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"The Omicron coronavirus variant (B.1.1.529) thread"


          

Identified last Tuesday 11/24/2021.


What we know as of 11/27/2021:
Many mutations on the spike protein, up to 30 identified thus far.
83 cases verified in South Africa.
2 cases identified in the UK.
"Some" cases identified in Belgium, Botswana, Hong Kong and Israel.
Travel ban going into effect this Monday, 11/29/2021.

What we don't know as of 11/27/2021:
If it is more contagious.
If the disease is more severe.
If re-infection rate is higher.
If effectiveness of vaccination is lowered.
If Merck and Pfizer anti-virals are effective against it.


Upcoming:
Data expected from vaccine makers within 2 weeks.
Possible new vaccines - could take as little as 100 days - could take more depending on regulatory requirements.

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just got my booster this week.
Nov 27th 2021
1
RE: The Omicron coronavirus variant (B.1.1.529) thread
Nov 27th 2021
2
RESET BUTTON
Nov 27th 2021
3
sounds like some Transformer villain
Nov 27th 2021
4
Unicron.
Dec 05th 2021
21
so a woman I knew in HS posted photos of her son in the hospital
Nov 29th 2021
5
This has been a weird way to learn the Greek alphabet...
Nov 29th 2021
6
What do we go to when we hit the end of the alphabet?
Nov 29th 2021
9
      https://www.fox13news.com/news/no-more-greek-letters-heres-what-will-hap...
Nov 29th 2021
10
           Deshaun AND Tayshawn?!
Nov 29th 2021
13
           was about to mention this. we already did this w/ hurricanes. crazy. nm
Nov 29th 2021
15
scientists sounding a lot less gloomy.
Nov 29th 2021
7
all the scientists I know are like "we don't know anything and won't for...
Nov 29th 2021
11
      This is why I'm not reading any more omicron articles
Nov 29th 2021
12
           definitely felt like a well timed scare tactic
Nov 29th 2021
14
           omfg
Nov 30th 2021
16
           27 paragraphs in "no one knows anything"
Nov 30th 2021
17
11/19/2021 updates
Nov 29th 2021
8
Gonna start slinging this Novavax blood on the corner
Nov 30th 2021
18
12/03/2021 updates
Dec 03rd 2021
19
Media reports are STILL saying "cases are mild" ..but
Dec 05th 2021
20
      The severity of a case can be assessed long before death.
Dec 05th 2021
22
           Maybe, but I'm not statistican
Dec 05th 2021
23
piece of shit racist ass spanish newspaper
Dec 06th 2021
24
It was inevitable...may go as far as to say intentional
Dec 06th 2021
25
      south africa has more than enough vaccine.
Dec 06th 2021
26
looking more transmissible but less severe than delta (c) fauci
Dec 06th 2021
27
This makes sense. The only reason it is notable is the increased
Dec 06th 2021
28
While I welcome any potentially good news in regards to COVID
Dec 06th 2021
29
that was just when omicron was first officially identified and announced...
Dec 06th 2021
30
looking like good news in terms of vaccine effectiveness too.
Dec 06th 2021
32
planned a surprise Bday party for my wife, now I don't know how she'll r...
Dec 06th 2021
31
my wife is the same way
Dec 06th 2021
33
I think people just want to talk about nonsense
Dec 08th 2021
34
12/09/2021 Updates - Still largely unknown
Dec 09th 2021
35
12/12/2021 updates: Confusing but hopeful
Dec 12th 2021
36
This is definitely troublesome...
Dec 13th 2021
37
      Is it?
Dec 13th 2021
38
           Death reported - but who knows why (details inside)
Dec 13th 2021
39
           It is to me...for a couple reasons.
Dec 13th 2021
40
           The flu that used to kill 300-650k people yearly?
Dec 13th 2021
41
                how many people do you know who've died of the flu?
Dec 13th 2021
43
                     Countering stats w/ anecdotes!?
Dec 14th 2021
46
                          It's not a counter it's a question
Dec 17th 2021
78
New theory I heard on a podcast about rate of infection
Dec 13th 2021
42
12/14/2021: Data starts coming in
Dec 14th 2021
44
Stats like this are confusing to me...
Dec 14th 2021
45
this chart of cases from the uk is bad bad.
Dec 15th 2021
47
12/16/2024: mixed news
Dec 16th 2021
48
