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Walleye
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"Amazon murders six, tweets generous offer of "thoughts and prayers""


          

Six working people died trying to hustle for some a enough cash to create some breathing room during the holidays. Remember when you read these breathless reports of shoplifting and rising crime that *nobody* in America unleashes as much casual violence on working people as executives at grotesque companies like these.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/11/business/amazon-deaths-warehouse-tornado/index.html

(CNN)At least six people died at an Amazon (AMZN) warehouse building collapse after an EF-3 tornado caused major structural damage to the building Friday, according to the Edwardsville Fire Department in Illinois.

Forty-five people made it out of the building, with one person airlifted to a regional hospital for treatment, Edwardsville Fire Chief James Whiteford said during a Saturday evening news conference.

Amazon workers identified as dead by the local coroner were Deandre S. Morrow, 28, of St. Louis, Missouri; Kevin D. Dickey, 62, of Carlyle, Illinois; Clayton Lynn Cope, 29, of Alton, Illinois; Etheria S. Hebb, 24, of St. Louis, Missouri; and Larry E. Virden, 46, of Collinsville, Illinois. Amazon cargo driver Austin J. McEwen, 26, died trying to shelter from a powerful tornado in the bathroom at the warehouse, according to a coworker.

"He was my friend and he didn't make it," said coworker Brian Erdmann, who was on his way to make a delivery to the warehouse. "If I would have got back 45 minutes earlier, I probably would have been at the same place. I would have been right there with him."

The recovery phase is expected to take three more days and first responders will continue "to search the site for evidence of life," Whiteford said.

"Earlier this afternoon, the response portion of this incident came to a close and we're now focused solely on recovery," Whiteford said.
More than 80 feared dead after tornadoes hit central and southern US
More than 80 feared dead after tornadoes hit central and southern US
Amazon Worldwide Consumer CEO Dave Clark said the company's staff was saddened at the loss of life at the facility and beyond.

"Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims, their loved ones, and everyone who has been impacted by the storm's path across the U.S. We're continuing to provide support to our employees and partners in the area and across the communities affected by the storms. We also want to thank all of the first responders for their ongoing efforts on the scene," Clark said in a tweet.

Several employees told Reuters that they had been directed to shelter in bathrooms by Amazon managers after receiving emergency alerts on mobile phones from local authorities. The first warning was issued about 40 minutes before the tornado hit, according to firefighters and the Illinois governor.

Amazon confirmed in an email that the site got tornado warnings through various alerts. "Our team worked quickly to ensure as many employees and partners could get to the designated Shelter in Place," the company said in a statement. "We thank them for everything they were able to do."
Workers gave conflicting accounts as to whether the bathroom was the designated shelter. Amazon did not comment.

Some of those workers said they had kept their phones in violation of an Amazon policy that prevents them from having cellphones at work.
The company responded by saying employees and drivers are allowed to have their cellphones.

"I was at the end of my route. I was just getting in the building and they started screaming, 'Shelter in place!'" said David Kosiak, 26, who has worked at the facility for three months. "We were in the bathrooms. That's where they sent us."

"It sounded like a train came through the building. The ceiling tiles came flying down. It very loud. They made us shelter in place til we left - it was at least two and a half hours in there."

Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union criticized Amazon for requiring employees to work through a tornado warning.

"This is another outrageous example of the company putting profits over the health and safety of their workers, and we cannot stand for this. Amazon cannot continue to be let off the hook for putting hard working people's lives at risk. Our union will not back down until Amazon is held accountable for these and so many more dangerous labor practices," said Stuart Appelbaum, President of the RWDSU.

The chief said approximately 150 yards of the building collapsed after the tornado touched down at 8:35 p.m. CT on Friday.
Edwardsville is approximately 25 miles northeast of St. Louis, Missouri.
CNN's Ramishah Maruf contributed to this report.
CNN's Ramishah Maruf contributed to this report.

