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PimpTrickGangstaClik
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"Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer to retire"
Wed Jan-26-22 12:31 PM by PimpTrickGangstaClik

          

Balance of the court won't change, but at least a younger person can get in there

Biden and the senate better not fumble this

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RE: Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer to retire
Jan 26th 2022
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Stares holes into Sinema and Manchin
Jan 26th 2022
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I don’t think they will: 1. They have already voted to confirm some of...
Jan 26th 2022
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praying dems don't blow this layup
Jan 26th 2022
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*NickYoungMissed3.gif*
Jan 26th 2022
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We will not have a new justice before November.
Jan 26th 2022
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*visual of missed chipshot field goal*
Jan 26th 2022
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*looks at camera*
Jan 26th 2022
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same. But I also read Manchin and Sinema have voted to confirm every jud...
Jan 27th 2022
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      somehow i'm not so much worried about them
Jan 27th 2022
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It's her turn: nominate Hillary
Jan 26th 2022
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if it stops her from running for President, I'm fine with this
Jan 26th 2022
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Biden has said it will be a black woman:
Jan 26th 2022
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RE: Biden has said it will be a black woman:
Jan 26th 2022
8
Anita Hill is 65, too old
Jan 26th 2022
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RE: Anita Hill is 65, too old
Jan 26th 2022
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itll most likely be ketanji brown jackson imo.
Jan 26th 2022
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Anita Hill? Remember despite everything else, she worked for Clarence T
Jan 27th 2022
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoBLi5eE-wY
Jan 26th 2022
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she doesn't want that shit lol
Jan 26th 2022
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      oh i know lol
Jan 27th 2022
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after the Anita Hill shit, it's the least he can do.
Jan 26th 2022
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we avoid another catastrophe but rbg really fucked us.
Jan 26th 2022
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Did she really say this???
Jan 26th 2022
19
in 2018 she said she wanted to stick around for *five* more years.
Jan 26th 2022
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Right.
Jan 26th 2022
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the ados/fba agents are already attacking bidens likely pick.
Jan 26th 2022
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white husband? I’m shocked
Jan 27th 2022
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one of the responses said joe should pick candice owens
Jan 27th 2022
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      thats crazy but honestly not far off from people who suggest
Jan 27th 2022
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just want to say if Biden wasn't there (due to some "Bernie or bust"
Jan 27th 2022
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deep bro, real deep
Jan 27th 2022
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I've been screaming that since 2016, the SC picks are the most important...
Jan 27th 2022
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feinstein feinsteining.
Jan 27th 2022
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They need to stop pretending that senators are invincible...
Jan 27th 2022
34
She needs to retire to Napa
Jan 27th 2022
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We need to break the Harvard-Yale Law School Monopoly BUT
Jan 27th 2022
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They will...
Jan 27th 2022
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yup.. fuck those schools
Jan 27th 2022
33
we need to maintain and possibly ad to the liberal seats regardless...
Jan 27th 2022
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      I agree with this
Jan 27th 2022
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Hopefully we finally get a non-Ivy leaguer on the Court
Jan 27th 2022
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whats the issue? that it is based on race?
Jan 27th 2022
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Not at all - judge appointments have been based on race for centuries
Jan 27th 2022
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      he did it out of political expediency. *shrug*
Jan 27th 2022
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           nah Biden should have ignored SC and gone to MN and MA
Jan 27th 2022
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                forgot about that. i was gonna make a post about bernies real legacy.
Jan 27th 2022
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                     Yikes. You're more obsessed w/ Bernie than the bros themselves
Jan 27th 2022
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                     true. the bros clearly dont give a shit about him anymore
Jan 27th 2022
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                     Sanders supporters are MAGAs now? lol'z
Jan 27th 2022
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                          you know its bad when you gotta act like youre taking a joke literally.
Jan 27th 2022
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                     No snark, I think you need to self reflect big time
Jan 27th 2022
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                          Again - I'm celebrating that a Black woman will sit on the SC
Jan 27th 2022
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                               damn youre still running with this bullshit in 2022?
Jan 27th 2022
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                                    ha. i had always assumed the rogan thing was true
Jan 27th 2022
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                                    That's your definitive evidence? lol
Jan 27th 2022
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                                         your definitive evidence is joe rogan.
Jan 27th 2022
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                                              Yea for sure. I'm persuaded.
Jan 27th 2022
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                     btw *kyrsten sinema* has more bills passed than bernie
Jan 27th 2022
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                          of course you'd come to the defense of Manchin & Sinema
Jan 27th 2022
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Amy Coney Barrett is from Notre Dame
Jan 27th 2022
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Correct. And she also was (mostly) a professor
Jan 27th 2022
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btw biden nominating mad public defenders & civil rights lawyers.
Jan 27th 2022
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i see a lot of disingenuous 'anti-woke' concern trolling *on the left*.
Jan 27th 2022
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who you referring to here? Kamala?
Jan 27th 2022
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      neither of those got killed with black voters *2* straight elections.
Jan 27th 2022
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           As has been evidenced time and time again if you look at the data
Jan 27th 2022
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                so biden dominated with the voters that actually vote.
Jan 27th 2022
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Biden admin should have made court reform a priority
Jan 27th 2022
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liberals largely dont care about the court.
Jan 27th 2022
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      blaming the voters is a mistake
Jan 27th 2022
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Time for my yearly reminder that RBG screwed us
Jan 27th 2022
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this will be 6th dem nominee since 1968. compared to *21* for repubs.
Jan 27th 2022
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Look for Manchin and Sinema to sabotage this too..
Jan 27th 2022
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nah one thing i give them credit for (especially manchin)
Jan 27th 2022
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      As they should.. but I don't trust them here
Jan 27th 2022
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this has been a reminder how important the court is to republicans.
Jan 27th 2022
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It should be important to everyone.
Jan 27th 2022
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both repub senators from sc are basically endorsing childs.
Jan 30th 2022
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Republicans going to fight - and they hope a DEM senator dies
Jan 30th 2022
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      Hatch also praised Garland...look where that got us
Feb 02nd 2022
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New Mexico's Democratic Senators has a stroke
Feb 02nd 2022
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Luckily NM has a Democratic governor
Feb 02nd 2022
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      Why doe Dems leave this up to chance?
Feb 02nd 2022
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           they're democrats, man
Feb 02nd 2022
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                No, it's that people don't know shit about shit and say 'they're dems ma...
Feb 03rd 2022
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                     Yep, all of this
Feb 03rd 2022
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                     You are right on damn if you do, damn if you don't...but
Feb 04th 2022
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manchin gives childs the soft endorsement. itll prolly be her.
Feb 03rd 2022
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She's apparently a tough on crime and pro employer judge...
Feb 03rd 2022
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I don't think a Lindsey Graham endorsement means she is wack.
Feb 04th 2022
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graham just wants someone from south carolina.
Feb 05th 2022
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Partner at a union-busting firm
Feb 04th 2022
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Expected
Feb 04th 2022
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but but but the GOP are praising her!!
Feb 04th 2022
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      Haha totally. Just had this same discussion with my friend earlier this ...
Feb 04th 2022
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           yeah man it is crazy making
Feb 05th 2022
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Thank god there's approval from Manchin and the GOP!
Feb 04th 2022
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      right? if they love the pick it means she is not the right person.. lol
Feb 04th 2022
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      Imagine the GOP placing this kind of importance on Dem approval
Feb 04th 2022
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           tulsi gabbard made a career out of appeasing republicans
Feb 05th 2022
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                lol shit
Feb 05th 2022
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                If that were true, you'd be praising her pragmatism as a realist
Feb 05th 2022
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      how does a judge get confirmed without manchin?
Feb 05th 2022
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is Ketanji the move?
Feb 25th 2022
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Yep. Good.
Feb 25th 2022
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No
Feb 25th 2022
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*waits for the far left to align with the far right to figure out there
Feb 25th 2022
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I’m standing in this line with you and got the popcorn ready
Feb 25th 2022
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this tweet was deleted but:
Feb 25th 2022
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with the husband from the Caucus region?
Feb 25th 2022
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didn't all the candidates have that? like the VP? I think that's part of...
Feb 25th 2022
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      I think they said her husband is a 6th gen Harvard Grad
Feb 25th 2022
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           like I said that’s part of a different conversation…
Feb 25th 2022
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           nah.. its part of this conversation
Feb 25th 2022
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           bruh you are whole sexist ass misogynist saying this LOL
Feb 28th 2022
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                lol nobody is judging anybody, that facts are in most relationships...
Mar 01st 2022
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                     i wasn't talking to you. HE was judging.
Mar 01st 2022
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Yes, delightfully!
Feb 25th 2022
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One of yall tell Crime Bill Biden this does not count...
Feb 25th 2022
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a supreme court seat is token? lol
Feb 25th 2022
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      Ready to take any position as long as it's anti-
Feb 25th 2022
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      seriously. its arguably the most powerful position in many instances.
Feb 25th 2022
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      In this instance, it damn sure is.
Feb 25th 2022
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           the fact youd say this like she aint got an actual legal record:
Feb 25th 2022
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           COT DAMN. STOP THIS DUMB SHIT.
Feb 25th 2022
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                aint it funny?
Feb 25th 2022
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                You ok? I looked up her record before I wrote that reply...
Feb 25th 2022
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                     .
Feb 28th 2022
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                     Your point that she has a potential to be Clarence Thomas is far fetched
Mar 01st 2022
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yes
Feb 25th 2022
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I liked what i did hear from her
Feb 25th 2022
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Democratic Shills: CHECK HER RECORD; US: Okay
Feb 25th 2022
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What is wrong with this ruling?
Feb 28th 2022
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LOL. Explain in your own words what any of this means.
Feb 28th 2022
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      I'll use some of my words and some of yours, lawyer
Mar 01st 2022
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           This why its better to ask questions and seek understanding then repeat
Mar 01st 2022
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           *answers questions*
Mar 01st 2022
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           Judges aren't there just to rubber stamp settlements
Mar 01st 2022
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                Damn I thought I did the most pushing back
Mar 01st 2022
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                Thank You
Mar 01st 2022
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Obama part 2
Feb 28th 2022
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This is fair.
Mar 01st 2022
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This is a really, really good point.
Mar 01st 2022
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Indeed
Mar 01st 2022
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at the end of the day on the SC they vote 1 of 2 ways
Mar 01st 2022
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      What ?
Mar 01st 2022
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1. "RE: Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer to retire"
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>Balance of the court won't change, but at least a younger
>person can get in there
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>The Biden and the senate better not fumble this

