Jul 23rd 2022
2
Marvel went all out.
Jul 23rd 2022
3
They can take all my money right now
Jul 24th 2022
4
RE: first movie I'm going to see in a theater since 2018
Jul 24th 2022
9
namor.
Jul 24th 2022
5
RE: namor.
Jul 25th 2022
10
      that shot of him being born with the wings on his ankles...
Jul 25th 2022
11
           RE: that shot of him being born with the wings on his ankles...
Jul 25th 2022
23
🖤✊🏽💜
Jul 24th 2022
6
Jah bless Ryan Coogler
Jul 24th 2022
7
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!
Jul 24th 2022
8
Social media and YouTube bout to be a mine field for the next few months...
Jul 25th 2022
12
and just think.....
Jul 25th 2022
13
Word. If it ain't safe for him....
Jul 26th 2022
29
From the beginning I've been on team RECAST
Jul 25th 2022
14
RE: ^^^ i'm in this line
Jul 25th 2022
18
i got no desire at all to see it.
Aug 01st 2022
54
legit goosebumps
Jul 25th 2022
15
Those fuckboys at Midnight's Edge apparently got a problem with the trai...
Jul 25th 2022
16
Those guys are idiots...
Jul 25th 2022
17
This isn't a full trailer though. It's a teaser. We shouldn't be
Jul 25th 2022
19
its a valid question
Jul 25th 2022
26
      What part of that is a valid question???
Jul 26th 2022
27
           sad u even had to explain this
Jul 26th 2022
28
           La di da di da
Jul 26th 2022
31
           Not familiar with the song so the lyrics seemed odd tbh. i got you tho
Jul 26th 2022
30
                not familiar with the song? wait.. what
Jul 27th 2022
33
                     I know right? But I saw someone in a YT comment say the same thing
Jul 27th 2022
35
                     i never (consciously) listened to a marley song.
Jul 27th 2022
37
Apparently the Ashy's Are Calling it a Chick Flick
Jul 25th 2022
20
meh they'll all be there day 1 to see it
Jul 25th 2022
21
Boyce has been having a problem being Boyce
Jul 25th 2022
22
Boyce (or his team), has him riding the click bait train
Jul 25th 2022
24
Boyce always been a hoe ass nigga
Jul 25th 2022
25
They kinda wrote themselves into a hole with male characters.
Jul 26th 2022
32
Doesn't M'Baku Become Black Panther in the Comics?
Jul 27th 2022
38
      Which era? Pretty sure Shuri is the new panther in the recent run.
Jul 28th 2022
44
           RE: In the Comics...
Jul 29th 2022
48
its always the least masculine dudes yelling about lack of masculinity.
Jul 27th 2022
34
      LOL you're not lying
Jul 27th 2022
39
      Ben Shapiro reacting to WAP is incredible
Jul 28th 2022
42
      ^^^^spot fucking on^^^^
Aug 01st 2022
55
      man!
Aug 02nd 2022
56
      ^^^^Might be the most accurate post of the year on OKP.
Aug 02nd 2022
57
there is supposedly a movement online to boycott this movie
Jul 27th 2022
36
This is the only valid complaint I've seen thus far.
Jul 28th 2022
40
      It’s an invalid complaint. BP is a title, not a person.
Jul 28th 2022
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           You're right. I didn't think it through.
Jul 28th 2022
43
           tchalla has been BP for like 99% of the characters published history
