https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/06/23/us/gun-control-senate-supreme-court

The 6-3 decision was based on a broad interpretation of the Second Amendment and comes after a spate of mass shootings reinvigorated the debate over gun control.



Soon EVERYWHERE you go people will be secretly packing heat - not just in the gooberish places in the U.S.

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will work this.

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California, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, and Rhode Island.


The states can still require licensing for concealed carry (like in PA... my state), which includes state and federal background checks, and fingerprinting.

"May issue" is pretty discriminatory, as it basically leads to a situation where only rich, powerful or connected are approved (like in New Jersey).


The vast majority of criminals don't buy their guns legally, or apply for legal carry permits so this ruling seems less about criminals and more about restoring rights to non-criminals.

or purposeful disinformation by people that just don't like guns.

This was the map for concealed carry practices in the U.S. by county in 2021: https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-3c20523df795472a6e81b98a9e82b684-lq

California is a May-Issue state, but in certain areas like the Bay Area it is pretty much impossible to get a concealed carry license like New York unless you're well-connected, rich, or maybe corrupt (concealed carry Sheriff scandal: https://www.nbcbayarea.com/investigations/da-to-announce-results-of-grand-jury-probe-into-sheriffs-campaign-scandal/2340155/).

Why be afraid of people that legally own guns and want to legally conceal carry for self-defense with a permit? Do people think criminals were waiting for this to finally start carrying guns? Like you said, "may issue" is discriminatory by being classist and ultimately racist.

like collecting them? like carrying them around for…?

in nyc, it is not just criminals with illegal guns
it is also those fearful of crime folks with illegal guns
and making guns easier to get/carry does not mean the owners will shoot straight
all these bystanders have been getting caught in the crossfire

and that is what no one wants to be caught up in
on the subway, on the streets, in a park, at a party
no one wants to deal with this shooter and good guy nonsense

now we have to avoid a good guy’s bullet going through us before it might
hit the shooter and also hope cops don’t think we are the shooter…

>like collecting them? like carrying them around for…?

I meant exactly that it sounded like. People whose positions on guns are driven by their general dislike for guns and label themselves as "anti-gun."

>in nyc, it is not just criminals with illegal guns
>it is also those fearful of crime folks with illegal guns
>and making guns easier to get/carry does not mean the owners
>will shoot straight
>all these bystanders have been getting caught in the
>crossfire

So what even is your point or suggestion in relation to the ruling? That people that are applying to legally carry guns that can pass a background check and every other requirement should continue to not get concealed carry licenses in "may-issue" states? That people that are facing a genuine life-threatening situation should be at the mercy of criminals that don't care irrespective of the law?

>and that is what no one wants to be caught up in
>on the subway, on the streets, in a park, at a party
>no one wants to deal with this shooter and good guy nonsense
>
>now we have to avoid a good guy’s bullet going through us
>before it might
>hit the shooter and also hope cops don’t think we are the
>shooter…

Trust me, I'm fully aware that guns going off can be a chaotic thing. It's not like some video game where bad guns are easy to distinguish, and I am also fully aware of the risk of being incorrectly identified as the aggressor by law enforcement. That doesn't change any my belief that people that legally own guns and want to be able to legally conceal carry to potentially defend themselves in a real life-threatening situation should be able to exercise that right. And I really do mean genuine life-threatening situations; I do not condone using a gun just because of "normal" physical threat. In a situation where I have the ability to escape, even while carrying, I am doing so unless I have no choice but to engage as the last and only resort.

There are plenty of places where guns are prohibited like the airport or on planes. In my state, although I don't agree with it, guns are prohibited on public transport and certain buildings with "no gun" signs that carry the weight of the law. I'm sure the states that will become shall-issue will pass similar laws. As for me, if it's a place where I must absolutely go, I won't carry and lock the gun away in my safe while I enter the building. Or I simply don't give my business to those places, such as the mall or movie theaters with those signs. I am not okay with people that break their local laws and conceal carry (even with a license) in prohibited areas. I may not agree with the law, but breaking the laws means they aren't exactly "law-abiding gun owners."

>Why be afraid of people that legally own guns and want to
>legally conceal carry for self-defense with a permit? Do
>people think criminals were waiting for this to finally start
>carrying guns? Like you said, "may issue" is discriminatory by
>being classist and ultimately racist.

But congrats - the supreme court invented a new right by "transporting back into the minds of the founders" and realizing they want exactly what conservatives and gun nuts have been pressing for 40 years. Gees, what a coincidence.

Gun deaths go up now - there's no possible way having MORE GUNS on asshole's hips everywhere decreases gun deaths.

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I own plenty of guns. Does this mean I bought these guns with only the intention of killing? Some are specifically for self-defense, some are for sporting like handgun and 2 gun competitions, and some can be used for hunting. I plan and hope to go my entire life without having to ever shoot another person. But I don't have any issues with people using guns are the last resort to defend themselves in a life-threatening situation.

