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"The Omicron coronavirus variant (B.1.1.529) thread"


          

Identified last Tuesday 11/24/2021.


What we know as of 11/27/2021:
Many mutations on the spike protein, up to 30 identified thus far.
83 cases verified in South Africa.
2 cases identified in the UK.
"Some" cases identified in Belgium, Botswana, Hong Kong and Israel.
Travel ban going into effect this Monday, 11/29/2021.

What we don't know as of 11/27/2021:
If it is more contagious.
If the disease is more severe.
If re-infection rate is higher.
If effectiveness of vaccination is lowered.
If Merck and Pfizer anti-virals are effective against it.


Upcoming:
Data expected from vaccine makers within 2 weeks.
Possible new vaccines - could take as little as 100 days - could take more depending on regulatory requirements.

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just got my booster this week.
Nov 27th 2021
1
RE: The Omicron coronavirus variant (B.1.1.529) thread
Nov 27th 2021
2
RESET BUTTON
Nov 27th 2021
3
sounds like some Transformer villain
Nov 27th 2021
4
Unicron.
Dec 05th 2021
21
so a woman I knew in HS posted photos of her son in the hospital
Nov 29th 2021
5
This has been a weird way to learn the Greek alphabet...
Nov 29th 2021
6
What do we go to when we hit the end of the alphabet?
Nov 29th 2021
9
https://www.fox13news.com/news/no-more-greek-letters-heres-what-will-hap...
Nov 29th 2021
10
      Deshaun AND Tayshawn?!
Nov 29th 2021
13
      was about to mention this. we already did this w/ hurricanes. crazy. nm
Nov 29th 2021
15
this just reminded me how EYE learne it
Sep 26th 2022
453
scientists sounding a lot less gloomy.
Nov 29th 2021
7
all the scientists I know are like "we don't know anything and won't for...
Nov 29th 2021
11
      This is why I'm not reading any more omicron articles
Nov 29th 2021
12
           definitely felt like a well timed scare tactic
Nov 29th 2021
14
           omfg
Nov 30th 2021
16
           27 paragraphs in "no one knows anything"
Nov 30th 2021
17
11/19/2021 updates
Nov 29th 2021
8
Gonna start slinging this Novavax blood on the corner
Nov 30th 2021
18
12/03/2021 updates
Dec 03rd 2021
19
Media reports are STILL saying "cases are mild" ..but
Dec 05th 2021
20
      The severity of a case can be assessed long before death.
Dec 05th 2021
22
           Maybe, but I'm not statistican
Dec 05th 2021
23
piece of shit racist ass spanish newspaper
Dec 06th 2021
24
It was inevitable...may go as far as to say intentional
Dec 06th 2021
25
      south africa has more than enough vaccine.
Dec 06th 2021
26
looking more transmissible but less severe than delta (c) fauci
Dec 06th 2021
27
This makes sense. The only reason it is notable is the increased
Dec 06th 2021
28
While I welcome any potentially good news in regards to COVID
Dec 06th 2021
29
that was just when omicron was first officially identified and announced...
Dec 06th 2021
30
looking like good news in terms of vaccine effectiveness too.
Dec 06th 2021
32
planned a surprise Bday party for my wife, now I don't know how she'll r...
Dec 06th 2021
31
my wife is the same way
Dec 06th 2021
33
I think people just want to talk about nonsense
Dec 08th 2021
34
12/09/2021 Updates - Still largely unknown
Dec 09th 2021
35
12/12/2021 updates: Confusing but hopeful
Dec 12th 2021
36
This is definitely troublesome...
Dec 13th 2021
37
      Is it?
Dec 13th 2021
38
           Death reported - but who knows why (details inside)
Dec 13th 2021
39
           It is to me...for a couple reasons.
Dec 13th 2021
40
           The flu that used to kill 300-650k people yearly?
Dec 13th 2021
41
                how many people do you know who've died of the flu?
Dec 13th 2021
43
                     Countering stats w/ anecdotes!?
Dec 14th 2021
46
                          It's not a counter it's a question
Dec 17th 2021
78
New theory I heard on a podcast about rate of infection
Dec 13th 2021
42
12/14/2021: Data starts coming in
Dec 14th 2021
44
Stats like this are confusing to me...
Dec 14th 2021
45
this chart of cases from the uk is bad bad.
Dec 15th 2021
47
12/16/2024: mixed news
Dec 16th 2021
48
I appreciate you compiling these
Dec 16th 2021
49
So could this end up being a good thing?
Dec 16th 2021
50
no one has reported this
Dec 16th 2021
53
>huge spike in deaths,
Dec 16th 2021
54
      yup
Dec 16th 2021
55
Everyone, What does this mean to you?
Dec 21st 2021
97
just wanted to pop in here with a #themoreyouknow
Dec 16th 2021
51
I hope you do well
Dec 16th 2021
52
apparently the difference is the sore vs itchy/scratchy throat
Dec 16th 2021
56
I’m going to get tested within the hour
Dec 17th 2021
57
itchy throat and a soft cough due to nasal drip were the first symptoms
Dec 17th 2021
69
      Negative for COVID! PCR test
Dec 18th 2021
81
ive had two scares
Dec 17th 2021
76
What do these outbreaks among the vaccinated mean....
Dec 17th 2021
58
That institution-wide policy is primarily guided by liability concerns
Dec 17th 2021
59
also the most vaccinated areas/entities
Dec 17th 2021
61
Virus has changed a lot - I'll bet we get new vaccine
Dec 17th 2021
66
I had a conversation with an ER doctor last night
Dec 17th 2021
60
heres some good news about hospitalizations out of south africa.
Dec 17th 2021
62
aaaand a study out of uk says no evidence omicron is milder than delta.
Dec 17th 2021
64
      Yeah but the Vaccine though
Dec 17th 2021
67
      This goes back to what I was confused about in post 45...
Dec 17th 2021
68
           yeah and one big difference between usa and other countries
Dec 17th 2021
73
                GREAT point.
Dec 17th 2021
74
Keep rooting for it
Dec 17th 2021
63
12/17/2021: Mixed bag still - many unknowns - but bad is trending
Dec 17th 2021
65
From what I understand, things are pretty bad in England
Dec 17th 2021
70
I'm supposed to go to the UK for work in January...
Dec 17th 2021
71
cases skyrocketing in the uk but deaths seem to be stable.
Dec 17th 2021
72
if you have any cold symptoms (even mild), you probably have covid - UK
Dec 17th 2021
75
Well, they just moved PG County schools back to virtual
Dec 17th 2021
77
"As Omicron Hits, COVID Case Counts Don't Mean What They Used To"
Dec 18th 2021
79
BULLSHIT opinion piece
Dec 18th 2021
80
      ^^^^^^ all of this
Dec 18th 2021
84
      If you’d prefer to stay nervous, stay nervous
Dec 18th 2021
86
           he mentioned 100,000 dead recently and you got snarky
Dec 18th 2021
87
           We see your values
Dec 19th 2021
88
                This rings sooooo true
Dec 19th 2021
89
omicron
Dec 18th 2021
82
12/18/2021 - More bad news
Dec 18th 2021
83
SNL 12/18/2021
Dec 18th 2021
85
It's going to be really hard to avoid this... for everyone.
Dec 19th 2021
90
12/19/2021
Dec 19th 2021
91
12/20/2019
Dec 20th 2021
92
I really appreciate this post. It should be pinned
Dec 20th 2021
93
12/21/2021 : Omicron dominant
Dec 21st 2021
94
THIS RIGHT HERE...
Dec 21st 2021
95
      RE: THIS RIGHT HERE...
Dec 21st 2021
96
      their talking point lately is
Dec 21st 2021
98
           They are disingenuous AND stupid
Dec 21st 2021
99
                Yes. BOTH disingenuous AND stupid.
Dec 21st 2021
101
                     Several attendees of right wing conference suddenly mysteriously ill
Dec 22nd 2021
104
FYI - many people with omicron are testing negative at the onset
Dec 21st 2021
100
12/22/2021: Nearly a month - remember...
Dec 22nd 2021
102
That multi-purpose vaccine should be helpful
Dec 22nd 2021
103
this is the most people in my personal circle to get covid.
Dec 23rd 2021
105
12/23/2021
Dec 23rd 2021
106
12/24/2021: So much "hope" pinned on this
Dec 24th 2021
107
Are omicron particles smaller? Why do cloth masks not work?
Dec 24th 2021
108
      They’ve been consistent the entire pandemic that
Dec 24th 2021
109
      Cloth mask were never as good as other mask
Dec 24th 2021
110
      MASKS NEVER WORKED
Dec 27th 2021
113
           Are you serious?
Dec 27th 2021
114
                He LEGIT got that from the poster Musa
Dec 27th 2021
116
      it's not continuously changing, it's been really, really clear
Dec 27th 2021
117
           Cloth masks were better than no masks, if I'm not mistaken
Dec 28th 2021
124
Are these good?
Dec 24th 2021
111
I decided that only NIOSH masks should be used now ;)
Dec 27th 2021
112
12/27/2021; One Month in
Dec 27th 2021
115
Yea bc people are idiots
Dec 27th 2021
118
500,000 positive tests per day should trigger a shut down.
Dec 27th 2021
119
      almost feels like shutting things down
Dec 28th 2021
120
           Prolong the inevtiable??
Dec 28th 2021
122
                Plenty of people absolutely believe this
Dec 28th 2021
125
                yes.. I think its inevitable that people will get infected
Dec 28th 2021
135
My entire family potentially has this as of today......
Dec 28th 2021
121
damn
Dec 28th 2021
126
12/28/2021
Dec 28th 2021
123
The airlines asked for quarantine to be less
Dec 28th 2021
127
      people just worn out fam. Chill.
Dec 28th 2021
131
      You are making his point
Dec 28th 2021
133
      trump called covid a hoax.
Dec 28th 2021
138
      please stop. just stop. You're a hypocrite
Dec 28th 2021
159
      political energy is wasted energy. That’s my point.
Dec 28th 2021
145
           Literally everything is political
Dec 28th 2021
160
      nah.. he has a point
Dec 28th 2021
137
           dems did not call trump racist for blocking flights from china.
Dec 28th 2021
140
           so what about Joe's South Africa ban?
Dec 28th 2021
161
           they would but we could do that double standard thing all day
Dec 28th 2021
142
           why not?
Dec 28th 2021
164
           dog had the CDC cut isolation in half under Trump??
Dec 28th 2021
165
                Your premise of "unconditional love' for DEMs is faulty
Dec 29th 2021
170
      So that was the only reason?
Dec 28th 2021
141
      Wait, ya'll really believe HCQ is POISON?
Dec 28th 2021
144
      First, you don't think masks helps stop the spread of disease.
Dec 28th 2021
148
           I know masks don't work
Dec 29th 2021
171
      cmon. You're better than this.
Dec 28th 2021
162
           thank you
Dec 29th 2021
172
      yuuuuup
Dec 28th 2021
146
           fam that is not what biden said.
Dec 28th 2021
149
           Bad faith all around
Dec 28th 2021
150
           he did not say that. not at all.
Dec 28th 2021
151
                cool, so the federal govt is leaving the states to make individual
Dec 28th 2021
154
                     bro you were dead wrong. its ok. it happens.
Dec 28th 2021
155
                          Uh-huh.
Dec 28th 2021
157
                               Its funny they do the same thing they accused you of
Dec 28th 2021
163
                                    BRUH, THIS SHIT HERE:
Dec 29th 2021
166
                                    they think being critical of Dems = traitor/ alt-right simp
Dec 29th 2021
168
                                         Probably the most succinct and important statement to be made about
Sep 03rd 2022
413
im exhausted fam.
Dec 28th 2021
128
All this. That movie Don’t Look Up was blatant satire re:
Dec 28th 2021
130
      ha. yeah
Dec 28th 2021
132
      i see people calling the movie 'preachy'.
Dec 28th 2021
134
           yeah, it's not even preachy. it's openly clowning
Dec 28th 2021
136
                i dont understand why they can openly degrade/dehumanize us
Dec 28th 2021
143
                Yep - the people calling it preachy prove it's points.
Dec 28th 2021
153
That shit had me and my girl down and out
Dec 28th 2021
129
Are you vaccinated?
Dec 28th 2021
139
      Yeah but its been over 6 months. Was just about to
Dec 28th 2021
152
death rate for middle aged whites has *doubled*
Dec 28th 2021
147
white people: 70% of deaths since june, 80% of december
Dec 29th 2021
167
      the things that slide by
Dec 29th 2021
173
12/28/2021 update fo NYC
Dec 28th 2021
156
Yep. My agency ranged from about 3-5 positives per 7 days
Dec 28th 2021
158
12/29/2021 - Records broken
Dec 29th 2021
169
12/30/2021 - records broken again
Dec 30th 2021
174
Yeah…this isn’t going away…we living with this for a while…
Dec 31st 2021
175
01/02/2022
Jan 02nd 2022
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01/03/2022
Jan 03rd 2022
177
Here's some hospitalization/death numbers:
Jan 03rd 2022
179
88% effective against symptomatic infection?
Jan 03rd 2022
181
      88% in those "lab tests"
Jan 03rd 2022
184
           i caught it 3-4 weeks after the booster
Jan 03rd 2022
194
Vitamin D
Jan 03rd 2022
178
Another video
Jan 03rd 2022
183
Campbell's channel is really good
Jan 03rd 2022
185
yeah, i've been watching him
Jan 03rd 2022
186
Wrong place
Jan 03rd 2022
190
Campell going more crazy over time
Jan 22nd 2022
260
      Cambell now says COVID deats are over reported
Jan 26th 2022
263
           Campbell in love with ivermectin disinfomation
Mar 09th 2022
294
I wish this lady and Campbell were right, but it's flimsy
Jan 03rd 2022
188
      i didn't watch the ivermectin stuff
Jan 03rd 2022
189
      Found this study after a quick search on Google scholar
Jan 03rd 2022
191
      Just wanted to add
Jan 03rd 2022
193
           yeah that's where i get most of mine from...& my friends at the WHO/CDC
Feb 16th 2022
280
Most of us sent our kids off to get infected today...
Jan 03rd 2022
180
Our school district went virtual this week, with the plan to
Jan 03rd 2022
182
Charlotte schools start up tomorrow
Jan 03rd 2022
187
We are truly in a bizarro world timeline...
Jan 03rd 2022
192
      Biden admin wants schools open
Jan 06th 2022
198
           I'm more cautious than the current admin but things HAVE changed
Jan 06th 2022
199
           the bar should not be so low
Jan 07th 2022
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                RE: the bar should not be so low
Jan 07th 2022
203
                Nearly a quarter of hospitals are reporting a critical staff shortage
Jan 10th 2022
207
                My hospital detailed our policy this week
Jan 11th 2022
225
           Fuck him and Psaki forever for this
Jan 06th 2022
200
                Right? It doesn't even make sense politically
Jan 07th 2022
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                ^^^
Jan 10th 2022
208
                Lori Lightfoot has COVID
Jan 12th 2022
237
                     It's good she gets to isolate and recover, then work from home
Jan 13th 2022
244
My wife and I been worrying for weeks
Jan 04th 2022
195
01/04/2021 - 1 Million Cases a day
Jan 04th 2022
196
01/05/2022
Jan 05th 2022
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01/07/2022
Jan 07th 2022
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01/09/2022 - Stop calling it mild
Jan 09th 2022
205
lol @ that Tucker Carlson quote...
Jan 09th 2022
206
01/10/2022 - Even vaccinated people are pushing "herd immunity" now
Jan 10th 2022
209
When liberal is mostly a stand in for non right white people
Jan 10th 2022
210
I was just frustrated, sorry
Jan 10th 2022
211
most people are sheep
Jan 10th 2022
213
...
Jan 10th 2022
212
I do have to say
Jan 10th 2022
215
      Long COVID is real
Jan 10th 2022
216
      Of course.
Jan 10th 2022
217
      Risk reduction imo
Jan 10th 2022
218
      sounds like a
Jan 10th 2022
220
      Strap in for the next 5-10 years of this
Jan 10th 2022
219
      there's no good reason to do so. Which is why you're seeing
Feb 16th 2022
281
just an optimistic reminder...
Jan 10th 2022
214
...
Jan 10th 2022
221
      lmao
Jan 10th 2022
222
Holy Shit 1.3 Mil Cases yesterday
Jan 11th 2022
223
1/11/2022 - Record number of hospitalizations
Jan 11th 2022
224
RE: Vaxxed and done
Jan 11th 2022
226
I think my personal attitude/daily life choices lean "vaxxed and done"
Jan 11th 2022
227
      RE: so why continue to avoid living life?
Jan 11th 2022
228
      But at this point it seems like all we can control is our personal healt...
Jan 11th 2022
229
           Because of people in group 3...there should be national mandates
Jan 11th 2022
230
           I support mandates
Jan 11th 2022
235
           Having kids complicates your option 1...
Jan 11th 2022
232
      >so why continue to avoid living life?
Jan 11th 2022
233
      I guess, for me, "living my life" doesn't mean going 100% back to pre-CO...
Jan 11th 2022
234
      Exactly, my approach from the beginning has always been the same
Jan 11th 2022
236
      We got real lax this summer
Jan 12th 2022
240
      Bruh, you went to Disneyland
Jan 12th 2022
239
      this is, easily, the most pragmatic Covid post I've read on OKP
Jan 12th 2022
241
      yeah, i'm pretty much here too
Jan 12th 2022
242
I will feel Vaxxed and done once my infant daughters us vaxxed
Jan 11th 2022
231
01/12/2022
Jan 12th 2022
238
Can't find at home tests. No available appointments.
Jan 12th 2022
243
That’s what’s crazy about the high case levels….
Jan 13th 2022
245
      Yeah. Numbers have to be much higher.
Jan 13th 2022
246
           Or what about the people who do multiple test a week?
Jan 13th 2022
248
                my state tracks by individual...please stop
Jan 13th 2022
249
                Just want to push back on one thing here (RE: "free" vaccine)
Jan 16th 2022
252
                     cmon
Jan 16th 2022
253
                That's so dumb i thought you were being sarcastic at first. Lmao
Jan 17th 2022
256
01/13/2022
Jan 13th 2022
247
anyone savvy enough to put together some data?
Jan 14th 2022
250
John Hopkins has a lot of data like that, but....
Jan 16th 2022
251
01/17/2022
Jan 17th 2022
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On more 01/17/2022
Jan 17th 2022
255
01/18/2022
Jan 18th 2022
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01/19/2002 - The UK goes Florida
Jan 19th 2022
258
01/21/2022 (Still less than 2 months since Omicron identified)
Jan 21st 2022
259
01/23/2022 - deaths still HIGH
Jan 23rd 2022
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01/24/2022 - TWO MONTHS IN
Jan 24th 2022
262
01/28/2022
Jan 28th 2022
264
There really isn't a vaccine for kids under 5.
Jan 28th 2022
265
What was the results of your trial?
Jan 29th 2022
266
      For me or my kid?
Jan 31st 2022
268
           your kid, we don’t care about you… j/k
Feb 10th 2022
270
01/31/2022
Jan 31st 2022
267
02/10/2022 Highest deaths rates in a year
Feb 10th 2022
269
so, why are all these places loosening restrictions?
Feb 10th 2022
271
      cause America is tired of it and the weather is getting better
Feb 10th 2022
272
      They blame the gov't for loosening restrictions last year...
Feb 10th 2022
273
           institutions have been failing on this topic for years now
Feb 10th 2022
275
                I guess I can see a difference between...
Feb 16th 2022
278
                The gravitas you are rightfully calling for would incite a LOT of ????
Feb 16th 2022
282
      Because the case numbers are down.
Feb 10th 2022
274
           Case numbers down - but relative to what numbers
Feb 10th 2022
276
                Oh I absolutely agree...just saying what is being used for
Feb 10th 2022
277
02/16/2022 -
Feb 16th 2022
279
Denmark
Feb 17th 2022
283
      Lots of complaining about this one on social media
Feb 17th 2022
284
           Denmark's case numbers for the pandemic are weird...
Feb 17th 2022
285
02/18/2022 - Ba2 may be more severe than B1
Feb 18th 2022
286
Anybody really surprised?
Feb 18th 2022
287
02/23/2022
Feb 23rd 2022
288
so is it true most mask mandates end March 1st?
Feb 27th 2022
289
Is this a bit???
Feb 28th 2022
290
Big mask!
Feb 28th 2022
291
3/2/2022 TEST TO TREAT!!!!!!!
Mar 02nd 2022
292
03/09/2022
Mar 09th 2022
293
03/10/2022 DELTACRON??
Mar 10th 2022
295
Transformers Season 3, after the Movie...
Mar 10th 2022
296
03/13/2022 - Obama and booster
Mar 13th 2022
297
03/25/2022 - Omicron not sleeping
Mar 25th 2022
298
03/28/2002 - Free tests ending
Mar 28th 2022
299
03/29/2022 - Boosters
Mar 29th 2022
300
CDC Green Lights 4th Dose Boosters For Most Americans Over 50
Mar 29th 2022
301
04/02/2022 - Records in the UK - and the US
Apr 02nd 2022
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04/08/2022 - remember when MILLIONS of people got covid every day? Gues ...
Apr 08th 2022
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04/13//2022
Apr 13th 2022
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Vice President Harris tests positive
Apr 26th 2022
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04/27/2022
Apr 27th 2022
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Hurray for endemics !!
Apr 27th 2022
307
Pandemic for the rest of the world though
Apr 27th 2022
308
They have to rip this mask and gloves off me.
Apr 27th 2022
309
vaccinated were 4 in 10 deaths in Jan and Feb
Apr 27th 2022
310
      While it’s true that we were seeing higher deaths among those
Apr 27th 2022
311
      You shouldn't be vaxxed and dying from COVID
May 29th 2022
      You shouldn't be vaxxed and dying from COVID
May 29th 2022
336
      WTF? Did you even read the thread you are reposting??
Apr 27th 2022
312
           ^^^^^^^^^ exactly
Apr 28th 2022
313
           What % of current “Covid deaths” are deaths FROM covid
Apr 28th 2022
314
           https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/covid-19.htm
May 02nd 2022
316
           Yes. Bottom line is the vaccines alone are not the answer
May 29th 2022
335
05/02/2022 - San Diego updates
May 02nd 2022
315
05/03/2022
May 03rd 2022
317
Let's see what the numbers do between Memorial Day and 4th of July
May 04th 2022
318
RE: 05/03/2022
May 04th 2022
319
      I have a private theatre rental on Sunday
May 05th 2022
320
           I think I'm going to wait on this movie...
May 05th 2022
321
05/06/2022
May 06th 2022
322
05/07/2022- coming back strong!
May 07th 2022
323
05/16/2022 - 1 million
May 16th 2022
324
RE: 05/16/2022 - 1 million
May 16th 2022
325
      Pfizer or Moderna?
May 16th 2022
326
           RE: Pfizer or Moderna?
May 16th 2022
327
                Cool. Yeah I need to figure out the proper timing. I have some
May 16th 2022
328
11/24/2021 - 05/24/2021 Six month-aversery!
May 24th 2022
329
RE: 11/24/2021 - 05/24/2021 Six month-aversery!
May 24th 2022
330
05/29/2022 - Covid cases over 100,000 and you won't see masks (almost)
May 29th 2022
331
I avoided getting Covid this entire time. Positive test this morning.
May 29th 2022
332
      Lotta people I know getting it this week
May 29th 2022
333
      Hoep you do okay - no shame
May 29th 2022
334
      Thanks - I’m doing great at the moment. Really the only bad
May 30th 2022
337
      Same thing happened to me today. I work in public education
May 30th 2022
338
      Yep, caught it last week. Same deal.
Jun 27th 2022
341
06/09/2022 - Surge!
Jun 09th 2022
339
06/27/2022 - HUGE surge (where I'm at)
Jun 27th 2022
340
definitely a surge here too
Jun 27th 2022
342
07/01/2022 - Omicron boosters proably coming
Jul 01st 2022
343
Pulse oximeters and dark skin
Jul 02nd 2022
344
07/05/2022
Jul 05th 2022
345
my number got called, it got me...
Jul 05th 2022
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Dang! Sorry to hear that. Every time I cough or have a headache
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just placed my second order with the post office for 8 more....
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RE: Dang! Sorry to hear that. Every time I cough or have a headache
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Where do you *think* you got it?
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I've thought hard about it and...
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got me (and like 10 people in my family) recently too.
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      RE: got me (and like 10 people in my family) recently too.
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      RE: got me (and like 10 people in my family) recently too.
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can someone educate me on reinfection?
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Some
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RE: can someone educate me on reinfection?
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still a lot of unknowns with reinfection and long covid
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I finally got it....
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I got COVID 1 year ago today
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07/11/2022
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good blog post here on future of covid vaccines
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That could really help
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yea, it seems like the future
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You'll probably want a better source
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07/13/2020
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07/21/2022 - Biden caught COVID :(
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I'll even go easy on you here
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      Kinder, politer, slow genocide
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      ...
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      Too many people are taking precautions and still catching it
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      JUST GET THE VAXXXXX!!!!
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           What kind of insanity did you just post?
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Finally got got
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Same. Got it did the first time
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Mom got COVID last night
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Definitely odd considering Biden’s care package
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Molnupiravir may just have fewer drug interactions
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Damn, man...hoping for the best
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She's doing OK today, but is sick
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      She says she feels "normal" again
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           Feeling great, but still testing positive
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                Good.
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                glad to hear she's faring well
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                Good to hear.
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                She tested negative yesterday
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8/12/2022 - CDC gives up
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To be fair
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It's crazy what is being normalized these days
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08/15/2022
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COVID test expiration dates lengthened
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08/23/2022
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08/26/2022 - Moderna SUES Pfizer!!!
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that could have some big implications next time
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      As someone who worked in pharma....
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           I'm a big vaccine supporter but this is an AWFUL look
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                From what I understand, it's not nearly as big a deal as it sounds.
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08/27/2022
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Articles from the last month
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one question I've had since the beginning of Covid:
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Why?
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this has been studied, and it has been desired
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FYI...this Friday is the last day to order free covid tests...
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8 COVID tests per month are covered by insurance
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thanks. never got my last order
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08/31/2022 -F.D.A. Authorizes Updated Covid Booster Shots, Targeting Om...
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Seriously though, any new tools coming cuz this is rough
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      Deleted
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           This is such a bad-faith dodge of legitimate questions
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           Your judgement is faulty
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                You're inflexibly looking at the data
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                .
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                Why is this so hard for you man?
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           wow so nothing?
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09/01/2022
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09/03/2022
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Got mine scheduled for Wednesday at Walgreens
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I didn't realize they'd be available so fast
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07/07/2022
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Paul Offit Votes Against Bivalent Boosters
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^^Post designed to seem reasonable but mainly just to cast doubt
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      if by "cast doubt" you mean critical thinking - sure.
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09/12/2022
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09/13/2022
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so why isn't there one?
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      Operation Warp Speed is still going on, in a different name
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9/15/2022 (Not even 10 months in)
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09/16/2022
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9/18/2022 - Biden declares pandemic over - fucking disaster
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People are quick to point out Abbott and DeSantis using human lives for
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      somehow kidnapping people seems worse
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      I was comparing motives
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      ^^Both side-ism ( Biden's statement WAS stupid)
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           I was comparing the motives
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                You were making a lazy and wrong judgement (wrong at this point)
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                     I literally said what I'm assuming his motive is
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                          he's really invested in Biden being a hero against
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                          Here's where your wrong
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                          Back to Normal Thanksgiving… Almost
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                          RE: I literally said what I'm assuming his motive is
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                               Let er' rip (c) Rs 10.2020
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                                    ....
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09/19/2022
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I'm with you on this Handle
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09/22/2022
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This new variant is a beast right?
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You mean BF.7? Or Ba 2.75
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3+ reinfections risk > 2 reinfections risk > 1 reinfection risk
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Finally caught the Rona.. smh
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Consider getting the medicine
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got it.. mouth taste like its filled with dirty pennies
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      RE: got it.. mouth taste like its filled with dirty pennies
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Haven't gotten it so far but I feel like it's inevitable
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09/26/2022 - San Diego news
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what needs to happen for you
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      Cases need to go below average flu year numbers
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      and THANK YOU for caring so much to keep this post going
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      why does where he spends his energy concern you?
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10/04/2022
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10/07/2022
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10/10/2022
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10/12/2022
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Forgot one
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10/14/2022
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Updated on school absences - it's likely the Flu
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      Wife and I got boosted and flu shots
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10/20/2022
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What does it mean to be fully vaccinated nowadays?
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It stayed the same - but CDC now recommends being "up to date"
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11/10/2022
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11/12/2022
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11/15/2022
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Eric Topol has a Substack newsletter now
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11/16/2022
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11/19/2022
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1 year in - not looking great
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11/30/2022
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^^I still don't know about this
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12/06/2022
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started wearing mine at the job again...
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      I've noticed A LOT more coughing lately
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12/07/2022
Dec 07th 2022
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12/08/2021
Dec 08th 2022
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12/14/2022
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Ugh. My 13yo daughter caught it after 2+ years
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The variants really changed the game
Dec 14th 2022
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after all this time
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Udpate:Free tests available again
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12/16/2022
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12/18/2022
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12/19/2022
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12/22/2022
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12/23/2022
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12/23/2022 - One for Stadiq
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12/28/2022
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01/01/2023
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01/05/2023
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01/10/2023
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01/15/2023 - Shitshow
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01/23/2023
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RE: 01/23/2023
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      I just want for better vaccine and better treatments to hit
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tariqhu
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1. "just got my booster this week. "
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hopefully the current vaccines will handle this new new. guess we'll find out.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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2. "RE: The Omicron coronavirus variant (B.1.1.529) thread"
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cancelling my trip to kenya in two weeks. i've being planning this trip for three years and have moved this trip three times. my concern isn't even catching covid, its having my flight cancelled or restricted from traveling to seychelles after kenya. everyone is so panicked, who knows what is going to happen in two weeks.

  

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3. "RESET BUTTON"
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4. "sounds like some Transformer villain"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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21. "Unicron."
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Stoicism and chill.
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Stay +.
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5. "so a woman I knew in HS posted photos of her son in the hospital"
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he got covid and 6 weeks later had some serious issues that had him laid up in the hospital for weeks. It was bad.. and he isn’t out of the woods yet bjt finally out of the hospital.

Going to get my daughter signed up for her vax.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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6. "This has been a weird way to learn the Greek alphabet..."
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9. "What do we go to when we hit the end of the alphabet?"
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Do like bra sizes and go “double-Alpha”?
Go to a whole ‘nother alphabet?

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10. "https://www.fox13news.com/news/no-more-greek-letters-heres-what-will-hap..."
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https://www.fox13news.com/news/no-more-greek-letters-heres-what-will-happen-when-we-run-out-of-hurricane-names-this-time

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But hell, what do I know?

  

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13. "Deshaun AND Tayshawn?!"
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Yes! She's on the drugs. (c) BoHagon

  

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15. "was about to mention this. we already did this w/ hurricanes. crazy. nm"
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peace & blessings,

x.

www.twitter.com/poetx

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focus on working hard you end up making someone else rich and
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453. "this just reminded me how EYE learne it"
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lit matches were involved


"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

  

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7. "scientists sounding a lot less gloomy."
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the virus is seemingly more transmissible but also more mild than delta and/or the vaccine (especially with booster) is still very effective against it.

  

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11. "all the scientists I know are like "we don't know anything and won't for..."
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weeks"
www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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12. "This is why I'm not reading any more omicron articles"
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As soon as it dropped it was a new thing for every news site to beat to death in 40 different fear mongering articles that all have one sentence buried in it saying "we don't know shit yet". I'll give af when there's a reason to.

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14. "definitely felt like a well timed scare tactic"
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I’m sure every home had the “omg Omnicron” talk at Thanksgiving

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16. "omfg"
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WELL TIMED SCARE TACTIC

or maybe most msm is just bad at their jobs

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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17. "27 paragraphs in "no one knows anything""
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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8. "11/19/2021 updates"
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No news on severity or transmissibility.
No news on vaccine effectiveness.
No news on anti-viral effectiveness.

Travel bans:
U.S. Travel bans apparently only bars non-citizens at this point. So if you are a citizen and coming from a 'banned' country you can still get in. (Seems pretty useless.)

Vaccines:
Both Pfizer and Moderna announce they are working on new vaccine targeting variant

More cases found:
Detected in Canada now.
Portugal's football team has 13 cases
6 cases in Scottland - not all have travelled
Also:
Europe

Austria
Belgium
Denmark
England
France
Germany
Italy
The Netherlands
Portugal
Scotland
Switzerland (probable case)
Africa

Botswana
South Africa
Middle East

Israel
Asia and the Pacific

Australia
Hong Kong

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18. "Gonna start slinging this Novavax blood on the corner"
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Who trying to get some

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19. "12/03/2021 updates"
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More cases, including in the U.S.

Scientist think it's twice as contagious as the delta variant.

Reports from South Africa that it's infected children under 5:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/omicron-variant-puttings-huge-numbers-of-kids-under-5-years-old-in-hospital-in-south-africa

No actually clinical data but the "rumors" are that cases are less severe than delta - but AGIAN no data yet - data follow infection by around 3 weeks.


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handle
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20. "Media reports are STILL saying "cases are mild" ..but"
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The news is pushing "cases are mild" narrative - when WE KNOW DEATHS TAKE 2-8 WEEKS TO BE REPORTED!!

I hope it stays mild, but I'm waiting for a HUGE BACKLASH if we have a week of this "reporting" mild cases and then deaths occurs at similar (or greater rates) than O.G., Alpha and Delta.

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22. "The severity of a case can be assessed long before death."
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You don't have to wait to see if someone died to determine if the case was severe or not.

  

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23. "Maybe, but I'm not statistican"
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>You don't have to wait to see if someone died to determine if
>the case was severe or not.
You have to wait a certain period of time AND since msot COVID cases are not severe you need some significant amount of data to draw from.

The reports I've been seeing that cite numbers are citing "Out of 20 cases none have been severe."
Example:
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/04/covid-news-what-we-know-about-us-omicron-cases.html

--
Oh,I missed that a South African hospital posted a report, but the data is very preliminary and it represents a small amount of cases:
https://www.samrc.ac.za/news/tshwane-district-omicron-variant-patient-profile-early-features

"It is essential to recognize that the patient information presented here only represents the first two weeks of the Omicron wave in Tshwane. The clinical profile of admitted patients could change significantly over the next two weeks, by which time we can draw conclusions about the severity of disease with greater precision.

Though the NICD has confirmed that almost all cases of SARS-C0V-2 in Tshwane are due to the new variant, we have not been able to establish that in every instance the variant is Omicron as the PCR machine in use at the SBAH laboratory does not screen for the S-gene. A reasonable assumption is being made that the cases described here represent infection with the new variant.

The main observation that we have made over the last two weeks is that the majority of patients in the COVID wards have not been oxygen dependent. SARS-CoV-2 has been an incidental finding in patients that were admitted to the hospital for another medical, surgical or obstetric reason."

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24. "piece of shit racist ass spanish newspaper"
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https://twitter.com/yodifiji/status/1467446247787274244

In general, the response to the Omicron variant has really shown how racist these so-called developed countries are, and the fact that evidence is suggesting that the variant didn't even stem from South Africa (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/02/where-did-omicron-covid-variant-come-from-and-where-is-it-circulating.html) yet countries continue to ban southern African nations is egregious.

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I hope you live a life you’re proud of. If you find that you’re not, I hope you have the strength to start all over again.

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25. "It was inevitable...may go as far as to say intentional"
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https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/covid-19-vaccination-rates-by-country

Africa as a continent is not vaxxed
That's how the virus works
Not making the vaxx available to all is basically a breeding ground for variants
Big Pharma is holding on to those IP rights
...otherwise...we'd probably be out of this nonsense by now...for the most part

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26. "south africa has more than enough vaccine. "
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but...like america...they have more than enough antivaxxers too.

their problem isnt scarcity. its hesistancy. to the point that they actually had to tell vaccine manufacturers to slow shipments to the country.

they are only 35% fully vaxxed but have already hit a wall in terms of people willing to get the vax.

this was from right before the omicron news broke out:
https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/exclusive-south-africa-delays-covid-vaccine-deliveries-inoculations-slow-2021-11-24/

  

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27. "looking more transmissible but less severe than delta (c) fauci"
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https://twitter.com/AP/status/1467617048897499138

  

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28. "This makes sense. The only reason it is notable is the increased"
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level of transmissibility, but from what scientists have said, the variants should typically be decreasing in severity as time goes on.

Still means omicron is dangerous for unvaccinated people and those at higher risk, and definitely another reason to get your booster shot.

  

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29. "While I welcome any potentially good news in regards to COVID"
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I also remember hearing that it would take at least two weeks to get definitive word on how severe Omnicron is. This is little over a week since Omnicron was first detected if I'm not mistaken.

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30. "that was just when omicron was first officially identified and announced..."
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>This is
>little over a week since Omnicron was first detected if I'm
>not mistaken.

theyve traced the strain to cases in europe/netherlands that occurred a little earlier.

  

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32. "looking like good news in terms of vaccine effectiveness too."
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https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1467928970092068864

  

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31. "planned a surprise Bday party for my wife, now I don't know how she'll r..."
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My wife has been sooo careful during covid, I swear she is made for the apocalypses. Given that though, she is so dubious about meeting up or going out with people.


I started planning a surprise bday a month ago for the 18th of Dec. It will be only family, about 20 in all and it will both outside/inside kinda deal.

Out of all the 20 guest, the only person not vaccinated against Covid is our 6 month old daughter. All adults have gotten their boosters and all the other children have gotten their 2 doses.

I'm not sure if it'll be an issue. I am trying to make it as covid conscious as possible, but this fucking variant is making me doubt myself.

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33. "my wife is the same way"
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and the 6 month old is def a reason to hesitate or be against it

but I think sometimes my wife doesn’t want to do stuff and uses covid as an excuse.

we went to Vegas tho.. no issues, lol.

coworker has a baby shower she doesn’t feel like attending? “ehhhh, covid yo”

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34. "I think people just want to talk about nonsense"
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One thing is for sure the travel ban is overtly racist. But racism is just an excuse.

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35. "12/09/2021 Updates - Still largely unknown"
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"Concerning stories"
4th shot may be needed, but 2 shots likely prevents severe disease: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/12/09/covid-omicron-variant-live-updates/


"Good news"
CDC says data on severity from new variant thus far is "mild" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/09/cdc-chief-omicron-mild-early-data-us-spread-variant

Looks like it is still gonna be a few weeks before we really know more.

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36. "12/12/2021 updates: Confusing but hopeful"
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Looks like the vaccines are less likely to stop INFECTION but may be helpful in preventing severe disease - but the numbers are still too small to nail it down.

Both stories are for Pfizer. No Moderna or other vaccine studies released yet. No work on the monoclonal anti-bodies or any of the ant-viral pills.


Israeli study:
'Three shots of Pfizer COVID vaccine 4x less effective against Omicron'
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/two-covid-vaccine-shots-does-not-protect-against-omicron-sheba-688496

She added that “it looks like with Omicron there is a chance that people with the booster could get infected, but have much less chance of getting seriously infected.”

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Pfizer Course Has 23% Efficacy Vs. Omicron in South African Study
https://time.com/6127710/omicron-pfizer/

A two-shot course of Pfizer Inc.’s vaccine has just 22.5% efficacy against symptomatic infection with the omicron variant, but can thwart severe disease, according to laboratory experiments in South Africa.

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Most reported U.S. Omicron cases have hit the fully vaccinated -CDC
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/most-reported-us-omicron-cases-have-hit-fully-vaccinated-cdc-2021-12-10/

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said that of the 43 cases attributed to Omicron variant, 34 people had been fully vaccinated. Fourteen of them had also received a booster, although five of those cases occurred less than 14 days after the additional shot before full protection kicks in.

Among the Omicron cases, 25 were in people aged 18 to 39 and 14 had traveled internationally. Six people had previously been infected with the coronavirus.

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37. "This is definitely troublesome..."
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38. "Is it? "
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Honestly - we never know anything until months after we THINK we do, but it'd seem like this variant ACTUALLY turns covid into the cold/flu. No deaths so far, and while nobody wants to get sick - if this becomes the dominant strain, isn't that preferable?

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39. "Death reported - but who knows why (details inside)"
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Britain reports first death with Omicron coronavirus variant
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/britain-says-omicron-spreading-phenomenal-rate-2021-12-13/

What the article says: Someone with omicron died in the UK. Died from what? No idea. could have been COVID. Could have come in with a heart attack, got a positive COVID test, then died falling down stairs.


Conclusion: None.

The death numbers take weeks to be recorded - so it's still very unknown if this strain causes less damage and/or death at this point.

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40. "It is to me...for a couple reasons."
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If the transmissibility of this variant is high, with vaccines (including boosters) offering minimal protection against getting it, I worry about vaccinated folks (like me) getting it and passing on to those who can't get vaccinated for one reason or another.

For me specifically, both of my kids are vaxxed (my youngest is 7, just got his second dose so he isn't "fully" protected for another week or so. They are in school full time, and cases in the district have been skyrocketing. But I have a baby niece who is 15 months, obviously too young to get vaxxed. We'd been keeping her a few times a month, but news like this absolutely gives me pause about continuing that - I'd be horrified if one of my kids got sick and passed it on to her.

That situation isn't unique - I have plenty of friends/family with kids too young to get vaxxed, or people who ARE fully vaccinated but have other health conditions which might put them in the category of needing hospitalization. I have an employee of mine, fully vaxxed, who just got out of the hospital with a breakthrough case. She has several underlying health conditions, but is definitely an example that if a more transmissible varrient is out there spreading without the vaccines keeping the spread down, it's gonna eventually have some inpact when it comes to hospitalizations/deaths.

You also have the public perception issue of folks STILL holding out on getting vaccinated, and this just adds another thing to add to their confirmation bias...

  

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41. "The flu that used to kill 300-650k people yearly?"
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The flu that no longer exists?

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43. "how many people do you know who've died of the flu?"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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46. "Countering stats w/ anecdotes!?"
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LOL how the mighty have fallen. 50K Americans die yearly of FLU but since RJCC the troll of the decaade doesnt know any (do you know anybody in real life?) then it can't possibly be like COVID

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78. "It's not a counter it's a question"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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42. "New theory I heard on a podcast about rate of infection"
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In the Bubble with Andy Slavitt
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/preparing-for-the-omicron-wave-with-trevor-bedford/id1504128553?i=1000544783870

Theory is: Omicron may not be more transmissible than Delta - just that the delta is not spreading as fast as it could have because people have some prior immunity from delta if they had any previous strain of covid.

The theory is Omicron may evade some of that immunity to it appears to spread faster than delta because prior immunity is not slowing it down nearly too the same degree.

No theory on severity mentioned, just on how "fast" it appears to be spreading.


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44. "12/14/2021: Data starts coming in"
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-omicron-variant-real-world-data-pfizer-vaccine-prevents-hospitalization/

Real-world data suggest 2 doses of Pfizer vaccine 70% effective at preventing hospitalization with Omicron variant

Note from me: Not 70% against infection.
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/pfizer-says-its-covid-19-pill-likely-works-against-omicron-11639482302

Pfizer Says Its Covid-19 Pill Likely Works Against Omicron
Antiviral drug Paxlovid stayed 89% effective at reducing the risk of hospitalization and death in a final analysis of a key study in high-risk adults

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https://www.businessinsider.com/us-expect-large-wave-omicron-cases-hospitalization-biden-official-axios-2021-12

A 'large wave' of Omicron cases and hospitalizations is coming to the US, Biden official tells Axios





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45. "Stats like this are confusing to me..."
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>Real-world data suggest 2 doses of Pfizer vaccine 70%
>effective at preventing hospitalization with Omicron variant
>
>Note from me: Not 70% against infection.

I read the article but didn't see the detail there - 70% of what? In other words, is this saying that 30% of people who had 2 Pfizer vaccine doses but got breakthrough cases of Omicron ended up in the hospital, while 70% or those with 2 Pfizer vaccine doses that got breakthrough cases didn't end up in the hospital with Omicron? (In this case 100% of those in the study would have gotten breakthrough cases.)

Or is it saying that 70% of those with 2 Pfizer doses didn't go to the hospital (separate from accounting for protection against breakthrough cases - so in this case an unknown percentage of those in the study would have gotten breakthrough cases, while the rest of those vaccinated didn't get Covid at all.)

Or is it saying that 2 Pfizer doses are 70% as effective against hospitalization for Omicron vs against prior variants of Covid like Delta?

  

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47. "this chart of cases from the uk is bad bad."
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGqrbl8X0AIvDom?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

you might miss it but that red dot on the right is the continuing spike.

its looking like hospitalizations/deaths arent as bad as delta percentage wise. but with such an increase in raw cases...deaths/hospitalizations could still be significant even if at a lower percentage. and most of the increases we are already seeing here are because of delta without omicron fully hitting yet (we usually lag the uk/eu by some weeks). so 2 waves together really with waning vaccine effectiveness (both natural and vs omicron) sans booster. and you can see how this could get ugly for our state health systems really quick.

it says a lot that florida has highest rate rise in the *winter*.
https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1470444081750892545

  

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48. "12/16/2024: mixed news"
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Omicron variant may multiply 70 times faster than delta, study finds:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/12/16/covid-sports-leagues-vaccinations-omicron-variant/8917732002/

The omicron variant multiplies 70 times faster in the human bronchial tubes than the initial COVID-19 infection or the delta variant, according to a new study from the University of Hong Kong.

The lightning-fast spread within people may explain why the variant may transmit faster among humans than previous versions, the researchers say. Their study also showed the omicron infection in the lung is significantly lower than the original SARS-CoV-2, which may be an indicator of lower disease severity. The research is currently under peer review for publication.
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Current Covid boosters are enough to fight the omicron variant, Fauci says
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/current-covid-boosters-are-enough-fight-omicron-variant-fauci-says-rcna8868

"Our booster vaccine regimens work against omicron. At this point, there is no need for a variant-specific booster," Fauci, also the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said.

During Wednesday's briefing, Fauci cited lab data showing that a third dose of Moderna's Covid-19 vaccine increases the shots' ability to neutralize the omicron variant by a "substantial degree." That research, he said, will be available to the public in the coming days or weeks.

Last week, Pfizer and its partner BioNTech said that their analysis of blood samples in a lab showed a third dose of their Covid vaccine offered strong protection against the omicron variant.

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Cornell University Reports 930 COVID Cases, Including Omicron Variant
By Carolyn Crist

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20211215/cornell-university-covid-cases-omicron

Dec. 15, 2021 -- Cornell University reported 930 new coronavirus cases among students and staff Dec. 7-13, with a “very high percentage” identified as Omicron variant cases in fully vaccinated people.

“Virtually every case of the Omicron variant to date has been found in fully vaccinated students, a portion of whom had also received a booster shot,” Joel Malina, the vice president for university relations, told CNN.

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49. "I appreciate you compiling these"
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No additional comment. These have been informative and convenient to read. Thanks!

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50. "So could this end up being a good thing?"
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The virus multiplying much more greatly in the bronchial tubes but much less in the lungs is in line with other studies about it being way more transmissible but significantly less severe…so is this a way to eventually get us to herd immunity without a huge spike in deaths, regardless of the consistent group of people against getting vaccinated?

  

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53. "no one has reported this"
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but i hope the virus is adapting to essentially become another version of the common cold

more easily transmitted, less severe keeps viruses from burning out too quickly (hosts don't die so the virus has a better chance of surviving)

still wish we had more mitigation strategies in place in case it heads the other direction again

  

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54. ">huge spike in deaths,"
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If it's much more transmissible but only slightly less severe then you could end up with more disease AND more deaths.

I don't think we know how this scenario will actually play out.

What if it is more transmissible AND the more severe? Then it's a lot worse.

Going have to wait and see.

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55. "yup"
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97. "Everyone, What does this mean to you?"
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>“Virtually every case of the Omicron variant to date has
>been found in fully vaccinated students, a portion of whom had
>also received a booster shot,” Joel Malina, the vice
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51. "just wanted to pop in here with a #themoreyouknow"
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tested positive and i'm pretty sure it's omicron. i'm three shots in and so far have mild symptoms.

started off with an itchy throat and post nasal drip with a corresponding light cough, followed by lower back pain... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/lower-back-pain-scratchy-throat-emerge-symptoms-omicron/

now it's basically congestion. similar to a cold but actually not as harsh (at the moment).

so the moral of the story is, get tested even with the most minimal symptoms. with this going around now there is a good chance you do not have seasonal congestion or allergies or a mild cold. you probably have covid. and i think there is a lot of community spread happening because people are out and about with a stuffy nose or itchy throat thinking nothing of it. so yeah, get tested if you feel off in the slightest.

  

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52. "I hope you do well"
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My ,likely delta, infection in July also started with a sore throat.

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56. "apparently the difference is the sore vs itchy/scratchy throat"
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Thu Dec-16-21 05:25 PM by RandomFact

  

          

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/585915-the-symptom-that-tells-you-youve-caught-omicron

that's why i think there are a ton of people walking around with this right now thinking it's nothing. that's why we're seeing cases surge in industries with frequent testing (ie sports) and not so much in society as a whole (at least that's the case here in LA). under the surface I think omicron is already running rampant.

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57. "I’m going to get tested within the hour"
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I’ve had that itchy/scratchy throat feeling - feels like a peanut skin is stuck in there or something. Very annoying.

Was up coughing since 3 AM.

Got used to checking temp. and blood oxygen levels since COVID started - those have been fine. And otherwise I feel fine other than the coughing and a mildly stuffy nose. But I didn’t realize Omicron’s symptoms are so different. I’m thinking I have it, but we’ll see.

  

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69. "itchy throat and a soft cough due to nasal drip were the first symptoms"
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followed by congestion/stuffy nose and a fucked up lower back.

these are all the main symptoms reported of omicron. it mirrors a common cold (for many, especially if vaccinated).

  

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81. "Negative for COVID! PCR test"
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That’s a relief, with Christmas a week away. Must just have a cold, which is starting to clear up.

  

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76. "ive had two scares"
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one was after a business trip in october, came back with a stuffy nose. negative.

second one was yesterday. my landlord stopped by the house to do some maintenance last friday. yesterday he told me he tested positive for covid. i got tested yesterday and negative.

i havent really had a reason to get tested other than these times. havent felt any symptoms or had reason to suspect i was exposed.

that test sucks, straight up feels like your brain is being poked. it doesnt last for long but it is unpleasant. that said i will continue to test as necessary.

got my booster two weeks ago so hopefully i keep avoiding this thing.

  

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58. "What do these outbreaks among the vaccinated mean...."
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...mean for the efficacy of the vaccines and for public policy?

Cornell--97% fully vaccinated. They have a recent outbreak and shut the university down. Other universities experiencing surges too, even though they are highly vaccinated.

NBA--97% fully vaccinated (60% boosted). Outbreak. Players held out, games postponed.

NHL--Highly vaccinated. Outbreak. Games postponed

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59. "That institution-wide policy is primarily guided by liability concerns"
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Most of the decisions made by the private bodies that you're naming, universities and sports leagues, are being made because those institutions are concerned with bad press and lawsuits - not necessarily in that order.

Doesn't mean they're the wrong decisions. But they're reflecting a lot broader calculus than vaccine efficacy and disease severity. Lawyers and accountants factor into them just as much as doctors.Even if I don't like the basis for the reasoning, it's one of the few material forces that's pushing us toward caution rather than just shouting "BUSINESS!" like our country usually does.

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61. "also the most vaccinated areas/entities"
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are gonna strongly correlate with higher and more robust levels of testing, reporting, variant identifying/tracing, etc.

no doubt omicron is doing its thing among unvaccinated, rurals, etc
(like every other wave/variant). but the quantifying capacity isnt in those places right now.

itll become clear when the hospitalizations/deaths are several times higher from omicron in those places compared to the places who are already addressing it now tho. even tho its more mild overall...the same disparities will be there.

  

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66. "Virus has changed a lot - I'll bet we get new vaccine"
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Seems like boosted people THS FAR are doing okay - the rest of the data is still unknow at this time.

But I'll bet we get a new vaccine sooner than later.

And hopefully the Pfizer Covid treatment pill PAXLOVID will be on the market soon.

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60. "I had a conversation with an ER doctor last night"
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Our kids are in the same class and this woman was almost in tears every time I talked to her last year at the height of COVID.

I saw her last night because our kids are in the same class and the school decided to start Christmas Break early and cancel the last two days of school and she was saying it was bullshit.

That is, COVID cases may be up but ICU Hospitalizations are not up. Among the vaccinated, testing positive for COVID means a cold and not necessarily a bad cold for most.

That's anecdotal (and of course fits neatly with my perspective) but it does seem like we can't regard this outbreak the same as the outbreak we saw last year.


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62. "heres some good news about hospitalizations out of south africa."
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https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1471804322019258370
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Bloomberg: South Africa Hospitalization Rate Plunges in Omicron Wave - “Only 1.7% of identified Covid-19 cases were admitted to hospital in the second week of infections in the fourth wave, compared with 19% in the same week of the third delta-driven wave”
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this is key too:
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The number of Covid-19 hospitalizations in this wave is also being inflated by the fact that milder patients are being admitted because there is room to accommodate them. Many are there for other complaints but are routinely tested, according to health officials.
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maybe the same trend is playing out over here.

  

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64. "aaaand a study out of uk says no evidence omicron is milder than delta."
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i give up lol.

https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1471839260068093953

ive seen doctors in comments to these articles saying that the trends in south africa might just be because they have a low vaccination rate (under 40% i believe) and a younger population thats been 70-80% previously infected with earlier variants. so more/different type of collective immunity.

  

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67. "Yeah but the Vaccine though"
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I guess the only thing I care about is how COVID hits vaccinated people (and people who can't get vaccinated).

If Omnicrom and Delta are hitting the vaccinated like just a bad cold, then I think we can live with that.



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68. "This goes back to what I was confused about in post 45..."
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Because there are all these articles discussing stats of efficacy against hospitalization and deaths and the articles don't mention any context around the vaccination rate of those in the study. Or to your point, the percentage that had been previously infected.

There's just so much context around risk levels here, and that context is rarely conveyed in a short tweet.

  

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73. "yeah and one big difference between usa and other countries"
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is that the covid environment in other countries is a lot more homogeneous/nationalized.

we got different states, different laws, different approaches, different political/media environments, etc.

  

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74. "GREAT point. "
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63. "Keep rooting for it"
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I hope your right, but I hoped Trump was right when he said
"You know, a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in. Typically, that will go away in April."


I think a vastly more transmissible version of a virus, unless it is also vastly less severe, is still bad news.

And I still don't know if catching omicron acts as (at least temporary) protection from catching delta. What if people get BOTH? What if they get omicron and then think they are protected and then get delta?

Why are people making these judgements already when the data isn't in yet?

I wonder if they'll feel the same in a weeks IF people are still getting delta at a similar rate AND a lot of people are ALSO getting omicron. Then it's a numbers game again.

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65. "12/17/2021: Mixed bag still - many unknowns - but bad is trending"
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Omicron five times more likely to re-infect than Delta, study says

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/omicron-five-times-more-likely-reinfect-than-delta-study-says-2021-12-17/

The risk of reinfection with the Omicron coronavirus variant is more than five times higher and it has shown no sign of being milder than Delta, a study by Imperial College London showed, as cases soar across Europe and threaten year-end festivities.

The results were based on UK Health Security Agency and National Health Service data on people who tested positive for COVID-19 in a PCR test in England between Nov. 29 and Dec. 11.

"We find no evidence (for both risk of hospitalisation attendance and symptom status) of Omicron having different severity from Delta," the study said, although it noted that data on hospitalisations remains very limited.

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https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-global-infectious-disease-analysis/covid-19/report-49-Omicron/
Study says previous COVID infection provides little immune help against


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AstraZeneca therapy works against Omicron; results mixed for Regeneron
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/regeneron-says-antibody-therapy-has-lower-potency-against-omicron-2021-12-16/

This is for the prophylactic monoclonal antibody injection Evusheld



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J&J, Sinopharm, Sputnik V COVID-19 shots less effective against Omicron -study

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/jj-sinopharm-sputnik-v-shots-weaker-against-omicron-study-shows-2021-12-17/


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70. "From what I understand, things are pretty bad in England"
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And they're about three to four weeks ahead of us. So that tracks with the speculation that this is going to hit hard by January.

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71. "I'm supposed to go to the UK for work in January..."
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We have a branch office of our company in London that's been added to the team I manage, so I'm supposed to go their to lead a training for the group. I DEFINITELY don't want to be going overseas during this, and I'm sure the trip will get cancelled, but it hasn't officially happened yet.

One of those situations where no one wants to make the call so they are hoping that either the US or UK governments make the call for them.

  

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72. "cases skyrocketing in the uk but deaths seem to be stable."
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https://twitter.com/VincentRK/status/1471873947985719303

  

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75. "if you have any cold symptoms (even mild), you probably have covid - UK"
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that is their stance right now.

it's going to be a crazy couple months.

btw - it's already here in large numbers: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/omicron-dominant-wastewater-samples-florida-county-81793644



  

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77. "Well, they just moved PG County schools back to virtual "
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No in person schooling until 1/18/22. The number of reported COVID cases were exploding. They had moved 3 schools in the area to virtual earlier in the week. Some kids in my daughter's class had it too. The e-mails didn't go out until late in the weekend. I got a call from the principal Monday morning before we were heading to drop her off. the initial policy was if the child is fully vaccinated and had no symptoms, they could come back to school. If they were not vaxxed they had to quarantine and be observed. Quite a few kids were out this week. Because of the late notice, some parents had to come back that morning and pull their children out.

Now, my daughter has been fully vaxxed for a couple months, so she was fine. We took her for a rapid test Wednesday and it was negative. But, they adjusted their policy today and said we had to get her anyway. So, my wife had to leave work and bring her home. Notice that everyone is back to virtual came via text about 45 minutes ago.

This feels eerily like spring 2020 when the virtual schools first started. Small trickle of cases, larger wave, hastily dumping kids out of school just before the holiday break, and online schooling until who knows when. Honestly I'm surprised it took this long for something to happen in schools.

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79. ""As Omicron Hits, COVID Case Counts Don't Mean What They Used To""
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essential reading. If you're vaccinated, you should have all of the peace of mind you'd ever need.

https://time.com/6129225/omicron-covid-19-case-counts/

  

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80. "BULLSHIT opinion piece"
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100,000 people in the US have died in the last 11 weeks.

This article is just opinion - and it's basically another way of saying "Don't worry about the hundreds of thousands dying - it's fine."

The comparisons to the flu smack of stupidity. This is much more contagious AND much more deadly than the flu.

This lady has been WRONG about a lot in the past - why does this opinion piece ease your mind? She's ALWAYS saying things aren't bad and will only get better.

3 other wrong opinion pieces by her:
7 Reasons Why We Should Not Need Boosters for COVID-19
https://leaps.org/booster-shot/

No, you probably won’t need a COVID-19 vaccine booster shot, says UCSF’s Monica Gandhi
https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/No-you-probably-won-t-need-a-COVID-vaccine-16200250.php

Covid Will Soon Be Endemic, Thank Goodness
Widespread immunity, vaccinated and natural, will bring control and a full return to normal.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-endemic-vaccines-measles-smallpox-pandemic-coronavirus-11633015316

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84. "^^^^^^ all of this"
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You’re killing this thread and it’s much appreciated

  

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86. "If you’d prefer to stay nervous, stay nervous "
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These vaccines exist for a reason

  

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87. "he mentioned 100,000 dead recently and you got snarky"
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Being cautious, having empathy for immunocompromised, etc should not be chalked up to just "being nervous"

  

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88. "We see your values"
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>These vaccines exist for a reason
We got the point already bro. You sound like my uncle saying “don’t let fear run your life” because he heard it on Fox News. He died of Covid a few months ago.

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89. "This rings sooooo true"
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>> You sound like my uncle saying
>“don’t let fear run your life” because he heard it on
>Fox News. He died of Covid a few months ago.

My cousin has the same line of thinking, even after his mom passed from COVID complications.

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82. "omicron"
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most likely to become the most dominant variant now.

tinfoil hat me.

  

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83. "12/18/2021 - More bad news"
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The share of people testing positive in New York City doubled in three days this week, and one of the mayor's top health experts says it's an indication of omicron evading immunity in a way no other variant had before.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/this-is-a-whole-new-animal-breakthrough-infections-rattle-nyc-amid-omicron-surge/3456543/

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NFL postpones three Week 15 games due to COVID-19 surge
https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-covid-week-15-game-postponement

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It's not clear yet if Omicron is a milder variant. But its rapid spread is certain to overwhelm hospitals, experts say
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/18/health/us-coronavirus-saturday/index.html


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85. "SNL 12/18/2021"
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‘SNL’ COVID-19 outbreak cancels Paul Rudd live audience, Charli XCX out
https://nypost.com/2021/12/18/snl-has-covid-19-outbreak-may-cancel-everyone-is-fearful/

A source added that the “show must go on but don’t expect to see Colin Jost, Sarah Sherman or (Aristotle) Athari.” Jost, 39, usually hosts “Weekend Update” with Michael Che, 38, while Sherman, 28, and Athari, 30, are both newcomers to the ensemble this season.
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90. "It's going to be really hard to avoid this... for everyone."
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as i sit here with it and all the time in the world to use google, the more i'm convinced that this is borderline inescapable, unless you personally revert to march/april 2020 levels of lockdown. and if you live in a densely populated area the odds are even more stacked against you.

we are going to be looking at a record number of case counts in a couple weeks. and i'm gonna assume the messaging from the cdc and government is going to move away from the importance of counting cases to a focus more on severe disease and hospitalizations. that's where this is going (imo).