yeah RBG already screwed us trying to wait for Hillary

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2. "Stares holes into Sinema and Manchin"
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You better not screw this up.

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12. "I don’t think they will: 1. They have already voted to confirm some of..."
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potential nominees that are on Biden’s list.

2. This is an easy win for them to help appease some of their voters and base back at home.

  

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3. "praying dems don't blow this layup"
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ACB got confirmed in like 12 minutes

  

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5. "We will not have a new justice before November. "
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11. "*visual of missed chipshot field goal*"
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32. "same. But I also read Manchin and Sinema have voted to confirm every jud..."
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61. "somehow i'm not so much worried about them"
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just dems in general being dems

  

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6. "It's her turn: nominate Hillary"
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10. "if it stops her from running for President, I'm fine with this"
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7. "Biden has said it will be a black woman:"
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/26/politics/white-house-reaction-breyer-retirement/index.html

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8. "RE: Biden has said it will be a black woman:"
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I would stand and applaud if it was Anita Hill. She may not want that, but it would get the people going lol.

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9. "Anita Hill is 65, too old"
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Neil Gorsuch is 54.
Brett Kavanaugh is 56.
Amy Coney Barrett is 49.

We need judges who will stay around to counter the insane conservative Republican judges.

She's too old.

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14. "RE: Anita Hill is 65, too old"
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I'm with you. I just wanted to see that black woman smirkin' from the bench. It won't happen, so agreed.

I'm sure they put together a shortlist when he won the election. Schumer seems like he knows what's up with that "deliberate speed" comment.

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18. "itll most likely be ketanji brown jackson imo."
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dc circuit appeals court where most sc justices come from.

several prominent black political pundits suggested her name be floated for a seat in 2016...worst case scenario it would help juice black turnout during the election when people watched how republicans obstructed her hypothetical confirmation for a year. plus she is the sister in law of paul ryan...who had already heaped praise on her (and would look hypocritical if he said otherwise...tho that never stopped repubs lol).

but of course obama went with garland because he believed repubs still had some soul left and would offer a good faith approach to considering him.

shes 51 going on 52 this year.

  

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28. "Anita Hill? Remember despite everything else, she worked for Clarence T"
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First at the U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights and then U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) both at Regan appointments. Clarence Thomas has been a piece of shit for a long time so when she was working with him she was working with him to undo civil rights and employee rights in both positions.

Anita Hill is the Gretchen Carlson type whistle blower.



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13. "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoBLi5eE-wY"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoBLi5eE-wY

  

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22. "she doesn't want that shit lol"
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31. "oh i know lol"
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Hell, i wanted her to be Joe's VP but she hates politics and all the noise.

I just like thinking of the mad making of it all

  

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16. "after the Anita Hill shit, it's the least he can do."
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Truly one of his worst moments.

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17. "we avoid another catastrophe but rbg really fucked us."
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it would prolly take 3 consecutive dem presidencies with some period of senate control in each admin just to have a *chance* to get the court back to a 5-4 1 seat conservative majority.

repubs play as a team and cycle justices out with much younger justices in a regular rotation.

dems just play it by ear and hope theres a dem president and senate when a liberal justice feels like retiring lol.

like rbg only stayed on the bench because she wanted to break the record for the oldest sc justice...while battling 3 forms of cancer smh. complete vanity project and now we will most likely never have a liberal majority on the supreme court for centuries (if ever).

salute to breyer for not being a complete asshole. he was worrying me a bit with his comments before this.

  

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19. "Did she really say this???"
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>like rbg only stayed on the bench because she wanted to break
>the record for the oldest sc justice...while battling 3 forms
>of cancer smh. complete vanity project and now we will most
>likely never have a liberal majority on the supreme court for
>centuries (if ever).

I assumed that she stuck around because she was certain that Hillary Clinton was gonna be the next president and she could retire during her term.

I agree it was reckless tho. Can't take big risks like that with something as important as a Supreme Court seat.

  

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20. "in 2018 she said she wanted to stick around for *five* more years."
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https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1023845163981041665

she listed the fact that john paul stevens was 90 when he retired as the motivating factor. the oldest scj ever (oliver wendell holmes) was 90 as well.

this was after multiple bouts of cancer, heart surgery, etc.

  

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21. "Right."
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23. "the ados/fba agents are already attacking bidens likely pick."
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https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/1486454237928194050

you cant tell me these niggas arent paid opps.

  

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25. "white husband? I’m shocked"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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41. "one of the responses said joe should pick candice owens "
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48. "thats crazy but honestly not far off from people who suggest"
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that biden should drop his vp and pick a republican 'unity' candidate.

because the candace owens thing is most likely a troll or just some casual uninformed citizen.

and the unity thing is coming from people who fashion themselves as intellectuals and political experts.

  

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24. "just want to say if Biden wasn't there (due to some "Bernie or bust""
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left-wing gripes/standards/etc.....)


....you wouldn't be having this convo


so...


This is why all that "abandoning Dems for this or that principle" is stupid.


And yes, y'all are talking about "primary-ing" Biden, so that's "Bernie or bust" 2 (Nader part 3)

  

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26. "deep bro, real deep"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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35. "I've been screaming that since 2016, the SC picks are the most important..."
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presidential duty by far. 45 put 3 judges on the SC and set us back for decades

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27. "feinstein feinsteining."
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https://twitter.com/jenhab/status/1486421704897400837

thank God schumer already said their gonna move fast (and hes been confirming biden judges at the fastest pace since reagan...which is an under-discussed story).

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1486451522762272770

  

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34. "They need to stop pretending that senators are invincible..."
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...and have infinite time.

It's a bunch of old folks in office. One unfortunate incident and you no longer have a majority to confirm a judge (see Ted Kennedy and Obamacare)

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51. "She needs to retire to Napa "
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29. "We need to break the Harvard-Yale Law School Monopoly BUT "
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I am not sure a black women can/should be the one to break that tradition. They will be coming for her neck any rate, these fuck heads tried to come for Princeton-Yale trained Sotomayor's intellect, imagine how they will come for the black woman without those credentials (but I guess Sotomayor makes the case they come for you anyway so why bother).