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Hiring people is OBVIOUSLY murder.
Dec 12th 2021
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More like Triangle Shirtwaist JOB CREATORS, right?
Dec 12th 2021
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      The situation is the result of geography.
Dec 12th 2021
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           If a consequence of action or inaction is foreseeable...
Dec 12th 2021
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           Bezos knew.
Dec 12th 2021
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           idk man
Dec 13th 2021
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                Look at our post counts dumbass
Dec 13th 2021
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                     yeah, I post on my own behalf
Dec 13th 2021
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                          hehe
Dec 19th 2021
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Amazon ships tornadoes?
Dec 13th 2021
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They failed to build all their warehouses underground.
Dec 13th 2021
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Its amazing but in this time and space not surprising the responses
Dec 13th 2021
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RE: Its amazing but in this time and space not surprising the responses
Dec 13th 2021
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bruh.. if Amazon was the only place with deaths I would kinda understand
Dec 13th 2021
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      I think how this plays out is; Amazon allegedly doesn't allow cell phone...
Dec 13th 2021
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           gotcha.. still think the headline is a bit heavy handed
Dec 13th 2021
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                It is.
Dec 13th 2021
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The lengths you motherfuckers will go to to defend the indefensible
Dec 13th 2021
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looking at the path of destruction I really have a hard time blaming any...
Dec 13th 2021
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Are you proposing a law or a new ethics rule for tornados??
Dec 13th 2021
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But do you have a Amazon Prime account though?
Dec 13th 2021
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      lol
Dec 13th 2021
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If Amazon forbid them from leaving/remained open during
Dec 13th 2021
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Every article I have read says that workers did shelter and
Dec 13th 2021
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I also want to say that I have never liked sheltering in bathrooms
Dec 13th 2021
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Also I live 33 miles from that location and I got “take shelter now”
Dec 13th 2021
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basically
Dec 13th 2021
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Yep! People never expect it to be them.
Dec 13th 2021
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Why not send folks home three hours earlier when the "watch" started?
Dec 13th 2021
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      Hey! If someone wants to enact a law that says everyone gets to go
Dec 13th 2021
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      Everybody at all jobsites should drive home simultaenously
Dec 13th 2021
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      You know it is always a mess when we have snow storms and all
Dec 13th 2021
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      why make a post trying to politicize a fucking tornado?
Dec 13th 2021
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      lol
Dec 13th 2021
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      *laughs in Texas*
Dec 16th 2021
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classic okp right here
Dec 13th 2021
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Bosses at destroyed candle factory: If you leave, you'll be fired
Dec 13th 2021
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So sad. And so....typical. Middle management power tripping
Dec 14th 2021
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Damn
Dec 14th 2021
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but this differs from the accounts of the situation given by Amazon empl...
Dec 14th 2021
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I was actually wondering why the post wasn’t about that factory.
Dec 14th 2021
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every story doesn’t have to have a villain
Dec 14th 2021
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It has been strange watching people rush to defend Amazon
Dec 14th 2021
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      I read that cell phone ban was lifted during the pandemic
Dec 14th 2021
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This is all incredibly sad
Dec 14th 2021
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the critics in this thread must not know anyone in tornado alley
Dec 14th 2021
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I live 15-20 minutes from Edwardsville, IL, I have friends and family...
Dec 14th 2021
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^^ it can go from *yawn* to OH SHIT so fast
Dec 14th 2021
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basically. n/m
Dec 14th 2021
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I lived in Tennessee for three years and definitely felt that way
Dec 14th 2021
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      We are giving the Tornado the respect it deserves
Dec 14th 2021
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      what's funny to me is that y'all are disagreeing *with amazon*
Dec 20th 2021
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      no one disagrees with you on their labor practices
Dec 14th 2021
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           who says you can't?
Dec 20th 2021
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Missouri and Illinois rely on patchwork local laws to guard against torn...
Dec 15th 2021
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shockvalue
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1. "Hiring people is OBVIOUSLY murder."
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Who murdered all the ppl who died at home, realtors?

  

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2. "More like Triangle Shirtwaist JOB CREATORS, right?"
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Sun Dec-12-21 05:43 PM by Walleye

          

I guess I don't know how to explain this any further than just stating it, so here I go: we have obligations to one another.

If a company drives working people to constant instability with low wages, then threatens to take their jobs at the slightest lapse in productivity, and then confiscates employees' phones while a dangerous storm approaches, then that company has violated those obligations.

If that results in death, the appropriate word to use is "murder".