Jul 30th 2022
51
I really can't wait for y'all to see this film...
Jul 28th 2022
45
R u sayin u saw the whole flick already????.
Jul 29th 2022
46
      I was fortunate to have the privilege of working on this film...
Jul 29th 2022
47
           that’s peace
Jul 29th 2022
49
           that’s peace
Jul 29th 2022
50
           Even from the outside, this feels like a sort of Winter Soldier moment
Jul 31st 2022
52
                Your concerns haven't fallen on deaf ears...
Jul 31st 2022
53
New trailer. Not watching.
Oct 03rd 2022
58
Damn the cgi looks good.
Oct 03rd 2022
59
This looks way better than the last trailer.
Oct 03rd 2022
60
It's good. A worthy follow-up to the first.
Nov 08th 2022
61
Does it need to be 2 hours 41 minutes long? Does it pull it off?
Nov 08th 2022
62
it's whatever the fuck they decided it needed to be.
Nov 10th 2022
64
.
Nov 11th 2022
65
Wakanda Forever, Forever ever, FOREVER EVA?
Nov 11th 2022
66
Chill, yo...
Nov 11th 2022
68
Every minute is a keeper. Coogler deserved that runtime
Nov 11th 2022
69
I disagree with everything you say about Namor and Riri
Nov 11th 2022
70
Most Marvel fans should know this but there is 1 post credits scene
Nov 10th 2022
63
*mid-credits
Nov 11th 2022
67
Enjoyed myself, immensely…
Nov 13th 2022
71
Yeah going back a 2nd time today because…
Nov 13th 2022
72
Wow…
Nov 13th 2022
75
I don’t think I’ve ever imagined how Namor moved.
Nov 13th 2022
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RE: I don’t think I’ve ever imagined how Namor moved.
Nov 13th 2022
74
Yeah he was definitely Namor in comic spirit
Nov 14th 2022
76
loved it
Nov 14th 2022
77
What is the currency of Namors people?
Nov 15th 2022
78
Could ask the same question of Wakanda.
Nov 15th 2022
79
Wakanda explained theirs though?
Nov 15th 2022
80
RE: Wakanda explained theirs though?
Nov 15th 2022
82
Wakanda actually don't seem to be THAT amazing militarily.
Nov 15th 2022
83
      Those one million folk are stationed all over the world .
Nov 16th 2022
86
Alexa, play "FAFO" by Zack Fox
Nov 15th 2022
81
what need would they have for currency?
Nov 15th 2022
84
      How do they pay for goods?
Nov 15th 2022
85
           Barter system
Nov 16th 2022
87
                Barter system with how many millions of people?
Nov 17th 2022
88
                     is that what most of the world did before there was currency?
Nov 17th 2022
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                          No other place in the world has had a single leader for over 600 years
Nov 17th 2022
90
                               you're pushing this hard lol...
Nov 17th 2022
91
It was really good
Nov 28th 2022
92
Saw it in 4DX. Loved it
Nov 28th 2022
93
Is 4XD worth it?
Nov 28th 2022
94
      yes
Nov 28th 2022
95
           its $23 here..
Nov 28th 2022
96
                i'm definitely doing it for avatar
Nov 29th 2022
97
If Shuri was the first person from the surface world to visit Talokan…
Dec 04th 2022
98
slightly used
Dec 04th 2022
99