I appreciate you compiling these
Dec 16th 2021
49
So could this end up being a good thing?
Dec 16th 2021
50
no one has reported this
Dec 16th 2021
53
>huge spike in deaths,
Dec 16th 2021
54
      yup
Dec 16th 2021
55
Everyone, What does this mean to you?
Dec 21st 2021
97
just wanted to pop in here with a #themoreyouknow
Dec 16th 2021
51
I hope you do well
Dec 16th 2021
52
apparently the difference is the sore vs itchy/scratchy throat
Dec 16th 2021
56
I’m going to get tested within the hour
Dec 17th 2021
57
itchy throat and a soft cough due to nasal drip were the first symptoms
Dec 17th 2021
69
      Negative for COVID! PCR test
Dec 18th 2021
81
ive had two scares
Dec 17th 2021
76
What do these outbreaks among the vaccinated mean....
Dec 17th 2021
58
That institution-wide policy is primarily guided by liability concerns
Dec 17th 2021
59
also the most vaccinated areas/entities
Dec 17th 2021
61
Virus has changed a lot - I'll bet we get new vaccine
Dec 17th 2021
66
I had a conversation with an ER doctor last night
Dec 17th 2021
60
heres some good news about hospitalizations out of south africa.
Dec 17th 2021
62
aaaand a study out of uk says no evidence omicron is milder than delta.
Dec 17th 2021
64
      Yeah but the Vaccine though
Dec 17th 2021
67
      This goes back to what I was confused about in post 45...
Dec 17th 2021
68
           yeah and one big difference between usa and other countries
Dec 17th 2021
73
                GREAT point.
Dec 17th 2021
74
Keep rooting for it
Dec 17th 2021
63
12/17/2021: Mixed bag still - many unknowns - but bad is trending
Dec 17th 2021
65
From what I understand, things are pretty bad in England
Dec 17th 2021
70
I'm supposed to go to the UK for work in January...
Dec 17th 2021
71
cases skyrocketing in the uk but deaths seem to be stable.
Dec 17th 2021
72
if you have any cold symptoms (even mild), you probably have covid - UK
Dec 17th 2021
75
Well, they just moved PG County schools back to virtual
Dec 17th 2021
77
"As Omicron Hits, COVID Case Counts Don't Mean What They Used To"
Dec 18th 2021
79
BULLSHIT opinion piece
Dec 18th 2021
80
      ^^^^^^ all of this
Dec 18th 2021
84
      If you’d prefer to stay nervous, stay nervous
Dec 18th 2021
86
           he mentioned 100,000 dead recently and you got snarky
Dec 18th 2021
87
           We see your values
Dec 19th 2021
88
                This rings sooooo true
Dec 19th 2021
89
omicron
Dec 18th 2021
82
12/18/2021 - More bad news
Dec 18th 2021
83
SNL 12/18/2021
Dec 18th 2021
85
It's going to be really hard to avoid this... for everyone.
Dec 19th 2021
90
12/19/2021
Dec 19th 2021
91
12/20/2019
Dec 20th 2021
92
I really appreciate this post. It should be pinned
Dec 20th 2021
93
12/21/2021 : Omicron dominant
Dec 21st 2021
94
THIS RIGHT HERE...
Dec 21st 2021
95
      RE: THIS RIGHT HERE...
Dec 21st 2021
96
      their talking point lately is
Dec 21st 2021
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           They are disingenuous AND stupid
Dec 21st 2021
99
                Yes. BOTH disingenuous AND stupid.
Dec 21st 2021
101
                     Several attendees of right wing conference suddenly mysteriously ill
Dec 22nd 2021
104
FYI - many people with omicron are testing negative at the onset
Dec 21st 2021
100
12/22/2021: Nearly a month - remember...
Dec 22nd 2021
102
That multi-purpose vaccine should be helpful
Dec 22nd 2021
103
this is the most people in my personal circle to get covid.
Dec 23rd 2021
105
12/23/2021
Dec 23rd 2021
106
12/24/2021: So much "hope" pinned on this
Dec 24th 2021
107
Are omicron particles smaller? Why do cloth masks not work?
Dec 24th 2021
108
      They’ve been consistent the entire pandemic that
Dec 24th 2021
109
      Cloth mask were never as good as other mask
Dec 24th 2021
110
      MASKS NEVER WORKED
Dec 27th 2021
113
           Are you serious?
Dec 27th 2021
114
                He LEGIT got that from the poster Musa
Dec 27th 2021
116
      it's not continuously changing, it's been really, really clear
Dec 27th 2021
117
           Cloth masks were better than no masks, if I'm not mistaken
Dec 28th 2021
124
Are these good?