I understand that there's a strong temptation to treat the role of capitalism in our lives as natural and inevitable, but it is emphatically not. This tragedy was the result of a series of decisions, consciously undertaken, to value profit over human lives. The people who made those decisions knew the potential consequences, weighed them against their bottom line, and forced people into a deadly work environment.

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3. "The situation is the result of geography."
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Sun Dec-12-21 06:26 PM by shockvalue

          

The people in the storms path died, plain and simple. You might as well call every employer in Fukushima during the tsunami a murderer as well.

If the warehouse were instead the location of Bob Avakians bookstore or a socialist commune, the outcome would be the same—the people inside would be dead, and those who would be blaming the proprietors (in this hypothetical, most likely ppl like Breitbart) would be incorrect at best.

Murder at minimum = intentionally taking a life. Notice that murder isn’t taking an action (like driving) that involves some risk to others. Not allowing phone use isn’t murder either: the airlines, many schools and Dave Chapelle aren’t all murderers, or manslaughterers either.

This kind of hysteria and linguistic butchery isn’t sane thinking or effective left-wing politics imo.



  

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4. "If a consequence of action or inaction is foreseeable..."
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... then it is appropriate to say it is intended.

Good work on typing "linguistic butchery* though. That shit really sang.

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5. "Bezos knew."
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He can see the tornados forming from space!



  

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6. "idk man"
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I feel like if I was going to try to argue the legal definition of murder on behalf of the world's richest man

I'd ask to be paid first

but maybe you're really smart and doing it for free is actually The Best Thing To Do

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8. "Look at our post counts dumbass"
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35. "yeah, I post on my own behalf"
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not to protect the reputation of a billionaire for free

but I guess for some people the word context doesn't exist

wow, a true genius

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53. "hehe"
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7. "Amazon ships tornadoes?"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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9. "They failed to build all their warehouses underground."
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This “inaction” led directly to these deaths!

This is how we will solve the problems of capitalism, not by taxing the rich but by convicting them all of murder.

  

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10. "Its amazing but in this time and space not surprising the responses"
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I worked in an Amazon warehouse...so once you are in, being able to know what's happening on the outside is pretty difficult. Therefore you have to trust that management is going to do what they are supposed to do when weather is compromising your safety. And the safe thing to do is stop work and get folks to safe spaces, which Amazon didn't. Once the tornado is on you, there is not time to get to a safe space in a big ass warehouse.

Its shameful that the original poster has to dignify the shit y'all came up in here with...

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11. "RE: Its amazing but in this time and space not surprising the responses"
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> And the safe thing to do is stop
>work and get folks to safe spaces, which Amazon didn't.

The warning arrived 40 minutes before the tornado, you want them to send everybody home?

What would you say when they do that and employees die on the roads?

Answer: Amazon murdered those people by sending them home.

Nice username btw.

  

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13. "bruh.. if Amazon was the only place with deaths I would kinda understand"
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would still disagree but cmon b

over 100 people are said to have died in these storms.

the candle factory had 8 deaths so far…

unless they told workers to keep packing boxes while the tornado was outside their door I can’t see your logic.

Did they ignore the Tornado warning and tell everyone to keep working?





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15. "I think how this plays out is; Amazon allegedly doesn't allow cell phone..."
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in the warehouse while folks are working in the warehouse...or they don't allow warehouse workers to carry their cellphones while on duty...something like that...

Most (if not all) modern cell phones receive Emergency Alerts by default...those alerts would have possibly allowed for workers to know they needed to shelter in place or at least seek shelter instead of relying on their supervisors to relay that information to them....

I kinda get the outrage and it's definitely a fcked up rule if Amazon doesn't have an alternative means in place for workers to ALL get the emergency information at the same time rather than relying on management to relay that info. I can easily see a situation where you have a manger that doesn't take those warnings seriously and chooses NOT to relay that information to the employees in the warehouse.

Amazon def. has some policy that they need to revisit. This should def. be the catalyst to make that happen.

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16. "gotcha.. still think the headline is a bit heavy handed"
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17. "It is. "
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12. "The lengths you motherfuckers will go to to defend the indefensible"
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particularly the indefensible acts of capitalism is insane.

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14. "looking at the path of destruction I really have a hard time blaming any..."
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19. "Are you proposing a law or a new ethics rule for tornados??"
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Like "When a tornado warning is declared all business will cease operations and allow employees to leave or stay and shelter in place until the warning is decaled over."