BrooklynWHAT
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1. "thats a good ass trailer"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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2. "i cried"
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3. "Marvel went all out."
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https://twitter.com/MarvelStudios/status/1551059789500649472

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4. "They can take all my money right now "
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9. "RE: first movie I'm going to see in a theater since 2018"
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which coincidentally was Black Panther



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5. "namor."
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10. "RE: namor."
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The Submariner, the First Mutant, Prince of Atlantis

Never thought I’d see him in films. I admit I got chills

  

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11. "that shot of him being born with the wings on his ankles..."
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goosebumps.

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Mgmt
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23. "RE: that shot of him being born with the wings on his ankles..."
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>goosebumps.

Holy shit I missed the wings. Thank you

  

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6. "🖤✊🏽💜"
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😎


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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7. "Jah bless Ryan Coogler"
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Cause I got no faith in the next phase of these marvel movies which have been mostly trash but damn if that Bob Marley to Kendrick didn't give me all the feels.


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8. "SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!"
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- - - Begin Sig. - - -

"Courage doesn't always roar. Sometimes courage is that little voice at the end of the day that says, 'I'll try again tomorrow.'" ~ ~ Anne Radmacher

  

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12. "Social media and YouTube bout to be a mine field for the next few months..."
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I don’t wanna see too much more of this at all, so I can go to the theater with no expectations and actually enjoy surprises.

I might get another peek at Angela Bassett, because gahdamn.

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13. "and just think....."
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they almost DELETED Ryan Coogler on some banking while black shit.

The man is a national treasure. Let's act accordingly.

  

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29. "Word. If it ain't safe for him...."
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and the crazy thing is he handled that situation PERFECTLY. Like wtf are we supposed to do?

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14. "From the beginning I've been on team RECAST"
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And I think it was a understandable emotional reaction to call for the character to not be recast, but ultimately, a stifling and limiting position. We've had how many Batmans, Spidermans, and Supermans? It's a shame to have T'Challa = Chadwick and vice versa.
Shuri as BP is okay, but really would have been a better move for a third movie. I'll watch this, but my excitement is pretty low. The trailer is cool and all, but doesn't really move me like that.

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18. "RE: ^^^ i'm in this line"
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>And I think it was a understandable emotional reaction to
>call for the character to not be recast, but ultimately, a
>stifling and limiting position. We've had how many Batmans,
>Spidermans, and Supermans? It's a shame to have T'Challa =
>Chadwick and vice versa.
>Shuri as BP is okay, but really would have been a better move
>for a third movie. I'll watch this, but my excitement is
>pretty low. The trailer is cool and all, but doesn't really
>move me like that.

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54. "i got no desire at all to see it."
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Namor look cool & all, but I aint going to a Black Panther movie to watch a Mexican demigod rip up a country full of single Black women.

  

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15. "legit goosebumps"
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16. "Those fuckboys at Midnight's Edge apparently got a problem with the trai..."
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I'm paraphrasing....

"What does No Woman, No Cry have to do with the trailer?"
"Doesn't Marvel know that Bob Marley is Jamaican and not African?"

And other stupid myopic shit Tom Connors says.

https://youtu.be/rFK6UTrqPus?t=1755

  

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17. "Those guys are idiots..."
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But in general I don't like trailers using a cover of a song done in a different style and not having any dialog.

But this trailer's still good - but I'd like to hear a little more of the story instead of listening to a cover song.

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19. "This isn't a full trailer though. It's a teaser. We shouldn't be"
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getting actual story information yet - a teaser's job is to show enough imagery to build hype for the movie. We'll get more story info as we get closer and there's and actual full trailer.

>But this trailer's still good - but I'd like to hear a little more of the story instead of listening to a cover song.

  

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26. "its a valid question"
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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27. "What part of that is a valid question???"
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No Woman, No Cry is as on the nose perfectly matched to teaser as any song could be. We literally see several women in mourning over the death of T’Challa, while the song is offering comfort telling them not to cry because everything’s gonna be alright…which blends into Kendrick’s defiant Alright as we see the Wakandans defiantly defend themselves against Namor and the Atlanteans…

The second question about Bob Marley being Jamaican is equally stupid - first because the version they used is performed by Tems who is from Nigeria, but secondly because a major theme of Black Panther (THE major theme of the first movie) is about the connectivity of the African diaspora with T’Challa and Killmonger as literal first cousins but one American and the other African, with T’Challa and the Wakandans learning that they need to be connected to Black people around the world. Marley is obviously part of the African diaspora, as is Kendrick, who had music all over the first movie.

  

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28. "sad u even had to explain this"
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31. "La di da di da"
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Slob on my knob

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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30. "Not familiar with the song so the lyrics seemed odd tbh. i got you tho"
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Thanks for breaking it down.

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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33. "not familiar with the song? wait.. what"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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35. "I know right? But I saw someone in a YT comment say the same thing"
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and that they thought "No Woman No Cry" meant "If you don't have a woman you don't need to cry"...