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30. "They will..."
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They're whole game plan is to scratch and claw for power. They have nothing to lose because that's they're only cudgel.

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33. "yup.. fuck those schools"
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hire the person not the diploma

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37. "we need to maintain and possibly ad to the liberal seats regardless..."
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of where they went to school

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52. "I agree with this"
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36. "Hopefully we finally get a non-Ivy leaguer on the Court"
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and would also be nice to break the overwhelming prosecutorial bias that has typified the Court for far too long. So many of the justices have been former prosecutors - as if it's the only viable route to becoming a judge.

There was an interesting segment where Clyburn was crediting Biden's promise to nominate a Black woman as the reason why he won the Democratic primary. Now he will have to make good on this promise - but wouldn't it have been more powerful if Biden didn't make some desperate campaign promise (when he was down and out) to pander - and instead just nominated a Black woman without all the political posturing and campaign promises?

Either way it will be dope to have a Black woman sitting in the Court, so it's not a huge gripe. But it still doesn't sit right that Biden only made this promise (begrudgingly too if you listen to the story behind it) when his campaign was down and out, as a hail-mary attempt to win SC (that worked).


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38. "whats the issue? that it is based on race?"
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trump promised to put a woman on the supreme court and nobody had a single word of criticism for him because of it (and fox news actually promoted it).
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKFGA0YX0AYtOB-?format=jpg&name=900x900

it was a cynical ploy to woo back the women voters who represented a bloc where trump/repub support was eroding.

so gender isnt off the table.

repubs openly talk about putting anti-abortion justices on the bench...an explicit ploy to please their most loyal voting bloc (white evangelicals).

so ideology/partisanship isnt off the table.

why cant biden pick a black woman explicitly to placate the most loyal dem voting bloc that saved his ass in the primary and general (*and* gave him 2 additional senate seats in traditionally red georgia)?

why is race off the table?

the 3 black women at the top of bidens list have more experience on the bench than 2 of the 3 justices trump appointed. so qualification/tenure isnt an issue either.

whats the problem exactly? why is pre-selecting a justice based on political considerations an issue *now*?

  

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43. "Not at all - judge appointments have been based on race for centuries"
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and again - it's a small gripe that's related to how it came about. Biden didn't want to make the promise to begin with - so it was disingenuous and to me would've been more powerful if he would've planned to do it all along without making the express promise.

Ultimately - it doesn't really matter how it gets done - it'll be a big deal. But the context matters somewhat.


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45. "he did it out of political expediency. *shrug*"
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maybe he would have done it all along but he did announce it when he did for a reason.

the winner of the south carolina primary traditionally wins the nomination. as does the primary candidate who wins black voters. and those 2 are obviously correlated.

so it was a smart move (that others...particularly progressives...should learn from) and black voters rewarded him. so now hes holding up his end of the bargain.

its the type of transactional relationship many other political demographics have no shame demanding (evangelicals, labor unions, farmers, etc).

it should be noted that he has also appointed a historically diverse slate of judges across various districts including a historically astounding amount of black women.

thats something he *didnt* promise to win a primary but has done anyway and has gotten almost non-existent credit for it. so its likely he just believes that is the right/just thing to do.

either way...i dont care about his intention/motivation...i care about the tangible action. and so far...he is coming through on a clutch level in this area.

  

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49. "nah Biden should have ignored SC and gone to MN and MA"
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to run up the score.

That is clearly the winning strategy. Thats why we have President Bernard fixing everything with the wave of his hand.


And rehashing the primary is clearly the important piece here, regardless.


  

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55. "forgot about that. i was gonna make a post about bernies real legacy. "
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genuinely asking what people thought it was....with the benefit of time and hindsight now.

because i remember how there was a lot of talk about him winning the "ideas battle" or something like that and being some sort of transformational figure for the future of the democratic party.

but when you tally things up objectively...

hes never had any landmark legislation passed in congress.

he lost 2 straight primaries. completely flopped in the 2nd one and was functionally eliminated on super tuesday...despite being 1 of the frontrunners with a massive fundraising and organization/infrastructure advantage. arguably one of the worst run dem primary campaigns in the modern era when you factor shit like you alluded to above.

he didnt energize young voters or people who traditionally feel disaffected by the political process (which was basically his whole mantra).

biden stomped him out with white working class voters (which he claimed he had the platform to bring them back into the dem party).

nobody talks about medicare for all for anymore. in fact...support for *obamacare* helped dems win their best midterm since watergate. and support for obamacare has only increased since then...to the point that republicans dont even dare bring it up (shit a lot of them lied and said they supported it lol) and obamacare signups just hit a record across the board.
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1486676765682638853

elizabeth warren has more policy input/sway with the current administration.

the *one* bill that sanders was tasked with pushing through as the budget committee chairman...bbb/social spending...completely collapsed with progressives getting steamrolled on separate bif passage.

many of his high profile supporters (greenwald, gabbard, dore, rogan, etc) are openly right wing trolls now.

and his 'movement' repelled a lot of former allies and basically just succeeded in pushing many progressive and further left leaning voters into the mainstream party establishment.

i didnt wanna rock the boat tho.

  

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56. "Yikes. You're more obsessed w/ Bernie than the bros themselves"
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58. "true. the bros clearly dont give a shit about him anymore "
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and are trump supporters now.

nice movement there lol.

do you disagree with anything i said? on a factual basis?

  

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60. "Sanders supporters are MAGAs now? lol'z"
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>do you disagree with anything i said? on a factual basis?

We could start there. Please bring the facts.

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64. "you know its bad when you gotta act like youre taking a joke literally."
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59. "No snark, I think you need to self reflect big time"
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There is P L E N T Y to trash the Biden admin over. Plenty.


But, for some reason, you chose reference him winning SC by promising to nominate a Black woman to the SC. Thats your complaint here.

And seemed to insinuate that is the only reason he won SC. (Which lets assume that is true, why didn't your boy do it if its so easy?)

I'd love to see a politician who doesn't pander, btw.

I think it is very telling that you are perfectly okay with Bernie pandering to Joe Rogan fans but not Biden pandering to Black voters. Very telling.


Regardless...


You are the one who brought the primary/Bernie into the convo for no reason.


And before you claim you didn't, we all knew what you meant.


Why is the primary on your mind even? Voting rights gutted, raging pandemic, etc etc

On the positive, a Black woman is hopefully about to be on the SC.


And you manage to work the primary into this. It is straight up weird how your heroes are never not on your mind or how you are so focused on working them into almost every convo.


Its extra amusing/hilarisad to me because just as Democrats refuse to learn lessons, so do progressives.

There is a reason your guy lost twice. To very flawed candidates at that. And it isn't because Biden made a promise to Black voters.




  

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62. "Again - I'm celebrating that a Black woman will sit on the SC"
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Pointing out that Biden didn't want to make this guarantee - and was ultimately persuaded to do it (because he was politically desperate) is simply pointing out a fact.

And yes - I don't like that he was disingenuous about it. Doesn't take away from the fact that it'll be a huge bonus for the country. If anyone deserves credit for this promise - it's Clyburn.

>And seemed to insinuate that is the only reason he won SC.
>(Which lets assume that is true, why didn't your boy do it if
>its so easy?)

That's not me insinuating it - I'm simply referring to Clyburn - who credited Biden's SC win to this promise. I actually don't think it was the only factor (obviously) - but it definitely was instrumental in lifting Biden's struggling campaign.

>I'd love to see a politician who doesn't pander, btw.

>I think it is very telling that you are perfectly okay with
>Bernie pandering to Joe Rogan fans but not Biden pandering to
>Black voters. Very telling.

lol tf? Do you always try and smear people as Rogan bros like this? It's weird. But how exactly did Bernie pander to Rogan fans?

Biden wanted to go on Joe Rogan. So did Pete and Warren. So were they pandering to Rogan fans as well?

>And you manage to work the primary into this.

The primary and Bernie were already brought up in the post. This post is about the Supreme Court. Where did Biden make his promise to appoint a Black justice? In the SC primary.

We've got people in here writing a thesis on Bernie's legacy. Guess that's cool to be dominating people's mind right now?

>There is a reason your guy lost twice. To very flawed
>candidates at that. And it isn't because Biden made a promise
>to Black voters.

To be clear - Bernie is a *very* flawed candidate - particularly in a national election in the United States. He did a lot of things wrong, and his core ethos clashes with deeply held beliefs Americans have about themselves and this country. The fact that he even made it as far as he did - with deeply impactful influence - says quite a bit about the state of America and where we're at.