Looks like Kentucky averages 6 tornado warnings a year, and 57 a year I Kansas. So people would get half days at least 30 days a year in Kansas.

Maybe have to add to the law "When an employee leave because of tornado warning then their full salary for the remainder of their work day will still be paid."

If you can get a law passed that would shutter businesses between 6 and 57 days a year then I'd vote for it.

Maybe also add "Employees who left work during a tornado warning will be covered under workers compensation if they are injured by a tornado or tornad0 related event while travelling from the place or work to their final chosen destination."

Also: If they can make a tornado proof shelter then why don't they build all buildings in that same manner?"

Again - I'll vote for it.

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20. "But do you have a Amazon Prime account though?"
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just curious

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33. "lol"
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18. "If Amazon forbid them from leaving/remained open during"
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a state of emergency/took their phones (wtf!?)

Then yea I would think they face some liability.

At the same time if you send your employees home and they die en route because you allowed them to leave and travel during unsafe conditions you'd also be looking at some legal action

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21. "Every article I have read says that workers did shelter and "
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one if those shelters took a direct hit. I can’t understand how having a phone would have changed anything (even though I do think workers should have their phones). Management did deploy their emergency protocols, and made it clear that it wasn’t a drill (which means they must have drills) but it was a short time between that first warning and impact.

Here is one such article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/12/technology/amazon-tornado-edwardsville.html

Are you guys finding articles that say the warehouse didn’t execute any measures to shelters the workers?

As someone who has live in Missouri most of my life I can say that employers are not telling people to leave during a tornado warning (which is different from a watch). Not even office workers. We shelter in place based on the drills we have rehearsed. Even though we have rehearsed drills, it can still be chaotic when the real thing happens.

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22. "I also want to say that I have never liked sheltering in bathrooms"
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and there have been plenty of times when I was at work (office jobs) and they had us sheltering in hallways, bathrooms or stairwells which didn’t make me feel safe at all.

Sounds like they didn’t have enough space in those Amazon tornado shelters and that is how some people ended up in bathrooms. That is awful but sadly not unusual in these areas.

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24. "Also I live 33 miles from that location and I got “take shelter now”"
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text message at 8:09. The roof collapse over there was reported at 8:27. That is a a relatively short time span, a 33 mile span (or more) of people taking shelter and it is it could have easily drop in my area instead of theirs. You can’t know. That’s why they tell people to take the warning seriously.

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23. "basically"
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>As someone who has live in Missouri most of my life I can say
>that employers are not telling people to leave during a
>tornado warning (which is different from a watch). Not even
>office workers. We shelter in place based on the drills we
>have rehearsed. Even though we have rehearsed drills, it can
>still be chaotic when the real thing happens.

I live in KY and was actually at my part time job when the warning was sent out. Everybody in the office made note of it, made their little chatter about it, and went back to work. There are certain areas of the country where tornados happen a lot, and you certainly get desensitized to them when they happen. You never expect them to hit where you are located.

edit: Now certainly Amazon ain't shit for a whole host of reasons, but having people working late is not criminal. The real conversation imo is that they didn't know how many people were on site because they use so many "independent contractors", and allegedly out of approx. 110 workers, only 7 were regular, full time employees.

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25. "Yep! People never expect it to be them. "
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26. "Why not send folks home three hours earlier when the "watch" started?"
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I mean, I know why. That alert isn't as urgent or geographically focused, but the worst case scenario of "tornado warning" is folded into "tornado watch" in terms of potential. But the downside of caution is that Amazon is out some money and some customers are cranky that they didn't get their stuff faster. Seems worth it to me.

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27. "Hey! If someone wants to enact a law that says everyone gets to go"
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home whenever there is a tornado watch I would LOVE that. If Amazon just wants to make that their policy that’s kool, and I am sure some of their employees would love that … but it is not the norm. Businesses don’t shut down due to tornado watches.

But I am not opposed to it. Of course, I am a salaried worker so I would still get paid. Not sure how everyone would feel about that since they happen so often.

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28. "Everybody at all jobsites should drive home simultaenously"
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Whenever the tornado watch hits (which is always during a thunderstorm system), *because* the worst aspects of a tornado warning--an actual tornado forming on the ground--are in play.