  

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91. "12/19/2021"
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Your Monday Briefing: Omicron Evades Many Vaccines

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/19/briefing/your-monday-briefing-omicron-evades-many-vaccines.html

A growing body of preliminary research suggests most Covid vaccines offer almost no defense against infection from the highly contagious Omicron variant. The only vaccines that appear to be effective against infections are those made by Pfizer and Moderna, reinforced by a booster, which are not widely available around the world.

Other vaccines — including those from AstraZeneca, Johnson & Johnson and vaccines manufactured in China and Russia — do little to nothing to stop the spread of Omicron, early research shows. Because most countries have built their inoculation programs around these vaccines, the gap could have a profound impact on the course of the pandemic.
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Two leading COVID-19 drugs may not work against omicron variant

https://myfox8.com/news/coronavirus/two-leading-covid-19-drugs-may-not-work-against-omicron-variant/

For more than a year, antibody drugs from Regeneron and Eli Lilly have been the go-to treatments for early COVID-19, thanks to their ability to head off severe disease and keep patients out of the hospital.

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But both drugmakers recently warned that laboratory testing suggests their therapies will be much less potent against omicron, which contains dozens of mutations that make it harder for antibodies to attack the virus. And while the companies say they can quickly develop new omicron-targeting antibodies, those aren’t expected to launch for at least several months.

A third antibody from British drugmaker GlaxoSmithKline appears to be the best positioned to fight omicron. But Glaxo’s drug is not widely available in the U.S., accounting for a small portion of the millions of doses purchased and distributed by the federal government. U.S. health officials are now rationing scarce drug supplies to states.

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Fauci: Record coronavirus deaths in US from omicron likely

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/586480-fauci-record-coronavirus-deaths-in-us-from-omicron-likely

“Do you expect new record high numbers for cases? And what about hospitalizations and deaths?” Tapper asked.

“Yes, well, unfortunately, Jake, I think that that is going to happen,” Fauci confirmed. “We are going to see a significant stress in some regions of the country on the hospital system, particularly in those areas where you have a low level of vaccination, which is one of the reasons why we continue to stress the importance of getting those unvaccinated people vaccinated.”


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Sen. Warren tests positive for Covid-19
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/19/politics/elizabeth-warren-covid-positive/index.html

"I regularly test for COVID & while I tested negative earlier this week, today I tested positive with a breakthrough case. Thankfully, I am only experiencing mild symptoms & am grateful for the protection provided against serious illness that comes from being vaccinated & boosted," she tweeted. "As cases increase across the country, I urge everyone who has not already done so to get the vaccine and the booster as soon as possible - together, we can save lives."

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92. "12/20/2019"
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Moderna says its booster significantly raises Omicron-fighting antibodies

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/moderna-booster-shot-covid-vaccine-antibodies-omicron/

London — Moderna announced preliminary data on Monday that it said showed a third, booster dose of its coronavirus vaccine appeared to significantly increase antibodies that can help fight off an infection with the Omicron variant. Moderna said lab tests showed Omicron-neutralizing antibodies were low after two doses of its jab, but 29 days after a booster dose of 50 micrograms, they increased about 37-fold.

The 50 microgram dose is given as a booster with the Moderna shot, but the company's data showed that a full, 100 microgram booster dose increased antibody counts even more, around 83-fold.
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Fauci warns Omicron COVID variant ‘raging through the world’
Top US infectious diseases expert warns hospitals in the country could face stresses in coming weeks as COVID-19 infections surge.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/20/fauci-warns-of-bleak-winter-with-omicron-raging-through-world


“No matter how you look at it,” he said, “when you have so many, many infections, even if it is less severe, that overcomes this slight to moderate diminution in severity.”

“Our hospitals, if things look like they’re looking now in the next week or two, are going to be very stressed,” particularly in areas of the country with low levels of vaccination, Fauci said.

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California braces for Omicron wave amid grim forecasts, concerns for hospitals

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-12-20/how-are-southern-california-hospitals-faring-with-covid-now

Some doctors are concerned that people are so fed up with the pandemic that they won’t wear masks at a time when transmission is expected to climb.

“My concern — and the concern across the country — is the fatigue with regard to mask wearing and social distancing” as the more transmissible Omicron variant spreads, said Dr. Stephanie Hall, chief medical officer for Keck Medicine of USC and USC Norris Comprehensive Cancer Center. “People are tired. And they’re not sticking with it.”

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93. "I really appreciate this post. It should be pinned "
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"I don't speak to provoke. I speak because I think our time on Earth is short and each moment that we are not our truest selves, each moment we say what we do not mean because we imagine that is what somebody what's us to say, then we are wasting our time

  

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94. "12/21/2021 : Omicron dominant"
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Omicron is now the dominant U.S. COVID variant. Is it as contagious as measles?

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Is-omicron-as-contagious-as-the-measles-Here-s-16717381.php

With startling speed, the immensely contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus has become the dominant strain in the U.S.

The omicron variant accounted for 73% of new infections in the United States last week, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention — a sharp rise from 13% the prior week.

In some places, such as New York, the prevalence of omicron is at over 90%, federal authorities said. Its prevalence is unclear in California, which has not updated its variant sequencing numbers since last Wednesday, when the state tallied just 49 omicron cases — a number that by now is certain to be vastly higher.

President Biden will address the nation on Tuesday about the threat posed by the variant.

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First Omicron Death in U.S. Was Reinfection—A Warning to Those Who've Already Had COVID

https://www.newsweek.com/first-omicron-death-reinfection-warning-covid-texas-1661503

he first confirmed death from the Omicron variant in the U.S. was a reinfection, serving as a warning to people who have already had COVID-19.

Health officials in Harris County, Texas, reported on Monday that a man aged between 50 and 60 had died after testing positive for Omicron.

The man, who was not named, had previously been infected with COVID-19, health officials said. They added that the patient was "at higher risk of severe complications from COVID-19 due to his unvaccinated status and underlying health conditions."

Harris County Public Health Director Barbie Robinson said the man's death was "a reminder of the severity of COVID-19 and its variants."

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A new congressional report shows how Donald Trump sabotaged the country’s early response to COVID.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/12/the-sad-new-details-of-how-trump-sabotaged-the-countrys-response-to-covid.html

Read this - it's way worse and WAY more cynical than even the most vicious and stupid than 95% of what Trump-haters were accusing him of doing.

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95. "THIS RIGHT HERE..."
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>https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/12/the-sad-new-details-of-how-trump-sabotaged-the-countrys-response-to-covid.html
>
>Read this - it's way worse and WAY more cynical than even the
>most vicious and stupid than 95% of what Trump-haters were
>accusing him of doing.

Trump was impeached twice - once for the abuse of power with the Ukraine scandal and again for the 1/6 insurrection. But THIS should really be his legacy. The hundreds of thousands of Americans who have died from this virus could have been MUCH MUCH less if he hadn't have purposely sabotaged our response. Not to mention the fact that if he'd actually been a good leader, the entire worldwide response could have been much, much better since as we know you can't fight a worldwide pandemic in a vacuum...

  

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96. "RE: THIS RIGHT HERE..."
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>The hundreds of thousands of
>Americans who have died from this virus could have been MUCH
>MUCH less if he hadn't have purposely sabotaged our response.


Not just died.. slooowly killed minute by minute in some of the most horrific ways possible.. essentially torture



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98. "their talking point lately is"
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that more people have died under Biden's watch when we had vaccines.

which of course falls apart when you look at who's dying.

but you can't tell these people anything. they booed Trump again the other day when he said he got boosted

  

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99. "They are disingenuous AND stupid"
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101. "Yes. BOTH disingenuous AND stupid. "
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As I've made several moves up the management chain in leadership an eye opening thing for me is how disingenuous and PURPOSELY stupid people can be at the VO and above level. As in they will use every bit of ADVANCED calculus, statistics, and brain power to find "data" to support a winning narrative, while completely shutting their brains to the most basic common sense that doesn't support the narrative.

So take that corporate mentality, and apply to politics. Along with the fact that a good chunk of their based isn't even "shutting their brains off", they literally will believe any talking point they are told at face value.

The example I can think of that might be applicable to all of us is spellcheck. When I was young I was GOOD at spelling. I could memorize the spelling of all kinds of basic words. At this point though I rely so heavily on spellcheck, that part of my brain has been completely turned off. I was working on something in PowerPoint last week, and I was misspelling a pretty basic word. But spellcheck wasn't catching it so I didn't even think twice about it. Shared the PPT with a colleague who called me out, and I was like "NOOOOO - look at my PPT, no red squiggly lines." But on theirs they saw the lines. I had clicked "Ignore All" at some point in the doc so it wasn't catching the misspelling. I rely so heavily on spellcheck that even though my brain should know that it's misspelled, I was seeing confirmation bias in real time.

For a good segment of the GOP base, it's just like that. Deep inside they know something is wrong, but if they can find one thing on Fox News to support the argument, one talking point, no matter how disingenuous or cherry picked, they will completely ignore basic facts.

  

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104. "Several attendees of right wing conference suddenly mysteriously ill"
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https://www.salon.com/2021/12/22/people-got-sick-after-far-right-conference-claim-its-anthrax-not-19/

strange respiratory symptoms, like shortness of breath, coughing and fever.

must be anthrax

  

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100. "FYI - many people with omicron are testing negative at the onset"
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of symptoms. some people are testing negative for 2-3 days with symptoms. apparently this could be the vaccine do its job...

https://twitter.com/michaelmina_lab/status/1472024457640394756?s=21

keep that in mind moving forward.

  

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102. "12/22/2021: Nearly a month - remember..."
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Remember reports of deaths TRAIL infection by around 3 weeks. So the data in the next month, starting in the UK will probably tell us the actual severity of disease.


Omicron Has 80% Lower Risk of Hospitalization, New Study Shows
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-22/omicron-has-80-lower-risk-of-hospitalization-new-study-shows

South Africans contracting Covid-19 in the current fourth wave of infections are 80% less likely to be hospitalized if they catch the omicron variant, compared with other strains, according to a study released by the National Institute for Communicable Diseases.

Once admitted to the hospital, the risk of severe disease doesn’t differ from other variants, the authors led by scientists Nicole Walter and Cheryl Cohen said.

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Covid Omicron: Biden buys 500m test kits to tackle surge
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59738678

The key measures are:

500 million at-home rapid tests (antigen/flow) will be bought and delivered free to all Americans who request them from January. Kits can currently cost $7-$15 (£5-£11) over-the-counter and availability can be sketchy in some areas

1,000 military medical personnel will be deployed to hospitals nationwide over the next two months, five times the current amount

The launch of new federal testing sites nationwide, with the first in New York City - which has seen a massive surge in Omicron - by Christmas

Expanded hospital capacity and distribution of critical supplies

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US Army Creates Single Vaccine Against All COVID & SARS Variants, Researchers Say

https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2021/12/us-army-creates-single-vaccine-effective-against-all-covid-sars-variants/360089/

Within weeks, scientists at the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research expect to announce that they have developed a vaccine that is effective against COVID-19 and all its variants, even Omicron, as well as from previous SARS-origin viruses that have killed millions of people worldwide.

The achievement is the result of almost two years of work on the virus. The Army lab received its first DNA sequencing of the COVID-19 virus in early 2020. Very early on, Walter Reed’s infectious diseases branch decided to focus on making a vaccine that would work against not just the existing strain but all of its potential variants as well.

Walter Reed’s Spike Ferritin Nanoparticle COVID-19 vaccine, or SpFN, completed animal trials earlier this year with positive results. Phase 1 of human trials, which tested the vaccine against Omicron and the other variants, wrapped up this month, again with positive results that are undergoing final review, Dr. Kayvon Modjarrad, director of Walter Reed’s infectious diseases branch, said in an exclusive interview with Defense One. The new vaccine will still need to undergo phase 2 and phase 3 trials.

Unlike existing vaccines, Walter Reed’s SpFN uses a soccer ball-shaped protein with 24 faces for its vaccine, which allows scientists to attach the spikes of multiple coronavirus strains on different faces of the protein.

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103. "That multi-purpose vaccine should be helpful"
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Between their description of the way the vaccine is built and the fact that it was developed by the army, I imagine the side effects will just be listed as "really gnarly" but it sounds like a good idea to me.

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105. "this is the most people in my personal circle to get covid."
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seems like literally my whole family and a bunch of friends got hit at the same time.

even people who had no symptoms but got tested just because…they ended up having it.

shit is spreading like wildfire (thankfully none of them have been serious cases).

  

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106. "12/23/2021"
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F.D.A. Clears Pfizer’s Covid Pill for High-Risk Patients 12 and Older

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/22/health/pfizer-covid-pill-fda-paxlovid.html

Pfizer’s drug reduced the risk of hospitalization or death by 88 percent when given to high-risk unvaccinated adults within five days of the start of their symptoms.

Paxlovid appears to be substantially more effective than a similar antiviral pill from Merck, known as molnupiravir, that is still awaiting authorization by the F.D.A. In a clinical trial, Merck’s drug reduced risk of hospitalization and death for high-risk patients by 30 percent.

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Omicron sweeping through California with staggering speed, raising alarm and questions

https://www.bakersfield.com/ap/national/omicron-sweeping-through-california-with-staggering-speed-raising-alarm-and-questions/article_96b79bc3-8e1c-5d3e-8573-927f607c5f06.html

Omicron is expected to move through the population rapidly, at a rate some experts have described as unprecedented on a global scale. “The timeline for omicron spread is days, not weeks, as it was for delta,” said San Francisco Health Director Dr. Grant Colfax. Still, he said, “it’s not a time to panic, but a time to be vigilant.”

A highly influential COVID-19 forecast is projecting that the omicron surge may result in as many as 400,000 new coronavirus cases a day across the nation — significantly higher than last winter’s record of 250,000 cases a day.

The University of Washington’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation projects the omicron surge will continue rising swiftly through December and into January, potentially peaking later next month or in early February. Despite the increase in cases, predictions indicate there will be fewer daily deaths than during last winter’s devastating peak.

The U.S. is reporting an average of more than 161,000 new coronavirus cases a day, approaching the peak of the summer delta wave, which reached 164,000 new daily cases.

The number of COVID-19 hospitalizations during this winter’s peak could be slightly higher than last year, the forecast says.




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107. "12/24/2021: So much "hope" pinned on this"
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Note: A BIG trend this week is to talk about how "this may be how it all ends" which STILL seems wildly premature. Fingers crossed though.

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Why you should upgrade your mask as the Omicron variant spreads
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/24/health/cloth-mask-omicron-variant-wellness/index.html

"Cloth masks are little more than facial decorations. There's no place for them in light of Omicron," said CNN Medical Analyst Dr. Leana Wen, an emergency physician and visiting professor of health policy and management at the George Washington University Milken Institute School of Public Health, on CNN Newsroom Tuesday.

"This is what scientists and public health officials have been saying for months, many months, in fact," Wen added in a separate phone interview.

"We need to be wearing at least a three-ply surgical mask," she said, which is also known as a disposable mask and can be found at most drugstores and some grocery and retail stores. "You can wear a cloth mask on top of that, but do not just wear a cloth mask alone."

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Fully Vaccinated Individuals at Risk for COVID Infection With Omicron Variant – Columbia Study
https://scitechdaily.com/fully-vaccinated-individuals-at-risk-for-covid-infection-with-omicron-variant-columbia-study/

In neutralization studies with monoclonal antibodies, only one (Brii198 approved in China) maintained notable activity against omicron. A minor form of omicron is completely resistant to all antibodies in clinical use today. The authors note that omicron is now the most complete “escapee” from neutralization that scientists have seen.
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Omicron and children: Pediatric hospitals in parts of U.S. filling fast
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/12/24/omicron-children-hospitalizations-us/

About 800 kids have been admitted nearly every day this week, with those in Ohio, Texas, Pennsylvania and New York hit particularly hard by the juggernaut variant.


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White House lifting omicron travel ban on southern African countries amid spread in US
Travel can resume from South Africa, 7 other countries, on Dec. 31

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-lifting-omicron-covid-travel-ban-southern-african-countries

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Booster shots protect against symptomatic Omicron infection for about 10 weeks, study finds — which could mean more doses for some in 2022

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-long-does-booster-protection-omicron-covid-last-study-2021-12

The UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) said protection against symptomatic COVID-19 caused by the variant dropped from 70% to 45% after a Pfizer booster for those initially vaccinated with the shot developed by Pfizer with BioNTech.

In the same analysis published Thursday, the agency found the effectiveness of Moderna's booster paired with two doses of the Pfizer vaccine held at 70 to 75% for up to 9 weeks, though not many people in the study received this regimen, which could affect the accuracy of the finding.

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108. "Are omicron particles smaller? Why do cloth masks not work?"
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They're just "facial decoration" now? Did they ever work?

This continuously changing mask guidance is a huge public policy blunder.


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>Why you should upgrade your mask as the Omicron variant
>spreads
>https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/24/health/cloth-mask-omicron-variant-wellness/index.html
>
>"Cloth masks are little more than facial decorations. There's
>no place for them in light of Omicron," said CNN Medical
>Analyst Dr. Leana Wen, an emergency physician and visiting
>professor of health policy and management at the George
>Washington University Milken Institute School of Public
>Health, on CNN Newsroom Tuesday.
>
>"This is what scientists and public health officials have been
>saying for months, many months, in fact," Wen added in a
>separate phone interview.
>
>"We need to be wearing at least a three-ply surgical mask,"
>she said, which is also known as a disposable mask and can be
>found at most drugstores and some grocery and retail stores.
>"You can wear a cloth mask on top of that, but do not just
>wear a cloth mask alone."
>

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109. "They’ve been consistent the entire pandemic that "
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N95/KN95 masks are much more effective against the virus. What’s changed is first the availability of those better masks (early on with supply issues the recommendation was to save them for hospital staff) and the purpose of wearing…remember for just about all of last year the purpose of wearing cloth masks wasn’t about your own protection, but to keep you from spreading droplets to others. At this point in the pandemic with Omicron being so much more transmissible and vaccinated people getting it and unknowingly spreading, it absolutely makes sense to move towards the N95 style masks which actually DO protect you against infection.

I’ll add that to me, at some point during the summer after vaccination was widely available, cloth masks WERE a largely symbolic item. As in when I would go out and about wearing my masks, other people who I saw wearing masks I viewed as more likely to have been taking the pandemic seriously - more likely to have been vaccinated, more likely to have been cautious around crowds and overall managing risk levels, while I personally saw people not wearing masks as more likely to NOT be taking things as seriously. A major reason I started seeing it as largely symbolic was because vaccination was (and is) my primary protection against severe sickness. Once masking mandates went away it became more of a sign to me on how others were responding to the pandemic. Somewhat ironic, since most public places at first would have signs still requiring masks for unvaccinated people, so in theory unmasked folks should have been the “safer” group more likely to have been vaccinated. But we all know what the reality was.

  

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110. "Cloth mask were never as good as other mask"
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They were supposed to protect other people from particles coming from your mouth. Now that we have variants that are much more contagious having a better mask helps protect you more. Medical personnel where I work always used an N 95 mask, and we always handed out surgical mask to the patients.

I’ve been using these as my daily masks:
https://snowjoe.com/products/kn95-protective-face-mask-ce-certified-gb2626-standard-5-pack

And yes I did catch Covid in July, but I have a feeling it was from hanging out with someone without a mask for a few hours

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113. "MASKS NEVER WORKED"
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There is no proof that they work in any way...not one legit study that proves they work

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114. "Are you serious?"
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>There is no proof that they work in any way...not one legit
>study that proves they work


https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavirus/do-face-masks-work-here-are-49-scientific-studies-that-explain-why-they-do/amp/

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/09/surgical-masks-covid-19.html

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210907/masks-limit-covid-spread-study

https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-clinic-minute-study-shows-masks-can-prevent-covid-19/

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-what-does-the-science-actually-say-about-face-masks-12349337

https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202004.0203/v1

https://www.idsociety.org/covid-19-real-time-learning-network/infection-prevention/masks-and-face-coverings-for-the-public/

  

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116. "He LEGIT got that from the poster Musa"
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They don't believe in germ theory??

Also he thinks Alex Bernsen is a trustworthy source: https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13437897&mesg_id=13437897


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117. "it's not continuously changing, it's been really, really clear"
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cloth masks alone won't get it done

double masking with a surgical mask and a cloth mask works really well, if anything c the cloth mask helps hold it in place

n95/kn95 masks actually work because they're supposed to

this has been public for the last year and a half

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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124. "Cloth masks were better than no masks, if I'm not mistaken"
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Remember, there was a time when N95/KN95 masks simply were not available or were priced sky high. Having some covering was better than not, but it was never supposed to be the main thing, just an emergency/better than nothing measure.

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111. "Are these good?"
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Anti Fog Face Shield Protective Face Shield High-Definition Protective Shields to Protect Eyes, Nose, Mouth, Anti-Sand and Anti-Splash Headgear All-Inclusive Face Protection for Adults(2PCS Anti-Blue Light) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09LMNLQ2B/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_WGNBPZTBSJ8B59WJWHMP

or

Trend STEALTH/ML Stealth Air APF10 Reusable Respirator Half Mask Includes Filters (Medium/Large) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077TX6TRX/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_JAJRF6139SK70PX4JXWE?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

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112. "I decided that only NIOSH masks should be used now ;)"
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My "Supply Aid' KN95 are clearly fake, and I think they're not great.

So I decided to get one from the list:
https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/topics/respirators/disp_part/default.html

I ended up getting the Gerson: https://www.gersonco.com/product/n95-respirator/

I think using the CDC approved list might be the best bet.

And I don't know anything about facemasks, they seem to be to prevent people from sneezing or spitting on you more than stopping airborne particles.

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115. "12/27/2021; One Month in"
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>What we don't know as of 11/27/2021:
>If it is more contagious.

Yes, much more contagious.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-contagious-is-omicron-what-does-that-mean-for-you-11640358001

Omicron’s Re is estimated to be three to five times greater than Delta’s, which was 1.5 to two times as contagious as the original variant, says Josh Schiffer, an infectious-disease modeler and physician at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle.


>If the disease is more severe.

Early studies saying it may be less severe, but not much less.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/omicron-infections-appear-no-less-severe-than-delta-covid-19-lowers-sperm-count-2021-12-20/

>If re-infection rate is higher.
Higher.
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/omicron-five-times-more-likely-reinfect-than-delta-study-says-2021-12-17/


>If effectiveness of vaccination is lowered.
Lowered..
https://www.cnet.com/health/moderna-covid-booster-how-well-does-it-work-against-omicron/

In a briefing released Friday, the UK Health Security Agency announced that the Oxford/AstraZeneca, Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccines all protect against omicron less than they did against delta and that protection from boosters wanes in time. Booster effectiveness generally decreased to between about 60% and 70% protection at two to four weeks after the shot, down to between about 35% and 45% at 10 weeks, depending on the combination of vaccines administered.

Note:NOVAVAX says they may do better - but data not submitted.


>If Merck and Pfizer anti-virials are effective against it.

Regeneron monoclonal antibody NOT effective, but Sotrovimab is.

Pfizer pill for post exposure is effective. Couldn't find Merk data.


>Possible new vaccines - could take as little as 100 days -
>could take more depending on regulatory requirements.

No announcements about making new vaccines yet.


Coming up: Fauci says that daily positives may reach over 500,000 within 2 weeks. It's going to get bad.

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118. "Yea bc people are idiots"
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>>What we don't know as of 11/27/2021:
>>If it is more contagious.
>
>Yes, much more contagious.
>https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-contagious-is-omicron-what-does-that-mean-for-you-11640358001
>
>Omicron’s Re is estimated to be three to five times greater
>than Delta’s, which was 1.5 to two times as contagious as
>the original variant, says Josh Schiffer, an
>infectious-disease modeler and physician at the Fred
>Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle.
>
>
>>If the disease is more severe.
>
>Early studies saying it may be less severe, but not much less.
>
>
>https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/omicron-infections-appear-no-less-severe-than-delta-covid-19-lowers-sperm-count-2021-12-20/
>
>>If re-infection rate is higher.
>Higher.
>https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/omicron-five-times-more-likely-reinfect-than-delta-study-says-2021-12-17/
>
>
>>If effectiveness of vaccination is lowered.
>Lowered..
>https://www.cnet.com/health/moderna-covid-booster-how-well-does-it-work-against-omicron/
>
>In a briefing released Friday, the UK Health Security Agency
>announced that the Oxford/AstraZeneca, Pfizer/BioNTech and
>Moderna vaccines all protect against omicron less than they
>did against delta and that protection from boosters wanes in
>time. Booster effectiveness generally decreased to between
>about 60% and 70% protection at two to four weeks after the
>shot, down to between about 35% and 45% at 10 weeks, depending
>on the combination of vaccines administered.
>
>Note:NOVAVAX says they may do better - but data not
>submitted.
>
>
>>If Merck and Pfizer anti-virials are effective against it.
>
>Regeneron monoclonal antibody NOT effective, but Sotrovimab
>is.
>
>Pfizer pill for post exposure is effective. Couldn't find Merk
>data.
>
>
>>Possible new vaccines - could take as little as 100 days -
>>could take more depending on regulatory requirements.
>
>No announcements about making new vaccines yet.
>
>
>Coming up: Fauci says that daily positives may reach over
>500,000 within 2 weeks. It's going to get bad.
>
>

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119. "500,000 positive tests per day should trigger a shut down."
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That's 15 million cases per month. They need to slow the spread asap.

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

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120. "almost feels like shutting things down"
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would just prolong the inevitable

and it would probably cause mass riots the way people are operating these days.

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122. "Prolong the inevtiable??"
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>would just prolong the inevitable

Do people think that everyone will get infected ONCE and then "it's over?"

The goal is to avoid disease and death.

And if death rates are 1% and we get 140 million folks infected in the next 2 months then 1.4 million more deaths?

Or say it's just 50 million folk who get infected, then it's ONLY 500,000 dead.

And once people get the disease and get re-infected it's still very much likely the death rate will still be greater than the flu - which kills 30k-50k a year in the U.S. We're fine with that as a country?

>and it would probably cause mass riots the way people are
>operating these days.

Its amazing people aren't rioting over being forced to work and live around this much disease.

If COVID was like measles and people found the infected less attractive or palatable to look at - or when looking at them they appeared unhealthy - would that help??????


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125. "Plenty of people absolutely believe this"
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>Do people think that everyone will get infected ONCE and then
>"it's over?"

Catch it like the cold, build up a natural immunity, keep living. This is definitely a ongoing sentiment.

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135. "yes.. I think its inevitable that people will get infected"
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even if they quarantine because eventually people will

first time we shut shit down as soon as people started coming back outside people started getting infected.

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121. "My entire family potentially has this as of today......"
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Family back in NC that is....
wild...
made it this far and this long with no issues...but last week sparked it somehow....
brother, his girlfriend...
sister & her husband
mom & dad...
uncle, aunt, grandma & cousins all exposed...

All of them have vaccines AND boosters..

  

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126. "damn"
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very scary. i hope they recover well.

  

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123. "12/28/2021"
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Several US states at or near all-time peak Covid-19 hospitalization levels
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/omicron-variant-coronavirus-news-12-28-21/h_094b52637b30a14ed1a34932367314da

Four states — Michigan, Vermont, Maine and New Hampshire — hit their all-time pandemic peak hospitalization numbers this month, according to a CNN review of data from the US Department of Health and Human Services.

All four have seen hospitalizations decline in the last few days.

Other areas are seeing hospitalization numbers near pandemic peaks.

Washington, DC, with 363 hospitalized as of Monday, is nearly tied with its peak of 383 in January. Ohio, Indiana and Delaware are all seeing hospital numbers at least 80% as high as their all-time records last winter, according to a CNN analysis of HHS data.

---


CDC lowers estimates of Omicron prevalence, saying the variant caused under 60% of Covid-19 cases last week

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/omicron-variant-coronavirus-news-12-28-21/index.html


The Omicron variant caused 58.6% of new coronavirus cases in the US last week, which is significantly lower than previously thought, according to estimates posted Tuesday by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Last week, the agency estimated Omicron accounted for 73.2% of cases the week ending Dec. 18.

A CDC spokesperson told CNN last week there was a broad range of uncertainty for those numbers — as low as 34% and as high as 95%. She added agency would "adjust based on additional sequencing.” The agency has adjusted the estimate for that week even lower, from 73.2% to 22.5%.

Over the past four weeks, Omicron has risen rapidly in estimates – accounting for 0.6% of cases ending December 4, to 6.9% the following week, then 22.5% and now 58.6%. The Delta variant makes up nearly all of the rest.

More on the CDC estimates: Not every Covid-19 test is sent for the extra genetic sequencing needed to detect which variant has infected someone. The CDC works off samples and extrapolates its estimates based on that extra testing.

Omicron’s estimated prevalence varies widely based on geography. For example, in the region that includes New York and New Jersey, as well as the region covering Texas and its bordering states, Omicron was estimated to have caused upwards of 86% of cases last week.

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Texas runs out of monoclonal antibody treatment to fight omicron variant of COVID-19

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/12/28/texas-runs-out-monoclonal-antibody-sotrovimab-treatment-fight-omicron-covid/9031897002/


On Monday, the Texas Department of State Health Services announced that its regional infusion centers in Austin, El Paso, Fort Worth, San Antonio and The Woodlands have run out of the monoclonal antibody sotrovimab.

That antibody has been shown to be effective against the omicron variant. Other monoclonal antibodies have not been shown to be effective against omicron.

REALTED ARTICLE:
Gov. Abbott calls out Biden administration as Texas runs out of omicron antibody treatment

https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavirus/texas-antibody-infusion-centers-run-out-of-treatment-shown-to-fight-omicron/

Fuck Abbott. he can blame everything on someone else.

---
CDC cuts isolation time recommended for people with asymptomatic coronavirus infections

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/12/27/cdc-cuts-isolation-time-asymptomic-covid-infections/

Federal health officials on Monday shortened the recommended time Americans infected with the coronavirus should isolate from 10 days to five if they are asymptomatic — a decision they said was driven by a growing body of research about when people are most infectious.


--
Omicron could make the world more resistant to Delta COVID strain, South Africa study says

https://fortune.com/2021/12/28/omicron-infection-delta-covid-strain-resistance-south-africa-study-ahri/

Very early paper with only 15 participants but maybe it'll bear out in the next few months.

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127. "The airlines asked for quarantine to be less"
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And now it is so.

People gotta get back to work after all. Wonder
how long until quarantine is a 15 minute break?

The same people who told everyone to take
off their masks based on an honor system
and little data are doing it again.

Rather than mandating paid leave the admin is
just sending people back to work sick.

It’s incredible to see how little criticism the Biden
admin gets from certain folks.

Had this happened under Trump this thread
would be 3x as long.

No paid leave. No real testing plan. No urgency
on treatments. No additional mandates like
vaxxed to fly. No contact tracing. No waving
patents to vaxx the world.

Nothing but get vaxxed and get your asses
back to work.

Hundreds of thousands dead. Healthcare
systems jammed up. Long covid. It goes
on and on.

But the stock market is up amiright??

When the GOP essentially said some will have to die
for the economy it was ridiculous and rightfully
panned around here, etc.

I guess a lot of people really just want a friendlier
tone for the same shit.

  

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131. "people just worn out fam. Chill."
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At this point there aren’t really sides, just people that are gonna do and people that ain’t.
There are people that have every available opportunity and capacity to simply stay home when they’re sick…but guess what…they don’t. I got a co worker that’s sitting at his damn desk right. Now. Talking bout he been feeling sick since yesterday and his daughter been sick since Sunday and is awaiting her test results. It’s just fcked up all the way around at this point. Step away from the political bent and start putting energy into the fcked up mentalities and American work culture.



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133. "You are making his point"
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When it's one guy ya'll got mad energy to talk about every little tiny thing that happens 24/7/365

Now you got your guy and we gotta chill? We gotta focus on other shit? Lets not look at what the politicians are doing, we are tired today....

FOHHHHHHH

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138. "trump called covid a hoax."
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then actively fought against measures to prevent the spread of the virus...threatened to primary red state governors who didnt do the same...literally blocked or curtailed blue states from much needed federal aid...reshuffled science/medical advisories and hid/sabotaged data to undermine the fight against covid...pushed a lethal alternative medication...and got caught on actual audio admitting that he intentionally downplayed the virus despite him understanding the severity.

biden made the vaccines widely available...encouraged people to get protected and follow guidelines via soft power and mandates...and took our adult vaccination rate from 1% on inauguration day to over 70%.

even the republican governor of *arkansas* praised bidens effort in combatting the virus.
https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1475511455814496272

if you think biden is anywhere near equivalent to trump then you are part of the problem.

i swear niggas have like a 2 week attention span when it comes to politics.

  

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159. "please stop. just stop. You're a hypocrite "
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Just have the same energy for Biden as you would if he was someone else.

L O L at the bar for Biden being to NOT sabotage efforts...and still gloss over when his administration does just that.

Telling people to unmask = made the pandemic worse. Without question.

Telling people to quarantine for only 5 days = will make this worse.


Why do you treat this like Democrats are you favorite sports team that you have to defend blindly.


Things were supposed to get better. That was the idea. That was why we all fought.

Things aren't that much better "fam".


You are the worst on here. You have all the smoke for anyone who isn't your guy.


Stock market soaring is all that matters now like a real Trumper.

The bottom line is this administration has failed to address this pandemic. They have done *marginally* better than the previous only because of Pfizer and Moderna. Thats it.


No real plan otherwise.


If the CDC came out under Trump and said "get your asses back to work" you would be lighting this thread up with me.

Because its Joe, you're on some MAGA type "Let them die" personal responsibility horse shit.


PEOPLE LIKE YOU are why the Dems are trash. You not only accept anything, you celebrate and willfully defend this shit.


He doesn't say stupid shit that Trump says. Is that the line?


Like I said, some of yall just wanted a nicer face and a more professional tone as they throw us to the wolves.




  

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145. "political energy is wasted energy. That’s my point. "
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Anyone still hung up on trying to keep the political aspects of this situation bubbling is contributing to the problem. The sooner we can get back to the reality that this a pandemic is a NON POLITICAL worldwide problem the sooner folks might begin to stop being so stupid about it.
Don’t be stupid.


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160. "Literally everything is political"
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And our "leaders" are just sending our asses back to work.


When its Trump? The response is garbage! He's making it worse?


When its Joe? Slow down, don't make this political.


I'm legit crying.

  

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137. "nah.. he has a point"
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if Trump was in office this place would scream all day about the number of deaths and what we are doing wrong.

I’m no fam of Trump but I remember when dude wanted to block flights from China and Dems called him a racist. I mean.. yeah, be is but still… we should’ve put our health before our politics.

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140. "dems did not call trump racist for blocking flights from china."
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thats fox news framing. they know easily impressionable people will conflate the resistance to the covid ban and muslim ban.

dems called trump racist because of his characterization of it as the wuhan virus, kung flu, etc...something that could inflame anti-asian sentiment (which it clearly did).

and the ban didnt even really work.

over 50k people from china still made it over here during the ban with no testing, tracing, or quarantine. and the dominant strain of the virus that lit ny on fire and spread throughout the country actually came from europe anyway (like delta and omincron).

  

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161. "so what about Joe's South Africa ban?"
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Or are you going to keep making it about Trump and glossing over the similarities?

  

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142. "they would but we could do that double standard thing all day"
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if hillary or obama were in office when the pandemic first hit, and they had a fraction of deaths we had under trump, they'd probably be in prison.

at the very least, i could see Trump strolling into office in 2020 unseating Hilary because we had 5000 covid deaths on her watch, far exceeding 9/11. We'd have memorials at every sporting event, and Hilldawg will be seen as the worst president in history.

>we should’ve put our health before
>our politics.

early on my dumb ass really thought this was gonna come out of this

  

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164. "why not?"
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>if hillary or obama were in office when the pandemic first
>hit, and they had a fraction of deaths we had under trump,
>they'd probably be in prison.

So is Biden going to prison? His body count is climbing.

>
>at the very least, i could see Trump strolling into office in
>2020 unseating Hilary because we had 5000 covid deaths on her
>watch, far exceeding 9/11. We'd have memorials at every
>sporting event, and Hilldawg will be seen as the worst
>president in history.

Oh for sure. I'm not talking about media double standards.

I'm talking about double standards of hardcore Dem apologists. Folks who posted here daily about Trump's failures but have been ghost and will duck, dodge, deflect, etc to avoid admitting the truth-

Uncle Joe has not met the moment. Democrats have not met the moment.

I could go off of course, but I'll focus on the pandemic.

If you run against a sitting prez and talk about how little he has done to address the pandemic- you better at least TRY SOME SHIT when you win.

Cutting isolation IN HALF in the middle of an uptick of cases thanks to a new variant after your CDC got a letter from CEOs?

Probably a bad idea.

>
>>we should’ve put our health before
>>our politics.
>
>early on my dumb ass really thought this was gonna come out of
>this

My dumbass thought that when the adults took over it would be better. It was scary under Trump.

I remember the day Biden took over, there was such a sense of relief in my house.


Now? Well, the stock market is up amiright?

  

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165. "dog had the CDC cut isolation in half under Trump??"
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Each and every one of these dudes would be ranting with me.

Each and every one.


Had the Trump white house laughed at the idea of free tests?

Trump told everyone not to wear a mask- criminal!

Biden tells vaxxed to take off their masks like weeks in? The data!


We aren't allowed to ask more of Democrats to some of these people it is absolutely amazing.

Find someone who looks at you the way some of these dudes look at the Democratic party. Just unconditional love.


They care a lot more about Democrats than the Democrats care about them. Its sad actually.

  

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170. "Your premise of "unconditional love' for DEMs is faulty"
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>Trump told everyone not to wear a mask- criminal!

>Biden tells vaxxed to take off their masks like weeks in? The data!

If you don't see the difference -- except your hypothesis that us mindless zombies are enthralled by charismatic Joe Biden -- then I don't think there's any possible way to ever change your mind.


> dog had the CDC cut isolation in half under Trump?
If the CDC did it because there was data over x-months saying that in asymptomatic cases that the first 5 days are when it usually spreads AND THEN told people with no symptoms they could go back out if they needed to and wore a mask for 5 more days - under Trump - we'd have not thrown a shit show.

I think you're confusing risk management policies with bad faith policies -- or that there are no difference between how this administration and the last one make decisions.

But Biden's policies are at LEAST actually trying to reduce harm while also taking into consideration how the world actually works. Trump's did not. And neither is perfect - but one is much much much more malicious than the other.

But I doubt you will see the distinction.

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141. "So that was the only reason?"
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You don't understand what the change in recommendation ACTUALLY was, me thinks.

--
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s1227-isolation-quarantine-guidance.html

Given what we currently know about COVID-19 and the Omicron variant, CDC is shortening the recommended time for isolation from 10 days for people with COVID-19 to 5 days, if asymptomatic, followed by 5 days of wearing a mask when around others. The change is motivated by science demonstrating that the majority of SARS-CoV-2 transmission occurs early in the course of illness, generally in the 1-2 days prior to onset of symptoms and the 2-3 days after. Therefore, people who test positive should isolate for 5 days and, if asymptomatic at that time, they may leave isolation if they can continue to mask for 5 days to minimize the risk of infecting others.

Additionally, CDC is updating the recommended quarantine period for those exposed to COVID-19. For people who are unvaccinated or are more than six months out from their second mRNA dose (or more than 2 months after the J&J vaccine) and not yet boosted, CDC now recommends quarantine for 5 days followed by strict mask use for an additional 5 days. Alternatively, if a 5-day quarantine is not feasible, it is imperative that an exposed person wear a well-fitting mask at all times when around others for 10 days after exposure. Individuals who have received their booster shot do not need to quarantine following an exposure, but should wear a mask for 10 days after the exposure. For all those exposed, best practice would also include a test for SARS-CoV-2 at day 5 after exposure. If symptoms occur, individuals should immediately quarantine until a negative test confirms symptoms are not attributable to COVID-19.
--

So you read that as "Biden ORDERS the sick to go back to work even if it spread disease because the airlines told him to do it??"

Someone's sense of reasoning may be the thing that is tired here.


>It’s incredible to see how little criticism the Biden
admin gets from certain folks.

Biden's getting HAMMERED from ALL direction and has been for months.

He's hammered because the pandemic hasn't been "solved." That delta was multiple times as contagious as the disease that preceded it. And now that Omicron is 5 times as contagious it is his fault for not going back before omicron and securing free test for every citizen to use from now until the "end."

Then you compare that to Trump? Trump he said he didn't feel the need to wear a mask? Who pushed hydroxychloroquine? Who focused on overturning an election instead of distribution of vaccines?


Congress could pass the laws to supply aid - but they WILL not. Almost every Republican won't pass them because it might help Joe Biden's rating a little - and many Democrats because they think the government should be run as a for profit business.

I can't imagine a scenario where a bill that has passed both house of congress is vetoed by Biden to increase aid. Can you honestly see that scenario?

The countries fucked - but if you think this administration is purposefully doing it to help airline CEOs then I think you aren't paying attention.

This pandemic isn't going to be 'solved" and 'over and done', there is no series of actions that are 'perfect' and fix everything - the goal is to minimize harm and disease.


>When the GOP essentially said some will have to die
for the economy it was ridiculous and rightfully
panned around here, etc.

I don't believe for a SECOND that Biden and his administration agree with that. I do think 70% of Congress does. And 30 governors. And 90% of Fox news. And 97% of CNBC.


But you're right about one thing: this country prizes work over all else - more than your family, your health or your life. (And when I saw work I mean working for boss who's profits depend on your labor.)

It's a sickness that also needs to be cured.

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144. "Wait, ya'll really believe HCQ is POISON?"
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Cause I'm doing better now, don't mean I never lost shit/ I was married to a state of mind and I divorced it -- Black Thought

  

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148. "First, you don't think masks helps stop the spread of disease."
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As for hydroxychloroquine, I never said it was POISON.

But it certainly didn't help COVID-19 in the studies.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2772922

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171. "I know masks don't work"
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They might make you feel better but they don't work, especially not the way ya'll use them. Cloth mask you put on when you walk into a restaurant and then take it off when you get in your seat? Ya'll stupid AF.

Its ugly af and hypocritical to pretend like ya'll masking up all dutifully but I've seen 2 years of exactly how ya'll do. Virtue signalling if that word ever existed.

All those studies up top are horseshit. A 1 person study? The Bangladesh study linked 5x? Laser beams?

In regards to HCQ, there are many studies that prove it works. I'm not gonna bother to do the research for you, it's all over the internet. It's in books. It's been used for 70+ years. Completely non toxic, unpatented, not enough $$

The study you published HCQ one was given LATE in infection, thats the PROBLEM. It works EARLY, this has been documented by thousands of doctors.

Every country in the world has better death rates than America and Europe and they use IVM and HCQ, and people don't mask like that. Here we use remdesivir late in infection, and ventilation. Guess what, remdesivir is a PROVEN toxin that was PULLED from MULTIPLE trials because so many people were dying, and your boy Fauci pushed it for $$$. No randomized trial, no studies, no nothing. How many people in US died from remdesivir?

All this is a $$ game. No money in HCQ or IVM, but they worked all over the world. Simple Google search. All the countries/states using masks, lockdowns, social distancing, remdisivir, etc are FUCKED, and all these 3rd world countries w/o the medical infrastructure and a few tabs of HCQ are doing 1000x better....wake up...


When is common sense gonna set in and ya'll realize that this shit ain't working. Ya'll got your vaccines and still are getting sick. Ya'll still transmitting and theres at least 20,000 dead directly from the vaccine + myocarditis etc... Ya'll got Fauci working overtime and Poppa Biden doing magic but ya'll still setting records? Get out of ya'll big cities and computers and go talk to real people. Go live a little. Go breathe some fresh air. Or go read a fuckin book instead of your little twitter/OKP bubbles of fear mongering liberal horseshit.

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162. "cmon. You're better than this. "
In response to Reply # 141


          

>
>You don't understand what the change in recommendation
>ACTUALLY was, me thinks.
>
>--
>https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s1227-isolation-quarantine-guidance.html
>
>Given what we currently know about COVID-19 and the Omicron
>variant, CDC is shortening the recommended time for isolation
>from 10 days for people with COVID-19 to 5 days, if
>asymptomatic, followed by 5 days of wearing a mask when around
>others. The change is motivated by science demonstrating that
>the majority of SARS-CoV-2 transmission occurs early in the
>course of illness, generally in the 1-2 days prior to onset of
>symptoms and the 2-3 days after. Therefore, people who test
>positive should isolate for 5 days and, if asymptomatic at
>that time, they may leave isolation if they can continue to
>mask for 5 days to minimize the risk of infecting others.


Just like the admin's "take your mask off and party" bullshit this is all based on an honor system and essentially lets companies off the hook for not enforcing 10 days.

Airline CEOs requested this change, and got it. Its not that hard. Even Captain Democrat Apologist Reeq admits this below.

I also encourage you to do some digging and asking people who have had COVID about their wild timelines with testing, etc.

Not to mention, Omnicron is still new.

They want your ass back to work. Writing is on the wall.


>
>Additionally, CDC is updating the recommended quarantine
>period for those exposed to COVID-19. For people who are
>unvaccinated or are more than six months out from their second
>mRNA dose (or more than 2 months after the J&J vaccine) and
>not yet boosted, CDC now recommends quarantine for 5 days
>followed by strict mask use for an additional 5 days.
>Alternatively, if a 5-day quarantine is not feasible, it is
>imperative that an exposed person wear a well-fitting mask at
>all times when around others for 10 days after exposure.
>Individuals who have received their booster shot do not need
>to quarantine following an exposure, but should wear a mask
>for 10 days after the exposure. For all those exposed, best
>practice would also include a test for SARS-CoV-2 at day 5
>after exposure. If symptoms occur, individuals should
>immediately quarantine until a negative test confirms symptoms
>are not attributable to COVID-19.

Ah yes, mask wearing. Because Americans have been so cool with that, right?



>--
>
>So you read that as "Biden ORDERS the sick to go back to work
>even if it spread disease because the airlines told him to do
>it??"
>

Its okay to take a beat and think this through. They asked for it, and it happened pretty quickly.

I try to be careful to say "Biden Administration" but that isn't really the point is it?


Be honest....this happens under Trump you'd be skeptical if not outright pissed.

Why is being consistent so hard for folks?

>Someone's sense of reasoning may be the thing that is tired
>here.
>
>
>>It’s incredible to see how little criticism the Biden
>admin gets from certain folks.
>
>Biden's getting HAMMERED from ALL direction and has been for
>months.

Not here.

>
>He's hammered because the pandemic hasn't been "solved." That
>delta was multiple times as contagious as the disease that
>preceded it. And now that Omicron is 5 times as contagious it
>is his fault for not going back before omicron and securing
>free test for every citizen to use from now until the "end."

Biden said he had a plan. He called Trump out (rightfully) for not doing enough...and he has done little more.

Vaccine, Vaccine, Vaccine. (They were developed before Joe btw).

Where is the testing plan?

The paid leave?

Travel vaccine requirments?

etc etc


Not that it should be magically solved, don't do that.

Its that it could be a lot better than it is and, at the very least, it would be nice to see the Democrats at least try.

Try to make it better.


Why can't we ask for Democrats to try more? I don't get it.

>
>Then you compare that to Trump? Trump he said he didn't feel
>the need to wear a mask? Who pushed hydroxychloroquine? Who
>focused on overturning an election instead of distribution of
>vaccines?

This is what I was afraid of actually. The bar is so fucking low ya'll will celebrate defend anything.

So all we should expect of Uncle Joe is to not shit himself?


You know my point is that if the CDC cut isolation in half under Trump ya'll would be pissed and with me.



>
>
>Congress could pass the laws to supply aid - but they WILL
>not. Almost every Republican won't pass them because it might
>help Joe Biden's rating a little - and many Democrats because
>they think the government should be run as a for profit
>business.

GOP bad. I get it.


Pretty sure Dems have majorities in both chambers and the white house. Any of them put up a paid leave bill?

How about in the initial response in the honeymoon phase?

No? Oh that's right, they were busy telling everyone they can unmask if they pinky swear that they are vaxxed.


>
>I can't imagine a scenario where a bill that has passed both
>house of congress is vetoed by Biden to increase aid. Can you
>honestly see that scenario?

Are you having a fever dream? I never said that.

>
>The countries fucked - but if you think this administration is
>purposefully doing it to help airline CEOs then I think you
>aren't paying attention.

If you think they aren't, then you aren't paying attention.

I got bad news for you. Democrats are trying to serve two groups- regular people and capital.

Capital wins every time.

Very little has been done to address this pandemic other than then vaccines.

Because other shit- paid leave, testing, etc...would be of benefit only to us and not capital.

GOP is worse. I get it. And I agree completely.


I just wish people - especially people around here- were okay with asking more of Democrats rather than rushing to defend millionaires.




>
>This pandemic isn't going to be 'solved" and 'over and done',
>there is no series of actions that are 'perfect' and fix
>everything - the goal is to minimize harm and disease.

Exactly. And this administration could and should be doing a lot more.

>
>
>>When the GOP essentially said some will have to die
>for the economy it was ridiculous and rightfully
>panned around here, etc.
>
>I don't believe for a SECOND that Biden and his administration
>agree with that. I do think 70% of Congress does. And 30
>governors. And 90% of Fox news. And 97% of CNBC.

Then why isn't there paid leave?


Why don't you have to show proof of vax to fly?


Why can't essential workers get tests and masks?



If you believe Democrats and this Administration are so much better than the picture I have painted, why is it just a vaccine and good luck?


And here's the big one- why no shut down?


>
>
>But you're right about one thing: this country prizes work
>over all else - more than your family, your health or your
>life. (And when I saw work I mean working for boss who's
>profits depend on your labor.)
>
>It's a sickness that also needs to be cured.


Right. Thank you. But why is it so hard to admit that this administration/Democrats ALSO clearly value it more than anything else?



  

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172. "thank you"
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there are so many things that the dems are leaving on the table here simply cuz the business sector demands them to.

it's obviously horrible governance

  

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146. "yuuuuup"
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Biden just went before the governors and said its on the states from this point on.

American For Profit Healthcare has massive structural problems that prevent accurate treatment of the pandemic on every level.

THAT'S the problem.
And it's a big one, but Trumps outta office, so YAY..?

  

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149. "fam that is not what biden said."
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i shouldnt be surprised...but it still shocks me how many people continue to fall for these bad faith right wing attacks based on deceptively edited videos.

like niggas see a 5 second video cut off abruptly in the middle of a statement...and never think 'hey this is slightly suspicious...maybe i should go check this out for myself' lol.

i mean...i know we are a dumb country. but the ease with which the dumbness is exploited is really a sight to see lol.

heres the statement in full context:
https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1475909428650119172

  

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150. "Bad faith all around"
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Context is a four letter word to a lot of these folks.

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151. "he did not say that. not at all."
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Imo he basically stated that since state governments are the ones with 'boots on the ground' so to speak, then they are going to be the ones to lead the covid response, particularity as the governor that he was talking to tried to insinuate that the federal government was 'overstepping its boundaries' in its response to something that should be handled at the state level. The governor (Arkansas I believe) was trying to be slick and Biden put him in his place.

He made it clear that the feds are going to *support* state governments in whatever manner they see fit, and if they need something from the feds, simply be communicative about it and the feds will provide the support.

If people actually watched the clip in question instead of taking an out of context 4 second soundbite there's no way the takeaway would have been that states are on their own. States have a responsibility in this too, so let's not place the sole burden on the feds if the states refuse to do the bare minimum in stopping this pandemic.

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154. "cool, so the federal govt is leaving the states to make individual "
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decisions about a viral pandemic, with interstate travel and commerce open and working.
and no federally mandated testing, prevention or centralized vaxx database.

You can't states rights/states response this.

So yeah, he actually he is leaving the decision making up to the states for this.
And that is a disaster

But Democrat gud so reality don't matter

ALSO yall ran fast to defend Massa Biden, and skipped smoove over the larger point about the failings of the for profit healthcare system. cool.

  

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155. "bro you were dead wrong. its ok. it happens."
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but you dont save face by doubling down on more wrong lol.

>You can't states rights/states response this.

you do realize states *do* have rights right? its the entire point of a constitutional republic. biden cant just seize power he aint got fam.

its the reason texas and florida have vastly different covid regulations than ny and ca. outside of biden becoming a dictator...he doesnt just get to do whatever *he* wants.


>and no federally mandated testing, prevention or centralized
>vaxx database.

you think the president can just federally mandate everything? i mean...he tried a federal mandate for vaccination/testing for employers over a certain size via osha. and that mandate was placed on hold because of lawsuits by several *states* that are now headed to a special session of the supreme court. why? oh yeah because states have *rights*.

plus how do you federally mandate 'prevention'? lol. you gonna send the national guard in to make niggas do crossfit in their backyards and get healthier to drive down pre-existing conditions/co-morbidities? wtf does that even mean? lol.

and you know damn well if biden tried to mandate some centralized vaccine passport database...you same tin foil notep contrarion niggas would be bitching about that too.

  

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157. "Uh-huh. "
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https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/533652-biden-should-declare-a-state-of-war-against-the-coronavirus

You know what prevention means. You're not dumb, you're just a token.

you really should look into how other countries with a public healthcare system have dealt with the needs of their populations during the virus.

yes, the federal gov't can aid in prevention in *several* ways aside from the vaxx...especially given what we know about who COVID affects the most and why.

Dismissing that fact as "making people do crossfit" is fucking retarded.

Home testing & treatment protocols should have been in place from day 1.

Ramped up production of O2 tanks and N95s, as well as not allowing companies to destroy massive amount of home tests.

Ramp up emergency localized medical services.

Stipends to keep people at home to prevent the spread.

Increased public health services/service providers.

etc, etc, etc...


Dunno how/why modern liberals became 80s republicans in re: the role of the federal govt, but it was dumb then and it's especially suicidal now.

But hopefully whatever white dem pays you will take you for a walk down to your favorite dog park later, and get you home in time to lick the screen when maddow's on

  

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163. "Its funny they do the same thing they accused you of"
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Got distracted by a single quote and thought they were dunking on you by showing that it is out of context.

The context is the admins fucking actions!!!!

A bunch of "liberals" screaming at me essentially defending a "personal responsibility" approach to a fucking pandemic.

Joe ran on a pandemic plan and they were so fucking eager to declare victory they spiked the ball months ago.


Fucking morons could have milked the pandemic politically and blamed it on Trump for a year at least...but they had to get people back to work, back in restaurant, back in shopping malls, etc.

You're right. Some of these dudes would be Reaganites in the 80s. You hate to see it.

  

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166. "BRUH, THIS SHIT HERE:"
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"a "personal responsibility" approach to a fucking pandemic"

is monumentally stupid.
INCREDIBLY fucking dumb.
legit mindblowing that liberals are that far gone
These same people will turn around and tell you to trust science while cheering on the firing of health care workers


America's two parties are right-wing and proud, or right wing and smug

  

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168. "they think being critical of Dems = traitor/ alt-right simp"
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every critique is just an example of being duped by a right wing talking point

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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413. "Probably the most succinct and important statement to be made about"
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most of these ppl on here at this point. Not even worth arguing with. They're gone.



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128. "im exhausted fam."
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so we are in the middle of another winter surge that we are supposed to be taking seriously.

but the cdc cuts quarantine time in half (at the behest of an airlines ceo) as cases are still rising.

and much of the media makes it even worse by reporting the new time frame as if its universal and not limited to asymptomatic folks.

deaths rates have actually *increased* in the reddest areas due to vaccine and mask resistance perpetuated by one specific side of the political spectrum and their preferred media sources (while logically falling in non-idiotic blue areas).

and the media is blaming biden for not convincing that portion of the country to participate in taming the virus with the rest society...while their former president and cultural icon is also urging them to get vaccinated and theyre even attacking *him* for it too.

if this doesnt spell out the decline of a civilization...

  

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130. "All this. That movie Don’t Look Up was blatant satire re:"
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the pandemic and climate change, completely on the nose, and real life is STILL more blatantly stupid in terms of what we are seeing real time. All the double speak, false equivalency, obvious agendas, echo chamber confirmation bias, while the facts are all RIGHT THERE for everyone to see.

  

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132. "ha. yeah"
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i watched it last night and found myself looking at it as much through the lens of the pandemic than climate change.. if not more

  

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134. "i see people calling the movie 'preachy'."
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more mad at the satirical and condescending portrayal of idiots than they are at the consequences and danger from the behavior of the idiots.

2 years into complete nihilism/obstruction during the pandemic (even longer for climate change) and these people think the real problem is that we arent nicer lol.

i dont remember people getting mad at the portrayal of idiots in idiocracy.

somehow 'we' always get convinced to adopt the viewpoint of conservatives (who absolve themselves of all personal responsibility and blame their atrocious political/cultural stances of liberals looking down at them).

so now we got liberals who make decisions based on facts and science and overall health/wellbeing policing their own tribe for coming off too 'elitist' because they make fun of the people who right today are celebrating vigilantes for the simple fact they killed liberals.

playing down to the lowest common denominator is exactly how we got here.

idk why our side is so self loathing and circularly destructive to the point we get mad at ourselves for not delicately addressing the enemy instead of just being mad at the enemy and focusing all of our fire on them.

you never see republicans talk about trying not to offend liberals and criticizing each other because they portray liberals in an unflattering manner lol.

  

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136. "yeah, it's not even preachy. it's openly clowning"
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and i get it, smug hollwyood lefties can be annoying as shit, but some of the the few reviews i read were saying a variation of how you're not going to convince climate skeptics by talking down to them. i'm sure they know they're not gonna be convinced either way, but it almost came off if they're scared what if joe the plumber reads my review and thinks i'm one of those out of touch libs lol

  

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143. "i dont understand why they can openly degrade/dehumanize us"
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but as soon as we do it to them its bloody murder and the collapse of civility.

the 'rules' are completely asymmetrical (and we stupidly play into them).

  

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153. "Yep - the people calling it preachy prove it's points."
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They might as well be the same folks as the people IN the movie calling the "just look up" people preachy.

"what about my rights? I'm in favor of the new jobs the comet will bring!"

  

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129. "That shit had me and my girl down and out"
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Shit had me down for like 36 hours, my girl for like 3 days. Talking 103+ fever, body chills and sweats, aches and pains...after that its been runny nose, cough and sneezing for like a aweek but energy levels back.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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139. "Are you vaccinated? "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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152. "Yeah but its been over 6 months. Was just about to"
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Get the booster

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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147. "death rate for middle aged whites has *doubled*"
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*after* vaccines have become widely available.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/12/28/us/covid-deaths.html?referringSource=articleShare
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The change in death rates among groups is starker by race and ethnicity, and the death rate has risen particularly sharply for middle-aged white people. Covid-19 now accounts for a much larger share of all deaths for that group than it did before vaccines were widely available.
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Some of the shift could be attributed to the lagging vaccination rates among white people overall. White people were vaccinated at a higher rate than Black and Hispanic people in the early months of the vaccination campaign — in part because people of color faced more obstacles to vaccine access.

In recent months, however, data from the C.D.C. shows that the vaccination gap has narrowed. White people are now less likely than Asians and Hispanics to be vaccinated, though somewhat more likely than Black people, and their death rates have risen in all but the oldest age groups.
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republicans are really good at killing their own voters...and then convincing them to blame everyone *else* for it.

  

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167. "white people: 70% of deaths since june, 80% of december"
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https://twitter.com/charles_gaba/status/1475985651682226186

  

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173. "the things that slide by "
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could be true because im not hearing about it. remember in the
beginning when majority of blacks were the ones dying? it was all
over the news.

this whole thing is sinister in nature.

  

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156. "12/28/2021 update fo NYC"
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1 in 50 Manhattan Residents Infected With COVID in the Last Week
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/1-in-50-manhattan-residents-infected-with-covid-in-the-last-week/3470148/

About 2,012 of every 100,000 Manhattan residents tested positive in the last seven days, according to the latest transmission data posted by the city. The citywide rate is 1,742 per 100,000.

The Manhattan figure is an average, though; some neighborhoods are substantially higher. The Chelsea and Clinton neighborhoods now stand at 2,600 cases per 100,000 residents in the last week; the Gramercy Park area is at 2,325.

At 2,600 cases per 100,000 residents, Chelsea may be one of the most infected places in the country. According to New York Times data, Washington D.C., where omicron is entirely out of control, has a rate of 279 cases per 100,000.

The word "surge" is almost insufficient to describe what's going on in the city; the citywide transmission rate has risen 10x since the start of the month, more in some areas.

As of Sunday the 7-day average of positive tests for city residents was 19.97%, an astronomical figure without recent precedent. Meanwhile, daily hospitalizations with COVID-like symptoms are now running double where they were just two weeks ago, and more than triple what the city said would "normally" be expected this time of year.

