bye bye nigga

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/29/us/r-kelly-sentencing-racketeering-sex-trafficking/index.html

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
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them...cant lie i miss hearing the songs tho

but now with all his shit talking about women I think about him messing with somebody's daughter

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
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I find it funny that many won’t admit it.

>

I listened to step in my room about 6 months ago. It popped in my head to reference it for some funny (to me) reason, and it stayed in my head for days until I couldn’t take it anymore.

AND I WAS FUCKIN JAMMING.

I also listened to Real Talk like 5x in a row a few months ago. It is still as hilarious and amazing as I remembered.

Besides that, I can still love the remixes and most of the steppin stuff (the happy people album has a slew of slappers) even if I don’t seek it out with any regularity. But some of it? Yeah, it’s too confessional and skeevy. Rap Knishes for sure.

The song I miss enjoying the most is Body Callin remix.

He's singing about banging someone's 14 year old daughter. That's all of it.

I stopped when the first video came out. Threw my CD out and never looked back. If the songs come on the radio, my wife and I turn it off. If they play that shit at a club or wedding, we clear evacuate the dance floor immediately. I want NOTHING to do with his music. I even researched songs he wrote for other folks and started phasing them shits out of any playlists I created.

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That man spent literal decades being a predator.

If the justice system was fair he would’ve been stopped and locked early, victimized and abused far fewer people, and gotten the help he needed.

But here we are. A loss for every single person involved with the maximum number of lives ruined.

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i don't follow the logic.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

He also needed to have had less time to do what he did.
Should’ve been knocked and jailed early on.
And he wouldnt have been able to do so much.

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“There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

Please elaborate cause some much nope nope nope.

the Aaliyah situation seriously, so many girls would have dodged that bullet.

♥ Inescapably Me ♥

"Love is never any better than the lover" Toni Morrison (The Bluest Eye)

On a human level 30 years at his age is the end
If he does the whole bid and survives he’ll be 85
This is effectively a death sentence for that man
That he himself earned every minute
But if someone had stopped 20-30 year old him, he’d have victimized fewer people and had a life ahead of the end of his bid
R Kelly is effectively dead from todays decision and that’s wild.
Theres no musical or professional comeback
Theres no redemption or rehab
There’s no chance for reparation or growth
R Kelly has been sent to a slow death away from society
And that “I’m fighting for my life” meme became sad and not funny.

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“There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus

>On a human level 30 years at his age is the end
>If he does the whole bid and survives he’ll be 85
>This is effectively a death sentence for that man
>That he himself earned every minute
>But if someone had stopped 20-30 year old him, he’d have
>victimized fewer people and had a life ahead of the end of his
>bid
>R Kelly is effectively dead from todays decision and that’s
>wild.
>Theres no musical or professional comeback
>Theres no redemption or rehab
>There’s no chance for reparation or growth
>R Kelly has been sent to a slow death away from society
>And that “I’m fighting for my life” meme became sad and
>not funny.

He almost got to do all of that in reverse. He got a huge ‘I’m still over here singing’ run from like 1995 to 2010 after the Aaliyah stuff. He got a chance to do a shitload of steppin after the tape came out too!

The toughest thing for me to deal with is this: it looks like the Mfer never really stopped doing bad shit AND he had mountains of help covering it up, securing more people to do it to, and all of that.

But really, what’s better? Getting to live basically a whole life with MULTIPLE shots to STOP and then having it all fall apart in his 50s? Or being forced to stop around 2000, going to jail, and then getting out of jail around now and hoping to be able to show up in his 50s and overthrow all of his musical children?

Short of that here we are. Maximum lives ruined, his included.
Robert Kelly is and has always been responsible for his actions and choices
But it’s clear this man needed to be prevented from making his own actions and choices
And facilitated to better ones. Instead he was enabled.

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“There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus

we all knew he was guilty

and yet, he was able to make a shit load of money for the label and as soon as his hits dried up people were like

"remember what Kells did?"

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

Federal folks too once he started to cross state lines
Just a failure across any enforcement of laws because fuck Black women and girls right?

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“There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus

<--- Big Baller World Order

PARENTs that where still allowing their daughters to be around him

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

and an illiterate 55 year old man.

i know its easy to think r.kellys exists in a vacuum, but that's how we end up here in the first place.