A tornado watch will signal the beginning of a rainy rush hour, basically.

But hey when they die in traffic accidents, flash floods and being much more exposed in their car to tornado impacts, it's still capitalism's fault for not building underground mag-lev bullettrains in all 50 states yet.

(Or you could just have people prepare to shelter in place like Amazon did.)

  

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30. "You know it is always a mess when we have snow storms and all"
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the employers dismiss their staff at once. Sometimes I stick around for a while because I know I am not getting home for HOURS when that happens. I could imagine it would be the same in that scenario.

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31. "why make a post trying to politicize a fucking tornado? "
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If this was the policy, people would work like 2 days a week in the spring and summer where I'm from.


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29. "classic okp right here"
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make a bad headline for reactions then justify it with "look at my greater point though"

  

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34. "Bosses at destroyed candle factory: If you leave, you'll be fired"
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Eight people died.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kentucky-tornado-factory-workers-threatened-firing-left-tornado-employ-rcna8581

Factory workers threatened with firing if they left before tornado, employees say
At least eight people died in the Mayfield Consumer Products candle factory. Its destruction has become a symbol of the tornado's ruinous power.

By Deon J. Hampton
MAYFIELD, Ky. — As a catastrophic tornado approached this city Friday, employees of a candle factory — which would later be destroyed — heard the warning sirens and wanted to leave the building. But at least five workers said supervisors warned employees that they would be fired if they left their shifts early.

For hours, as word of the coming storm spread, as many as 15 workers beseeched managers to let them take shelter at their own homes, only to have their requests rebuffed, the workers said.

Fearing for their safety, some left during their shifts regardless of the repercussions.

At least eight people died in the Mayfield Consumer Products factory, which makes scented candles. The facility was leveled, and all that is left is rubble. Photos and videos of its widespread mangled remains have become symbols of the enormous destructive power of Friday’s tornado system.

Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear said Monday that 74 people were confirmed dead in the state.

McKayla Emery, 21, said in an interview from her hospital bed that workers first asked to leave shortly after tornado sirens sounded outside the factory around 5:30 p.m.

Employees congregated in bathrooms and inside hallways, but the real tornado wouldn’t arrive for several more hours. After employees decided that the immediate danger had passed, several began asking to go home, the workers said.

Supervisors and team leaders told employees that leaving would probably jeopardize their jobs, the employees said.

“If you leave, you’re more than likely to be fired,” Emery said she overheard managers tell four workers standing near her who wanted to leave. “I heard that with my own ears.”

About 15 people asked to go home during the night shift shortly after the first emergency alarm sounded outside the facility, said another employee, Haley Conder, 29.

There was a three- to four-hour window between the first and second emergency alarms when workers should have been allowed to go home, she said.

Initially, Conder said, team leaders told her they wouldn’t let workers leave because of safety precautions, so they kept everyone in the hallways and the bathrooms. Once they mistakenly thought the tornado was no longer a danger, they sent everyone back to work, employees said.

Anyone who wanted to leave should have been allowed to, Conder said.

Elijah Johnson, 20, was working in the back of the building when several employees wanting to head home walked in to speak with supervisors. He joined in on the request.

“I asked to leave and they told me I’d be fired,” Johnson said. “Even with the weather like this, you’re still going to fire me?” he asked.

“Yes,” a manager responded, Johnson told NBC News.

Johnson said managers went so far as to take a roll call in hopes of finding out who had left work.

Company officials denied the allegations.

“It’s absolutely untrue,” said Bob Ferguson, a spokesman for Mayfield Consumer Products. “We’ve had a policy in place since Covid began. Employees can leave any time they want to leave and they can come back the next day.”

He also denied that managers told employees that leaving their shifts meant risking their jobs. Ferguson said managers and team leaders undergo a series of emergency drills that follow guidelines of the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration.

“Those protocols are in place and were followed,” he said.

A 24-hour hotline is available as of Monday for employees to call about hazard pay, grief counseling and other assistance, he said.

Autumn Kirks, a team lead at the factory who was working that night, denied Monday afternoon on MSNBC that people’s jobs were threatened if they didn’t go in.