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158. "Yep. My agency ranged from about 3-5 positives per 7 days"
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The last 3 reporting cycles have been 18, 45, 50

Whats crazy is that is with about about 1/5 of our normal staff on vacation.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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169. "12/29/2021 - Records broken"
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U.S. Covid cases rise to pandemic high as delta and omicron circulate at same time
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/29/us-covid-cases-rise-to-pandemic-high-as-delta-and-omicron-circulate.html

U.S. Covid cases are at a record seven-day average of more than 265,000 per day as of Tuesday, surpassing the previous high mark of about 252,000 average daily cases set on Jan. 11, 2021.

The new pandemic peak comes as the delta and omicron variants are circulating simultaneously across the country.

About 75,000 Americans are hospitalized with Covid-19 and the country is reporting more than 1,500 daily deaths. Though both figures are rising, they are lower than when the last daily case record was set nearly a year ago.

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New Omicron variant fills up children's hospitals
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/27/health/covid-kids-hospitals/index.html

A five-fold increase in pediatric admissions in New York City this month. Close to double the numbers admitted in Washington, DC. And nationwide, on average, pediatric hospitalizations are up 48% in just the past week.

The highly transmissible Omicron variant is teaming up with the busy holiday season to infect more children across the United States than ever before, and children's hospitals are bracing for it to get even worse.
"I think we are going to see more numbers now than we have ever seen," Dr. Stanley Spinner, who is chief medical officer and vice president at Texas Children's Pediatrics & Urgent Care in Houston, told CNN.
"Cases are continuing to rise between Christmas gatherings and we're going to continue to see more numbers this week from that," Spinner said in a telephone interview.

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174. "12/30/2021 - records broken again"
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US sets new record for daily Covid cases as Omicron spreads across country
A startling 488,000 cases were reported Wednesday, but even that figure is likely an undercount of the true number

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/30/us-new-daily-covid-cases-record-omicron-spreads

Wow.

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Walensky: New CDC guidance is 'what we thought people would be able to tolerate'
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/587585-walensky-new-isolation-guidance-about-what-we-thought-people-would-be-able


"Nothing is going to be 100 percent, and this is one of those situations when you're dealing with a very difficult situation. We often say, you don't want the perfect to be the enemy of the good," Fauci said.

"The CDC feels, and I don't disagree with them at all, that wearing a mask is ample protection during that second half of a 10-day period, when you balance that against the importance of trying to get people back functioning in society," he added.
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Studies indicate Johnson & Johnson booster provides strong protection against omicron
https://fox5sandiego.com/news/coronavirus/studies-indicate-johnson-johnson-booster-provides-strong-protection-against-omicron/

Headline says it all.


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NYC's At-Home COVID Positives Go Unreported And Unsupported
https://gothamist.com/news/nycs-home-covid-positives-go-unreported-and-unsupported

He took a rapid test at home in his Harlem apartment on Christmas Day, and sure enough, it was positive.

So, he called the city-run Test and Trace hotline, 212-COVID19, hoping to share the news with contact tracers. Of the many options the hotline offered—a directory of testing sites, resources for long COVID, help with isolation—none allowed him to report his positive test.

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175. "Yeah…this isn’t going away…we living with this for a while…"
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176. "01/02/2022"
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Omicron-related disruptions cause over 4,000 flight cancellations to kick off 2022

https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/airlines-grapple-with-omicron-related-disruptions-start-off-2022-2022-01-02/

Over 4,000 flights were cancelled around the world on Sunday, more than half of them U.S. flights, adding to the toll of holiday week travel disruptions due to adverse weather and the surge in coronavirus cases caused by the Omicron variant.

The flights cancelled by 8 pm GMT on Sunday included over 2,400 entering, departing from or within the United States, according to tracking website FlightAware.com. Globally, more than 11,200 flights were delayed.

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Why this Covid-19 surge is 'unprecedented in this pandemic'

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/02/health/us-coronavirus-sunday/index.html

Even health care workers are getting sidelined during the rapid rise of the Omicron variant, the most contagious strain of novel coronavirus to hit the US.

"Our health system is at a very different place than we were in previous surges," emergency medicine professor Dr. Esther Choo said.

"This strain is so infectious that I think all of us know many, many colleagues who are currently infected or have symptoms and are under quarantine," said Choo, associate professor at Oregon Health and Science University.

"We've lost at least 20% of our health care workforce -- probably more."


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Rubio criticizes 'irrational hysteria' over omicron
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/587827-rubio-criticizes-irrational-hysteria-over-omicron

https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1476991857699659777

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177. "01/03/2022"
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Booster Can Boost Effectiveness Against Omicron To 88%, UK Studies Show
Covid Booster Dose: The findings compiled in a report by the UK Health Security Agency (UKSHA) show significantly higher protection provided by third vaccine dose.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/coronavirus-vaccine-coronavirus-vaccine-news-coronavirus-booster-news-booster-can-boost-effectiveness-against-omicron-to-88-uk-studies-show-2685771

Eric Topol, professor of molecular medicine, and director of the Scripps Research Translational Institute in the US noted that vaccine effectiveness drops to 52 per cent against Omicron around six months after taking the second shot of a COVID-19 vaccine.

However, a booster dose substantially increases immunity and lowers the odds of being hospitalised with COVID-19 infection.

"That's a big boost of protection for 3rd dose vaccine vs hospitalisation from Omicron infection. Vaccine effectiveness increased from 52 per cent (due to 2-dose waning after 6 months) to 88 per cent after the 3rd dose," Topol tweeted on Sunday.

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https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/omicron-evades-immunity-better-than-delta-danish-study-finds-2022-01-03/

Omicron 2.7-3.7x more infectious than Delta among vaccinated
Booster-vaccinated less likely to transmit coronavirus
Risk of hospitalisation from Omicron half that of Delta

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179. "Here's some hospitalization/death numbers:"
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/01/03/covid-omicron-variant-live-updates/

Omicron’s impact better measured by rising hospitalizations than cases, Fauci says

As the United States continues to see a huge spike in coronavirus cases driven by the omicron variant, the nation’s top infectious-disease expert, Anthony S. Fauci, says the better way to track the variant’s impact is to look at growing hospitalizations.

The United States was averaging more than 400,000 new cases each day as of Monday, double the previous week’s rate, according to Washington Post data, and is expected to soon hit as many as 1 million cases per day. Fauci, speaking on ABC’s “This Week” on Sunday, said “the real bottom line that you want to be concerned about is: Are we getting protected by the vaccines from severe disease leading to hospitalization?”

Hospitalizations are up 31 percent from last week, and deaths increased by 37 percent, with about 1,500 Americans dying of covid-19 each day. Experts have warned that this surge will be driven by the unvaccinated, as those who are vaccinated and boosted would have considerable protection from serious illness.

Fauci warned of the broader dangers on CNN: “Even if the rate of hospitalization is lower with omicron than it is with delta, there is still the danger that you will have a surging of hospitalizations that might stress the health-care system.”

  

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181. "88% effective against symptomatic infection?"
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based on all the boosted people going through breakthroughs right now i just don't believe that statistic holds up in a real world setting.

  

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184. "88% in those "lab tests""
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>based on all the boosted people going through breakthroughs
>right now i just don't believe that statistic holds up in a
>real world setting.

I wonder how quickly it wanes IRL. If people got boosters 3 months ago how effective are they now?

Plus there's so much COVID out there and it looks like it's easier to catch than the old strains - so the we may not know how to accurately gauge risks IRL yet.



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194. "i caught it 3-4 weeks after the booster"
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and i'm not the only one.

don't think these lab tests hold much weight with the 'cron. case counts amongst the boosted say otherwise.

  

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178. "Vitamin D"
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The Vital Vitamin D/COVID-19 Connection with Dr. Michael Holick
https://youtu.be/JbLX08eVmIs

Vitamin D, government inaction https://youtu.be/fbGug3rczx4

Vitamin D levels advised https://youtu.be/V5g9AVqRsjo

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183. "Another video"
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That shows how important vitamin D is for the immune system. (predates covid-19 but shows how vitamin D fights off many diseases and infections)

https://youtu.be/v3pK0dccQ38

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185. "Campbell's channel is really good"
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186. "yeah, i've been watching him "
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since the beginning of the pandemic

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190. "Wrong place"
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260. "Campell going more crazy over time"
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Last week he says: A lot of deaths WEREN'T JUST from COVID therefore we can't count those. Just blames it on the co-morbidity and I guess that those people would have died anyways?? (And then also doesn't try to find ways to identify deaths not counted.)

This week: His latest video is: Omicron, when to be exposed

He's saying that it is INEVTIABLE to be exposed so he's going to choose when.

How about this asshole: Never - or as late as you can. Certainly not NOW during massive strain on hospitals.

And he's still pushing Ivermectin.

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263. "Cambell now says COVID deats are over reported"
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Truly an insane video with a complete and STUPID misunderstand of death certificates and what counts as a COVID death.

He may be the poster "The Mac."

Dude is using his platform to misinform now - but since he "seems" reasonable a lot of anti-vax people are really linking to him now.

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He's either declining mentally, or cashing in. Or both.

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188. "I wish this lady and Campbell were right, but it's flimsy"
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I agree - people should watch their D levels, I do by taking a supplement.

Plus Campbell has gone BATSHIT CRAZY with ivermectin pushing - even though there's no clinical data showing it to be effective. When Paxlovid is readily available I hope he changes his tune. (I stopped watching him when he started pushing vitamin D hard - although Youtube still shows him to me a lot.)

But I can find no reliable studies saying higher levels of Vitamin D improve COVID outcomes.

I do find a LOT of websites and places that sell supplements touting it.

BTW: I'd love for a cheap and easy to get supplement or treatment worked on COVID, but I don't see that be proven in any way yet. Let's hope someone is actively studying it.



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189. "i didn't watch the ivermectin stuff"
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can't hurt to take vitamin D if you think it will help with covid-19 or not. helps with way more stuff than just covid-19.

Campbell and that woman mentioned a study in their videos. don't know how reliable that study was. i think they both mentioned the same study.

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191. "Found this study after a quick search on Google scholar"
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https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C9&q=covid+19+vitamin+d+deficiency&oq=COVID+19+vit#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3DXDZRNOIkShMJ

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If looking for studies, best to use Google scholar. Regular Google search will mostly bring up ads and will intentionally exclude medical information since Google is mostly an ad agency.

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most kids will probably be fine ..but some won't ..and that shit is coming home to every household this week ...good luck








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182. "Our school district went virtual this week, with the plan to"
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evaluate case numbers going forward re: a return to the classroom. But yeah - with the high rate of transmissibility that this variant has combined with kids in school who are half wearing cloth masks, and returning to the classroom after having been on vacation, visiting family, traveling, etc...it's going to get worse before it gets better.

  

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and they passed a state law that schools cant go full virtual.

wife already said a few students already told her they had covid

my 5 year old is vaxxed but the 4 year old isn’t

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>and they passed a state law that schools cant go full
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198. "Biden admin wants schools open "
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I know, I know- I'm a broken record.

But folks in this house expected more. Expected the response to be much, much better.

When Democrats won it felt like adults took back over. It was a huge sense of relief.


That was half the story. Adults? Yes. Give a shit? No.

Its been a year. A year.


Biden admin is even taking shots at a Chicago Teacher Union for closing up shop.

The previous administration said stupid dangerous shit, downplayed the severity of COVID, tried to focus on the "booming economy", complained about school closures, implemented racist travel bans, and in general tried to pretend things weren't as bad as they were.

The current administration has done all of the above. (Yes, telling vaxxed to take their masks off before data supported it was one of the dumbest, most dangerous things to come out of this. As will be cutting quarantine)

Biden admin wants you to focus only on the economy. Wants your ass back to work. Wants teachers asses back to work so that you can send your kids to school so that your ass can get back to work.


Trump admin downnplayed COVID at every turn to keep their economy going to win reelection.

Biden admin declared premature victory ...shit I don't even know why. Corruption? Same master?

Cuz they could have dragged it out and blamed Trump. they could have managed expectations better.



A year in the pandemic is still raging. Vaxxed are spreading it. Vaxxed are getting ill. Testing is shit. Masks are getting price gouged. And Uncle Joe wants your kids in school for the same reason they cut quarantine. Economy baby. Doners. Fuck your kids, your safety, all of that.


Writing was on the wall for Omnicron months ago. Months ago. But, job numbers!!

No plan for Omnicron. No tests. No masks. No paid leave. No care.

Just vax up, open schools, and get your ass back to work. Downplay, downplay, blame, shrug shoulders.

Why is everyone okay with it just because it has a nicer face? Just because Biden has the right jersey on?

  

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199. "I'm more cautious than the current admin but things HAVE changed"
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>The previous administration said stupid dangerous shit,
>downplayed the severity of COVID, tried to focus on the
>"booming economy", complained about school closures,
>implemented racist travel bans, and in general tried to
>pretend things weren't as bad as they were.

Do you *honestly* think Biden is trying to downplay it? I don't. I hear him talking about it being a huge health issue all the time, telling people to mask, telling people to get vaccinated. And that it's not "over."

Somethings have changed -- there are treatments and therapies that exist now that did not exist in 2020.

Vaccination seems to prevent many infections, and even when you are infected it greatly improves your outcomes.

We also have therapies that worked well - well until Omicron took a few away, including prophylactic antibody treatments, post-infection antibody treatments, and now the Merck and Pfizer drugs are becoming available.


>The current administration has done all of the above. (Yes,
>telling vaxxed to take their masks off before data supported
>it was one of the dumbest, most dangerous things to come out
>of this. As will be cutting quarantine)

They told people they could go mask less when if they were vaccinated and around other people who were also vaccinated - because at the time it was safe, and also as an incentive to get vaccinated. they didn't say 'You're vaxxed, everything is back to normal, problem solved."

If the situation would have stayed static (and , to be clear - it did not stay static) that was not a crazy message.

Literally half of the country was done with masks by that point anyways - governors mandating by law that masks can not be required.

Once delta hit that advise was changed - and changed AFTER I caught delta. They changed the guidance --but too late.


>Biden admin wants you to focus only on the economy. Wants
>your ass back to work. Wants teachers asses back to work so
>that you can send your kids to school so that your ass can
>get back to work.

Seems like the COUNTRY wants that - literally 75% or more of the country wants it "in the past" and Biden is trying to provide as much public health guidance and support as he can. He hasn't done it purposefully or recklessly - but if you think he's motivated 1/10 as much as Trump by denial and focusing on money - I disagree.

I don't see Biden as a ruthless capitalist. But he's certainly trying to balance it - while my inclination would be to focus only on health, I don't think any country has been able to do that.

>Biden admin declared premature victory ...shit I don't even
>know why. Corruption? Same master?

I don't remember him declaring victory - I remember him saying the plan was working. And it was working UNTIL IT DIDN'T because the variants were a variable no one had control over.


>Cuz they could have dragged it out and blamed Trump. they
>could have managed expectations better.
that's it , it's expectations.

No one's saying Trump could have solved COVID - we're just saying he maliciously did it for political reasons and plain cruelty.

Trump saying "I'm not going to wear a mask" was a point where 30% of the people in the country. And he did it for


>A year in the pandemic is still raging. Vaxxed are spreading
>it. Vaxxed are getting ill. Testing is shit. Masks are
>getting price gouged. And Uncle Joe wants your kids in school
>for the same reason they cut quarantine. Economy baby.
>Doners. Fuck your kids, your safety, all of that.
Yeah, that's you projecting.


>Writing was on the wall for Omnicron months ago. Months ago.
> But, job numbers!!

Really? November 24th was 6 weeks ago.

He could have ordered 1 billion tests and 1 billion masks in February - but a lot of folks would have criticized that in the same way if they ended up not being used.

>
>Why is everyone okay with it just because it has a nicer face?
>Just because Biden has the right jersey on?

Nope, because he's doing a BETTER job than Trump and I believe he's trying to manage it.

I think the sheer amount of disease GLABBLY means we can only try to manage it now - I see this as something you can't clean up and "fix' but you can try to manage and get it better.

And yes, I'm depressed about it all. And especially my fellow countrymen.

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201. "the bar should not be so low"
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>>The previous administration said stupid dangerous shit,
>>downplayed the severity of COVID, tried to focus on the
>>"booming economy", complained about school closures,
>>implemented racist travel bans, and in general tried to
>>pretend things weren't as bad as they were.
>
>Do you *honestly* think Biden is trying to downplay it? I
>don't. I hear him talking about it being a huge health issue
>all the time, telling people to mask, telling people to get
>vaccinated. And that it's not "over."

Yes. He and his admin absolutely are downplaying it.

That is why quarantine was cut in half, pressure on schools to be open, etc.

That is why- just like Trump- the message has been "economy! economy! economy!"

If they weren't downplaying it, their response would be more than "get vaxxed jack"



>
>Somethings have changed -- there are treatments and therapies
>that exist now that did not exist in 2020.
>
>Vaccination seems to prevent many infections, and even when
>you are infected it greatly improves your outcomes.
>
>We also have therapies that worked well - well until Omicron
>took a few away, including prophylactic antibody treatments,
>post-infection antibody treatments, and now the Merck and
>Pfizer drugs are becoming available.

Biden admin took their foot off the gas when vaccines hit. They were very naïve about participation and their effectiveness in preventing the spread.

They were so eager to declare victory they did not put enough resources into testing, etc.

We are living it, man. Cant find tests. Masks price gouged. The treatments you referenced have to be rationed.



>
>
>>The current administration has done all of the above. (Yes,
>>telling vaxxed to take their masks off before data supported
>>it was one of the dumbest, most dangerous things to come out
>>of this. As will be cutting quarantine)
>
>They told people they could go mask less when if they were
>vaccinated and around other people who were also vaccinated -
>because at the time it was safe, and also as an incentive to
>get vaccinated. they didn't say 'You're vaxxed, everything is
>back to normal, problem solved."

You're splitting hairs here. I know why they told people to take their masks off. They were dumb enough to think that would incentivize enough people. It didn't. Everyone took their masks off and business weren't comfortable requiring them.

There wasn't enough data at the time to support it. Even then, vaxxed can still spread.

Again, their plan needs to be more than the vaccine.



>
>If the situation would have stayed static (and , to be clear -
>it did not stay static) that was not a crazy message.
>
>Literally half of the country was done with masks by that
>point anyways - governors mandating by law that masks can not
>be required.

Why in the world would anyone think the situation would stay satic? Not a single serious person though that.

Variants have always been a possibility.

And when the Biden admin did that, they removed any cover for businesses etc who still required them.

I live in a blue city in a red ass state. Mask compliance was relatively decent prior to that.

Once they said that, it was a shit storm. Businesses did not feel comfortable requiring them, etc.

They did it too soon.

There were/are much better ways to get people to vax- like requiring it for air travel, tax breaks, etc.



>
>Once delta hit that advise was changed - and changed AFTER I
>caught delta. They changed the guidance --but too late.

And yet Delta didn't teach them a fucking thing. Omnicron is mollywhopping shit and the Biden admin has no fucking answer for it.

When are we allowed to ask the Biden admin to be prepared?

>
>
>>Biden admin wants you to focus only on the economy. Wants
>>your ass back to work. Wants teachers asses back to work so
>>that you can send your kids to school so that your ass can
>>get back to work.
>
>Seems like the COUNTRY wants that - literally 75% or more of
>the country wants it "in the past" and Biden is trying to
>provide as much public health guidance and support as he can.
>He hasn't done it purposefully or recklessly - but if you
>think he's motivated 1/10 as much as Trump by denial and
>focusing on money - I disagree.

I think you get too invested in seeing Democrats as better people.

They are. There you go.

That doesn't mean they aren't shitty. Okay so Trump was 100% motivated by economy and Biden is 50%- how does that help anyone?

The results, sadly, are shockingly similar.

>
>I don't see Biden as a ruthless capitalist. But he's certainly
>trying to balance it - while my inclination would be to focus
>only on health, I don't think any country has been able to do
>that.

Why is it so important to you that Biden isn't seen as a ruthless capitalist?


No. Biden is a politician. He and his administration are absolutely prioritizing the economy over safety.

That's an undeniable fact.

Everything else just seems like you are trying to make yourself feel better about it

>
>>Biden admin declared premature victory ...shit I don't even
>>know why. Corruption? Same master?
>
>I don't remember him declaring victory - I remember him saying
>the plan was working. And it was working UNTIL IT DIDN'T
>because the variants were a variable no one had control over.

And yet, they didn't learn a lesson from Delta.

Where is the admin's plan to vaccinate the world to stop variants?

Where is the plan for testing, masks, etc for the next variant?

Why is each variant the first variant to these people?


>
>
>
>>Cuz they could have dragged it out and blamed Trump. they
>>could have managed expectations better.
>that's it , it's expectations.
>
>No one's saying Trump could have solved COVID - we're just
>saying he maliciously did it for political reasons and plain
>cruelty.
>

He thought downplaying COVID would keep the economy and get him reelected.

Biden thinks focusing on the economy will get him reelected. Democrats need donations from companies like Delta. etc

That's the problem here. Both parties serve the same masters, essentially.

Joe Biden is a much, much, much better person than Donald Trump. I'm not arguing he isn't.

I am arguing we should expect more from Joe.

Its that simple.


>Trump saying "I'm not going to wear a mask" was a point where
>30% of the people in the country. And he did it for
>
>
>>A year in the pandemic is still raging. Vaxxed are
>spreading
>>it. Vaxxed are getting ill. Testing is shit. Masks are
>>getting price gouged. And Uncle Joe wants your kids in
>school
>>for the same reason they cut quarantine. Economy baby.
>>Doners. Fuck your kids, your safety, all of that.
>Yeah, that's you projecting.
>
>
>>Writing was on the wall for Omnicron months ago. Months
>ago.
>> But, job numbers!!
>
>Really? November 24th was 6 weeks ago.

Uh, ok. Why are they not 6 weeks ahead?

And why didn't they learn anything from Delta?

And what are the chances you and I are having this same debate about Omega or whatever?

When are we allowed to expect more?

>
>He could have ordered 1 billion tests and 1 billion masks in
>February - but a lot of folks would have criticized that in
>the same way if they ended up not being used.

Who? Republicans? I don't give a shit and neither should the Biden admin- thats the point.

Fuck yeah- lets be overprepared and share with the world.

I thought thats what would happen when the adults took over.
>
>>
>>Why is everyone okay with it just because it has a nicer
>face?
>>Just because Biden has the right jersey on?
>
>Nope, because he's doing a BETTER job than Trump and I believe
>he's trying to manage it.

Better is such fucking low bar. By admitting the virus is an issue and telling people to get vaxxed?

Trump recently said people should get vaxxed. Should he be Prez again?


Why can't we ask for more of Democrats?

>
>I think the sheer amount of disease GLABBLY means we can only
>try to manage it now - I see this as something you can't clean
>up and "fix' but you can try to manage and get it better.
>
>And yes, I'm depressed about it all. And especially my fellow
>countrymen.
>

When the Biden admin took over I honesty didn't expect much on my wish list. Slim majority, etc.

I thought they would do a little more with the 1/6 juice, but nah.

Anyway, one thing I really thought would happen is a competently managed pandemic.

For instance, if you would have told me the Biden CDC- without data to support the decision and, in fact, with data to contradict the decision- would cut quarantine in half I would not have believed you.

If you would have told me a THIRD variant came and the admin wasn't at all ready, I would not have believed you.

If you would have told me that, like the GOP, the Biden admin and blue check liberals were pressuring schools to stay open, I would not have believed you.

If you would have told me in 2022 I won't be able to find reasonably priced masks, tests, etc I would not have believed you.

I could go on and on.

It has not been a competent response. And if Biden were GOP, you would agree with me. You're playing agenda team sport politics.


I work for a nationally recognized healthcare system that is on the brink of collapse- and one of the final, major straws has been the changed CDC guidance on quarantine. It has created a fucking hellscape and more nurses have quit in the last little bit than any time during this. It is chaos. And has pit frontline vs admin more than any time I have seen.


The Biden admin is doing better than Trump, but that is such a low fucking bar I could scream.


They are failing at this pandemic. Which on top of everything, is moronic politically. Sometimes voters need to at least see you try.


For the life of me I won't get people NOT being upset with Dems when they do GOP shit.

Look in this thread. Folks are pissed at local officials for their school stance, but its crickets when I point out Biden has the same stance. Unreal.

  

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>For the life of me I won't get people NOT being upset with
>Dems when they do GOP shit.

We're not going to agree.

GOP = Actually hoping people die so they can use it to get elected. ACTAULLY doing that. No hyperbole. I believe that 100% by listening to what they say.

DNC = NONE of that.

This is why there will not be a coalition government in the US, and no third parties.


>I work for a nationally recognized healthcare system that is on the >brink of collapse- and one of the final, major straws has been the >changed CDC guidance on quarantine. It has created a fucking >hellscape and more nurses have quit in the last little bit than any >time during this. It is chaos. And has pit frontline vs admin more >than any time I have seen.

Working near asompytpomic people DURING a staffing crisis with no symptoms after 5 days of onset AND masked and remain without symptoms are the last straw? Hasn't been that way at my hospital system, or county because it's implement only that way when in critical staffing shortages.

And it never allows symptomatic people to work. And ALL must work with masks. And our system requires the fit testing procedures to be followed very closely.

I also work for a large hospital system.

I didn't see the change as dramatic as EVEYRONE seems to think it is. It's not "You coughing fever-y mess, come into the hospital and cough on people because we wants to make MONEY."

It's FAR from that, and much more nuanced. But I guess DNC=GOP isn't nuanced either.

Here's our orders:

https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/dam/sdc/hhsa/programs/phs/Epidemiology/covid19/HealthOfficerOrder-Quarantine.pdf

d.Health care employers with critical staffing shortages and lacking the staff to provide safe patient care may use Contingency Capacity Strategies as described by CDC where asymptomatic healthcare personnel (including in skilled nursing facilities during an outbreak
when all staff are considered potentially exposed) are allowed to continue work with a surgical mask or respirator with PCR or antigen testing upon identification and at Day 5-7, but still report temperature and absence of symptoms each day until 10 days after exposure.

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I don't know what combination of losing staff from attrition/staff left vs. infected staff.

But let me say that while I disagreed with you that people are quitting because of the 2 week old updated CDC guidance - they have been quitting over the last year.

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/hospitals-reporting-critical-staff-shortage-as-omicron-drives-rise/38704619#

About 24% of U.S. hospitals are reporting a "critical staffing shortage," according to data from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, as public health experts warn the COVID-19 surge fueled by the omicron variant threatens the nation's health care system.

"Given how much infection there is, our hospitals really are at the brink right now," Dr. Ashish Jha, dean of Brown University's School of Public Health, told CNN on Sunday.

Of the approximately 5,000 hospitals that reported this data to HHS on Saturday, nearly 1,200 -- about 1 in 4 -- said they are currently experiencing a critical staffing shortage, the largest share of the entire pandemic. More than 100 other hospitals said they anticipate a shortage within the next week.

The U.S. health care system is Jha's greatest concern, he said, noting the omicron surge could hamper its capacity to care for patients suffering from conditions other than COVID-19.

"The health care system is not just designed to take care of people with COVID … it's designed to take care of kids with appendicitis and people who have heart attacks and get into car accidents," he said.

"And all of that is going to be much, much more difficult because we have a large proportion of the population that is not vaccinated, plenty of high-risk people who are not boosted," he said. "That combination sets up a large pool of people who as they get infected will end up really straining the resources we have in the hospitals today."

These staff shortages are growing as frontline health care workers are either infected or forced to quarantine due to exposure to COVID-19 just as the demand for treatment skyrockets: More than 138,000 COVID-19 patients were in U.S. hospitals as of Saturday, according to the Department of Health and Human Services. That's not far from the all-time peak (about 142,200 in mid-January 2021) and an increase from around 45,000 in early November.

To safeguard hospital capacity, some facilities are forced to cut elective surgeries. In New York, for example, 40 hospitals -- mainly in the Mohawk Valley, Finger Lakes and central regions -- have been told to stop nonessential elective operations for at least two weeks because of low patient bed capacity, the state health department said Saturday.

The University of Kansas Health System is also close to implementing crisis standards of care, Chief Medical Officer Dr. Steven Stites said Saturday, telling CNN, "At some point ... we're too overwhelmed to do any of our normal daily work."

"At that point, we have to turn on a switch that says we got to triage to the people we can help the most," he said, "and that means we've have to let some people die who we might have been able to help but we weren't sure about -- they we're too far gone or had too much of an injury, or maybe we can't get to that trauma that just came in."

Stites said two waves were hitting Kansas simultaneously -- with delta accelerating post-Thanksgiving, to be met by omicron -- describing it as "almost a double pandemic." The vast majority of those being hospitalized are unvaccinated, Stites said.

About 62.5% of the total U.S. population is fully vaccinated according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. About 36% of those have received a booster shot, the data shows.

Dr. Jonathan Reiner, professor of medicine and surgery at George Washington University, told CNN on Saturday the next several weeks will "look bad in many American cities."

"Forty hospitals in New York just canceled elective procedures. The D.C. Hospital Association, where I work, has asked the D.C. government for permission for hospitals to enact crisis standards of care," he said. "And that's coming to every city in the United States."

Los Angeles sees record weekly case numbers
Nationwide, 39 states are reporting a 50% or greater increase in cases during the past week compared to the previous week, according to a CNN analysis of data from Johns Hopkins University. As of Saturday, the seven-day average of new daily cases in the U.S. was 701,199, per JHU data.

Some localities are now seeing the most new cases they've seen the whole pandemic, including Los Angeles County.

On Saturday, the county reported more than 200,000 confirmed cases over the previous seven days -- the highest number of cases in one week since the start of the pandemic, according to a news release from the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health. Hospitalizations doubled over the week to 3,200 and there were 135 COVID-related deaths, the department said.

With infections rising, California Gov. Gavin Newsom on Saturday announced a proposed $2.7 billion COVID-19 Emergency Response Package designed to bolster testing and vaccination efforts, support frontline workers and battle misinformation, his office said in a news release. Newsom also signed an executive order Saturday "establishing consumer protections against price gouging on at-home test kits," according to his office.

The rise in infections is also hitting Los Angeles' children hard.

At Children's Hospital Los Angeles, the positivity rate for children tested for COVID-19 has increased from 17.5% in December to 45% to date in January, according to CHLA Medical Director Dr. Michael Smit.

CHLA currently has 41 patients in-house who have tested positive for COVID-19, and roughly one-quarter of the children admitted to the facility with COVID-19 require admission to the pediatric ICU, with some requiring intubation, Smit told CNN on Saturday.

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We have reviewed the new order and determined that for everyone’s health and safety, we will not ask team members who have tested positive for COVID-19 and are asymptomatic to return to work.

Policy

For medical and non-medical facilities, HCWs who have tested positive for COVID-19 (by PCR or antigen test, including home antigen test) and are asymptomatic or have improving mild/moderate symptoms AND 24 hours have passed without a fever (off fever-reducing medication) can return to work:

As early as day 5 with a negative laboratory antigen test on day 5 or later OR On day 11 (after 10 days of home isolation) without an antigen test.


Please note that “day zero” is the onset of symptoms date or, if asymptomatic, the date of testing. Follow-up antigen testing is voluntary. A doctor’s note is not required for return to work even if you are off work for more than 7 days.



Employees with severe illness, or who are immunosuppressed, may return to work after 20 days of home isolation if symptoms are improving and 24 hours have passed without a fever (off fever-reducing medication). A doctor’s note is required in the case of severe illness or hospitalization.

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200. "Fuck him and Psaki forever for this"
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>Biden admin is even taking shots at a Chicago Teacher Union
>for closing up shop.

Scab shit. Teachers are going to remember.

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202. "Right? It doesn't even make sense politically"
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Its like Democrats are actively trying to break up their coalition.


Nothing to protect Black voters.

Nothing on Roe.

Nothing on these strikes.

And now basically telling teachers to quit bitching and get to work.


The next two cycles are going to be a fucking bloodbath.


I saw a tweet that essentially said "We are seeing in real time what happens when Democrats try to serve workers and capital at the same time" and it has stuck with me.

That is exactly what is happening. They are showing voters who matters most when shit hits the fan.


I think they could skate in good times- appear to serve both and get away with it.... but during a crisis? Its clear who is most important to them.

  

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237. "Lori Lightfoot has COVID"
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Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot Announces She Has Tested Positive for COVID-19

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/chicago-mayor-lori-lightfoot-announces-she-has-tested-positive-for-covid-19/2726146/

https://twitter.com/chicagosmayor/status/1481003209481195524?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1481003209481195524%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcchicago.com%2Fnews%2Fcoronavirus%2Fchicago-mayor-lori-lightfoot-announces-she-has-tested-positive-for-covid-19%2F2726146%2F

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244. "It's good she gets to isolate and recover, then work from home"
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That's a great way to protect herself and her colleagues from a dangerous virus that's killed more than 800,000 Americans already. And once there's no danger of her spreading this illness to other people, she can return to her important job of shoveling money to Chicago cops and real estate developers and trying to break the Chicago Teacher's Union.

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195. "My wife and I been worrying for weeks"
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Our county decided to go virtual until 1/18 before the winter break. The governor of MD was critical, saying it wasn't necessary, was poor judgment by the county, etc. The next day, he announced he had COVID. Life comes at you fast...

Meanwhile, other counties and DC have tried to stick with back to school after the break, but have made changes since Xmas. Some counties want a negative COVID test before the kids can come back (which is hard to get tested over the holiday, hard to find test kits in stores, and hard to get tested during a snowstorm). Some want the parents to inform the school if the child is infected (which I'm sure will go swimmingly). Some are just opening and playing 'lets see how it goes'. All while COVID cases areawide are climbing at a staggering rate.

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196. "01/04/2021 - 1 Million Cases a day"
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Well, 1 million REPORTED cases yesterday. And that's probably not counting most people who took home tests and got positive - and definitely doesn't count the people who can't get a test.

And there's still a lot of Delta being reported.

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U.S. reports over 1 million new daily Covid cases as omicron surges
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/04/us-counts-over-1-million-new-daily-covid-cases-in-global-record-.html

The U.S. has reported a record single-day number of daily Covid cases, with more than 1 million new infections.

A total of 1,082,549 new coronavirus cases were reported Monday, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University, as the highly infectious omicron variant continues to spread throughout the country and beyond.

The U.S. also has the highest seven-day average of daily new cases in any country tracked by Johns Hopkins.

The record single-day total may be due in part to delayed reporting from over the holiday weekend. A number of U.S. states did not report data on Dec. 31, New Year’s Eve, and many do not report data on weekends, meaning that some of these cases could be from positive tests taken on prior days.

The latest available weekly data from the U.S. CDC, ended on Dec. 25, estimates that the delta variant accounted for around 41% of cases while omicron made up around 58.6% of U.S. infections.
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197. "01/05/2022"
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Omicron now 95% of new COVID-19 infections in U.S., CDC estimates
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-omicron-variant-95-percent-cases/

The Omicron variant made up around 95.4% of new COVID-19 cases in the U.S. last week, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said in an updated estimate published on Tuesday. Only two regions of the U.S. — New England and part of the Midwest — have yet to reach 90% locally. The Delta variant, which was dominant up until a few weeks ago, makes up nearly all the other cases.

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Omicron may be less severe, but it's raising Houston hospitalizations to ‘staggering’ levels

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/health/article/Omicron-may-be-less-severe-but-prevalence-raises-16747178.php

The Texas Medical Center topped 400 new COVID admissions per day between Christmas and New Year’s Day, double the previous week and on par with the worst of delta’s summertime peak. Before omicron’s arrival, the hospital consortium was averaging just 56 hospitalizations per day throughout the month of November.

At Texas Children’s Hospital, pediatric hospitalizations are up fivefold since mid-December. Seventy kids, most unvaccinated, were in the hospital’s COVID wing as of Monday, a tally the hospital’s pathologist-in-chief, Dr. James Versalovic, called “staggering.”

“We cannot say this (variant) is milder for children because it is frankly early and we need time to follow these children and gather data about their outcomes,” Versalovic told reporters Monday.


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'No ICU beds left': Massachusetts hospitals are maxed out as COVID continues to surge
https://www.wgbh.org/news/local-news/2022/01/04/no-icu-beds-left-massachusetts-hospitals-are-maxed-out-as-covid-continues-to-surge


Experts say although the now-dominant omicron variant appears to result in less severe illness than earlier variants, the sheer number of new cases is overwhelming the capacity of the state's hospitals.

"It's really a math issue," Lai-Becker said. "It's the sheer volume, that so many more people have been infected with COVID."

Even if only a small percentage of people who have COVID-19 require hospitalization for their symptoms, overall case numbers are so high that even that small percentage is enough to pack emergency rooms, she explained.

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204. "01/07/2022"
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COVID-19 Deaths Reach 4,500 as San Diego County Urges Testing Only When Necessary

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/covid-19-deaths-reach-4500-as-san-diego-county-urges-testing-only-when-necessary/2834043/

Due to a massive influx in COVID-19 infections and hospitalizations, San Diego County public health officials, Friday urged residents to not only get all vaccinations and the booster but to only seek testing for the illness if necessary.

According to county data, in the past month, confirmed COVID-19 cases jumped from around 4,700 per week to more than 45,000 cases reported in the seven days between Dec. 29, 2021, through Tuesday. That is nearly a tenfold increase in just 30 days.

COVID-19 hospitalizations have also more than doubled in the past 30 days, from 303 to 837, putting a strain on local hospitals that are contending with hundreds of employees unable to work after contracting the virus.

"We're now seeing the highest local case counts of the pandemic. COVID-19 is everywhere," said Dr. Wilma J. Wooten, county public health officer. "The best way to slow the spread of COVID-19 is to have as much immunity as possible and to take other precautions that we know work."

The county Health and Human Services Agency reported 5,922 new infections and five deaths on Friday, increasing the cumulative totals to 477,211 cases and 4,500 deaths.

Hospitalizations increased to 837 from 774, according to the latest state figures, up from 510 last Friday.

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Florida Faces Sharp Rise of COVID-19 Hospitalizations; Deaths Low

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/florida-faces-sharp-rise-of-covid-19-hospitalizations-deaths-low/2656950/

COVID-19 hospitalizations in Florida have increased by more than 365% in the last two weeks, and more than 90% in one week, according to the latest data from the state.

Hospitalizations rose from about 5,000 COVID patients to about 8,500 over the past week, according to federal government data. Cases in the state have continued to rise, reaching another record of 76,887 daily cases on Friday, CDC data shows.

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Hospitals Are in Serious Trouble
Omicron is inundating a health-care system that was already buckling under the cumulative toll of every previous surge.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2022/01/omicron-mild-hospital-strain-health-care-workers/621193/

Omicron is so contagious that it is still flooding hospitals with sick people. And America’s continued inability to control the coronavirus has deflated its health-care system, which can no longer offer the same number of patients the same level of care. Health-care workers have quit their jobs in droves; of those who have stayed, many now can’t work, because they have Omicron breakthrough infections. “In the last two years, I’ve never known as many colleagues who have COVID as I do now,” Amanda Bettencourt, the president-elect of the American Association of Critical-Care Nurses, told me. “The staffing crisis is the worst it has been through the pandemic.” This is why any comparisons between past and present hospitalization numbers are misleading: January 2021’s numbers would crush January 2022’s system because the workforce has been so diminished. Some institutions are now being overwhelmed by a fraction of their earlier patient loads. “I hope no one you know or love gets COVID or needs an emergency room right now, because there’s no room,” Janelle Thomas, an ICU nurse in Maryland, told me.

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Also Supreme Court is going to strip Biden's authority very soon so there will be no federal intervention possible to counteract governors's malicious plans.


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205. "01/09/2022 - Stop calling it mild"
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Covid: Deadly Omicron should not be called mild, warns WHO

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-59901547

The World Health Organization (WHO) has warned against describing the Omicron variant as mild, saying it is killing people across the world.

Recent studies suggest that Omicron is less likely to make people seriously ill than previous Covid variants.

But the record number of people catching it has left health systems under severe pressure, said WHO chief Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus.

On Monday, the US recorded more than one million Covid cases in 24 hours.

The WHO - the UN's health agency - said the number of global cases has increased by 71% in the last week, and in the Americas by 100%. It said that among severe cases worldwide, 90% were unvaccinated.

"While Omicron does appear to be less severe compared to Delta, especially in those vaccinated, it does not mean it should be categorised as mild," Dr Tedros told a press conference on Thursday.

"Just like previous variants, Omicron is hospitalising people and it is killing people.

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Tucker Carlson, Fox News Doctor Discuss Viagra as Possible Treatment for COVID

https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-fox-news-doctor-discuss-viagra-possible-treatment-covid-1667206

"Well, amazingly there appear to be growing connections between Viagra and treatment for the coronavirus," Carlson said in a segment of his Fox News show on Friday. He cited the story of the nurse in the U.K. and brought on Siegel, who is a professor of medicine at the New York University Langone Medical Center, to discuss the treatment.

Ending the segment, Carlson asked: "Is there anything it doesn't cure?"

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That's the state of today - people saying it's mild while disease spreads at an alarming rate, and top rated hucksters pushing boner pills as the cure.


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206. "lol @ that Tucker Carlson quote..."
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>Ending the segment, Carlson asked: "Is there anything it doesn't cure?"

  

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209. "01/10/2022 - Even vaccinated people are pushing "herd immunity" now"
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Social media is abuss about how even vaccinated - AND LIBERAL!!!! are thinking "We'll all get it so just get it over with!!"

But Germany has a GREAT response to it:

Germany needs jabs, not omicron's 'dirty vaccination' — health minister
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-needs-jabs-not-omicrons-dirty-vaccination-health-minister/a-60366926

"We still need a vaccine mandate. Otherwise, omicron is a dirty vaccination through the backdoor. Counting on everyone getting infected sooner or later and becoming immune ... would cause big problems," he said.

The omicron version of the virus has so far appeared to be milder than previous variants. But the health minister warned that "many people would become seriously ill with often permanent damage," if omicron was left unchecked.

"For our children it would be an absolutely irresponsible experiment," he said in a tweet earlier this week.

Fear of future variants
The health minister also said it was "naive" to think that "omicron is the end of the pandemic."

"Mandatory vaccination is also important for the future variants that may still develop," he told Welt. "Omicron infection does not necessarily make one immune to the next viral variant."

Lauterbach also warned of the possibility that a new, more dangerous variant could start spreading.

"Imagine for a second that the omicron variant were significantly more deadly. Then we would be in existential danger now," Lauterbach said. "No one can guarantee that a variant will not develop soon that is much more dangerous."

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Experts say Omicron may bring a ‘level of herd immunity’—but not for long and likely at a terrible cost

https://fortune.com/2022/01/05/experts-omicron-herd-immunity-not-long-terrible-cost/

What the health community refers to as “herd immunity” generally occurs when a large portion of the population is immune, and the virus or bacteria can't find a host within which it can reproduce. Herd immunity can be achieved by having enough people contract an infection and then build up a natural immunity, or with strong vaccination coverage. Approximately 94% of people must be immune in order to successfully halt transmission, according to the Mayo Clinic.

But the problem with herd immunity, and particularly with the COVID-19 virus, is that it is likely time sensitive, Ostrosky says. “We always start seeing declining antibodies a few months out,” he says. Not only is the immunity conferred time-limited, it may also not protect against other mutations of the coronavirus. “An infection with this particular variant doesn't guarantee protection against future variants,” Ostrosky says.

... There is also a very real downside to natural herd immunity, which is that a lot of people are going to get infected and, just by sheer numbers, could end up in the hospital and dying, Ostrosky says. “That's why we've never sort of relied on herd immunity as a strategy to get out of the pandemic. There's a cost to it,” he says.

“People think, ‘Oh, Omicron, it’s no big deal.’ It is a big deal. If you’re not vaccinated, Omicron is a big deal for you,” Poland says.

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Pfizer CEO says omicron vaccine will be ready in March
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/10/covid-vaccine-pfizer-ceo-says-omicron-vaccine-will-be-ready-in-march.html

Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla on Monday said a vaccine that targets the omicron variant of Covid will be ready in March, and the company’s already begun manufacturing the doses.

“This vaccine will be ready in March,” Bourla told CNBC’s “Squawk Box.” “We already starting manufacturing some of these quantities at risk.”

Bourla said the vaccine will also target the other variants that are circulating. He said it is still not clear whether or not an omicron vaccine is needed or how it would be used, but Pfizer will have some doses ready since some countries want it ready as soon as possible.

“The hope is that we will achieve something that will have way, way better protection particularly against infections, because the protection against the hospitalizations and the severe disease — it is reasonable right now, with the current vaccines as long as you are having let’s say the third dose,” Bourla said.

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210. "When liberal is mostly a stand in for non right white people"
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Why does it matter what "even liberals" say?

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>Why does it matter what "even liberals" say?

That's the "new" narrative that's being pushed, I'm just seeing it a lot more this week.

The conspiracists and the right wing are pushing this HARD again: "See , we were right. We should have done NOTHING and let everyone get sick then it'll all be fixed."

I think it'll be the competing narrative even on "mainstream" media soon. People saying "Let everyone become diseased and that's the societal solution." You're going to see a lot of non-right wing pundits starting to say this.

When the death numbers really start rolling in this week then it'll seem even more cruel.


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213. "most people are sheep"
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215. "I do have to say"
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And perhaps I'm wrong (been wrong many a time during this pandemic)...

I'm vaxxed, boosted, etc. I believe in vaccinations, of course. But if this is the strain we're stuck with (and who the fuck knows if THATs the case)...why are vaccine passports/mandates necessary? I certainly understood with the original strain, with Delta, etc. - but the fact that our current vaccines don't prevent omicron, and vaccinated people can pass it around as much (or nearly as much) as non-vaxxed people - why are we still mandating it?

It just seems to be a hugely divisive issue and in all sincerity - I'm so exhausted of being mad at or disappointed in the general public/people around me.

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216. "Long COVID is real"
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Imo that's the real issue even among people who are vaccinated/boosted. Just swy a Twitter thread where (the country of) Finland stated it could cost billions to maintain and deal with the disabilities resulting from COVID infections.

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But if long covid is affecting even vaxxed/boosted people - my question is what does someone NOT being vaccinated have to do with that?

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218. "Risk reduction imo"
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If not getting long COVID is the goal, and being vaccinated/boosted reduces the risk of getting COVID, the mandates are the first line of defense to stop or slow the spread of infection.

Also omicron is the current most visible variant of concern, but delta is still out there plus the threat of any new variants. Who knows how virulent a new variant could end up being.

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220. "sounds like a "
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money grab plot twist on a global scale. what about vaccine injury
though? the national v@ccine injury compens@tion progr@m is a thing. i
know it is/was being used for @utism

  

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219. "Strap in for the next 5-10 years of this"
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>I certainly understood with the original strain, with Delta, etc. - but the fact that our current vaccines don't prevent omicron>

A recent mRNA booster still seems to prevent Omicron infection at around 75%.

Initial Evidence: https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-fda-clears-pfizers-covid-19-booster-shot-12-15-year-olds-2022-01-03/

"Two shots of the mRNA vaccine are about 35% effective against infection from the Omicron variant, but a booster dose restores effectiveness to 75%, according to the CDC, based on data from South Africa and the United Kingdom."


> and vaccinated people can pass it around as much (or nearly as much) as non-vaxxed people - why are we still mandating it?

No proof that vaccinated people spread as much viral load for the same period as non vaccinated. Or no research I could find -but it's still really early days. But even if it's only a 10% difference then it'll help prevent the worse case scenario.

It makes sense that if you have less severe disease you likely have less of a viral load over a period of time than you would if you had a more severe case.

>It just seems to be a hugely divisive issue and in all
>sincerity - I'm so exhausted of being mad at or disappointed
>in the general public/people around me.

They'll likely be an updated vaccine that targets Omicron that'll get the effectiveness from two shots back to a much higher level.

But if we would have just sat back and had no masking and no vaccine mandates and the original more deadly strains circulated this widely then hundreds of thousands to maybe millions of more people would have died in the U.S.

The divisive is a mixture of well meaning folks (1%) , the fucking stupid (66%) , and the politically cynical using it for power (33%.)

Get ready for more people to go into the "fucking stupid" column because they are tired and have been beaten into stupidity. It's coming.

But yeah, can't pretend it's not exhausting.



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281. "there's no good reason to do so. Which is why you're seeing "
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mandates and restrictions drop left and right.

Follow the science, and not the self-righteous.

  

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214. "just an optimistic reminder..."
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...if you're vaccinated there's an almost 0% chance of you going to the ICU or dying

  

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221. "..."
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doesn't make you invincible though. people die everyday. people with
underlying health conditions die everyday. and lord knows theres so
much man-made shit we ingest on the daily.

  

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222. "lmao"
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223. "Holy Shit 1.3 Mil Cases yesterday"
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https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-reports-least-11-mln-covid-cases-day-shattering-global-record-2022-01-11/

That is an insane number. Damn near 2 years into this. we seeing Millions catching it a day.

I'm almost in disbelief by how crazy that sounds.

Why are we not locking down? Especially since if you are vax you can still spread it. MY wife, Daughter, and I haven't left our house in 10 days. We saw fam for New Year day, but outside at the beach. We working real hard to avoid catching it.

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224. "1/11/2022 - Record number of hospitalizations"
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U.S. COVID hospitalizations hit new record high, raising risks for patients

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/01/11/1071568846/u-s-covid-hospitalizations-hit-new-record-high-raising-risks-for-patients


The omicron-driven surge has sent COVID-19 hospitalizations skyrocketing across the U.S., reaching a new pandemic high this week with 145,982 patients hospitalized.

This exceeds the previous high recorded in January last year, according to data tracked by the Department of Health and Human Services, from more than 5,400 hospitals in the country.

Patients with COVID now fill about 30% of ICU beds in the nation and pediatric COVID hospitalizations are also at the highest rate of the pandemic.

The record-breaking numbers are a sign of just how quickly the omicron variant has swept across the country. Overall infections are also at record levels, with the U.S. averaging more than 700,000 new cases a day.



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62,000 Los Angeles students and staff test positive for Covid ahead of return to school (That's around 14%)

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/10/us/california-schools-covid/index.html

As Los Angeles students and staff prepare to return to school Tuesday, about 62,000 have tested positive for Covid-19, school district data show.

The Los Angeles Unified School District (LAUSD) is requiring all students and employees to show a negative test result before returning.
It is the nation's second largest district, with more than 640,000 students in grades K-12.
About 414,000 test results have been recorded, for a 14.99% positivity rate. That is well below Los Angeles County as a whole, where the positivity rate has spiked above 22%.


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Why More Americans Are Saying They’re ‘Vaxxed and Done’
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/01/covid-omicron-vaccination-rashomon/621199/

Vaxxed and done statement:
"For more than a year, I did everything that public-health authorities told me to do. I wore masks. I canceled vacations. I made sacrifices. I got vaccinated. I got boosted. I’m happy to get boosted again. But this virus doesn’t stop. Year over year, the infections don’t decrease. Instead, virulence for people like me is decreasing, either because the virus is changing, or because of growing population immunity, or both. Americans should stop pointlessly guilting themselves about all these cases. In the past week, daily confirmed COVID cases per capita were higher than the U.S. in Ireland, Greece, Iceland, Denmark, France, the U.K., Spain, Portugal, Italy, Switzerland, and even Australia, one of the most COVID-cautious countries in the world. As the coronavirus continues its unstoppable march toward endemicity, our attitude toward the virus should follow a similar path toward stoicism. COVID is becoming something like the seasonal flu for most people who keep up with their shots, so I’m prepared to treat this like I’ve treated the flu: by basically not worrying about it and living my life normally."

Vaxxed and cautious statement:
"Why on earth would we suddenly relax measures now, during the largest statistical wave of COVID ever recorded in the U.S.? We shouldn’t treat Omicron like any old seasonal flu, because it’s not like any old seasonal flu. It’s likely deadlier for those without immunity and almost certainly several times more transmissible for everybody else. We have no idea what the effects of Omicron on long COVID will be, but evidence of lingering symptoms should make us wary of just letting tens of millions of people get needlessly infected. Moreover, the health-care system is already worn down and at risk of being overloaded. Record-high caseloads are societally debilitating, creating long chains of infections that are bound to reach some immunocompromised people and the elderly, thus causing needless death. For all these reasons, we should take individual measures to throttle the spread of this virus."


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226. "RE: Vaxxed and done"
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I may not have a choice being that I work in healthcare
But the idea of continuing to get boosted, every 6 months to a year...without mandates
I can understand the sentiment
I was hoping to be at herd immunity this summer
Looking like another year lost because it's still a choose your own adventure approach
I wept when I saw the vaxxed number is at 62%
Really disappointing to see the back and forth statements from the CDC
I'm exhausted by it all...and I don't blame anyone for side-eying whatever new recommendation comes out for the willing

Mandate the vaccine or enforce social measures nationwide

I was confident the Biden administration was competent enough to handle the pandemic
The changes in messaging and lack of action on a national level are pushing me toward vaxxed and done

I'll be staying home until this $hit is over
F your economy.

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227. "I think my personal attitude/daily life choices lean "vaxxed and done""
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I'm vaxxed and boosted. I wear my mask when I'm indoors in public even when it's not required. I'm extra cautious leading into events where I'm going to be around older family members.

But I can only control myself. I have no control over anti-vaxxers and people who generally don't seem to give a fuck. So while the negative in the "vaxxed and done" camp is the overloaded healthcare system, there's nothing I personally can do about that.

The numbers are showing that the people getting slogged by this thing are predominantly unvaxxed, so given my vax status, age, and health status my personal choices aren't likely to have an impact there, so why continue to avoid living life?

I'll keep getting my boosters. I'll keep wearing a mask when cases are high (see: winters). I have no problem wearing a mask if you ask me to before entering your business/home/etc. But other than that, it's clear whatever I do means nothing if a significant portion of the population doesn't give a fuck. We had our opportunities to end this, although who knows if in the end that would have ended this thing early on or just simply delay the inevitable.

  

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228. "RE: so why continue to avoid living life?"
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Because there are going to be more variants
The transmissability of Omicron almost guarantees that
The more hosts Covid finds, the more likely there are to be variants
Something else is coming...

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229. "But at this point it seems like all we can control is our personal healt..."
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If there is a huge populace of people that are gonna fuck over any chance of us ever getting rid of this regardless (anti-vaxxers, anti-maskers, etc) then I have 3 options:

1) Get my vax/boosters and stay inside besides necessities
2) Get my vax/boosters, mask when cases are high/I'm in a place that's risky, but live life as normal otherwise.
3) Say fuck it and just pretend this doesn't exist/is a problem.

Because of people in group 3 there's no end in sight, so why stay inside and lose more years of my life? I'm vaxxed and cautious, but I'm not gonna be overly cautious for the rest of my life.

  

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230. "Because of people in group 3...there should be national mandates"
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I get it
But I've had issues with the unknowns from the beginning
Just the name...Novel...meaning new...translated to me...nobody knows what they're talking about IRT long term effects
My goal from day 1 has been to not contract the virus for that reason
So far so good...and the hence the reason I'm in group 1
The other WTF moment was the loss of smell symptom
That implies a neurological effect...sense of smell being in your brain
I work in chronic pain
I've had patients, some of whom I've worked with for years, pain resolved...contract Covid...and then report to me that the pain has returned
Not in a focal area...their entire body

Where I think this administration is faiLing
Obviously better than the Trumpster do nothing approach
But we should have been much more aggressive immediately
and to your point, I don't think we ever get out of this until there are national mandates/more aggressive approaches than the pick and choose options being used to date

Take for example this most recent holiday season
I remember messaging about it being a more normal holiday, gatherings, etc...
This spike following the holiday season was predictable given the varying requirements across the country

...and I'm not volunteering to contract a virus that nobody knows the long term effects of...or how lethal the next variant will be...just to keep this economy afloat

F that.

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235. "I support mandates"
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As I've mentioned, I'm vaxxed and I'm wearing a mask even in places I'm not required to.

But I'm not gonna rely on national mandates before choosing to leave my house for more than just groceries.

  

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232. "Having kids complicates your option 1..."
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I have a 13 year old and a 7 year old. I'm fortunate that they just started allowing boosters for 12-15 year old kids, so my oldest is freshly boosted while my youngest is freshly (within the last month) double vaxxed. My immediate family has made it through this entire pandemic with none of us getting the virus.

BUT as of today they are back in school full time. Around kids who are half wearing (and sometimes not wearing at all) cloth masks. I told my wife this morning that it feels like we are sending our kids off to get the virus and just fully trusting in the vaccines, because it feels inevitable given the above and the current case rate in our county. We don't really have any reasonable option against it either - the schools aren't offering a virtual option unless we completely pull our kids from their schools (with no option to return until next school year.)

And again, we are fortunate with our kids' ages and their vaccination status - we have friends with kids younger than 5 who are just out of luck right now...

  

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233. ">so why continue to avoid living life?"
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What kind of new age language is this??

Same kind of talk my dead (from COVID) uncle was talking. He picked it up from Fox News.

I'm living my life - just not stumbling around when a VIRAL BLIZZARD is occurring.

I wouldn't go out if measles was this prevalent either.

So much disease is out there right now - is it worth it to eat at some mediocre restaurant this month?? I'll get take out and continue living disease fee. Or I'll just make some spaghetti.

Mitigate the risks - that's the cautious part.

I'm passing on the maskless Florida booze cruise.

Cautious.

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234. "I guess, for me, "living my life" doesn't mean going 100% back to pre-CO..."
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There are things I'm gonna continue to outright avoid, mainly extra large gatherings during times of spikes in cases.

But for a long time I wasn't going out to eat ever. I wasn't seeing many friends. I wasn't experiencing much of anything outside of the walls of my home.

At this point, I'm vaxxed/boosted and I'm ready to loosen my leash.

  

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236. "Exactly, my approach from the beginning has always been the same"
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Is XYZ worth dying for?
No...then I'm staying home.

I'm a bit more laxed during spring/summer when the weather permits outdoor events

But like I said, this recent spike was predictable...regardless of what we're being told

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240. "We got real lax this summer"
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and by relaxed I mean going to Pittsburgh to visit family and went to the zoo.. and went to the beach a few times

We always mask up indoors but we didnt mask up at cookouts with family or at the zoo unless we went to an indoor exhibit.

but I also went to 2 football games and masked up the firet game but relaxed for the last game.. we were spaced out in the cheap seats.

Not sure what we are supposed to do since we are vaxxed and boosted. One kid is too young to get vaxxed and they do go to school but the school is good about mask as far as we can tell.. but every other day we get a covid positive notice from their school. My wifes school is
all types of covid positive. She just got tested again and the results were negative.

No way we are staying home and bubble wrapped these days…

and no shade but sure seems like a lot of people who are extra cautious on here are still catching it. So what gives?

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239. "Bruh, you went to Disneyland"
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stop it

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241. "this is, easily, the most pragmatic Covid post I've read on OKP"
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242. "yeah, i'm pretty much here too"
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as things ramp up i'll adjust accordingly, but not really drastically.

i skipped a new years day gathering i would have normally gone to due to omicron. some people who were there wound up testing positive. everyone isolated, and the rest are negative so far.

i went to about 4 sporting events in the fall and winter. i wouldn't do that now.

but other than that, can only control so much.

  

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231. "I will feel Vaxxed and done once my infant daughters us vaxxed"
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until then....

If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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238. "01/12/2022"
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The highly contagious Omicron variant will 'find just about everybody,' Fauci says, but vaccinated people will still fare better

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/11/health/us-coronavirus-tuesday/index.html

"Omicron, with its extraordinary, unprecedented degree of efficiency of transmissibility, will ultimately find just about everybody," Dr. Anthony Fauci told J. Stephen Morrison, senior vice president of the Center for Strategic and International Studies. "Those who have been vaccinated ... and boosted would get exposed. Some, maybe a lot of them, will get infected but will very likely, with some exceptions, do reasonably well in the sense of not having hospitalization and death."
In contrast, those who are not vaccinated are "going to get the brunt of the severe aspect of this," he added.

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Omicron in California: S.F. is ‘in the middle of the worst’ of surge

https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/article/Omicron-in-California-Latest-news-and-updates-16765361.php

A Bay Area county has banned large indoor gatherings and advising residents to shelter in place for the next 30 days amid the omicron surge, but other counties in the region are not following suit. California hospitals are bracing for an even greater influx of new patients as the state shatters pandemic highs for new COVID-19 cases. An East Bay school district reverted to online learning amid the omicron surge as districts struggled over the last week to staff classrooms.

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Omicron wreaks havoc across California prison facilities as staff cases surge
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/11/omicron-covid-california-prisons-staff-cases-surge-us

Currently, 69% of prison workers are fully vaccinated, according to the California department of corrections and rehabilitation, although the percentage varies drastically from prison to prison. At three facilities, fewer than 50% of staff are fully vaccinated, according to the department.

Meanwhile, 80% of inmates in state prisons are fully vaccinated. As cases have risen among the workforce, state prisons have reported 2,358 active infections among incarcerated people over the last two weeks. Infections among incarcerated people rose 301% between 26 December and 2 January.

The state announced last week that it would suspend visits at every facility for 15 days in order to reduce the spread of infections.
Vaccine mandate feud intensifies as staff infections increased 212% in January with only 69% of prison workers fully vaccinated

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243. "Can't find at home tests. No available appointments. "
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Friends of mine just having to sit at home and assume they have COVID. What a clusterfuck this is turning into.

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245. "That’s what’s crazy about the high case levels…. "
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With it being so hard to get tested right now, as high as these numbers are, what are the ACTUAL case numbers with all the people that can’t get tested who have it? Or the positive home tests who never went to go get an official test? Or the family members of those with official tests who are just assuming they have it since they can’t get a test?