We losing recipes...

  

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37. "i never (consciously) listened to a marley song. "
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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20. "Apparently the Ashy's Are Calling it a Chick Flick"
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Dr. Boyce Watkins already created a video saying the trailer lacks black masculinity.

I mean the King is both literally and figuratively dead, the country is in mourning and I assume they are being immediately attacked before they can crown someone new.

We haven't even had a full plot synopsis yet.

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21. "meh they'll all be there day 1 to see it"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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22. "Boyce has been having a problem being Boyce"
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Mon Jul-25-22 07:35 PM by Airbreed

  

          

Bro has me side eyeing him lately on stoopid shit he’s been bumping his gums about.

I get the sentiment of the “absence of the black male” in Hollywood films.

But this is JUST the 1st trailer. There’s still more to be said about what BP2 is about and who ends up in the BP armor (Although I’m 99% certain it’s Shuri considering the comic history of BP).

Something Boyce clearly knows nothing about (especially with gaming) and is jumping ahead of himself as usual.

  

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24. "Boyce (or his team), has him riding the click bait train"
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they think its whats needed to spark engagement.

hes so fucking stupid.

  

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25. "Boyce always been a hoe ass nigga"
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32. "They kinda wrote themselves into a hole with male characters."
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With T'chaka dead, killmonger dead, and Chadwick dead, M'baku's the only black male of note in black panther 2.

"chick flick" is a stretch, but there's definitely going to be a hard pivot in this movie, which has been the case with most marvel/disney IPs this decade.

Not complaining. I'm sure this movie will be great.

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38. "Doesn't M'Baku Become Black Panther in the Comics?"
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Ryan didn't write them into a hole, the comic itself is full of strong female characters.

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44. "Which era? Pretty sure Shuri is the new panther in the recent run."
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Does the new panther in the trailer look built like M'baku?

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48. "RE: In the Comics..."
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M'Baku kills King T'Chaka in ritual combat and becomes King.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCy_wgXOCLk

In the comics Shuri also becomes Black Panther.
https://www.marvel.com/characters/shuri/in-comics

There's established canon for this character. The director didn't "write them into a hole".

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34. "its always the least masculine dudes yelling about lack of masculinity."
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39. "LOL you're not lying"
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42. "Ben Shapiro reacting to WAP is incredible"
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https://youtu.be/U9FM49Tzhn4

I realize this seems tangential, but it’s hand in hand IMO

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55. "^^^^spot fucking on^^^^"
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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

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56. "man!"
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57. "^^^^Might be the most accurate post of the year on OKP."
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36. "there is supposedly a movement online to boycott this movie "
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Folks are saying if Tobey McGuire died IRL during Spider Man they wouldn’t kill off Peter Parker.

Of course this is on twitter so no idea how legit this movement is irl.


should they recast his character like Spidey or nah?

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40. "This is the only valid complaint I've seen thus far."
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Seems to be breaking with comic book (and film) tradition.

  

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41. "It’s an invalid complaint. BP is a title, not a person."
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>Seems to be breaking with comic book (and film) tradition.

Black Panther is a title. T’Challa is just the main iteration we follow in the comics.

And in the comics, when T’Challa is sick, Shuri takes the mantle.

We see three separate Black Panthers across two movies in the MCU
We see the mantle passed down when one dies.
We also see the mantle change hands via ritual ceremony.

Not recasting, and handing the mantle over to another character, is 100% in line with both the comics and the movie.

So not only is that not a valid complaint, it’s 180 degrees away from every ounce of established canon and tradition in both the comics and movies- particularly with this character.

Spider-Man was never recast with the same continuity. Each recast came with a reboot.
Not only that, that was an exponentially smaller world than what we have in the MCU.

It’s not like there was a credible option to takeover as Spider-Man in the first two franchises.

BP not only has established canon that makes passing down the mantle the logical, realistic, and narratively consistent choice, it also has credible, established options to do it.