But when people are out here recklessly smearing him for immature and petty reasons - I'm def going to chime in.

But I'm curious: what do you believe the primary reasons are for his loss?


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66. "damn youre still running with this bullshit in 2022?"
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>Biden wanted to go on Joe Rogan. So did Pete and Warren. So
>were they pandering to Rogan fans as well?

ive corrected you on this several times.

rogan made this claim (in a convo with 'progressive' grifter now maga troll jimmy dore). biden campaign denied it. warren campaign had no idea what he was talking about. pete campaign didnt even address it (probably because it was bullshit.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/24/politics/bernie-sanders-joe-rogan-endorsement/index.html
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rogan was challenged by his own listeners to put the campaigns on blast and produce evidence of them contacting him for an appearance. and of course he never did because hes full of shit.

i consistently shit on dem strategists for incompetence and poor judgment. but even they knew a rogan appearance ranged from either backfire to pointless. of course the geniuses at the sanders campaign stepped on the rake and alienated some progressives, women, etc.

even progressive orgs like the hrc had to issue statements like this so *their* supporters didnt turn on them too.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPFBbzZUYAIa_nk?format=png&name=medium

shit was so disastrous that the bernie campaign couldnt even come up with a response to the hrc statement.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPGawPvWsAA1-Dp?format=jpg&name=large

  

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71. "ha. i had always assumed the rogan thing was true"
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i heard him mention it. I don't think it was with Jimmy Dore but it's possible.
(I only heard Dore on the show once. it was my intro to him and dude was insufferable, so every time he'd drop Dore's name as someone we should listen to it was pretty cringe)

but i did hear him on the show mention that their campaigns all contacted him, and that he wasn't interested.
I don't know if he meant pre or post bernie, because I remember bernie having to walk back touting his 'endorsement'. but even with that, this was pre-covid and even though he'd be the occasional topic of lefty outrage, Rogan wasn't seen as nearly as divisive a figure as he is now. It didn't seem beyond the pale that they would want to go on his show and try to court his audience.

i had never heard anything else about it until now

  

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73. "That's your definitive evidence? lol"
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>biden campaign denied it. warren
>campaign had no idea what he was talking about. pete campaign
>didnt even address it (probably because it was bullshit.

C'mon - you've been in the game far too long to be this naive. What political benefit is there to say "yea we reached out to Rogan but they weren't interested in interviewing us." lol. There's literally zero benefit to admitting that - so of course they would say things, "we have no idea" or not address it all.

Incidentally, Trump's people reached out to Rogan as well and Rogan denied him an interview.

But this idea that it's so out of the question that Warren/Biden/Pete would want to go on Rogan is silly. Of course they'd want to expand their base in any way possible. There's a loooong ass list of lefties and Democrats who've been on Rogan.

But yea - we should chastise anyone who goes on Rogan! They are either MAGA bros or meatheads -- like Sanjay Gupta and David Sinclair.

You probably still think Rogan took "horse dewormer" too, right?

>even progressive orgs like the hrc had to issue statements
>like this so *their* supporters didnt turn on them too.
>https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPFBbzZUYAIa_nk?format=png&name=medium

lol at this little trove of pbs.twimg links you've got against Bernie. Admit it - you've got a folder on your desktop titled "Bernie Bashing.pf" - prob sent by the DCCC #AmIRite

But I'm curious - did the HRC issue this statement about Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Kevin Hart, Russell Brand, Chapelle, or anyone else? Or just when there was a political primary and the Dem power brokers wanted to smear Bernie as not just sexist, but an affront to human rights by his mere existence.

lol c'mon fam. Be better tomorrow.


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76. "your definitive evidence is joe rogan."
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and we all know rogan is always on the side of the evidence of course lol.

btw the hrc is a political lobbying group. so theyre political by definition. responding to an explicit political endorsement in the middle of a political campaign. i have no idea why youd think theyd put out a statement about random celebrity appearances but ok.

im just gonna let the other weird shit you posted float away in the ether lol.

  

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78. "Yea for sure. I'm persuaded. "
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Matter fact: I'm going to write Princeton and ask that they rescind Cornell West's PhD. Surely they don't want to recognize somebody who violates human rights by appearing on the Joe Rogan podcast.

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67. "btw *kyrsten sinema* has more bills passed than bernie"
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and shes only been there for 2 years.

(the infrastructure deal was her and rob portman)

puts everything into perspective.

  

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75. "of course you'd come to the defense of Manchin & Sinema"
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moreson than any progressive. In this post you're basically putting the BBB debacle of a failure on progressives - and *not* the Dem moderate Senators who are far more responsible.

Not surprising though - given your full court defense for Clinton/Kaine dems.

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39. "Amy Coney Barrett is from Notre Dame"
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44. "Correct. And she also was (mostly) a professor "
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So she does add dimension to the court in that respect. However, Notre Dame is still an elite institution and she clerked for Scalia and essentially was appointed as a disciple of that same old Scalia brand of jurisprudence, so she's really not adding anything new to the Court.

I personally would love to see a Bison sitting on the Court - or somebody who comes from a wholly different set of personal/professional experiences -- outside of the elite clerkships and conventional jurisprudential tradition that dominates the Court.

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40. "btw biden nominating mad public defenders & civil rights lawyers."
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https://twitter.com/CAPAction/status/1485643677921857544

reshaping the judiciary and filling the potential sc pipeline with people from those backgrounds.

not too mention the record amount of diversity. he has already seated more black women judges in his 1st term than there were in our entire history.

once again...its an impressive record thats barely talked about.

  

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42. "i see a lot of disingenuous 'anti-woke' concern trolling *on the left*."
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and folks wonder why they have trouble appealing to black voters in primaries.

literally *1* black woman is about to be on the top court in the entire history of the country...and mfs act like some grave injustice is taking place.

like these candidates race is their only qualification.

like republicans didnt just confirm the least experience sc justice in the last 3 decades along with judge beer bong.

reminds me of mediocre white niggas in college who tell you that youre there because of some 'quota' even tho you got better grades than them.

  

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46. "who you referring to here? Kamala?"
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>and folks wonder why they have trouble appealing to black
>voters in primaries.

Or perhaps you're referring to Buttigieg or Klobuchar here who couldn't appeal to Black voters *at all*


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47. "neither of those got killed with black voters *2* straight elections."
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neither had near universal national name recognition on par with trump and biden either.

i can think of someone else that did tho lol.

(and barely got more black support than tom steyer in south carolina lol)

  

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54. "As has been evidenced time and time again if you look at the data"
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The major factor that determined the primary was generational. Biden dominated the older, more conservative democratic demographic. Sanders won the Latino/Asian-American/Arab-American/Native American vote - by far - and he won the youth Black vote. So it's incorrect to say that he didn't appeal to a wide swath of voters. Where he struggled is with older voters - including older Black voters (especially in the South).

Biden locked that down - with a *lot* of outside help.

But let's not pretend like Biden has the patent on how to speak to Black voters.


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57. "so biden dominated with the voters that actually vote."
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i have no idea why anyone would champion the fact that they only won an age group that made up like less than 15% of primary voters.

i mean...i guess you cant lose *every* age group right?

why are we doing this again? lol.

  

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50. "Biden admin should have made court reform a priority"
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Explain to Amerikkka in plain terms how the court is outdated and how the GOP stole seats.

Explain there are 13 districts now, etc.


Hire Bloomberg's advertising people.


Tie it to 1/6, voting rights, and preserving democracy. Attack it urgently.


Address the democracy crisis, the pandemic, and the economy (inflation)


Instead they fucked around for a year, want us all to believe that inflation isn't a problem, and are going to raise a bunch of money off this particular seat that doesn't really help right now.


Its cool and I'm glad Breyer isn't being an asshole, but a lot of Democrat consultants and stans are getting way too hype over something that does not move the needle at all.