  

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246. "Yeah. Numbers have to be much higher."
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Even in a small facebook community group i'm a part of there are countless posts about "at home test was negative but my family member was so sick i decided to go get an official test which came back positive. That and the inability to find at home tests. Here in Florida i know the numbers are much higher than whats being reported.

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248. "Or what about the people who do multiple test a week?"
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I get a positive test Monday, Wed, Friday...thats 3 cases, 1 person.

Cmon, these numbers are CROOKED like KING KONG SHOOK IT

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249. "my state tracks by individual...please stop"
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I'd guess a lot of states do


You are really out of your element man and now you're just reaching for shit.


So you think the numbers are what...doubled?

Okay, lets say 400,000 people dead...not 800,000.


You know what, lets cut that more. Lets say they are exaggerating the numbers by 4x (a vast conspiracy to get you to line up for a *checks notes* FREE vaccine)

Ok.

200,000 dead from COVID.


They all deserve to die to you?


Maybe cuz they were old or had immune issues etc.


Its okay that they are dead, right?



And all these people- including our personal drs who we have known for years- are in on the scam, yeah?


And the healthcare system I work it is getting fucking wrecked in every way possible by COVID....

Part of the scam?


There are a handful of people (maybe even a few scientists) on YouTube and Facebook who we SHOULD listen to


And like 100x more experts that we should ignore? Even ones we personally know?


The the people we have personally known who have died, gotten very ill, lost their sense of taste from this shit....


Actors, yeah?


You're going to be in the history books one day for figuring all of this out, man.

  

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252. "Just want to push back on one thing here (RE: "free" vaccine)"
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a vast conspiracy to get you to line up for a *checks notes* FREE vaccine
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The vaccines are "free" to the public. But somebody is paying for them (taxpayers). The feds are paying Pfizer and Moderna about $24 per dose. So there are financial incentives involved.
I don't see evidence of a conspiracy, but those companies do benefit.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-buys-200-million-covid-19-vaccines-from-pfizer-and-biontech-at-about-24-a-shot-11627078710

  

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253. "cmon"
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If the US gov wanted to hook up Pfizer etc there would be much much much easier ways to do it than fake a global pandemic that has killed 800,000.


Don't give these idiots an inch or they will take it to Youtube.

  

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256. "That's so dumb i thought you were being sarcastic at first. Lmao"
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CDC forecast predicts more than 62,000 Covid-19 deaths in the US in the next four weeks

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/omicron-variant-coronavirus-news-01-12-22/h_79fdb874ccd3ad30c7006185bb70f1ea


An ensemble forecast from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention published Wednesday predicts that over 62,000 more people could die from Covid-19 over the next four weeks.

According to data from Johns Hopkins University, the coronavirus has killed 842,322 people in the United States.

The forecast could mean an average of 2,624 Covid-19 deaths a day, up from a current average of 1,715 per day, according to JHU data.

The CDC included projections that indicate the number of deaths will rise steadily over the four weeks.

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COVID-19 updates: Classes in Chicago canceled for 4th day
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/live-updates/coronavirus/?id=82048523



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WHO says omicron cases are ‘off the charts’ as global infections set new records

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/12/who-says-omicron-cases-are-off-the-charts-as-global-infections-set-new-records.html

A record 15 million new Covid-19 infections were reported across the globe in a single week as omicron rapidly replaces delta as the dominant variant across the globe, and “we know this is an underestimate,” World Health Organization Director-General Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus told reporters at a press briefing Wednesday.

“The sheer volume of cases is putting a burden on health-care systems,” said Maria Van Kerkhove, WHO’s technical lead on Covid-19. “Even though omicron is less severe than delta, it is still putting people in the hospital. It is still putting people into ICU and needing advanced clinical care. It is still killing people.”
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AND almost no one thinks it might be a good idea to lockdown again.

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250. "anyone savvy enough to put together some data?"
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or maybe there already a site that shows this information in this way.

im trying to make a list of countries fully vaccinated rate, new cases per million (or whatever metric makes sense, new deaths per million, current icu cases per million.

looks like this site has this data but not sure i can filter it out in an efficient way

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths

i have seen sites show the vaccination rates as well as give numbers for total cases/death but i think it would be the most relevant to compare recent numbers.

no idea if this would be good enough to show any correlation but curious.

  

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251. "John Hopkins has a lot of data like that, but...."
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I'm no statistician so I'm not sure how you'd do that in a way that is valid.

Tons of dashboards here:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

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254. "01/17/2022"
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The U.S. surgeon general warns that Omicron has not yet peaked.

https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/the-u-s-surgeon-general-warns-that-omicron-has-not-yet-peaked/20081723/?version=amp

But “the challenge is that the entire country is not moving at the same pace,” he said, adding that “we shouldn’t expect a national peak in the coming days.”

“The next few weeks will be tough,” he said.

The highly contagious omicron variant has fueled an explosive surge of known cases, with an average of more than 800,000 new cases a day reported Saturday, according to a New York Times database.

Dr. Ashish Jha, dean of the Brown University School of Public Health, also expressed concerns that the next several weeks would overwhelm hospitals and staff. “Right now, we’re at about 150,000 people in the hospital with COVID,” he said on “Fox News Sunday.” “That’s more than we’ve ever had. I expect those numbers to get substantially higher.”

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Social media and news reporters are all filled with "This looks like a possible end of the pandemic" nonsense still.

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255. "On more 01/17/2022"
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CDC's suggestion to cancel football, band in nearly every US school called 'unrealistic'

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/17/health/cdc-guidance-out-of-touch/index.html

CDC's school guidance
As part of its guidance last updated on January 6, the CDC advised schools to "cancel or hold high-risk sports and extra-curricular activities virtually" any time a community has a "high" Covid-19 transmission rate.

The guidance links to a CDC map that indicates more than 99% of US counties are currently experiencing high transmission.

The CDC gives football and wrestling as examples of high-risk sports and says that "high-risk extracurricular activities are those in which increased exhalation occurs, such as activities that involve singing, shouting, band, or exercise, especially when conducted indoors."

Paul Imhoff, president of The School Superintendents Association, told CNN while schools have gone to great lengths to curb the spread of Covid-19, he doesn't know of any schools that have cancelled activities such as football or band or choir. Such activities, he said, are "important to students' mental health."

"As schools are making decisions about having choir and band and wrestling, it's about making sure our kids are healthy in every way. I think everyone's doing their best to take care of th
e whole child," said Imhoff, a school superintendent in Ohio.
In her statement to CNN, Walensky said the CDC "developed our school guidance knowing school administrators, teachers and parents were looking to us at CDC to get their children back in the enriching environment of the classroom and it was a priority to get our children back to school safely," adding that "vaccines are available for school-aged children, which adds another layer of protection and enhances the school guidance."

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Not only do people demand their kids go back INTO a school they have to play the god-damned flute and rassle too!!

While disease is at the highest its ever been.

What a joke.

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257. "01/18/2022"
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Trump held a rally and REALLY REALLY REALLY lied about Vaccines and treatments in the most brazen and overtly racist way yet.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/white-people-are-not-being-pushed-to-the-back-of-the-line-for-covid-vaccines-and-therapeutics-as-trump-claimed-at-rally/ar-AASRYLX


“The left is now rationing life-saving therapeutics based on race, discriminating against and denigrating, just denigrating white people to determine who lives and who dies,” Trump said at the rally, adding, “You get it based on race. In fact, in New York state, if you’re White, you have to go to the back of the line to get medical help. If you’re White, you go right to the back of the line.”


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Israeli trial, world’s first, finds 4th dose ‘not good enough’ against Omicron

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-trial-worlds-first-finds-4th-dose-not-good-enough-against-omicron/

5, 2022. (Avshalom Sassoni/Flash90)
Nearly a month after Sheba Medical Center launched a landmark study to test the efficacy of a fourth COVID shot, the hospital said Monday that this fourth booster was only partially effective in protecting against the Omicron strain.

“The vaccine, which was very effective against the previous strains, is less effective against the Omicron strain,” Prof. Gili Regev-Yochay, a lead researcher in the experiment said.

“We see an increase in antibodies, higher than after the third dose,” Regev-Yochay said. “However, we see many infected with Omicron who received the fourth dose. Granted, a bit less than in the control group, but still a lot of infections,” she added.

“The bottom line is that the vaccine is excellent against the Alpha and Delta , for Omicron it’s not good enough,” she said.

Regev-Yochay added that it is still probably a good idea to give a fourth shot to those at higher risk, but intimated that perhaps the current campaign, which also offers the jab to the over-60s, should be amended to only include even older groups. She did not elaborate.

The hospital did not release more specific data. Regev-Yochay said the results of the research are only preliminary, but indicated that she was providing the initial information since there was high public interest in the matter.

Hours after releasing the results, Sheba published a statement calling for “continuing the vaccination drive for risk groups at this time, even though the vaccine doesn’t provide optimal protection against getting infected with the variant.”

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Don’t count on omicron ending the pandemic, Fauci says
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/01/18/covid-omicron-variant-live-updates/

Top U.S. health officials are urging caution amid reports of coronavirus cases peaking in some areas and speculation that the omicron variant could end the pandemic.

“It is an open question whether it will be the live virus vaccination that everyone is hoping for,” Anthony S. Fauci, the president’s chief medical adviser, said Monday during a virtual panel at the Davos economic forum.

“I would hope that that’s the case. But that would only be the case if we don’t get another variant that eludes the immune response of the prior variant,” he said. Even then, he added, covid-19 probably would remain as an endemic disease worldwide.

“If you look at the history of infectious diseases, we’ve only eradicated one,” he said. “And that’s smallpox. That’s not going to happen with” the coronavirus.

Surgeon General Vivek H. Murthy expressed a similar note of caution Sunday on CNN, saying that despite apparent omicron peaks in pockets of the Northeast, much of the country isn’t there yet. “The next few weeks will be tough,” he said.

Meanwhile, Pfizer chief executive Albert Bourla predicted that “we will soon be able to resume a normal life” given pandemic mitigation measures including tests and vaccines. But he also said that doesn’t mean an end to the coronavirus.


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258. "01/19/2002 - The UK goes Florida"
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Betting Omicron has peaked, Johnson drops COVID rules in England

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/uk-lifts-covid-restrictions-omicron-wave-peaked-82349201

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson says face masks will no longer be mandatory in public places and schools in England and COVID-19 passports will be dropped for large events, as infections level off in large parts of the country

The government will no longer advise people to work from home and beginning next Thursday mandatory COVID-19 passes will not be required to gain entry to large-scale events.

Compulsory face masks will be scrapped in classrooms starting Thursday as well, and from next week they will not be legally required anywhere in England.

“We will trust the judgment of the British people and no longer criminalize anyone who chooses not to wear one,” Johnson said.

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Can You Get Omicron More Than Once? Chicago's Top Doctor Answers
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/can-you-get-omicron-more-than-once-chicagos-top-doctor-answers/2730791/

"So typically, we have seen that for about three months or so after somebody has been infected with a particular strain of COVID, they are very unlikely to be infected again with that strain," Arwady said during a Facebook Live Tuesday. "I think we're still learning a little bit about that with omicron. And because we saw that, compared to all the ones that came before , people who had had in the past were five times as likely to get infected again and so... that's one of the one of the questions that people are still looking at. I would say, you know, unofficially while we're waiting for the data to come in, I would expect that somebody who has just had, if you knew that it was omicron, you would probably be unlikely to get omicron again for the next few months based on what we've seen previously, but I'm less confident in that statement than I would have been for prior variants, given what we've seen."

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The coronavirus pandemic is "nowhere near over," WHO says


Nearly two years since the coronavirus pandemic was officially declared by the World Health Organization (WHO), we're still no closer to knowing when it will end.

The highly transmissible Omicron variant has swept the globe since it was first detected in South Africa in November. Cases in the United States are at a record high and continue to climb. From Australia to Germany, infections are leaping to never-before-seen levels, putting a significant strain on health care systems.

But the fact that it is less likely to cause severe disease than previous coronavirus variants has led to heavy speculation over whether it might mark a turning point — or a conclusion — to the pandemic.

WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus poured cold water on that theory Tuesday, saying, "this pandemic is nowhere near over."

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/omicron-variant-coronavirus-news-01-19-22/index.html

"Omicron may be less severe — on average, of course — but the narrative that it is mild disease is misleading, hurts the overall response, and costs more lives," Tedros said. "Make no mistake, Omicron is causing hospitalizations and deaths and even the less severe cases are inundating health facilities. The virus is circulating far too intensely with many still vulnerable."
And yet some governments seem to be resigning themselves to the virus ripping through their populations indefinitely. According to their logic, "we need to learn to live with this virus."

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259. "01/21/2022 (Still less than 2 months since Omicron identified)"
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Booster shots needed against omicron, CDC studies show

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/booster-shots-needed-against-omicron-cdc-studies-show/2022/01/21/ae9ef240-7ad5-11ec-9dce-7313579de434_story.html

Three studies released Friday offered more evidence that COVID-19 vaccines are standing up to the omicron variant, at least among people who received booster shots.

They are the first large U.S. studies to look at vaccine protection against omicron, health officials said.

The papers echo previous research — including studies in Germany, South Africa and the U.K. — indicating available vaccines are less effective against omicron than earlier versions of the coronavirus, but also that boosters significantly improve protection.

The first study looked at hospitalizations and emergency room and urgent care center visits in 10 states, from August to this month.

It found vaccine effectiveness was best after three doses of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines in preventing COVID-19-associated emergency department and urgent care visits. Protection dropped from 94% during the delta wave to 82% during the omicron wave. Protection from just two doses was lower, especially if six months had passed since the second dose.

The second study focused on COVID-19 case and death rates in 25 states from the beginning of April through Christmas. People who were boosted had the highest protection against coronavirus infection, both during the time delta was dominant and also when omicron was taking over.

Those two articles were published online by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The Journal of the American Medical Association published the third study, also led by CDC researchers. It looked at people who tested positive for COVID-19 from Dec. 10 to Jan. 1 at more than 4,600 testing sites across the U.S.

Three shots of the vaccines were about 67% effective against omicron-related symptomatic disease compared with unvaccinated people. Two doses, however, offered no significant protection against omicron, the researchers found.

“It really shows the important of getting a booster dose,” said the CDC’s Emma Accorsi, one of the study’s authors.

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261. "01/23/2022 - deaths still HIGH"
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3866 deaths yesterday, Jan 22 2022, according to the NYT chart. It's behind a Paywall now

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Omicron ‘sub-variant’ throws up new virus questions
British health authorities have identified hundreds of cases of the Omicron variant dubbed BA.2.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/1/22/omicron-sub-variant-throws-up-new-virus-questions

The UKHSA indicated on Friday it had designated the BA.2 sub-lineage as a variant under investigation (VUI) as cases of it were on the increase even if, in Britain, the BA.1 lineage currently remains dominant.

The authority underlined that “there is still uncertainty around the significance of the changes to the viral genome”, which required surveillance as, in parallel, cases in recent days showed a sharp rise in BA.2 incidence notably in India and Denmark.

“What surprised us is the rapidity with which this sub-variant, which has been circulating to a great extent in Asia, has taken hold in Denmark,” French epidemiologist Antoine Flahault told the AFP news agency.

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In Hospital Strained by Omicron, Weary Nurses Treat Too Many Patients
Houston Methodist Hospital can’t keep up as a depleted staff works overtime and more beds are shifted to Covid-19

https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-hospital-strained-by-omicron-weary-nurses-treat-too-many-patients-11642933804

“With 1,100 new positive cases in our employees last week, you have no choice,” Ms. Schwartz said early this month while Houston Methodist Hospital was closing about 140 beds a day on average, more than one-tenth of its capacity, largely because of staffing.

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“It’s death all around you all the time,” said Nikki Saranathan, a Houston Methodist Hospital nurse. “It drains you.”

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262. "01/24/2022 - TWO MONTHS IN"
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What we know as of 02/24/2022:
If it is more contagious.
-YES-

If the disease is more severe.
-NO- But still severe for unvaccinated and especially virus naïve.

If re-infection rate is higher.
-YES-

If effectiveness of vaccination is lowered.
-YES- Much lower after 2 shots and 6 months. Booster shot seems to lower chance of becoming infected AND lowers risk of hospitalization by 80%-90%

If Merck and Pfizer anti-virals are effective against it.
-YES- People really really upset that the anti-virals have not been produced in large quantities - even though Pfizer and Merck both said quantities increase in April. Paxlovid seems to take 110 days to manufacture.

Possible new vaccines - could take as little as 100 days - could take more depending on regulatory requirements.
-YES- Pfizer said to have formulation done and manufacturing in earnest. Trials going on now - possible March release date for countries who want it.


State of treatments:
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/

Works against Omicron:
Ritonavir-Boosted Nirmatrelvir (Paxlovid,pill)

Molnupiravir (Merck, pill)

Remdesivir (Gilead, injection) (They approved this for out patient yesterday.)

Sotrovimab (GlaxoSmithKline,injection) (monoclonal antibody)

Evusheld (AstraZeneca, injection)(Pre-exposure antibody injection for the immuno-comprised.)


Not indicated for Omicron:
Bamlanivimab plus Etesevimab (Eli Lilly) (monoclonal antibody)

Casirivimab plus Imdevimab (REGEN-COV) (monoclonal antibody)

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264. "01/28/2022"
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A second version of omicron is spreading. Here's why scientists are on alert

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/01/27/1076123109/new-covid-variant-omicron-ba-2

Is omicron BA.2 as transmissible as omicron BA.1?
Over the past several weeks, omicron BA.2 has begun to surprise scientists. And it's starting to look like it can, in some countries, outcompete its sibling omicron BA.1 — and, really, any other variants.

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Moderna's omicron booster won't be ready before summer
The company started clinical trials on the variant-specific vaccine this week.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/omicron-variant-moderna-plans-seek-fda-ok-new-booster-summer-rcna13839

Moderna plans to seek authorization from the Food and Drug Administration for its omicron-specific Covid-19 vaccine booster by the summer, the company’s chief medical officer said Thursday — a time frame that means that the targeted vaccine may not be available to the public until the second half of the year.
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Third dose of mRNA vaccine boosts protection from hospitalization in immunocompromised, study finds

(From CNN)

A third dose of an mRNA vaccine provides increased protection against hospitalization with Covid-19 in people with conditions that compromise their immune system — as well as in those who don’t have such conditions — according to a study published Thursday in the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.

Research has found that people who have weakened immune systems because of conditions like certain cancers, AIDS or organ transplants may not have had a complete immune response from the standard two doses of an mRNA Covid-19 vaccine.

The new study followed 2,952 hospitalized adults – 1,385 who were Covid-positive and 1,567 who were negative for Covid-19 — and compared vaccine effectiveness among those who had received two doses of the mRNA vaccine and those who had gotten three. The third vaccine was defined as a full dose in immunocompromised people or a booster dose in those without immune-compromising conditions.

The researchers found that a third dose increased vaccine effectiveness against hospitalization from 69% to 88% among the immunocompromised and 82% to 97% among those without immune-compromising conditions.

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265. "There really isn't a vaccine for kids under 5."
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Wild. I'm so glad I got my kid into that trial.

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266. "What was the results of your trial?"
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Or is the Pfizer or Moderna trail they're expecting to release the results from in the next few weeks?

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268. "For me or my kid?"
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270. "your kid, we don’t care about you… j/k"
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my daughter will be 5 in May.

Cant wait.. thankfully she hasn’t had any issues.

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267. "01/31/2022 "
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Irrational skepticism
The C.D.C. has begun to publish data on Covid outcomes among people who have received booster shots, and the numbers are striking

NOTE: These are pre-omicron stats

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/31/briefing/boosters-cdc-covid-effectiveness.html

Weekly average deaths per 100,000 from Oct to Nov 2021
Unvaccinated: 7.8
Vaccinated, no booster: 0.6
With Booster:0.1

That risk is not zero, but it is not far from it. The chance that an average American will die in a car crash this week is significantly higher — about 2.4 per million. So is the average weekly death rate from influenza and pneumonia — about three per million.

With a booster shot, Covid resembles other respiratory illnesses that have been around for years. It can still be nasty. For the elderly and immunocompromised, it can be debilitating, even fatal — much as the flu can be. The Omicron surge has been so terrible because it effectively subjected tens of millions of Americans to a flu all at once.

For the unvaccinated, of course, Covid remains many times worse than the flu.

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US. adults by political affiliation
Unvaccinated: Dems:9%, Repubs 36%, Ind 22%
Vaccinated, no booster: Dems 29%, Repubs 30%, Ind 39%
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269. "02/10/2022 Highest deaths rates in a year "
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Covid deaths highest in a year as omicron targets the unvaccinated and
elderly

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/02/08/omicron-deaths-covid/

Yet the seven-day average of deaths during the omicron surge has reached 2,600 in recent days, climbing past the late September peak of about 2,000 average daily fatalities during the surge of the more dangerous delta variant, according to Post tracking. The ranks of hospitalized patients with covid-19 reached record highs in January. Coronavirus deaths lag hospitalizations.

More than 900,000 Americans have died of covid-19.

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Omicron Death Rate Higher Than During Delta Surge
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20220209/omicron-death-rate-higher-than-during-delta-surge

With the Omicron variant now accounting for almost 100% of COVID-19 cases in the United States, the seven-day average of daily COVID-related deaths hit 2,600 recently, the highest rate in about a year,The Washington Post reported.

That’s higher than the approximately 2,000 daily deaths last autumn during the Delta surge, but less than the 3,000 daily deaths last January, when COVID vaccines were not widely available, The Post data analysis said.

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Omicron pushed doctors to the brink. 3 keys to get them back.
https://www.ama-assn.org/practice-management/physician-health/omicron-pushed-doctors-brink-3-keys-get-them-back



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271. "so, why are all these places loosening restrictions?"
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not doubting the numbers, i'm truly asking why.

are we just "over" it at this point as far as our desire to "safely" deal w/ covid and people just wanna live with it and take their chances?

seems like an odd time to be doing that if the numbers are bad.

  

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272. "cause America is tired of it and the weather is getting better"
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its almost outside time again

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273. "They blame the gov't for loosening restrictions last year..."
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Now, the blame them for not loosening them quickly enough.

It's because it's a hard problem that has no 'correct' answer and most American's would rather have the same, or double or triple the amount of people dying from COVID as the flu if they can go out and get drunk and not have to wear a mask.

More disease then ever before. More deaths than in a year and almost more than any other period - and people are 'over it."

50,000 or more deaths a year forever is fine by a lot of folks.

Under 2 years ago:
Texas Lt. Governor: Old People Should Volunteer to Die to Save the Economy
According to Dan Patrick “lots of grandparents” are willing to sacrifice themselves for the cause.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/03/dan-patrick-coronavirus-grandparents

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275. "institutions have been failing on this topic for years now"
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Whoever is in power (Trump or Biden) has downplayed the threat and wanted people to focus on other things. One admin get an F--- and the other maybe a D+.

I won't repeat myself here, you know what I have to say...but one other way they both have failed...


Where is the national mourning for the dead? Where is the hero-making of medical workers?


Every war has a memorial for the deceased. A celebration of heroes. Etc.


Hell, after 9-11 folks were running around in NYPD t-shirts and shit.


900,000 dead and NEITHER ADMINISTRATION has given it the amount of respect/attention/etc that it deserves.


Amerikkka just isn't numb to all this death and illness. Its not even that. It worse.

Its like...not existent until it happens to you.


No memorial. Vigil. No hero worship. None of it.


Media dropped the fucking ball. Each Admin has. Neither has forces the media to care.


These lives don't matter. Its more complicated than "Americans are just tired and over it"

Nah. Its more than that.


No one is even asking people to care anymore. Complete lack of leadership.







  

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278. "I guess I can see a difference between..."
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Trump and Biden's policies.

Also that republicans are a DEATH CULT in their policies and Democratic ranges from very concerned and doing their best to just lazy.

My hopes for the vunerable is that paxlovid will stay 90% effective and be available easily, cheaply and everywhere. and that more therapeutic therapies are created.

But a lot of folks have identified themselves as garbage people.

And NO ONE will be able to get this ENTIRE country's pussy wet. Trump does that for Republicans - but their policies are truely trash.

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282. "The gravitas you are rightfully calling for would incite a LOT of ????"
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from the public, especially about our existing healthcare system, and our methods of governance.

And we ABSOLUTELY cannot have that.

Americans should be burning shit in the street and at elected officials front doors...but, here we are.

  

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274. "Because the case numbers are down. "
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The death numbers are still crazy high like mentioned above, but the case numbers have been consistently going down after peaking mid-January. Of course the death numbers always lag behind the case numbers, so that makes sense.

That being said, the case numbers declining COULD be a symptom of cases being underreported. But as we discussed up higher in this thread, the case numbers were also being underreported when Omicron was peaking.

  

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276. "Case numbers down - but relative to what numbers"
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They are way down since the peak of Omicron. But they are still way way way up since delta.

Covid cases in USA:
Jan 28,2021 7 day average: 259,6161
Sep 2,2021 7 day average: 164,382
Jan 12,2022 7 day average: 806,928
Feb 4,2022 7 day average: 321,791

So 7 day average this week is still above the peak levels of 2020.
And DOUBLE that of the delta wave peak.

So a TON of disease. ERs and urgent cares swamped for months. Less hospitalization overall and slightly less death than the worst time, but still very close.

But still very very high compared to pre-Covid, and multiple times worse than the worst flu season we've ever had.

If there was this much FLU out there I'd expect restrictions too.

So I think, as a country, and maybe as a species we don't care about the health of others, or ourselves.

It is depressing.

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277. "Oh I absolutely agree...just saying what is being used for"
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justification. At this point because of politicization, pandemic fatigue, and the "let the unvaxxed die" mentality among many of those who had been in support of all restrictions not long ago, those making decisions are finding anything they possible can to justify rollbacks of those restrictions.

So when they are seeing case numbers decline consistently like they have the last several weeks, it makes for an easy argument.

  

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279. "02/16/2022 - "
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U.S. ‘excess deaths’ during pandemic surpassed 1 million, with covid killing most but other diseases adding to the toll, CDC says

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/02/15/1-million-excess-deaths-in-pandemic/

The excess-deaths figure surpassed the milestone last week, reaching 1,023,916, according to Robert Anderson, chief of the mortality statistics branch of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s National Center for Health Statistics. The center updates its estimate weekly.

Although the vast majority of the excess deaths are due to the virus, the CDC mortality records also expose swollen numbers of deaths from heart disease, hypertension, dementia and other ailments across two years of pandemic misery.

“We’ve never seen anything like it,” Anderson said.

In 2019, before the pandemic, the CDC recorded 2.8 million deaths. But in 2020 and 2021, as the virus spread through the population, the country recorded roughly a half-million deaths each year in excess of the norm.

The CDC’s excess deaths tracker shows in detail the speed and intensity of that initial wave: Deaths soared more than 40 percent above normal in the United States in the second week of April 2020.

The lethality in early April was concentrated in a few hot spots; for example, deaths in New York City were seven times the norm, but some regions had minimal change in mortality for many months.

Anderson said 91 percent of the deaths from covid-19 tracked by his unit were attributed directly to the disease. In the other 9 percent of deaths, covid-19 was listed as a contributing factor but not the primary cause.

The CDC documented 13 other types of non-covid causes of death that were inflated during the pandemic compared with historical trends starting in 2013. For example, since the start of the pandemic, the category of ischemic heart disease has recorded an additional 30,000 deaths beyond what would be expected. Deaths from hypertensive disease were nearly 62,000 higher than expected.

The CDC’s analysis estimates 208,431 excess deaths from all the non-covid causes since the start of the pandemic. At first glance, that number plus the 911,000 covid-19 deaths would suggest the excess deaths were greater than 1.1 million. But Anderson notes that many of the people who died of covid-19 were elderly, sick or very frail, and, even without a pandemic, some might not have survived across the two-year span of the pandemic. “Some of those covid deaths are not, strictly speaking, excess deaths,” he said.

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Coachella and Stagecoach will not require negative COVID tests or vaccinations

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coachella-stagecoach-2022-will-no-longer-require-negative-covid-tests-or-vaccinations/

Organizers for the 2022 Coachella Valley Music and Arts Festival and the 2022 Stagecoach Festival will no longer require negative COVID-19 tests or proof of vaccination from attendees. Both festivals are slated to return this year for the first time since 2019, after being cancelled for two years due to the pandemic.

Stagecoach tweeted Tuesday that its rules have changed "in accordance with local guidelines." None of Coachella's social media accounts announced a change, but the rules on Coachella's Health and Safety page state that no masks, tests or vaccinations will be required at the festival.

Websites for both festivals also note that "there is an inherent and elevated risk of exposure to COVID-19 in any public place or place where people are present and there is no guarantee, express or implied, that those attending the festival will not be exposed to COVID-19."

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Biden administration outlines need for $30 billion in new coronavirus aid
Republicans have raised concerns about approving new money, saying there are unspent funds that should be used first.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2022/02/15/white-house-coronavirus-aid/

In a sign of the tough task to come, Republicans have signaled they may not be willing to approve new spending for coronavirus aid until they have a fuller accounting as to the state of the roughly $6 trillion authorized since the start of the pandemic. Some GOP lawmakers have said they believe that Washington first should redirect existing aid before commissioning new money.

“Let’s start the discussion by talking about repurposing the hundreds of billions already sitting in the pipeline,” Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said earlier this month.

Democrats, however, have signaled they favor a bolder approach, especially in urging the White House to spend anew to procure and ship vaccines globally. More than 80 party lawmakers in December called for at least $17 billion in new funds to address the worldwide disparity in access, citing the fact that low inoculation rates abroad could help spawn new, perhaps more deadly mutations.

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283. "Denmark"
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In warning to U.S., COVID rates soar after Denmark lifts all restrictions

https://www.aol.com/news/warning-u-covid-rates-soar-183342110.html

At the beginning of February, Denmark became the first major country to lift the last of its COVID-19 restrictions and effectively declare its part in the pandemic over.

Around the world, and especially in the United States, Denmark’s “liberation” from indoor mask mandates, vaccine passports and nightclub closures was heralded as a watershed moment — the shape of things to come. Democratic governors across the U.S. started rescinding their own mask rules a few days later.

“This marks the transition to a new era for all of us, because Denmark will once again be an open society, completely open,” said Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen. “We dare to believe that we are now through the critical phase."

Since then, however, Denmark has continued to record more COVID-19 cases per capita than nearly anywhere else in the world, and both COVID hospitalizations and deaths have shot up by about a third.

“Not looking good in Denmark,” Dr. Eric Topol, founder and director of the Scripps Translational Institute, tweeted Sunday, sharing several charts that terminated in near-vertical upward lines. “Deaths are now 67% of peak, with a steep ascent.”

“The world is looking to Denmark as a guide to removing all restrictions,” Topol added in a subsequent tweet, “and it seems that we've seen this movie before.” He then attached a screenshot of a news story headlined “Denmark lifts all coronavirus restrictions and celebrates ‘a whole new era’” — from Sept. 10, 2021.

Topol’s argument was clear: By ending mitigation measures prematurely, Denmark has brought a resurgence of infection, hospitalization and death upon itself — and anyone who follows in the country’s footsteps risks doing the same.

But is that the right way to read the numbers? In response to Topol’s tweet — and others like it — Danish experts took to Twitter to object.

“Those data do not capture the epidemic situation in Denmark adequately,” tweeted political scientist Michael Bang Petersen, who advises the Danish government and leads the country’s largest study of pandemic behavior.

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The current situation in Denmark offers an early glimpse of how that kind of “endemic” future could unfold. In late January, COVID cases there appeared to crest. But driven by BA.2, a more transmissible subvariant of Omicron, they began to rise again immediately after mitigation measures were lifted, reaching a new all-time high average of 7,970 cases per million residents on Feb. 13 — 13 times the country’s previous peak, recorded in December 2020.

That’s an astronomical amount of virus. In comparison, the U.S. and the U.K. both topped out at around 2,500 cases per million residents at the height of their recent Omicron waves.


Topol's tweet: https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1492924522730639364?s=20&t=kNRLaRas3SBIoqFMFHUotw

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284. "Lots of complaining about this one on social media"
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They say the data is still counting omicron wave when restrictions were in place and this is the predictable rise in hospitalizations and deaths that trails it.

We'll see in a few weeks when that can no longer be argued.

But they seem to think you can't stop it, so why even try.

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285. "Denmark's case numbers for the pandemic are weird..."
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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/denmark/

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/denmark

Based on the above curve (and I see the same thing on the Google tracking page) their case numbers have been LOW the entire pandemic, until November 2021 when omicron hit (besides a relatively tiny bump in December 2020, which correlated with a large bump in deaths at that same time). Then in November, December, and January both their case and death numbers blew the EFF up. Small decrease in the case numbers over like a few days, and then they decided to end all the restrictions??????? I seriously can't make sense of any of it...

  

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286. "02/18/2022 - Ba2 may be more severe than B1"
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As BA.2 subvariant of Omicron rises, lab studies point to signs of severity
https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/17/health/ba-2-covid-severity/index.html

he BA.2 virus – a subvariant of the Omicron coronavirus variant – isn’t just spreading faster than its distant cousin, it may also cause more severe disease and appears capable of thwarting some of the key weapons we have against Covid-19, new research suggests.

New lab experiments from Japan show that BA.2 may have features that make it as capable of causing serious illness as older variants of Covid-19, including Delta.

And like Omicron, it appears to largely escape the immunity created by vaccines. A booster shot restores protection, making illness after infection about 74% less likely.

BA.2 is also resistant to some treatments, including sotrovimab, the monoclonal antibody that’s currently being used against Omicron.

... Kei Sato, a researcher at the University of Tokyo who conducted the study, argues that these findings prove that BA.2 should not be considered a type of Omicron and that it needs to be more closely monitored.


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About 73% of U.S. Estimated to Be Immune to Omicron Variant

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20220217/omicron-immunity-estimate-us

Feb. 17, 2022 -- About 73% of Americans are now immune to the Omicron variant, which could increase to 80% by mid-March, a university health institute says.

About half of eligible Americans have received booster shots, and about 80 million confirmed COVID-19 infections have been reported. Many more infections have occurred but haven’t been officially recorded, The Associated Press reported.

The high percentage of immunity from vaccination and previous infection tends to prevent or shorten new illnesses and reduce the amount of virus circulating overall. Health experts are now discussing whether the number is high enough to stop new waves or reduce the burden on hospitals.

“I am optimistic even if we have a surge in summer, cases will go up, but hospitalizations and deaths will not,” Ali Mokdad, PhD, a professor of health metrics sciences at the University of Washington in Seattle, told the AP.

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287. "Anybody really surprised?"
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People will be back outside and then getting sick just as sundress season hits. Whatever. Sanitizer and masks stay on deck until they have a cure, not a vaccine. SO be it.

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288. "02/23/2022"
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/interactive/2022/vaccine-protection-was-much-weaker-against-omicron-cdc-data-shows/

The new data shows that vaccines provided greater protection against hospitalization than for infection during the omicron wave, even as that protection waned. Before omicron, unvaccinated people were 15 times as likely to be hospitalized as were fully vaccinated people. With the latest coronavirus variant, the difference in rates dropped to about seven times as much.

Among the most vulnerable people — those 65 or older — the unvaccinated were about four times as likely to be hospitalized as fully vaccinated people who also had boosters. Before omicron, the difference was more than nine times.

Younger unvaccinated people were about five times as likely to be hospitalized as their peers with boosters.

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The new Omicron Subvariant is More Transmissible. Is the Economy Ready to Reopen?
https://www.barrons.com/articles/omicron-subvariant-reopening-51645646147

The subvariant, known as BA.2, appears to be up to 30% more transmissible than BA.1, the predominant subvariant. More than 20% of Omicron cases could be traced back to the new subvariant by the fifth week of 2022, the WHO said in a weekly newsletter published in mid-February.

Still, other academic papers have hinted at the possibility that the BA.2 variant could be just as good, it not better than, its cousin at evading therapeutic monoclonal antibodies, which could make it harder to treat if the subvariant were to spread as much as BA.1 did.

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https://www.marketwatch.com/story/who-says-omicron-subvariant-is-not-stopping-global-cases-from-falling-and-u-s-nearing-940-000-covid-deaths-11645629362

WHO says omicron subvariant is not stopping global cases from falling, and U.S. nearing 940,000 COVID deaths

The World Health Organization said the BA.2 subvariant of the omicron strain of the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 appears to be more transmissible than the original omicron but is not stopping overall case tallies from declining globally.

In a special statement on the omicron variant, the agency said public health officials should continue to monitor BA.2, which differs from BA.1 in its genetic sequence, including some amino-acid differences in the spike protein and other proteins.

While BA.2 is more infectious than the earlier omicron, the difference is much smaller than the difference between delta and omicron, said the statement.

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As omicron wave fades, is the U.S. heading toward herd immunity?
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/as-omicron-wave-fades-is-the-u-s-heading-toward-herd-immunity

Is omicron leading us closer to herd immunity against COVID-19?

Experts say it’s not likely that the highly transmissible variant — or any other variant — will lead to herd immunity.

“Herd immunity is an elusive concept and doesn’t apply to coronavirus,” says Dr. Don Milton at the University of Maryland School of Public Health.

Herd immunity is when enough of a population is immune to a virus that it’s hard for the germ to spread to those who aren’t protected by vaccination or a prior infection.

For example, herd immunity against measles requires about 95% of a community to be immune. Early hopes of herd immunity against the coronavirus faded for several reasons.

One is that antibodies developed from available vaccines or previous infection dwindle with time. While vaccines offer strong protection against severe illness, waning antibodies mean it’s still possible to get infected — even for those who are boosted.

Then there’s the huge variation in vaccinations. In some low-income countries, less than 5% of the population is vaccinated. Rich countries are struggling with vaccine hesitancy. And young children still aren’t eligible in many places.

As long as the virus spreads, it mutates — helping the virus survive and giving rise to new variants. Those mutants — such as omicron — can become better at evading the protection people have from vaccines or an earlier infection.

Populations are moving toward “herd resistance,” where infections will continue, but people have enough protection that future spikes won’t be as disruptive to society, Milton says.

Many scientists believe COVID-19 will eventually become like the flu and cause seasonal outbreaks but not huge surges.



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289. "so is it true most mask mandates end March 1st?"
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after they just told us a couple weeks about they we had to have the official "N95" and any other masks were useless...

going all the way back to the beginning where you didn't need a mask unless you were sick, then you did, then you had to have "N95", then any makeshift face covering will do...

then you have to wear masks indoors, then it was ok to take it off if you were eating or drinking, then you you were encouraged to wear a mask outside, then you weren't...

I try to avoid they conspiracy theories on this shit but if its not the jokiest joke ever lol...

who's profiting off these "N95" masks anyway?

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290. "Is this a bit???"
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>I try to avoid they conspiracy theories on this shit but if
>its not the jokiest joke ever lol...
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>who's profiting off these "N95" masks anyway?

Turn that intellect onto other things. This obsession with hacky comedian level masks theories are played out.

Masks slowed the disease spread. Better masks slowed it more.

Trump let Bob Woodward know on Feb 7,2020 that this is more "more deadly than... even your strenuous flus.” The weeks later said it was just a flu. Then said after the CDC recommended masking that *he* wasn't going to do it.

People act like the CDC sad "if you have an n95 throw that shit away and wear a bandana."

This country is full to the brim with fucking disease - wear a fucking mask.



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291. "Big mask!"
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>who's profiting off these "N95" masks anyway?

  

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292. "3/2/2022 TEST TO TREAT!!!!!!!"
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This is what I've been waiting for!!

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/biden-state-of-the-union-2022/h_f38c2ce4290c112a16738a619f6e783b


Biden announces new "Test to Treat" initiative and says Americans will get free Covid-19 antiviral pills
From CNN's Kate Sullivan

President Biden announced a new “Test to Treat” initiative and said Americans will be able to get tested for Covid-19 at a pharmacy and receive free antiviral pills “on the spot” if they test positive.

“If you get Covid-19, the Pfizer pill reduces your chances of ending up in the hospital by 90%,” Biden said. “I’ve ordered more pills than anyone in the world has. Pfizer is working overtime to get us a million pills this month and more than double that next month.”
Pfizer’s antiviral pill, Paxlovid, has been shown to significantly reduce hospitalizations and severe illness and was authorized by the US Food and Drug Administration last year.

Upon its authorization, Biden announced a purchase of 10 million courses. The President has since said the federal government will double its order from 10 million to 20 million treatment courses.









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Americans can order another round of free at-home Covid-19 tests next week
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/01/politics/free-at-home-covid-tests-us-order-more/index.html

Americans can order additional free at-home Covid-19 tests supplied by the US government starting next week.

"If you already ordered free tests, tonight, I'm announcing you can order another group of tests. Go to Covidtest.gov starting next week and you can get more tests," President Joe Biden said during his Tuesday State of the Union address.
In January, the government launched its effort to provide free rapid antigen tests to any household that requested them through that website or by calling 800-232-0233. There was a limit of four tests per residential address.
The website now says every home in the US can order an additional set of four tests starting next week.

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293. "03/09/2022"
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CDC warns of alarming surge in Covid Omicron sub-variant in New York City as mandates lifted

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ba2-omicron-variant-new-york-b2031743.html

The Omicron sub-variant BA.2 makes up for 11.6 per cent of Covid-19 variants in the United States as of 5 March, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said on Tuesday.

The cases of BA.2 variant have been doubling each week, CDC data from last week initially showed. However, the numbers were revised to a slightly lower degree on Tuesday.

Revised estimates from the CDC showed that the “stealth” Omicron sub-variant accounted for more than 6 per cent of the cases in the US in the week that ended on 26 February, and nearly four per cent in the week before that.

In New York, which is among the major regions where Covid mandates are being lifted, the cases of BA.2 variant have soared about four times in the past month.


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295. "03/10/2022 DELTACRON??"
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2022/03/10/covid-variant-deltacron/9442062002/

There may be a new COVID variant, Deltacron. Here's what we know about it.

A potential new COVID variant, a combination of the Delta and Omicron variants – you can call it "Deltacron" – has been identified.

The World Health Organization said Wednesday the new COVID-19 combination has been detected in France, the Netherlands and Denmark. It's also been found in the U.S., according to a new report soon to be published on research site MedRxiv and viewed by USA TODAY.

The San Mateo, California-headquartered lab Helix, which works with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to track COVID-19, sequenced 29,719 positive COVID samples collected Nov. 22, 2021, to Feb. 13, 2022, from across the U.S., according to the research team, which included the University of Washington Medical Center and testing company Thermo Fisher Scientific.

Researchers found two infections involving different versions of Deltacron, resulting from the combination of Delta and Omicron genetic material. Twenty other infections had both the Delta and Omicron variants, with one case having Delta, Omicron and Deltacron.

Should we worry about Deltacron?
Not right now. Compared to variants such as Delta and Omicron this new variation – researchers have not adopted the "Deltacron" name officially – appears not likely to spread, said William Lee, the chief science officer at Helix.

"The fact that there is not that much of it, that even the two cases we saw were different, suggests that it's probably not going to elevate to a variant of concern level" and warrant its own Greek letter name, he told USA TODAY.

So far, in the places where Deltacron has been detected, "there are very low levels of this detection," said Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, an American infectious disease epidemiologist and the WHO's COVID-19 technical lead, during a press conference Wednesday.

For now, WHO has not seen "any change in the epidemiology," Van Kerkhove said. And regarding Deltacron, "we haven't seen any change in severity. But there are many studies that are underway."

William Hanage, an epidemiologist at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, concurs. "It's only a variant if it produces a large number of cases," he said. "So no. If it's not causing lots of cases, people don’t need to be concerned."

Why is Deltacron important?
Usually, mutations happen steadily until one becomes strong enough to become a new thing. In this case, there were different mutations happening, perhaps by the continued existence of Delta during the wave of Omicron. "For a few weeks co-infection cases probably happened more often than we know of, because they can be difficult to detect," Lee said.

While people may not need to worry about this, researchers can learn from Deltacron's development. "It's an interesting phenomenon and it helps us understand more about how the virus evolves and how the pandemic continues to endure," Lee said.

The continuing changes in variants "validate the need for ongoing national surveillance to identify potential variants of concern as part of an early warning system that monitors for new viral trends" including COVID, flu and other viruses, he said.

Testing and constant study of the virus is "critical," Van Kerkhove said. "It's really critical that we continue with sequencing, that we have good geographic representation of sequencing around the world, and that the systems that have been put in place for surveillance for testing for sequencing, right now be reinforced, that they're not taken apart, because we have to move on to the next challenge."

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296. "Transformers Season 3, after the Movie..."
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>A potential new COVID variant, a combination of the Delta and Omicron variants – you can call it "Deltacron" – has been identified.

  

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297. "03/13/2022 - Obama and booster"
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https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1503092299173089288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1503092299173089288%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2022%2F03%2F13%2Fpolitics%2Fbarack-obama-covid-positive%2Findex.html


Barack Obama
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I just tested positive for COVID. I’ve had a scratchy throat for a couple days, but am feeling fine otherwise. Michelle and I are grateful to be vaccinated and boosted, and she has tested negative.

It’s a reminder to get vaccinated if you haven’t already, even as cases go down.

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Pfizer CEO says a fourth booster shot 'is necessary'

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/598026-pfizer-ceo-says-a-fourth-booster-shot-is-necessary

Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla said on Sunday that a fourth dose of the COVID-19 vaccine will be necessary to continue to help keep hospitalizations manageable and sicknesses more mild.

"Right now, the way that we have seen, it is necessary, a fourth booster right now. The protection that you are getting from the third, it is good enough, actually quite good for hospitalizations and deaths," Bourla said while appearing on CBS's "Face the Nation."

"It's not that good against infections but doesn't last very long. But we are just submitting those data to the FDA , and then we will see what the experts also will say outside Pfizer," he added.

In August, the FDA fully approved Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine for people at least 16 years old or older. A third dose of Pfizer's vaccine has been granted emergency use authorization.

Bourla told CNBC on Saturday of his company's plans to submit data for a fourth COVID-19 dose.

"It’s clear that there is a need in an environment of omicron to boost the immune response," he said while appearing on CNBC's "Squawk Box.”

Countries including Israel, Chile and Germany have already begun recommending fourth COVID-19 doses for high-risk groups.

"Face the Nation" host Margaret Brennan asked Bourla if he expects to be able to avoid the same confusion over booster shots that came about when the third vaccine dose was being deployed.

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Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla said on Sunday that a fourth dose of the COVID-19 vaccine will be necessary to continue to help keep hospitalizations manageable and sicknesses more mild.

"Right now, the way that we have seen, it is necessary, a fourth booster right now. The protection that you are getting from the third, it is good enough, actually quite good for hospitalizations and deaths," Bourla said while appearing on CBS's "Face the Nation."

"It's not that good against infections but doesn't last very long. But we are just submitting those data to the FDA , and then we will see what the experts also will say outside Pfizer," he added.

In August, the FDA fully approved Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine for people at least 16 years old or older. A third dose of Pfizer's vaccine has been granted emergency use authorization.

Bourla told CNBC on Saturday of his company's plans to submit data for a fourth COVID-19 dose.

"It’s clear that there is a need in an environment of omicron to boost the immune response," he said while appearing on CNBC's "Squawk Box.”

Countries including Israel, Chile and Germany have already begun recommending fourth COVID-19 doses for high-risk groups.

"Face the Nation" host Margaret Brennan asked Bourla if he expects to be able to avoid the same confusion over booster shots that came about when the third vaccine dose was being deployed.

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"I think so. And I think right now we need to be very well coordinated, CDC , FDA and the industry so that we are all providing to the American people and to the world a cohesive picture rather than confusion," he said.

During his interview on Sunday, Bourla reiterated his company's goal of creating a vaccine effective against all variants of COVID-19 for longer periods of time.

"We are working very diligently right now ... to make not only a vaccine that will protect against all variants, including omicron, but also something that can protect for at least a year," he said. "And if we be able to achieve that, then I think it is very easy to follow and remember so that we can go back to really the way used to live."

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298. "03/25/2022 - Omicron not sleeping "
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7 day death average this week was 822. That means were on track to have 300,000 more deaths from in in the next year.

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https://deadline.com/2022/03/ba-2-omicron-cases-los-angeles-1234986553/

Los Angeles BA.2 Covid Cases Jump 130% In One Week As More Transmissible Omicron Variant Spreads Across U.S.

Los Angeles County Public Health officials announced today that the county of 10 million people had finally begun to experience a trend that has already hit many parts of the United States: a rapid rise in the number of Covid cases attributed to the more transmissible Omicron BA.2 variant.

Per L.A. County:

Although the current sequencing sample represents a small fraction of all cases, it indicates that between February 27- March 5, 14.7% of sequenced cases were the BA.2 Omicron sub-lineage in LA County. This is an increase from 6.4% of sequenced cases in the prior week.

Just last week, the county’s director of Public Health, Barbara Ferrer, described the increases in BA.2 as “a gradual growth.” Things seem to have changed. The ascent from 6.4% of sequenced cases to 14.7% means an overall 129.68% increase in the variant. By almost any measure, that is not gradual growth.

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https://www.businessinsider.com/can-you-get-ba2-if-you-had-omicron-evidence-risk-2022-3

Early research suggests your risk of getting COVID in the next wave is lower if you already had Omicron. Here's everything we know about BA.2 reinfections.

Reinfection with Omicron is possible, but not common
Researchers in Denmark, where scientists sequence lots more COVID-19 cases that in other spots around the globe, have found that reinfection with BA.2 after BA.1 can happen, but it's quite rare.

Looking at data from more than 1.8 million cases in the three month period between November 2021 and February 2022, they found just 47 reinfections of BA.2 after BA.1. Most of those were in "young, unvaccinated individuals," the researchers wrote. A similar story has played out in England, where among more than 500,000 sequenced BA.1 and BA.2 specimens taken between November and late February, just 43 potential reinfections* were discovered (*the data is still preliminary.)

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299. "03/28/2002 - Free tests ending"
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Reminder: GOP and Romeny in particular don't want to spend a single penny on Covid funding - they are only willing to take a small amount of money from another part of the budget and use it instead.

Fucker GOT Covid too. GOP are ideology over humanity.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/599591-romney-working-on-gop-counteroffer-to-new-dem-covid-19-funding-plan

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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/28/health/concerns-rise-as-a-us-reimbursement-fund-for-testing-and-treating-the-uninsured-for-the-virus-stops-taking-claims.html

As the White House pleads with Republicans in Congress for emergency aid to fight the coronavirus, the federal government said that a fund established to reimburse doctors for care for uninsured Covid patients was no longer accepting claims for testing and treatment “due to lack of sufficient funds.”

Some U.S. health care providers are informing uninsured people they can no longer be tested for the virus free of charge, and will have to pay for the service.

Quest Diagnostics, which operates one of the largest networks of testing sites and laboratories in the United States, last week began to notify clients that the reimbursement was no longer available, Kimberly B. Gorode, a spokesperson for the chain, said on Sunday.

Patients “are being told they can’t get it for free,” she said. Uninsured people will now have to pay $125 to be tested at Quest Diagnostics, while other testing services may charge up to $195.

Customers enrolled in a private insurance plan, or covered by Medicare or Medicaid, are not affected, she said.

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Weekly Covid cases in UK increase by 1m, figures show
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/25/weekly-covid-cases-uk-rise-ons-data-figures

The number of coronavirus infections across the UK rose by an estimated 1m compared with the previous week, with figures in Scotland at a record high, data from the Office for National Statistics has revealed.

According to the latest information from the ONS, based on swabs collected from randomly selected households, an estimated 9% of the population in Scotland had Covid in the week ending 20 March, about one in 11 people. The figure is the highest recorded by the survey since it began looking at the situation in Scotland in October 2020.

Infection levels also increased in England and Wales, although they decreased slightly in Northern Ireland, with data revealing that about one in 16 people in England had Covid in the most recent week, compared with one in 20 the week before, a rise from about 2,653,200 to 3,485,700 people.

The figure is just shy of the all-time high for England, when about 1 in 15 were estimated to have Covid in the week between Christmas and New Year’s Eve last year, at the height of the Omicron wave.

Experts have suggested that the recent surge in infection levels in the UK is owing to a number of factors, including the lifting of Covid restrictions to various degrees across the UK, changes in behaviour, waning immunity after the booster programme and – crucially – the rise of the BA.2 variant, which appears to be more transmissible than the earlier form of Omicron.

“The percentage of people with infections compatible with the Omicron BA.2 variant increased in England, Wales and Scotland and decreased in Northern Ireland,” the ONS report states.

Previous ONS figures have suggested that Northern Ireland experienced a rise in BA.2 before other parts of the UK.

On Friday, the UK Health Security Agency reported that cases of the BA.2 Omicron variant were increasing 75% faster than the original variant, BA.1, and now made up almost 89% of Covid infections sequenced in England. There is no evidence that BA.2 causes a greater risk of hospitalisation.

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300. "03/29/2022 - Boosters"
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https://www.timesofisrael.com/study-indicates-4th-shots-were-key-to-saving-lives-among-over-60s-in-omicron-wave/

Research by Clalit, not yet peer-reviewed, shows just one fully-boosted elderly Israeli died for every five un-boosted – raising question of how many could have been saved globally

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New Israeli research indicates fourth shots of the Pfizer–BioNTech coronavirus vaccine significantly curtailed deaths in Israel’s older population during the Omicron wave.

It also raises the question of how many lives may have been lost due to the world’s slow adoption of fourth shots.

Israelis who topped up their triple-vaccine protection with a fourth shot of the vaccine reduced their chances of death by 78 percent, according to Clalit Health Services and Sapir College.

This was calculated by studying death rates among Israelis aged 60-plus who were four months after their third vaccine, over a 40-day period during the Omicron wave. For every five deaths among those who didn’t get a fourth shot, there was just one death among those who did.

The study, which has been published online but not yet peer-reviewed, comes three months after Israel went out on a limb internationally by introducing second boosters for the elderly, at-risk individuals and medical staff.

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Omicron subvariant BA.2 is now the dominant strain of Covid-19 in the US, CDC says

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/29/health/ba-2-dominant-us/index.html

The highly contagious Omicron subvariant BA.2 is now the dominant strain of Covid-19 in the United States, causing an estimated 54.9% of all new Covid-19 infections last week, according to new data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The hardest hit region continues to be the Northeast, where BA.2 is causing more than 70% of all cases. The South and Mountain West are seeing the fewest cases in the US. BA.2 is causing slightly more than one-third of infections in those regions.

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301. "CDC Green Lights 4th Dose Boosters For Most Americans Over 50"
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-green-lights-4th-dose-boosters-for-most-americans-over-50/ar-AAVD2vN

The CDC recommended additional booster shots for older adults in the US on Monday, hours after the FDA authorized the same.
The CDC said people over 50 with underlying medical conditions, and everyone over 65, may get a second boost.
Second boosts can be given with Moderna or Pfizer's vaccine, at least four months after a first booster.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has given the final OK for additional boosters to be administered to older adults in pharmacies and doctor's offices across the US.

On Tuesday afternoon, the CDC said it was updating its booster shot recommendations to allow:

people over 50 with underlying medical conditions that increase their COVID risk
and everyone over 65
to get a 4th dose of an mRNA vaccine, from either Pfizer or Moderna, at least four months after their first boost.

(Adults who received a primary vaccine and booster dose of Johnson & Johnson's vaccine at least four months ago can also get a second booster, but only with Pfizer or Moderna product.)

Before today, only certain immunocompromised individuals could get an additional booster shot. The new CDC recommendations allow immunocompromised patients to also have another booster.

"Boosters are safe, and people over the age of 50 can now get an additional booster four months after their prior dose to increase their protection further," CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said in a statement. "This is especially important for those 65 and older and those 50 and older with underlying medical conditions that increase their risk for severe disease from COVID-19, as they are the most likely to benefit from receiving an additional booster dose at this time."

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302. "04/02/2022 - Records in the UK - and the US"
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Record-breaking 4.9m people in UK sick with Covid - up 600,000 cases in a week

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-record-breaking-49m-people-26611055

A record 4.9 million people in the UK are estimated to have had Covid-19 in the week ending March 26, up from 4.3 million in the previous week, the Office for National Statistics said.

Only a month after Covid restrictions ended in the UK, the number of Covid cases has soared, rising by around 600,000 cases in a week.

The ONS released the figures for the end of March showing that the virus infection rates had reached an all time high.

The figures come near to exactly one calendar month from when all Covid restrictions were lifted on February 24.

The government has come under fire in recent weeks for scrapping universal free testing of Covid-19.
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Covid-19 hospitalizations hit a pandemic low in the US, but strain on hospitals persists

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/01/health/covid-hospitalizations-us-low/index.html

Fewer people are hospitalized with Covid-19 in the United States now than at any other point in the pandemic, but hospitals and staff continue to feel the strain.

As of Friday, there are 16,138 people in the hospital with Covid-19 -- fewer than there have ever been since the US Department of Health and Human Services first started tracking in July 2020. Just 2% of hospital beds are currently in use for Covid-19 patients.
Previously, the lowest point was in late June 2021, just before Delta became the dominant variant in the country. Covid-19 hospitalizations reached a peak in January 2022 amid the Omicron surge, when more than 160,000 people were hospitalized with Covid-19 at one time.

While the strain on the US hospital system directly related to treating Covid-19 patients has been significantly reduced, experts say that many hospitals are still burdened by staffing shortages and other patients who are coming in sicker after postponing care during the height of the pandemic.

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And for the VAX deniers we have 2 stories:

#1: Myocarditis risk higher after Covid infection than Pfizer or Moderna vaccination, CDC finds
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/01/myocarditis-risk-higher-after-covid-infection-than-vaccination-cdc-finds.html

People infected with Covid-19 face a higher risk of myocarditis and other inflammatory heart conditions than those vaccinated against the disease, according a large study published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Friday.


#2:Ivermectin Does Not Reduce Risk of Covid Hospitalization, Large Study Finds
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/30/health/covid-ivermectin-hospitalization.html

“At some point it will become a waste of resources to continue studying an unpromising approach,” one expert said.

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303. "04/08/2022 - remember when MILLIONS of people got covid every day? Gues ..."
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COVID spending bill stalls in Senate as GOP, Dems stalemate
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/califoria/story/2022-04-06/covid-spending-bill-stalls-in-senate-as-gop-dems-stalemate

Read it, but the short part is: Republicans will not authorize money to send COVID vaccines to other countries AND they will not spend ANY money (not a single penny) that isn't cut from another part of the budget.

Coming this summer and fall: GOP blames Biden for not doing enough.

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U.S. court reinstates Biden federal employee COVID vaccine mandate
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-court-reinstates-biden-federal-employee-covid-vaccine-mandate-2022-04-07/

WASHINGTON, April 7 (Reuters) - A U.S. appeals court panel on Thursday reinstated President Joe Biden's executive order mandating that federal civilian employees be vaccinated against COVID-19.

By a 2-1 vote, the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals lifted an injunction issued by a U.S. district judge in Texas in January that had blocked enforcement of the federal employee vaccine mandate. Biden said in September he would require about 3.5 million government workers to get vaccinated by Nov. 22, barring a religious or medical accommodation, or face discipline or firing.

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A bunch of folks got Covid at the capitol
Pelosi- https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-07/u-s-house-speaker-pelosi-tests-positive-for-covid-19-l1p4ty04

Warnaock - https://thehill.com/news/senate/3262271-sen-warnock-tests-positive-for-covid-19/

Collins - https://www.pressherald.com/2022/04/07/sen-susan-collins-of-maine-tests-positive-for-covid-19-2/



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304. "04/13//2022"
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Pfizer May Have Omicron-Optimized Covid Vaccine Ready By Fall, CEO Says
https://www.forbes.com/sites/masonbissada/2022/04/13/pfizer-may-have-omicron-optimized-covid-vaccine-ready-by-fall-ceo-says/?sh=1c7ee20f71bf

Seems a little too late??

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BA.2 now represents of 86% of sequenced new cases, almost completely displacing the earlier version of omicron that fueled the unprecedented winter surge.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/13/covid-outbreaks-in-new-york-and-dc-infect-senior-officials-as-omicron-bapoint2-variant-sweeps-the-us.html

BA.2 now represents of 86% of sequenced new cases, almost completely displacing the earlier version of omicron that fueled the unprecedented winter surge.

The U.S. reported more than 30,000 new infections on Monday, a 20% increase over the previous week, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Outbreaks in New York City and Washington, D.C., have resulted in senior government officials testing positive.

White House chief medical advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci he doesn’t expect the U.S. to see a significant increase in hospitalizations and deaths.

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WHO says omicron variant now accounts for 99.2% of global COVID cases and warns that people are still developing severe disease and dying

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/who-says-omicron-variant-now-accounts-for-99-2-of-global-covid-cases-and-warns-that-people-are-still-getting-severe-disease-and-dying-11649860061

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305. "Vice President Harris tests positive"
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Is isolating. Glad we aren't seeing a steep uptick in deaths at this point.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/26/kamala-harris-tests-positive-covid/

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The US is out of the Covid-19 pandemic phase, Fauci says
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/27/health/fauci-covid-pandemic-phase/index.html

The United States is out of the Covid-19 pandemic phase, said Dr. Anthony Fauci, President Joe Biden's chief medical adviser and the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

"We are certainly, right now, in this country, out of the pandemic phase," Fauci said on PBS NewsHour Tuesday.
"Namely, we don't have 900,000 new infections a day and tens and tens and tens of thousands of hospitalizations and thousands of deaths. We are at a low level right now. So, if you're saying are we out of the pandemic phase in this country? We are," he said.