>But congrats - the supreme court invented a new right by
>"transporting back into the minds of the founders" and
>realizing they want exactly what conservatives and gun nuts
>have been pressing for 40 years. Gees, what a coincidence.
>
>Gun deaths go up now - there's no possible way having MORE
>GUNS on asshole's hips everywhere decreases gun deaths.
>
Thanks. I'm glad that millions of people that legally own guns will be able to actually get the licenses they're qualified for, especially groups and people that may be seen as more vulnerable (e.g., POC, LGBT, women, etc.). I 100% hope they all never have it use, but they shouldn't be denied their right to protect themselves if needed.

>I own plenty of guns. Does this mean I bought these guns with
>only the intention of killing? Some are specifically for
>self-defense, some are for sporting like handgun and 2 gun
>competitions, and some can be used for hunting. I plan and
>hope to go my entire life without having to ever shoot another
>person. But I don't have any issues with people using guns are
>the last resort to defend themselves in a life-threatening
>situation.
>


I like guns too, however, whenever gun discussions come up, a lot of gun owners seem to take it personally and talk about what they won't do. You have good control and discipline, awesome. How many people DONT have self control?

ejust because you're not pissing in the community pool doesn't mean other people have the same level of consideration.

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>I like drinking too, however, whenever drinking discussions come up, a
>lot of drinkers that drive seem to take it personally and talk about
>what they won't do. You have good control and discipline,
>awesome. How many people DONT have self control?
>
>just because you're not pissing in the community pool doesn't
>mean other people have the same level of consideration.


There are almost 3x as many deaths involving automobiles per year than firearms. Over 10k of those deaths are due to drunk driving.

Should YOUR right to drink or drive be restricted because OTHER people don't have self control?

Gun people need to go to therapy.

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and we should probably rush to increase security for SC justices.


Then...sheesh I guess somberly sing on the capitol steps.



Those three things will no doubt help with this SC situation.

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makes you bloodthirsty. It's not like any of us try our best to avoid conflicts at all costs knowing the weight and responsibility of concealed carry.

Nobody needs to be trippin off Fred from accounting concealing a Glock, if he was gonna shoot yesterday, he was gonna shoot today and legally being allowed to hip it isn't gonna change anything

LE concealed carry all the damn time anyways, off duty, out of town, on their side gigs

Way more guns already out there as is.

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>Nobody needs to be trippin off Fred from accounting
>concealing a Glock, if he was gonna shoot yesterday, he was
>gonna shoot today and legally being allowed to hip it isn't
>gonna change anything
>
>LE concealed carry all the damn time anyways, off duty, out of
>town, on their side gigs
>
>Way more guns already out there as is.

And I agree and am glad Fred can now carry if he chooses.

https://twitter.com/jewishresister/status/1558342231823712256?s=21&t=MLV9osJVEdy55HR5DgNBpQ

An off-duty police officer pulled his gun on a gas station patron he suspects of shoplifting. He pulled his gun with no hesitation. He didn't try & ask a question, just pulled a gun for taking something worth $5 & then when he was wrong just goes, my bad like it's no big deal.

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I cant call it. I grew up down here, it’s safe to assume everyone has a gun
Too many people carry themselves around any place like they can’t get taken off this planet.
FWIW I dont carry. My parents do. Spent all that money and time to get a permit only to have that rule revoked
And its silly. They don’t have the wherewithal to keep calm in the face of big danger. More likely to hop themselves up to have a tool for killing that’s less efficient and far more risky than practicing awareness and deescalation.

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There are more shootings when you lower concealed carry restrictions.


https://giffords.org/lawcenter/gun-laws/policy-areas/guns-in-public/concealed-carry/


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Been in?
I’m not saying concealed guns are good. Im saying that concealed guns are whatever compared to open carry and rifles
Folks nervous about what the next person may be holding were foolish not to worry before.

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What a joke.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-doj-data-breach-exposes-personal-information-concealed-carr-rcna35849

of approvals and denials

that deny you your rights but grant them for themselves? Hope the hypocrites get called out.

These people have guns for self defense - they are literally the best people to have this happen.

RIGHT??????

GUN = SAFETY.

I say get 10,0000 guns and attach strings to the triggers and surround yourself with them so if anyone tries to harm you you pull a string and all 1,000 go off and kill them.

You had really good points!!!

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just throw reason and critical thinking right out the window?

You think it's okay that at-risk individuals like domestic abuse victims or people hiding from stalkers had their privacy and potential security jeopardized? Even if they aren't that particular at-risk population and just wanted to be able to defend themselves like millions of others, there is nothing acceptable about this.

It's sick that you're even insinuating it is okay for sensitive information that can be misused to put people at increased risk of harm is acceptable because they own a gun, concealed carry license, or simply applied for either. Apparently in your mind they don't have the right or deserve the same level of privacy and security as anyone else. Imagine if there was some twisted fuck that thought medical records for people that have had abortions should be floating around and justified this because of their personal hatred of abortion. You're not coming off that much different to me.