  

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63. "liberals largely dont care about the court."
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and def aint super energized by it to the point to significantly sway elections.

doesnt matter how much effort and education you put on it.

hillary ran on filling the supreme court seat that repubs blocked obama from filling. she literally told everyone that a repub president would seat justices who would do all the horrific shit they are doing right now.

and liberals didnt give a fuck. and now its gonna be non stop bitching, protesting, and in-fighting for the rest of our lives when we coulda just stopped it in 2016.

conservatives have been caring about the judiciary since the progressive warren court, interracial marriage (loving/va), segregation (brown/board), etc.

and the reason is pretty simple.

liberals are generally content with the way things are generally headed on race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, etc (outside of politics). society has gradually been getting 'better' over the long term (look at the racial makeup of 60s marches compared to the george floyd marches).

but conservatives have hated the non-political direction of the country for a while now and have realized the only way to attempt to stop it is to use the court as a blunt force object to obstruct and disrupt a naturally liberalizing society. the court as a forum for cultural backlash is pretty much the only thing holding the various factions of the republican party together.

republicans used to win landslide elections (reagan, nixon, etc). dems only won 1 presidential election for an almost 30 year stretch til bill clinton (and he had help from a right wing independent candidate siphoning republican votes). but now theyre platform is so unpopular and outside the center/mainstream that they can only run on culture wars and taking advantage of the most anti democratic mechanisms of our government (gerrymandering, voter suppression, electoral college, un-elected judge appointments, etc).

strangling the court fits into that and their base is motivated by it as such. our base just isnt. maybe after we get shit snatched away like abortion, civil rights, voting rights, etc then we will care and get our shit together. but i aint holding my breath.

i obviously wish it wasnt this way but it is what it is.

  

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77. "blaming the voters is a mistake"
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I'm not talking about an election cycle here.

I am talking after Biden wins. After all that shit went down. Reforming the SC should have been a huge priority. Huge.


Make it a central issue of the first 100 days...tie it to threats against Democracy, 1/6, voting, etc.

It is all connected...help people see how it is connected.


The admin/Dems fucked this up.


The GOP rammed in a SC judge AFTER PEOPLE HAD ALREADY CAST VOTES FOR PRESIDENT.

Then they refused to call Biden the rightful winner, objected to electors, etc.


Their supporters STORMED the capital. All that shit.


The GOP was splintering. Moderates furious. All eyes on the capital. I saw more than a few Trump flags disappear. etc


But rather than striking while the iron was hot, Democrats from Biden to Pelosi waxed poetic about wanting a strong GOP.

Let that sink in.


The Democrats had won! They were in the honeymoon phase, and they fumbled the message.

Turn the page. Fog lifting. Fever breaking. All that usual shit.


Strong GOP? Nah fuck that.


They should have gone for the kill. Expelled a few members of Congress. Appoint a fucking bulldog to the AG. Pass voting rights (before the gerrymandering)

And reform the court.


Tie it all together. While we are at it, the National Guard not being deployed for hours??...lets make DC a state so that doesn't happen again.


Give Bloomberg whatever he wants to get his messaging people on it because his ads fucking WORKED.


Treat 1/6 and the Trump admin like a 9/11 type even that we have to fix structurally.


Again, this was all after the election so danger of turning off "moderate GOP" etc. Hell, a few might be on board they were going to hang Romney.



Instead of striking while they could and implementing structural change that might actually help people (not to mention themselves), they played the same old song they always do and are 9 ish months away from getting slaughtered.


Anyone with half a brain knew that any major Biden initiative was DOA with that court.



  

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53. "Time for my yearly reminder that RBG screwed us"
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Imagine if she had done this. Make it make sense.

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65. "this will be 6th dem nominee since 1968. compared to *21* for repubs."
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https://twitter.com/JKastellec/status/1486397073972813824

a lot of that is the fact that dem majority senates have confirmed repub pres nominations...but repubs have not.

and a lot of that is the fact that repubs regularly rotate their own justices out for younger people and dems just hold on for dear life.

and also 2 stolen elections for repub presidents (2000 and 2016) i guess lol.

  

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68. "Look for Manchin and Sinema to sabotage this too.."
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69. "nah one thing i give them credit for (especially manchin)"
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they let biden judges sail through.

manchin already came out and said he would support a judge more liberal than him.
https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1486739215513800708

  

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72. "As they should.. but I don't trust them here"
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70. "this has been a reminder how important the court is to republicans."
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even the supposedly sane never trumpers.

repubs who have spent the last few years trashing trump and other repubs still circle the wagons when it comes to liberal supreme court justices and remind you how bigoted they are.

they go back to blaming the politicization of the nomination process on dems trashing robert bork (even tho some republicans voted him down too). and theyre of course playing the race vs qualification card on this shit.

  

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74. "It should be important to everyone."
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79. "both repub senators from sc are basically endorsing childs."
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she was appointed by obama to the district that oversees sc.

she also has the explicit endorsement of james clyburn. and he obviously has a history of getting his way.

shes around the same age as kavanaugh and gorsuch (tho they were appointed a few years earlier).

  

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80. "Republicans going to fight - and they hope a DEM senator dies"
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Remember 1 DEM senator dies and they block ANY nominee until they retake the white house.

They are pieces of shit and not a SINGLE ONE will vote for the nominee if there is ANY CHANCE they can block it.

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84. "Hatch also praised Garland...look where that got us"
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Dudes on here thought Obama was playing 3d chess by nominating someone the GOP had praised...lol lol

I *hope* Dems learn and just nominate who they want, not who the GOP says they'd support.


But I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Biden admin falls for this Childs okie doke.

  

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81. "New Mexico's Democratic Senators has a stroke"
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I've already seen this episode

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/01/democratic-senate-reels-after-lujan-stroke-00004432

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82. "Luckily NM has a Democratic governor"
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He could be replaced with another Democrat.

But if this happens in a state where there is a Republican governor then the senate switches to Republican controlled and everything stops.

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83. "Why doe Dems leave this up to chance?"
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Breyers retirement should have been co-announced with his slated replacement.


The New Yorker Piece on the lunatic Ginni Thomas has a tidbit about how Trump tolerated and had meetings with her because he wanted to convince Clarence Thomas to retire so that he could replace him.

Just don't think Dem Presidents are going to that length and they should.

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85. "they're democrats, man"
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86. "No, it's that people don't know shit about shit and say 'they're dems ma..."
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First off : Biden has at least a dozen groomed candidates in the wings for all levels of court appointments.

Second: Even after RBG died trump didn't announce the replacement for 10 days.

And when the person is stepping down and not dead then it usually takes several weeks or longer.

I'll bet that if Biden announced the pick the same day as Breyer announced he was stepping down people in here would be "Why are the DEMS rushing and being sloppy instead of taking a little time and making the process foolproof."


https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R44234Pge 14:
Overall, the average number of days from nomination to final Senate vote is 68.2 days (or
approximately 2.2 months), while the median is 69.0 days.62
Of the 9 Justices currently serving on the Court, the average number of days from nomination to
final Senate vote is 72.1 days (or approximately 2.4 months), while the median is 73.0 days.
Among the current Justices, Amy Coney Barrett waited the fewest number of days from
nomination to confirmation (27), while Clarence Thomas waited the greatest number of days
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89. "Yep, all of this "
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Damned if you do and damned if you don’t.

  

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I am not convinced on, "this is the way its always been done" is a good reason to continue to do it this way.


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87. "manchin gives childs the soft endorsement. itll prolly be her."
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https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1489298755060998150

kingmaker clyburn, the 2 repub sc senators, and manchin all praising her.

  

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88. "She's apparently a tough on crime and pro employer judge..."
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The milk's gone bad...

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91. "I don't think a Lindsey Graham endorsement means she is wack. "
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I think Lindsey Graham has seen the short list and would want someone he has some in with (her being from South Carolina).

Even Mitch McConnell has told repulbicans to chill on the black women talk so they've accepted it will be a black woman, they trying to make the best of it.

She gets some points from me because she is one of the only folks on the short list that has a black husband.

That being said, ketanji jackson is still my #1 draft pick because of her work as a public defender and I want to see the media and republicans struggle with her name.


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102. "graham just wants someone from south carolina."
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especially if its gonna be a black woman. it gives him cred with white moderates (and much of the media) down there.

  

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92. "Partner at a union-busting firm"
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Sounds awesome.

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94. "but but but the GOP are praising her!!"
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She'll get a few GOP votes and Biden will look like half bi-partisan half fucking master jedi.


I'm *sure* the GOP are being honest in their praise. I am positive Graham won't find a reason to vote against here. I am positive of it.



I'll never understand why, after all the shit has happened, Democrats and their loyal army still give two shits what the GOP has to say. We are doomed.