...

"Pandemic means a widespread, throughout the world infection that spreads rapidly among people," Fauci said. "So, if you look at the global situation, there is no doubt this pandemic is still ongoing."

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Coronavirus has infected majority of Americans, blood tests indicate
But officials caution that people should not presume they have protection against the virus going forward

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/04/26/majority-americans-coronavirus-infections/

Before omicron, one-third of Americans had been infected with the coronavirus, but by the end of February, that rate had climbed to nearly 60 percent, including 3 out of 4 children, according to federal health data released Tuesday.

The data from blood tests offers the first evidence that over half the U.S. population, roughly 190 million people, has been infected at least once since the pandemic began. That is more than double the official case count. Many of those infections are likely to have been asymptomatic or with few symptoms. The virus has killed nearly 1 million Americans and caused disruptions that have driven up death rates from other causes, including cancer and heart disease.

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‘It's insanity’: Providers end Covid care for uninsured in the wake of congressional inaction

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/27/providers-end-covid-care-uninsured-congression-inaction-00027988

Community Health Development, a Texas clinic, announced it is cutting back Covid-19 care for uninsured patients after federal pandemic funding for testing, treatment and vaccines ran out in recent weeks.

The health center in Uvalde, about 60 miles from the Mexican border, serves a population that is majority Hispanic and uninsured. It now offers free Covid-19 vaccines one day a week instead of six. It has restricted testing and may have to eliminate services, increase patient fees or even lay off staff if Congress doesn’t soon approve additional Covid money.

“We can’t spend money like the government can. We have to make it with what we have,” said Mayela Castañon, the health center’s CEO. “Hopefully Congress will stop fighting and think about what we’re going through.”

The cuts at the not-for-profit clinic, which serves about 11,000 patients, are just one example of how Covid-19 programs around the country have shrunk over the last month, a consequence of Congress’ failure to provide fresh funding to combat the pandemic.

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307. "Hurray for endemics !!"
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308. "Pandemic for the rest of the world though"
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Comes right back if next variant is immune response evasive.

I was at the grocery store last night and 2 employees, myself and one customer were the only ones masked. Probably 60 folks in there unmasked.

We have a 2.7% positivity rate in San Diego - so there's something like an 89% chance someone in there had covid.

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309. "They have to rip this mask and gloves off me."
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This stat is crazy:

Before omicron, one-third of Americans had been infected with the coronavirus, but by the end of February, that rate had climbed to nearly 60 percent, including 3 out of 4 children, according to federal health data released Tuesday.

Over 60% is well over 160 million people! Pandemic is far from over

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310. "vaccinated were 4 in 10 deaths in Jan and Feb"
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https://twitter.com/cynthiaccox/status/1517571721636810753


This admin wanting to move on and declare victory is just.as.bad as when the previous admin wanted to do it.

Putting your team's political success over the safety of people is wrong no matter who does it.


"get vaxxed and smile" is not enough. It is not effective or good policy.

And as immunity wanes and variants pop off, it is dangerous.


It is a pandemic here and everywhere.

Its just the admin doesn't want to talk about it anymore.


The vaccine is simply not the fix they sold it, and continue to sell it, as.

  

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311. "While it’s true that we were seeing higher deaths among those "
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vaccinated, scroll up in that thread for more context. The timing of Omicron with WAY more vaccinated cases along with a large chunk of people vaccinated way earlier with waning antibodies because they didn’t get boosted contributed to those vaccinated deaths:


Apr 22
6/🧵 Better uptake of boosters would've brought protection back up to pre-Omicron levels. Boosters prevent 94% of deaths.

Furthermore, reducing community spread through masks, ventilation, screening, etc. would save more lives -- including unvaccinated, vaccinated, and boosted.

  

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"You shouldn't be vaxxed and dying from COVID"


          


Period.

Especially with the admin selling the vaxx as the final and only solution they are providing.


Imagine playing this game with someone who actually lost a loved one to COVID.


The vaccines alone are not the answer, man.

An important step? Of course.


But we need more. And its okay to expect more of Democrats just like we expect more of Republicans.





  

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336. "You shouldn't be vaxxed and dying from COVID"
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Period.

Especially with the admin selling the vaxx as the final and only solution they are providing.


Imagine playing this game with someone who actually lost a loved one to COVID.


The vaccines alone are not the answer, man.

An important step? Of course.


But we need more. And its okay to expect more of Democrats just like we expect more of Republicans.





  

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312. "WTF? Did you even read the thread you are reposting??"
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>The vaccine is simply not the fix they sold it, and continue
>to sell it, as.

From the thread you referenced:

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3/🧵 One reason we're seeing vaccinated people represent a larger share of covid deaths?

Vaccinated people also represent a larger share of the population.

If 100% of people were vaccinated, 100% of deaths would be among vaccinated people.

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4/🧵 Vaccination rates grew slowly in Fall 2021 yet the share of deaths among vaxxed people continued to rise

This is partly due to waning immunity over time

Most vaxxed people dying of covid were older/higher-risk and were vaccinated months earlier

Hence the need for boosters
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6/🧵 Better uptake of boosters would've brought protection back up to pre-Omicron levels. Boosters prevent 94% of deaths.

Furthermore, reducing community spread through masks, ventilation, screening, etc. would save more lives -- including unvaccinated, vaccinated, and boosted.

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AND SHE EVEN POSTED THIS:
8/🧵 Note: The above tweet is the seventh in a thread (“7/🧵”) so, folks might want to scroll up and read the other six tweets above it before saying it lacks context.
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If you're saying the administration hasn't pointed out the need to change, for boosters and to remain vigilant.

>Its just the admin doesn't want to talk about it anymore.

They fucking talk about it all the fucking time.

I don't get you.

>This admin wanting to move on and declare victory is just.as.bad as when the previous admin wanted to do it.

Oh, I get you just fine. BOTH SIDES are the same.

Lie.

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313. "^^^^^^^^^ exactly"
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On top of all that, it’s not like Fauci/Biden are doing a victory lap. Fauci specifically said that all this could quickly change.

  

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314. "What % of current “Covid deaths” are deaths FROM covid"
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As opposed to with it?

I don’t mean to sound wacky but that’s been hard to parse for me.Anybody know more about this?

*edit* googling this, I guess it’s a high percentage.

I did dig into the percentage of total deaths that “Covid deaths” comprise….this number has gone from 75% at the peak to around 20% where it is now…



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316. "https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/covid-19.htm"
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https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf

Certifying deaths due to COVID–19
If COVID–19 played a role in the death, this condition should
be specified on the death certificate. In many cases, it is
likely that it will be the UCOD, as it can lead to various lifethreatening conditions, such as pneumonia and acute respiratory
distress syndrome (ARDS). In these cases, COVID–19 should
be reported on the lowest line used in Part I with the other
conditions to which it gave rise listed on the lines above it.
Generally, it is best to avoid abbreviations and acronyms, but
COVID–19 is unambiguous, so it is acceptable to report on the
death certificate.

In some cases, survival from COVID–19 can be complicated by
pre-existing chronic conditions, especially those that result in
diminished lung capacity, such as chronic obstructive pulmonary
disease (COPD) or asthma. These medical conditions do not
cause COVID–19, but can increase the risk of contracting a
respiratory infection and death, so these conditions should be
reported in Part II and not in Part I.
When determining whether COVID–19 played a role in the
cause of death, follow the CDC clinical criteria for evaluating
a person under investigation for COVID–19 and, where
possible, conduct appropriate laboratory testing using guidance
provided by CDC or local health authorities. More information
on CDC recommendations for reporting, testing, and specimen
collection, including postmortem testing, is available from:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/testing.html
and https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/guidancepostmortem-specimens.html. It is important to remember that
death certificate reporting may not meet mandatory reporting
requirements for reportable diseases; contact the local health
department regarding regulations specific to the jurisdiction.
In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot
be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances
are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it
is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as
“probable” or “presumed.” In these instances, certifiers should
use their best clinical judgement in determining if a COVID–19
infection was likely. However, please note that testing for
COVID–19 should be conducted whenever possible.


For more guidance and training on cause-of-death reporting
in general, see the Cause of Death mobile app available
from: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/mobile-app.htm and the
Improving Cause of Death Reporting online training module
available from: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/improving_
cause_of_death_reporting.htm (free Continuing Medical
Education credits and Continuing Nursing Education credits
available). For current information on the COVID–19 outbreak,
see the CDC website at: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-
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335. "Yes. Bottom line is the vaccines alone are not the answer"
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No matter how much the admin pretends they are...and no matter how badly you want to believe them...they are not the answer alone.


There is absolutely no way that "vaccinated but died" is the solution ya'll are looking for or would be accepting under a different regime.


I'm not "both side are the same" by any stretch.


I'm just not a "oh its our side? lets look at the bright side now" guy like ya'll.


Your Uncle Joe went from "If you get the COVID vaccine you will not get COVID and you will not spread COVID" to "well....getting the vax makes you LESS LIKELY TO DIE" with the quickness.


You can still catch COVID.

You can still spread COVID.

You can still DIE FROM COVID.

And if you are immunocompromised, its like you didn't get vaxxed at all.


The vaccines are a step...it is not the final answer.


Biden admin wants to pretend vaccines are the final answer for the same reason the Trump admin wanted to pretend COVID didn't exist.


I'm vaxxed and double boosted now. I am grateful for that layer of protection.


But...a vaccine that does not stop spread....that wanes within months...etc....is not the answer.


Pretending that it is because the guy you voted for is saying it isn't right.


Both sides aren't the same by any stretch.


But blindly dickriding anything your side says is wrong no matter who it is.


  

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315. "05/02/2022 - San Diego updates"
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I work for a hospital and this is what they said this week:

Current Leading Indicators and Forecast
Volume of Emergency Department (ED) Encounters: COVID-19 visits to the EDs represented approximately 25% of all visits over the past week, up from 20% last week.

Rolling Seven-Day COVID-19 Testing Positivity Rate: The rolling seven-day average rate is at 8.0% today. This is up from a recent low of 2.0% on March 29 and up from 5.9% last week.

Current R-Effective in San Diego: The effective reproduction number, or R-effective, is the average number of people each infected person will spread the virus to and represents the rate at which COVID-19 is spreading. The current ensemble estimate of R-eff for San Diego is approximately 1.10 (relatively flat from last week’s 1.14), indicating the spread of COVID-19 is still increasing in the community.

Wastewater Surveillance
The San Diego Epidemiology and Research for COVID Health (SEARCH) organization, has been monitoring the virus concentration in wastewater for nearly a year. The rate of COVID-19 in wastewater has continued to rise in recent weeks and is dominated by BA.2.X.

California Department of Public Health (CDPH) Summary of Current Statewide COVID-19 Considerations:
• Case rates and test positivity rates are increasing.
• BA.2 is the dominant sublineage in California and the U.S.
• BA.2.12.1 is increasing — estimated to be responsible for 23 to 29% of cases and more transmissible than BA.2.
• Serologic evidence of infection increased substantially during the omicron surge.
• Increasing case and wastewater trends are evident in California.
o The Pueblo San Diego Watershed in Point Loma is still showing logorithmic growth, with BA.2.X increases in prevelance.
• Hospital admissions, census and percentage of COVID-positive patients currently remain low.
• BA.2.12.1 is emerging and likely to reach predominance in California soon.
• BA.4 and BA.5 are emerging in South Africa, but are not yet common in the U.S.
• BA.2.12.1 and BA.4/5 may be driving increased transmission in New York and South Africa, respectively.
• Initial BA.4 and BA.5 cases have been detected in California.
• It is unknown how BA.4/5 and BA.2.12.1 compete, but BA.2.12.1 is far more common in California and the U.S. at the moment.
• BA.2.12.1 and BA.4/5 have mutations of concern, but it is unkown at this time if severity or immune invasion are enhanced.
CDC

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317. "05/03/2022 "
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Birx says US must prepare for summer COVID surge as immunity wanes
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/3473217-birx-says-us-must-prepare-for-summer-covid-surge-as-immunity-wanes/

They’re on an upslope again,” Birx said of South Africa’s infections on CBS’s “Face the Nation.”

“Each of these surges are about four to six months apart. That tells me that natural immunity wanes enough in the general population after four to six months that a significant surge is going to occur again. And this is what we have to be prepared for in this country,” she added.

Birx specifically warned Americans should be “preparing right now for a potential surge in this summer across the southern United States.”

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NYC Raises COVID Alert Level as New Cases Surpass Key Threshold; Manhattan Fuels Jump
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/nyc-raises-covid-alert-level-as-new-cases-surpass-key-threshold-what-to-know/3671167/

New York City raised its COVID alert level to medium on Monday as cases surpassed a rate of 200 per 100,000 people in the five boroughs, health officials said. It marks the first time the health department has adjusted that level since debuting the new system under Mayor Eric Adams' administration earlier this year.

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COVID-19: Omicron variant did not wipe out Delta, it could return - study

https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/coronavirus/article-705669
Don’t throw away your unused face masks yet. COVID-19’s Omicron variants may burn themselves out in the next couple of months, and the Delta variant might re-emerge, researchers at Beersheba’s Ben-Gurion University of the Negev (BGU) suggest in a new scientific paper.




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318. "Let's see what the numbers do between Memorial Day and 4th of July"
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Still masked and sanitized, and wary of being out too much with too many people. Our family has dodged it so fart and aim to keep at it if at all possible.

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319. "RE: 05/03/2022 "
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I watch the CDC charts almost everyday and we're going up in cases and hospitalizations. Deaths stay relatively low, but that doesn't account for folks dealing with the nasty after affects nor does it acknowledge that many aren't even getting tested anymore/not reporting positive cases.

I'm out here MF DOOMing it.

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320. "I have a private theatre rental on Sunday"
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20 folks coming. All will do a rapid test that morning, but I'm still a little nervous about it.

A full 10% of the folks I invited dropped out due to catching CVOID.

These are people who are vaxxed and masked.

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321. "I think I'm going to wait on this movie..."
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I assume you're catching Dr. Strange 2. I'm gonna see it when the crowd dies down and probably see in off-hours. Saw that Michelle Yeoh joint last night and saw at an indie theatre and avoided getting popcorn to keep that mask on.

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322. "05/06/2022"
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Note:This is still undergoing peer review

Omicron as severe as other COVID variants -large U.S. study
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/omicron-severe-previous-covid-variants-large-study-finds-2022-05-05/

May 5 (Reuters) - The Omicron variant of the SARS-CoV2 virus is intrinsically as severe as previous variants, according to a preprint version of a large U.S. study that counters assumptions in other studies that it was more transmissible but less severe.

The findings, which estimated Omicron's severity after accounting for the impact of vaccines, should reinforce the importance of inoculations and booster shots, experts said. Vaccines helped keep hospitalizations and deaths relatively low during the Omicron surge compared with previous variants.

The study, which is undergoing peer review at Nature Portfolio, was posted on Research Square on May 2. The authors, from Massachusetts General Hospital, Minerva University and Harvard Medical School, declined to comment until peer review is completed.

"We found that the risks of hospitalization and mortality were nearly identical" between the Omicron era and times in the past two years when different variants were dominant, the researchers said in their report.

The new study, based on records of 130,000 COVID patients in Massachusetts, is unique and "pretty strong," said Dr. Arjun Venkatesh of Yale School of Medicine and the Yale Center for Outcomes Research and Evaluation, who was not involved in the research.

Rather than just looking at numbers of deaths and hospitalizations, as earlier studies have done, it accounted for patients' vaccination status and medical risk factors and compared similar groups of people, Venkatesh said.

The authors cited potential limitations in their report, including the possibility that the analysis underestimated the number of vaccinated patients in more recent COVID waves, and the total number of infections, because it excluded patients who performed at-home rapid tests.

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https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/coronavirus/2022/05/06/nj-covid-cases-hospitalizations-rise-no-mask-mandates-travel/9657350002/

COVID hospitalizations rising again in NJ amid busy spring travel and end of mask mandates


COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations are rising once again in New Jersey following Easter and Passover gatherings and a busy spring break travel season, some of which occurred without a federal mask mandate.

The numbers are above "moderate" projections that had been issued by the state Department of Health in mid-April, but hospitalizations fall far short of the agency's worst-case scenario.

Public health officials said that while the virus' BA.2 variant continues to spread rapidly this spring, it's not causing anywhere near the severe outcomes that the delta and omicron variants did in the past year.

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323. "05/07/2022- coming back strong!"
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U.S. Records More Than 100,000 New COVID-19 Cases in a Day
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2022-05-05/u-s-records-more-than-100-000-new-covid-19-cases-in-a-day

It marks the first time since February that daily coronavirus cases topped 100,000 and comes as a new omicron subvariant is spreading.

It marks the first time since February that daily infections topped 100,000. The last time daily deaths reached this level was early March.

The seven-day averages of cases and deaths, however, are considerably lower. The U.S. is averaging more than 68,000 new cases and over 700 deaths per day, according to the data from Johns Hopkins University.

Experts tend to track averages as daily reporting across states can vary. Still, new case averages show that infections are up considerably from 26,000 per day in early April.

The majority of states are reporting increasing coronavirus cases. Meanwhile, a new and highly transmissible omicron subvariant was responsible for more than 36% of infections last week, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Cases of BA.2.12.1 are up from nearly 27% of cases two weeks ago and 17% of infections the week before that.

While BA.2, or “stealth omicron,” is still the dominant omicron subvariant circulating at 62% of cases, its proportion has decreased in recent weeks.

BA.2.12.1 is believed to be 25% more transmissible than BA.2, according to CDC Director Rochelle Walensky. Its severity and effect on vaccines is still unknown.
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South Africa Covid positivity rate nears record amid Omicron spread
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/south-africa-covid-positivity-rate-nears-record-amid-omicron-spread-101651968463687.html

South Africa’s daily coronavirus test positivity rate neared a record, rising above 30% on Saturday for the first time in almost five months as two sublineages of the omicron variant spread rapidly ahead of the nation’s winter season.

There were 8,524 new Covid-19 cases identified, representing a 31.1% positivity rate of those tested, the National Institute for Communicable Diseases said in a statement on its website. That’s the highest rate since the 32.2% recorded on Dec. 15, when a record 26,976 cases were recorded. The surge means South Africa is close to its highest positivity rate yet. The record so far was 34.9% on Dec. 14.
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324. "05/16/2022 - 1 million"
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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/05/13/us/covid-deaths-us-one-million.html

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325. "RE: 05/16/2022 - 1 million"
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Young, ......

I just got he 2nd booster and that bad boy put me down for a good 20 hours. First of the shots to really affect me. Glad I did it.

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326. "Pfizer or Moderna?"
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I’ve had Pfizer through all three of my shots, need to get a second booster now and trying to decide if I should switch to Moderna for more diverse immunity.

  

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327. "RE: Pfizer or Moderna?"
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All Moderna.

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328. "Cool. Yeah I need to figure out the proper timing. I have some"
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travel coming up so I want to get my second boost. But If there's a new vaccine available in the fall I want to be able to get that upgraded immunity...

  

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329. "11/24/2021 - 05/24/2021 Six month-aversery!"
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Anecdotal data:
3 people I know got COVID in the last month.

Also: Went to REI yesterday and it was packed. I was *THE ONLY PERSON* wearing a mask. At bougie, liberal REI in San Diego, CA.

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Three Pfizer Shots 80% Effective Against Omicron in Toddlers, Trial Data Shows

https://www.the74million.org/article/three-pfizer-shots-80-effective-against-omicron-in-toddlers-trial-data-show/

Pfizer-BioNTech’s new three-dose coronavirus vaccine for children under 5 years old is 80% effective at staving off infection, including from the Omicron variant, the companies announced Monday.

It’s a major boost in efficacy compared to data from Moderna, which announced in March that its two-dose regimen is 51% protective in toddlers 6 months to 2 years old and 37% protective in youngsters 3 to 6 years old.
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Summer COVID-19 outbreak begins to take hold in Ga. but case numbers misleading

https://www.ajc.com/news/coronavirus/summer-covid-19-outbreak-begins-to-take-hold-in-ga-but-case-numbers-misleading/LULU2X4N5JAYTHVLXKSQPD56WI/

Health experts estimate COVID infections could be five to ten times more than what’s confirmed by state health officials

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330. "RE: 11/24/2021 - 05/24/2021 Six month-aversery!"
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Father in law just got positived for the first time and is out of work for the requisite 5 day period. He's a teacher so I guess it might have been a matter of time. I'm bracing for a potential surge of positives after Memorial Day weekend.... and then Juneteenth .... and then July 4th.

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331. "05/29/2022 - Covid cases over 100,000 and you won't see masks (almost)"
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Reminder: Over 2,000 people died frm COVID this week alone.

Covid was vanishing last Memorial Day. Cases are five times higher now.
https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2022/05/28/covid-was-vanishing-last-memorial-day-cases-are-five-times-higher-now/

For the third year, Americans are greeting the unofficial start of summer shadowed by the specter of the coronavirus amid rising covid-19 cases and hospitalizations across the country.

The United States is recording more than 100,000 infections a day - at least five times higher than this point last year - as it confronts the most transmissible versions of the virus yet. Immunity built up as a result of the record winter outbreak appears to provide little protection against the latest variants, new research shows. And public health authorities are bracing for Memorial Day gatherings to fuel another bump in cases, potentially seeding a summer surge.

It’s a far cry from a year ago, with predictions of a “hot vax summer” uninhibited by covid concerns. Back then, coronavirus seemed to teeter on the brink of defeat as cases plummeted to their lowest levels since spring 2020 and vaccines became widely available for adults. Even the vaccinated and boosted now grudgingly accept the virus as a formidable foe that’s here to stay as governments abandon measures to contain it.

As the virus morphs and the scientific understanding of how it operates shifts with each variant, Americans are drawing their own lines for what they feel comfortable doing.

“This time last year, I was so hopeful,” said Margaret Thornton, a 35-year-old Philadelphia researcher preparing to spend her summer socializing mostly outdoors because of her weakened immune system. “Now, I don’t know when it’s going to be over, and I don’t think there is necessarily a light at the end of the tunnel. Or rather, if there is a light, is it an opening to get out? Or is it a train?”

Parents of children too young to be vaccinated are making cross-country travel plans. Octogenarians are venturing to bars. And families are celebrating graduations and weddings with throngs of mostly unmasked revelers - mindful they may get sick. Again.

More than half of the U.S. population is living in areas classified as having medium or high covid-19 levels by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The latest cases have yet to overrun hospitals, but that could change as the virus spreads among more vulnerable people. The dominant strains circulating in the United States are the most contagious thus far.

“This one is really revved up, and it’s probably getting up there with something as transmissible as measles,” said Peter Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College, describing the BA.2.12.1 subvariant now accounting for more than half of new cases. “Over the Memorial Day holidays, if you are in settings where you are indoors with large numbers of people without masks . . . there is a good likelihood you will suffer a breakthrough infection.”

Experts had hoped that the explosion of the omicron variant this winter, estimated to have infected a quarter of Americans who hadn’t already been infected, and the subsequent spring wave of omicron’s even more transmissible subvariants, would provide a buffer against future surges.

But an emerging body of research suggests those infections will not confer lasting protection as the virus’s latest iterations show remarkable ability to escape immunity. Experts say the recently infected who also received booster shots can count on at least several months of immunity, while the unvaccinated should expect little protection.

“You should not think, ‘Oh, I had omicron, I don’t need any shots’ or ‘I don’t need any more shots,’” said Melanie Ott, director of the Gladstone Institute of Virology and a co-author of a paper recently published in Nature finding limited natural immunity from the omicron variant. “We are going into a surge of the omicron subvariants that are more and more able to infect people who have preexisting immunity.”

Experts say vaccines are still showing durability in protecting people against severe illness. But the initial burst of antibodies from shots or infections fades after several months, said Celine Gounder, an infectious-diseases specialist and senior fellow at Kaiser Health News. That means the virus can develop into an infection before the body’s immune system kicks in.

Burhan Yardimci, his wife and their three young children - who had all contracted coronavirus in February - joined thousands of Turkish Americans on Madison Avenue recently for the return of New York’s annual Turkish Day Parade, canceled the last two years because of the pandemic. The next day, the family stood among another crowd of thousands for the Celebrate Israel Parade.

Yardimci doesn’t take much solace in his recent infection as an extra layer of protection. He thought his booster shot would stop infections, but he knows people who’ve had the virus three times. Because no one in his family became seriously ill, he doesn’t see the need to upend his life when everyone around him appears to be carrying on as normal.

“Hopefully, we’ll never get it again,” said Yardimci, 42.

In the Boston suburbs, Mandy Boyd found herself humbled by coronavirus after getting infected twice in five months: during the massive omicron wave in January, and again in May after attending a 150-person indoor wedding. Neither case was severe.

The experience left the 35-year-old health technology worker reassessing how to protect her 4- and 6-year-old children from infections that would disrupt their schooling or summer camp. She still plans to dine out and go to the gym, but her family will wear masks on their flight to Seattle for an upcoming vacation as well as when they watch a WNBA game while there. She worries about passing on a future variant to her children, even if her short-term immunity protects her from getting sick.

“We’re in a strange spot because it turned into a much more minor virus,” said Boyd of Swampscott, Mass. “From that perspective, I don’t see that the world should stop or schools should close.”

Graduations, proms and weddings have also returned after being canceled in earlier stages of the pandemic when cases were lower than they are now.

Adeline Rosales, 26, was among the hundreds of California State University Long Beach students in caps and gowns flooding into Angel Stadium in Anaheim on a recent morning. It was her first encounter with some classmates in the College of Health and Human Services who were only familiar as faces on a computer screen during virtual class. She felt comfortable marching alongside them through a tunnel and onto the field knowing the university required vaccines and booster shots. And it was important for her relatives to celebrate the occasion with her because she is the first in the family to graduate college.

But to avoid graduation crowds, she said the family waited several days for their celebratory dinner because they were “a little scared” as infections rose and Los Angeles County moved from a low to medium covid-19 risk level. Rosales lives with her parents, both of whom have preexisting conditions, and six other relatives.

“I don’t want to risk it at this point,” Rosales said. “We’re just trying to be as respectful to my parents as possible.”

For most Americans, coronavirus has faded from the foreground.

More than half say they are not too concerned or not at all concerned with coronavirus, according to a May survey by Monmouth University.

Nearly three-quarters say they hope to vacation this summer and less than a third say coronavirus is a major factor in their plans, according to a recent Washington Post-Schar School poll. The Transportation Security Administration on Thursday reported screening more than half a million additional fliers a day compared with the same day last year.

Experts are paying close attention to the Southeast for a potential covid resurgence because the region did not experience as many cases in the spring as the Northeast, and rising temperatures are driving people indoors.

Florida residents are bracing for the return of another summer surge in sharply different ways.

For Jeff Schulte, a 63-year-old retiree, coronavirus has never really gone away, and he sees no reason to change his behavior for an omnipresent threat. He is not planning on masking, social distancing or getting booster shots this summer.

“For the rest of our lives, it’s here,” he said while smoking a cigarette outside the library in downtown Sarasota. “It’s going to catch every one of us.”

To the north near Tampa, Rick Kilby, 57, donned a KN95 mask as he hawked his book about the Victorian-era belief in the healing properties of Florida springs at Floridania Fest in a Gulfport casino ballroom. Mostly unmasked attendees snaked past his table, conveniently situated near an open door that brought in fresh air.

He’s not worried about getting seriously ill after a second booster shot. But after hearing about five vaccinated friends getting infected in just two days, he does fret about having to cancel his upcoming trip to western Pennsylvania - the only vacation he had planned for the year.

“It’s not like it was two years ago where you are really concerned about going to the hospital and not getting out. Now, it’s more of a concern that this is going to be a real inconvenience to my schedule,” said Kilby, who lives in Orlando. “That’s the wonder of the vaccine. It made it from a life-threatening condition to one that’s really more like having a flu or cold or something.”

Others at the vintage Florida memorabilia festival feared worse consequences.

Patti Kane-Wood, 78, entered the expo wearing a blue surgical mask but felt uncomfortable by how attendees “were squeezed in there like sardines” and didn’t stay long. She has heard about more people getting covid in the last month than in the last two years. While she feels well-protected from getting her second booster dose, she worries about long-term complications after watching friends develop persistent breathing problems following their illnesses. A recent study found vaccines may offer little protection against most long-covid symptoms.

“If I catch covid, even the slightest case of covid, it’s possible I have long covid and have issues for the rest of my life,” Kane-Wood said. “I’m very afraid because people are very relaxed now and understandably so, but it’s not a time to let our guard down.”

Parents of young children are entering Memorial Day weekend frustrated that children younger than 5 remain the only group ineligible for vaccines. The prospect of regulators clearing shots by the end of June is becoming increasingly likely after Pfizer-BioNTech reported data showing their three-dose regimen proved 80 percent effective in preventing symptomatic infections in children 6 months to 4 years old.

In the meantime, parents are navigating how to protect their unvaccinated children when cases are rising and others are dropping their guards.

In Portland, Oregon, Jessica Poole said she is not taking her 5-year-old daughter, Lucía, and 3-year-old son, Max, to indoor play facilities, where Lucía would catch illnesses even before covid. She asks Lucía to wear a mask while she’s at prekindergarten. And the family isn’t planning any travel, because Max is too young to get vaccinated.

But Poole, 37, is not trying to avoid the virus at all costs.

“Whatever strain is going around now, you can’t be too terrified of it,” Poole said outside a CrossFit gym where she planned to work out without a mask on. “We need to live a normal life now.”

At a southeast Portland pub, George Cummings, 85, took a leap of faith as he joined his friends from a local mountaineering and climbing club for drinks. He knows he’s at a higher risk because of his age and wears a mask at the grocery store. He said he has not received a second booster shot because his doctor had not told him they were available.

He went maskless as he drank lemonade, ate a cheeseburger and mingled with a group of two dozen in the crowded bar.

“I’m not sure I’m 100 percent comfortable with my decision, but the alternative was not to go to the event,” said Cummings, who lives alone and had suspended his social life for the better part of two years.

“It’s almost a question of, do you want to live - and that includes some sort of social life for a human being - or am I going to hide in my basement?”

The Washington Post’s Jack Wright in New York, Yvonne Condes in Anaheim, Calif., and Doug Moser in Boston contributed to this report.

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332. "I avoided getting Covid this entire time. Positive test this morning. "
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Had flu symptoms last night, today I’m much better - just a runny nose. I’m hoping that due to being boosted last night was the worst of it.

The scariest thing was being cold all evening/afternoon, and going to being sweaty hot within 30 seconds. That was when I knew I must have it.

  

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333. "Lotta people I know getting it this week"
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haven't had it either (at least that I'm aware of) but gonna get a 3rd booster this week since the other 2 were j&j

  

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334. "Hoep you do okay - no shame"
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This current strain is so much more contagious than the O.G. strain.

I work for a hospital and we got an email on Friday saying we're back in the "substantial" tier.

If my cancer-survivor mother doesn't get it this weekend in Arizona it'll be a miracle.





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337. "Thanks - I’m doing great at the moment. Really the only bad "
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day was Saturday evening. But by yesterday morning (when I took the test) I was feeling much better. Even got in some basketball outside, and went for a walk - the fresh air really seemed to help. Woke up this morning feeling good as well. My wife and kids are all still negative with no symptoms as well.

  

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338. "Same thing happened to me today. I work in public education"
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so I guess it was only a matter of time until I got it - despite how safe I am. I’m just one of a very small minority of us here (including 1k+ students) who actually wears a mask. I’ve been overly safe this whole time bc my mother in law (RIP) had stage 4 cancer, my father in law is immuno-compromised, and my wife was pregnant with our now 3 month old son.

I started feeling a bit off yesterday - my body felt a bit weak and fatigued. I felt light grade chills at night. Nothing too bad. Today, I’ve had a low grade fever and a cough that’s been steadily picking up the past several hours. Im a little congested and my throat is itchy. I’m vaxxed and boosted. I’m 39, in great shape, and eat relatively healthy. Im a bit surprised by the slow onset of symptoms, but I’m sure I’ll be fine. All in all it feels like a low grade flu.

Thankfully my 3 kids - including my 3 month old - have tested negative. So too has my wife. We’ll keep testing them and I’ll quarantine. Inconvenient at the moment, but manageable.

  

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339. "06/09/2022 - Surge!"
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Anecdotal form me: My work had an All-Staff even scheduled outside where 15,000 employees were to attend over 2 days. Cancelled due to COVID surge.

I've heard from co-workers about a dozen cases among their friends/family.

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Moderna says new COVID-19 vaccine protects against omicron
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/moderna-says-new-covid-19-vaccine-protects-against-omicron

Moderna’s preliminary study results show people given the combination shot experienced a higher boost in omicron-fighting antibodies than if they just got a fourth dose of the original vaccine.

“We believe strongly that this data supports an update of the vaccine,” Dr. Stephen Hoge, Moderna’s president, said Wednesday.

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340. "06/27/2022 - HUGE surge (where I'm at)"
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Be careful. Mask up. Get vaxxed. If you get infected get a treatment like Paxlovid or bebtelovimab or sotrovimab.
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I got this email from my hospital system today:

While the current numbers are not as severe as past surges, we need to be cognizant that we are, indeed, in another surge. The COVID-19 testing positivity rate at XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX is currently at 22.5%, which is especially concerning. In addition, we have many team members who are out and the stress on the entire XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX team is significant.

Current Leading Indicators and Forecast
Volume of Emergency Department (ED) Encounters: COVID-19 visits to the EDs at XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX represented 30% of all visits over the past week, similar to last week. (See the attached Leading Indicators and Forecast Summary for graphs and more details.)

Rolling Seven-Day COVID-19 Testing Positivity Rate: While we look at both XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX overall and XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX separately, you will notice that the rolling seven-day average testing positivity rates have started to rise again. The XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX rolling seven-day average rate is at 22.5% today. This is up from a recent low of 2.0% on March 29 and an increase from 21.6% last week. (See the attached Leading Indicators and Forecast Summary for graphs and more details.)

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LA's hospitalizations are rising, although the trend for positive tests is slightly lower than last week.

https://xtown.la/2022/06/27/5-things-to-know-about-covid-los-angeles/


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342. "definitely a surge here too"
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after the last surge we went down to under 30 cases per day, we are now at 400 per day. not huge numbers yet but a big increase from 2 months ago. its been steady increasing since the beginning of may.

  

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343. "07/01/2022 - Omicron boosters proably coming"
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My work sent this out, going to swipe 1 line:

The XXXXXXXX rolling seven-day average rate is at 24% today. This is up from a recent low of 2.0% on March 29 and an increase from 22.5% last week.

The current ensemble estimate of R-eff for San Diego is approximately 1.10, an increase from last week’s R-eff of 0.76.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/06/30/omicron-vaccine-booster-fall/

This fall, vaccine makers will begin rolling out coronavirus booster vaccines better tailored to fight the current phase of the pandemic.

Two days after outside experts voted in favor of a new vaccine adapted to protect against omicron, the Food and Drug Administration announced that the fall shots would include a component from BA.4 and BA.5, the omicron subvariants gaining ground in the United States.

Kathrin Jansen, a Pfizer vaccine scientist, said this week that the vaccine could be delivered in early October.

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344. "Pulse oximeters and dark skin"
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As a lily white person I find home pulse oximeters do not work well on me at all - but in my case the underestimate oxygen saturation compared to one at the physicians office. In this case they are saying oximeters over estimate saturation when a person has dark skin.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/02/flawed-oxygen-readings-may-be-behind-covid-19s-heavy-toll-on-minorities-00043282

Doctors have sometimes failed to diagnose serious cases of Covid-19 among people of color — and the Food and Drug Administration acknowledges one reason may be flaws in devices it approved to measure blood oxygen levels.

Pulse oximeters can overestimate blood oxygen in people with dark skin, causing doctors to miss patients’ distress signals.

The FDA is convening an expert advisory panel later this year to assess the problem and offer guidance to health care providers. An agency spokesperson said it has prioritized assuring that pulse oximeters are “sufficiently safe and accurate for all people.” But advocates still say the FDA, which issued a warning about the issue last year, is moving too slowly.

“It’s really shocking that it was only until 2021 for the FDA to actually issue an alert,” said Uché Blackstock, an emergency medicine physician and CEO of Advancing Health Equity. “And even in that alert last year, they didn’t even mention racial bias or race or racism in it.”

The problem raises broader concerns about bias as technology becomes more embedded in health care, and about the government’s ability to counteract it through regulation and oversight. Experts warn that disparate outcomes among racial groups could get worse if technology doesn’t work for all patients.

Researchers identified problems with pulse oximeters years ago, with small studies pointing to misreadings in people of color in 1990, 2005 and 2007.

The Covid-19 pandemic brought renewed attention to the devices, which commonly come in the form of a sensor on a patient’s fingertip.

Michael Sjoding, a pulmonary and critical care physician at the University of Michigan, conducted a study published in December 2020 in the New England Journal of Medicine that found Black patients between January and July 2020 as well as 2014 and 2015 were about three times more likely than white ones to have low blood oxygen levels go undetected. More than one in 10 Black patients with an oxygen saturation reading of 92 to 96 percent on a pulse oximeter actually had levels below 88 percent when measured by blood tests.

Normal levels range from 95 to 100 percent, while levels below 88 percent are considered dangerous.

Experts also say the problem points to the need to update guidance to compensate for the problem, as well as to diversify clinical trials.

The effect on care is real, Sjoding said. “That level of difference, had it been recognized and detected, would have changed how we would care for a patient,” he explained. “You would give a patient more oxygen or potentially give a patient different treatments.”

Known and unknown
Experts say the flawed readings are the result of how light is absorbed on different skin shades. Pulse oximeters work by shooting light onto a person’s skin and observing how much bounces back, said Achuta Kadambi, an engineering professor at the University of California, Los Angeles.

Darker skin reflects back a smaller signal than lighter skin, which can corrupt the pulse oximeter’s reading, he said. Kadambi, who has darker skin, has encountered similar problems with automated soap dispensers, which also rely on light to activate.

“The laws of physics are against darker objects, which include skin,” Kadambi said, adding that algorithms are one way to correct the issue.

But the research findings so far have limitations because they haven’t all differentiated by the type of oximeter, said Amira Mohamed, a professor at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine. She also noted that generalizing by race can also be tricky.

“There are different types of Black people,” Mohamed said. “I’m Black myself and it doesn’t mean that it’s going to work the same way on me like it would for, for example, my husband, who’s a darker-skinned Black person.”

Mohamed also says that the existing research was conducted mostly on people with white skin and that future studies should focus on people more likely to be affected.

Potential solutions
Current FDA guidance recommends manufacturers’ studies include a minimum of 10 people and “at least 2 darkly pigmented subjects” or 15 percent of the overall group.

Some experts argue the FDA needs to make that pool larger.

“Fundamentally, you’re not going to have enough information about the accuracy of the device if you’re only testing it on two people,” said Sjoding.

More specific FDA guidance on oximeters is warranted, said Ashraf Fawzy, a professor of medicine at Johns Hopkins University and lead author of a May study published in JAMA Internal Medicine that found providers were more likely to underestimate the level of disease severity and delay treatment for Black and Hispanic Covid-19 patients.

Quicker action from the agency would have been helpful, Fawzy added. The FDA should consider adding a warning label on the devices, said Kimani Toussaint, a professor of engineering at Brown University who is working on potential fixes.

Some experts, like Blackstock, argue the oximeters should be pulled off the market. Others, such as Mohamed, say there needs to be significantly more research before any conclusions are drawn.

“If we are concerned about someone’s breathing or someone’s oxygen level, it’s not safe to completely rely on a pulse oximeter and we always need to confirm it,” Mohamed said.

And fixing the issue in the devices themselves could be a heavy lift.

The FDA spokesperson said it is seeking to broaden the available data on the problem by

funding a prospective clinical trial to inform any recommendation changes. It hopes that research can sort out “sometimes conflicting data that includes non-public information” that manufacturers have provided.

Meanwhile, researchers at Brown University are working on using a single wavelength of light to bypass the skin. That research on healthy patients is in the early stages and saw similar results to commercial devices. The inaccuracies tend to be more prevalent in sicker patients, said researcher Rutendo Jakachira, who works with Toussaint.

Scientists are also looking at using sound as a potential replacement for light as a new method of reading blood oxygen levels.

Clinical trial diversity
Meanwhile, with technology playing an ever-increasing role in health care, experts say that clinical trials, in which people of color have long been underrepresented, need an overhaul.

Lawmakers are aware of the issue. The House last month passed FDA medical product user fee legislation that included language aimed at bolstering clinical trial diversity.

Adrian Aguilera, the head of the Digital Health Equity and Access Lab at the University of California, Berkeley, said that absent diverse participants, the trial outcomes won’t necessarily reflect what will play out in the real world.

Trials are traditionally conducted in person, necessitating that participants come on-site, which can create barriers for low-income people or those with inflexible jobs. Advocates want to use telehealth to draw in a wider range of participants.

Companies should avoid “helicopter” research and instead take time to build relationships with community organizations and people on the ground, Aguilera said.

“What this pulse oximeter situation exemplifies is that if you’re not thinking about bias and racism from the beginning, and you’re not intentional about it, it’s going to be embedded in the technology,” Blackstock said.

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345. "07/05/2022 "
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Covid-19 reinfections may increase the likelihood of new health problems

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/05/health/covid-reinfection-risk/index.html

Tallying the risks of reinfections
Al-Aly and his team compared the health records of more than 250,000 people who had tested positive for Covid-19 one time with records from 38,000 others who had two or more Covid-19 infections documented in their medical records. More than 5.3 million people with no record of a Covid-19 infection were used as the control group.
Among those with reinfections, 36,000 people had two Covid-19 infections, roughly 2,200 had caught Covid-19 three times, and 246 had been infected four times.

Common new diagnoses after reinfections included chest pain, abnormal heart rhythms, heart attacks, inflammation of the heart muscle or the sac around the heart, heart failure and blood clots. Common lung issues included shortness of breath, low blood oxygen, lung disease, and accumulation of fluid around the lungs, Al-Aly said.
The study found that the risk of a new health problem was highest around the time of a Covid-19 reinfection, but it also persisted for at least six months. The increased risk was present whether or not someone had been vaccinated, and it was graded -- meaning it increased with each subsequent infection.
Al-Aly said that's not what people really think will happen when they get Covid a second or third time.
"There is this idea that if you had Covid before, your immune system is trained to recognize it and is more equipped to fight it, and if you're getting it again, maybe it doesn't affect you that much, but that's not really true," he said.


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New omicron subvariant BA.5 now a majority of US COVID-19 cases

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/3546412-new-omicron-subvariant-ba-5-now-a-majority-of-us-covid-19-cases/

BA.5 now makes up 53.6 percent of U.S. cases, according to the CDC, and BA.4 makes up another 16.5 percent, putting the two together at around 70 percent of infections.

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New York COVID cases rise 15% as omicron BA.5 subvariant spreads: Latest
https://www.lohud.com/story/news/2022/07/05/new-york-covid-cases-rise-omicron-ba-5-spreads/65366714007/

New York reported 41,642 new COVID-19 cases in the week ending Sunday. That's up from 36,317 cases the previous week.

New York ranked 21st among the states where coronavirus was spreading the fastest on a per-person basis, a USA TODAY Network analysis of Johns Hopkins University data shows.

Nationally, COVID-19 cases increased nearly 12% from the week before, with 800,077 cases reported. Across the country, 38 states had more cases in the latest week than they did in the week before.
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346. "my number got called, it got me..."
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Vaxxed, boosted, wear masks in public. Snuck up on me, man.
Thursday: Woke up 4ish and hit the gym. From the gym, I shot over to my favorite park and walked the 4 mile course. Went home, got ready for work. Worked the full day, no issues. Picked up some Qdoba on the way home. Got home, ate and chilled with my wife. Sometime before I went to bed, I started having a weak cough. I took some cough medicine, just because it was annoying and went to bed.

Friday: Woke up well before when my alarm was set for. Looked at my watch and it was barely 2am. I coughed...and it was THE most painful cough I can remember. Acute pain in the middle of my chest. It was a productive cough, too. Got out of bed and instantly took some cold and flu meds. I knew right then I wasn't going to the gym. A few more symptoms came on as the day progressed, but I went ahead and worked from home. Took a Covid test, just because...it was negative. Stayed pretty much the same for the rest of the day.

Saturday: Woke up and actually felt pretty decent. Figured I just had a summer cold and it was good. Took a nice shower, threw on some clothes and went and got some stuff from the store. That afternoon...things started deteriorating. By the evening, I knew it wasn't good. I went ahead and took another test and it was positive. I had a bunch of tests that I bought myself, plus the ones the government sent...so I took a 2nd one, a different style....positive. Luckily I had been isolating downstairs since early Friday morning. Saturday night was scary hours. 4 to 5 hours of pure misery. Headache, body aches, fever, nausea, painful cough. I was taking meds around the clock and took some nighttime Theraflu. I was hoping I could just fall asleep. When I was legit thinking I couldn't take this anymore, I fell asleep. Woke up about 6 am on Sunday and felt SO much better. Still sick, but manageable. Spent Sunday and Monday basically with a regular cold and alternating between being cold and sweating profusely. Wife and sons have all tested negative and basically they bring things down to me and set them at the door.

More than anything, I'm really just bummed out that I got it...but, I can't imagine the outcome had I not been vaxxed, because Saturday night had me wondering if I was gonna get over the hump, for real.

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347. "Dang! Sorry to hear that. Every time I cough or have a headache "
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I wonder if I should take a test. I need to stock up on test again because you’re the second fully vaccinated person in my orbit that tested positive in the past 30 days.

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349. "just placed my second order with the post office for 8 more...."
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one thing I will say about is to be mindful of the expiration dates. I copped some off Amazon and they only had like a month left before they expired, when I got em.

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357. "RE: Dang! Sorry to hear that. Every time I cough or have a headache "
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>I wonder if I should take a test. I need to stock up on test
>again because you’re the second fully vaccinated person in
>my orbit that tested positive in the past 30 days.

YES. I push on everyone I know to have a stack of tests at the house just in-case. Expiration dates are a real concern. Besides that, there’s some value to having some kind of guideline if you start feeling funny for a day or two.

  

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348. "Where do you *think* you got it?"
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I know you'll never be sure, but any guess where you got it?

It's way more contagious now than it used to be.

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350. "I've thought hard about it and..."
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if I'm being, honest...it's had to be the gym. Got caught slippin, with my mask down, to drink or something.

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351. "got me (and like 10 people in my family) recently too."
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FORTUNATELY it was mild for everyone.

biggest thing for me is something you mentioned: i was really sad/mad i got it because i was fucking careful for over 2 years and i really thought i'd never get it despite how much it's going around w/ these more contagious variants.

i felt like a bit of a failure. maybe that's weird, but it's really how i felt.

  

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354. "RE: got me (and like 10 people in my family) recently too."
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No, man I’m really glad you said that. There’s absolutely a psychological component to this. Like…I just feel like a sucker. Feel dirty.
>i felt like a bit of a failure. maybe that's weird, but it's
>really how i felt.

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358. "RE: got me (and like 10 people in my family) recently too."
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>FORTUNATELY it was mild for everyone.
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>biggest thing for me is something you mentioned: i was really
>sad/mad i got it because i was fucking careful for over 2
>years and i really thought i'd never get it despite how much
>it's going around w/ these more contagious variants.
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>i felt like a bit of a failure. maybe that's weird, but it's
>really how i felt.

You two should try to take it easier on yourselves. With the way this thing is going around, getting it is almost inevitable. I know people who are here, there and everywhere all the time and nada. I know people who have damn near been hiding under their beds for 2 and half years and their whole house have gotten it recently.

Hell, I just got it too. Tested positive yesterday after a couple of flu-type days and a negative test. And yeah, I went through a ‘yeah, this is my fault’ period because I’ve been traveling a lot this year. But hell, there’s no law saying I didn’t get it from the gym or the grocery sto right around the house. Or even the office, who isn’t exactly running a tight ship with making people test or even with keeping people out of the office after they test positive (it’s down to 1 week now). I THINK I got it on the trip I just took at some point but who knows!? And my wife doesn’t have it and she was there with me. That great! But how!? Who knows!?

And now I’m curled up isolated smelling like Vicks, staying hydrating, and looking at ‘treatment’ options with skepticism/lack of awareness. I keep seeing some IV options that seem interesting but IDK!

  

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352. "can someone educate me on reinfection?"
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(i trust y'all more than "the internet" for whatever reason)

i'm seeing all this varying information on reinfection. does anyone have a source of info that i can trust? i'm just seeing twitter talking heads saying it's serious/not serious and a bunch of random articles that people are then saying are full of misinformation.

maybe we really don't know anything and it's wait and see, i dunno.

  

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Common sense says "The less you get sick the better."

Also the 2020 and early 2021 O.G., alpha, and delta seemed to have many less reinfections then the new strains. The new strains evade immunity much more efficiently.

There *may* be immune system damage from these infections too.

The dream of catching it once, surviving , and then not having to worry anymore is dead. And herd immunity via infection also seems to not to work either.

Vaccination status seems to be a better indication of outcome than previous reinfection.


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Covid-19 reinfections may increase the likelihood of new health problems

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/05/health/covid-reinfection-risk/index.html

Repeatedly catching Covid-19 appears to increase the chances that a person will face new and sometimes lasting health problems after their infection, according to the first study on the health risks of reinfection.

The study, which is based on the health records of more than 5.6 million people treated in the VA Health System, found that, compared with those with just one Covid-19 infection, those with two or more documented infections had more than twice the risk of dying and three times the risk of being hospitalized within six months of their last infection. They also had higher risks for lung and heart problems, fatigue, digestive and kidney disorders, diabetes and neurologic problems.

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https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(22)00147-8/fulltext#:~:text=Reinfections%20were%20mostly%20mild%20(99.17,)%20per%201000%20person%2Dmonths.

Risk and severity of SARS-CoV-2 reinfections during 2020–2022 in Vojvodina, Serbia: A population-level observational study

Findings
Until January 31, 2022, 13,792 reinfections were recorded among 251,104 COVID-19 primary infections (5.49%). Most reinfections (86.77%, 11,967/13,792) were recorded in January 2022. Reinfections were mostly mild (99.17%, 13,678/13,792). Hospitalizations were uncommon and COVID-19 deaths were very rare (20/13,792, case fatality rate 0.15%). The overall incidence rate of reinfections was 5.99 (95% CI 5.89–6.09) per 1000 person-months. The reinfection risk was estimated as 0.76% at six months, 1.36% at nine months, 4.96% at 12 months, 16.68% at 15 months, and 18.86% at 18 months. Unvaccinated (OR=1.23; 95%CI=1.14–1.33), incompletely (OR=1.33; 95%CI=1.08–1.64) or completely vaccinated (OR=1.50; 95%CI=1.37–1.63), were modestly more likely to be reinfected compared with recipients of a third (booster) vaccine dose.

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356. "RE: can someone educate me on reinfection?"
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2 main points

1. Risk increases with each reinfection. Dose-response.

2. Omicron ba.4 and ba.5 are reinfecting people who had earlier Omicron infections from ba.1 or ba.2 Reinfections have occurred within weeks.

Ba.4 and ba.5 have the highest immune evasion and are the most transmissible out of all the strains and variants so far. Ba.5 is the most transmissible.

The person to follow is Eric Topol on Twitter. And his substack is free-
https://mobile.twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1539055374161936384

https://erictopol.substack.com/p/the-ba5-story





  

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362. "still a lot of unknowns with reinfection and long covid"
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Long covid does appear to be a real thing for some people. Sources I look to seem to think that the threat of long covid, or add-on longterm ill effects from re-infection is much lower, or maybe even not a threat, for people who have mild or asymptomatic cases. So if you had covid and the symptoms were bad and then you get it again and it's bad again (despite being vaccinated) you should maybe be concerned about the long-term harms its doing to your body. If you're vaccinated and get a mild case, it may not be worth worrying about. I'd suggest really getting your health (physical and mental) tuned up after a case of covid is a good idea and probably prophylactic against having your health put further down in a hole by a potential re-infection.

At this point, there aren't very clear answers on long-term effects so what I'm suggesting relies on not-exactly-scientific common sense. If you pull your hamstring sprinting and don't fully rehab it, the next time you sprint you're gonna be at greater risk for a more serious pull. So my personal stance toward the risk of long covid and re-infection is that it's a good incentive to prioritize getting stronger and healthier so you're in a better place to defeat it if it strikes again. Obviously this is much harder or impossible for older people or people that for whatever reason are already on a sort of downward trend of resilience and health.

  

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355. "I finally got it...."
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Sucks...

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364. "I got COVID 1 year ago today"
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The test results came back on 7/15 - but I felt the symptoms 1 year ago today.

Hope everyone on here is doing better.

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359. "07/11/2022 "
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A Super Contagious Omicron Mutant Is Worrying Scientists. It’s Called BA.2.75
https://time.com/6195495/covid-omicron-variant-mutant-contagious-ba2-75/

“It’s still really early on for us to draw too many conclusions,” said Matthew Binnicker, director of clinical virology at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota. “But it does look like, especially in India, the rates of transmission are showing kind of that exponential increase.” Whether it will outcompete BA.5, he said, is yet to be determined.

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COVID in California: First case of BA.2.75 subvariant detected in the state
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/COVID-in-California-First-case-of-BA-2-75-17294663.php

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A new dominant omicron strain in the U.S. is driving up cases — and reinfections

https://www.npr.org/2022/07/11/1110804098/omicron-ba5-variant-covid-reinfections

For much of the pandemic, the only silver lining to coming down with a case of COVID-19 was that you likely wouldn't catch it again for a while (though there isn't exactly a definitive answer on how long that period immunity typically lasts).

Increasingly, however, more people appear to be contracting the virus multiple times in relatively quick succession, as another omicron subvariant sweeps through the U.S.

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Your COVID protection outside isn’t what it was in 2020. Here’s why it’s time to think more critically about outdoor gatherings

https://fortune.com/2022/07/09/can-you-get-covid-outside-outdoors-omicron-ba5-ba4/

New studies suggest that BA.4 and BA.5, currently sweeping the U.S. and countries around the globe, have a growth advantage over BA.2 similar to the growth advantage BA.2 had over BA.1. Thus, the latest dominant COVID subvariants have a reproductive rate of around 18.6, tying or surpassing measles, the world's most infectious viral disease, according to Esterman.

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360. "good blog post here on future of covid vaccines"
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"We could have universal COVID vaccines very soon — if we urgently reform the process.

Bureaucratic and logistical roadblocks, not the science, stand in our way."

by Patrick Collison, CEO and founder of Stripe

https://www.slowboring.com/p/we-could-have-universal-covid-vaccines

Idea is the next level up for vaccines is probably to make ones that inhibit transmission (rather than neutralize the threat once it's already "in" us). This probably means vaccines that target the places where covid enters us, the nasal and mucous membranes. The theory is that such vaccines will be effective against ALL covid variants and do away with the need for continually updating vaccines as new variants emerge.

Some promising early results for this kind of vaccine in mice and non-human primates. More scientific work, and a lot of bureaucratic red tape and funding/manufacturing hurdles to get these vaccines developed, so the earliest humans will have access to these vaccines is 2024. Could be end of 2022 if some regulatory hurdles (certain, in Collison's view, unnecessarily cautious trial requirements, etc) are lifted.

In conclusion, looks like this could be a game changer down the road but we need to prioritize making it happen rather than sticking with the current vaccine-updating status quo. We'll see.



  

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361. "That could really help"
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This was mention on the 12/21/2021 post, but I'm glad more work is happening.

See: https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13448755&mesg_id=13448755&page=#13450507

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363. "yea, it seems like the future"
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playing vaccine-catch up for every new variant doesn't seem like the way.

another promising route are "variant-proof neutralizing antibodies" that could probably be implemented in vaccines if only there was enough collective willpower.

Topol mentions this here: https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1529529507337490432

The idea he hits on that there should be an Operation Warp Speed 2.0 to get making these more effective methods for keeping people safe a reality seems right to me. The science looks like it very much can be done, we just need the right institutions to care enough to push them forward.

In general, i think raising awareness of these promising routes forward is a good idea. I think chastising people and treating them like fools for not wanting to wear masks, etc after years of this pandemic is a tactic that may cause more harm than good. I think at this point, vulnerable people should educate themselves and make informed decisions about how they behave out in the world. But vaccinated, relatively young, healthy people need to be able to go about their lives without being scolded at this point. For most of the population, the social and psychological costs of living in fear outweigh the gains to be had from erring on the side of extreme caution. It seems you disagree here. But I'd also suggest that being a person that looks down on those less concerned and scolds them may have the effect of causing them to care even less about the real risks.

  

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365. "You'll probably want a better source"
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I would trust these "move fast and disrupt everything" tech execs with my health.

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366. "07/13/2020"
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COVID-19 hospitalizations in California up 63% in a month
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/COVID-in-California-BA-2-75-subvariant-has-been-17298154.php

There were 4,227 people hospitalized with COVID-19 in California as of Tuesday, according to state data, marking more than a 63% increase in the past month. Bay Area hospitals reported 796 patients, according to data from the California Department of Public Health, also a substantial uptick from June.

About half the hospitalizations may be incidental, according to state officials, meaning patients were hospitalized for another reason but tested positive while there.

California’s coronavirus test positive rate has increased to 16.1%, compared to 8.7% on June 10. The state is averaging 21 deaths per day due to COVID-19, having now surpassed 92,000 total pandemic deaths. COVID-19 cases remain stubbornly high, with California reporting 43 daily cases per 100,000 residents — a figure that has fluctuated little since early June. The highly transmissible BA.4 and BA.5 sub-variants of omicron make up about 4 out of 5 sequenced cases in the Northern California region, according to CDC data.

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If you were infected with COVID-19 during the first Omicron wave, you 'really don't have a lot of good protection' against the BA.5 subvariant: Fauci
https://www.businessinsider.com/fauci-prior-omicron-infection-doesnt-give-good-protection-against-ba5-2022-7

"People with prior infection, even with BA.1 or BA.2, are likely still at risk for BA.4 or BA.5," CDC Director Rochelle Walensky added.

This new variant, he said, "substantially evades" antibodies from both vaccination and prior infection.

But vaccination and up-to-date booster shots have been shown to substantially reduce the risk of ending up in the ICU with serious infection, health experts said. And BA.5 is not associated with greater disease severity or hospitalization compared to earlier Omicron sub-variants.

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367. "07/21/2022 - Biden caught COVID :("
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/biden-tests-positive-covid-white-house-says-rcna39334

WASHINGTON — President Joe Biden tested positive for Covid on Thursday and is experiencing "mild symptoms," the White House said in a statement.

Biden, 79, is being treated with the antiviral Paxlovid and is fully vaccinated and twice boosted, the statement said. White House Covid coordinator Ashish Jha said Biden is tired, has a runny nose, and a dry cough. Jha said Biden felt fine when he went to bed, but didn't sleep well.

"Consistent with CDC guidelines, he will isolate at the White House and will continue to carry out all of his duties fully during that time," the statement said. "He has been in contact with members of the White House staff by phone this morning, and will participate in his planned meetings at the White House this morning via phone and Zoom from the residence."

The positive test comes days after Biden returned from a trip overseas where he was in close contact with a number of leaders in Israel and the Middle East. Ahead of the trip, White House officials said Biden would be minimizing contact as a Covid precaution, but during public engagements, Biden was seen shaking hands and embracing officials and was seen without a mask during indoor meetings.

First lady Jill Biden is considered a close contact and is following CDC guidance on masking and social distancing, her spokesman said. The first lady said the president is "doing fine" and that she tested negative.

"My husband tested positive for Covid, I talked to him just a few minutes ago, he's doing fine," the first lady said Thursday ahead of an education event in Detroit. "He's feeling good. I tested negative this morning. I am going to keep my schedule."

Biden's doctor Kevin O'Connor said in a letter that Biden received a positive antigen test as part of a routine screening and the test was later confirmed by a more sensitive PCR test. He said Biden started experiencing a dry cough Wednesday evening.

"The President is fully vaccinated and twice-boosted, so I anticipate that he will respond favorably, as most maximally protected patients do," O'Connor said in the letter.

Biden’s last known negative Covid test was on July 19, according to the White House. The following day he traveled to Massachusetts for a climate change event.

During a wave of infections in Washington earlier in the year, the White House warned that it was a possibility Biden would get Covid at some point but said that he had a level of protection from his vaccinations and access to antiviral treatments shown to greatly reduce the risk of hospitalization and death.

The White House said it will provide a daily update on the president’s status, and inform all close contacts, including members of Congress who interacted with him at the event Wednesday.

Vice President Kamala Harris was traveling to North Carolina on Air Force Two at the time Biden’s positive test was announced, and no decision yet has been made to change her schedule, her office said.

Covid cases along with hospitalizations have been increasing across the U.S. driven by the highly-transmissible BA.5 variant, which recently became the dominant strain in the U.S.

Biden is the second sitting U.S. president to get Covid after his predecessor Donald Trump had to be hospitalized with an infection in 2020 before the availability of the vaccines. Former President Barack Obama also tested positive for Covid in March.

