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shygurl
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"Roe V Wade is done."
Fri Jun-24-22 09:19 AM by shygurl

          

50 years of work and these savages have accomplished their goal.

(via the Washington Post)

The Supreme Court has struck down Roe v. Wade, which for nearly 50 years has protected the right to abortion.
The decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health was the most anticipated of the court’s term, with political tension surrounding the fight over abortion erupting in May with the leak of a draft opinion indicating a majority of justices intended to end the long-standing precedent.
The justices were considering a Mississippi law that would ban almost all abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The law had not taken effect because lower courts said it was at odds with the right to abortion established in Roe v. Wade in 1973 and affirmed by subsequent Supreme Court rulings.
Those decisions held that states may not impose restrictions on a woman’s right to terminate her pregnancy before viability — the point when a fetus could survive outside the womb, usually around 24 weeks.
Here’s what to know
A draft majority opinion overturning Roe was leaked in May, prompting many groups and politicians to brace for a vast shake-up in access to abortion. The draft opinion, written by Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr., ripped through the national political landscape with Democratic-controlled states backing abortion protections and Republican-led passing new restrictions that would outlaw the procedure if Roe were overturned.

When the court accepted the Mississippi case, it said the justices would examine whether “all pre-viability prohibitions on elective abortions are unconstitutional.”

The decision comes from a court that is more conservative with the addition of three justices nominated by former President Donald Trump in the last five years.

Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. confirmed the authenticity of the draft opinion, ordered an internal investigation into the leak and said “the work of the Court will not be affected in any way."

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I hope you live a life you’re proud of. If you find that you’re not, I hope you have the strength to start all over again.

— F. Scott Fitzgerald

  

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Handmaids Tale is here
Jun 24th 2022
1
These clowns may just be getting started...
Jun 24th 2022
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That will only work
Jun 24th 2022
3
I'm sure they have cases in the pipeline.
Jun 24th 2022
5
O, his wife helped undermine democracy with no consequences, he's good
Jun 24th 2022
6
this was over a looooong time ago.
Jun 24th 2022
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RE: That will only work
Jun 24th 2022
10
Piece of shit always quoting himself.
Jun 24th 2022
4
Imagine being a republican/conservative.
Jun 24th 2022
8
The Host Of Celebrity Apprentice....
Jun 24th 2022
9
Even worse
Jun 24th 2022
11
the email lady tried to warn us.
Jun 24th 2022
13
      they wouldn't have confirmed email lady's nominee
Jun 24th 2022
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      I most def agree with the RBG thing
Jun 24th 2022
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      Because that's what they're paid to do.
Jun 24th 2022
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      she warned us, but also handpicked trump to run against?
Jun 24th 2022
35
      every republican president would have packed the court.
Jun 24th 2022
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      is that the lady who refused to go back to Wisconsin and Michigan
Jun 24th 2022
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      Kind of convenient that the only solution is to vote D every cycle
Jun 24th 2022
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           That's the other part, No party is going to win EVERY eleection
Jun 24th 2022
79
Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett committed perjury b/w DOJ ain’t $hit.
Jun 24th 2022
12
So nuts that a one term president got 3 Supreme Court Nominations.
Jun 24th 2022
15
STOLE 3 Supreme Court Nominations
Jun 24th 2022
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I wish Obama would have flexed a little when they blocked Garland
Jun 24th 2022
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      There were less than 50 Dems in the Senate, realistically what could he ...
Jun 24th 2022
18
           Look, I get it...
Jun 24th 2022
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                Obama couldn't even talk sense into RBG...
Jun 24th 2022
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^^^dems are not cut out for this
Jun 24th 2022
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sad thing, wasn't work...our side just didn't show up
Jun 24th 2022
14
Obviously this is on Republicans, but I low-key blame the far left too
Jun 24th 2022
20
RE: Obviously this is on Republicans, but I low-key blame the far left t...
Jun 24th 2022
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I'm not against his beliefs, tho I will argue against his competence.
Jun 24th 2022
27
lol
Jun 24th 2022
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Jill Stein, baby
Jun 24th 2022
34
RE: Obviously this is on Republicans, but I low-key blame the far left t...
Jun 24th 2022
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I high key blame religion & republicans...
Jun 24th 2022
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"biden 2024 y'all!"
Jun 24th 2022
39
hmmm...saw this on Twitter
Jun 24th 2022
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Did you read it?
Jun 24th 2022
74
lmao
Jun 24th 2022
80
btw the majority of white women voted for this.
Jun 24th 2022
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This was the only reason most of them even went out to vote...
Jun 24th 2022
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republicans are gonna run on a national abortion ban.
Jun 24th 2022
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      its already starting.
Jun 24th 2022
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      Exactly. And then it will be "Family Values" going after contraception,
Jun 24th 2022
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      Nobody is actively working to disenfranchise those voters
Jun 24th 2022
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About time you called them out
Jun 24th 2022
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      huh? i been calling out white people on this shit all the time.
Jun 24th 2022
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           *dead*
Jun 24th 2022
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           Yeah I was replying to mellow
Jun 24th 2022
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Bernie’s legacy
Jun 24th 2022
33
Looks at Biden...
Jun 24th 2022
44
This country is a dumpster fire
Jun 24th 2022
45
my perception of america and remaining minimally content to live here
Jun 24th 2022
47
RE: my perception of america and remaining minimally content to live her...
Jun 24th 2022
51
Same.
Jun 24th 2022
52
It was all good before 2016, huh? OK Player, lmaoooo
Jun 26th 2022
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      Where did I say that?
Jun 27th 2022
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           shit has been this bad loooong before 2016.
Jun 30th 2022
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national media deserves a ton of blame too.
Jun 24th 2022
46
Received a text to donate to fight this immediately
Jun 24th 2022
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And that's honestly the part that makes me the angriest
Jun 27th 2022
140
We need to accept that more Americans wanted this
Jun 24th 2022
53
republicans have only won the popular vote once since 1988.
Jun 24th 2022
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a lot of Black voters are conservative Dems
Jun 28th 2022
142
Senate Dems represent (I think) more than 40 million people than Senate ...
Jun 24th 2022
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yea, without an impossible to foresee wake up call
Jun 24th 2022
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In most of the credible polling I've seen on this, ~60-65% of Americans
Jun 24th 2022
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Right, it's *not* true that the majority of Americans wanted this.
Jun 25th 2022
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I don’t think this is true
Jun 24th 2022
75
Women need to get on that Chiraq
Jun 24th 2022
56
??? white women voted for this...???
Jun 24th 2022
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      basically. 94% of black women voted for Hillary.
Jun 24th 2022
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           Voting isn't enough
Jun 24th 2022
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                Voting is the most powerful tool in our arsenal.
Jun 24th 2022
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                I didn't say not to vote...
Jun 24th 2022
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                     *takes bait* Ok, so what is the answer?
Jun 24th 2022
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                          RE: *takes bait* Ok, so what is the answer?
Jun 24th 2022
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                More people need to vote
Jun 24th 2022
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                     people on twitter comparing voting to thoughts and prayers
Jun 24th 2022
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don't worry. Nancy got this
Jun 24th 2022
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RE: don't worry. Nancy got this
Jun 24th 2022
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Remember when the GOP kept crying about "activist judges"?
Jun 24th 2022
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Biden's response was a bit weak...
Jun 24th 2022
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Virginia was the first form of government in the entire world
Jun 24th 2022
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I’m numb…
Jun 24th 2022
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I'mma keep this short and sweet ('cause y'all know me & I know y'all)
Jun 25th 2022
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Leahy, Durbin, Schumer, Pelosi, Feinstein...have held office for decades...
Jun 25th 2022
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lol
Jun 25th 2022
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...and what wouldn't they have done.....
Jun 25th 2022
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      Biden's been in office longer than I've been alive
Jun 26th 2022
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           Obama did Affordable Care, Biden did Infastructure, Obama put 2
Jun 26th 2022
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                ...and yet here we are.
Jun 26th 2022
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                     As I've said before A MILLION TIMES, "where are YOU and
Jun 26th 2022
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                          Right, which is the party line I'm hearing
Jun 26th 2022
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                               if you think someone is better, you work for that candidate and...
Jun 26th 2022
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                                    Fuck your party.
Jun 26th 2022
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                                         Literally that's all you are about. Anybody that thought anything else
Jun 26th 2022
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The slipping started in 2000 ?
Jun 25th 2022
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      Ted Kennedy, George McGovern, Adlai Stephenson...
Jun 25th 2022
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      Yeah they were no match for Hillary and Gore
Jun 26th 2022
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      Bill Clinton made the Democratic Party the GOP, but gay & in cities
Jun 26th 2022
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           People who disagree with Bill Clinton or anyone else have to win
Jun 26th 2022
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           Tell me one political goal that you have had as a democrat
Jun 26th 2022
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           Bernie or Bust - I CAN PIN IT ON PROGRESSIVES
Jun 26th 2022
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                well, that just means you're a fucking idiot.
Jun 26th 2022
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                Ds didn't have the WH continuously for 30 years...so it's your fault
Jun 26th 2022
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                LOL this is a special kind of denialism
Jun 26th 2022
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                     voters apparently protect the status quo too. yall seem to ignore them.
Jun 26th 2022
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                          It would be helpful to stop looking at this like a zero sum game
Jun 28th 2022
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           aint it funny how they shit on folks that won two straight terms
Jun 26th 2022
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                ain't it funny how ya'll deflect blame onto message board posters
Jun 26th 2022
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                     name a candidate who embodies your positions the most.
Jun 26th 2022
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                          You think making this about me is a W?
Jun 26th 2022
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                               none of those people have even won a statewide race.
Jun 26th 2022
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                                    WTF does that have to do with a strategy heading into the midterms?
Jun 26th 2022
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                                         Dude's a paid shill.
Jun 27th 2022
131
                                         respectfully, there's no use going back and forth with him.
Jun 27th 2022
139
           bill clinton saved the democratic party from national irrelevance.
Jun 26th 2022
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           True Indeed
Jun 26th 2022
126
                telecom act, crime bill, NAFTA, pharma bills...
Jun 26th 2022
127
suck
Jun 25th 2022
88
historic victory for white life
Jun 26th 2022
94
their tongues will fall on themselves.....
Jun 27th 2022
132
Impeach the Justices for perjury (c) AOC
Jun 26th 2022
102
I don’t think that’s a real plan
Jun 26th 2022
106
Better get something on the books before the end of summer
Jun 26th 2022
108
its fantasy shit. from somebody in congress who should know better.
Jun 26th 2022
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      Compared to what?
Jun 26th 2022
112
           compared to reality. what does this even mean lol:
Jun 26th 2022
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                RE: 2000 and 2016
Jun 26th 2022
118
                     what do you think the process for 'discarding' the electoral college is?
Jun 26th 2022
119
                          From the 'my party supports popular policies' guy
Jun 26th 2022
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                               I don't know how you do it
Jun 26th 2022
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                                    Appreciate your reply
Jun 27th 2022
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                                    Appreciate your reply
Jun 27th 2022
130
I second that emotion (c) Ilhan Omar
Jun 27th 2022
134
It appears the strategy is to make abolishing the filibuster the white g...
Jun 26th 2022
124
lawmakers suggest the following actions for the President’s considerat...
Jun 26th 2022
125
Can one of yall explain how abortion is a black issue?
Jun 27th 2022
135
Because it's bigger than just a black issue.....
Jun 27th 2022
137
^slippery slope as stated above, or are you implying
Jun 27th 2022
138
I'm saying that.....
Jun 27th 2022
141
Had to research before I responded....
Jun 28th 2022
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because liberal white women want us to, which is enuff 4 black liberals
Jun 28th 2022
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      Come on...
Jun 28th 2022
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      white women have lower rates of abortion than black/brown women
Jun 28th 2022
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           lower rates.. but much higher population
Jun 28th 2022
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                Common sense answer
Jun 29th 2022
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                white people love using rates to make themselves feel better
Jun 29th 2022
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                of course, but the argument that banning abortion = more white babies
Jun 29th 2022
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                     You're gonna die on this hill
Jun 29th 2022
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      Man this is one of those instances where if a black woman isn't a part
Jun 29th 2022
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majority of americans are pro choice
Jun 27th 2022
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You’re part of the Don’t Threaten me w/the Supreme Court crowd
Jun 29th 2022
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      i have no idea what that means.
Jun 30th 2022
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the majority of white women voted for trump, he appointed 3 of the...
Jun 29th 2022
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...or RBG could've retired...
Jun 29th 2022
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      RBG was *one* seat.
Jun 29th 2022
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           What's the math on Bernie's fault?
Jun 30th 2022
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                I almost went into a rant on this yesterday...
Jun 30th 2022
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                     Pelosi visiting the fucking Pope a few days after Roe decision..
Jun 30th 2022
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Kansas tells Evangelical Kangaroo Supreme Court: 'hold my birth control"
Aug 03rd 2022
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glad they didn't listen to the Doomer Left
Aug 04th 2022
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That's my state
Aug 04th 2022
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we live in the dumbest country.
Aug 04th 2022
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      Elections and reality
Aug 04th 2022
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republicans in nebraska get cold feet on 12 week abortion ban.
Aug 08th 2022
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Supreme Court just handed the midterms to the Dems
Aug 08th 2022
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      Maybe Clarence Thomas health concerns forced them to act sooner
Aug 08th 2022
170
           The Squad were doing the Homer whisper about Clarence
Aug 10th 2022
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dems turned out at a higher rate than repubs in kansas
Aug 09th 2022
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legsdiamond
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1. "Handmaids Tale is here"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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Marbles
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2. "These clowns may just be getting started..."
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https://twitter.com/fordm/status/1540338064324698112?cxt=HHwWgICx4d7TsOAqAAAA