  

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97. "Haha totally. Just had this same discussion with my friend earlier this ..."
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Like whyyyyyyyyyy the fuck do we keep doing this. Why should we give a single fuck what they think about literally anything. They've proven to be traitorous, anti-democratic, authoritarian, racist, sexist, worthless pieces of shit. The entire lot of them. There's no reason to even pretend that they have any ideas or thoughts worthy of any consideration.


>I'll never understand why, after all the shit has happened,
>Democrats and their loyal army still give two shits what the
>GOP has to say. We are doomed.

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99. "yeah man it is crazy making"
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Instead of stomping on their throats they are playing nice. As always.

Lived through it twice now. Thought Obama admin would actually address Bush failures....history repeating itself in a way that is somehow much more in our faces.

What would it take at this point?

I wonder what would have happened had they actually been successful in hanging certain dudes, but still failed at the coup

"It is time to turn the page on Pence and Romney's snapped necks and their cold, lifeless bodies. We need a strong GOP and are excited that Graham is endorsing our Supreme Courte candidate..."

Where is the line? When would Dems actually try and stomp the other party?

Instead its "free market!" and "we need a strong GOP" lol to keep from crying my eyes out.

  

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95. "Thank god there's approval from Manchin and the GOP!"
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They are the rightful dictators here. Makes sense.


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96. "right? if they love the pick it means she is not the right person.. lol"
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98. "Imagine the GOP placing this kind of importance on Dem approval"
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like, "hey! we've got a nominee who seems to appease both Sinema and Ed Markey -- yay let's get this done!"

They don't give AF about who liberals or centrists might confirm - because they have conviction and a sense of purpose: judicial activism and ensuring that their nominees espouse their values. They don't get permission from Democrats to proceed.

And that's part of the reason why the checkerboard has been so far skewed in the GOP's direction. Dem leadership lacks backbone; no conviction or principled set of values to rally behind other than preserving the status-quo.

If this were a boxing match - the GOP would be dominating Dems in ring generalship; always dictating when and where the fight takes place and on what terms.

Why? Because the status-quo has been wonderful to them. They don't want change; aren't committed to justice -- despite empty, performative acts like this:

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/on-and-off-the-avenue/the-embarrassment-of-democrats-wearing-kente-cloth-stoles

The sooner we stop being apologists for abysmal leadership the sooner we can have reform.


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101. "tulsi gabbard made a career out of appeasing republicans"
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and echoing right wing talking points to undermine a democratic president and congress members.

and you enthusiastically went to work on her campaign.

so apparently that type of thing isnt much of an issue to you.

is there anything youre actually consistent on? seriously.

  

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103. "lol shit"
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>and echoing right wing talking points to undermine a
>democratic president and congress members.
>
>and you enthusiastically went to work on her campaign.
>
>so apparently that type of thing isnt much of an issue to
>you.
>
>is there anything youre actually consistent on? seriously.

  

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104. "If that were true, you'd be praising her pragmatism as a realist"
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but you save that for Sinema, because you're not really interested in the Dem party progressing, you're wholly invested in its intact status-quo and work overtime to stave off any challenges to its power - likely because it benefits you in a tangible way.

>and you enthusiastically went to work on her campaign.

tf? When did I "work on her campaign"? I never worked for Tulsi Gabbard, ever. I did introduce her at an event in my home state (as I did for Bernie, Warren, and other politicians). I'll let you know if I ever get to introduce your heroes - although I'm sure Nany Pelosi wouldn't allow me that honor.

And yes - I stand by the fact that Tulsi stood on the principled side of many issues and her platform featured some of the most progressive policies in the field in 2020 - despite disagreeing with her on quite a bit (even moreso now that she's pulled an Elizabeth Warren and has shifted ideology). But that's ok -people change.

But you play these childish games because you lose arguments on the merits every single time when it comes to this topic - and just would rather deflect to obsess over Joe Rogan, Bernie Sanders, Nina Turner, or Tulsi Gabbard: all people who hold zero political power in the Democratic party.

Why are you so obsessed with them?




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100. "how does a judge get confirmed without manchin?"
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i assume we are still dealing in reality here.

  

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105. "is Ketanji the move?"
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/25/politics/supreme-court-ketanji-brown-jackson/index.html

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106. "Yep. Good."
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Love her criminal defense background. She may actually value human life a little bit.

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107. "No"
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nah

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108. "*waits for the far left to align with the far right to figure out there"
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shit talking, talking points.*



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111. "I’m standing in this line with you and got the popcorn ready"
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119. "this tweet was deleted but:"
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMdPl-kXwAUILq3?format=jpg&name=medium

thats the attack from the far left.

the attack i see brewing from republicans is something about her defending unlawfully detained prisoners ('terrorists') in guantanamo bay.

i have no idea how theyre gonna fuse these two together...but im sure they will find a way lol.

  

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109. "with the husband from the Caucus region? "
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I’m not surprised.

She’s good. She has the golden ticket.

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117. "didn't all the candidates have that? like the VP? I think that's part of..."
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larger conversation about dating among black "elites"

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121. "I think they said her husband is a 6th gen Harvard Grad"
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or some shit.

ionno, just feels like we rarely get to see a Black woman that high with a Black husband or the other way around.

and real talk, its what made the Obama’s the shit. We were like.. “ionno about that dude” and then Michelle walked out and we all said “my man”

For me tho, I have a hard time trusting Black people in power who go home to a white mate. The symbolism behind these Black women takes a hit when I see their husbands.





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125. "like I said that’s part of a different conversation…"
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>or some shit.
>
>ionno, just feels like we rarely get to see a Black woman that
>high with a Black husband or the other way around.
>
>and real talk, its what made the Obama’s the shit. We were
>like.. “ionno about that dude” and then Michelle walked
>out and we all said “my man”
>
>For me tho, I have a hard time trusting Black people in power
>who go home to a white mate. The symbolism behind these Black
>women takes a hit when I see their husbands.

black women of a certain level of success sometimes look for a black man to be their “equal” but are sometimes willing to accept lesser from other races.

On the other hand black men of a certain level of success look for the “trophy wife” that looks good on their arm and their professional or academic credentials aren’t as important.

Sometimes society can contribute to this line of thinking also.

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128. "nah.. its part of this conversation "
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133. "bruh you are whole sexist ass misogynist saying this LOL"
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so you basically want us to come home to mofos like you regardless of how it makes us feel?

black women deserve to be happy. PERIOD. whereever and with whomever we find that happiness should be applauded.

i absolutely love Black men and married a Black man 3 TIMES. i can tell you for a fact, not one of the 3 treated me in the way i feel i deserved.

i can tell you for a fact that most of the time (read: most of the time) when i have been treated well, it was a white man....most of my life Black men have been shitty, mean, dismissive etc to me, as a dark skinned black woman with African features...

i can tell you for a fact that that has always made me so damn angry and sad but i STILL love Black men regardless cuz i know how internalized white supremacist patriarchy shows up (even if most of y'all can't fucking acknowledge)...case in point

i'm dating a Black man right now (not American, so i think that's helpful)...he's Senegalese. Nous parlons francais ensemble.

so my point is THA fuck you judging for? you have no fucking idea what its like to be treated like shit by your own. you don't date Black men...WE DO.


so you got no fucking space to judge us. EVER.

d

"I don't speak to provoke. I speak because I think our time on Earth is short and each moment that we are not our truest selves, each moment we say what we do not mean because we imagine that is what somebody what's us to say, then we are wasting our time

  

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135. "lol nobody is judging anybody, that facts are in most relationships..."
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across most races its tough to juggle families and relationships particularly if both are high achievers. At some point one party has to be willing to step back and let the other shine or stay single like Sonia Sotomeyer and Elena Kegan but I honestly don't see them confirming a single black woman. Michelle Had to put her career on the backburner when Barack's career took off. Bill and Hillary took turns in the spotlight. Doug Emhoff had to scale back his career when Kamala became VP. Some folks get caught up in chasing this "power couple" dream and that is usually not realistic especially if children are involved.

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140. "i wasn't talking to you. HE was judging."
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"I don't speak to provoke. I speak because I think our time on Earth is short and each moment that we are not our truest selves, each moment we say what we do not mean because we imagine that is what somebody what's us to say, then we are wasting our time

  

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110. "Yes, delightfully!"
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The noise on Childs felt like momentum a couple weeks ago, and felt like ... an attempt to sustain that momentum more recently. Nice to see that was the case. Brown has the most agreeable track record of the folks named, including some actual work on behalf of actual humans in the recent past.