Biden is the most high profile of scores of Washington officials who have contracted the virus this year, including his Harris and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

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368. "I'll even go easy on you here"
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1. No way if this is Trumpolini this isn't its own thread with at least a half dozen replies by now talking about how reckless he was. Our local Democrat employee of the year would have had links upon links with citations and shit too. Oh its Joe? Crickets....

2. Lets not gloss over the fact that the whitehouse protocol is significantly more protective than the CDC guidance, and they say as much. "Get your asses back to work!" would be bad under the GOP...but ya'll are perfectly okay with it now.

3. The vaccines are a tremendous tool and Biden admin did amazing with the roll out...but this vax-only-and-pretend-this-shit-is-over strategy is a FAILING strategy IN CONTEXT. Better than Trump? Sure...thanks to the vax. But outside of that and not telling people to drink bleach...this admin has failed at its pandemic response.


So we can post frowny faces for dear leader all day, but lets be real please. The hypocrisy is maddening.


  

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369. "Kinder, politer, slow genocide "
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This country is completely captured by capitalism.
There are differences in the parties for sure
But on a macro level this is not a government for the people by the people
All of these old assholes grew up wanting to be Regan and then shaped both politic parties in their version of his image for the last forty fucking years
Fuck him and fuck them

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370. "..."
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>1. No way if this is Trumpolini this isn't its own thread
>with at least a half dozen replies by now talking about how
>reckless he was. Our local Democrat employee of the year
>would have had links upon links with citations and shit too.
>Oh its Joe? Crickets....

I don't think it's crickets, it's ALL OVER the news. And it jsut happened an hour ago.

Trump was reckless. Biden was not reckless - but also not doing everything he could have done.

There are differences:
Trump said "I'm not wearing a mask."
Trump had a huge mask-less party for Supreme Court takeover and spread it to dozens of people.
There was no vaccine.
There were no approved anti-bodies.
There were no approved anti-virals.
There were no variants so it was not as easy to catch.
The rest of the US and world was doing more to prevent spread at the time.


Trump catching it was partly because of all those reasons - he might have caught it being more careful - but he probably would not have.
His risk of dying was higher because of the lack of vaccines and treatments.

And he shoved a bunch of federal employees in a car to take a drive and wave to his fanatical supporters.
And his denial and lies about the disease did make it doubly stupid that he got it.


>2. Lets not gloss over the fact that the whitehouse protocol
>is significantly more protective than the CDC guidance, and
>they say as much. "Get your asses back to work!" would be bad
>under the GOP...but ya'll are perfectly okay with it now.

First, I'm not "okay' with it. But the entire fucking country seems to be okay with it for some reason. I agree it's crazy.

If Trump got it after visiting Israel and Saudi Arabia I can ONLY IMAGINE what his base would be saying. "The Jews infected our leader as a plot to replace us!"


>3. The vaccines are a tremendous tool and Biden admin did
>amazing with the roll out...but this
>vax-only-and-pretend-this-shit-is-over strategy is a FAILING
>strategy IN CONTEXT. Better than Trump? Sure...thanks to the
>vax. But outside of that and not telling people to drink
>bleach...this admin has failed at its pandemic response.

I think the entire country and world has failed - except maybe China. the China lockdowns certainly prevented hundred of thousands of deaths - but no way is any country other than China ever going to do them.

So Biden's doing better than Trump but not what we think he should do. Well when it's time to vote evaluate who does a better job and make your decision there.

>So we can post frowny faces for dear leader all day, but lets
>be real please. The hypocrisy is maddening.

The hypocrisy of the entire country at this point *is* insane. But the Republicans had a STRONG hold on it when Trump caught it.

Now the virus kills fewer people percentage wise, but still tens and hundreds of thousands too many. People - both red and blue - simply won't acknoclege it's a huge problem any longer.

Turns out it happened in 1918 too - and to me it's maddening.

remember that when the vaccines were being shipped out that Trump was meeting with people 24 hours a day to plot to stay in power - and he didn't give a FUCK about anything or anyone else.

The sad fact is that this COUNTRY is fucked - you have to support the people fucking it less. Or not, and post on the boards to vent - whichever you choose.

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372. "Too many people are taking precautions and still catching it"
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I have my doubts about the difference in how you catch it.

Mask or no mask.. reckless or precautionary, shit is random.

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377. "JUST GET THE VAXXXXX!!!!"
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This is two straight presidents with two diametrically opposed approaches to COVID politically & personally catching the virus.
JUST GET VAXXXED!!!!!!
Is clearly inadequate for the problem at hand.

Both will probably survive (but here's hoping for the absolute worse for Jim Crow Joe & his family...LETS GO COVID!!!)
BUT
Both will likely survive...the common denominator that both have?
Access to robust public healthcare.

That's to say nothing of the jobs lost due to vax mandates...
America is a shithole country

  

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378. "What kind of insanity did you just post?"
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Can a moderator check to see if NASCAR has hacked the posters account?

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371. "Finally got got"
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This was a few weeks ago...

Going through the day just fine when out of nowhere during a 90-degree plus day I suddenly got an intense chill and fatigue. Felt like I was freezing cold and got tired AF. Slight fever (~99.5f) for a day or two. Got better every day, but night sweats and fatigue lasted about 10 days. Started lifting and jogging again at this time. Another two weeks to get back to how I felt before I got sick. Took no pain killers or other medicine, only drank mad water and tried to eat well.

Fatigue (and the foggy-headedness it gave me) and the sweating were the only real symptoms, and they are completely gone now. Feel 100% right now.

  

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373. "Same. Got it did the first time"
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No fever. Whole body was achy. A little cough, which for a day or two was hurting my head every time I coughed. I tested positive exactly one week ago, still feel a little tired but other than that I’m good. Whole house got it, was mild for all of us.

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374. "Mom got COVID last night"
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Background:
She's 74.
In 2020 she got cancer , did CHEMO, had surgery and recovered and is 100% cancer free.
Mom lives in Arizona now.
She's had 4 shots.

I talked to her last night and she tested positive for COVID.
She went to ER (urgent care closed) and they prescribed molnupiravir instead of paxlovid - I don't know why. Maybe it's because mom is on drugs that have interactions, or could just be Arizona does the opposite of what Biden does - I don't know.

I think she's at HIGH RISK for complications, I hope she comes out okay. I'm *very* worried - especially since I had such a bad experience when I got COVID.


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375. "Definitely odd considering Biden’s care package"
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Seems like while disappointed in the virus still being present, the docs are ultimately pretty satisfied with how he responded to Paxlovid during the initial infection and appreciate that while he may still be relatively infectious he is regularly functional and showing no symptoms compared to before

Sounds like she’s autonomous as anybody’d want to be but so it’s up to her whether the following is relevant, y’know? But that is interesting that regular ol’ gal was treated differently than the widely available script POTUS got and seems standard for other prominent government leaders as well


I dunno, I’m posting through insomnia, don’t mind me. It’s great that she’s feeling well.

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379. "Molnupiravir may just have fewer drug interactions"
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If she takes a turn for the worse I'm going to urge her to go get hospitalized and see if she can get monoclonal antibodies as well.

I think they say "bebtelovimab" monoclonal still works against BA.5.

Update from mom;
Sleepy. flu/cold like symptoms.
Has laryngitis and can barely talk.

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376. "Damn, man...hoping for the best"
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380. "She's doing OK today, but is sick"
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Very fatigued.
Sore throat.
Appetite lost.
BORED out of her mind.
Sleeping *a lot*

Says she "feel same as yesterday."

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381. "She says she feels "normal" again"
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Says she doesn't feel ill anymore. Still has 3 does on molnupiravir to finish.

I'll be nervous for at least another week but it seems she's really doing well.

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382. "Feeling great, but still testing positive"
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But very likely she'll come out okay.

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It is super stressful to see older loved ones dealing with this. Hope she tests negative soon.

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384. "glad to hear she's faring well"
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hopefully neg test will come real soon

  

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Barring a rebound she's clear until she catches it again.

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386. "8/12/2022 - CDC gives up"
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Opinion: I keep hearing "COVID IS HERE TO STAY!!!" like that means trying to prevent catching or spreading COVID is no longer something we should try.

As someone who works for a hospital I can only *hope* Federal funding to hospitals will be increased - but I doubt it'll happen. This *WILL* fuck up your health system for a long time.

And your going to sick a lot more often than you used to - and it's BAD for some people even with a 'mild' case.

Here's the sentence that shows the major shift: "Instead of focusing on slowing transmission of the virus, the recommendations prioritize preventing severe illness. "

I guess we've given up and frankly I think it's more realistic than expecting people in this country from taking basic preventive measures. America has lost any ability to do anything that is even mildly inconvenient.

So we have a new disease that will kill 50,000 to 100,000 people a year , and "It's not going anywhere!!"


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/11/health/virus-cdc-guidelines.html

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention loosened Covid-19 guidelines on Thursday, freeing schools and businesses from the onus of requiring unvaccinated people exposed to the virus to quarantine at home.

The changes are a sharp move away from measures such as social distancing requirements and quarantining, which had polarized much of the country, and effectively acknowledge the way many Americans have been navigating the pandemic for some time. The agency’s action comes as children across the country return to school and many offices have reopened.

“We know that Covid-19 is here to stay,” Greta Massetti, a C.D.C. epidemiologist, said at a news briefing on Thursday. “High levels of population immunity due to vaccination and previous infection, and the many tools that we have available to protect people from severe illness and death, have put us in a different place.”

The C.D.C.’s new guidelines come after more than two years of a pandemic in which more than one million Americans have died. With the highly contagious BA.5 subvariant of Omicron spreading, the United States is recording more than 100,000 cases and nearly 500 deaths a day on average.

But many Americans dispensed with practices such as social distancing, quarantine and mask-wearing long ago.

“I think they are attempting to meet up with the reality that everyone in the public is pretty much done with this pandemic,” said Michael T. Osterholm, an infectious disease expert at the University of Minnesota, referring to the C.D.C.

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The agency has been working for months on the new guidance, which builds on previous recommendations issued in February, when the agency shortened isolation times for many Americans. The C.D.C. said it is making changes now because vaccination and prior infections have granted many Americans some degree of protection against the virus, and treatments, vaccines and boosters are available to reduce the risk of severe illness.

The changes shift much of the responsibility for risk reduction from institutions to individuals. The C.D.C. no longer recommends that people stay six feet away from others. Instead, it notes that avoiding crowded areas and maintaining a distance from others are strategies that people may want to consider in order to reduce their risk.


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And the recommended prevention strategies no longer draw a distinction between people who are up-to-date on their vaccinations and those who are not, streamlining a complicated set of rules that could be difficult for schools and businesses to navigate.

People who are exposed to the virus no longer must quarantine at home regardless of their vaccination status, although they should wear a mask for 10 days and get tested for the virus on Day 5, according to the new guidelines. Contact tracing and routine surveillance testing of people without symptoms are no longer recommended in most settings.

Instead of focusing on slowing transmission of the virus, the recommendations prioritize preventing severe illness. They emphasize the importance of vaccination and other prevention measures, including antiviral treatments and ventilation.

The guidelines around masking — which recommend that people wear them indoors in places where community Covid-19 levels are high — have not changed.

And people who test positive for the virus should still isolate at home for at least five days. Those who had moderate or severe illness, or are immunocompromised, should isolate through Day 10.

The agency also addressed the rebound infections that some people reported after taking the antiviral treatment Paxlovid; if symptoms return, people should restart the clock on isolation, the C.D.C. said.

Many health experts praised the new guidelines as representing a pragmatic approach to living with the virus in the longer term.

“I think this a welcome change,” said Amesh Adalja, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. “It actually shows how far we’ve come.”

The new guidelines will also be easier for the public to follow, he added.

But the pandemic has not ended, experts noted, and more stringent measures may be needed in the event of new variants or future surges.

While nearly all Americans are now eligible to be vaccinated, many are not up to date on their shots. Just 30 percent of 5- to 11-year-olds and 60 percent of 12- to 17-year-olds have received their primary vaccine series nationwide. Among adults 65 and older, who are at highest risk of severe illness, 65 percent have received a booster. Critical therapeutics, such as antiviral treatments, remain difficult for many to access.

“Obviously, we have to do more work to make sure that more people avail themselves of the protection that those tools have to offer and that more people can access those tools,” said Jennifer Nuzzo, director of the Pandemic Center at the Brown University School of Public Health. “I do think there’s been an overall dial-back in the ground game that’s needed to get people vaccinated.”

The guidance moves away from sweeping, population-level precautions to more targeted advice for vulnerable populations and specific high-risk settings and circumstances.

For instance, the guidelines note that schools may want to consider surveillance testing in certain scenarios, such as for when students are returning from school breaks or for those who are participating in contact sports.

Unvaccinated students who are exposed to the virus will no longer need to test frequently in order to remain in the classroom, an approach known as “test to stay.” The C.D.C. no longer recommends a practice known as cohorting, in which schools divide students into smaller groups and limit contact between them to reduce the risk of viral transmission.

Health experts said the change in guidance was particularly welcome as students head back to school, a setting in which quarantines had been especially disruptive.

“This really will help to minimize the impact of Covid-19 on education,” said Christina Ramirez, a biostatistician at the University of California, Los Angeles.

Mercedes Carnethon, an epidemiologist at the Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine, said that she did not view the changes, even the elimination of quarantines in favor of 10 days of masking, as a loosening of the agency’s guidance.

“We certainly know that wearing a high-quality mask is going to provide some of the strongest protection against spreading it to somebody else, and quarantine is logistically burdensome,” she said. “That could be seen as a relaxing of guidelines, but I think it’s a much more appropriate and targeted solution.”

Joseph Allen, a Harvard University researcher who studies indoor environmental quality, praised the new guidelines for putting more emphasis on improving ventilation.

“Good ventilation is something that helps reduce the risk of transmission that isn’t political and doesn’t require any behavior change,” he said.

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388. "To be fair"
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This is what they say in the article:
“We know that Covid-19 is here to stay,” Greta Massetti, a C.D.C. epidemiologist, said at a news briefing on Thursday. “High levels of population immunity due to vaccination and previous infection, and the many tools that we have available to protect people from severe illness and death, have put us in a different place.”


Now the government needs to fund healthcare more for the increase in disease - watch EVERY Republican vote against it and 2% of Dems waffle.

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389. "It's crazy what is being normalized these days"
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My wife has a job interview this afternoon where THIS morning 2 of the interviewers tested positive for Covid and "ran out of the office". They want to continue the interview with another person on staff... I just hope they all wear masks at this point given this news.

My wife and I have managed to avoid Covid thus far working from home mostly.

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UK first to approve Omicron COVID shot with Moderna nod
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/variant-adapted-covid-vaccine-wins-first-approval-britain-2022-08-15/

The UK medicines regulator (MHRA) gave the so-called bivalent vaccine made by U.S. drug company Moderna (MRNA.O) conditional approval as a booster for adults on Monday.

Britain's Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) is now expected to issue a recommendation soon on how the vaccine should be deployed in the country.

The MHRA's decision was based on clinical trial data that showed the booster triggered "a strong immune response" against both Omicron (BA.1) and the original 2020 virus, it said.
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Omicron is considered a milder coronavirus, but scientists aren’t so sure

Conventional wisdom says Omicron is less likely to cause serious illness, but that might be due to better immunity and treatments, not the virus itself.

For more than two years, Cathy Baron and Sara Alicia Costa managed to duck the coronavirus. But despite their being fully vaccinated and boosted, the Omicron variant finally caught them.

Baron is an actress and dance instructor who lives in Santa Monica. Costa is an architect in Austin, Texas. Both are 40 and healthy. But the two friends saw two very different sides of the variant, which they expected to be gentler than earlier strains.

For Costa, the Omicron variant lived up to its reputation for mildness, causing headaches and “something like a crummy cold” for a couple of days. She was visiting Baron and surfing in Santa Monica a week after testing positive.

Baron’s illness was deeply chastening. She was flattened for several days with a high fever and debilitating muscle aches, and was too exhausted to teach her pole-dancing class for three weeks. Two months later, she's still coping with fatigue, brain fog and episodic coughing fits.

Baron and Costa are what scientists would dismiss as an “n of 2.” If their experience were a study, the sample size would be far too small to draw any conclusions, especially one as important as whether the Omicron variant really is less virulent than the SARS-CoV-2 variants that came before it.

And yet, their contrasting experiences are as telling as many of the research studies conducted to date that have tried to determine how dangerous Omicron is.

“It’s an excellent question,” one that many researchers think they know the answer to, said Dr. Stanley Perlman, a University of Iowa virologist and a leading expert on coronaviruses.

“I think it’s true” that the Omicron variant is causing milder illnesses, he said. But the picture is “not clear,” he cautioned.

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Omicron arrived in the United States at a time when 60% of Americans had the protection of COVID-19 vaccines and roughly a third of Americans (including some who'd been vaccinated) had already been infected with the coronavirus. Not only was there a high level of population immunity, those who did become ill had access to treatments that weren't available to people sickened by the initial strain from Wuhan, China, or the Alpha and Delta variants that followed.

Perhaps these are the reasons why those infected with Omicron have tended to experience milder illnesses.

“It’s widely said that Omicron is inherently less pathogenic, but there is no real evidence for that,” said Dr. Christopher Chiu, a COVID-19 researcher at Imperial College London.

"Comparisons with Delta are like apples and oranges," he said. “Delta was circulating at a time when many were still not vaccinated or previously infected. In contrast, Omicron is largely causing breakthrough infections in people who already have partial protection from immunity conferred by vaccines or infection.”

Since its appearance in November, researchers have seen that compared with previous variants, Omicron was less likely to send infected people to the hospital or to their graves.

First in South Africa and later in communities across America, the new variant bucked expectations spawned by earlier surges. In the two to three weeks after Omicron cases spiked, hospitalizations and deaths rose as well — but more slowly, and they topped out at lower levels.

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Could humanity catch a break with Omicron?

Still, as Americans have learned from hard experience, the Omicron variant is a highly capable killer. Just over 200,000 of the country's more than 1,030,000 COVID-19 deaths are likely attributable to some version of the Omicron variant, which arrived here around Thanksgiving and became dominant in January.

And don’t forget, Perlman said: It's still killing some 400 people a day in the United States.

How much of Omicron’s supposed mildness should be credited to the protective effect of vaccines is not known.

In June, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention concluded that COVID-associated hospitalizations among unvaccinated adults were 4.6 times higher than they were among vaccinated people. But the picture is muddier than such data would suggest.

Americans’ immune profiles run the gamut, making it hard to slot people into neat categories and compare how they fare when infected by different variants. Those who've been vaccinated are experiencing various degrees of waning immunity, even with boosters. The same goes for people who've recovered from infections. The readiness of their immune systems depends on how long ago they had the infections, what variant infected them, their vaccination statuses, and other factors such as their ages and the medications they take.

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With so many variables to consider, it’s hard for researchers to draw a clean comparison between Omicron and its predecessors. But they've tried.

In one study published in Nature, scientists showed that Omicron was drawn to a wide range of human tissues. When observed in petri dishes, the variant established itself in cells that mimicked the upper airways of the respiratory system, though with less gusto than the Delta variant had. In addition, Omicron was far less adept at infecting lower airway cells, including lung tissue, than either Delta or the original SARS-CoV-2 strain from Wuhan.

And in studies of animals such as hamsters and genetically engineered mice, the Omicron variant caused less weight loss (a proxy for severe disease) and touched off less inflammation in the lungs than either Delta or the original strain.

Adding to the uncertainty is the fact that coronavirus testing was undergoing sweeping changes just as the Omicron variant took hold. As at-home testing ramped up and fewer new infections were reported to public health agencies, the relationship between cases on the one hand and hospitalizations and deaths on the other — a previously dependable measure of a variant’s ability to sicken — became less reliable.

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Just how big is this COVID surge? As reported tests fall off, it's harder to say

The Omicron variant’s astonishing infectiousness and propensity to spin off new subvariants complicate the picture even more. In a recent meeting convened by the Food and Drug Administration, even experts from the agency shrugged when asked to compare the subvariants.

Collectively, those Omicron subvariants muscled Delta aside so quickly that doctors and researchers didn’t have time to collect groups of similar patients, genetically sequence the viruses that infected them, and compare how their illnesses proceeded.

That's the kind of study that might shed light on the divergent experiences of Cathy Baron and Sara Alicia Costa. They're seemingly well-matched examples of healthy 40-year-old women, yet Omicron attacked one of them like a lion and treated the other like a lamb. With the experiences of hundreds or thousands of people thrown in, such research might reveal factors that nudge an Omicron infection in one direction or the other.

There is a more direct way to learn how Omicron compares to earlier variants in its ability to sicken and kill: Researchers could deliberately infect volunteers with different versions of the coronavirus and track their physiological responses over the course of their illnesses.

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What it's like to catch the coronavirus for the sake of science

Chiu and his colleagues at Imperial College London have just such an undertaking in mind. They are planning "human challenge" studies involving the Delta and Omicron variants to mirror one already conducted with the original version of the virus.

The resulting data could yield a clearer picture of exactly how Omicron behaves in healthy humans, and how a prior infection or different levels of vaccination affect an individual's illness.

Chiu said a new study would seek to enroll people who gained immunity through vaccinations, past infections, or a combination of both. That would give more insight into whether so-called hybrid immunity is an important bulwark against becoming sick in the Omicron era.

If research confirms that the Omicron variant is indeed milder than its predecessors, and that getting it confers some protection from future illness, some may conclude it's time to let the virus spread.

Baron would take some convincing of that.

"When people say, ‘Let’s just let it rip’ and allow ourselves to get infected over and over again — that’s scary to me," she said. "I don’t want to just let it rip. I don’t want to get it again.”

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391. "COVID test expiration dates lengthened"
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I was going through my tests and notice that a few were set to expire this month.

So if you have test that are set to expire you can check this FDA webpage and see if the expiration date has been extended:

https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/coronavirus-covid-19-and-medical-devices/home-otc-covid-19-diagnostic-tests?utm_source=CDRHTwitterD

Find the test you have and click the "See link for list of updated expiration dates" if there is one for your test.

It might save you some cash.

And remember your health coverage is required to reimburse you for up to 8 tests a month (individual.)
https://www.cms.gov/how-to-get-your-at-home-OTC-COVID-19-test-for-free

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392. "08/23/2022"
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Still 400 people a day dying of COVID. That's 50% more than overdoses - you know the CRISIS??




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Pfizer And BioNTech Ask FDA To Authorize Omicron Covid Booster
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2022/08/22/pfizer-and-biontech-ask-fda-to-authorize-omicron-covid-booster/?sh=19c170e617e9

The new version of the vaccine is “bivalent”—meaning that it contains both materials from the original Covid vaccine, which is already FDA approved, as well as mRNA matching the spike protein of the BA.4/BA.5 variant of Omicron, which is the most rapidly spreading version of Covid around the world.

According to Pfizer, preclinical data of the new version of the vaccine provided a strong neutralizing antibody response against both the original strain of the coronavirus as well as the circulating Omicron variants. In June, the companies announced strong safety data from a clinical trial of a bivalent version of its vaccine targeted toward the original Omicron variant.

Covid-19 cases have been on a slight decline over the past few days in the U.S., but the CDC reports that it’s still seeing an average of over 90,000 new cases per day, over 5,500 new hospitalizations per day, and nearly 400 deaths per day. All of these numbers are expected to rise again during the fall and winter, a concern that led the FDA in June to encourage vaccine manufacturers to develop Omicron-specific booster shots in an attempt to forestall that rise.

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U.S. Won’t Pay For Covid-19 Shots Soon. Here’s How It Could Work
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2022/08/18/us-wont-pay-for-covid-19-shots-soon-heres-how-it-could-work/?sh=73ee337f30db

The Biden Administration is in the early stages of preparing to shift the burden of paying for Covid-19 vaccines, tests and treatments to Americans after nearly three years of the federal government picking up the bill.

...The Department of Health and Human Services will hold a meeting later this month to pave the way for insurers and patients to pay for Covid-19 vaccines, antiviral treatments and tests, according to the Wall Street Journal.

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Over half of people infected with the omicron variant didn't know it, a study finds
https://www.npr.org/2022/08/19/1118402942/omicron-variant-unaware-covid-research-study

The majority of people likely infected with the omicron variant that causes COVID-19 were not aware they contracted the virus, which likely played a role in the rapid spread of omicron, according to a study published this week.

Researchers at Cedars-Sinai, a nonprofit health organization based in Los Angeles, examined the infectious status of individuals during the omicron surge in the U.S.

Omicron was first detected in November 2021 and has become the most dominant strain of COVID-19. Common symptoms are typically less severe than other variants and include cough, headache, fatigue, sore throat and a runny nose, according to the researchers.

What did researchers find?
The study analyzed 2,479 blood samples from adult employees and patients at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center around the time of the omicron variant surge.

Of the 210 people who likely contracted the omicron variant — based on antibodies in their blood — 56% percent did not know they had the virus, the researchers found.
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Omicron subvariants BA.4.6 and BA.2.75 are here. How concerned should California be?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/omicron-subvariants-ba46-and-ba275-are-here-how-concerned-should-california-be/ar-AA10VKZl

At this point, BA.5 is far and away the most common version of the coronavirus circulating in California and nationwide. It was estimated to constitute 89% of coronavirus cases nationwide for the week that ended Saturday, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

However, the proportion of infections attributed to BA.4.6 has inched upward. That subvariant was estimated to constitute 6.3%of cases over the week ending Saturday, up from 5.6% the week before.

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393. "08/26/2022 - Moderna SUES Pfizer!!!"
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What a fucking clusterfuck.

Moderna sues Pfizer and BioNTech for using mRNA technology in their COVID-19 vaccine
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2022/08/26/covid-moderna-sues-pfizer-biontech-patent-infringement-mrna-vaccine/7902626001/

Moderna is suing fellow vaccine developers Pfizer and its German partner BioNTech for infringing on patents related to mRNA technology used in their COVID-19 vaccine, the company announced Friday.

The Cambridge, Massachusetts, company claims Pfizer-BioNTech’s vaccine Comirnaty infringes on patents it filed between 2010 and 2016 related to its mRNA technology, according to a Moderna news release.

“We believe that Pfizer and BioNTech unlawfully copied Moderna’s inventions, and they have continued to use them without permission,” said Moderna chief legal officer Shannon Thyme Klinger.

A Pfizer spokesperson said the company cannot comment as it has not yet been served with the lawsuit, which Moderna said it is filing Friday in United States District Court in Massachusetts. The complaint against BioNTech will be filed in the Regional Court of Düsseldorf in Germany.

Moderna alleges Pfizer and BioNtech copied two key features of the company’s patented technologies, which they say are “critical to the success of mRNA vaccines.”

One of the patented technologies was a chemical modification that helps avoid an undesirable immune response when mRNA is introduced to the body. Scientists in Cambridge began developing the new modification in 2010 and in 2015 were the first to validate it in human trials, according to the news release.

Moderna also claims Pfizer and BioNTech’s approach to encode the spike protein in a lipid molecule was copied from a vaccine created to fight Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) years before the COVID-19 pandemic.

The company said Pfizer and BioNTech had four vaccine candidates that didn’t infringe on Moderna’s patents but ultimately decided to go with a vaccine that did.

In the news release, Moderna said it pledged in October 2020 not to enforce the COVID-19 related patents during the pandemic but in March 2022 determined the “collective fight against COVID-19 entered a new phase and vaccine supply was no longer a barrier.”

The company said it won’t enforce its COVID-19 vaccine patents in low- and middle-income countries, but expects Pfizer, BioNTech and other vaccine makers to respect its intellectual property rights in other markets.

In the COVID-19 vaccine, mRNA spurs cells to make a protein normally found on the surface of the coronavirus. That way, when the immune system sees the actual virus, it will recognize the protein and attack the virus before it can do serious damage.

The COVID-19 vaccine relies on breakthroughs from scientists at the National Institutes of Health on how to precisely mimic the protein on a virus. The two vaccines now available to Americans, by Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech, both depend on that advancement.

None of the patent rights Moderna is seeking to enforce applies to intellectual property generated during its collaboration with NIH during the pandemic, the company said.

“We are filing these lawsuits to protect the innovative mRNA technology platform that we pioneers, invested billions of dollars in crating, and patented during the decade preceding the COVID-19 pandemic,” said Moderna Chief Executive Officer Stéphane Bancel.

The new release said, "Moderna is not seeking removal of Comirnaty from market or injunction against future sales."

So far in the U.S., more than 360 million doses of Pfizer-BioNTech's COVID-19 vaccine have been administered; nearly 230 million doses of Moderna's vaccine have been administered, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

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394. "that could have some big implications next time"
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if they are successful with the lawsuit then how willing will companies be to expedite vaccines with the next pandemic. im thinking best case is that moderna wins but the government pays royalties instead of pfizer and biontech. that way the companies know that finding a solution quick is the objective and they dont have to worry about getting sued over patents.

  

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395. "As someone who worked in pharma...."
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This is the fuckery that makes people distrust them.

If they take a way a tool like this then it *may* increase 'innovation' or it may block new drugs and lead to harm.

I'm leaning towards harm.

Let's hope this doesn't fuck with next month's (fingers crossed) boosters.

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396. "I'm a big vaccine supporter but this is an AWFUL look"
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and lends itself to all the dumb Trumper and anti-vaccine conspiracy theorists. Im kinda shocked Moderna decided to do this.

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398. "From what I understand, it's not nearly as big a deal as it sounds. "
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Other biotech companies were already suing Moderna, and I'd be shocked if BioNTech doesn't file a suit against Moderna very soon. They've probably been planning it at least as long as Moderna has, and are just taking longer to dot their i's.

Everybody was playing fast and loose with patents and licensing in the rush to get a covid vaccine, and the government and public rightly encouraged that. There was an episode of Radiolab about it, and they emphasized that there would be a flood of lawsuits as soon as the crisis started to subside.

A complication is that a lot of mRNA technology was developed specifically for cancer treatment, and that's still expected to be one of its greatest uses. That also means that the amount of money floating around these patents is gonna skyrocket in the long run.

So someone's gonna have to figure out who really owns what and what everybody owes everybody else in licenses. And at this stage that can only be the courts. A bunch of lawyers are gonna get very rich, but Pfizer and Moderna can afford it. The academics will get screwed, but they're used to that.

  

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Covid.gov free test going away Sepetmeber 2nd
https://www.covid.gov/tests

From page: Ordering through this program will be suspended on Friday, September 2 because Congress hasn’t provided additional funding to replenish the nation’s stockpile of tests.
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Also, with lack of tetsing, free CVOID vaccines going away, people's nearly complete refusal to mask and "getting back to normal" by crowding into public places the boosters that are coming will likely be much less effective than people expect. Plus many folks won't take the new vaccine becuase it's seen as a hassle. I'll wait for the replies that blame Biden.

Article:
America’s Fall Booster Plan Has a Fatal Paradox
New boosters that target Omicron may be our most important COVID vaccines since 2020—but the U.S. may be setting up the new shots to fail.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2022/08/omicron-booster-vaccine-only-plan/671233/

America’s first-ever reformulated COVID-19 vaccines are coming, very ahead of schedule, and in some ways, the timing couldn’t be better. Pfizer’s version of the shot, which combines the original recipe with ingredients targeting the Omicron subvariants BA.4 and BA.5, may be available to people 12 and older as early as the week after Labor Day; Moderna’s adult-only brew seems to be on a similar track. The schedule slates the shots to debut at a time when BA.5 is still the country’s dominant coronavirus morph—and it means that, after more than a year of scrambling to catch up to SARS-CoV-2’s evolutionary capers, we might finally be getting inoculations that are well matched to the season’s circulating strains. Which is “absolutely great,” says Deepta Bhattacharya, an immunologist at the University of Arizona.

In other ways, the timing couldn’t be worse. Emergency pandemic funds have been drying up, imperiling already dwindling supplies of vaccines; with each passing week, more Americans are greeting the coronavirus with little more than a shrug. The most recent revamp of the country’s pandemic playbook has softened or stripped away the greater part of the remaining mitigation measures that stood between SARS-CoV-2 and us. Calls for staying up-to-date on COVID vaccines are one of the last nationwide measures left—which puts a lot of pressure on shot-induced immunity to combat the virus, all on its own.

The nation has latched on before to the idea that shots alone can see us through. When vaccines first rolled out, Americans were assured that they’d essentially stamp out transmission, and that the immunized could take off their masks. “I thought we learned our lesson,” says Saskia Popescu, an infectious-disease epidemiologist at George Mason University. Apparently we did not. America is still stuck on the notion of what Popescu calls “vaccine absolutism.” And it rests on two very shaky assumptions, perhaps both doomed to fail: that the shots can and should sustainably block infection, and that “people will actually go and get the vaccine,” says Deshira Wallace, a public-health researcher at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. As fall looms, the U.S. is now poised to expose the fatal paradox in its vaccine-only plan. At a time when the country is more reliant than ever on the power of inoculation, we’re also doing less than ever to set the shots up for success.

In terms of both content and timing, the fall shot will be one of the most important COVID vaccines offered to Americans since the initial doses. Since SARS-CoV-2 first collided with the human population nearly three years ago, it’s shape-shifted. The coronavirus is now better at infecting us and is a pretty meh match for the original shots that Pfizer, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson produced. An updated vaccine should rejuvenate our defenses, prodding our antibody levels to soar and our B cells and T cells to relearn the virus’s visage.

That doesn’t mean the shots will offer a protective panacea. COVID vaccines, like most others, are best at staving off severe disease and death; against BA.5 and its kin, especially, that protection is likely to be durable and strong. But those same shields will be far more flimsy and ephemeral against milder cases or transmission, and can only modestly cut down the risk of long COVID. And when partnered with a compromised or elderly immune system, the shots have that much less immunological oomph. Then say a new immunity-dodging variant appears: The shots could lose even more of their strength.

Vaccine performance also depends on how and how often the shots are used. The more people take the doses, the better they will work. But no matter how hard we try, this reformulated shot “is not going to cover everyone, either because they choose not to get it or won’t be able to access it,” says Katia Bruxvoort, an epidemiologist at the University of Alabama at Birmingham. People who haven’t yet finished their primary series of COVID shots aren’t expected to be able to sign up for the BA.5 boosts—a policy that Bhattacharya thinks is a big mistake, not least because it will disadvantage anyone who seeks a first brush with vaccine protection this fall. “The better the degree of breadth right at the beginning,” he told me, the better future encounters with the virus should go. Most kids under 12 remain in that totally unvaccinated category; even those who have completed their initial round of shots won’t be eligible for the revamped recipe, at least not in this first autumn push. Among people who can immediately get the new booster, uptake will probably be meager and unbalanced. “Realistically, the boosters are going to be concentrated in the places that have been the least impacted by the pandemic” and in people who have already had at least one boost, says Anne Sosin, a public-health researcher at Dartmouth. Such widening gaps in protection will continue to offer the virus vulnerable pockets to invade.

Crummy uptake isn’t a new issue, and some of the same deterrents that have plagued rollouts from the start haven’t gone away. Vaccines are a hassle and can come with annoying side effects. And in recent months, even more obstacles have been raised. The wind-down of COVID funding is making it much harder for people without insurance or other reliable health-care access to get boosted. And after nearly three years of constant crisis slog, far fewer people fear the virus, especially now that so many Americans have caught it and survived. A year into the Biden administration’s concerted push for boosters, fewer than a third of U.S. residents have nabbed even their first additional shot. With each additional injection Americans are asked to get, participation drops off—a trend experts anticipate will continue into the fall. “There’s a psychological hurdle,” says Gregory Poland, a vaccinologist at the Mayo Clinic, “that this is over and done.”

The reality that most Americans are living in simply doesn’t square with an urgent call for boosts—which speaks to the “increasing incoherence in our response,” Sosin told me. The nation’s leaders have vanished mask mandates and quarantine recommendations, and shortened isolation stints; they’ve given up on telling schools, universities, and offices to test regularly. People have been repeatedly told not to fear the virus or its potentially lethal threat. And yet the biggest sell for vaccines has somehow become an individualistic, hyper-medicalized call to action—another opportunity to slash one’s chances at severe disease and death. The U.S. needs people to take this vaccine because it has nothing else. But its residents are unlikely to take it, because they’re not doing anything else.

If all goes as planned, COVID tests, treatments, and vaccines will be commercialized by 2023—making these fall shots perhaps the last free boosters we’ll get. And yet, officials have neither a new strategy for buoying vaccine uptake nor the ammunition for clear messaging on how well the shots will work. In service of speeding up the availability of the BA.5-focused shots, federal regulators are planning to green-light the new formulation based on antibody data from mice. (Both Pfizer and Moderna have human studies planned or under way, but results aren’t expected to be ready until after the rollout begins.) The reliance on animal experiments isn’t necessarily concerning, Bhattacharya told me; the approval protocol for annual flu shots doesn’t require massive human clinical trials either. But the shortcut does introduce a snag: “We know nothing yet about the efficacy or effectiveness of these Omicron-focused vaccines,” Poland said. Researchers can’t be sure of the degree to which the shots will improve upon the original recipe. And public-health officials won’t be able to leverage the concrete, comforting numbers that have been attached to nearly every other shot that’s been doled out. Instead, communications will hinge on “how much trust you have in the information you’re getting from the government,” UNC’s Wallace told me. “And that is very tricky right now.”

Shots, to be abundantly clear, are essential to building up a properly defensive anti-COVID wall. But they are not by themselves sufficient to keep invaders out. Like bricks stacked without a foundation or mortar, they will slip and slide and crumble. Nor is a wall with too few bricks likely to succeed: If the goal is to preemptively quell a winter case surge, “a booster that will have maybe 30 to 40 percent uptake is not something we can expect to have a huge population-level impact,” Bhattacharya told me.

All of that bodes poorly for the coming fall and winter, a time when respiratory viruses thrive and people throng indoors. The nation could see yet another round of “incredibly high surges,” says Jessica Malaty Rivera, a senior adviser at the Pandemic Prevention Institute, further sapping supplies of underutilized or tough-to-access tools such as tests and treatments, and straining a health-care system that’s already on the brink. Cases of long COVID will continue to appear; sick people will continue to miss work and school. And “God forbid we get another variant” that’s even more severe, George Mason’s Popescu told me, further overwhelming the few defenses we have.

Pinning all of America’s hopes on vaccines this fall, experts told me, may have ripple effects on our future COVID autumns too. Asked to counter the virus alone, the injections will falter; they will look less appealing, driving uptake further down. If this fall is meant to set a precedent for subsequent vaccination campaigns, it may unspool one of the worst scenarios of all: asking shots to do so much for us that they hardly accomplish anything at all.

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tldr; Covid deaths are stabilizing to be as bad, per month, as a bad flu season month. Flu seasons last 3 months, COVID is year round.


US stuck in a 'horrible plateau' of COVID-19 deaths, experts say. Here's why.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2022/08/03/covid-deaths-us-stuck-horrible-plateau-experts-say-heres-why/10202358002/

Swipe: In July, more than 12,500 Americans died of COVID-19, according to the USA TODAY analysis.

Coronavirus deaths are similar to the number of influenza deaths normally reported during peak season, said David Dowdy, epidemiologist at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. A bad flu season in the USA could see more than 50,000 deaths.

That doesn’t mean COVID-19 mortality has reached that of flu, he said, as peak flu season lasts only about three months. Spread over the course of the year, Dowdy said, there would be about four times as many COVID-19 deaths than flu deaths.

COVID-19 is “like having to live in flu season year round, and that’s not what we do with the flu,” he said. “If we had to do that with the flu, we’d be instituting more measures than what we do.”
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Thread on Paxlovid 'rebound'
https://twitter.com/AshishKJha46/status/1553852959951298560

Swipe: We know that some proportion of people, even without Paxlovid, get rebound

In the clinical trial, the placebo group had almost as much rebound as Paxlovid group

Both groups about 2% of the time

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COVID deaths are back up to nearly 500 a day

https://www.npr.org/2022/07/24/1113257856/covid-deaths-are-back-up-to-nearly-500-a-day



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400. "one question I've had since the beginning of Covid:"
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there seems to have never been a study (nor desired) to check people for prior infection BEFORE vaccines were available to the public.

Since we know that Covid experiences vary from severe to asymptomatic, without this as a BASELINE, have we ever had an accurate Covid response from a preventative/protective health perspective? How do we not know that 50% of people already had/were exposed to Covid already?

Just never sat quite right with me.

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>there seems to have never been a study (nor desired) to check
>people for prior infection BEFORE vaccines were available to
>the public.


The have statistical models available that they rely on simply because testing hundreds of millions to billions of people is not feasible.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html

CDC estimates that from February 2020–September 2021: 146.6 Million
Estimated Total Infections in the U.S. with 124.0 Million
Estimated Symptomatic Illnesses, 7.5 Million
Estimated Hospitalizations, 921,000
Estimated Total Deaths.

To estimate COVID-19 infections, symptomatic illnesses, and hospitalizations, CDC uses a statistical model applied to confirmed cases of COVID-19, adjusted for missing age and hospitalization status. Several data sources and surveillance systems are used to identify and characterize potential sources of underdetection, which include:

SARS-CoV-2 test sensitivity is lower. People tested for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19 disease, may not test positive even if infected with the virus due to the lower sensitivity of the test used. SARS-CoV-2 test sensitivity has been reported in the literature; a range of 79%-98% sensitivity for RT-PCR tests is used to account for false negative test results.

SARS-CoV-2 test is not ordered or not completed in a timely manner. Not all outpatients who seek care for acute respiratory illness (ARI) or inpatients hospitalized with ARI are tested for COVID-19, and not all ordered tests are correctly completed in a timely manner. CDC uses two data sources to approximate how many outpatients with ARI are not tested for COVID-19:
****IBM Watson Explorys Electronic Health Record database, a data repository of electronic health records from more than 39 health partners, 400 acute care facilities, and 400,000 unique providers; and
****COVID Near You (CNY), a website application launched by Harvard University in March 2020 where participants can submit information on self-reported symptoms, efforts to obtain health care, and COVID-19 testing.

Not all patients with symptoms seek care or testing services. Not all sick patients seek care or are tested for COVID-19, and therefore they are not included in national case reports. To approximate the number of symptomatic people who never sought medical care, researchers use data from COVID Near You (CNY) and Flu Near You (FNY) sites on health care seeking behaviors. While COVID Near You launched in March 2020, FNY has been collecting self-reported influenza participatory data since 2011.

Patients do not have symptoms. Some people infected with SARS-CoV-2 never show symptoms (they have asymptomatic infection). People with asymptomatic infection are very likely to go undetected. The percentage of asymptomatic infections is reported in the literature and varies by age group. In people 0-64 years old, a range of 5%-24% is used to estimate asymptomatic infections, and for people 65 years and older, a range of 5%-32% is used.

The statistical model used to adjust hospitalized and non-hospitalized case counts for the above sources of underdetection is based on methods that have been previously used to estimate the disease burden of influenza, detailed elsewhere. These methods are peer-reviewed and published in Clinical Infectious Diseases.


>Since we know that Covid experiences vary from severe to
>asymptomatic, without this as a BASELINE, have we ever had an
>accurate Covid response from a preventative/protective health
>perspective? How do we not know that 50% of people already
>had/were exposed to Covid already?

>Just never sat quite right with me.

What's you hypothesis?

A lot of people got Covid before vaccines and therefore vaccines were given too much protective credit?

If COVID death rates were over estimated because more infections occurred than reported?

If COVID deaths are being undercounted?

EDIT; The study above looks at a longer period than you asked for, but if you reached out to the authors they may be able to give you estimates up until mid December of 2020.

Edit: See here too:
https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2021/09/07/covid-19-infected-many-more-americans-in-2020-than-official-tallies-show/

From these data, the researchers calculated that only about 11 percent of all COVID-19 cases were confirmed by a positive test result in March 2020. By the end of the year, with testing improvements and heightened public awareness of COVID-19, the ascertainment rate (the number of infections that were known versus unknown) rose to about 25 percent on average. This measure also varied a lot across the country. For instance, the ascertainment rates in Miami and Phoenix were higher than the national average, while rates in New York City, Los Angeles, and Chicago were lower than average.

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idk why you think it wasn't.

it's tough to measure though, because not everyone maintains antibodies for the same amount of time or in the same way, merely having been exposed doesn't mean you were infected.

also, we did have fairly accurate estimates of how many people were infected at various times, because of wastewater testing, you should look that up.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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402. "FYI...this Friday is the last day to order free covid tests..."
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through the Post Office. The program is being suspended, due to lack of funding to replenish the stockpile of tests. Just ordered 8 more. This is my second set, ordering this way. It's way more efficient than the very first time. The tests arrived in 2 days.

https://special.usps.com/testkits

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Go to you insurers website or ask someone at the drug store how to do it.

Some insurances in San Diego arranged to be billed directly by the pharmacy so you walk out with the free tests.

Others, like my insurance, make me pay for the test and send in a request for reimbursement. I did that and got a check that covered the actual costs of the test, but it took about a month to get reimbursed.

Also if you have expired tests don't throw them away, check and see if the expiration date was extended. See this post for details: https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13448755&mesg_id=13448755&page=#13466502


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From a few months ago. Maybe I'll try again

  

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F.D.A. Authorizes Updated Covid Booster Shots
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/31/us/politics/covid-booster-shots-variants.html

F.D.A. Authorizes Updated Covid Booster Shots, Targeting Omicron Subvariants
The agency cleared two options targeting subvariants that are currently dominant, hoping to curtail a fall or winter surge.

WASHINGTON — The Food and Drug Administration on Wednesday authorized the first redesign of coronavirus vaccines since they were rolled out in late 2020, setting up millions of Americans to receive new booster doses targeting Omicron subvariants as soon as next week.

The agency cleared two options aimed at the BA.5 variant of Omicron that is now dominant: one made by Pfizer and its German partner BioNTech for use in people as young as 12, and the other by Moderna, for those 18 and older. The doses can be given at least two months since people last received a booster dose or completed their initial series of vaccinations.

Biden administration officials have argued that even as researchers work to understand how protective the new shots might be, inoculating Americans again in the coming weeks could help curb the persistently high number of infections and deaths.

“As we head into fall and begin to spend more time indoors, we strongly encourage anyone who is eligible to consider receiving a booster dose,” Dr. Robert M. Califf, the F.D.A. commissioner, said in a statement on Wednesday. He added that the vaccine would “provide better protection against currently circulating variants.”

An average of about 90,000 infections and 475 deaths are recorded every day around the United States, almost three years into a pandemic that has killed more than a million Americans and driven a historic drop in life expectancy.
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406. "Seriously though, any new tools coming cuz this is rough "
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Whole thread-

https://twitter.com/wsbgnl/status/1564840671164256256


Ouch-

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1319446692236791814



It is absolutely incredible how standards/expectations completely changed when our side took over.


And no this isn't just "blame Biden"...this is a reminder that-

1. The vaccines are very important, but not the end game. We need better vaccines/treatments asap.

2. The decision to abandon safety measures and oversell what the vaccines actually do absolutely has led to excess death.

3. The desire to put the economy and illusion of normalcy above all else has led to excess death



If these things were happening under Trump, folks would be livid. Its literally insane.


It is okay to admit that this admin has failed on COVID and to ask/want/expect more.

If you live in a high risk household you have definitely been abandoned by this admin.


  

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tldr: You have no solutions and you think Trump and Biden are the same.

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>tldr: You have no solutions and you think Trump and Biden are
>the same.

That's what you got out of that? The "you must be pro-Trump" if you at all question the public health response to the pandemic is beyond tired by now. Clearly Stadiq doesn't equivocate Biden w/ Trump in some simple simon way like you're implying. He's simply asking for this pandemic to not be politicized to where we champion one guy's failures while heaping all criticism on the other (despite the fact that they've both failed w/ this particular issue).

Demanding better pharmaceutical products/vaccines to treat and prevent Covid from spreading *is* calling for solutions. Acknowledging that the vaccines have under-performed is simply being intellectually honest. You can acknowledge that vaccines are vitally important to mitigate death while also calling for Pfizer and Moderna to run better trial data (via blind/controlled studies with large sample sizes that account for age/demo differences) and to produce better products that don't short-cut safety & efficacy trials.

"Biden administration officials have argued that even as researchers work to understand how protective the new shots might be, inoculating Americans again in the coming weeks could help curb the persistently high number of infections and deaths."

That's not exactly a resounding boast of confidence in the ability for these bivalent boosters to perform. We need them to be markedly better than the ancestral shots which have largely been rendered moot at this stage.




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That's what you got out of that? The "you must be pro-Trump"
>if you at all question the public health response to the
>pandemic is beyond tired by now. Clearly Stadiq doesn't
>equivocate Biden w/ Trump in some simple simon way like you're
>implying. He's simply asking for this pandemic to not be
>politicized to where we champion one guy's failures while
>heaping all criticism on the other (despite the fact that
>they've both failed w/ this particular issue).

That's what's he's saying: The approaches and outcomes are the same.

Trump's strategy to ignore, suppress, tout magical cures, ignore any protocols, model bad behavior, and deny deny deny ..

EQUALS

Biden's policies on increasing testing, vaccine distribution, therapy distribution, quickened drug approval and modeling better behavior and acknowledging it's a serious ongoing problem.

That's exactly what he's fucking saying.



>Demanding better pharmaceutical products/vaccines to treat and
>prevent Covid from spreading *is* calling for solutions.
>Acknowledging that the vaccines have under-performed is simply
>being intellectually honest.

First, the vaccines likely prevented millions of deaths. If that's nothing something you recognize then just stop reading.

Did they stop 100%? or 90%? do they last forever? No.



>You can acknowledge that
>vaccines are vitally important to mitigate death while also
>calling for Pfizer and Moderna to run better trial data (via
>blind/controlled studies with large sample sizes that account
>for age/demo differences) and to produce better products that
>don't short-cut safety & efficacy trials.

So you're saying you want the data from the more traditional 5 to 10 year studies of vaccines before approval? So we'd have had the first injections in early 2026 - and that would be better that what is happening now? Or is there a magic lenght of time that you're willing to wait before getting them out? What's that perfect interval your suggesting - other than 'longer than now.'


>"Biden administration officials have argued that even as
>researchers work to understand how protective the new shots
>might be, inoculating Americans again in the coming weeks
>could help curb the persistently high number of infections and
>deaths."
>
>That's not exactly a resounding boast of confidence in the
>ability for these bivalent boosters to perform. We need them
>to be markedly better than the ancestral shots which have
>largely been rendered moot at this stage.
>
First, the original booster formulation is very effective if you get 1 shot, and then even more effective if you get 2;

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2115624#:~:text=Participants%20who%20received%20a%20booster,did%20not%20receive%20a%20booster.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/israeli-study-2nd-vaccine-booster-significantly-lowers-covid-death-rate-2022-03-27/

And since it's bivalent you get that advantage plus the new formualtion - and the effective data in humans will be gathered from people who get it now - you won't have to wait months or years.

There's a very high confidence that it won't be harmful, but you're advocating for delay?

And using that as to support the argument that you want more treatments *RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!!!!"??

And congress not authorizing money for COVID research, tetsing and vaccination is because Joe Biden and Donald trump are the same?

If you could get 20% of Republicans in congress to vote for the funding along with the 99% of Democrats in congress then we could fund more approaches.

But 99% of Republicans being against it is because Joe Biden in 2020 said Donald Trump's job performance was so poor is Joe Biden's fault??

Here's some Trump quotes for:

Oct 10,2020: But it’s going to disappear. It is disappearing. And vaccines are going to help, and the therapeutics are going to help a lot.

Oct 15,2020: The vaccine will end the pandemic. But it’s ending anyway. I mean, they go crazy when I say it. It’s going to peter out and it’s going to end. But we’re going to help the end and we’re gonna make it a lot faster with the vaccine and with the therapeutics and frankly with the cures.

Oct 16-,2020: Even without the vaccine, the pandemic’s going to end. It’s gonna run its course. It’s gonna end. They’ll go crazy. He said ‘without the vaccine’ — watch, it’ll be a headline tomorrow. These people are crazy. No, it’s running its course.


Show me ONE FUCKIGN QUOTE from Joe Biden advocating any shit like that.

That's the outrage against Trump - he did a fucking bad job.

No one expected Trump to magically cure it. No one expected him to raise the dead. But we did expect him to not push quack cures, suppress data, lie and generally be himself.




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>Trump's strategy to ignore, suppress, tout magical cures,
>ignore any protocols, model bad behavior, and deny deny deny
>..
>
>EQUALS
>
>Biden's policies on increasing testing, vaccine distribution,
>therapy distribution, quickened drug approval and modeling
>better behavior and acknowledging it's a serious ongoing
>problem.
>
>That's exactly what he's fucking saying.

Not so sure that's what he's saying (maybe he can clarify) - but that's not what I'm saying.

Has Biden done a better job than Trump? Sure, but that's a low bar, and it ignores the many institutional failures of Biden's response (including over-confidence in the vaccine and their ability to implement covid near-zero policies instead of just being honest about both the vaccine's performance and the nature of this virus).

But yea - it was refreshing to see a President actually acknowledge the problem in a more serious manner.

>First, the vaccines likely prevented millions of deaths. If
>that's nothing something you recognize then just stop
>reading.
>
>Did they stop 100%? or 90%? do they last forever? No.

Like I said - the vaccines have mitigated death and severity in a very real way. But have they curbed transmission/spread in a very real way? When you look at who's dying right now from Covid, many of these people are double/triple jabbed (or even more). The efficacy of the ancestral vaccines waned off significantly. Not sure why it's a problem to expect better products out of Pfizer and Moderna, particularly when we've heavily subsidized their R&D and efforts to stop the pandemic.

Even the CDC and Walensky have admitted many faults and errors in their approach to the pandemic. Not sure why you can't acknowledge even one thing that's been botched.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/17/us/politics/cdc-rochelle-walensky-covid.html

>So you're saying you want the data from the more traditional 5
>to 10 year studies of vaccines before approval? So we'd have
>had the first injections in early 2026 - and that would be
>better that what is happening now? Or is there a magic lenght
>of time that you're willing to wait before getting them out?
>What's that perfect interval your suggesting - other than
>'longer than now.

It'd be nice if the bivalent vaccines at least went through *some* kind of human trials before going to market, wouldn't it? Or do you not care at all?

It actually sounds like you're 100% in-line with Trump's operation Warp-Speed to fast-track the vaccine development and deployment into the market. Without that effort by Trump, the vaccines would've never hit market as fast as they did. But is that a good thing to skimp on important safety/efficacy analysis and then to demand that *everyone* get vaccinated with a one-size fits all policy?

Incidentally, the one-size fits all vaccine mandate push has been cited by many in the CDC as a grave mistake, because it was born on false premise: that getting vaccinated significantly thwarts transmission/spread. The miracle of the vaccines (which I've acknowledged time and time again) is to keep people from dying. Amazing accomplishment. But people were going about their lives assuming that if they were vaccinated, they would not get Covid, despite clear evidence to the contrary that was being ignored. How many lives were risked because of a false sense of security?


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>Has Biden done a better job than Trump? Sure, but that's a
>low bar, and it ignores the many institutional failures of
>Biden's response (including over-confidence in the vaccine and
>their ability to implement covid near-zero policies instead of
>just being honest about both the vaccine's performance and the
>nature of this virus).

"Whatever Biden's doing looks good ONLY because Trump sucked so much." Fuck that.. Biden got the vaccines distributed much faster than anyone expected AND while Trump was literally plotting to overtake the government after losing an election. And then you LIE abut Biden's positions. This saved scores of thousands of lives. Trump would not have rolled it out as effectively.

>Like I said - the vaccines have mitigated death and severity
>in a very real way. But have they curbed transmission/spread
>in a very real way? When you look at who's dying right now
>from Covid, many of these people are double/triple jabbed (or
>even more). The efficacy of the ancestral vaccines waned off
>significantly. Not sure why it's a problem to expect better
>products out of Pfizer and Moderna, particularly when we've
>heavily subsidized their R&D and efforts to stop the
>pandemic.

You're arguing a bunch of dishonesty again.

Biden did not said "Take this magic shot and everything will go back to normal immediately and all problems are solved for ever and ever amen."

I reject that. Unless you can point out where Biden or the CDC directed by Biden issue an edict "Stop trying to make better products!!! We have the CURE now, so STOP."


>Even the CDC and Walensky have admitted many faults and errors
>in their approach to the pandemic. Not sure why you can't
>acknowledge even one thing that's been botched.
>
>https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/17/us/politics/cdc-rochelle-walensky-covid.html

No one's saying there aren't faults. NO ONE EVER SAID, other than Donald Trump (and his ilk,) that the pandemic would just go away.

And the heading of that article is "Among other flaws, public guidance during the coronavirus pandemic was “confusing and overwhelming,” the agency said."

Meaning that people could not understand a changing message.

That's why Trump's message was so well received - it was always just lies and fantasy. But people can follow it - so I guess that's better somehow??


>It'd be nice if the bivalent vaccines at least went through
>*some* kind of human trials before going to market, wouldn't
>it? Or do you not care at all?

The bivalent vaccines did have a human trial.
Link: https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-omicron-adapted-covid-19

Moderna submitted human data too. The agency asked them to target BA.4 and BA.5 instead of BA.1 and determined that you didn't need to repeat the human trial one it. The change the spike they were targeting.

But it's a nice BUGAGOO for vax deniers, anyone trying to score political points OR people who don't know shit about shit to say "But they didn't repeat the steps of going through another human trial with the reformulated one." I'm supposed to believe that people who can't understand when guidance changes ALSO understand all the proper ways a stuff can be done??

Oh, there are *some* scientists who think the effort put into reformulating might have been better spent looking for other things like a pan-corona vaccines or nasal sprays - but they aren't saying the new vaccines harmful or even that it might nowt help. We have 450 people dying in the U.S. a day, that's over 160,000 a year and improving that my a small percentage could save 10s of thousands of lives.

(Now tell me there weren't enough participants in the trial - or it wasn't long enough - I'm waiting.)


>It actually sounds like you're 100% in-line with Trump's
>operation Warp-Speed to fast-track the vaccine development and
>deployment into the market. Without that effort by Trump, the
>vaccines would've never hit market as fast as they did. But
>is that a good thing to skimp on important safety/efficacy
>analysis and then to demand that *everyone* get vaccinated
>with a one-size fits all policy?

First off that's one thing I'll give Trump credit on - he didn't completely stop vaccine development and he let himself be talked into Operation Warp Speed .

Not for ONE SECOND should you think he championed it - but again, he also didn't stop it. A legion of people had to kiss his ass for months - and as good Americans they did it.

When Trump he found out that the vaccines would not be done in time for the election he basically gave up on putting any personal effort into it. The man who wouldn't wear mask.

Remember his lies in early November after he lost the election: https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-ap-fact-check-donald-trump-business-virus-outbreak-108077c4b716db604ee49b42c6d64af0

Trump was ONLY looking at the vaccines in terms of his election - but again I will give him credit in not stopping Operation Warp Speed.

He didn't announce his vaccination. He didn't share anything about it in a meaningful way - and by meaningful I mean talk for more than 10 minutes total and about advise people to get vaccinated. He literally is "Truthing" about miracle cures again.

As to one size fits all - Trump DID push hydro-chloroquine and other scam cures as much as the vaccine - so I guess that meets your definition of "not a one-size fits all policy."


Trump's no hero here, but I'll give him credit - he didn't kill the program. And that program saved lives.

>
>Incidentally, the one-size fits all vaccine mandate push has
>been cited by many in the CDC as a grave mistake, because it
>was born on false premise: that getting vaccinated
>significantly thwarts transmission/spread.

First off, it DID significantly thwart the chance of infection and transmission of the original strain.

AND THEY ALWAYS SAID THAT IF THE VIRUS MUTATED IT MAY NO LONGER BE AS EFFECTIVE IN PREVENTING TRANSMISSION. (I got delta - I know it didn't prevent it.)

They consistently said that variants and mutations would pose risks. It's dishonest to ignore that. And it's dishonest to pretend that Biden or this administration stopped searching for other treatments and therapeutics.

> But people
>were going about their lives assuming that if they were
>vaccinated, they would not get Covid, despite clear evidence
>to the contrary that was being ignored.


>How many lives were risked because of a false sense of security?
ONLY TRUMP SAID THAT!!!! Only Trump preached the certainty of everything going back to normal.

Biden did not. Biden always said that vaccines are our best tools. Then he continued funding and pushed to get therapists approved. And he's still doing it - all while EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN REFUSES TO FUND RESEARCH, PAY FOR CONTINUING TEST AND VACCINATION OR OFFER ANY OTHER APPROACHES.


Here's the "Why he do dat???" moment your referring to but not addressing:

The change around masking in May of 2021:
Biden did say "If you got vaccinated you can stop wearing mask" after months of people saying "If I still have to wear a mask then why the fuck would I get vaccinated??"

That wasn't Biden giving up. That wasn't Biden selling a magical cure. That was an administration trying to do harm reduction. When something is clearly not working IRL than you have to find the next best approach.

People were not getting vaccinated - and people were also not masking any more in a lot of the country. So he made that adjustment and he knew it was a balancing of reality vs. the better approach.

I never heard him say the shit you apparently heard him say .







