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MEAT
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"Don't be the next contestant on that summer jam screen"


  

          

https://www.okayplayer.com/music/jay-z-summer-jam-2001-michael-jackson.html

During the 2001 Summer Jam JAY-Z set, the rapper surprised fans with a guest appearance from Michael Jackson and premiered his Nas and Mobb Deep diss “Takeover.”

Wow this is cool. A Social Media archivist named Yepac revealed JAY-Z’s full Summer Jam 2001 set via his YouTube channel Hip Hop VCR. That was the performance where the rapper premiered his Mobb Deep and Nas diss “Takeover.” He also brought out Michael Jackson. The set has been the subject of various stories and is considered the holy grail in hip-hop archives.

As he rapped the first verse to the iconic diss ‘Takeover,” the audience gasped audibly at Hov’s direct attack on Nas and Mobb Deep. He then turned and pointed to the Summer Jam screen and showcased a childhood photo of Prodigy as a child dancer, the crowd erupted with amusement, sending the whole Roc-A-Fella crew on stage. Aside from this now legendary moment, much of what made the set exciting were the guests he included, from label mates Beanie Sigel and Memphis Bleak to Missy Elliott.

Jay topped off the night with a surprise appearance from the King of Pop, Michael Jackson. Briefly coming on stage to take pictures with Jay, Dame Dash, and other members of the Roc-A-Fella team, he blew kisses to the crowd and thanked them before departing.

In the years since this iconic performance, many apart of the hip-hop archival and media community have tried to find footage related to this now legendary night. Though no one is quite sure yet about where the footage has been, who had it, and how it was retrieved, what is important is that now we have documented live clips of a night that changed rap forever.

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The thing that immediately jumps out to me is how much rap made me think...
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Hov is eons better now but otherwise most live rap still blows
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I disagree. Ive been to only like three bad rap shows in decades
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      Mos is entirely dependent upon his mood that day.
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It's definitely better now.
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      Yep - there's a huge range. Both from the artist's perspective and
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Whats the time stamp for the tutu
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8:40~
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MEAT
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1. "The thing that immediately jumps out to me is how much rap made me think..."
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The thing that immediately jumps out to me is how much rap made me think concerts sucked … that era of shitty sound systems, bad audio, and crew love gathered on stage was just trash

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Tiger Woods
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2. "Hov is eons better now but otherwise most live rap still blows"
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They don’t even use the instrumentals anymore. Like, Drake is huge and he’s dreadful live.

  

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MEAT
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5. "I disagree. Ive been to only like three bad rap shows in decades"
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From Ice Cube knocking the doors off Warehouse Live in Houston
To Kanye Glow in the Dark
To any and all Roots shows including their picnics
To Kendrick to Pimp a butterfly
The production and technology has just been better
Ive seen Shad rock a coffee shop
Seen Blu rock a dive bar
And while they weren’t studio crisp it was a vibe

The worst rap show I saw was Mos Def at House of Blues and it was bad because he just crouched behind the mic, man might’ve moved all of five feet his whole set. This was like 2010.

Now I’ve seen some of these energy shows online. Which is a young enough rapper, in a small enough venue and the sense is that these shows are one of those “its not the sound its being there” but thats what all rap shows used to be

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Ryan M
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Thu Apr-14-22 02:27 PM

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7. "Mos is entirely dependent upon his mood that day."
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I've seen him absolutely DESTROY, and I've seen what you noted. It's a shame, honestly. That wide a gap makes it hard to buy a ticket.

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Ryan M
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6. "It's definitely better now."
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But still pretty bad overall. There are some excellent live acts in hip hop - The Roots, Outkast, Kanye, etc. but I cringe at most acts. It's actually insane that people STILL rap over vocal tracks.

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soulfunk
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8. "Yep - there's a huge range. Both from the artist's perspective and "
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also from a sound engineering/production perspective. The good live artists have an understanding of the differences in approach needed for running sound, and don't just rely on the engineers/techs at the venues to handle production. The wack live MCs (in terms of stage presence, breath control, etc.) are also the type to book shows at venues that don't have the best setup for live hip-hop and/or rely on the venue techs to run sound instead of hiring the best people for the specific genre.

  

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Cenario
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Wed Apr-13-22 10:17 PM

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3. "Whats the time stamp for the tutu"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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4. "8:40~"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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