"In a solo concurring opinion, Thomas says the court should reconsider rulings that protect contraception, same-sex relationships and same-sex marriage."

  

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3. "That will only work"
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if and when cases are presented to the Supreme Court to counter the currently held rulings, correct?

If so, he's openly contradicting the supposed non-partisan and neutral stance the Supreme Court is supposed to take as the Judicial Branch of government.

Have to adore that fact Clarence Thomas is being so brazen in that regard.

Also have to imagine the conservative wheels are churning to make those Supreme Court cases a reality.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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Brew
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5. "I'm sure they have cases in the pipeline."
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shygurl
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6. "O, his wife helped undermine democracy with no consequences, he's good"
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Fri Jun-24-22 10:03 AM by shygurl

          

Fuck his rapist Uncle Tom ass.

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I hope you live a life you’re proud of. If you find that you’re not, I hope you have the strength to start all over again.

— F. Scott Fitzgerald

  

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Reeq
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7. "this was over a looooong time ago."
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>If so, he's openly contradicting the supposed non-partisan and
>neutral stance the Supreme Court is supposed to take as the
>Judicial Branch of government.

  

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Marbles
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10. "RE: That will only work"
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>if and when cases are presented to the Supreme Court to
>counter the currently held rulings, correct?
>
>If so, he's openly contradicting the supposed non-partisan and
>neutral stance the Supreme Court is supposed to take as the
>Judicial Branch of government.

Nah, he'll just say that these reconsiderations should be made on Constitutional grounds, not political grounds. He'll probably argue that since gay marriage and a right to privacy aren't specifically listed in the Constitution, there's no Constitutional right to either of those things.

  

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4. "Piece of shit always quoting himself."
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Why didn't he die.

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8. "Imagine being a republican/conservative."
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Like how do you walk thru your everyday life being such a horrific fucking ghoulish piece of shit and not wanting to jump off a bridge to save the world from you.

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9. "The Host Of Celebrity Apprentice...."
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I think future generations will look back at us in confusion and disgust at how we allowed the spoiled host of a celebrity gameshow to become President and pack a Supreme Court. Its still fucking wild to my brain that he even sniffed the White House, let alone destroyed the "highest court" in the land.

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11. "Even worse"
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is that some members in Congress still kowtow to him and his followers.

It is still surreal to me how much he hijacked the Republican party when he was initially treated as a sideshow joke before he won the Republican Party nomination.

I guess at some point, Trump still holding so much influence despite the countless examples of him being a total failure is a reflection on this country as a whole.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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Reeq
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13. "the email lady tried to warn us."
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niggas aint wanna listen.

these are the consequences of sitting out even just 1 election.

these far right republican judges are sitting on that court for a few more *decades*. arguably til the end of many of *our* lifetimes.

and the 6-3 supreme court is more likely to go 7-2 than it is to go 5-4.

we had 2 big ball games in 2000 and 2016...and people couldnt get their head out of their asses to vote 1 day and avoid these generational disasters even tho they were repeatedly warned by people who knew a lot better.

  

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Stadiq
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19. "they wouldn't have confirmed email lady's nominee"
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Fri Jun-24-22 11:17 AM by Stadiq

          

they were already saying shit like "8 is a good number" when it looked like she had it in the bag.

The GOP plays hard ball, Democrats roll over and scream vote. Well, and raise money off the issue.

You are right that more people should have held their nose and voted for the Dem...and I'll always say that.

But if we are going to play the blame game, lets ALSO blame


RBG (I know you agree)

The Democratic party for not running an actual primary in '16 and leaving our options as historically unpopular Ms Super Predators or a Socialist. (This includes any politician who sat out to be a good soldier for the party/Clintons...)

Obama for not being more forceful/loud about Russian interference in our election

Mrs Super Predators for not running a better campaign and actually losing to a reality star who was caught on tape admitting to sexual assault


...and more recently...


The Biden Admin/dems for not making court reform an absolute fucking priority in the wake of GOP hypocrisy on AKB and 1/6

The Biden Admin/dems for not forcefully calling for Thomas to resign

etc




>niggas aint wanna listen.
>
>these are the consequences of sitting out even just 1
>election.