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112. "One of yall tell Crime Bill Biden this does not count..."
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.... As a tangible resource to the community that saved him from a historic loss. Tokens do mot count as tangibles.

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

"root for everybody black haters say that's crazy, wow..."

  

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114. "a supreme court seat is token? lol"
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yall niggas just be saying anything.

  

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115. "Ready to take any position as long as it's anti-"
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Let Biden appoint a white guy and it's "how come you ain't got no brothers on the wall"

https://tenor.com/view/dotherightthing-spikelee-gif-5770409

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116. "seriously. its arguably the most powerful position in many instances."
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able to strike down policy from the president/congress and capable of essentially writing permanent legislation in a single ruling.

how these niggas supposedly care about criminal justice but downplay a black woman being among a handful of the most powerful decision makers on criminal justice?

  

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118. "In this instance, it damn sure is."
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Should could be a female Clarence Thomas for all we know. Miss us with this representation smokescreen. Everyone gets specific benefits for their community while mine gets bs distractions like representation.

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

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120. "the fact youd say this like she aint got an actual legal record:"
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>Should could be a female Clarence Thomas for all we know.

yeah yall niggas just be saying shit.

from now on ima just treat you like the nigga who just be saying shit.

  

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122. "COT DAMN. STOP THIS DUMB SHIT. "
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My dude. Before you start ranting and criticizing her as a female Clarence Thomas, LOOK UP HER MOTHERFUCKING RECORD!!!!!!1`


This is not some unknowable. It's not for "ALL WE KNOW". SHe's got a record. SHe was a federal Public Defender. She worked on the Sentence Commission to reduce the guideline range for crack cocaine offenses.

Like before shooting from the hip nonsense, just take some time and read up about it. Not watch a youtube video. Not read a tweet. Read something longer than 500 words.

Yall are really do work for the far right because, it might be fort different reasons and rationale, yall reliable turn out the same results.



>Should could be a female Clarence Thomas for all we know.
>Miss us with this representation smokescreen. Everyone gets
>specific benefits for their community while mine gets bs
>distractions like representation.


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123. "aint it funny?"
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>Yall are really do work for the far right because, it might be
>fort different reasons and rationale, yall reliable turn out
>the same results.

  

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126. "You ok? I looked up her record before I wrote that reply..."
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>My dude. Before you start ranting and criticizing her as a
>female Clarence Thomas, LOOK UP HER MOTHERFUCKING
>RECORD!!!!!!1`
>
>
>This is not some unknowable. It's not for "ALL WE KNOW".
>SHe's got a record. SHe was a federal Public Defender. She
>worked on the Sentence Commission to reduce the guideline
>range for crack cocaine offenses.
>
>Like before shooting from the hip nonsense, just take some
>time and read up about it. Not watch a youtube video. Not
>read a tweet. Read something longer than 500 words.
>
>Yall are really do work for the far right because, it might be
>fort different reasons and rationale, yall reliable turn out
>the same results.


Y'all can stop deflecting with "doing the work of the far right" in an attempt to stop discussion on the candidate Biden nominated. Her statements and record are questionable open for examination. Didn't like her statements on representation for "lawyers of color". Lindsey Graham and Paul Ryan supporting her aren't exactly good things for her. This idea she's got in her head to represent everyone equally is a bit much. She comes across as a for the greater good judge which isn't great for my community given historic injustices.

My point of her potential as Clarence Thomas tier is not far fetched. IF she successfully becomes a judge the last thing my community is someone concerned with upholding progressive values for the most part. The "black" supreme court nominee is held to the same standard judges from other communities are held to. Biden and the Dems tell you to support her so you'll do it. The rest of us critique her record.

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

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129. "."
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141. "Your point that she has a potential to be Clarence Thomas is far fetched"
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dumb, shows no understanding of Clarence Thomas record let alone KJB, and that you are just waaaaaaay out of your field of knowledge.

Instead of being truly inquisitive about her record, you are making dump assumptions and passing articles designed to spread disinformation. You are the tool in this scenario.

I am not alright because you are actively trying to sabotage what I am pretty sure if the First Federal Public Defender ever appointed to the Supreme Court, A black woman actively reducing criminal sentences on the Sentencing Commission, simply because you don't know what any of that means and how important it is.




>>My dude. Before you start ranting and criticizing her as a
>>female Clarence Thomas, LOOK UP HER MOTHERFUCKING
>>RECORD!!!!!!1`
>>
>>
>>This is not some unknowable. It's not for "ALL WE KNOW".
>>SHe's got a record. SHe was a federal Public Defender. She
>>worked on the Sentence Commission to reduce the guideline
>>range for crack cocaine offenses.
>>
>>Like before shooting from the hip nonsense, just take some
>>time and read up about it. Not watch a youtube video. Not
>>read a tweet. Read something longer than 500 words.
>>
>>Yall are really do work for the far right because, it might
>be
>>fort different reasons and rationale, yall reliable turn out
>>the same results.
>
>
>Y'all can stop deflecting with "doing the work of the far
>right" in an attempt to stop discussion on the candidate Biden
>nominated. Her statements and record are questionable open for
>examination. Didn't like her statements on representation for
>"lawyers of color". Lindsey Graham and Paul Ryan supporting
>her aren't exactly good things for her. This idea she's got in
>her head to represent everyone equally is a bit much. She
>comes across as a for the greater good judge which isn't great
>for my community given historic injustices.
>
>My point of her potential as Clarence Thomas tier is not far
>fetched. IF she successfully becomes a judge the last thing my
>community is someone concerned with upholding progressive
>values for the most part. The "black" supreme court nominee is
>held to the same standard judges from other communities are
>held to. Biden and the Dems tell you to support her so you'll
>do it. The rest of us critique her record.


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113. "yes"
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124. "I liked what i did hear from her"
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i caught most of her speaking. i know nothing about her, but first impression wise, i thought she was great.

  

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127. "Democratic Shills: CHECK HER RECORD; US: Okay"
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https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/lockheed-tells-court-race-bias-class-should-be-scrapped-again

A group of black workers who allege that Lockheed Martin Corp.‘s performance appraisal system discriminates based on race shouldn’t be allowed to pursue their claims as a class, the company told a federal judge in the District of Columbia Jan. 10.

The second amended complaint Vernon Ross and Debra Josey filed on behalf of themselves and other, similarly situated black workers doesn’t cure the problems the court identified when it previously denied class certification in July 2017, Lockheed said.

That ruling by Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia also rejected a proposed $22.8 million settlement between the aerospace and defense company and a class of roughly 5,500 black workers.


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"But, but, but, she's progressive!"

We'll continue checking the black supreme court nominee's record......

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130. "What is wrong with this ruling?"
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131. "LOL. Explain in your own words what any of this means. "
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I am a a lawyer and I am struggling trying to figure out what any of what you shared says about KJB.


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134. "I'll use some of my words and some of yours, lawyer"
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I love it when you guys go down the willful ignorance lane. The black supreme court nominee failed her community. They received a settlement from Lockheed Martin and all she had to do was agree to it but she botched this easy solution.

Tl;dr of this story is Supreme Court nominee Jackson denied
injunctive relief agreed to by Lockheed Martin, denied black workers the right to seek evidence to
prove their claim of racial discrimination, and knowingly
frustrated the rights of the black workers to appeal her decision.

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The Ross case was brought as a 2016 class action on behalf of 5,500 black
workers of Lockheed Martin. Before filing the lawsuit, lawyers for the black plaintiffs negotiated a settlement with
Lockheed Martin which provided for a refomed evaluation system - the comerstone
of pay and promotion decisions - and $22 million to be distributed to the black
workers.

When the lawyers presented the settlement to Judge Jackson she refused to approve the settlement because in her view there were no common factual
questions. Then, she denied the plaintiffs their fundamental right to
take discovery of Lockheed Martin’s books and records as they sought to prove class
action status. Judge Jackson took 54 days to issue her memorandum
opinion accompanying her order denying class certification, thus aborting the
plaintiffs right to appeal her class certification decision under Rule 23 of the
Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.

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Judge Jackson claims support for justice and equality evidenced by many profiles of her online yet failed the community's quest for justice and equality in the workplace. Lockheed Martin agreed to the settlement on purpose on record.