But another employee, Latavia Halliburton, said she witnessed workers’ being threatened with termination if they left.

“Some people asked if they could leave,” but managers told them they would be fired if they did, she said.

The first tornado warning passed without any damage, but several hours later, another warning was issued. Once the second tornado siren sounded sometime after 9 p.m. Friday, Conder and a group of others approached three managers asking to go home.

“‘You can’t leave. You can’t leave. You have to stay here,’” Conder said the managers told her. “The situation was bad. Everyone was uncomfortable.”

Mark Saxton, 37, a forklift operator, said that he would have preferred to leave but that he wasn’t given the option.

“That’s the thing. We should have been able to leave,” Saxton said. “The first warning came, and they just had us go in the hallway. After the warning, they had us go back to work. They never offered us to go home.”

As the storm moved forward after the second siren, the employees took shelter. The lights in the building started to flicker.

Moments later, Emery, who was standing near the candle wax and fragrance room, was struck in the head by a piece of concrete.

“I kid you not, I heard a loud noise and the next thing I know, I was stuck under a cement wall,” she said. “I couldn’t move anything. I couldn’t push anything. I was stuck.”

Emery, who was trapped for six hours, had several chemical burn marks on her legs, her buttocks and her forehead from the candle wax. She also sustained kidney damage, her urine is black, and she still can’t move her legs because of the swelling and from having been motionless for so long.

Employees who wanted to go home early said they were mistreated.

“It hurts, ’cause I feel like we were neglected,” Saxton said.

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36. "So sad. And so....typical. Middle management power tripping"
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and general shitty mentality about work in American culture....smh...

  

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37. "Damn"
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Where are all those people that was replying up above, now.

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39. "but this differs from the accounts of the situation given by Amazon empl..."
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I don't recall any reports from Amazon employees stating that they were told they'd be FIRED if they left....the Amazon issue was more related to them simply not being informed of the severity of the situation because of the no cell phone policy. Everything i'm reading about the Amazon factory was more along the lines of management believing that the shelter-in-place capacity at the warehouse was sufficient and safer than sending employees home to fend for themselves.....

  

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41. "I was actually wondering why the post wasn’t about that factory."
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It is not the norm to send people home during a tornado watch. Those people must have had a reason for wanting to go home, but I can’t think of any time in life where I WANTED to be out in the streets once a watch became a warning. But then again, I have never worked in a warehouse. I can imagine that that had something to do with them wanting to leave. Management should have let them go.

That tornado had a 200 mile path so it could be seen coming once it had formed. I am not sure if it hit the factory at the beginning, middle or end of that path but if people wanted out once there was a tornado on the ground they should have been let out. The Amazon tornado was a was much quicker episode.

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48. "every story doesn’t have to have a villain"
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49. "It has been strange watching people rush to defend Amazon"
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"murder" was probably too far of course, but watching poster after poster give Amazon unconditional benefit of the doubt was...odd.

Dudes in here assuming 100% innocence on Amazon's part, and glossed over important parts like them NOT KNOWING HOW MANY PEOPLE were in their warehouse. Or not having their phones. Etc.

That shit is foul.





  

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50. "I read that cell phone ban was lifted during the pandemic"
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regardless..

I think the destruction from these tornadoes makes it hard to blame a company simply because they are big as hell and are all about production

it was a tornado not shelves collapsing because of mass production.

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38. "This is all incredibly sad"
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>“It hurts, ’cause I feel like we were neglected,” Saxton
>said.

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40. "the critics in this thread must not know anyone in tornado alley"
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it's difficult to convey how desensitized one can get to tornado watches and warnings when they occur several-to-dozens of times a year, almost always with no impact to them personally. there is literally no way to effectively shelter against it in most cases. it can't be dodged like a hurricane in the gulf shores or fires in california because there isn't adequate time to prepare and its path is wildly unpredictable. sheltering only works if you are in a massively strong building or basement and even that isn't that effective if the tornado hits dead on. a laissez-faire mindset about tornadoes tends to dominate because it's the only practical way to approach the concept. sending everyone home every time there is a watch or warning is definitely the best approach but it is dogmatic at best and usually would mean a lot of hourly folks lose money for overreacting to what ends up being a non-issue in 99% of cases, occurring often enough that it would severely impact them financially

it's truly tragic when lives are lost to tornadoes but it's a risk implicitly accepted by the residents living in that part of the country. cost index is like 85% compared to the rest of the country but your life might be ruined by severe weather. i currently live in that part of the country and am attempting to leave it in part because i can't deal with the stress of rapidly increasing severe weather occurrences. not everyone feels that way or has the ability to relocate