So the mainstream Democrat line is "tough shit"? Thats the problem, too. A bunch of people turned out to vote in '20 and all the horrible shit Democrats said would happen if they lost is still fucking happening.

>
>these far right republican judges are sitting on that court
>for a few more *decades*. arguably til the end of many of
>*our* lifetimes.

So your team's plan is to roll over and to keep making the tired blue check "email lady" joke?

can we ever expect Democrats to fight back or nah?


>
>and the 6-3 supreme court is more likely to go 7-2 than it is
>to go 5-4.

Any kind of plan/strategy here, or are we sticking with email lady jokes?


>
>we had 2 big ball games in 2000 and 2016...and people couldnt
>get their head out of their asses to vote 1 day and avoid
>these generational disasters even tho they were repeatedly
>warned by people who knew a lot better.


Part of the story.


the other part is that Democrats value the appearance of shit like bipartisanship and sacred institutions then actual results.

This isn't just about 2 elections.


The GOP played the long game, and along the way some serious hardball...and our side's answer is to blame voters.

The "good guys" are going to have to fight back at some point. Not sure why its so much easier for people like you to blame voters 6 years ago than people in power right fucking now.

  

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Sofian_Hadi
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25. "I most def agree with the RBG thing"
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And i make it a point to shout it from the mountain tops at my "RBG can do no wrong" friends. She absolutely is to blame for part of this.

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Adwhizz
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54. "Because that's what they're paid to do."
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I've voted a straight Democrat ticket in every election since I've been old enough to vote. I plan to continue doing so since that's the best "choice" we're allowed to have

Corporate donor money flows to "electable" Democrats who are afraid of their own shadows, aren't going to rock the boat and cost the wrong people money

This has basically given us Democratic "leadership" who are woefully unequipped to combat the fuckery and doesn't stand for anything other than keeping the money coming in.


Even after this I have zero faith/hopes in the Democrats changing their strategy other than decideding to move further to the middle (right honestly) to try to sway the mythical "moderate" Republican and undecided voters.


>the other part is that Democrats value the appearance of shit
>like bipartisanship and sacred institutions then actual
>results.

>
>This isn't just about 2 elections.
>


>
>The GOP played the long game, and along the way some serious
>hardball...and our side's answer is to blame voters.
>
>The "good guys" are going to have to fight back at some point.
> Not sure why its so much easier for people like you to blame
>voters 6 years ago than people in power right fucking now.
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35. "she warned us, but also handpicked trump to run against?"
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which is it?

  

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38. "every republican president would have packed the court."
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not sure why you singled out trump.

  

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49. "is that the lady who refused to go back to Wisconsin and Michigan"
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and went into hiding the last month before the election?

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77. "Kind of convenient that the only solution is to vote D every cycle "
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Both 2000 and 2016 were subsequent to consecutive administrations

Is there any precedent for a 3rd consecutive party in the WH?

It's ironic that somehow Rs advance their agendas under D majorities... but I'm no expert

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79. "That's the other part, No party is going to win EVERY eleection"
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Democrats have been winning the popular vote in damn near every election since I can remember


They do need to actually take action and get shit done once you're actually voted in.

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12. "Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett committed perjury b/w DOJ ain’t $hit."
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15. "So nuts that a one term president got 3 Supreme Court Nominations. "
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16. "STOLE 3 Supreme Court Nominations "
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17. "I wish Obama would have flexed a little when they blocked Garland"
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When McConnell wouldn't proceed on Merrick Garland's nomination, all Obama did was shrug. One of my biggest gripe with Obama was is failure to ever grab his nuts and flex his muscle on the GOP. He was always trying to work within the lines with them, while they beat him over the head.

Sure, McConnell wasn't gonna fold on blocking Garland. But Obama should have found a way to make him pay for it somehow. Just something to piss the GOP off and let them know that he could throw heavy blows too.

I feel like Biden is falling in the same patterns.

  

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18. "There were less than 50 Dems in the Senate, realistically what could he ..."
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That means if there were less than 50, there were obviously less than 60, so there was no chance at all of beating the filibuster.

I'm just curious what were the things he could have done against McConnell?

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24. "Look, I get it..."
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There wasn't anything at all that Obama could do to stop McConnell from blocking that SC seat.

My problem with Obama (and the Democrats in general) is that they don't hit back. If someone hits you with a cheap shot, you gotta hit them right back. Or else they're gonna keep coming with cheap shots on you. They need to let the GOP that there are gonna be repercussions to their slick games.

Block the SC seat from Obama? OK, we'll forgive all student loans for HBCU alumni. Obviously, I'm joking with this one but my point remains. The Dems should have struck back in some way. And they should have explicitly let the GOP know that this one was for Garland.

  

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31. "Obama couldn't even talk sense into RBG..."
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...there's no way he could have done anything about the Turtle ..it would have been better for optics if he fought back harder i guess


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26. "^^^dems are not cut out for this"
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None of this should be surprise to anyone.

The list of reasons to investigate BART is looonngg.

Thomas's wife is over here coup plotting.

McConnel straight up rushed AKB through during a presidential election, violating his own made-up rule he used to block Garland.


But Democrats never make these the HUGE issues they should be.

Add in that the court has like 25% approval ratings and neither side likes lifetime appointments....


The case for reforming the court is right fucking there. And everyone knew what the results would be if they didn't.

So...you gotta wonder if Democrats wanted this result. You know some consultant told them they'd be able to raise a bunch of money, etc.


OR they really are just naive/incompetent morons.


And I know someone is itching to say a few things

"Manchin/Sinema!!!"

^^ Are democrats, thus included in critiques about democrats. And party leaders should have gotten them on board


"The GOP will just expand the court when they get in power!"

^^how is that different than our current situation??



"The court will become unstable, won't mean anything anymore"

^^ LMFAO good.



"Voters will punish Democrats for being bold and they will lose"

^^ LOLLLLLLL Democrats are about to get curbstomped anyway. In a couple years we are looking at President Desantis and GOP control of at least one if not two chambers...and a super majority right wing supreme court.


But I guess we can keep making "email lady" jokes as the books burn

  

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14. "sad thing, wasn't work...our side just didn't show up"
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We weren't concerned about the SC until it was too late. Hell, we're ignoring the checkmate in all this...Rs control 23 states, eleven are split. You need 38 to ratify amendments. (sure...sure...2/3 of Congress. not the most reassuring of stopgaps, given the current environment)

mofos keep staying home...mofos keep bitching about not liking candidates (people swear they didn't like 45, but he got more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016, cuz their side understand how this shit works) and we'll see how fucked we really are in about ten years.

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20. "Obviously this is on Republicans, but I low-key blame the far left too"
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Bernie was the original 'Stop the Steal' candidate if we're being honest.

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21. "RE: Obviously this is on Republicans, but I low-key blame the far left t..."
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Not true at all. I know there's anger, but don't point it at people that had nothing to do with this. Bernie wanted to expand healthcare and this is a women's health issue.

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27. "I'm not against his beliefs, tho I will argue against his competence."
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But Bernie's poor attitude and pettiness post primary loss to Clinton is the primer for how Trump and his folks acted in their primaries, and helped set the stage to embolden the current set of savages we have in power now.

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22. "lol"
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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34. "Jill Stein, baby "
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Thanks for doing your part

  

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23. "RE: Obviously this is on Republicans, but I low-key blame the far left t..."
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Funny..I heard Cameron's (Dead Poets Society) voice as I read your post

  

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29. "I high key blame religion & republicans..."
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...but sure, blame progressives lol



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39. ""biden 2024 y'all!""
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65. "hmmm...saw this on Twitter "
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https://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/planned-parenthood-bernie-sanders-218026

(worth noting that politico is now owned by a right wing wackodoo)

Planned Parenthood and other progressive groups are calling out Bernie Sanders for referring to them as “part of the establishment,” saying the Vermont senator needs to show a more explicit commitment to women’s reproductive health.

“It’s a little ridiculous to call an organization Congress and Republican presidential candidates have spent six months attacking ‘establishment’ — especially when Planned Parenthood health centers are out there every day ensuring millions of often marginalized Americans have access to basic reproductive health care,” Dawn Laguens, executive vice president of Planned Parenthood Action Fund told POLITICO in an email.

Laguens said she was “disappointed” in Sanders’ comments.

“It’s regrettable and surprising to hear Sen. Sanders describe the very groups that fight on behalf of millions of often marginalized Americans — people who still have to fight for their most basic rights — as representing the ‘establishment,’” Laguens said.

On Tuesday night, MSNBC host Rachel Maddow asked Sanders why Hillary Clinton was getting so many high-profile progressive endorsements when Sanders’ stance on issues like gay rights and reproductive choice “are very consistent, they should be very attractive to progressive groups.”

Planned Parenthood Action Fund, NARAL Pro-Choice America and the Human Rights Campaign have all endorsed Clinton. Planned Parenthood’s endorsement is the first presidential endorsement in its century-long history.
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“Are you competing for those groups’ endorsements and not getting them, or are you not trying to get them?” Maddow asked.