This is not the Supreme Court nominee for us to rally behind. Tell Biden to pick another black candidate without a history of ruling against the black community receiving aid.

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136. "This why its better to ask questions and seek understanding then repeat"
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shit without understanding it. And you clearly don't understand how class actions work.

I wanted to understand why she rejected the settlement. Its a good question. What I do know is that almost every other time I have ever heard of a judge rejecting a settlement, it is always to the benefit of plaintiffs, especially in a class action.

We were just celebrating a judge rejecting this settlement.

https://apnews.com/article/business-health-lawsuits-opioids-colleen-mcmahon-1e96ea41f783d8f5db0a024fbb304c1f

And here

https://www.npr.org/2020/07/14/891228092/federal-judge-rejects-harvey-weinsteins-19-million-settlement-with-alleged-victi

and here

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/20/nyregion/20zero.html


So a judge rejecting a settlement is almost always an effort to protect unnamed parties to a claim. Because, as I am sure you are aware counselor, once you settle a class action suit, OTHER PARTIES CAN'T BRING CLAIMS. That's why its important to get it right.

In fact, if you actually gave a shit about the Lockheed employees or getting KBJ's record right, you would have read, IDK, her opinion.
Or even just read some more sources. In which case, you would have figured out that was exactly KBJ's reasoning for rejecting the settlement:

"Jackson also ruled that the proposed settlement was not fair, reasonable and adequate because many Black employees would be abandoning potential discrimination claims without knowing what they were giving up and what monetary compensation or other relief they were likely to get in return. Every one of Lockheed’s Black employees would have had to give up all rights to sue the company for any kind of past discrimination to obtain a settlement in this one particular case, which challenged one particular employment practice of the company. Jackson believed that trade-off was unfair."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/02/21/ketanji-brown-jackson-clemon-lockheed-settlement-bias/


But you got it all figured out.
But since you got this figured out, explain to me how its different in this case?


Can I ask you a question, why would you accuse me of willful ignorance of your basic ass research on this topic?



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143. "*answers questions*"
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>shit without understanding it. And you clearly don't
>understand how class actions work.
>
>I wanted to understand why she rejected the settlement. Its a
>good question. What I do know is that almost every other time
>I have ever heard of a judge rejecting a settlement, it is
>always to the benefit of plaintiffs, especially in a class
>action.
>
>We were just celebrating a judge rejecting this settlement.
>
>https://apnews.com/article/business-health-lawsuits-opioids-colleen-mcmahon-1e96ea41f783d8f5db0a024fbb304c1f
>
>And here
>
>https://www.npr.org/2020/07/14/891228092/federal-judge-rejects-harvey-weinsteins-19-million-settlement-with-alleged-victi
>
>and here
>
>https://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/20/nyregion/20zero.html
>
>
>So a judge rejecting a settlement is almost always an effort
>to protect unnamed parties to a claim. Because, as I am sure
>you are aware counselor, once you settle a class action suit,
>OTHER PARTIES CAN'T BRING CLAIMS. That's why its important to
>get it right.
>
>In fact, if you actually gave a shit about the Lockheed
>employees or getting KBJ's record right, you would have read,
>IDK, her opinion.
> Or even just read some more sources. In which case, you
>would have figured out that was exactly KBJ's reasoning for
>rejecting the settlement:
>
>"Jackson also ruled that the proposed settlement was not fair,
>reasonable and adequate because many Black employees would be
>abandoning potential discrimination claims without knowing
>what they were giving up and what monetary compensation or
>other relief they were likely to get in return. Every one of
>Lockheed’s Black employees would have had to give up all
>rights to sue the company for any kind of past discrimination
>to obtain a settlement in this one particular case, which
>challenged one particular employment practice of the company.
>Jackson believed that trade-off was unfair."
>
>https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/02/21/ketanji-brown-jackson-clemon-lockheed-settlement-bias/
>
>
>But you got it all figured out.
>But since you got this figured out, explain to me how its
>different in this case?

Her reasoning fails to address why she waited 54 days. At the time of this case the number was 5500 employees. Future employees are not their problem and the secondly why did she stop them the right to seek evidence to prove their claim? This critique is does not go away as a stain on her record.

>
>
>Can I ask you a question, why would you accuse me of willful
>ignorance of your basic ass research on this topic?

I don't have access to nearly as my research databases as you do for one. I worked with what was available evidenced by the source I got that info from. Most importantly you started with "LOL explain to me in your own words..." in like people don't see the black judge rejecting a settlement for black people. It seemed like yourself and others came in here ready to defend her record and push away discussion the same way discussion over Kamala's history is glossed over.

If you took it as disrespect black man my bad but a lot of people in here are shouting down discussion as disinformation.

The black supreme court nominee cannot have an instance like this and expect universal support given her profile.

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138. "Judges aren't there just to rubber stamp settlements"
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It'a easy to write the headline: "Black workers settlement rejected" to get a predictable reaction. But the details tell a completely different story. From her ruling, it is clear whose side she is on.

You have to wonder, why was Lockheed so willing to settle? Maybe it was in their best interests to make this thing (and other things) go away. But was it also in the best interests of all the people potentially discriminated against?

Just because the two parties agree doesn't mean it's proper. That's what the judge has to determine.

This was rejected for two reasons.

(1). The reason you are focusing on here. Not enough evidence was put forth to show that all 5500 of those employees can be represented as one. This is pretty common.

(2) This is what I think is the main reason. The settlement was not at all fair or appropriate in her opinion.

From her ruling:

"Plaintiffs have consistently and unabashedly maintained that "the primary focus of the Complaint is on flaws in the performance appraisal system"; yet, they also candidly acknowledge that, somehow, class members are required to "release Lockheed Martin from all types of racial discrimination claims" under the terms of the Settlement Agreement. Plaintiffs have provided no reasonable explanation for the Settlement Agreement's mandate that a class member relinquish her right to bring race discrimination claims that have nothing to do with the performance review system in order to settle a case about allegedly discriminatory performance reviews—and this Court sees none.

And even more puzzlingly, the Agreement's proposed broad release of claims sweeps even further: although the class period ended in 2016, class members agree release all race discrimination claims that arise at any time up until the Court finally approves the Settlement Agreement, and not only do class members agree to release all race discrimination claims regarding the terms and conditions of their employment, they also assent to give up "claims of alleged racial discrimination ... in the provision of employee benefits " as well.

It is perhaps not surprising that Lockheed would assent to such an agreement—in one fell swoop, this proposed settlement forecloses any and all potential race discrimination claims that thousands of African–American employees might otherwise have brought against the company. But it is shocking to this Court that counsel for the putative class members would contend that a release this broad and consequential is a "fair" bargain as it relates to the absent individuals whose potential legal claims are effectively extinguished by it. The sheer breadth of the released claims alone, when compared to the scope of the claims in the complaint, is enough to cause this Court to have serious doubts about whether the proposed Settlement Agreement comes anywhere close to "fall within the range of possible judicial approval.

The opt-out procedure laid out in the Settlement Agreement provides another source of serious concern. Under the Agreement, class members who do not respond to the class notice in any manner—that is, who neither complete and submit the extensive claim form nor comply with the prescribed opt-out procedures—will not only release all of their race discrimination claims against Lockheed Martin but will also become ineligible to recover any compensation from the settlement fund. That is exactly the sort of circumstance that raises legitimate questions about the fairness of a settlement agreement. Additionally, if Plaintiffs' counsel is correct that it is likely that thousands of class members will not even respond to the class notice, much less affirmatively opt out (counsel's assertion, based on past experience, that the response rate is likely to be 30–50%), then this Settlement Agreement effectively allows Lockheed to inoculate itself against any and all race discrimination and race-related benefits claims by a huge swath of its African–American employees for a price that hardly seems "adequate."

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139. "Damn I thought I did the most pushing back"
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On this disinformation.

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142. "Thank You"
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That click-bait "black nominee rejected black settlement so she's not good" thing gets old. The actual facts dont support such a short-minded headline

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132. "Obama part 2"
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137. "This is fair. "
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The one thing I can tell you about successful Ivy League negroes, they are not revolutionaries. They are typically safe incrementalist who while want to see change and have good intentions, are also invested in current system and don't want to blow it up.


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So they(successful Ivy League negroes) are the new white moderates that MLK wrote about in Letter to Birmingham Jail.

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144. "at the end of the day on the SC they vote 1 of 2 ways"
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