  

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42. "I live 15-20 minutes from Edwardsville, IL, I have friends and family..."
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that work for Amazon in that facility and others in the area and some that drive. So far everyone I know is fine and I don't know of a direct connection to any of there deceased but I'm sure there will be eventually as this is a relatively small area where everyone knows everyone.

To see the whole thing trivialized by post on a message board by someone uninformed but just trying to push a personal agenda is a little off putting.

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43. "^^ it can go from *yawn* to OH SHIT so fast"
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Where I'm from, no one starts taking things serious until the meteorologist is showing video of a tornado on the ground in their area.

Tornado warning means nothing (they happen all the time with no consequence). Sirens mean very little. Sirens just tell us to go out to the porch and look at the sky lol.

When there is a tornado warning, people are still shopping, teachers still teaching, workers still working.

By the time you are credibly in some real danger, there is very little time to do anything besides get into a bathroom.

Part of the problem is "over" warning has desensitized people. But tornadoes are so unpredictable, that all the warnings are probably necessary.

This post is just using a natural disaster and tragedy to air out capitalist grievances

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45. "basically. n/m"
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44. "I lived in Tennessee for three years and definitely felt that way"
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It wasn't long, but it was exactly the right amount of time to go from "oh my god why are there tornado sirens so often" to "somebody will tell me if this is one to worry about." I think my first real conversation with about 75% of neighbors in my building was during the times we actually decided we needed to shelter.

>sending everyone home every time there
>is a watch or warning is definitely the best approach but it
>is dogmatic at best and usually would mean a lot of hourly
>folks lose money for overreacting to what ends up being a
>non-issue in 99% of cases, occurring often enough that it
>would severely impact them financially

So this is my issue: what you're describing here, as I stated above, is both entirely true and an accurate summary of the dynamics involved here. But it's also a series of decisions that are made which weigh the cost of lost business to the (potential) damage of a tornado that may not strike.

Individual people making those calculations on their own is an expression of freedom. Employers making those decisions for their employees is coercive. So this conversation keeps redounding to "what do you expect them to do? send people home every time there is a potentially dangerous storm?" as though that were a conversation-stopper instead of something that it's entirely possible to say "yes" to.

I also think that there's a lot of people in this thread giving Amazon the benefit of good faith on this when their track record for worker safety has been notorious. Here's an article by Ken Klippenstein that cites Amazon employees in the area who say they weren't given adequate tornado safety drills. It includes some very early reporting from actual site - but I'm not positive how much I want to credit that yet since it's pretty grim.

https://theintercept.com/2021/12/13/amazon-illinois-tornado-safety-protocols/

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46. "We are giving the Tornado the respect it deserves"
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Does Amazon have shitty policies.. sure.

Does Capitalism suck.. prolly, but I’m not sure socialism would save them from a tornado this strong.

If the only people who died where in these 2 warehouses I would totally get your point.

I think its wrong to threaten people if they wanted to leave but you even admit you hear warnings so often you can easily become desensitized to them.

its like when they tell people to leave the coast for hurricanes and they ignore it and ride it out. Most times they are fine but sometimes.. shit gets real. Who do you blame?

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55. "what's funny to me is that y'all are disagreeing *with amazon*"
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because amazon says this isn't the correct reaction.





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>I also think that there's a lot of people in this thread
>giving Amazon the benefit of good faith on this when their
>track record for worker safety has been notorious.

you cant just apply the word murder to sway emotions though

  

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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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51. "Missouri and Illinois rely on patchwork local laws to guard against torn..."
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https://news.stlpublicradio.org/health-science-environment/2021-12-15/missouri-and-illinois-rely-on-patchwork-of-local-laws-to-guard-against-dozens-of-tornadoes-a-year

It is so not just an Amazon thing. That is what I meant in my reply above where I said hey, if someone wants to fight for us to all go home during a tornado watch… by all mean…

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