“I would love to have the endorsement of every progressive organization,” Sanders said, pointing to the endorsements he has received. “I have friends and supporters in the human rights fund and Planned Parenthood. But you know what? Hillary Clinton has been around for a very, very long time. Some of these groups are, in fact, part of the establishment,” Sanders said.

Deirdre Schifeling, executive director for Planned Parenthood Action Fund, said many people at the organization were surprised by the comments because the Vermont senator has long been a supporter of abortion rights and women’s reproductive health. But flags were raised after Sanders released his health care plan on Sunday that would transition into a single-payer Medicare-for-all system.

The idea to increase access to health care was good, but there was something noticeably missing for those at Planned Parenthood: any mention of women’s reproductive rights, Schifeling told POLITICO.

“The problem is that by omitting reproductive health and rights, you run the risk of significantly rolling back the progress we’ve made over the past seven years,” Schifeling said. “If you expand Medicare without repealing the Hyde Amendment, millions of women will lose insurance coverage for abortion. And as we’ve seen with the Affordable Care Act, unless the administration explicitly specifies that birth control must be covered, women may not have access to a full range of birth control and preventive services.”

HRC and NARAL also expressed frustration over the comments.

“We share @PPact‘s disappointment in Sanders’ attacks. @HRC has proudly taken on the establishment & fought for LGBT people for over 30 years,” HRC tweeted Wednesday.
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“When we allow a minority of legislators to have control over the majority of American women, things get very bad,” Ilyse Hogue, the NARAL president said during a press call Wednesday. “Unfortunately, directly in opposition to Bernie’s unfortunate comments last night on Rachel Maddow, the anti-choice minority has become the establishment at state legislatures and is becoming the establishment at our federal level.”

The hastag #Imsoestablishment also popped up on Twitter after Sanders’ comments. According to a spokesman from Twitter, that hashtag had already been used 4,000 times as of Wednesday afternoon and continued to grow.

Clinton and her team attempted to use the comments to her advantage Wednesday. “Really Senator Sanders? How can you say that groups like @PPact and @HRC are part of the “establishment” you’re taking on? –H” Clinton tweeted.

Former President Bill Clinton brought it up in New Hampshire on the trail Wednesday. “Hillary does not consider Planned Parenthood a member of the establishment, and I don’t see how anybody else could,” he said.

“Fighting for health, reproductive rights and LGBT rights is the establishment? Proud that @PPact & @HRC stand with @HillaryClinton,” campaign chairman John Podesta tweeted Wednesday.

Her rapid response director also dove into the topic, tweeting out a follow up piece from MSNBC that had his communications director saying, “He said it better than I could.” “wow, Sanders camp doubles down on “taking on” Planned Parenthood. #ImWithHer,” Jesse Lehrich tweeted Wednesday.

And Wednesday night Clinton spokesman Brian Fallon appeared on MSNBC to continue the discussion about comments he deemed “offensive.” “It is demeaning to suggest that these organizations that are committed to fending off challenges to access to women’s health on the one hand and in the case of HRC promoting marriage equality to suggest that these are protectors of some status quo. These are champions for progressive ideals where there is still a lot of work to be done,” Fallon said. “These are not representative of the establishment.”

Both candidates have been drawing sharper contrasts with one another as the race tightens. She is just 4 percent ahead of him in Iowa , and he holds an 11 percent lead on her in New Hampshire , according to RealClearPolitics polling averages.

As the back-and-forth between the two heats up, some of Clinton’s supporters have also taken to insulting Sanders for his outsider status. “Here in the heartland, we like our politicians in the mainstream, and he is not — he’s a socialist,” said Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon in a New York Times article Tuesday. “He’s entitled to his positions, and it’s a big-tent party, but as far as having him at the top of the ticket, it would be a meltdown all the way down the ballot.”
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Clinton pollster dismisses ‘outlier’ New Hampshire poll

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Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill, meanwhile, said that Republicans would tie him to the Communist party. “The Republicans won’t touch him because they can’t wait to run an ad with a hammer and sickle,” said McCaskill in The Times.

Clinton’s pollster Joel Benenson, speaking on MSNBC’s “Andrea Mitchell Reports” on Wednesday, said that the Republican Party was trying to “prop up Bernie Sanders” because they’d rather run against him than Clinton. “I think what Democrats are saying is the Republicans are just licking their chops here to get a shot at Bernie Sanders in November,” Benenson said.

The Sanders campaign did not respond to requests for comment.

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74. "Did you read it?"
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He said SOME of the organizations
HRC hop skipped and jumped to ..(pearl clutch) how could you say that about planned Parenthood
= He didn't
A lot of Bernie bashing in this post...and ya'll wonder why we keep losing

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80. "lmao"
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because I know you are serious

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28. "btw the majority of white women voted for this."
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it wont be mentioned in the media coverage.

but all of this backsliding of civil rights, historical norms, legal protections/precedents, moral principles, etc...

the majority of white people are voting for these outcomes.

the only ethnic demographic where thats true.

which is why these things are even happening in the first place.

  

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30. "This was the only reason most of them even went out to vote..."
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...hopefully they stay the fuck home on election day now this fringe issue is off the table





  

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32. "republicans are gonna run on a national abortion ban."
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and those voters are gonna be motivated to come out and vote for that too.

they (along with their media ecosystem) know how to keep their base motivated to turn out for each and every election.

  

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36. "its already starting."
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https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1540345323264016385

so much for pretending it was about states rights (and the media pretending to fall for it).

  

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40. "Exactly. And then it will be "Family Values" going after contraception,"
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same sex marriage, etc...

>and those voters are gonna be motivated to come out and vote
>for that too.
>
>they (along with their media ecosystem) know how to keep their
>base motivated to turn out for each and every election.
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43. "Nobody is actively working to disenfranchise those voters"
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>they (along with their media ecosystem) know how to keep their
>base motivated to turn out for each and every election.
>

Republicans embrace and cowtow to their base, mainly because they are afraid of their base

the other part of that is once the Republicans get in power they actually have long term goals and actual strategy/action to find ways to get that done.

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37. "About time you called them out"
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41. "huh? i been calling out white people on this shit all the time."
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https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13439863&mesg_id=13439863&listing_type=search#13449438

you were literally in that post a few replies under me lol.

  

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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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33. "Bernie’s legacy "
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Don’t threaten me with the Supreme Court

  

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yeah... Bernie's legacy indeed.

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45. "This country is a dumpster fire"
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Are there worse places to live? Of course. But oh how the mighty have fallen since 2016. Fucking pathetic. Republicans are evil morons and Democrats are pussies.

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47. "my perception of america and remaining minimally content to live here"
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has basically dwindled down to me being able to walk outside and not be hit with a missile or killed in cold blood in the street.

seriously.

i look at third world war torn countries just to find some way to count my blessings and still feel fortunate to live here.

  

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51. "RE: my perception of america and remaining minimally content to live her..."
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>has basically dwindled down to me being able to walk outside
>and not be hit with a missile or killed in cold blood in the
>street.

Well you got one of those at least. Copenhagen looks dope.

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52. "Same."
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>RE: my perception of america and remaining minimally content to live here
>has basically dwindled down to me being able to walk outside
>and not be hit with a missile or killed in cold blood in the
>street.
>
>seriously.
>
>i look at third world war torn countries just to find some way
>to count my blessings and still feel fortunate to live here.

But even all of that could change, quickly.

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92. "It was all good before 2016, huh? OK Player, lmaoooo"
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Just how white ARE you?

  

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133. "Where did I say that?"
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You can't deny that shit has taken a major turn for the worse in the last 6 years. That's all I'm saying.

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161. "shit has been this bad loooong before 2016. "
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But I'm a Black man from a working poor background so my America might be different than yours

  

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46. "national media deserves a ton of blame too."
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because they refuse to cover actual government (states, legislation, etc) and only focus on shit when it reaches its absolute hottest boiling point and brings in ratings...instead of exposing/informing the public to reality along the way.

when people foretold all the horrific shit trump and republican majority supreme court would unleash...national medias attitude was 'stop overreacting'.

like this goofy ass cnn nigga...
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(oddly enough...hes in charge of covering the media)

but if they just focused even a fraction of their time on what republican governments have been doing for years in the states...they would know that this is exactly where things were headed. i mean...shit...republicans literally ran on putting judges on the supreme court who would strike down roe v wade. it takes an entire compliant media to convince millions of americans that its just lip service and they wont carry out their goal.

  

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50. "Received a text to donate to fight this immediately"
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140. "And that's honestly the part that makes me the angriest"
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People talk about elected Democrats like they're just naive and incompetent but they've proved to be EXTREMELY competent and coordinated when it comes to fundraising efforts and winning primaries but suddenly turn into the Washington Generals once they have to actually face off against Republicans

It was leaked months ago this was going to happen and instead of spending time coming up with a legislative strategy to combat this or publicly speaking out against this they used that time to come up with efforts to make more money

These are not honest actors, they do not represent the will of the people who keep getting them elected.