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>That's what you got out of that? The "you must be pro-Trump"
>>if you at all question the public health response to the
>>pandemic is beyond tired by now. Clearly Stadiq doesn't
>>equivocate Biden w/ Trump in some simple simon way like
>you're
>>implying. He's simply asking for this pandemic to not be
>>politicized to where we champion one guy's failures while
>>heaping all criticism on the other (despite the fact that
>>they've both failed w/ this particular issue).
>
>That's what's he's saying: The approaches and outcomes are the
>same.

No I'm not. Plenty of posts from me on the importance of vaccines, praising the initial roll out, etc.


What I'm doing is calling out your hypocritical bullshit and lack of nuance.

Because its OUR SIDE, you refuse to think critically, expect more, or even engage in an honest way.


If Donald Trump had declared the pandemic over, told everyone the vaccines will magically stop you from getting or spreading covid, told everyone to get their asses back to work, ignored 3k deaths per week, etc etc...this thread would be completely different.

COMPLETELY different.





>
>Trump's strategy to ignore, suppress, tout magical cures,
>ignore any protocols, model bad behavior, and deny deny deny
>..
>
>EQUALS
>
>Biden's policies on increasing testing, vaccine distribution,
>therapy distribution, quickened drug approval and modeling
>better behavior and acknowledging it's a serious ongoing
>problem.
>
>That's exactly what he's fucking saying.


No its not. That's your reflex because for some odd reason you are emotionally invested in people not thinking Joe Biden is a bad guy.

Its legit weird.


On that note...how is declaring the pandemic over modeling better behavior?


Where is the warp speed for better/nasal vaccines?

Better access to treatment? lol...want to hear how long it took me (high risk) to track down evusheld?


As I've told you at least 5 times now


Biden>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump


But just because thats true, doesn't mean we cant expect more and be honest about this admin's failures and similarities on some topics.

To that note, Joe Biden has absolutely put the economy and his own reputation/legacy over actually solving this pandemic.

Just like Trump did.

That doesn't mean they are the same in all cases...just in their priorities.




>
>
>
>>Demanding better pharmaceutical products/vaccines to treat
>and
>>prevent Covid from spreading *is* calling for solutions.
>>Acknowledging that the vaccines have under-performed is
>simply
>>being intellectually honest.
>
>First, the vaccines likely prevented millions of deaths. If
>that's nothing something you recognize then just stop
>reading.

RIGHT HERE

He didn't say that. He didn't say the vaccines were bad.

He said they underperfomed when compared to how they were presented/sold.

That is absolutely true.

Why can't you just admit that?

>
>Did they stop 100%? or 90%? do they last forever? No.
>
>
>
>>You can acknowledge that
>>vaccines are vitally important to mitigate death while also
>>calling for Pfizer and Moderna to run better trial data (via
>>blind/controlled studies with large sample sizes that
>account
>>for age/demo differences) and to produce better products
>that
>>don't short-cut safety & efficacy trials.
>
>So you're saying you want the data from the more traditional 5
>to 10 year studies of vaccines before approval? So we'd have
>had the first injections in early 2026 - and that would be
>better that what is happening now? Or is there a magic lenght
>of time that you're willing to wait before getting them out?
>What's that perfect interval your suggesting - other than
>'longer than now.'
>

Ironic here that the vaccines were developed under cheeto hitler.


Where is Biden's warp speed???

>
>>"Biden administration officials have argued that even as
>>researchers work to understand how protective the new shots
>>might be, inoculating Americans again in the coming weeks
>>could help curb the persistently high number of infections
>and
>>deaths."
>>
>>That's not exactly a resounding boast of confidence in the
>>ability for these bivalent boosters to perform. We need
>them
>>to be markedly better than the ancestral shots which have
>>largely been rendered moot at this stage.
>>
>First, the original booster formulation is very effective if
>you get 1 shot, and then even more effective if you get 2;
>
>https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2115624#:~:text=Participants%20who%20received%20a%20booster,did%20not%20receive%20a%20booster.
>
>https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/israeli-study-2nd-vaccine-booster-significantly-lowers-covid-death-rate-2022-03-27/
>
>And since it's bivalent you get that advantage plus the new
>formualtion - and the effective data in humans will be
>gathered from people who get it now - you won't have to wait
>months or years.
>
>There's a very high confidence that it won't be harmful, but
>you're advocating for delay?
>
>And using that as to support the argument that you want more
>treatments *RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!!!!"??
>
>And congress not authorizing money for COVID research, tetsing
>and vaccination is because Joe Biden and Donald trump are the
>same?
>
>If you could get 20% of Republicans in congress to vote for
>the funding along with the 99% of Democrats in congress then
>we could fund more approaches.
>
>But 99% of Republicans being against it is because Joe Biden
>in 2020 said Donald Trump's job performance was so poor is Joe
>Biden's fault??
>

How is declaring the pandemic over fit in with this "Joe Biden is doing all he can blame gop" narrative??


>Here's some Trump quotes for:
>
>Oct 10,2020: But it’s going to disappear. It is
>disappearing. And vaccines are going to help, and the
>therapeutics are going to help a lot.
>
>Oct 15,2020: The vaccine will end the pandemic. But it’s
>ending anyway. I mean, they go crazy when I say it. It’s
>going to peter out and it’s going to end. But we’re going
>to help the end and we’re gonna make it a lot faster with
>the vaccine and with the therapeutics and frankly with the
>cures.
>
>Oct 16-,2020: Even without the vaccine, the pandemic’s going
>to end. It’s gonna run its course. It’s gonna end.
>They’ll go crazy. He said ‘without the vaccine’ —
>watch, it’ll be a headline tomorrow. These people are crazy.
>No, it’s running its course.
>
>
>Show me ONE FUCKIGN QUOTE from Joe Biden advocating any shit
>like that.
>
>That's the outrage against Trump - he did a fucking bad job.
>
>No one expected Trump to magically cure it. No one expected
>him to raise the dead. But we did expect him to not push quack
>cures, suppress data, lie and generally be himself.
>
>
>
>
>


I think you get so worked up because you know I'm right. I'm pissed about it too- thats the point.

I didn't expect much from a Biden admin. In all honesty, he over delivered on a few things.


But I did expect a much better, much more compassionate, less rush to declare victory, more effective response to COVID.


I think you did too and thats why you get worked up when I and others point it out.


Your boy told everyone that vaccines will stop you from getting and spreading COVID. He told everyone to take their masks off if vaccinated. He has failed to run an effective campaign to increase vaccine compliance. He gave up on fighting for vaccine or mask mandates. There has been no warp speed investment into better vaccines. Test to treat was a fucking lie. The treatments that are out there are very difficult to get. And now he is declaring its over.


This admin's quick move to individual responsibility on this has left many- especially high risk, disabled, etc- out in the cold on their own.


If Donald Trump or Desantis or hell Bernie Sanders had done the above, the tone of this thread would be much different. And it would be much busier, of course.

Step back and think about it. The double standards are insane.

  

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Whole thread-

https://twitter.com/wsbgnl/status/1564840671164256256


Ouch-

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1319446692236791814



It is absolutely incredible how standards/expectations completely changed when our side took over.


LOL you gotta stop looking at this shit like team sports, man.

  

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https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2022-09-01/09-COVID-Hall-508.pdf

tldr;
Bivalent Pfizer and Moderna boosters authorized.
Eligible 2 months after primary series or booster.
Old monovalent boosters not authorized if over 12 years of age.
No boosters for under 12 still.
Jannsen and Novavax inoculated can use either booster.
Evushield still recommended for those who can not take vaccine.
Flu shot and any other vaccine is okay to give at same time.
Check you local resources for availability.

Swipe:
On August 31, 2022:
– Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine, Bivalent authorized for use in people ages
18 years and older.
– Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, Bivalent authorized for use in
people ages 12 years and older
▪ Authorized as single booster dose administered at least 2 months after either:
– Completion of primary vaccination with any authorized or approved
monovalent COVID-19 vaccine, or
– Receipt of the most recent booster dose with any authorized or
approved monovalent COVID-19 vaccine
mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines No Longer

--
mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines No Longer Authorized as
Booster Doses for People Ages 12 Years and Older
▪ Monovalent mRNA COVID-19 vaccines are no longer authorized as booster doses for individuals ages 12 years and older, meaning monovalent booster doses can no longer be given to people ages 12 years and older, even if the person had not previously received a monovalent booster dose

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▪ Everyone ages 12 years and older is recommended to receive 1 ageappropriate bivalent mRNA booster dose after completion of any FDAapproved or FDA-authorized monovalent primary series or last monovalent booster dose.
– People cannot get a bivalent booster without first completing at least a primary series
– Age-appropriate homologous and heterologous boosters allowed;
there is no preference
▪ At this time, no changes to schedules for children ages 6 months through 11 years

---

Coadministration of Influenza with COVID-19 Vaccines
▪ Providers should offer influenza and COVID-19 vaccines at the same visit, if
eligible.
– This includes adjuvanted or high-dose influenza vaccines; administer in separate limbs.
▪ With both influenza and SARS-CoV-2 circulating, getting both vaccines is important for prevention of severe disease, hospitalization, and death.
▪ Getting both vaccines at the same visit increases the chance that a person will be up to date with their vaccinations

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Boosters are out and available now. I got mine at CVS inside of Target.

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I was calling the pharmacy about a regular prescription and they said they had it, got mine over the weekend

I had maybe the most mild sense of feeling like I was getting a little sick but that was it

my wife has had stronger reactions, and she got hers Monday and while it hasn't been as bad as the previous shots, she was still feeling pretty bad for a couple of days, so ymmv

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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Dems try to get COVID funding and GUESS WHAT the Republicans say?? Literally one Senator compared the request to alcoholics on a binge.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/07/senate-gop-biden-covid-monkeypox-00055201

In interviews Wednesday, GOP senators said they were skeptical of the Biden administration’s $22.4 billion request for Covid money, as well as its $4.5 billion request for combating monkeypox — citing unspent money and frustration with what they view as Democrats’ previous spending largesse.

“They do $1.9 trillion in March of last year, which ignited inflation, and now they just write off — I think illegally — student loans for another $300 billion?” said Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-La.), who opposes adding Covid and monkeypox money to the short-term funding package. “And now they’re coming back for more. At some point you’ve got to tell the alcoholic no.”

Senate Minority Whip John Thune (R-S.D.), meanwhile, said that generally speaking there’s “zero interest in Covid or monkeypox” funding among Senate Republicans and predicted “this process will get really messy the more things they try to drop in.”

--
Maybe good news:
Two antibodies identified in Israel can fight all known COVID strains, study finds
Infusible to patients, antibodies are so powerful neutralizing the coronavirus they could eliminate the need for more vaccine boosters, peer-reviewed research says

https://www.timesofisrael.com/two-antibodies-identified-in-israel-can-fight-all-known-covid-strains-study-finds/

A research team at Tel Aviv University experimented with numerous antibodies and found that two in particular neutralize all known strains of the coronavirus, including Delta and Omicron, in a lab setting.

“According to our findings, the effectiveness of the first antibody, TAU-1109, in neutralizing the Omicron strain is 92 percent, and in neutralizing the Delta strain, 90%,” Freund said.

“The second antibody, TAU-2310, neutralizes the Omicron variant with an efficacy of 84%, and the Delta variant with an efficacy of 97%,” she added.

The antibodies are named TAU because they were identified at Tel Aviv University.
--

And a different one:
https://www.prevention.com/health/a41092334/antibody-neutralize-covid-variants/

cientists Discovered an Antibody That Can Take Out All COVID-19 Variants
And they hope to create a new vaccine with it.

What is SP1-77?
SP1-77 is an antibody developed by researchers that so far can neutralize all forms of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. It was created after researchers modified a mouse model that was originally made to search for broadly neutralizing antibodies to HIV, which also mutates.

The mice used in the study have built-in human immune systems that mimic the way our immune systems develop better antibodies when we’re exposed to a pathogen. The researchers inserted two human gene segments into the mice, which then created a range of antibodies that humans might make. The mice were then exposed to SARS-CoV-2’s spike protein (which is what the virus uses to latch onto your cells) and produced nine different families of antibodies that bound to the spike protein to try to neutralize it.

Those antibodies were then tested and one—SP1-77—was able to neutralize Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta, and all Omicron strains (including the current circulating ones) of COVID-19.


EDIT: But bad news too:
New Omicron offshoot BA.4.6 evades protection of Evusheld's antibodies, study finds
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/07/health/evusheld-antibodies-omicron-ba-4-6/index.html

he antibodies in Evusheld, the only therapy available to protect people with reduced immune function against Covid-19, may lose their punch against the BA.4.6 subvariant, a new study shows.

BA.4.6 is an offshoot of the BA.4 subvariant of the Omicron coronavirus variant. Only a couple of mutations separate it from its predecessor, but it is slowly gaining ground in the United States, even against BA.5, which continues to dominate transmission.

BA.4.6 is now causing an estimated 7% to 10% of new Covid-19 infections, according to data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. It is particularly prevalent in the Midwest, where it is causing an estimated 18% of new infections.

Evusheld is a combination of two long-lasting, lab-created antibodies made by AstraZeneca. When given every six months, it can prevent a Covid-19 infection in people who may not get enough protection from vaccines because their immune system can't respond effectively to them. The CDC estimates that about 7 million Americans could benefit from the protection of Evusheld.


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419. "Paul Offit Votes Against Bivalent Boosters"
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Scientific Debate is spirited - and confidence in these boosters to substantively out-perform the ancestral shots is waning.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-02806-5

https://www.science.org/content/article/omicron-booster-shots-are-coming-lots-questions

Offit's views:

https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/faustfiles/100026

TLDR: Offit's view is that these bivalent boosters may benefit the most vulnerable, but are not meaningful in halting infection or in providing additional benefit to those who are vaccinated with primary series (who still retain protection against severe outcomes/hospitalization/death).

Also cited the lack of human data (and indeed, *any* data) as problematic. He's also against wider mandates.

If you're vaccinated, younger and low risk, probably wise to save resources for those who need it most.

  

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420. "^^Post designed to seem reasonable but mainly just to cast doubt"
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Orfitt's position is that he wants clinical data to prove every step in the process BEFORE making any changes. (That is the traditional model in the U.S.)

The difference here is that it's a FUCKING PANDEMIC THAT HAS KILLED OVER 1,000,000 AMERICANS ALREADY and THE VIRUS IS MUTATING FASTER THAN THE CLINICAL TRIALS TRADIONALLY USED ARE RUN.

And he further says he's in favor of "up to date" vaccination for at risk people - so he's not even against updating the vaccine - he just wants it administered in a specific way - and he's seemingly fine if not at risk people get sick or die because it's a low percentage.

He's literally just saying the original vaccine protects most from severe disease so let's move back to the traditional model or research AND Why not stop spending a lot of resources on this and spend it on other avenues (--but for some reason you can't do both.)



He also argues that getting a booster will give people a false sense of security and they'll actually be more likely to do unsafe things. (Seems like the argument against birth control to me.)


Here's his opinion from June 29th::https://www.statnews.com/2022/06/29/fda-dont-rush-to-change-covid-19-vaccine-composition/

"It isn’t likely that an Omicron-based booster will be a magic bullet, although it might be perceived that way. It is essential to avoid offering people a false sense of security. Those who recently received an Omicron booster should not think they are now bulletproof against SARS-CoV-2 and increase their infection risk by altering their behavior. There are signs that behavioral changes may already be visible in infection statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

A multibillion-dollar decision to launch a vaccine based wholly or in part on the BA.1, BA.4, or BA.5 sequence that would affect more than 100 million people need not be unduly rushed. A decision of this magnitude should be based on as much expertise and analysis as is reasonably practical. Our joint concern is that this may not be what happens in the coming days, when the FDA will likely accept the majority advice given by its advisory committee without fully weighing what the exact composition of the new vaccine should be, and assessing whether it confers significant advantages over the current vaccine. Using an additional week or two to obtain more input seems a prudent step to take."

Oriftt's approach: Slow down the process. Get more data , assess it, and then implement it.

Doesn't seem entirely ethical to me - having people wait 6-12 months and the 75,000 to 150,000 deaths that could have in part been prevented.


I disagree with his approach, and so did almost 90% of the panel.

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454. "if by "cast doubt" you mean critical thinking - sure."
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>Orfitt's position is that he wants clinical data to prove
>every step in the process BEFORE making any changes. (That is
>the traditional model in the U.S.)

Nah. His position is this: unless you're in a very high risk-group, there is no evidence to support recommending (let alone mandating) bivalent boosters to those who've already had the primary series, boosters and/or been naturally infected. Offit argues that those who have been double/triple-jabbed already - and those who've recovered from Covid infection - already have more than sufficient protection against severity and are unlikely to benefit further from yet another shot that isn't effective at halting transmission (but is effective at mitigating severity if you do not have prior acquired immunity via vaccination and/or prior infection).

Here's Offit in his own words:

“The question was, who was benefiting from that third dose or that fourth dose? Was it everybody? Was it a healthy 25-year-old? Or were there just certain select groups that were benefiting from that additional dose? And the answer is, just certain select groups. No. 1, far and away, older people. And by that, I mean really older people. People over 75. The other group was people who had the kind of serious health problems where even if they had a mild illness, they could still end up in the hospital. And then the third group, to a lesser extent, were people who were immunocompromised. That’s who was benefiting from that third or fourth dose.”

The primary utility of these vaccines is to stave off severity, *not* prevent transmission. That's why almost every expert agrees that getting vaccinated *before* getting Covid is a good idea for almost every single age group (but not all age groups). Where the science isn't clear is on additional benefit conferred by these boosters after having already acquired vaccinated immunity/natural immunity/hybrid immunity.

Most people (whether in a high risk group or not) have already had Covid *and* multiple shots of Covid vaccine within the past 12-18 months. Will they actually benefit further from another booster shot? You seem to not care enough to want to know.

>And he further says he's in favor of "up to date" vaccination
>for at risk people - so he's not even against updating the
>vaccine - he just wants it administered in a specific way -
>and he's seemingly fine if not at risk people get sick or die
>because it's a low percentage.

No - he's absolutely not "fine if not at-risk people get sick or die" and this is an absurd character smear attempt. You're really accusing Paul Offit - a pro-vaccine icon and author of “Deadly Choices: How the Anti-Vaccine Movement Threatens Us All” - of not caring whether people die simply because he's demanding evidence? lol ok.

You would rather have people just rubber stamp the boosters with no critical scientific evaluation?

Offit (and many of his peers) are simply asking that these Giant Pharma companies (drowning in cash) conduct the randomized trials in a far more thorough manner than is presently being demanded of them, in large-part because of attitudes like yours which simply acquiesce to anything Pfizer/Moderna claims without subjecting it to requisite scrutiny.

You advocate a one-size fits all approach that fails to account for any individualized risk/benefit analysis. We should not only be demanding better products from these Pharma giants, but better data as well.

>Oriftt's approach: Slow down the process. Get more data ,
>assess it, and then implement it.
>
>Doesn't seem entirely ethical to me - having people wait 6-12
>months and the 75,000 to 150,000 deaths that could have in
>part been prevented.

Your assumption that 75k to 150k deaths will be saved *only* if people take these bivalent boosters immediately is not supported by data. Your arguments hinge more on dogma than science-based evidence.

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421. "09/12/2022"
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COVID-19 Boosters Help Keep People Out of the Hospital, Study Finds
https://time.com/6211921/covid-19-booster-efficacy/

As new Omicron-specific boosters become available in the U.S., a study published today in JAMA Internal Medicine emphasizes the importance and success of boosters in keeping people infected with COVID-19 out of the hospital.

The researchers analyzed data from more than 192,000 adults in 13 U.S. states who had been hospitalized with COVID-19 between January and April 2022 —when the original Omicron variant was at its peak. During this time, unvaccinated people were 10.5 times more likely to be hospitalized than people who had been fully vaccinated and boosted (with the original version of the booster). People who were vaccinated but not boosted were 2.5 times more likely to end up in the hospital than those who had received a booster.


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Even in 2022, L.A. COVID death rate is worse than car crashes. Here’s why
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-09-09/even-in-2022-l-a-covid-death-rate-worse-than-car-crashes

The Omicron coronavirus variant killed Angelenos at a higher rate than both the flu and car crashes during the early part of 2022, according to county health officials.

An analysis of death certificates from January to April found that there were 31.8 deaths from COVID-19 for every 100,000 residents of all ages in Los Angeles County. That’s nine times the comparable rate for motor vehicle deaths and more than five times that of flu and pneumonia over the same time, Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer said.

During that period, there were 3.5 deaths from motor vehicle crashes for every 100,000 residents, and 5.9 deaths from the flu and pneumonia for every 100,000 residents.

Much has been said about Omicron causing milder illnesses than earlier variants — though it’s also probable that higher vaccination rates, anti-COVID-19 drugs and increased immunity from past infections all played a role in blunting the severity of the latest fall and winter wave.

While that’s true, COVID-19 continues to have deadly consequences. More than 4,800 COVID-associated deaths have been recorded this year in the nation’s most populous county — 25% in residents younger than 65.

Recent death rate data by age group underscore the still-potent power of Omicron. Between May and July, the death rate for L.A. County residents age 80 and older was three times the rate from those same months in 2021. For adults 65 to 79, the death rate was 1½ times that of the prior year. By contrast, death rates fell among younger adults.

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422. "09/13/2022"
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There are 4 approved mucosal vaccines now - but they're in Russia, Iran, India and China. Think we're still a year away in the U.S. unless they do a warp speed type program and get funding. 3 of the 4 on the list don't have great vaccine track records.



China and India approve nasal COVID vaccines — are they a game changer?
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-02851-0

Two needle-free COVID-19 vaccines that are delivered through the nose or mouth have been approved for use in China and India. China’s new vaccine, announced on Sunday, is inhaled through the nose and mouth as an aerosolized mist, and India’s, announced on Tuesday, is administered as drops in the nose.

These mucosal vaccines target thin mucous membranes that line the nose, mouth and lungs. By prompting immune responses where SARS-CoV-2 first enters the body, mucosal vaccines could, in theory, prevent even mild cases of illness and block transmission to other people — something COVID-19 shots have been unable to do. Vaccines that produce sterilizing immunity would be game changing for the pandemic.

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Andy Slavitt wrote an article for The Atlantic explaining the "commercialization" or COVID unless the government continues funding it.

Remember Biden's asking only $22 billion .

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/09/pandemic-covid-cost-commercialization-consumers/671309/



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435. "so why isn't there one?"
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>Think we're still a year away
>in the U.S. unless they do a warp speed type program and get
>funding.

Why isn't there a warp speed type program to develop something here?


Like it or not, this admin appears to be firmly in the pocket of Pfizer...and are putting the economy/appearances over actual human lives.



  

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442. "Operation Warp Speed is still going on, in a different name"
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>>Think we're still a year away
>>in the U.S. unless they do a warp speed type program and get
>>funding.
>
>Why isn't there a warp speed type program to develop something
>here?

There is, but it has not received any funding since the CARES act in 2020. And it's almost out of money.

>Like it or not, this admin appears to be firmly in the pocket
>of Pfizer...and are putting the economy/appearances over
>actual human lives.


And congress has been BLOCKED by Republicans with additional funding requests since Trump left office.

You want to make it seem like Biden isn't trying to fund research - that's simply not true. He's funding research NOW. But once the money is gone he can't.

(Would I advocate for much more money and much more effort if a perfect world - FUCK YES.)

The real reason is Republicans are dishonestly refusing to help - and then blaming everything on Biden. It's there ACTAUAL sustained
ongoing strategy.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/20/gop-balks-covid-funding-after-biden-declares-pandemic-is-over/

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423. "9/15/2022 (Not even 10 months in)"
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I had Jury Duty yesterday and was in a room with 200+ people for 7 hours. Even with the mask on we'll see if I get it. Co-worker got it this week.



End of Covid-19 pandemic is in sight, WHO director-general says, ‘so let’s seize this opportunity’
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/14/health/pandemic-end-in-sight-who/index.html

The world has never been in a better position to end the Covid-19 pandemic, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, director-general of the World Health Organization, said in a news briefing in Geneva on Wednesday.

“Last week, the number of weekly reported deaths from Covid-19 was the lowest since March 2020,” he said. “We have never been in a better position to end the pandemic. We’re not there yet, but the end is in sight.

“A marathon runner does not stop when the finish line comes into view; she runs harder with all the energy she has left,” Tedros said. “So must we. We can see the finish line, we are in a winning position, but now is the worst time to stop running. Now is the time to run harder and make sure we cross the line and reap the rewards of all our hard work.”

There is still a risk of more variants, deaths, disruption and uncertainty, he said, “so let’s seize this opportunity.”

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424. "09/16/2022"
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But here's a good podcast about the boosters:

In the Bubble with Andy Slavitt: Your Guide to the New COVID Vaccines (with Ashish Jha)

https://overcast.fm/+trl2k3hvg


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Warning: Lots of articles coming soon about "Covid is the flu, just chillax man." Lots of folks are HOPING for a bad flu season and a 'mild' COVID season to bolster the point.


Scientists debate how lethal COVID is. Some say it's now less risky than flu

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/09/16/1122650502/scientists-debate-how-lethal-covid-is-some-say-its-now-less-risky-than-flu

Has COVID-19 become no more dangerous than the flu for most people?

That's a question that scientists are debating as the country heads into a third pandemic winter. Early in the pandemic, COVID was estimated to be 10 times more lethal than the flu, fueling many people's fears.

"We have all been questioning, 'When does COVID look like influenza?''' says Dr. Monica Gandhi, an infectious disease specialist at the University of California, San Francisco. "And, I would say, 'Yes, we are there.'"

Gandhi and other researchers argue that most people today have enough immunity — gained from vaccination, infection or both — to protect them against getting seriously ill from COVID. And this is especially so since the omicron variant doesn't appear to make people as sick as earlier strains, Gandhi says.

So unless a more virulent variant emerges, COVID's menace has diminished considerably for most people, which means that they can go about their daily lives, says Gandhi, "in a way that you used to live with endemic seasonal flu."

But there's still plenty of differing views on this topic. While the threat from COVID-19 may be approaching the peril the flu poses, skeptics doubt it's hit that point yet.

"I'm sorry — I just disagree," says Dr. Anthony Fauci, the White House's medical adviser, and director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. "The severity of one compared to the other is really quite stark. And the potential to kill of one versus the other is really quite stark."

The new COVID booster could be the last you'll need for a year, federal officials say
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The new COVID booster could be the last you'll need for a year, federal officials say
COVID is still killing hundreds of people every day, which means more than 125,000 additional COVID deaths could occur over the next 12 month if deaths continue at that pace, Fauci notes. COVID has already killed more than 1 million Americans and it was the third leading cause of death in 2021.

A bad flu season kills about 50,000 people.

"COVID is a much more serious public health issue than is influenza," Fauci says, noting this is especially true for older people, the group at the highest risk dying from the disease.

Debating the way deaths are counted
The debate over COVID's mortality rate hinges on what counts as a COVID death. Gandhi and other researchers argue that the daily death toll attributed to COVID is exaggerated because many deaths blamed on the disease are actually from other causes. Some of the people who died for other reasons happened to also test positive for the coronavirus.

"We are now seeing consistently that more than 70% of our COVID hospitalizations are in that category," says Dr. Shira Doron, an infectious disease specialist and professor at Tufts University School of Medicine. "If you're counting them all as hospitalizations, and then those people die and you count them all as COVID deaths, you are pretty dramatically overcounting."

If deaths were classified more accurately, than the daily death toll would be closer to the toll the flu takes during a typical season, Doron says. If this is true, the odds of a person dying if they get a COVID infection — what's called the case fatality rate — would be about the same as the flu now, which is estimated to be around 0.1%, or perhaps even lower.

In a new report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention published Thursday, researchers attempted to filter out other deaths to analyze mortality rates for people hospitalized "primarily for COVID-19." They find the death rate has dropped significantly in the omicron era, compared to the delta period.

But Fauci argues that it's difficult to distinguish between deaths that are caused "because of" COVID and those "with" COVID. The disease has been found to put stress on many systems of the body.

"What's the difference with someone who has mild congestive heart failure, goes into the hospital and gets COVID, and then dies from profound congestive heart failure?" he asks. "Is that with COVID or because of COVID? COVID certainly contributed to it."

A second reason many experts estimate that COVID's mortality rate is probably lower than it appears is that many infections aren't being reported now because of home testing.

The fatality rate is a ratio — the number of deaths over the number of confirmed cases — so if there are more actual cases, that means that the likelihood of an individual dying is lower.

"I believe that we have reached the point where, for an individual, COVID poses less of a risk of hospitalization and death than does influenza," Doron says.

Dr. Ashish Jha, the White House COVID-19 response coordinator, agrees, especially because the vaccines and treatments for COVID are better than those for the flu.

"If you are up-to-date on your vaccines today, and you avail yourself of the treatments, your chances of dying COVID are vanishingly rare and certainly much lower than your risk of getting into trouble with the flu," Jha told NPR.

Risk remains high for the elderly and frail
But Jha stresses that omicron is so contagious and is infecting so many people that it overall "on a population level poses a much greater threat to the American population than flu does," and it can still cause a greater number of total deaths.

And, mortality rates for any disease vary by age and other demographic factors. Importantly, COVID remains much more lethal for older and medically frail people than younger people. Recent data from the CDC shows that compared to 18- to 29-year-olds, people aged 65 to 74 have 60 times the risk of dying; those aged 75 to 84 have 140 times the risk; and those 85 and older have 330 times greater risk.

The danger is especially high for those not vaccinated, boosted and treated properly. And with COVID still spreading widely, they remain vulnerable to exposure from social contact.

While younger, otherwise healthy people can sometimes get very sick and even die from COVID, that's gotten rare.

"I think it's really important people have an accurate sense of the reality in order to go about their lives," says Dr. Jake Scott, an infectious disease specialist at Stanford University. "If their risk assessments are being driven by or influenced by these overestimated hospitalization and death rates, I think that's problematic."

Waiting to see if the pattern in confirmed
Other researchers still argue that COVID remains far riskier than the flu.

"However you slice it, there was never an instance where COVID-19 was milder than the flu," says Dr. Ziyad Al-Aly of Washington University in St. Louis, who has done research comparing COVID to the flu.

"We've never, ever in the history of the pandemic, in all our studies from the beginning until now, have found that COVID-19 is equally risky to the flu," Al-Aly says. "It's always carried a higher risk."

Some experts are waiting for more data showing a clear trend in reduced mortality rates.

"I'll probably feel more comfortable saying something like, 'Oh COVID is similar to the flu' when we actually see a pattern that resembles that," says Dr. Jeremy Faust, an emergency physician at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston in the division of health policy and public health. "We're sort of just starting to see that, and I haven't really seen that in a sustained way."

Many also point out that COVID can increase the risk of experiencing long-term health problems, such as long COVID.

"Even people with mild to moderate symptoms from COVID can end up with long COVID," Fauci says. "That doesn't happen with influenza. It's a totally different ball game."

But Gandhi also questions that. Much of the estimated risk for long COVID comes from people who got seriously ill at the start of the pandemic, she says. And if you account for that, the risk of long-term health problems may not be greater from COVID than from other viral infections like the flu, she says.

"It was really severe COVID that led to long COVID. And as the disease has become milder, we're seeing lower rates of long COVID," Gandhi says.

In fact, some experts even fear that this year's flu season could be more severe than this winter's COVID surge. After very mild or even non-existent flu seasons during the pandemic, the flu hit Australia hard this year. And what happens in the Southern hemisphere often predicts what happens in North America.

"If we have a serious influenza season, and if the omicron variants continue to cause principally mild disease, this coming winter could be a much worse flu season than COVID," says Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease researcher at Vanderbilt University.


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425. "9/18/2022 - Biden declares pandemic over - fucking disaster"
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I disagree with Biden and the WHO. The definition of a pandemic is NOT just how many people DIE. The sheet amount of the disease in circulation, the strain on the hospitals, and the misery is not over.

Look now for Republicans to increase pressure to remove ANY public health policies and stop funding ANY public health now - meaning more of the same - but now they can point to this to make it seem "reasonable."


I'm almost CERTAIN he's not advocating "just give up" but that's how it WILL be spun. I'm sure his policies around prevention, vaccination, and research for ne treatments remains the same - but this headline will overshadow all of that.

It's a fucking disaster.


Biden on ‘60 Minutes’: ‘The pandemic is over’
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/18/joe-biden-pandemic-60-minutes-00057423?wdqwd

President Joe Biden said “the pandemic is over” in discussing Covid during an interview that aired on Sunday evening on CBS’ “60 Minutes.”

“The pandemic is over,” the president told Scott Pelley as they talked last week at the Detroit Auto Show. “We still have a problem with Covid. We’re still doing a lot of work on it ... but the pandemic is over. if you notice, no one’s wearing masks. Everybody seems to be in pretty good shape. And so I think it’s changing.”

Despite Biden’s statement, Covid has continued to exact a toll in the United States and around the world. The John Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center lists more than 2 million Covid cases in the country in the last 28 days, with hundreds dying from the disease every day.

Biden’s insistence on Sunday night that the pandemic is over caught several of his own health officials by surprise. The declaration was not part of his planned remarks ahead of the “60 Minutes” interview, two administration officials familiar with the matter told POLITICO.

Later in the interview, Biden was clear that he didn’t take the overall effects of the pandemic lightly.

“The impact on the psyche of the American people as a consequence of the pandemic is profound,” he said. “Think of how that has changed everything. You know, people’s attitudes about themselves, their families, about the state of the nation, about the state of their communities. And so there’s a lot of uncertainty out there, a great deal of uncertainty. And we lost a million people.”

Biden’s statement was the most definite one he has made about the pandemic since assuming the presidency in January 2021. He was less definitive when asked whether he planned to seek reelection.

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428. "People are quick to point out Abbott and DeSantis using human lives for "
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political gains
Isn't Biden doing the same?
A stronger economy goes a long way in elections
and I can't think of any other reason to make this statement
as we head into flu and cold season ahead of the midterms
Flat out irresponsible.
Dude literally just had covid
I also don't think we need anyone to tell us when it's over
After 2.5 years, we'll know when people stop getting sick and dying

F'n shameful

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432. "I was comparing motives "
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430. "^^Both side-ism ( Biden's statement WAS stupid)"
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>political gains
>Isn't Biden doing the same?
You don't have to take thing A and compare it with thing B as if they are exactly the same. These things are NOT the same. This is not "the same."

Why not point out how REPUBLICANS have said it was "over" since the very beginning - with many denying it as an issue, and even "the good-ish ones" refusing to fund it anymore.

Biden said something I disagree with - but not in the absolute terms of Abbot or Desantis and he did add that it is an ongoing problem that needs attention.

Biden's full quote:
"President Joe Biden: The pandemic is over. We still have a problem with COVID. We're still doing a lotta work on it. It's-- but the pandemic is over. if you notice, no one's wearing masks. Everybody seems to be in pretty good shape. And so I think it's changing. And I think this is a perfect example of it."

So I think he's WRONG that saying "See, no one's wearing a mask - hence COVID is over." But he does say it's a problem even in the interview. And he is asking for continuing funding. And his COVID team has pushed back against the single statement in an interview being the new policy: https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/19/biden-pandemic-over-covid-team-response-00057649

Now, if Biden's stump speech turns into "COVID is over - some people - many people say I stopped it. Now watch me dance" then I'll say he's the same as Trump or Abbot or DeSantis.


>A stronger economy goes a long way in elections
>and I can't think of any other reason to make this statement
>as we head into flu and cold season ahead of the midterms
>Flat out irresponsible.

I agree it's was irresponsible - but I think a single statement in a 60 Minutes interview may not actually reflect the strategy in whole - or indicate he's "over" it.

We'll see - but while I think this is a fucking disaster, and stupid, I'm not one to think that's he's thrown out common sense and compassion and policy based on a single interview.

Time will tell.

>F'n shameful
I'm not quite to shameful yet, but it depends on how what he does now.

Shameful is EVERY Republicans in the Senate:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/19/politics/congress-reaction-biden-covid/index.html

Sen. John Cornyn, a Texas Republican and member of leadership, responded by saying, “If it’s over, then I wouldn’t suspect they need any more money.”

North Carolina Sen. Richard Burr, the ranking Republican member on the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, sent a letter to the White House Monday to ask for a “clarification if that means the emergency status is over because a lot of things change.”

“I don’t think they were going to get any Covid money through anyway,” Burr said.

“Covid aid is not going to happen,” Sen. Mitt Romney, the Utah Republican who cut the $10 billion deal that stalled over the spring, told CNN. “Not with Republican votes.”

Make no mistake, Biden said a stupid thing. But as of this moment his policies haven't changed.

But The Republicans truly don't give a FUCK as a policy since Trump finally left the building. They literally won't spend ANY MONEY to help people dealing with COVID. ZERO. NONE.


Oh, AND they're kidnapping legal migrants.

Note:Here's what Biden should do: He should do an interview and a statemen, something like:
"I said COVID was over and I was wrong to say it.

While I feel the deadliest and most dangerous part of the pandemic is behind us the crisis and public health impact is clearly not over and I was wrong it saying it was.

We have thousands of our fellow Americans dying every week and they still need our help. We must fund COVID research, treatments, and disaster and pandemic preparedness.

COVID as a crisis will be with us for many years and we need to address it in an honest way. "

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431. "I was comparing the motives"
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Are you disagreeing on why he said it?

You're proving my point
Rs are blatant with it
So it's easy to point to possible human trafficking and how it's worse
Congrats, you win the gold medal in the tragedy Olympics
But when you consider the why
= political gains
I don't see anyone pointing out why he said it
?

As long as Rs are worse, you're okay with it.

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433. "You were making a lazy and wrong judgement (wrong at this point)"
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>Are you disagreeing on why he said it?

First, I never mentioned why he said it.

I think he said it because:
1)He's gaffe prone
2)HE thinks the pandemic has entered a new phase - not that the crisis is over.

YOU think he said it because: he though: If I say this once I'll keep ALL of the Democrat votes and get a lot of the independent and Republican voters so I can get more political power and I can $$$$$.

(Correct me if I'm wrong about what you're saying he said.)


>You're proving my point
>Rs are blatant with it
>So it's easy to point to possible human trafficking and how
>it's worse
YOU made the comparison bro, not me.


>Congrats, you win the gold medal in the tragedy Olympics
>But when you consider the why
>= political gains

In no REALITY is Biden saying "COVID is over" a political gain. You'd have to be STUPID to think that's a positive for a Democratic president.

Now, let me say this - if his new sustained position is "COVID IS OVER. Nothing to see here. It's all done" then I'll re-assess him.

Time will tell. (But dude FAMOUSLY makes gaffes.)


>I don't see anyone pointing out why he said it
>?
>
>As long as Rs are worse, you're okay with it.

If his sustained message is "Covid is over" I'll change my position.


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434. "I literally said what I'm assuming his motive is"
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I'm not sure how you're confused
Stating the pandemic is over is an attempt to get a bump in the economy ahead of the midterms
...and holiday season...
You're familiar with the phrase it's the economy stupid IRT politics and campaigns?

(Correct me if I'm wrong about what you're saying he said.)

Can't state it any simpler

"In no REALITY is Biden saying "COVID is over" a political gain. You'd have to be STUPID to think that's a positive for a Democratic president."

What? How would that not be a W?

Wasn't there messaging last year, ahead of the holidays, about a return to normalcy?

...followed by a record surge...

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438. "he's really invested in Biden being a hero against"
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an evil GOP.


Like we all don't know the GOP are evil and 1,000x worse.


But simply pointing out that Joe Biden- like Trump before him- is downplaying/moving past/ignoring/declaring victory over a pandemic that is still killing thousands per week....in hopes of favorable election outcomes and his own legacy...


Just pointing out that obvious objective fact...fries this dude's brain.


  

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440. "Here's where your wrong"
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>But simply pointing out that Joe Biden- like Trump before him-
>is downplaying/moving past/ignoring/declaring victory over a
>pandemic that is still killing thousands per week....in hopes
>of favorable election outcomes and his own legacy...

You don't understand Biden's base. If his positions to a Trump like minimization he's not going to keep his base.

And he's never going to gain a single R vote - they have literally amd ehim an evil-genius-senile-idiot-child-raper.

There's literally no political advantage to Biden to get from it.

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441. "Back to Normal Thanksgiving… Almost"
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https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/monmouthpoll_us_111621/

I get it, GOP bad, no argument from me
I just find it really interesting the leaps in logic
SMH@it's just another Biden gaffe
A 60 minutes interview after Sunday football is very intentional
I would imagine the WH screens questions for sit down televised interviews

If people really just believe it's a gaffe
that leads to a whole nother set of issues
Most importantly, when am I suppose to take him serious?

A thread that's been repeatedly posting data on the virus... just explains it away as an oopsie

We've been waiting 2.5 years to hear it's over... that wasn't a mistake.

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-joe-biden-health-lifestyle-thanksgiving-703aede19c8d6c9523511992fe1f638d


Biden wishes Americans happy, closer-to-normal Thanksgiving

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439. "RE: I literally said what I'm assuming his motive is"
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>I'm not sure how you're confused >Stating the pandemic is over is an attempt to get a bump in
>the economy ahead of the midterms >...and holiday season...
>You're familiar with the phrase it's the economy stupid IRT
>politics and campaigns?

OR he messaged something poorly. I haven't seen policies changes to go with the single statement he said.

I see your assumption is that Biden is cynically trying to manipulate voters - but I'll say this - he's turning off as many 'D' voters as he's enthralling other voters. There's no net gain that I can see.

Only Republicans are embracing what he said.

>(Correct me if I'm wrong about what you're saying he said.)
>
>Can't state it any simpler>
>"In no REALITY is Biden saying "COVID is over" a political >gain. You'd have to be STUPID to think that's a positive for a >Democratic president."
>
>What? How would that not be a W?

Because his base would look at evidence and know he's wrong. D's don't respect that --for the most part.

>Wasn't there messaging last year, ahead of the holidays, about
>a return to normalcy?
>
>...followed by a record surge...

When he said it in *March of 2021* it was on track, with vaccinations and treatments, to have that be a reasonable goal. Delta changed that. And then 10 months ago omicron changed it even more.

In that time Biden has an enormous time getting people vaccinated and getting treatments that work on the market. We're going to be stuck with COVID forever. Like the flu - just much more deadly.

(Oh, he was wrong - the virus mutated, the vaccines were less effective at stopping initial infection and death - but still better than being unvaccinated.)

If's he's saying "the pandemic is over but we're still in an emergency" I would disagree with the first part but not the second. (The security of HHS said exactly that today.)

I need him to clarify his policy today, this week, and now.

I don't think him saying "The pandemic is over" in a single interview as shifting his position that radically.

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443. "Let er' rip (c) Rs 10.2020"
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Return to normalcy (c) Ds 10.2021
Covid is over (c) Ds 9.2022

Once is a mistake, or in your words, a gaffe
This is now a pattern.

+1, no one's wearing masks anymore is just an outright lie
I work in NYC
Low estimate is at least 50% of people still masking
...or was it just another gaffe?

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445. "...."
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>Let er' rip (c) Rs 10.2020
That was there position BEFORE any vaccines and when they refused to mask AND were pushing medicine that didn't work that you'd either have to deprive someone who has Lupus of their medicine, or go get it at an animal feed store.

This is the majority view of Republicans now and still.

>Return to normalcy (c) Ds 10.2021
"Return to normalcy" wasn't 10.2021, it was 03.2021 BEFORE delta and before Omicron.

I thought it was premature then too, but with a 90% effective vaccines and some anti-body treatments he was trying to get Americans vaccinated. This was before beta and delta. And they knew it was a risk and took it. And they were wrong.

In case you forget what Return to normalcy was about - and it wasn't things go back to exactly as they were in 2019 - have a read: https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-03-11/biden-promises-a-return-to-normalcy-after-coronavirus


>Covid is over (c) Ds 9.2022
First, he said the "pandemic is over" but COVID is still a problem.

I think he's wrong here, but I haven't seen him change the policy positions. He still wants the government to pay for vaccines and treatments like anti-body treatments and paxlovid, and to increase funding for research and vaccines.

I don't take it to mean, as you so eloquently typed, that his position has shifted to "Let 'er RIP."

Now, could he move into that position? I fucking hope not.

>+1, no one's wearing masks anymore is just an outright lie
>I work in NYC
>Low estimate is at least 50% of people still masking
>...or was it just another gaffe?

I live in San Diego and I'd say 10% of people *I* see are wearing masks (and I'm in that 10%.) He was speaking in Ohio were almost no is. I think that looking at America as a whole that the VAST majority of people are no longer wearing masks. Not because the pandemic is over, but because they are fucking stupid weaklings that would rather get sick than be inconvenienced.


So you're LITERALLY both side-ing based on a pull quote form an interview and not even reading the next words out of his mouth.

When you look at the policies, as of right now, I think there is still a stark difference.





AND: Covid is still killing more people than strokes and killing at least 4 times the amount that traditionally die from the flu - so I think the message should be "Wear your mask. Get vaccinated. If you feel sick get tested and isolate and take the treatments."

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426. "09/19/2022"
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I'll try to find the whole interview:

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/19/anthony-fauci-we-are-not-where-we-need-to-be-00057580

It is unlikely the U.S. will eradicate the coronavirus and a “suspicious” new variant, BA 2.75.2, is on the horizon, President Joe Biden’s chief medical adviser, Anthony Fauci, said Monday during a fireside chat with the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

“We are not where we need to be if we are going to quote ‘live with the virus’ because we know we are not going to eradicate it,” Fauci said. “The next question we ask: ‘Are we going to be able to eliminate it from our country or from most of the world?’ and the answer is unlikely, because it is highly transmissible and the immunity that’s induced by vaccine or infection is also transient.”

Fauci’s comments came the day after Biden said “the pandemic is over” during a “60 Minutes” interview that aired Sunday evening.

“We still must be aware of how unusual this virus is and continues to be in its ability to evolve into new variants which defy the standard public health mechanisms of addressing an outbreak,” Fauci said Monday, adding that the intensity of the outbreak currently is “unacceptably high.” As of Monday, nearly 400 people were dying every day from Covid, according to the CDC.

Fauci attributed the persistence of the virus in part to the “lack of a uniform acceptance of the interventions that are available to us in this country.”

“Even now, more than two years, close to three years into the outbreak, we have only 67 percent of our population vaccinated and only one half of those have received a single boost,” Fauci said.

Fauci acknowledged that the pandemic is “heading in the right direction,” but warned that it is “likely that we will see another variant emerge” going into late fall and early winter.

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427. "I'm with you on this Handle"
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Keep the updates coming. We're in for a cold shower this fall/winter.

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444. "09/22/2022"
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Just in time for fall, there’s a brand-new COVID variant making headway in the U.S.
https://fortune.com/well/2022/09/20/bf-7-new-covid-subvariant-rising-in-united-states-us-omicron-centaurus/

A new COVID strain started to create waves among virus trackers this week, outpacing nearly all other variants of interest scientists are tracking in the U.S. this autumn.

The Omicron spawn, which scientists have named BF.7—short for BA.5.2.1.7—comprised 1.7% of sequenced infections last week in the U.S., according to new data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Other variants jockeying for the top spot right now—held by BA.5, at 85%—include BA.4.6, which comprised 10.3% of infections, and BA.2.75, which comprised 1.3%.

Scientists are taking notice of BF.7 because it’s making headway in an increasingly crowded field of Omicron subvariants. For months they’ve watched BA.2.75—dubbed Centaurus by the Twitterverse—as a variant of interest with potential to surge this fall. But this week, BF.7 surpassed it.

Potentially more transmissible than BA.5...



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WHO warns ability to identify new Covid variants is diminishing as testing declines
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/22/who-warns-ability-to-identify-new-covid-variants-is-diminishing-as-testing-declines-.html

The World Health Organization on Thursday warned that it is struggling to identify and track new Covid variants as governments roll back testing and surveillance, threatening the progress made in the fight against the virus.

Maria Van Kerkhove, the WHO’s Covid-19 technical lead, said the virus is still circulating at an “incredibly intense level” around the world. The WHO is “deeply concerned” that it is evolving at a time when there is no longer robust testing in place to help rapidly identify new variants, Van Kerkhove said.

“Our ability to track variants and subvariants around the world is diminishing because surveillance is declining,” Van Kerkhove told reporters during an update in Geneva. “That limits our ability to assess the known variants and subvariants but also our ability to track and identify new ones.”

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Here’s How Effective the Original Vaccines Are Against Omicron
https://time.com/6215580/original-vaccines-effectiveness-against-omicron/

Researchers in Ontario analyzed data from more than 134,000 people, including those who tested positive for Delta and Omicron infections during December 2021. They found that people who were fully vaccinated (with two doses of an mRNA vaccine, from either Moderna or Pfizer-BioNTech) experienced a decline in vaccine effectiveness against both Delta and Omicron infections, but the drop was greater against Omicron than against Delta. Among the vaccinated, the shots’ effectiveness declined from 36% up to two months after the second dose of the primary series, to 1% up to four months later (or six months after the second dose).

Booster doses helped restore some of the vaccine’s effectiveness, bringing it back up to 61% against Omicron beginning a week after people received the booster shot.

“The bottom line message is that against Omicron, you really need three doses for optimal protection against severe outcomes,” says Dr. Jeff Kwong, senior scientist at ICES (a not-for-profit research institute) and the study’s senior author. “Two doses was good enough against Delta, but since last December, when Omicron took over, two doses does not provide quite enough protection.”

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446. "This new variant is a beast right?"
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Folks who have had COVID a couple of times and are vaccinated have been saying this latest variant really kicked their ass, way more than the last time they had COVID. Anyone else seeing this?


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447. "You mean BF.7? Or Ba 2.75"
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I haven't seen any reports on severity yet.

Also since it's not widespread yet and you can't know which variant you caught I don't think anyone is reporting on it yet.

I couldn't even find blog post or Reddit threads of people with the new strain.


The CDC says this right now:
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The predominant Omicron lineage is BA.5, projected at 84.8% (95% PI 83.2-86.3%).

The national proportion of BA.4.6 is projected to be 10.3% (95% PI 9.1-11.7%), BA.4 is projected to be 1.8% (95% PI 1.6-1.9%), BF.7 is projected to be 1.7% (95% PI 1.2-2.4%), and BA.2.75 is projected to be 1.3% (95% PI 0.8-2.2%). See COVID Data Tracker for current data.
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450. "3+ reinfections risk > 2 reinfections risk > 1 reinfection risk"
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The hazard ratio increases with each reinfection. There is a dose-response:
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448. "Finally caught the Rona.. smh"
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it was a good run.

There was an exposure at the conference.

Tested negative, then felt like shit 2 days later and boom, coworker tells me she tested positive. She's vaxxed but this is her FOURTH time catching this shit.

wife prolly has it too now.

hopefully the kids won't get this shit.

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449. "Consider getting the medicine"
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Consider getting Paxlovid or one of the antiviral medicines. The sooner the better.

I hope you get over it quickly,

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455. "got it.. mouth taste like its filled with dirty pennies"
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456. "RE: got it.. mouth taste like its filled with dirty pennies"
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My friend's wife's taste buds are still messed up after 12+ months post-infection. Sweets taste iron-y. And savory foods are bland.

  

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451. "Haven't gotten it so far but I feel like it's inevitable "
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My biggest risk is at my part time job where I always wear masks in people dense areas but not for my entire shift. It's hard for me to do it when the closest cubicles to mine are empty, and I don't gather around in groups to talk much. I know better though and I know I need to remember that I'm in a red state surrounded by maga wh*tes.

I hope you and wife recover quickly, I know it's a nightmare to have it and live in a house with young kids.

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452. "09/26/2022 - San Diego news"
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Just seeing if your local news looks like this:

County to begin shuttering COVID-19 monoclonal antibody treatment centers
https://www.kpbs.org/news/local/2022/09/23/county-to-begin-shuttering-covid-19-monoclonal-antibody-treatment-centers

Three of the four operating Monoclonal Antibody Regional Centers will close by the end of this month, according to the county Health and Human Services Agency. Family Health Centers of San Diego will continue to provide monoclonal antibodies for prevention and for treatment, by appointment only.

"The demand for monoclonal antibody treatment has been steadily decreasing in recent months as COVID-19 treatments, including Paxlovid, have become readily available at medical providers' offices and other locations," said Dr. Wilma J. Wooten, county public health officer. "County Public Health will continue to monitor the pandemic to ensure the community's treatment needs are met."
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SD County’s COVID Hospitalizations Increase by 7 to 196 with 25 in ICUs
https://timesofsandiego.com/health/2022/09/24/sd-countys-covid-hospitalizations-increase-to-196/

A total of 2,634 COVID-19 cases were reported to the county in the past seven days, compared to 2,840 infections the previous week. The cumulative total cases in the county increased to 919,938.

Since last Thursday’s report, four additional deaths were reported to the HHSA, increasing the cumulative total to 5,487.

More than 2.68 million or 80% of San Diegans received the primary series of one of the approved COVID-19 vaccines and are considered fully vaccinated. A total of 1,448,515 or 58.9% of 2,458,117 eligible San Diegans have received a booster.

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San Diego no longer requiring COVID tests for unvaccinated employees
https://www.kpbs.org/news/local/2022/09/19/san-diego-no-longer-requiring-covid-tests-unvaccinated-employees

The city of San Diego has stopped requiring employees to take weekly COVID tests, after firing eight employees who had previously refused to take the tests for religious reasons.

Any city employees, who refused COVID vaccines on religious grounds, were mandated to take weekly COVID tests, but San Diego dropped that requirement at the start of September, city spokesperson Nicole Darling said.

“Employees who received medical or religious exemptions from the COVID-19 vaccination requirement are no longer required to submit to weekly COVID-19 testing,” she said in an emailed statement.

Before the requirement was lifted, some employees had refused to take COVID tests, stating on official city forms that COVID testing was against their religion. Eight employees were fired for their refusals.

“The city reserves the right to reinstate the COVID-19 testing program at any time,” Darling said. “Employees who are in the discipline process as a result of failing to comply with city policy that was in place at the time will continue in that process. The city has a progressive discipline process that does not always end in termination; employees are afforded all due process rights and rights to representation.”

The change was made in part based on data that shows unvaccinated and vaccinated people transmit the virus at the same rate, Darling said. She added that more than 90% of city employees have received the original two doses of the COVID vaccine.

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California is easing COVID-19 mask recommendations as conditions improve. Here’s where
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/california/story/2022-09-21/california-to-ease-covid-19-mask-recommendations

The state is largely rescinding its strong recommendation that everyone — regardless of vaccination status — mask up in indoor public settings

In a new sign of improving coronavirus conditions, California will ease its mask-wearing recommendations for the first time in seven months.

The state is largely rescinding its strong recommendation that everyone — regardless of vaccination status — mask up when in indoor public settings and businesses. That broad guidance had been in place since mid-February.

Instead, California will recommend universal mask wearing only when a county’s COVID-19 community level — which indicates rates of new coronavirus-positive hospitalizations — is high.

Among the changes slated to take effect Friday is the end of state-ordered mandatory masking in jails and prisons, homeless shelters, and emergency and cooling centers located in counties with a low COVID-19 community level, as defined by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Placement in that category — which was home to 35 of California’s 58 counties as of last week — indicates the pandemic is not having a major impact on hospitals. The CDC updates its community level assessments weekly, sorting counties into low, medium or high.



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to stop spending spending so much energy on things covid-related? you are far more concerned than any HCWs I know. i just don't get it.

  

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461. "Cases need to go below average flu year numbers"
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>to stop spending spending so much energy on things
>covid-related? you are far more concerned than any HCWs I
>know. i just don't get it.

I work for a hospital and I know our upper management is as interested in this as I am. We are expecting to be SWAMPED with a high flu load this year and this could really push the system to the limit.

SO less variants, more treatments and less infections.

IN San Diego our wastewater COVID levels are higher now than at any point in 2020 through October of 2021.

So, I'm going to stay focused on this so I can help anyone I can. I've had friends with advanced degrees not know what the fuck to do when they caught CVOID. I'm staying on it - because I can only help myself and my immediate friends.

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473. "and THANK YOU for caring so much to keep this post going"
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i check it every time it pops up and constantly learn new things


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its wild to see people push back on folks who care about...checks notes...

PUBLIC HEALTH.

like are you serious right now?

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Twitter has removed "COVID 19" as a pinned subject in their Discover section. Covid is over for them - now I jsut get endless tweets about Freddie Gibbs for some reason.

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Looks like some of the rising new variants are anti-body resistant:

Tweet: https://twitter.com/yunlong_cao/status/1573391247821373440
As expected, BQ.1.1 escapes Evusheld and bebtelovimab, making all clinically available antibody drugs ineffective. BQ.1.1 and BA.2.75.2 both displayed sufficient hACE2 binding capability. (3/4)

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Thread on some new Paxlovid effectiveness studies coming : https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/1576764552749801472?s=43&t=guAHCdme27AQqwbgooWSBQ

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The underuse of Covid treatments is leading to many needless deaths.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/07/briefing/covid-treatment-paxlovid.html <-FUCKING PAYWALLED

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"If every American 50 and above with Covid received a course of either Paxlovid or a treatment known as monoclonal antibodies, daily deaths might fall to about 50 per day." Paxlovid is free. If you know someone in this bracket, make sure they get it"


Title: The power of Paxlovid

A worrisome pattern has emerged with Paxlovid and other drugs that reduce the severity of Covid: Many people who would benefit most are not receiving the treatments, likely causing hundreds of unnecessary deaths every day in the U.S.

There seem to be two main explanations for the drugs’ underuse. The first is that the public discussion of them has tended to focus on caveats and concerns, rather than on the overwhelming evidence that they reduce the risk of hospitalization and death. The second explanation is that many Americans, especially Republicans, still do not take Covid seriously.

Today’s newsletter will dig into both issues.

“A large chunk of deaths are preventable right now with Paxlovid alone,” Dr. Ashish Jha, the White House Covid response coordinator, told me. He predicted that if every American 50 and above with Covid received a course of either Paxlovid or a treatment known as monoclonal antibodies, daily deaths might fall to about 50 per day, from about 400 per day in recent months.

Dr. Rebecca Wang, an infectious disease specialist at Dartmouth Hitchcock Medical Center, has said: “Never really in recent history for a respiratory virus can I think of an anti-viral medication being as effective, demonstrated in scientific literature, as what Paxlovid has shown.”

Dr. Robert Wachter, the chair of the medicine department at the University of California, San Francisco, told me that he thought the underuse of Paxlovid was already associated with thousands of preventable deaths in the U.S. “The public doesn’t seem to understand that the evidence around hospitalization and deaths is really powerful,” Wachter said.

Bad-news bias
By now, you have surely heard about the downsides and shortcomings of Paxlovid.

The drug can produce a metallic taste in the mouth. (One member of my family described it as among the worst tastes she had ever experienced.) Some research has also found that the drug might not cause a statistically significant reduction in hospitalization among younger adults. Most prominently, people who take Paxlovid can endure “rebound” Covid — as both President Biden and Jill Biden did — in which symptoms return after the five-day course of pills has ended.

All of this is true. It also does not change the big picture. Covid is a deadly virus, especially for older people, and Paxlovid reduces Covid’s severity. It does so by inhibiting the virus’s replication inside the human body, the same process that has made H.I.V. treatments so effective.

With Paxlovid, both randomized trials and data from electronic health records have pointed to its effectiveness. Some research finds an effect across all age groups, while other research finds one only among older patients. But that is not surprising. The Covid death rate for people under 50 is already so close to zero that reducing it in a statistically significant way is difficult.

“I think almost everybody benefits from Paxlovid,” Jha said. “For some people, the benefit is tiny. For others, the benefit is massive.” (People who can’t take Paxlovid because it interacts dangerously with another drug they’re taking can usually take monoclonal antibodies.)

A recent analysis of about 568,000 patients by Epic Research found that 0.016 percent of Covid patients over 50 who received Paxlovid died. The death rate for patients who did not get the drug was more than four times higher, or 0.070 percent. And yet the Epic data showed that only about 25 percent of patients eligible to receive Paxlovid actually did, even though the drug is widely available and free for patients.

Perhaps the most shocking statistic about Paxlovid’s underuse — and Jha used the word “shocking” when describing it to me — is that a smaller share of 80-year-olds with Covid in the U.S. is now receiving the drug than 45-year-olds with Covid, according to data he has seen. Many doctors are evidently worried about side effects or rebound cases among their more vulnerable patients.

Even in rebound cases, however, symptoms tend to be milder than they would have been without Paxlovid. After Dr. Anthony Fauci, another White House adviser, who’s 81, contracted Covid in June and then took Paxlovid, he experienced a rebound — and also believed that the drug kept him out of the hospital.

“Medicine is about weighing costs and benefits,” Wachter said. “The recommendation should be clear and unambiguous for people at high risk: The benefits of the drug outweigh the downsides.”

Red Covid
When I last wrote about “red Covid” — the concentration of Covid deaths in conservative communities because of vaccine skepticism — almost eight months ago, I explained why the partisan gap could eventually shrink: Republican communities might have built up more natural immunity through previous infections, and treatments like Paxlovid were becoming more widely available.

This spring and summer, the gap did narrow somewhat. But it has begun growing again in the past two months, according to an analysis by my colleague Ashley Wu.


Data through Oct. 4, 2022, excluding Alaska. | Sources: New York Times database, Edison Research
One possible explanation is that Paxlovid takeup rates appear to be lower in Republican areas, even though they are the very places where the drug could do the most good, because of lower vaccination rates. Government data shows that of the 20 states with the least Paxlovid use between late August and late September (per 100 diagnosed cases of Covid), 18 were won by Donald Trump in 2020.