The belief that people have the right to basic privacy and shouldn't have their security jeopardized shouldn't even be questioned. But I guess it's okay if it's people you don't agree with or dislike. The only point you've shown me is that you let your hate for guns make you a totally unreasonable person to even try having a discussion with.

>Imagine if there was some twisted fuck that thought medical records for people that have had abortions should be floating around and justified this because of their personal hatred of abortion. You're not coming off that much different to me.

Now imagine that guy had unlimited unregulated access to guns. Or just the nearly unlimited access to guns they have RIGHT NOW!!

Your answer has been: MORE GUNS PLEASE!!!!! (Also the 6 conservative Supreme Court Members. Also Big Mike - except inside of the bank he might open.)


>The only point you've shown me is that you let your hate for guns make you a totally unreasonable person to even try having a discussion with.

Shoot the computer monitor in self defense, guns solve everything bro.

Note:Of course I am using hyperbole and don't want anyone targeted for violence. But your hyperbole is completely un-noticed and denied.

8 out of 10 murders in the U.S. involve a gun.

Your HYPERBOLIC solution: Gotta get me a gun to protect myself from guns.

Sick gun culture. You probably even skip Track 5 on "Hard to Earn."

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Yes, critical thinking. You're obviously having issues if your conclusion is that I want any type of access to guns for people that should not have them. This thread's topic was centered around the issue of legal concealed carry, and I've shared my view that "may-issue" is discriminatory. The law will now require states to have objective criteria for determining whether someone can legally conceal carry instead of leaving it up to a subjective process that can and has been abused. An unjust law being corrected isn't invalidated or wrong just because the people involved don't play on your team.

As for my own conclusions, it seems pretty apparent to me that you don't have anything meaningful to say about the legal ruling itself other than disagreeing with it based on your feelings. But feelings shouldn't decide or change laws. I've also come to the conclusion that you have an unwarranted prejudice against all gun owners, so much so that you apparently felt the need to attack me for being critical of the California DOJ's ineptitude that endangers millions of legal gun and license owners. Would it surprise you that I also carry OC spray as well because I realize that it would be more appropriate for most threats I may face, if any? I'm inclined to believe it actually would, because you have some warped image about most gun owners and think we want violence.

I am against violence. I am also for using appropriate force in self-defense against a deadly threat. These things aren't mutually exclusive and shouldn't be hard to comprehend, but you're obviously having issues with this.

>8 out of 10 murders in the U.S. involve a gun.

Murders are terrible, and they are terrible irrespective of the method. Addressing the root causes of violence and murders for prevention is important. Guns are used for violence and murder, but they aren't the cause itself.

>Sick gun culture. You probably even skip Track 5 on "Hard to Earn."

Was this supposed to be clever or something? I don't form my values or beliefs from music, but thanks for bringing up Gang Starr anyways. Here's Premier's take (https://www.complex.com/music/2011/02/dj-premier-tells-all-stories-behind-classic-records/tonz-of-gunz):

“It’s just about the whole gun situation. Everybody’s holding, including us. We were holding too. When I hold a gun, I know how to be sensible about it. I’m not holding it to wild out or just to shoot somebody because I’m mad at him. There’s responsibility in buying that gun, and part of it is dealing with it like a man, and not dealing with it like an idiot, and getting behind iron bars for unnecessary reasons. I think the law sucks on how guns are here, especially in New York versus Texas where we can carry one. I understand in one way, but you got to look at it both ways. I don’t have problems with people owning guns, though. Just don’t wild out with it. It’s all gravy. Everybody could have a gun. As far as the record, I just wanted to make it sound like chaos because that’s what is going on when there are tons of guns in the mix. And those samples definitely fit my vision of what it should sound like.”

Guess Preemo and I share similar views. Try not to have a mental breakdown if "Who Got Gunz" ever comes on.

Aren't you glad he had a gun to "defend himself?"

>Murders are terrible, and they are terrible irrespective of the method. Addressing the root causes of violence and murders for prevention is important. Guns are used for violence and murder, but they aren't the cause itself.

People with guns murder with guns. 8 out of 10 murders are with guns. 80%.

"Guns are used for violence and murder, but they aren't the cause itself."

Guns are *the* TOOL that is used when murdering. I think regulating them more and stopping people from having one at easy reach at all times would in fact decrease gun violence and murder.

Then "society" can focus on 'root problems' such as people inner thoughts, their souls, and human nature, and the very nature of truth itself.

Humans can't be trusted with guns - the proof is starting you in the face with 80% of the HIGH RATE of murder we have.

I *SINCERLY* hope that your friends or family members aren't murdered with your guns.

And take the guns away from cops hips too.

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He's got tunnel vision

I stopped writing to people who aren’t even making a good faith effort to understand my side of the argument.

Peace,

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that's all I remember lol

who did an amazing job and said he would call the manager to tell him how great the employee was… instead of walking his ass 10 yards back to give the guy a tip.


why tip properly when you can give white words of encouragement? That shit is priceless

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