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53. "We need to accept that more Americans wanted this "
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than those who didnt.

and if the reverse is true it just means they wanted it more than we did.

Also, Dems ain’t shit. They are more concerned with donations and probably hope this will help them energize the base for the midterms.

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55. "republicans have only won the popular vote once since 1988."
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and that was with an incumbent president who originally lost the popular vote but was handed the office by the supreme court in a decision that was so extreme and outside the norm that they explicitly stated it shouldnt be a precedent and should never be done again lol.

the majority of americans clearly dont want this shit.

which is the problem.

the court (and the party that appointed the majority of it) are increasingly acting against the will of the majority of the citizens.

  

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142. " a lot of Black voters are conservative Dems "
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58. "Senate Dems represent (I think) more than 40 million people than Senate ..."
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When the people say this current government is rule by the minority, they absolutely mean that. In Texas the Republicans just passed a party line to indicate they want an electoral college for state representation, which would further place more power in the hands of rural savages. I think the Ohio? Wisconsin? (some fly over state) Republicans removed the word democracy from their mission statement.

At this point, democracy is truly on the brink, and we are a hair's length from straight up authoritarian rule, democracy be damned.

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71. "yea, without an impossible to foresee wake up call"
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The blood drunk cultists are gonna fuck around and let their governors transform legislatures from representatives to simply promising to consider whatever the plebes have on their minds. Then it'll become a constant guessing game whether whoever you're voting into office even means the 25% of what they say on the campaign that they used to or they've got some secret LeBron handshake with the Federalist Society or the NRA or Trump Jr. or Amazon to pass this or that measure whether the people want it or not. If the FIRST step in some of these states is moving to shift the certification of electoral college electors to determine THE PRESIDENT from whatever the popular vote decides to however the current legislature feels about the outcome of said popular vote, how could anyone care if they take that power for themselves in every other aspect of "states' rights".


It's not the cynicism that shocks me, it's that the people who care about the issues they're being baited with are so doped up on whataboutisms, Pelosi memes and a need to get wins over people they feel culturally bullied and intellectually lorded over that they really don't care about this other stuff, it's all so short term for most of their most passionate voters.


To the point you've got women like @Burnitdown from Georgia I referenced a couple weeks ago who's in Marge T-Greene's district and influential enough in her local Republican party that she's got legitimate candidates delivering speeches to backyard BBQ crowds at her own home while her garage is full of shredded up legal files from a local government office she swears will prove the election was stolen and she spends her free time staring at a tree wondering if it's actually a tree or she's just been led to believe it's a tree by the elites.


These people are stoking and taking advantage of mentally unstable people who can't process being marginalized in even the slightest of ways and it's really sad...but even just putting it like that 'cause I can't think of a more polite way, my upper-lower class ass is the "Elite" these Yale Law School trolls are telling them to be mad at.


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68. "In most of the credible polling I've seen on this, ~60-65% of Americans"
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didn't want Roe overturned. So I think this is actually a case of a religious minority exerting its will on the majority (which incidentally is always something the GOP whines about).

But since this now remands the abortion issue to the states, it'll be interesting to see how that plays out. It looks like essentially half of the states will ban abortions to varying degrees.

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86. "Right, it's *not* true that the majority of Americans wanted this."
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Polling has shown that for a long time.

And the majority of Americans didn't elect the president that put these justices on the bench either.

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75. "I don’t think this is true"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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56. "Women need to get on that Chiraq"
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I think of the gumption that the women/house aid workers of the Montgomery Bus Boycott and really want to have that level of solidarity among us on these types of issues. We need to boycott the companies/organizations that make things like this even possible.

I'm not a woman, but I would suggest closing shop until you get what you want here. Just a suggestion.

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57. "??? white women voted for this...???"
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59. "basically. 94% of black women voted for Hillary."
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Don't blame this on all women.

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60. "Voting isn't enough"
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I don't want it to be this way... but that's what we're seeing.

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62. "Voting is the most powerful tool in our arsenal."
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If more people voted we wouldn't be in this situation and all other forms of protesting wouldn't be needed.

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64. "I didn't say not to vote..."
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...but again, it's proving to not be enough to prevent the deluge. I heard they will effectively dismantle the EPA next week with another SCOTUS decision. Waiting until November or the election cycle after that is not fast enough to effect the changes we need now.

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66. "*takes bait* Ok, so what is the answer?"
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How do you propose we fight this immediately?

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70. "RE: *takes bait* Ok, so what is the answer?"
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Well, we definitely would want a strong voice to unify behind, but that seems to be in short supply. I'm a big proponent of boycotting entities that go against my interests, so we would want to identify who put these justices on the court (where the money is coming from) and begin systematically boycotting their services and/or products.

One place to possibly start is see who's advertising on Faux "News" and avoid those products as a start. Spread the word and then see what happens from there. We must HURT their pockets or it's business as usual and there will be no change. Hit dogs will holler.

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76. "More people need to vote "
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Young people especially.

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78. "people on twitter comparing voting to thoughts and prayers"
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dumb take olympics over there today

  

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61. "don't worry. Nancy got this"
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https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1540353602274959361

  

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63. "RE: don't worry. Nancy got this"
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I'm sure her endorsement for Cuellar(pro-life House-Dem) in TX lets her rest easy at night.

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67. "Remember when the GOP kept crying about "activist judges"?"
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This SC will go down as the most extremist, activist Court in SCOTUS history. And they're not even close to being done. Thomas openly stated that this decision means the Court needs to revisit other cases related to personal/individual rights, privacy & bodily autonomy -- including contraceptive rights and LGBQT rights. Not only is this decision a violation of fundamental rights - but it signifies a stunning victory for hard-line religious extremists who have successfully merged church with state.

Also, for years now we've heard people protesting for bodily autonomy and medical freedom as it pertains to vaccines, but many of those same people are championing this decision which is the most egregious violation of bodily integrity. This is where it matters what principles a society ascribes to its people. Most are so helplessly lost in their ideology that they don't even know what they stand up for and just sway in the wind of their party platform.

This is also going to create so many surveillance/privacy violations in our lives. This decision effectively gives the states the power to enforce abortion bans, which means some states will go so far as permitting surveillance into a woman's medical records, criminalizing inter-state travel to receive abortion/health care, and expanding police powers to the states whereby even getting a plan b bill could be a felony. It some states, we may very well see Handmaid's Tale type regression.

Of course the GOP is to blame here, but the Dems inability to mount any meaningful resistance against this encroachment into our basic civil liberties is beyond pathetic. The way they folded with Merrick Garland - only to provide zero fight against Trump's nominees was indicative of just how little backbone they have. They're getting bodied right now by GOP bullies. But of course they'll use this as a fundraising blitz while offering nothing substantive to stop this madness.




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69. "Biden's response was a bit weak..."
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In progressive circles it was floated that he could make Federal land available in the affected states for the health services being attacked.

I didn't hear anything but "...put it back on the voters." in this election year. That's not the leadership that's needed at this time with all the voter suppression and tactics being used by the right. The sense of urgency is woefully underwhelming if that's all he has to say right now. We knew about this for months.

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72. "Virginia was the first form of government in the entire world "
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to issue legislation that separated church from state.
That Virginian legislation was later added to the US Bill of Rights.

That law was inspired by a letter written by Thomas Jefferson, who
stated that there needs to be a wall between religion and government.

Well, that wall of separation was just destroyed.

For the past decade or so, government has slowly been influenced by
religion, and the rights of the American people are being thrown away
because of it.

There is no longer constitutional protection for abortion, and the government
now has a firm grip on the reproductive rights of women.


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73. "I’m numb…"
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i am fearful of my granddaughter’s and any young woman’s future. I hope this motivate people to VOTE…






  

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81. "I'mma keep this short and sweet ('cause y'all know me & I know y'all)"
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You slip - they advance

The left slipped in 2000 and 2016 AND THEY REALLY ADVANCED


Y'all far-lefties want to battle Moderates/hold grudges (Bernie or Bust)


They advance

Battle all you want about the "right" to internal battle - they advance

  

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82. "Leahy, Durbin, Schumer, Pelosi, Feinstein...have held office for decades..."
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How about holding the people in office accountable...?

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84. "...and what wouldn't they have done....."
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....if there was no left rebellion in 2000 and 2016?


The people you mentioned were REBELLED against in 2000 and 2016.

  

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90. "Biden's been in office longer than I've been alive"
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Point being... I'm seeing the blame being deflected...to everything other than the Ds that have been in office through this whole $hitshow
...and appear incompetent at enacting the will of the people...
Majorities are on their side IRT policy
They win majorities in national elections
Are those in office for their entire adult life not part of the problem?
Politicians being challenged decades ago, still retaining their seat/power, and having the current results... not part of the problem?

Do you really expect people to get excited to vote MORE D in the midterms...?