Shuri
Killmonger
M’Baku

  

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43. "You're right. I didn't think it through."
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51. "tchalla has been BP for like 99% of the characters published history"
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in comics

Shuri as BP is an idea that's hella new, and those books were terrible
You pick up any random BP comic in the history of the character you are almost guaranteed to get a story starring Tchalla

NOT ONLY THAT, but Shuri and Mbuku as chatracters, are thin/weak as hell compared to Tchalla.

This is like making a Thunderbolt Ross Red Hulk movie

  

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45. "I really can't wait for y'all to see this film..."
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..just to quiet the critics regarding ONE trailer lol.

If y'all truly knew the amount of effort & sacrifices made to complete this film in the face of every challenge you could possibly imagine (injuries, cancer, pandemic, DEATH, etc.), good grief! © Cha'lie Brown

I watched this crew approach every obstacle with one goal in mind:

To make a film that not only honored the original canon, T'Challa, AND Chadwick Boseman with integrity and respect.

I can honestly say that while there will always be criticism when it comes to artistic license, this film is balanced and shows respect to all the questions/comments/concerns raised in recent years.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


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46. "R u sayin u saw the whole flick already????."
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Who are you and who sent you??? Lol…. But honestly what do u do to have this privilege?

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47. "I was fortunate to have the privilege of working on this film..."
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..and a few other franchises within the MCU.

I know there's plenty of speculation regarding how the franchise is being handled/moving forward, but I can assure you every measure was taken to show proper respect to all involved (past, present, & future).


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


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49. "that’s peace"
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I’ll be there opening night with wifey…. Think she’s still mad I saw the 1st one with the fellas on opening night instead of her… lol

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50. "that’s peace"
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I’ll be there opening night with wifey…. Think she’s still mad I saw the 1st one with the fellas on opening night instead of her… lol

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52. "Even from the outside, this feels like a sort of Winter Soldier moment"
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In retrospect, I love the first three phases of the MCU as a whole. Not only does it tell an impressively coherent story about…the seven or eight major themes it approaches over time, but the movies leading to Avengers and Ultron also feel like distinct time capsules of comic book movie making.

I also was checked out for a all of Phase 2 at the time. Civil War brought me back because I knew that story and heard Spider-Man might appear. But doing the big download before Infinity War, it became pretty clear that something happened to the franchise thanks to Winter Soldier (and Guardians) - it found a voice and a primary plot, even if that primary plot would often linger as the B or C story outside Cap movies. And it made those past two Avengers movies not just feel like spectacles but real stories with actual stakes, I matter how full of tropes and quips.

It’s be very, very cool if this movie injected this current run of Marvel movies with a sense of what it means to lose something. These movies lost almost all of their stars, or otherwise are in the business of passing the torch from icons to unsure bets. Aside from the real world business, the characters that are left lost the ones that have them purpose and a higher calling than simple monster of the week stuff. I didn’t see Strange 2, but the most hollow aspect of Spidey 3 was that it nodded at what it means to experience loss and estrangement in the least subtle, most Saturday morning cartoon way possible.

Which I also get - this franchise is never gonna find room for Logan in its canon, let alone a character like Falcon dealing with the loss of Steve more than the responsibility of wearing the shield - but this trailer gives me a possibly misguided sense of hope that Fiege and team realize they’re flagging not just because the product is diluted by the TV shows but because the audience still cares about Tony, Steve, T’Challa, Bruce and whoever else. The characters we have left ought to be dealing with that too, not Scarlet Witch’s trauma from the end of Infinity War. That’s a potent story, but at the risk of speaking for a lot of people it’s really hard to care about a character who’s always been on the fringes of these movies - even with a clever TV show, she’s still just the gal what does the hand motions like Strange without similarly galactic implications.