Paxlovid data is between Aug. 29 and Sept. 25, 2022. | Sources: White House; Edison Research
The shunning of Paxlovid seems to be part of a pattern in which Republican voters have wrongly dismissed Covid as little different from the flu. That mistake has had tragic consequences. A new study by three Yale University researchers found that the wide partisan gap in Covid deaths remained even after controlling for other factors, like age.

Solutions
Jha told me that the Biden administration was committed to increasing the use of Paxlovid and monoclonal antibodies nationwide. “We are going to go after this problem hard,” he said. “We have got to fix it, and we’ve got to fix it in weeks.”

What might make a difference?

Persuading more doctors of Paxlovid’s benefits would probably have the biggest impact. Wachter thinks that accelerating research about rebound Covid — including whether a longer course of Paxlovid would help — could also increase use, given the fear around the issue. He added that he was surprised that government, academic and private researchers had still not learned more about what causes a rebound and how to prevent it.

In coming months, this newsletter will follow up and see whether this country can do a better job of using a widely available treatment to save lives.

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A new drug seeks ‘true revenge’ on COVID by turning the virus against itself

https://fortune.com/well/2022/10/03/new-covid-drug-antiviral-turns-virus-against-itself-coronavirus-prevent-spread-nmt5-scripps-paxlovid/

A neurologist at a prestigious U.S. research institute has developed an experimental COVID treatment he calls “true revenge” that weaponizes the virus against itself.

The treatment, dubbed NMT5, was created by Scripps Research Institute’s Neurodegeneration New Medicines Center founding director Dr. Stuart Lipton and a team of scientists. It’s a derivative of memantine, an Alzheimer’s drug Lipton developed in the 1990s that happened to originate from a drug used on people infected with the flu in the 1960s.

Now a COVID antiviral, NMT5—if approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration—would be taken orally by an infected person, much like Paxlovid, the popular pills taken at home by those who’ve been diagnosed with the virus.

But unlike Paxlovid, which prevents COVID from replicating in an infected person’s body, NMT5 alters the virus, causing it to gain “warheads” that temporarily alter the cells where COVID usually attaches and enters so that the virus is no longer capable of infecting them.

Because of the differing approach to attacking the virus, NMT5 is thought to prevent the spread of infection to others. Those infected with COVID who take the new drug are expected to spread virus that destroys itself—meaning it should be unable to infect a new host, according to the study.

It’s a feat no other COVID vaccine or treatment has yet to accomplish—“true revenge” on a virus that has caused so much death and suffering in recent years, says Lipton, who is also professor of neurosciences and neurology at the University of San Diego School of Medicine and the Yale School of Medicine.

A peer-reviewed study by Lipton and his team published Sept. 29 in Nature Chemical Biology found promising results by using the experimental drug in Syrian golden hamsters, which are extremely susceptible to COVID and are considered the gold standard in testing potential therapeutics.

The study also found that, in hamsters, the drug “virtually eliminated” large hemorrhages in the lungs often sometimes seen when COVID fatalities are autopsied. It also significantly reduced inflammatory response in hamsters that took it, as compared to hamsters that did not.

What’s more, NMT5 was found to be highly effective against COVID variants Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta, and Omicron. It reduced the ability of the virus to replicate in the host and transmit to others by up to 95%, the study states.

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https://www.newyorker.com/science/annals-of-medicine/how-many-times-will-you-get-covid

How Many Times Will You Get COVID?
When it comes to coronavirus infections, the third time is not the charm. What is?

(Swipes from the article, go read the whole thing)

During the first year of the pandemic, when reports of coronavirus reinfections started to trickle in, the phenomenon was considered exceedingly rare—“a microliter-sized drop in the bucket,” as one virologist put it. As of October, 2020, the world had recorded thirty-eight million coronavirus cases and fewer than five confirmed reinfections. Two years later, the bucket is overflowing. It’s now clear that not only will just about everyone contract the coronavirus, but we’re all likely to be infected multiple times. The virus evolves too efficiently, our immunity wanes too quickly, and, although covid vaccines have proved remarkably durable against serious illness, they haven’t managed to break the chain of transmission.

Gordon believes that one day, sars-CoV-2 will infect us far less frequently than it does now. She pointed to a paper published in Nature Medicine that examined how often people were infected by other coronaviruses. (Virtually everyone has antibodies against the four other coronaviruses that afflict humans, and they generally cause only mild cold symptoms.) The researchers followed ten healthy individuals for decades and found that, although reinfections can occur as soon as six months after a prior infection, the median time to reinfection was around three years. “And that’s for any infection, not symptomatic infection,” Gordon said. “My best guess would be—and this is just a guess—that symptomatic covid infections will eventually occur every five years or so.” We could achieve this equilibrium within five years, and possibly sooner, she said. But that would still mean that many of us could get covid ten times or more in our lifetimes.

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AstraZeneca's COVID vaccine suffers a setback in nasal spray trial
https://www.reuters.combusiness/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/astrazenecas-covid-vaccine-suffers-setback-nasal-spray-trial-2022-10-10/

Oct 11 (Reuters) - Attempts by Oxford University researchers and AstraZeneca Plc (AZN.L) to create a nasal-spray version of their jointly developed COVID-19 shot suffered a setback on Tuesday as initial testing on humans did not yield the desired protection.

An antibody response in the respiratory mucous membranes was seen in only a minority of participants in the trial, which was in the first of usually three phases of clinical testing, the University of Oxford said in a statement on Tuesday.

Also, the immune response measured in the blood was weaker than that from a shot-in-the-arm vaccination.
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Novavax says COVID booster dose shows benefit against Omicron variants
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/novavax-says-covid-booster-dose-shows-benefit-against-omicron-variants-2022-10-12/

The data was from two studies - a late-stage study evaluating the booster in adults and adolescents who had received Novavax primary vaccination and another study testing it in those aged 18 to 49 who had received primary series of Novavax vaccine or other authorized or approved vaccines.

In the late-stage study, a single homologous booster dose significantly increased antibody levels against these variants relative to pre-boost levels, the company said.

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The US's estimate for uptake of the new covid booster was off by more than 90%
Only 4.5% of people eligible for an updated booster have gotten one so far

https://qz.com/the-uss-estimate-for-uptake-of-the-new-covid-booster-wa-1849639093

Yet the omicron booster uptake is even lower than what past trends would have suggested. The data published by the CDC on the uptake of the omicron-specific booster isn’t quite as granular as the one available for the primary dose and the previous boosters, so it’s hard to compare the current campaign with previous rounds of covid vaccination by demographics, or regional distribution. This is as good an indicator as any about the importance that is being placed on the latest immunization round, and in line with the White House’s position that the pandemic is over.

It isn’t, however. The US recorded an average of 420 deaths from covid in the past week, and experts, including Anthony Fauci, warn that lower immunization levels might contribute to the emergence of new variants, potentially with more severe effects than omicron. Although 65% of American adults say they are planning to get the booster, there doesn’t seem to be much urgency, including because of conflicting public health messages on the efficacy and need for the latest vaccine.

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Risk of Covid death almost zero for people who are boosted and treated, White House Covid czar says

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/11/risk-of-covid-death-almost-zero-for-people-who-are-boosted-and-treated-white-house-covid-czar-says.html

Dr. Ashish Jha, head of the White House Covid task force, said the U.S. has made major strides in fighting Covid since the early days of the pandemic when thousands of people were dying daily from the virus.

“If you are up to date with your vaccines and if you get treated if you have a breakthrough infection, your risk of dying from Covid is now close to zero,” Jha told reporters at the White House.

More than 300 people are still dying every day from Covid on average, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Jha told reporters last week that 70% of the people dying from the virus are 75 and older and don’t have the latest shots or aren’t getting treated as needed. He said this level of death is unacceptable given all the tools the U.S. now has at its disposal to manage the virus.

Jha encouraged people who have Covid symptoms to get tested so they can get diagnosed and receive treatments such as the antiviral pill Paxlovid when needed.

“Treatments which we have available today for free keep people out of the hospital, keep people out of the ICU, prevent the worst outcome at all,” Jha said.

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COVID in California: Fauci calls new BQ.1 variants ‘pretty troublesome’
https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/article/COVID-in-California-live-updates-17507341.php

Highly contagious BQ.1 and BQ.1.1 variants rapidly spreading in U.S.
While the omicron BA.5 subvariant appears to be receding, making up 67.9% of sequenced cases in the U.S. last week, newer strains of the virus are surging, according to data published Friday by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The emerging subvariants BQ.1 and BQ.1.1 constituted 11.4% of new cases, with a sharp rate of growth that shows them outpacing rivals.

In the United Kingdom, infections from a highly mutated BQ.1.1 have doubled every week, causing a dramatic rise in hospitalizations. In the U.S., the two new subvariants make up nearly four times as many cases as BA.2.75 (1.3%) and have overtaken BF.7 (5.3%), which preceded them by weeks. Additionally, the BQ.1 subvariant — which includes three major mutations on its spike protein — is the first to prove resistant to the available antibody therapies, Evusheld and bebtelovimab.

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San Diego High School Reports 1,100 Absences This Week Due to Respiratory Outbreak
https://people.com/health/san-diego-high-school-1100-absences-respiratory-flu-outbreak/

San Diego County Public Health Services has launched an investigation after two high schools have reported a large outbreak of respiratory and flu-like symptoms.

As of Thursday, Patrick Henry High School has reportedly seen 1,100 absences this week out of its 2,600 students while Del Norte High School has reportedly seen 884 absences this week out of its 2,517 students, according to ABC10 San Diego.

Health officials say it's too early to know the cause of the outbreak as test results are still pending.

"We don't really know why those two schools are affected specifically and they're so geographically separated, I think this is more of a general phenomenon of an increase in respiratory viruses and flu this winter," Dr. Cameron Kaiser, San Diego County deputy public health officer, the outlet reports.

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465. "Updated on school absences - it's likely the Flu "
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I saw a video saying that students being tested are coming back positive for Influenza A.

Get the flu shots - and stay away from kids.

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Our daughter (13) is next in line. She's fully vested in the mask life and doesn't go to school or dance without it, which helps

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CDC Allows Novavax Monovalent COVID-19 Boosters for Adults Ages 18 and Older
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022/s1019-novavax.html

Today, CDC’s Director Rochelle P. Walensky, M.D., M.P.H., signed a decision memo allowing Novavax monovalent COVID-19 boosters for adults.

This action gives people ages 18 years and older the option to receive a Novavax monovalent booster instead of an updated (bivalent) Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna booster if they have completed primary series vaccination but have not previously received a COVID-19 booster—and if they cannot or will not receive mRNA vaccines.

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Two new COVID variants are spreading fast in New York region and could account for about 37% of new cases
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/two-new-covid-variants-are-spreading-fast-in-new-york-region-and-could-account-for-about-37-of-new-cases-11666189746

The two newly identified omicron subvariants, dubbed BQ.1 and BQ.1.1, are spreading fast in the New York region and could account for about 37% of new cases, according to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data crunched by NBC News.

The two variants accounted for 11.5% and 8% of new cases, respectively, that were recorded in the area in the week ending Oct. 15, up from 4.1% and 1.9% two weeks earlier. The New York area includes New Jersey, Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands.

Combined, they accounted for 11.4% of overall U.S. cases in the same week. Before last Friday’s data release, they were included in BA.5 variant data, as the numbers were too small to break out. BQ.1 was first identified by researchers in early September and has been found in the U.K. and Germany, among other places. The CDC is updating the numbers every Friday.


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Is there really a COVID ‘nightmare variant’ spreading? Here’s what experts say

https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/article/Is-there-really-a-COVID-nightmare-variant-17517688.php

“XBB is now the predominant subvariant circulating in the community, accounting for 54% of local cases,” up from 22% the previous week, according to a bulletin from the Singapore Ministry of Health.

The subvariant has overtaken BA.5, which is estimated to account for 21% of cases in the country — with many of the new cases being reinfections.

“It will be their second biggest wave after BA.2 — even bigger than BA.5,” said Eric Topol, executive vice president of Scripps Research in San Diego.

But he added that Singapore’s 79% booster uptake rate and strict virus mitigation measures appear to be blunting the impact of the new strain when it comes to the worst outcomes of the disease.

“The number of people dying or in the ICU is really low,” he said. “Their protection level is really solid.”

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468. "What does it mean to be fully vaccinated nowadays?"
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Is that still a thing?

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469. "It stayed the same - but CDC now recommends being "up to date""
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FAQ answering fully vaccinated:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html

Yes, you are fully vaccinated even if you haven’t gotten your booster yet. The definition of fully vaccinated does not include a COVID-19 booster. Fully vaccinated, however, is not the same as having the best protection. People are best protected when they stay up to date with COVID-19 vaccinations, which includes getting a booster when eligible.

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What is Up to Date mean?
TN.Grants:FY22" target="_blank">https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/stay-up-to-date.html?s_cid=11776:when%20are%20you%20considered%20fully%20vaccinated:sem.ga:p:RG:GM:ge TN.Grants:FY22

When Are You Up to Date?
You are up to date with your COVID-19 vaccines if you have completed a COVID-19 vaccine primary series and received the most recent booster dose recommended for you by CDC.

COVID-19 vaccine recommendations are based on three things:

Your age
The vaccine you first received, and
The length of time since your last dose
People who are moderately or severely immunocompromised have different recommendations for COVID-19 vaccines. (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/immuno.html)

You are still up to date if you receive all COVID-19 vaccine doses recommended for you and then become ill with COVID-19. You do not need to be immediately revaccinated or receive an additional booster.

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470. "11/10/2022"
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Nearly a year in.

4th COVID shot boosts antibodies for 13 weeks, Israeli study finds
https://www.timesofisrael.com/4th-covid-shot-boosts-antibodies-for-13-weeks-israeli-study-finds/

Note: These vaccines don't seem to be "yearly."

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Paxlovid effective in reducing risk of long COVID symptoms: study
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/3723020-paxlovid-effective-in-reducing-risk-of-long-covid-symptoms-study/

A recent preprint study found that Pfizer’s COVID-19 antiviral Paxlovid may be effective in reducing the risk of developing long COVID in patients recovering from coronavirus infections.

The study, funded by the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA), looked through the VA’s health care databases and identified individuals who tested positive for COVID-19 between March and June 2022.

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Covid-19 Symptoms Can Rebound Even if You Don’t Take Paxlovid
A new study found that more than a third of those who recovered from an infection had symptoms recur days or weeks later.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/27/well/live/covid-symptoms-rebound-paxlovid.html

When the antiviral treatment Paxlovid came into wider use for Covid-19 infections earlier this year, doctors who prescribed it and patients who took it noticed that symptoms sometimes flared up again a few days after having gone away. Some people even tested negative before they experienced the rebound. But this puzzling phenomenon can occur whether you take Paxlovid or not, according to a new study.

Researchers found that when patients received a placebo instead of treatment, a portion of them still experienced a rebound of their symptoms after they had initially improved.

“Symptom return is common,” said Dr. Davey Smith, the chief of infectious diseases and global public health at the University of California, San Diego School of Medicine, who led the study. “It doesn’t mean that things are going south. It’s just the natural way the disease goes.” What is surprising, however, is how many people may experience a rebound, he said.

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471. "11/12/2022"
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New omicron subvariants now dominant in the U.S., raising fears of a winter surge
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/11/11/1136039817/new-omicron-subvariants-now-dominant-in-the-u-s-raising-fears-of-a-winter-surge


"This time of year last year we were optimistic. We were coming out of the delta wave, and it was steadily decreasing, and we went into Thanksgiving to wake up to omicron. So there is this sort of déjà vu feeling from last year," Luban says.

BQ.1 and BQ.1.1, had been quickly gaining ground in the U.S. in recent weeks. On Friday, they officially overtook BA.5, accounting for an estimated 44% of all new infections nationwide and nearly 60% in some parts of the country, such as New York and New Jersey, according to the CDC's estimates. BA.5 now accounts for an estimated 30% of all new infections nationwide.

Recent laboratory studies indicate that new mutations in the virus's spike protein appear to make BQ.1 and BQ.1.1 as much as seven times more "immune-evasive" than BA.5. (MORE AT LINK)




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Note on this story: I HIGHLY doubt anywhere in California is going to be able to "return to masking." Maybe some official says "It might be a good idea to wear a mask, if you feel like it, no pressure!"

Masks could return as L.A. County sees worrying uptick in RSV, COVID infections
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/masks-could-return-as-l-a-county-sees-worrying-uptick-in-rsv-covid-infections/

Facemasks could potentially return as L.A. County continues seeing a troubling uptick in respiratory illness including COVID-19, two new variants and RSV infections among children.

On Friday, Dr. Barrbara Ferrer, Director of the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health, warned that hospitalizations and overall COVID cases are on the rise.

If the county reaches 100 cases per 100,000 residents, indoor masking recommendations could return. For now, L.A. County is at 86 cases per 100,000 residents.

“Indoor masking will, as it has in the past for elevated transmission, be strongly recommended for everyone,” said Ferrer in a Friday press conference.

Along with other respiratory illnesses like the flu and COVID, doctors are now dealing with a surge in RSV (Respiratory Syncytial Virus Infection), especially among children. The illness can be serious for kids but especially troublesome for infants and children with respiratory issues.

“Like my oldest child having asthma, it’s every time the seasons change,” said a local mother. “We can bank on being in the hospital for a couple of days.”

“Across the country, about 78 percent of all pediatric beds are now full, so we are beginning to get concerned about our ability to handle the higher volume as it goes along,” said Dr. Kimberly Shriner, an infectious disease doctor with Huntington Hospital.

L.A. County reports seeing higher numbers of RSV than in previous years. Shriner believes isolation during the pandemic may be the cause.

“Normal viruses that occur during normal winters in the community were not circulating and so, especially in young children who were not in school and were home, they didn’t have an opportunity to experience some of these viruses, so they don’t have any immunity to it,” explained Shriner.

County officials are now encouraging parents to be mindful before sending their children to school, especially if they’re experiencing RSV symptoms such as a cough or runny nose. Children experiencing a fever or breathing issues should contact their doctor immediately.

Health officials are encouraging people to receive their booster shots and flu vaccines to avoid straining local medical facilities even further.
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Moderna says new booster increases protection from omicron subvariants
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/11/14/moderna-booster-shot/

Vaccine maker Moderna announced Monday that its new omicron-targeted booster shot reinforces a key line of immune defense by increasing levels of coronavirus-fighting antibodies that block BA.5. This omicron subvariant dominated in the United States until recently and still accounts for nearly a third of reported cases.

In blood drawn from people who received the bivalent booster, omicron-blocking antibody levels shot up 15 times higher than their pre-booster levels, Moderna said in a news release. The findings, which are not yet peer-reviewed, are similar to results that Pfizer and its German partner, BioNTech, presented this month about their bivalent coronavirus vaccine booster.

The data is encouraging because it shows that the bivalent booster shots, which were updated to match the BA.4 and BA.5 versions of the omicron variant and began to roll out in September, are providing protection against newer coronavirus variants ahead of a possible winter surge of cases.

Moderna also said a preliminary analysis with a small number of subjects showed that the antibodies generated by the bivalent booster lost some potency against the challenging and rapidly growing BQ.1.1 subvariant but could still block it. BQ.1.1 makes up about a quarter of the cases in the United States, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
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CDC now tracking BN.1, the latest new COVID variant on the rise
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cdc-now-tracking-bn-1-the-latest-new-covid-variant-on-the-rise/

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is now tracking the rise of another COVID-19 variant known as BN.1, according to figures published by the agency this month, marking the latest new Omicron descendant now spreading around the country this fall.

Some 4.3% of new COVID-19 cases nationwide are now linked to the BN.1 variant, according to "Nowcast" estimates released on Friday by the CDC.

Prevalence of the new strain is largest in the West, in the region that spans Arizona, California, Hawaii, and Nevada. 6.2% of new cases in that area, HHS Region 9, are from BN.1.

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475. "Eric Topol has a Substack newsletter now"
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He started it once Elon took over Twitter for us folks who aren't Twittering anymore.

https://erictopol.substack.com/

Click the "Let me read it first" if you don't want to sign up.

I don't always agree with him, but he's not a bullshiter.

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476. "11/16/2022"
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Paxlovid "rebound" data is coming in.

TLDR; Looks like 5% more people who took Paxlovid rebounded than those who did not - whereas the news and blogs and social media make it sound like a 50% increase.

And the data posted before on Paxlovid showed people over 65 who took it had the death rate reduced by 81%. (That study was is in a post above somewhere.) So 81% chance of living with a 5% increase that you get a rebound you don't die from.

https://erictopol.substack.com/p/paxlovid-rebound-new-data-reviewed16?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=587835&post_id=84988296&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email

SWIPE (Go to the link above to see the charts):
The results are summarized below. By rapid antigen testing, viral rebound occurred in 14% of the Paxlovid group and the excess compared with controls was 5%. With respect to symptoms, it was nearly 18% compared with 7%, an excess of 12% for Paxlovid versus controls. These rates are considerably higher than the EPIC trial, reviewed above, but far less (especially flanked by controls) than the perception in the medical community and the public.

Of course, more studies need to be done to replicate and extend these findings, along with fully understanding the mechanism of rebound (for both Paxlovid and non-treated). But I think there are 3 important takeaways from these data:

We can’t rely on perceptions based on anecdotes and social media. There is a bias of ascertainment and reporting, since the people who did well with Paxlovid, without rebound, are likely to be quiet, no less the people who did not take Paxlovid but later developed positive tests, with or without symptoms. The only way to know is to conduct a prospective, systematic clinical trial, with controls, which our group did, to shed light on the frequency of this Paxlovid problem.

Paxlovid rebound highlights the importance of real world effectiveness studies—that randomized, placebo-controlled trials (RCT) are not the end all body of evidence. Here the RCT led us to believe that rebound was extremely rare, but it was clearly higher in the clinic. While the mechanism for rebound is not fully resolved, the virus strain during the RCT was quite different than the subsequent Omicron lineages. And the patients in the RCT were unvaccinated, so extrapolation to a population with the majority having had some vaccine-induced immune was strained. Further, the RCT had less than 2,000 patients enrolled whereas over 10 million people have been treated now, and the demographics of the RCT sample may not have been representative of the population treated for many other features besides vaccination status.

The excess in rebound with Paxlovid versus controls is low, 5-12% for viral testing rebound and symptomatic rebound, respectively. That is considerably less than our expectations and some estimates that have been shared that were well over 50%. This should be reassuring to prescribers (which include pharmacists) and patients, that the chances of rebound are low. The empiric need to take longer duration of Paxlovid (i.e. 7-10 days) is reduced from these findings, but certainly that strategy should be further explored, especially if there is a way to know a priori which individuals would be at risk for rebound and might benefit from a longer course.

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477. "11/19/2022 "
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BQ.1, BQ.1.1 push BA.5 out as the dominant omicron subvariant in U.S.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/3742510-bq-1-bq-1-1-push-ba-5-out-as-the-dominant-omicron-subvariant-in-u-s/

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Pfizer/BioNTech's updated COVID shot shows strong response against BQ.1.1
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/pfizerbiontech-omicron-shot-shows-immune-response-against-bq11-older-adults-2022-11-18/

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LA County recommends indoor masking after increase in COVID cases
The number of new cases has hit 100 per 100,000 people, data shows.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/la-county-recommends-indoor-masking-increase-covid-cases/story?id=93552791

Los Angeles County is advising residents to wear masks indoors amid an increase in COVID-19 transmission.

On Thursday, the largest county in the United States said it is "strongly recommending" people wear face coverings in indoor public settings but stopped short of requiring them.

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478. "1 year in - not looking great"
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Note: If you're under 65, have been vaccinated, don't have other major risk factors, and have access to Paxlovid you're in okay shape.


Japan Reports Nearly 100,000 New COVID-19 Cases
https://www.nippon.com/en/news/yjj2022112700222/

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COVID numbers rising in Arizona again

https://news.azpm.org/p/newsc/2022/11/22/213879-covid-numbers-rising-in-arizona-again/

The federal Centers for Disease Control reports that the COVID rate in Pima County is about 170 cases per 100,000 residents.
Health officials said the number is probably much higher.

"That number is probably under-reported and that's because if you do a home test and you're positive while you can report to a county health department the vast majority of individuals are not reporting. So, in some ways what we are seeing is the tip of the iceberg," said Dr. Theresa Cullen, Pima County Health Director.

Cullen said the rise in COVID numbers tracks with the increase in cases of the flu and RSV. She also said the uptick in cases tracks with Pima County's history.

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Coronavirus variants are dodging antibody treatments.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/11/21/monoclonal-antibodies-covid-variants/

Some monoclonal antibodies have been rendered largely ineffective as the virus has mutated; others are expected to become so this winter if a wave of new omicron subvariants comes to dominate the pandemic landscape. For instance, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration recently warned that the widely used therapies Bebtelovimab and Evusheld may no longer work against some versions of the coronavirus.

The development is especially worrisome for people with weakened immune systems; vaccines are less effective in these patients, and many have instead turned to antibody therapy for protection. As these treatments wane, millions of people are at an increased risk of getting covid-19.






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Unmasked jogger infected 39 people with Omicron in Chinese park, study finds

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3201401/unmasked-jogger-infected-39-people-omicron-chinese-park-study-finds

The 41-year-old man was the first known case of the Omicron subvariant BA.2.76 identified in Chongqing and had fatigue but no other symptoms when he went for a run at around 7am on August 16.

Only one of the people he infected had been wearing a mask.
The jogger spent about half an hour in the park, running four times round a lake on a 4-metre (13ft) wide jogging track. He did not talk to anyone, touch anything or use the toilet.

The temperature was more than 33 degrees Celsius (91.4 degrees Fahrenheit), with mild humidity and local wind speeds between 0.5 and 3 metres per second.

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Next Covid-19 Strain May be More Dangerous, Lab Study Shows
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/next-covid-19-strain-may-be-more-dangerous-lab-study-shows-1.1851354

(Bloomberg) -- A South African laboratory study using Covid-19 samples from an immunosupressed individual over six months showed that the virus evolved to become more pathogenic, indicating that a new variant could cause worse illness than the current predominant omicron strain.

The research, conducted by the same laboratory that was to first test the omicron strain against vaccines last year, used samples from a person infected with HIV. The virus initially caused the same level of cell fusion and death as the omicron BA.1 strain, but as it evolved those levels rose to become similar to the first version of the coronavirus identified in Wuhan in China.

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https://local12.com/health/health-updates/new-covid-19-variant-cases-appear-to-be-doubling-every-2-weeks-coronavirus-subvariant-xbb-eligible-shots-vaccine-protection-cdc-central-disease-control-health-collaborative-doubling-booster-variants-cincinnati-ohio
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481. "^^I still don't know about this"
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I've seen no follow-up or anyone talking about it on the "web."

Is it true? Is it flawed? Did jogging give that many people COVID outside?

Did they find it because of their contact tracing infrastructure is so good? Or is this just made up?

I'm a but worried, but also more than a little uncertain.

I need to see more proof or trends that corroborate this.

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480. "12/06/2022"
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Why not wear that mask when walking around Target or Krogers? DYGAF if people can see your mouth and nose in Target???????????

CDC encourages people to wear masks to help prevent spread of Covid, flu and RSV over the holidays
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/05/cdc-encourages-people-to-wear-masks-to-prevent-spread-of-covid-flu-rsv.html

The Centers for Disease Control Prevention on Monday encouraged people to wear masks to help reduce the spread of respiratory illnesses this season as Covid, flu and RSV circulate at the same time.

CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky, in a call with reporters, said wearing a mask is one of several everyday precautions that people can take to reduce their chances of catching or spreading a respiratory virus during the busy holiday season.

“We also encourage you to wear a high-quality, well-fitting mask to prevent the spread of respiratory illnesses,” said Walensky, adding that people living in areas with high levels of Covid transmission should especially consider masking.

The CDC director said the agency is considering expanding its system of Covid community levels to take into account other respiratory viruses such as the flu. The system is the basis for when CDC advises the public to wear masks. But Walensky encouraged people to take proactive action.
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...everyone is so nasty with these hacking coughs and nose blowing every few seconds ..and of course we cant work remote anymore so nobody stays home


  

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483. "I've noticed A LOT more coughing lately"
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I mean *a lot* more in stores and even on hiking trails.

Sorry you have to work in an office if remote work would be functional.

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Omicron boosters are weaker against BQ.1.1 subvariant that is rising in U.S., study finds
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/06/covid-vaccine-omicron-boosters-weaker-against-bqpoint1point1-subvariant.html

But the boosters did not trigger a robust response when faced with BQ.1.1, the scientists found. Antibodies were about four times lower against BQ.1.1 compared with BA.5. These neutralizing antibodies prevent the virus that causes Covid-19 from invading human cells.

People with a prior history of infection who received an omicron booster, however, had a stronger response to BQ.1.1. Antibodies that neutralize BQ.1.1 were nearly four times higher in this group compared with individuals with no history of infection who faced the subvariant, the scientists found.

About 42% of adults in the U.S. have a prior history of infection, according to study published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention last week. The results were based on adult blood samples collected from August 2021 through May 2022.

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Same amount of long Covid symptoms following Omicron and Delta variants
https://sciencenorway.no/covid19-ntb-english-virus/same-amount-of-long-covid-symptoms-following-omicron-and-delta-variants/2120843

“We found that the risk of developing typical post-Covid symptoms that were diagnosed by a general practitioner (GP) after a Covid-19 infection was the same regardless of whether the patient had been infected by Omicron or Delta,” researcher Karin Magnusson at the Norwegian Institute of Public Health (NIPH) says in a press release (link in Norwegian).

Researchers from the NIPH and other organisations have followed 1.3 million Norwegians for 126 days after they were tested for the virus. They studied the individual’s contact with their GP regarding long Covid symptoms for up to 126 days following their test date.

The typical long Covid symptoms investigated were exhaustion, cough, muscle and skeletal pain, heart palpitations, shortness of breath, anxiety and depression, and difficulty concentrating.

Researchers did find a difference. Those infected with Omicron had a lower risk of going to the doctor with symptoms after 90 days or more had passed. There was also a lower incidence of musculoskeletal pain 90 days or more after Omicron infection than there was 90 days after Delta infection.

“Taken together, the findings show that Omicron will cause an equal, or somewhat lower, long-term burden on the primary healthcare service as a result of post-Covid complaints than what Delta will cause, but the difference between the virus variants is not big,” Magnusson says.

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China announces a roll-back of its strict anti-COVID-19 measures
https://www.npr.org/2022/12/07/1141172723/china-announces-a-roll-back-of-its-strict-anti-covid-19-measures

BEIJING — In a sharp reversal, China has announced a series of measures rolling back some of its most draconian anti-COVID-19 restrictions, including limiting harsh lockdowns and ordering schools without known infections to resume regular classes.

The National Health Commission in a 10-point announcement on Wednesday stipulated that COVID-19 tests and a clean bill of health displayed on a smartphone app would no longer be required, apart from vulnerable areas such as nurseries, elderly care facilities and schools. It also limited the scale of lockdown to individual apartment floors and buildings, rather than entire districts and neighborhoods.

People who test positive for the virus will be able to isolate at home rather than in overcrowded and unsanitary field hospitals, and schools where there have been no outbreaks must return to in-class teaching.

The announcement follows recent street protests in several cities over the strict "zero-COVID" policy now entering its fourth year, which has been blamed for upending ordinary life, travel and employment while dealing a harsh blow to the national economy.

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The TLDR i that *all* current monoclonal antibody treatemnts are not effective against XBB and Bq 1.1. VERY BAD NEWS.

Good news: These results suggest that remdesivir, molnupiravir, and nirmatrelvir are efficacious against both BQ.1.1 and XBB in vitro.

Link:
Efficacy of Antiviral Agents against Omicron Subvariants BQ.1.1 and XBB
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2214302

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China’s COVID Wave Is Coming
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2022/12/china-zero-covid-wave-immunity-vaccines/672375/

I hear the models predict 1.5 million deaths in China in the next year.


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Update from my work: We're back at high tier. Masks are required at *all* times including in cubicles. All travel cancelled unless approved by an C level executive. Something like a 11% COVID positivity and a 13% flu.

ICU beds at 90% capacity in some places and 100% in others.

XBB is the potential worry now. Flu is surging early.

Also:U.S. leading in Covid deaths again - we're number 1 in some bad things.

Get that booster. Mask up. Stay out of crowds unless it's *worth the risk.* Get tested if you think you have it. Take the medicine if you do.

Also: California will still end the COVID-19 State of Emergency on February 28, 2023.

Unrelated: Got blood titer work done and I was no longer mumps/measles immune. Got a booster.

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She's super diligent about keeping her mask on every time she leaves the house too, whether she's at school, dance, with friends, whatever. We don't go very many places with crowds. All of us got our boosters. But she came home Friday and didn't feel well and felt worse Saturday. Everybody took a test Monday. My wife and I are fine. Daughter? Not so much.

So, she's in her room and has one bathroom to herself. Everybody is wearing N95 masks in the house. I've got her windows cracked to get some additional ventilation and will replace the furnace filter. Since I'm back in the office I'm keeping my mask on. We will all test later this week.

And I'm making homemade chicken soup for the little one. My mom would do it, but that's not happening for reasons. At least daddy can try and do one thing to make his little girl feel a little better.

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Hope it goes well.

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my sister who lives with my parents, then my stepdad, then my mom, who we have been concerned about because of her other conditions.

everyone seems to be dealing with it well, but it's complicated treating it because apparently you can't take prednisone and paxlovid at the same time

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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489. "Udpate:Free tests available again"
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https://www.covid.gov/tests


You can order 4 more now.

Article: https://www.npr.org/2022/12/15/1142926180/free-covid-tests-mail-order

Americans can order four more free COVID-19 tests through the mail, starting on Thursday. It's part of the Biden administration's plan to deal with an increase in COVID cases sparked by indoor holiday gatherings.

The tests can be ordered on COVIDtests.gov and will start to ship the week of Dec. 19, a senior administration official told reporters on a conference call. The government is urging people to test themselves when they have symptoms, and before visiting with family.

It's the fourth round of free rapid tests this year. The White House had suspended the program in September and said that it would not be able to send out more kits because Congress denied requests for more funding for the program. But the administration shuffled around funds to buy more of the tests for the national stockpile, the official said.

"We know that the virus will circulate more quickly and easily as folks gather indoors for the winter holiday season," the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity. Officials saw cases increase after Thanksgiving, and anticipate that there could be another uptick after December holiday celebrations.

Tests are also available at community testing sites, food banks and schools, and through Medicare. People covered by private health insurance plans can get fully reimbursed for eight tests per month.

The federal government is trying to make it easier for Americans to get vaccines, tests and COVID treatments like Paxlovid during the winter months. It is staging supplies like ventilators as well as personal protective equipment, and wants to help states set up mobile and pop-up vaccination sites.

The government has a particular focus on nursing homes and long-term care facilities, and wants to work to vaccinate residents with the latest booster shot, and offer Paxlovid to people who get the virus.

"We are a few years into this pandemic, and we are prepared for this moment," the official said.

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Omicron BQ, XBB subvariants are a serious threat to boosters and knock out antibody treatments, study finds
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/14/covid-news-bq-xbb-omicron-subvariants-pose-serious-threat-to-boosters.html

Scientists, in a study published online in the journal Cell, found that the BQ and XBB subvariants are “barely susceptible to neutralization” by the vaccines, including the new omicron boosters.

This could result in a surge of breakthrough infections and reinfections, though the vaccines have been shown to hold up against severe disease, they wrote.

Key antibody drugs, Evusheld and bebtelovimab, were “completely inactive” against the new subvariants, according to the study.

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Coronavirus boosters cut hospitalization risk by at least 50%, CDC data shows
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/12/16/covid-booter-shot-tripledemic/

^That's an "easy to read article" but I think the intro paragraph from the CDC's report provides cleaere info:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm715152e1.htm?s_cid=mm715152e1_w

During June–October 2022, the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron BA.5 sublineage accounted for most of the sequenced viral genomes in the United States, with further Omicron sublineage diversification through November 2022.* Bivalent mRNA vaccines contain an ancestral SARS-CoV-2 strain component plus an updated component of the Omicron BA.4/BA.5 sublineages. On September 1, 2022, a single bivalent booster dose was recommended for adults who had completed a primary vaccination series (with or without subsequent booster doses), with the last dose administered ≥2 months earlier (1). During September 13–November 18, the VISION Network evaluated vaccine effectiveness (VE) of a bivalent mRNA booster dose (after 2, 3, or 4 monovalent doses) compared with 1) no previous vaccination and 2) previous receipt of 2, 3, or 4 monovalent-only mRNA vaccine doses, among immunocompetent adults aged ≥18 years with an emergency department/urgent care (ED/UC) encounter or hospitalization for a COVID-19–like illness.† VE of a bivalent booster dose (after 2, 3, or 4 monovalent doses) against COVID-19–associated ED/UC encounters was 56% compared with no vaccination, 31% compared with monovalent vaccination only with last dose 2–4 months earlier, and 50% compared with monovalent vaccination only with last dose ≥11 months earlier. VE of a bivalent booster dose (after 2, 3, or 4 monovalent doses) against COVID-19–associated hospitalizations was 57% compared with no vaccination, 38% compared with monovalent vaccination only with last dose 5–7 months earlier, and 45% compared with monovalent vaccination only with last dose ≥11 months earlier. Bivalent vaccines administered after 2, 3, or 4 monovalent doses were effective in preventing medically attended COVID-19 compared with no vaccination and provided additional protection compared with past monovalent vaccination only, with relative protection increasing with time since receipt of the last monovalent dose. All eligible persons should stay up to date with recommended COVID-19 vaccinations, including receiving a bivalent booster dose. Persons should also consider taking additional precautions to avoid respiratory illness this winter season, such as masking in public indoor spaces, especially in areas where COVID-19 community levels are high.


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DeSantis Flip-Flops From Covid Vaccine Supporter To Most Powerful Critic: Here’s What Happened
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2022/12/15/desantis-flip-flops-from-covid-vaccine-supporter-to-most-powerful-critic-heres-what-happened/?sh=6234563b7487

It's fucking pathetic.

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More from boosters:
Omicron boosters are 84% effective at keeping seniors from being hospitalized with Covid, CDC says

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/16/omicron-boosters-are-84percent-effective-at-keeping-seniors-from-being-hospitalized-with-covid-cdc-says.html

The latest omicron boosters are 84% effective at keeping seniors 65 and older from being hospitalized with Covid-19 compared with the unvaccinated, according to a study published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Friday.

And seniors who received the omicron booster had 73% more protection against hospitalization than those who only received two or more doses of the original vaccines that were not updated to target omicron, according to the CDC.

The study was conducted from September through November when omicron BA.5 and the even more immune evasive BQ.1 and BQ.1.1 variants were dominant. About 800 seniors with a median age of 76 were included in the analysis.

In a larger study that looked at more than 15,000 adults ages 18 and older, the omicron booster was 57% effective at preventing hospitalization. Adults who received the booster had 38% additional protection compared with people who only received the original shots.

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China news:

Shanghai hospital warns of 'tragic battle' as COVID spreads
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chinese-cities-give-out-free-fever-drugs-covid-flares-2022-12-22/


Shanghai hospital estimates 5.43 mln positives in city
Several cities distributing free anti-fever drugs
No COVID deaths for 2nd consecutive day, China says
First mRNA vaccines arrive in China for Germans
SHANGHAI/BEIJING, Dec 22 (Reuters) - A Shanghai hospital has told its staff to prepare for a "tragic battle" with COVID-19 as it expects half of the city's 25 million people will get infected by the end of next week, while the virus sweeps through China largely unchecked.

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WHO concerned over increasing reports of severe COVID-19 cases in China
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/who-expresses-concern-over-increasing-reports-of-severe-covid-19-cases-in-china

SwipHe said vaccination rates among people over age 60 in China lagged behind many other countries and that the efficacy of the Chinese-made vaccines was about 50%.

“That’s just not adequate protection in a population as large as China, with so many vulnerable people,” Ryan said. He added that while China has dramatically increased its capacity to vaccinate people in recent weeks, it’s unclear whether that will be enough.
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China estimates COVID surge is infecting 37 million people a day - Bloomberg News
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/china-estimates-covid-surge-is-infecting-37-million-people-day-bloomberg-news-2022-12-23/

Dec 23 (Reuters) - Nearly 37 million people in China may have been infected with COVID-19 on a single day this week, Bloomberg News reported on Friday, citing estimates from the government's top health authority.

About 248 million people, which is nearly 18% of the population, are likely to have contracted the virus in the first 20 days of December, the report said, citing minutes from an internal meeting of China's National Health Commission held on Wednesday.

NOTE from me: if 1/4 of 1% die from COVID that's 86,000 or more deaths from yesterday's infections alone.

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495. "12/23/2022 - One for Stadiq"
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TLDR: Biden signed a bill repealing a vaccine mandate rather than close down the department of defense and preventing a government shutdown. Have fun blaming the Republican's demand to repeal it or for the entire government to be shutdown by voting against the omnibus budget. See - they're ALL THE SAME!!!!!!

P.S. I'm mad as hell about this too - but I know who to blame. I expect *A LOT* more of this over the next 2 years.



Biden signs defense bill repealing military vaccine mandate
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/23/biden-defense-bill-military-vaccine-mandate-00075437


President Joe Biden signed an $847 billion defense policy bill on Friday, killing his own administration’s mandate that troops receive the Covid vaccine.

The National Defense Authorization Act, which prescribes military policy and budget priorities each year, cleared Congress this month with overwhelming bipartisan support. The compromise bill also prescribes a whopping $45 billion increase to the defense budget proposed by the Biden administration and would mark a roughly 10 percent increase in military spending over last year.

Biden’s signature, announced by the White House in a statement, marks the 62nd straight year a defense bill has been enacted.

Though the commander-in-chief approved the legislation, the administration has aired grievances with Congress over a variety of provisions.

Chief among those policy differences is a provision requiring the Pentagon’s vaccine mandate, issued in August 2021 by Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, to be repealed within 30 days of becoming law.

The repeal is a win for Republicans who pressed hard to do away with the rule that forced thousands of personnel who refused the shot out of the services, arguing it hurts a strained recruiting situation. And Democrats on Capitol Hill ultimately agreed to do away with the mandate.

Administration officials dinged Republicans, arguing the move undermines the health and readiness of the armed forces, but ultimately pointed to high vaccination rates in the military as a success story.

But the defense bill doesn’t bar the Pentagon from issuing a new vaccine requirement in the coming months, meaning Austin could implement a new policy once the old directive is repealed. That would likely spark a battle with the GOP-led House next year, when Republicans are expected to continue to press the Pentagon over reinstating troops who were kicked out and giving them back pay.

The bill also takes a red pen to Biden’s Pentagon budget, after both parties roundly rejected the blueprint as too low to counter Russia and China as well as mitigate the effects of inflation.

Ultimately, lawmakers authorized more money to purchase more aircraft and ships as well as defray the effects of inflation on the Pentagon, defense industry and personnel.

The final deal authorizes $847 billion in national defense funding, a $45 billion hike from Biden’s request. The Pentagon receives $817 billion of that and $30 billion goes to nuclear weapons programs under the Energy Department. The grand total comes to $858 billion when factoring in accounts that don’t normally fall under the armed services committees’ jurisdiction.

Congress must still enact funding legislation for the budget boost to become a reality, which is expected soon. The Senate on Thursday approved an omnibus government funding package that matches the government funding levels laid out in the defense bill. The House is set to vote on the measure on Friday, and Biden is expected to sign the spending deal in the coming days.

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Note:My library provides free access to the New York Times, your library might too. (You do have to authenicate/log in every day - but hey it's free.)

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/28/technology/covid-misinformation-online.html
As Covid-19 Continues to Spread, So Does Misinformation About It
Doctors are exasperated by the persistence of false and misleading claims about the virus.

Nearly three years into the pandemic, Covid-19 remains stubbornly persistent. So, too, does misinformation about the virus.

As Covid cases, hospitalizations and deaths rise in parts of the country, myths and misleading narratives continue to evolve and spread, exasperating overburdened doctors and evading content moderators.

What began in 2020 as rumors that cast doubt on the existence or seriousness of Covid quickly evolved into often outlandish claims about dangerous technology lurking in masks and the supposed miracle cures from unproven drugs, like ivermectin. Last year’s vaccine rollout fueled another wave of unfounded alarm. Now, in addition to all the claims still being bandied about, there are conspiracy theories about the long-term effects of the treatments, researchers say.

The ideas still thrive on social media platforms, and the constant barrage, now a yearslong accumulation, has made it increasingly difficult for accurate advice to break through, misinformation researchers say. That leaves people already suffering from pandemic fatigue to become further inured to Covid’s continuing dangers and susceptible to other harmful medical content.

“It’s easy to forget that health misinformation, including about Covid, can still contribute to people not getting vaccinated or creating stigmas,” said Megan Marrelli, the editorial director of Meedan, a nonprofit focused on digital literacy and information access. “We know for a fact that health misinformation contributes to the spread of real-world disease.”

Twitter is of particular concern for researchers. The company recently gutted the teams responsible for keeping dangerous or inaccurate material in check on the platform, stopped enforcing its Covid misinformation policy and began basing some content moderation decisions on public polls posted by its new owner and chief executive, the billionaire Elon Musk.

From Nov. 1 to Dec. 5, Australian researchers collected more than half a million conspiratorial and misleading English-language tweets about Covid, using terms such as “deep state,” “hoax” and “bioweapon.” The tweets drew more than 1.6 million likes and 580,000 retweets.

The researchers said the volume of toxic material surged late last month with the release of a film that included baseless claims that Covid vaccines set off “the greatest orchestrated die-off in the history of the world.”

Naomi Smith, a sociologist at Federation University Australia who helped conduct the research with Timothy Graham, a digital media expert at Queensland University of Technology, said Twitter’s misinformation policies helped tamp down anti-vaccination content that had been common on the platform in 2015 and 2016. From January 2020 to September 2022, Twitter suspended more than 11,000 accounts over violations of its Covid misinformation policy.

Now, Dr. Smith said, the protective barriers are “falling over in real time, which is both interesting as an academic and absolutely terrifying.”

“Pre-Covid, people who believed in medical misinformation were generally just talking to each other, contained within their own little bubble, and you had to go and do a bit of work to find that bubble,” she said. “But now, you don’t have to do any work to find that information — it is presented in your feed with any other types of information.”

Several prominent Twitter accounts that had been suspended for spreading unfounded claims about Covid have were reinstated in recent weeks, including those of Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, a Georgia Republican, and Robert Malone, a vaccine skeptic.

Mr. Musk himself has used Twitter to weigh in on the pandemic, predicting in March 2020 that the United States was likely to have “close to zero new cases” by the end of that April. (More than 100,000 positive tests were reported to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in the last week of the month.) This month, he took aim at Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, who will soon step down as President Biden’s top medical adviser and the longtime director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. Mr. Musk said Dr. Fauci should be prosecuted.

Twitter did not respond to a request for comment. Other major social platforms, including TikTok and YouTube, said last week that they remained committed to combating Covid misinformation.

YouTube prohibits content — including videos, comments and links — about vaccines and Covid-19 that contradicts recommendations from the local health authorities or the World Health Organization. Facebook’s policy on Covid-19 content is more than 4,500 words long. TikTok said it had removed more than 250,000 videos for Covid misinformation and worked with partners such as its content advisory council to develop its policies and enforcement strategies. (Mr. Musk disbanded Twitter’s advisory council this month.)

But the platforms have struggled to enforce their Covid rules.

Newsguard, an organization that tracks online misinformation, found this fall that typing “covid vaccine” into TikTok caused it to suggest searches for “covid vaccine injury” and “covid vaccine warning,” while the same query on Google led to recommendations for “walk-in covid vaccine” and “types of covid vaccines.” One search on TikTok for “mRNA vaccine” brought up five videos containing false claims within the first 10 results, according to researchers. TikTok said in a statement that its community guidelines “make clear that we do not allow harmful misinformation, including medical misinformation, and we will remove it from the platform.”
In years past, people would get medical advice from neighbors, or try to self-diagnose via Google search, said Dr. Anish Agarwal, an emergency physician in Philadelphia. Now, years into the pandemic, he still gets patients who believe “crazy” claims on social media that Covid vaccines will insert robots into their arms.

“We battle that every single day,” said Dr. Agarwal, who teaches at the University of Pennsylvania’s Perelman School of Medicine and serves as deputy director of Penn Medicine’s Center for Digital Health.

Online and offline discussions of the coronavirus are constantly shifting, with patients bringing him questions lately about booster shots and long Covid, Dr. Agarwal said. He has a grant from the National Institutes of Health to study the Covid-related social media habits of different populations.

“Moving forward, understanding our behaviors and thoughts around Covid will probably also shine light on how individuals interact with other health information on social media, how we can actually use social media to combat misinformation,” he said.

Years of lies and rumors about Covid have had a contagion effect, damaging public acceptance of all vaccines, said Heidi J. Larson, the director of the Vaccine Confidence Project at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine.

“The Covid rumors are not going to go away — they’re going to get repurposed, and they’re going to adapt,” she said. “We can’t delete this. No one company can fix this.”

Some efforts to slow the spread of misinformation about the virus have bumped up against First Amendment concerns.

A law that California passed several months ago, and that is set to take effect next month, would punish doctors for spreading false information about Covid vaccines. It already faces legal challenges from plaintiffs who describe the regulation as an unconstitutional infringement of free speech. Tech companies including Meta, Google and Twitter have faced lawsuits this year from people who were barred over Covid misinformation and claim that the companies overreached in their content moderation efforts, while other suits have accused the platforms of not doing enough to rein in misleading narratives about the pandemic.

Dr. Graham Walker, an emergency physician in San Francisco, said the rumors spreading online about the pandemic drove him and many of his colleagues to social media to try to correct inaccuracies. He has posted several Twitter threads with more than a hundred evidence-packed tweets trying to debunk misinformation about the coronavirus.

But this year, he said he felt increasingly defeated by the onslaught of toxic content about a variety of medical issues. He left Twitter after the company abandoned its Covid misinformation policy.

“I began to think that this was not a winning battle,” he said. “It doesn’t feel like a fair fight.”

Now, Dr. Walker said, he is watching as a “tripledemic” of Covid-19, R.S.V. and influenza bombards the health care system, causing emergency room waits in some hospitals to surge from less than an hour to six hours. Misinformation about easily available treatments is at least partly responsible, he said.

“If we had a larger uptick in vaccinations with the most recent vaccines, we probably would have a smaller number of people getting extremely ill with Covid, and that’s certainly going to make a dent in hospitalization numbers,” he said. “Honestly, at this point, we will take any dent we can get.”

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A promising new Covid pill shows key advantages over Paxlovid in trial
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/new-covid-antiviral-pill-trial-advantages-paxlovid-rcna63546

A new antiviral pill for Covid was found to be as effective as Paxlovid at curbing mild to moderate illness among people at high risk of severe disease in a Phase 3 trial in China.

The results, published Wednesday in The New England Journal of Medicine, suggest that the treatment had fewer side effects than Paxlovid, the go-to antiviral for high-risk patients. Around 67% of people who took the experimental pill, called VV116, reported side effects, compared to to 77% who took Paxlovid.

The new pill was also less likely than Paxlovid to cause unexpected side effects due to reactions with other medications, such as those for insomnia, seizures or high blood pressure.
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Highly immune evasive omicron XBB.1.5 variant is quickly becoming dominant in U.S. as it doubles weekly
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/30/covid-news-omicron-xbbpoint1point5-is-highly-immune-evasive-and-binds-better-to-cells.html

The Covid omicron XBB.1.5 variant has nearly doubled in prevalence over the past week and now represents about 41% of new cases in the U.S., according to CDC data.
XBB.1.5 is highly immune evasive and appears to bind better to cells than other members of the XBB omicron subvariant family.
Scientists at Columbia University have warned that the rise of subvariants such as the XBB family could “result in a surge of breakthrough infections as well as re-infections.”


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XBB.1.5 may be ‘most transmissible subvariant of Omicron to date,’ scientists warn

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/04/health/public-health-concerned-xbb/index.html


Health experts voiced concern Wednesday over the rapid growth of the new Omicron sublineage XBB.1.5, advising the public to stay informed but not alarmed as they work to learn more.

Over the month of December, the percentage of new Covid-19 infections in the United States caused by XBB.1.5 rose from an estimated 4% to 41%.

“That’s a stunning increase,” Dr. Ashish Jha, the White House Covid-19 response coordinator, wrote in a Twitter thread.

Officials at the World Health Organization shared similar thoughts Wednesday.

“We are concerned about its growth advantage,” said Maria Van Kerkhove, an epidemiologist who is the WHO’s technical lead on Covid-19.

Van Kerkhove noted that XBB.1.5, which was first detected in the United States, has spread to at least 29 countries and “is the most transmissible form of Omicron to date.”

“We do expect further waves of infection around the world, but that doesn’t have to translate into further waves of death because our countermeasures continue to work,” she said.

Jha noted that effective tools to avoid severe Covid-19 infections include rapid tests, high-quality masks, ventilation and filtration of indoor air, oral antiviral pills and updated vaccines.

“We will soon have more data on how well vaccines neutralize XBB.1.5,” Jha said, suggesting that research to determine vaccine effectiveness against the new sublineage is underway.

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Damar Hamlin: How anti-vaxxers exploited player's collapse
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64158202

Online activists used the on-field collapse of American football star Damar Hamlin to spread anti-vaccination messages starting just minutes after Monday night's incident.

In what has become a familiar pattern since Covid vaccines became available about two years ago, several influential accounts used the event to spread anti-vaccination content.

They included the Georgia congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene, who tweeted: "Before the covid vaccines we didn't see athletes dropping dead on the playing field like we do now... Time to investigate the covid vaccines."

That tweet was viewed around a million times within a day. But the idea that young, healthy athletes have never collapsed suddenly before Covid vaccines is easily disproven.

A US study looking at athletes over four years found many unexplained deaths were in fact caused by cardiac arrest - a cause more common in male and African-American players.

A study from 2016 notes that there are approximately 100 to 150 sudden cardiac deaths during competitive sports in the United States each year.

While rare and potentially dangerous cases of heart inflammation have been associated with some Covid vaccines, these real cases have been muddled together with unrelated illnesses and misinterpreted, sometimes cherry-picked data.

Combined with a wave of anti-vaccine activity online throughout the pandemic, it has given birth to a group of activists who ascribe nearly any tragic or unexplained death to vaccines.

The loudest voices in the anti-vaccination lobby have followed this pattern throughout the pandemic, even though heart problems are a symptom of Covid itself.

'Cynical' anti-vax lobby
Hamlin, a defensive back for the Buffalo Bills, suffered a cardiac arrest during Monday night's high-profile matchup against the Cincinnati Bengals.

On Wednesday he remained in hospital, but an uncle said he was showing signs of improving. There has been no further information about any underlying causes which could have contributed to his cardiac arrest.

Research by the Center for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH), a non-profit campaign group based in London and Washington, found that mentions of an anti-vaccine film quadrupled after the player's collapse.

CCDH chief executive Imran Ahmed said activists were "cynically exploiting tragedy to baselessly connect any injury or death of a notable person to vaccinations".

The day after the match the documentary Died Suddenly, which was released in November last year, was mentioned nearly 17,000 times, the CCDH says. The BBC previously looked into the claims in the film and found little or no evidence behind many of them.

Caroline Orr Bueno, a researcher on misinformation who has spent a decade looking at the anti-vaccination movement, says the film gave rise to communities of people across several social media platforms primed to hunt for news events to back up their views.

"They believe the anti-vaccine rhetoric that they are seeing," she says, "and they are joining in out of genuine concern without necessarily knowing that they're being misled."

Googling is not science
A Twitter account promoting the Died Suddenly video sent out a message just minutes after Hamlin was transported off the field in Cincinnati claiming there was an "undeniable pattern".

When contacted for a response, the owners of the account responded with a list of anecdotal reports of athletes suffering heart problems.

Backers of the film and other anti-vaccination activists collect news reports of heart attacks and unexplained deaths, automatically ascribing them to Covid-19 vaccines.

This focused obsession has created a hypersensitive pattern-spotting spiral, with activists and followers often believing the link between every sudden athlete death and vaccines is "obvious", although there is scant solid research to back up their claims.

Heart attack v cardiac arrest
While it might seem unusual for young, healthy people to experience heart problems, there are important differences between a heart attack and cardiac arrest.

Most heart attacks are caused by blockages in arteries and are associated with older people as well as lifestyle factors like smoking and diet.

Most cardiac arrests are caused by a problem with the heart's electrical system which keeps it pumping. These heart rhythm malfunctions are often genetically inherited and can be seen in young people who appear otherwise healthy.

Premier League fans will remember the dramatic moment in 2012 when Bolton's Fabrice Muamba collapsed, having suffered a cardiac arrest. The 23-year-old's heart stopped beating for 78 minutes.

A 2018 study by the Football Association looked back over 20 years of data from screening more than 11,000 players and found not only were cardiac deaths more common than previously thought - although still rare - but that most of them were in people with no previously diagnosed heart problem.

It started with Eriksen
One of the first clear examples of anti-vaccination activists taking advantage of a high-profile news event was the televised collapse of Danish football star Christian Eriksen during the European football championships in June 2021.

Influential accounts immediately began blaming Covid vaccines.

Only after the initial wave of speculation and misinformation was it revealed by the director of Eriksen's club at the time, Inter Milan, that the midfielder had not received a Covid-19 vaccine prior to his collapse.

In November, Twitter stopped enforcing its Covid misinformation policy, a development that Imran Ahmed of the CCDH called "particularly worrying".

"Anti-vax lies are deadly and platforms must stop allowing dedicated spreaders of disinformation from abusing their platforms and the trust of other users."

The BBC has contacted Twitter and Marjorie Taylor Greene for comment.

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NY, NJ COVID Hospitalizations Near Year-Highs as Wildly Contagious Variant Spreads: CDC
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/health/new-covid-variant-xbb-1-5-nyc-case-rates-state-hospitalizations-soar-cdc-data-shows/4037033/

You've probably heard about the XBB.1.5 variant; it's the latest "most transmissible COVID variant yet" and appears to be better at binding to human cells, which may make it more adept at infecting
There's no evidence at this point that the strain, a combination of two prior omicron subvariants, is more lethal or more likely to cause COVID complications, but as a top White House official said last week, if you haven't been vaccinated or infected lately, your protection probably isn't so good
Nowhere is XBB.1.5 more prevalent than in the northeastern United States, according to the CDC -- and rolling hospitalization and death rates, along with cases, are climbing accordingly

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https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-study-omicron-fighting-covid-boosters-cutting-hospitalization-by-81/


Israeli study: Omicron-fighting boosters cut hospitalization in over-65s by 81%

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https://www.reuters.com/world/china/air-travel-recovers-china-amid-covid-infection-worries-2023-01-14/

First up: the story on how China is saying only 60,000 deaths have occurred - their secret? First, they did what some people suggested here and only counting deaths from people with Covid-19 WHERE the cause of death on the death certificate was respiratory failure AND they have to had died in a hospital. 5,000 total deaths using that metric.

Then after criticism they started counting folks who died with Covid of another condition but only in a hospital - so 60,00 deaths.

So Florida , Trump *and some posters in this very thread* - China's doing what you want get much much much lower numbers with vaccines that aren't as effective as ours, no boosters, and much higher population. Congratulations.

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Also, Paul Offit wrote a highly critical OP-ED on boosters, published by NEJM: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2215780

Also: Offit didn't include studies showing improved efficacy in his op-ed, just the studies that supported his view:
https://erictopol.substack.com/p/the-bivalent-vaccine-booster-outperforms






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Liars.

1)China Lying
Eight in 10 people in China caught Covid since early December, say officials
Reported death toll surges to 72,000 after zero-Covid restrictions lifted; some experts estimate 1m deaths
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/23/80-of-people-in-china-caught-covid-since-early-december-say-officials

About 80% of China’s population has been infected with Covid-19 since restrictions were lifted in early December, Chinese health authorities have said.

The figure, which would equate to about 1.2 billion people but cannot be confirmed by outside bodies, prompted some pandemic experts to estimate that more than 1 million may have died – far more than the government’s official tally of about 72,000.

So: China has 12,000,0000 people.
Most were vaccinated over 18 months ago , no boosters since and used a less effective vaccine. Plus zero-Covid means not a lot of prior infections.

The U.S. has more of all that and has at a 1.1% death rate. (Not as high as Mexico, but higher than Finald.)

So, if China has the same death rate as the U.S. then over 1.3 million folks should have died - but they are reporting 72,000.

China is the new Florida.

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WSJ editorial board is wildly fucking insane:

The Deceptive Campaign for Bivalent Covid Boosters
Studies show they fail to live up to their promise, but vaccine makers and experts keep pushing them.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-deceptive-campaign-for-bivalent-covid-boosters-cdc-fda-biden-vaccines-moderna-pfizer-wuhan-imprinting-11674400955

TLDr is: Natural immunity is great, no boosters needed!!


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Again, thanks for continuing this effort.

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But I can't IMAGINE it'll happen with The Republican's in charge of the house, and the shift from DeSantis on it in Florida.

It's going to get a lot worse than it is today and shortly.

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