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91. "Obama did Affordable Care, Biden did Infastructure, Obama put 2"
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on the Supreme Court

Biden just signed a gun law that trump said takes away guns (meaning trump wouldn't have signed the bill)

Pelosi made sure the January 6th committee wasn't derailed by not accepting Jordan, Greene, etc.

That means:

ALL the stuff I listed, progressives will say: "yeah, but that is just..."

So...

Progressives will always hold out the goalposts for something else than what OBAMA AND BIDEN AND PELOSI ARE ACTUALLY DOING (HAVE DONE)

  

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95. "...and yet here we are."
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About 10% of Americans have no health care coverage...and those who are covered are still being fleeced
I don't even know how to address Biden's s infrastructure... inflation is already crippling that project... which is a 5 year plan...right...?
You do realize the 1.6 committee has no prosecutorial power...?
= Where's the W for the midterms

We've seen this movie before
Rs move the country to the brink of calamity
Ds campaign off of that
...rinse wash repeat...

+1, the supreme court expanded permits in NY, and while red flag laws that have been needed for decades are a good thing, that got checked by the court

You really want Ds campaigning on healthcare, infrastructure and guns for the midterm...?

FR?

i.e. Roe v Wade was a 50 year strategy
What's the D strategy? (which currently has the WH and a majority in Congress)
They appear unprepared to respond to the Roe V Wade decision, even though it was leaked almost 2 months ago
I watched Pelosi sing God bless America
and Biden talking about the G7 and Angola...in the immediate wake

Expand the court they said...
Dismantle the filibuster they said...
...and here we are.

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96. "As I've said before A MILLION TIMES, "where are YOU and "
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...people like YOU, if YOU have so much complaints about the the Dems are doing?"

YOU and THOSE LIKE YOU have no problem being there for the REBELLION

WHAT ABOUT BEFORE THE REBELLION?

i.e. get the Dem candidates to "win" primaries who will do more than Obama or Pelose or Biden

if you can't, THAT'S YOU AND THOSE LIKE YOU


>i.e. Roe v Wade was a 50 year strategy
>What's the D strategy? (which currently has the WH and a
>majority in Congress?
>
>Expand the court they said...
>Dismantle the filibuster they said...
>...and here we are.

  

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97. "Right, which is the party line I'm hearing "
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Blame the voters.
You can't be serious...

We need more turnout
We need more people to come out and vote...

We just did that.

If action can't be achieved when you have the WH and Congress...WTF more can I do...?

I vote
I voted for the D nominee
...and yet here we are.

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99. "if you think someone is better, you work for that candidate and..."
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...you take the results as what they are and you keep working for whatever candidates have the best program WITHIN THE PARTY.

Saying: "These current slate elected people couldn't do 'this or that' so REBEL" isn't an option.

  

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101. "Fuck your party."
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103. "Literally that's all you are about. Anybody that thought anything else"
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...wasn't really seeing the OBVIOUS


It should have been clear to anyone reading your posts ALL YOU AND THOSE LIKE YOU JUST WANT TO REBEL

yep

  

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85. "The slipping started in 2000 ?"
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No slipping in 1980 with the Reagan Democrats ?

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87. "Ted Kennedy, George McGovern, Adlai Stephenson..."
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"progressives" have been shooting themselves in the foot throughout the modern political age.

  

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89. "Yeah they were no match for Hillary and Gore"
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93. "Bill Clinton made the Democratic Party the GOP, but gay & in cities"
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this is a long term failure by the dems. Decades and decades of doing the wrong thing, over and over again.

  

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98. "People who disagree with Bill Clinton or anyone else have to win"
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primaries

If you can't, that's YOU - not Bill Clinton.

  

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100. "Tell me one political goal that you have had as a democrat "
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in the past 30 years that has been actually accomplished.

I know smug failure is the liberal democrat voter signature DNA, but given that you support Roe v Wade (I'm assuming), and that signature legislation just got overturned, with Dems in full control of congress and the presidency, you can't pin this shit on progressives who the party refuse to share power with. There also needs to be some serious self-reflection about this failure.

And if you can't humble yourself to acknowledge the failure, you're gonna keep spinning your wheels in white fake confusion.




  

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104. "Bernie or Bust - I CAN PIN IT ON PROGRESSIVES"
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2000 and 2016

  

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105. "well, that just means you're a fucking idiot."
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107. "Ds didn't have the WH continuously for 30 years...so it's your fault "
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WTF

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117. "LOL this is a special kind of denialism"
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Anything to protect the status-quo holders who've actually held power for decades. I'm sure Nancy & Chuck appreciate your undying fealty while you place blame on any and everyone not in power.

What's next? Blaming Jimmy Carter?

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120. "voters apparently protect the status quo too. yall seem to ignore them."
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for some reason you expect the party to be handed over to people who dont win in the competitive places where governing majorities are built.

i think more time should be spent winning over more voters on the left so a national candidate that you support can actually win a primary.

dont you agree?

  

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144. "It would be helpful to stop looking at this like a zero sum game"
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If there's a close primary - for example - you don't just dismiss the losing candidate (and all of their supporters) because you won by a slim margin. You build a coalition.

The problem with a lot of Dem thinking is that they just outright dismiss any challenge to the orthodoxy - no matter how substantial or ascendant that challenge may be. If you look at a country like Germany - they've effectively built coalitions on the left whereby currently they are governed by a coalition government of liberals, social democrats & greens. Here, Dems adopt a winner-takes-all approach which only serves to further alienate segments of the electorate that should be natural allies to the party.

  

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109. "aint it funny how they shit on folks that won two straight terms"
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but think the way forward is to run like the candidate who lost two straight primaries?

  

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111. "ain't it funny how ya'll deflect blame onto message board posters "
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114. "name a candidate who embodies your positions the most."
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116. "You think making this about me is a W?"
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I'd vote for Ro Khanna
Pramila Jayapal
or Katie Porter
and AOC is the only hope I see for the future of your party

Now that I played your little game... answer my question

WTF does that have to do with a plan/strategy to respond to Roe V Wade being over turned

Other than you have no answer besides vote democrat

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121. "none of those people have even won a statewide race."
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122. "WTF does that have to do with a strategy heading into the midterms?"
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You've established the fact that I'm not a supporter of the status quo Ds

Kewl

WTF does that have to do with a response to the over turning of Roe V Wade and a strategy heading into the midterms?

Seems like all you have is deflections about me...?

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131. "Dude's a paid shill. "
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He ain't got his talking pts yet, so he's gonna be all over the place.

  

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139. "respectfully, there's no use going back and forth with him. "
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his family ain't even from here, if things get overwhelming he can easily pack up and leave. this is all fun for him.

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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113. "bill clinton saved the democratic party from national irrelevance."
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and multiple electoral college blowouts that came from running the type of candidates yall want democrats to run like.

why cant *yall* ever point to someone you like who actually wins? lol.

  

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126. "True Indeed"
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The Sista Souljah attack, repealed Glass–Steagall, part of the DLC, welfare reform..... and on and on and on

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127. "telecom act, crime bill, NAFTA, pharma bills..."
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you can trace just about every thing wrong with modern America to the Clinton Admin...and the Dems treat that admin like the gold standard.

  

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88. "suck"
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they didn't have anything better to do. all this shit going on and they had to go back in time for this.

  

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94. "historic victory for white life"
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132. "their tongues will fall on themselves....."
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Black and Latino women will suffer the consequences of these decisions.

Its time to stop the promiscuity or you gonna die.
Its done. Its the law they not turning it around.

So you either gonna stop the hot girl summer and plan b and close your legs and be FNF FOR REAL or you gonna die just like they keep saying. the coat hanger ppl are not lying.

Black women dying over ass shots. The ass shot ppl gonna do back room abortions too.

This is what it is....now what is the next step? Dont get pregnant bc options have slimmed and getting on a back room table is death.

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102. "Impeach the Justices for perjury (c) AOC"
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First semblance of a plan
and one I can support
...what will the party do...?

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106. "I don’t think that’s a real plan"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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108. "Better get something on the books before the end of summer"
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Short of some of these folks wearing orange jumpsuits by the fall...
... looks like a bloodbath coming in the midterms.
What is the strategy/plan?

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110. "its fantasy shit. from somebody in congress who should know better."
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she said biden should open up federal land and do abortions there.

like the hyde amendment doesnt exist and the federal funds are literally/specifically prohibited from going anywhere near abortion treatment.

  

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112. "Compared to what?"
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Can't claim to be caught off guard by a 50 year strategy
What's the plan from Dems?

Won't expand the court
Won't dismantle the filibuster
Sheeeeiitt, they won't even exchange the electoral college for a popular vote

Ya'll aren't short on excuses though

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115. "compared to reality. what does this even mean lol:"
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>Sheeeeiitt, they won't even exchange the electoral college for
>a popular vote

  

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118. "RE: 2000 and 2016"
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Ds lost, while winning the popular vote
Is there any movement on discarding the electoral college and using the popular vote for national elections?