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

Than individuals that continue the cycle

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“There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

You responded to me

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“There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

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dude had a chance to chill but just couldnt do it

>dude had a chance to chill but just couldnt do it

Nigga you COULD have stopped! He'd be two stepping in the name of abuse right now.

smh

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Yes! She's on the drugs. (c) BoHagon

I'm like so what I'm drunk
C/O lining up my bay
I'm about to have me some luuuunch.

...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

we got food everywhere
like this prison cell catered

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

Like, nigga…a guilty person finally got found guilty.

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Yes! She's on the drugs. (c) BoHagon

This has nothing to do with his music or the music industry

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You have to have at least 7 years worth of criminal activity to even file RICO charges. Lyrics are only a smart part of chronicling their criminal activity.

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Kells shit was next level, but it's not exactly a secret that early-teen groupies was a big thing with all these 70s rock bands.

I don't think any of them worry about some Cosby shit playing out. just more the public scrutiny if some kind of detailed popular documentary drops about it, etc...

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"You probably wouldn't worry about what people think of you if you could know how seldom they do!" - Olin Miller

>Kells shit was next level, but it's not exactly a secret that
>early-teen groupies was a big thing with all these 70s rock
>bands.
>
>I don't think any of them worry about some Cosby shit playing
>out. just more the public scrutiny if some kind of detailed
>popular documentary drops about it, etc...

famous pedophiler in history and people all but ignore his shit, I'm surprised Weinstein is still in jail

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

Woody Allen level scrutiny. he hasn't 'gone away' but his stock has definitely fallen in the pulbic eye.
People are more apprehensive about working with him than they would have been a few years ago. Others saying they regret working with him. HBO dropped a docuseries about allegations (though i thought the series kinda sucked)

I know none of these guys are worried about getting locked up, but more they probably don't want the last thing about them before they die being some quote about how it was a different time and she was 13 going on 30.

This is neither an attack nor hostile criticism, but it's interesting to me how we're on a site started by Black people that was mostly comprised of Black people at some point, yet we've reached a point where ppl are apprehensive about calling out any manifestation of anti-Black racism. Like, even other Black people will come at you for it. The way the system of white supremacy is on autopilot is damn near fascinating sometimes.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

Hell no. Teenagers sleeping with a rock star like Steven Tyler was the highlight
of their life....

Hell, you would have to throw every male musician in jail since the beginning of
music.....and Motown artists?

Groupies chasing tour buses from state to state?....Jim Morrison, Hendrix,
Otis Redding, etc, they were all tapping underage ass after shows. Hell
Elvis Presley married a 14 year old groupie.

Let’s not get silly here.

There is a huge difference between a young 20 something rock star
focking a teenage groupie after a concert and a guy preying and hunting
down underage girls and making them his sex slaves

ALL HAIL THE KING of LOSING: LEBRON
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it's more that the 'music industry is under attack' comment, made me wonder generally if these guys every worry about any scrutiny.

Shit, just read the comments under any Elvis/Priscilla picture today lol.

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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

daughters to him.

But God Damn, his life is over. I just don’t understand why this dude went after
underage girls, some as young as 13 years old. He was basically operating
an underage harem

I was never a huge R Kelly fan anyway. He reminded me too much of 79th
street in Chicago. For some reason his songs makes me think of 79th Street.


Do not play his music or listen to it.

ALL HAIL THE KING of LOSING: LEBRON
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I don't speak to provoke. I speak because I think our time is short and each moment that we are not our truest selves, and we say what we do not mean because we imagine that is what somebody wants us to say, is wasting our time on this Earth - C. Adichie

eee entire fuck is this guy even considered a musical genius???

I mean sure, at his BEST he was a pretty decent midrange R&B cat, nothing spectacular...like at all

his best offering was Happy People or whatever...and that's even pushing it

try to make me understand

I. Just. Don't. Get. It!!!

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The space between despair and orgasm is hard to fill ~ Maron

not in terms of defending his actions, but more it just seems weird listening to a guy like this sing a bunch of love songs and try to separate the two.

i'm generally always fine with separating the art from the artist, but it seems harder here, and again, it could just because i don't personally have to in this case lol.