I really, really want to see this movie absolutely wreck itself over T’Challa the person/king as much as Black Panther the costume, with where the last movie left him and his counsel fighting to become a global example for Black excellence rather than hesitant recluses. There’s so much potential for this movie to chart the path toward Jonathan Majors’ Kang swaggering through the major plot of the MCU as a sort of trolley problem for these current heroes - are they too burdened by the achievements of their predecessors and idols to become their own best selves? Is the franchise similarly too weighed down by that run from 2013-2019 to pull the same trick again?

It feels really grim to write all of that considering this is ultimately in many ways due to the actual tragic loss of Chadwick Boseman, but sadly part of what excites me so much about this movie’s trailer is that in the same way the Russo brothers figured out that the original Avengers arc was a World War allegory about who wields power and how, Coogler could totally unlock how this current phase is capable of really examining how hard it can be to exit a time of supreme faith in established heroes only to realize the threats aren’t gone and the need for new heroes isn’t abstract.

Edit: Just to say that after saying way too much, I totally get ultimately this will be a comic book movie with action set pieces, tie-ins to the greater MCU and have to appeal to late adolescent and teenage children as much as geeks like me. I say all of the above the implied caveat “for a Marvel movie, anyway.”

Then again, they’re making that She-Hulk show, so.

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53. "Your concerns haven't fallen on deaf ears..."
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..believe it or not, some of your concerns will be addressed in the next few films (directly and indirectly).

Again, it's not perfect, but we worked really hard to bring balance to the universe (pun intended), but as a commonly repeated theme in the MCU:

You can't save them all.

I'm interested in your review after the premier.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


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58. "New trailer. Not watching. "
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https://youtu.be/_Z3QKkl1WyM

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59. "Damn the cgi looks good."
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Big improvement from it looking horrendous in the first one, and bad in general in recent mcu fare

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60. "This looks way better than the last trailer. "
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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61. "It's good. A worthy follow-up to the first. "
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Saw this shit last night in IMAX.

First let me start by saying all you recast T'Challa niggas look real fucking stupid right now. This film greatly honors his legacy both as Chadwick the actor AND T'Challa the character. The mid-credits scene is gonna have y'all eating Crow. Honestly, that mid-credits scene is SO good that going forward Marvel should cut that shit out.

This is not as good as the first one, but it's still a great film and easily the best of Phase Four so far.

My main gripe here is Namor. I have no problems with them changing his background as it's still true to the character. However, he's just Killmonger Part Two. Like Erik, I agree with him, but damn if this didn't feel like the same shit. Loved seeing the kingdom of Talokan as it's visually breathtaking, but it slows the movie down and should've been saved for Namor's own film or show (don't kid yourself, it's gonna happen).

I wish this just stuck to a geopolitical thriller with the world trying to invade Wakanda and mine vibranium from the nation. Would've been dope if U.S. Agent was the villain of the movie working on behalf of the United Nations to destabilize Wakanda playing into the colonization themes.

Julia Louis-Dreyfus' character Allegra is here full force. I still don't like the character and the way she's used here, she should've been the Amanda Waller in this film dispatching other supers and playing the destabilizing game from the shadows.

I do love that all the women are front and center. It's rare to see a movie of this size show black women like this. Smart, strong, and capable heroes. Riri Williams leaps off the page even if her and her part of the story could've been cut.

This is easily the best film of Phase Four with Spider-Man: No Way Home close behind. It's a lot to take in on the first watch and a tad too long, but this is a worthy follow-up to the first film. This has a distinction if being only the second Marvel sequel where it acts as a direct sequel to the first film than the Avengers movie that proceeded it. The other one is The Winter Soilder. All the themes setup in the first are explored here and they make explicit references to the first with only one mention of Thanos (thank God).

With the mid-credits scene in play, I can't wait to what Black Panther 3 is gonna be.


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62. "Does it need to be 2 hours 41 minutes long? Does it pull it off?"
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161 minutes for this, whereas Infinity War was only 149.