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119. "what do you think the process for 'discarding' the electoral college is?"
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im really curious to hear your answer lol.

  

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123. "From the 'my party supports popular policies' guy"
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https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/01/27/majority-of-americans-continue-to-favor-moving-away-from-electoral-college/

You know exactly what it means...and go fuck yourself

Can't even feign an attempt at answering direct questions

I've answered every one of your questions which have devolved into me being the problem

...let me help you with that...

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128. "I don't know how you do it"
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Going back and forth with these bootlickers is a full-time job at this point and it looks more and more likely that at least one of them is literally on the clock to do it. I hope Reeq is clocking Over-Time at least...better get paid to cape like this otherwise the shit is hilarisad.

Imagine caping for a bunch of old white millionaires who clearly don't give a shit about you...this much. I can't even fathom it. A few folks around here stick up for Nancy like she's their wealthy aunt and they are hoping to get in on the will.


None of them have answered you and they never will.

No strategy other than complain about elections 6 years and 22 years ago. Oh and vote harder.

They also love to put folks in the progressive/Bernie Bro box...not realizing that some of us are just calling for Democrats to fucking fight back.

That's it. Fight back. Give people a fucking reason to vote for you other than GOP bad and infrastucture.

Fucking fight. All the shit you raise money off of? Fight for.

Thats it.


This isn't M4A or debt forgiveness etc. Only people bringing up Bernie is overly-defensive democrat stans/employees.

Just fucking fight back.


The absolute best case scenario about the current Dem leadership is that they care more about the appearance that these institutions are working and remain sacred than actual results...while our society crumbles.

That is the absolute best case version here. That they just love the idea of life-long Supreme Court justices and the fillibuster and all of that shit.

That they are stuck in 1992.


That is the best case scenario and these bootlickers can't even admit that.


The reality is that they are looking more and more complicit in this shit.


Either way it is increasingly clear that Joe Biden was not the guy for this. Anyone who says he was is just a fucking idiot or going for employee of the year or some shit.


He may fuck around and end up taking the crown as worst (last?) Dem president of modern times.


Democrats should absolutely be attacking the SC as illegitimate and right wing and should be screaming from every possible angle why the court must be reformed ASAP.

They should have done this starting January 7 2021...but better late than never.


Women literally have fewer rights than they did a few days ago...people will actually die from this...and grown men are in here talking about Bill Clinton saved the party and shit lol lol


Always looking to the past- Bernie, 2016 voters, 2000 voters, Bill Clinton (lol lol)


But no plan or thoughts for right fucking today.


Democrats are going to raise some money off of this...eventually start talking about deficit reduction, giving more money to the police, refuse to commit to any actual reforms, etc....and get curb stomped.


And the usual suspects around here will excuse it...refuse to expect more of their leaders...and ultimately find a way to blame Bernie or progressives or whatever.


I can't imagine being that loyal to a fucking sports team, let alone a group of 70 year old + millionaires.





  

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129. "Appreciate your reply "
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I got my answer
In the posts below
Warren has identified 2 senate races that need to be won
She has presented some semblance of a strategy
But yeah, I don't get it either

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130. "Appreciate your reply "
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I got my answer
In the posts below
Warren has identified 2 senate races that need to be won
She has presented some semblance of a strategy
But yeah, I don't get it either

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134. "I second that emotion (c) Ilhan Omar"
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https://mobile.twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1541093488267350018?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1541093488267350018%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.commondreams.org%2Fnews%2F2022%2F06%2F27%2Filhan-omar-says-plan-fix-supreme-court-must-include-impeachment-probes

So far we've gotten action items from
Warren
AOC
and Ilhan Omar

... where's Nancy and Kamala...

Kinda weird that this ruling is being presented as a 50 year R strategy
... which leaked 2 months ago...
and there's no counter from the top of the D party
WTF?

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124. "It appears the strategy is to make abolishing the filibuster the white g..."
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test for midterm Senate races
Since the resident democratic national ballwashers can't be moved to discuss actually stategy

Warren and Smith op-ed

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/25/opinion/elizabeth-warren-tina-smith-abortion-roe.html

For nearly 50 years, right-wing extremists rejected the beliefs held by an overwhelming majority of Americans. They doubled and redoubled their efforts to create a future in which women and their doctors could face a prison sentence for seeking or providing basic health care. When these extremists couldn’t impose their radical views through the legislative process, they stacked the courts. And now that the Supreme Court has opened the door by overturning Roe, Republicans will continue their assault on our civil rights and liberties.

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Former Vice President Mike Pence called for a national ban on abortion in all 50 states; Mitch McConnell, the Senate minority leader, flat out stated that it’s a possibility. And the logic laid out by the majority in Dobbs seems to undercut other precedents, raising the alarming possibility that we could soon see an assault on privacy and marriage equality.

In order to fix the damage Republicans have done to our system in their efforts to control women’s lives, we need broad democracy reform: changing the composition of the courts, reforming Senate rules like the filibuster, and even fixing the outdated Electoral College that allowed presidential candidates who lost the popular vote to take office and nominate five of the justices who agreed to end the right to an abortion.

We can’t undo in five months the damage it took Republicans five decades to accomplish, but we can immediately start repairing our democracy. The public is overwhelmingly on our side. A vast majority of Americans oppose the decision the Supreme Court just made. Nearly two-thirds of Americans believe that abortion should be legal in all or most cases. And more Americans describe themselves as pro-choice today than at any other point in the last 25 years.

Let’s be clear: Roe may be gone, but the protections it once guaranteed are on the ballot. States like Kansas and Kentucky have initiatives to strip away state constitutional protections for abortion, while Michigan and Vermont are working toward statewide votes to create constitutional protections for reproductive freedom. But make no mistake, this radical decision affects all Americans, not just those in states where the right to a safe, legal abortion will soon fall.

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Now is the time to demand that every single candidate for every single office voice a firm position on reproductive rights. Ask every Senate candidate to commit to reforming the filibuster rules, so that the chamber can pass federal legislation protecting the right to reproductive freedom. If voters help us maintain our control of the House and expand our majority in the Senate by at least two votes this November, we can make Roe the law all across the country as soon as January.

Simply put: We must restore our democracy so that a radical minority can no longer drown out the will of the people. This will be a long, hard fight, and the path to victory is not yet certain. But it’s a righteous fight that we must win — no matter how long it takes. The two of us lived in an America without Roe, and we are not going back. Not now. Not ever.

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125. "lawmakers suggest the following actions for the President’s considerat..."
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Increasing access to medication abortion. Federal agencies could take steps to increase the accessibility of medication abortion and ensure the wide availability of accurate information about medication abortion.
Providing resources for individuals seeking abortion care in other states. Federal agencies could explore opportunities to provide vouchers for travel, child care services, and other forms of support for individuals seeking to access abortion care that is unavailable in their home state.
Establishing a reproductive health ombudsman at the Department of Health and Humans Services (HHS). A new ombudsman could educate the public and analyze data collected by HHS about access to reproductive services. For example, this office could gather information about insurers’ coverage of reproductive health services (such as contraception); disseminate information about how individuals could connect with Title X clinics, reproductive health clinics, and abortion funds; and provide the public with safety information related to self-managed abortions outside formal medical settings.
Enforcing “Free Choice of Provider” requirements. HHS could explore more aggressively enforcing federal requirements that guarantee Medicaid beneficiaries have the ability to seek family planning services from their provider of choice.
Clarifying protections for sensitive health and location data. HHS’s Office for Civil Rights could clarify how websites or mobile applications that collect information related to reproductive health (such as period trackers) should protect personally identifiable information and other sensitive data, especially given the risks presented by the sale of this data in states that criminalize reproductive decision-making.
Using federal property and resources to increase access to abortion. The Department of Justice and all relevant agencies could analyze the types of reproductive health services that could be provided on federal property, especially in states where such services are limited by state law or regulation. The Department of Defense could assess the feasibility of moving military personnel and their families and any authority to ensure that members and their families can access reproductive health care when they need it. The Office of Personnel Management could explore requirements that all federal employees are provided paid time off and reimbursement for expenses necessary to access abortion. And all federal agencies—including those who retain custody or control over individuals or provide healthcare to them—could conduct a review of their regulations and policies that limit abortion care and other reproductive health services and promulgate new regulations that expand access to those services.

(c) Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and Patty Murray (D-Wash.)Tammy Baldwin (D-Wisc.); Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.); Cory Booker (D-N.J.); Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio); Maria Cantwell (D-Wash.); Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.); Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.); Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.); Maggie Hassan (D-N.H.); Martin Heinrich (D-N.M.); Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.); Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.); Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.); Christopher Murphy (D-Conn.); Alex Padilla (D-Calif.); Jacky Rosen (D-Nev.); Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.); Brian Schatz (D-Hawaiʻi); Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.); Tina Smith (D-Minn.); Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.); Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.); and Ron Wyden (D-Ore.).

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135. "Can one of yall explain how abortion is a black issue?"
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It's known the basic premise Roe v Wade is based upon a racist lie by a member of the lgbt community. Set that aside for now.