>not in terms of defending his actions, but more it just seems
>weird listening to a guy like this sing a bunch of love songs
>and try to separate the two.

same. I just YouTubed a couple of his joints from the Happy People album and could only listen to about a min of each of 'em. Too much ghoulishness just a oozing through my earbuds

>i'm generally always fine with separating the art from the
>artist, but it seems harder here, and again, it could just
>because i don't personally have to in this case lol.

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The songs were great but I can’t seem to bring myself to do it

>not in terms of defending his actions, but more it just
>seems
>>weird listening to a guy like this sing a bunch of love
>songs
>>and try to separate the two.
>
>same. I just YouTubed a couple of his joints from the Happy
>People album and could only listen to about a min of each of
>'em. Too much ghoulishness just a oozing through my earbuds
>
>>i'm generally always fine with separating the art from the
>>artist, but it seems harder here, and again, it could just
>>because i don't personally have to in this case lol.
>

dude wrote some monster hits back in the day...

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

that just can't be what people are referring to when they speak of his "greatness."

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Regardless if you like his music or not I think its obvious why he is considered a “musical genius”

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

I was always confused by the way he was treated as some GOAT tier artist
I just saw him as so-so, and like you, saw Happy People his high water mark

is why Michael Jackson went to him to produce one of his greatest songs

Kelly produced almost everybody....Celine Dion, Lady Gaga, Usher,
Ronald Isley, Nas...

He was king of RnB in the 90s hands down.

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Not the writer/producer

Outside of Butterflies, I’m not up on his writing and production work

The fact that he sings, plays, performs, writes, produces and composes
for himself and other big music acts, means that he is a genius.

And Butterflies was composed and written by Marsha Ambrosius ( Floetry)

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>
>
>The fact that he sings, plays, performs, writes, produces and
>composes
>for himself and other big music acts, means that he is a
>genius.

No, it just makes him competent. But that's a whole other discussion.

You can do that and be a genius.
You can also do that and just be musically competent.

But I'm just talking about R Kelly the performer, songs sung and recorded by him. You Remind Me, Ignition, shit like that. None of that shit is special. IBICF is cool, but it never came across like anything special to me.

>And Butterflies was composed and written by Marsha Ambrosius (
>Floetry)

Funny, I actually knew that, come to think of it.

What did Kells write for MJ? I'm sure I'll look it up later, either way.

even if you arent a fan you cant deny the resume. Kells is nice w/ it

<--- Big Baller World Order

dudes list of hits is crazy and like said above the shit he wrote for other ppl is nuts too. genius or not his level of talent is way above average which is what makes his story so tragic

>even if you arent a fan you cant deny the resume. Kells is
>nice w/ it

>genius or not his level of
>talent is way above average which is what makes his story so
>tragic

I was thinking the years of sexual abuse endured by the victims was the tragedy, but that’s me. But maybe I’m wrong, and his victim were more traumatized by the fact they were being raped by a supposed genius than they were the rapes themselves.

the victims were a part of the story just like he is. just looking at kells, his music brought a lot of joy to a lot of ppl in the world...he was a talented guy who had the potential to do a lot of good but he couldnt escape his demons. i was just referring to him the man. this whole post has revolved around the victims as it should. relax bro

>>genius or not his level of
>>talent is way above average which is what makes his story so
>>tragic
>
>I was thinking the years of sexual abuse endured by the
>victims was the tragedy, but that’s me. But maybe I’m
>wrong, and his victim were more traumatized by the fact they
>were being raped by a supposed genius than they were the rapes
>themselves.

and dude felt the need to remind us of the obvious instead of just saying they didn’t like his music.

I wasn’t the biggest fan but dude had a few cuts that were undeniable.

This is what kills me about the entertainment industry. A lot of are favorite older artist have some serious demons and bones in their closets.

So now The Cosby Show wasn’t the shit because “what about the victims and how they feel?”

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

>and dude felt the need to remind us of the obvious instead of
>just saying they didn’t like his music.

Wrong. I had already said I didn't care for his music all that much.