It's even longer than Eternals at 157 minutes- and that was way too long.

Only Endgame was longer.

I have a theater rented out for Saturday and between the run time and the preview we'll be in there for well over 3 hours, maybe closer to 3:20.

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64. "it's whatever the fuck they decided it needed to be. "
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If it's too long stay your ass home

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65. "."
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66. "Wakanda Forever, Forever ever, FOREVER EVA? "
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68. "Chill, yo..."
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..their question is valid, even if it doesn't apply to you.


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69. "Every minute is a keeper. Coogler deserved that runtime"
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I said “This is Black Infinity War”

And my son corrected me and said “No, this is Black Endgame, because they won”

LOL. I had to agree.

Namor was a great antagonist. So many callbacks to the OG film. A cameo no one should spoil.

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70. "I disagree with everything you say about Namor and Riri"
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Spoilers abound here in response to your spoiler filled review





Riri couldn’t have been cut. She’s the main source of dramatic tension between Shuri and Namor in the middle of the film. Showing Namor’s homeland was also key to the climax. If Shuri would not have had that beautiful experience there, it would have undercut her final decision in the climax.

Namor is also NOT Killmonger 2. He has a kingdom to rule and protect. Killmonger was consumed with vengeance because his father was killed when he was a child. Namor saw what happened to his mother’s homeland and does not want it to happen to his. He is also a more nuanced antagonist as one can see when he initially hesitated to strike when he first saw Shuri fly into battle against him.

The film excellently built on the ramifications of decisions from each character.

Also I do not think Namor will have a show, I think he will continue to appear on the film side.

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63. "Most Marvel fans should know this but there is 1 post credits scene"
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67. "*mid-credits"
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At least when I saw it.

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71. "Enjoyed myself, immensely…"
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I didn’t personally care much for the original. Watched it at theatre, once. Someone bought the DVD for me as a gift and I watched it one more time. This movie???? I’d watch it again, today, lol. Also…Lupita, top it!! LORD!!

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72. "Yeah going back a 2nd time today because…"
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…I didn’t see it in Imax the first time. The special effects in the sequel are a BIG step up from the original. This deserves to be seen on the biggest screen possible, with the best sound. I saw it 2d. Going back to watch in Imax 3d

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75. "Wow…"
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>I didn’t personally care much for the original

Don’t hear that much

>Watched it
>at theatre, once. Someone bought the DVD for me as a gift and
>I watched it one more time.

People still do DVDs?

>This movie???? I’d watch it
>again, today, lol. Also…Lupita, top it!! LORD!!

All the women were awesome

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73. "I don’t think I’ve ever imagined how Namor moved."
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My dawg was getting to it though. They definitely got his demeanor correct from the comics. I also like that they didn’t have any elements of the Aquaman movie’s version of Atlantis. This super grounded version made it seem like it could be real.

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74. "RE: I don’t think I’ve ever imagined how Namor moved."
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I uncontrollably clapped when I saw that

IMPERIOUS
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Namor is nothing like Kilmonger at all. The theme here is building and refusing to destroy everything.

Great film and really built up Shuri. She earned that mantle.

  

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76. "Yeah he was definitely Namor in comic spirit"
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Tranquil as hell one minute and then pissed off/raising hell the next. That's Namor.

  

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77. "loved it"
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thought it was better than the first.

  

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78. "What is the currency of Namors people? "
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Like they dont have trade, no other domains to conquer except the surface world I guess, no predators … which begs the question of why they’re so good at fighting.

Man got a whole monarchy for what?

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79. "Could ask the same question of Wakanda."
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Both hidden societies with amazing fighters for some reason.