Set Margot Sanger and Planned Parenthood aside for now.

Set racist liberals calling Clarence Thomas the n word aside for now.

Can someone explain why the black community should support and protest this issue?

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

"root for everybody black haters say that's crazy, wow..."

  

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137. "Because it's bigger than just a black issue....."
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Not everything has to go through this filter.

Black women are WOMEN correct?

They still get raped, molested, have pregnancy complications or just want to have agency over their bodies right?

Then there's your answer right there.

This is a slippery slope. We let this shit go unchecked and without a hard pushback and they're coming for a lot of other shit. Soon they will get to an issue that just is a "black" issue too.

  

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138. "^slippery slope as stated above, or are you implying"
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that the Black community barely has rights anyway so what does it matter?

as a Black American, I will always be invested in bodily autonomy issues, considering...

  

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141. "I'm saying that....."
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If were gonna waste time wondering why we should care about whether a clearly fucked up ruling that effects ALL women should matter to black people then we might as well just not give a fuck at that point.

Because while were wasting time debating how to care as black people about it they're on to the next thing to fuck us over with either directly or right along with everyone else.

This is what they want.

  

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147. "Had to research before I responded...."
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.... to respect the topic and okayplayer as a whole.

Y'all are free to support whatever cause y'all want including rallying against this decision. Abortion is necessary in certain medical instances and/or cases of sexual misconduct of any kind. It's clearly harmed the black community.

The idea that the black community should protest, support, and rally against Roe v Wade decision overturned is ridiculous. Stop doing whatever white feminists and liberals tell y'all to do. We as a community are not siding with white supremacy and eugenics.

Almost 20 million estimated black children were aborted since 1973. Current population of people that "identify" as black is 46.1 million. That means another 45% of the black population could be here right now. Latino population is 62 million at last glance yet their abortion numbers are not as high so this isn't another issue for them to tie themselves to for benefits. Do I need to post the asian community numbers?

White women by and large support this decision because their elected officials accomplished this goal. They got older and realized the effect their actions had on their population. Democrats and Republicans had decades to codify Roe v Wade into law but refused. To be clear I'm not speaking against abortion moreso the slippery slope argument made above.

If Roe v Wade being overturned means getting Planned Parenthood out of the black community then I'm all for it. Let's get the focus back to building the traditional black family; having children and raising them into adults. This is not our problem the same way it's not the asian, jewish, hispanic, white, and native american communities' problem. Oddly I don't see media targeted fearmongering towards any of the aforementioned communities over this verdict, hmmm.........

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

"root for everybody black haters say that's crazy, wow..."

  

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143. "because liberal white women want us to, which is enuff 4 black liberals"
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Any discussion about abortion in our community that doesn't include jobs, housing, child care, health care, or reparations/wealth in Black hands is bullshit and not worth having

  

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145. "Come on..."
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60% of abortions are white women. You don't think these states that have a projected 0% increase in white births aren't looking for more white babies to be born? This shit is so much deeper. Wake up.

  

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146. "white women have lower rates of abortion than black/brown women"
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Abortion rates for Black women: 23.8 per 1,000 women.
Rate for Latina women is 11.7 per 1,000 women.
Rate for other women of color (asian/arab/native american) is ~13 per 1,000 women.

For white women? 6.6 per 1,000.

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148. "lower rates.. but much higher population"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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149. "Common sense answer"
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Someone gets it. Not all numbers are big picture.

  

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150. "white people love using rates to make themselves feel better"
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but the reality is white people are the majority and they stay using up a shit ton of resources while acting like its all the Black and Brown people.

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152. "of course, but the argument that banning abortion = more white babies"
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and less black/brown babies (proportionate to their respective populations) doesn't make sense when you look at the numbers. Banning abortion would actually mean that there are more black/brown babies being born compared to white babies, proportionately.

This is like saying cutting off social programs would affect whites more because more of them are on social welfare. When in actuality that would create more of a burden on underserved Black/Brown communities who benefit from those services more than whites (again, proportionately).

There's a reason why pro-choice activists are (accurately) pointing out that banning abortion disproportionately affects black/brown women. It's because they seek those health care services more than white women, proportionately.

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153. "You're gonna die on this hill"
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You're not wrong in context. But you're wrong in overall numbers.

  

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151. "Man this is one of those instances where if a black woman isn't a part "
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of this discussion, it ain't worth having.


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136. "majority of americans are pro choice"
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the political theater got people losing sight that the people in power have zero interest in representing our interests.

obama didn't give a fuck about abortion, neither did hillary. yall keep bringing up "her emails" as if a part of the email leaks was them plotting to platform Trump cause they thought he wouldn't win.

they think this shit is a game they can fundraise on cause the people will never clock their evil.

and it breaks my heart, cause they're right.

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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157. "You’re part of the Don’t Threaten me w/the Supreme Court crowd "
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And yet you’re still in here typing away

Shifting the blame once again. Own this L

  

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162. "i have no idea what that means."
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ima keep voting green party until the democrats get a sense of obligation to their constituents. they're cowardly and ineffective.

kinda crazy your guy won and hillary got the popular vote yet you still crying while conservatives are getting everything they wanted. kinda crazy right? sounds like a pretty broken system

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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154. "the majority of white women voted for trump, he appointed 3 of the..."
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current SC justices. End of story. I'm not trying to hear them, any "Bernie bros" or any "green party" disillusionists cry about this

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155. "...or RBG could've retired..."
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156. "RBG was *one* seat."
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She deserves tons of shit that she probably won't get. But I assume you can do the math here.

  

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158. "What's the math on Bernie's fault?"
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Green party's fault?
Add that one up for me real quick

A lot of folks real comfortable making the same mistakes.

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159. "I almost went into a rant on this yesterday..."
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I don't know what folks are STILL mad about. What is his party opposition doing right now? Be mad at them.

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160. "Pelosi visiting the fucking Pope a few days after Roe decision.."
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...thats all you need to know ....fucking disgraceful



  

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163. "Kansas tells Evangelical Kangaroo Supreme Court: 'hold my birth control""
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https://www.npr.org/sections/2022-live-primary-election-race-results/2022/08/02/1115317596/kansas-voters-abortion-legal-reject-constitutional-amendment

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164. "glad they didn't listen to the Doomer Left"
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and went out and actually voted

  

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165. "That's my state"
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I was pleasantly surprised and relieved

  

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166. "we live in the dumbest country."
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im not sure theres another western democracy with such cognitive dissonance between the policies people want and the people they go out and elect.

liberal/progressive policies are popular. when put to a straight up or down vote in a citizen referendum...they usually pass with solid majorities. even in conservative states.

but then a lot of those voters hand power to politicians who are outwardly against the popular policy that they just supported.

a lot of these same folks who voted against an abortion ban...theyll go back out in november to vote for anti-abortion candidates in their state who will legislate to continue to chip away at abortion rights in the state (like over-regulating clinics to the point its too burdensome to operate). and theyll vote for anti-abortion activist state judges who will legislate from the bench like politcians and effectively assault the right to an abortion that way. and theyll vote to send politicians to congress who will run on enacting a national abortion ban. and theyll vote for a president who runs on a national ban and also appointing judges who will carry out those same political goals.

no doubt a lot of those same kansans voted for trump and cheered when gorsuch, kavanaugh, and acb got confirmed. the same people responsible for blowing up roe v wade in the first place.

its fucking idiotic.

  

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167. "Elections and reality"
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I find that it's pretty much all about what you even know about who you're voting for. My guess is that they only know about the names they've seen on signs and other forms of marketing. In my area when voting for judges, I don't know ANYTHING about what they stand for. Sometimes you don't really get a choice and it's a formality. I personally tried vote for voting for any names that didn't sound like a white male when I had doubt lol. I'm in a liberal stronghold though.

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168. "republicans in nebraska get cold feet on 12 week abortion ban."
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https://twitter.com/meganmesserly/status/1556718492342276103

i dont wanna hear any more from the media about roe v wade not shifting the midterm landscape.

repubs in ruby red nebraska are punting on a relatively modest abortion ban (for red states) because too many of their lawmakers wont put their careers on the line and vote for it.

  

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169. "Supreme Court just handed the midterms to the Dems"
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or at least turned a red wave into a ripple…

Really want to know why the SC thought this was what the country wanted/needed and why now?

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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calij81
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170. "Maybe Clarence Thomas health concerns forced them to act sooner "
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than they wanted out of fear that if he died and Biden replaced Thomas with a liberal they wouldn’t be able to completely get rid of it.

  

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172. "The Squad were doing the Homer whisper about Clarence"
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and someone over heard them and ran to the SC like “I heard they think if Clarence dies it will never pass so we better hurry up”

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Reeq
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171. "dems turned out at a higher rate than repubs in kansas"
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for the first time in recent history.

https://twitter.com/Catalist_US/status/1557033506483716096

this was in primary in the middle of the summer which typically favors republican voters.

  

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