The comment you're referencing, was me giving a sarcastic reply to this specific comment:

"genius or not his level of talent is way above average which is what makes his story so tragic"

No, I'm sorry, his level of talent being way above average isn't what makes it so tragic.

I'd say the allegations of him being abused himself as a child makes it tragic on his end, but his talent is irrelevant. his talent is arguably what allowed him to do what he did for so long, to so many. A lesser talent with less resources probably doesn't do what he did for so long. So yes, there's a certain tragedy specific to the ability to use power, influence, and status to get away with horrible shit. But the talent level itself doesn't make this tragic. The acts do.

But it was a specific reply to one specific comment.

>I wasn’t the biggest fan but dude had a few cuts that were
>undeniable.
>
>This is what kills me about the entertainment industry. A lot
>of are favorite older artist have some serious demons and
>bones in their closets.
>
>So now The Cosby Show wasn’t the shit because “what about
>the victims and how they feel?”

It's not like my opinion of Kells' music changed after this all blew up. It's not revisionist. He was never all that appealing to me. Not horrible, not great, just "ok, cool song" level for me. My opinion of his music is not impacted in any way by this other shit.

The Cosby Show was, is, and always will be a short list GOAT family comedy, regardless of bill.

position to do good things in the world and be a positive force and role model. he instead did treacherous things. in my opinion that is a tragedy.

>
>The comment you're referencing, was me giving a sarcastic
>reply to this specific comment:
>
>"genius or not his level of talent is way above average which
>is what makes his story so tragic"
>
>No, I'm sorry, his level of talent being way above average
>isn't what makes it so tragic.
>
>I'd say the allegations of him being abused himself as a child
>makes it tragic on his end, but his talent is irrelevant. his
>talent is arguably what allowed him to do what he did for so
>long, to so many. A lesser talent with less resources probably
>doesn't do what he did for so long. So yes, there's a certain
>tragedy specific to the ability to use power, influence, and
>status to get away with horrible shit. But the talent level
>itself doesn't make this tragic. The acts do.
>
>But it was a specific reply to one specific comment.
>
>>I wasn’t the biggest fan but dude had a few cuts that were
>>undeniable.
>>
>>This is what kills me about the entertainment industry. A
>lot
>>of are favorite older artist have some serious demons and
>>bones in their closets.
>>
>>So now The Cosby Show wasn’t the shit because “what
>about
>>the victims and how they feel?”
>
>It's not like my opinion of Kells' music changed after this
>all blew up. It's not revisionist. He was never all that
>appealing to me. Not horrible, not great, just "ok, cool song"
>level for me. My opinion of his music is not impacted in any
>way by this other shit.
>
>The Cosby Show was, is, and always will be a short list GOAT
>family comedy, regardless of bill.

but I’m at a point in life where I can admit someone’s talent is great even if I don’t fuck with it.

You don’t sell 75 million records if your talent is meh..

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

>the victims were a part of the story just like he is. just
>looking at kells, his music brought a lot of joy to a lot of
>ppl in the world...he was a talented guy who had the potential
>to do a lot of good but he couldnt escape his demons. i was
>just referring to him the man. this whole post has revolved
>around the victims as it should. relax bro

I don't disagree with any of that.

The initial comment came across a bit too flippant, I guess, with the implication that it would somehow be less tragic if he weren't so talented.

But yes, I do agree, he had a tremendous capacity for good, that went to waste as a result of his predilections.

favorite artists too.

I remember being flabbergasted reading the credits for Maxwell's Fortunate...

>favorite artists too.
I HIGHLY doubt that

>I remember being flabbergasted reading the credits for
>Maxwell's Fortunate...

and outta Maxwell's almost stellar catalog that song has gotta be one of the most mailed-in basic AF songs he ever sang

not the best example to use against my argument

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The ULTIMATE negation of everything.

The space between despair and orgasm is hard to fill ~ Maron

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

that good, hate to break it to ya

his whole catalog is BASIC AF "sultry" bullshit for the most part

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The ULTIMATE negation of everything.

The space between despair and orgasm is hard to fill ~ Maron

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The ULTIMATE negation of everything.

The space between despair and orgasm is hard to fill ~ Maron

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The ULTIMATE negation of everything.

The space between despair and orgasm is hard to fill ~ Maron