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80. "Wakanda explained theirs though?"
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They have tribes, there was always a war of tribes.
Their is an agrarian tribe who's skillset was based on farming
The river tribe who focused on spying
The dora milaje? Protectors of the throne
The mountain tribe who had their own domain of both surviving the mountains without technology and also being able to fish (they found T'Challa while fishing)

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82. "RE: Wakanda explained theirs though?"
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>They have tribes, there was always a war of tribes.
>Their is an agrarian tribe who's skillset was based on
>farming
>The river tribe who focused on spying
>The dora milaje? Protectors of the throne
>The mountain tribe who had their own domain of both surviving
>the mountains without technology and also being able to fish
>(they found T'Challa while fishing)

which begs the question when M'Baku said they were vegetarians was he speaking of all Jabari or just his family?

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83. "Wakanda actually don't seem to be THAT amazing militarily. "
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Like they got a couple of Navy Seal like special forces that are good at what they do but they didn't have anything that looked like an army. Like Namor and them just rolled up on them like what. (BTW, a pet peeve of mine is always how easily some societies get defeated. Wakanda was like Dune in that no way would a society and that advance be so easy for a surprise attack that easily defeats them in one day).

Anyway, Lots of folks on social media mad that the Wakandans and the Talokan are fighting each other and not taking on the oppressors but the US military is like 1M folks. I don't care how much vibranium you have you ain't beating 1M folks with clubs and swords.

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86. "Those one million folk are stationed all over the world . "
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Namor alone would make quick work of most solitary military bases, if they were guerilla war style one base at a time, they would definitely win. The US doesn’t even know where Takoma is and Wakanda is protected by a force field. Tony and Nat dead, Cap and Vision gone, Thor and C Marvel off world. The US would do what, call up War Machine, Hawkeye and Spider Man? LOL

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81. "Alexa, play "FAFO" by Zack Fox"
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>Man got a whole monarchy for what?

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84. "what need would they have for currency?"
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Namor is very old (500+) and apparently goes up to the surface from time to time since he can blend in a bit. i'm sure they're aware of what's going on in the world. they must have thought they should prepare to defend themselves in case they ever had problems. this probably not the first time they've had to mix it up with people from the surface world.

  

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85. "How do they pay for goods?"
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Or are they a communist monarchy which doesn’t even make sense

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87. "Barter system"
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Why would the only choices be capitalism or communism LOL

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88. "Barter system with how many millions of people?"
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And what exactly are the warrior class bartering since they don’t generate anything

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89. "is that what most of the world did before there was currency?"
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>And what exactly are the warrior class bartering since they
>don’t generate anything

maybe they have other skills

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90. "No other place in the world has had a single leader for over 600 years"
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It's a fantasy so we have to throw out pretty much all of real world understanding

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91. "you're pushing this hard lol..."
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>It's a fantasy so we have to throw out pretty much all of
>real world understanding
>
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92. "It was really good"
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for me the first 2 acts are as good as anything Marvel has done. I guess I'm on the side asking why did they have to fight each other lol It felt like they forced that to happen but oh well. If we see more of Namor I hope he's fleshed out more and doesn't just stay full villain going forward.

I missed the first like 8 seconds because I got up to throw away trash, didn't expect a cold open lol I got up during one of the PSAs or, "this is why we go to theaters" videos. Figured I'd have enough time. Next time I'll be a slob and just throw it on the ground I guess.

  

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93. "Saw it in 4DX. Loved it"
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94. "Is 4XD worth it? "
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My boy told me about it and now I want to try it.

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95. "yes"
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tickets are $16 on Tuesdays at Regal Theaters. Full price at $30 is a bit much.

i will warn you that if you have back issues, DON'T do it.

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96. "its $23 here.. "
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and I don’t mind paying that much for a 1 time experience

if its dope, will def do it again for avatar 2

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97. "i'm definitely doing it for avatar "
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going with a group from work. already have it planned... LOL!

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98. "If Shuri was the first person from the surface world to visit Talokan…"
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why did he have deep diving suits on deck?

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99. "slightly used"
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those diving suits belonged to the people they had literally just killed moments earlier for drilling under the ocean.

  

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