Dec 24th 2021
111
I decided that only NIOSH masks should be used now ;)
Dec 27th 2021
112
12/27/2021; One Month in
Dec 27th 2021
115
Yea bc people are idiots
Dec 27th 2021
118
500,000 positive tests per day should trigger a shut down.
Dec 27th 2021
119
      almost feels like shutting things down
Dec 28th 2021
120
           Prolong the inevtiable??
Dec 28th 2021
122
                Plenty of people absolutely believe this
Dec 28th 2021
125
                yes.. I think its inevitable that people will get infected
Dec 28th 2021
135
My entire family potentially has this as of today......
Dec 28th 2021
121
damn
Dec 28th 2021
126
12/28/2021
Dec 28th 2021
123
The airlines asked for quarantine to be less
Dec 28th 2021
127
      people just worn out fam. Chill.
Dec 28th 2021
131
      You are making his point
Dec 28th 2021
133
      trump called covid a hoax.
Dec 28th 2021
138
      please stop. just stop. You're a hypocrite
Dec 28th 2021
159
      political energy is wasted energy. That’s my point.
Dec 28th 2021
145
           Literally everything is political
Dec 28th 2021
160
      nah.. he has a point
Dec 28th 2021
137
           dems did not call trump racist for blocking flights from china.
Dec 28th 2021
140
           so what about Joe's South Africa ban?
Dec 28th 2021
161
           they would but we could do that double standard thing all day
Dec 28th 2021
142
           why not?
Dec 28th 2021
164
           dog had the CDC cut isolation in half under Trump??
Dec 28th 2021
165
                Your premise of "unconditional love' for DEMs is faulty
Dec 29th 2021
170
      So that was the only reason?
Dec 28th 2021
141
      Wait, ya'll really believe HCQ is POISON?
Dec 28th 2021
144
      First, you don't think masks helps stop the spread of disease.
Dec 28th 2021
148
           I know masks don't work
Dec 29th 2021
171
      cmon. You're better than this.
Dec 28th 2021
162
           thank you
Dec 29th 2021
172
      yuuuuup
Dec 28th 2021
146
           fam that is not what biden said.
Dec 28th 2021
149
           Bad faith all around
Dec 28th 2021
150
           he did not say that. not at all.
Dec 28th 2021
151
                cool, so the federal govt is leaving the states to make individual
Dec 28th 2021
154
                     bro you were dead wrong. its ok. it happens.
Dec 28th 2021
155
                          Uh-huh.
Dec 28th 2021
157
                               Its funny they do the same thing they accused you of
Dec 28th 2021
163
                                    BRUH, THIS SHIT HERE:
Dec 29th 2021
166
                                    they think being critical of Dems = traitor/ alt-right simp
Dec 29th 2021
168
im exhausted fam.
Dec 28th 2021
128
All this. That movie Don’t Look Up was blatant satire re:
Dec 28th 2021
130
      ha. yeah
Dec 28th 2021
132
      i see people calling the movie 'preachy'.
Dec 28th 2021
134
           yeah, it's not even preachy. it's openly clowning
Dec 28th 2021
136
                i dont understand why they can openly degrade/dehumanize us
Dec 28th 2021
143
                Yep - the people calling it preachy prove it's points.
Dec 28th 2021
153
That shit had me and my girl down and out
Dec 28th 2021
129
Are you vaccinated?
Dec 28th 2021
139
      Yeah but its been over 6 months. Was just about to
Dec 28th 2021
152
death rate for middle aged whites has *doubled*
Dec 28th 2021
147
white people: 70% of deaths since june, 80% of december
Dec 29th 2021
167
      the things that slide by
Dec 29th 2021
173
12/28/2021 update fo NYC
Dec 28th 2021
156
Yep. My agency ranged from about 3-5 positives per 7 days
Dec 28th 2021
158
12/29/2021 - Records broken
Dec 29th 2021
169
12/30/2021 - records broken again
Dec 30th 2021
174
Yeah…this isn’t going away…we living with this for a while…
Dec 31st 2021
175
01/02/2022
Jan 02nd 2022
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01/03/2022
Jan 03rd 2022
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Here's some hospitalization/death numbers:
Jan 03rd 2022
179
88% effective against symptomatic infection?
Jan 03rd 2022
181
      88% in those "lab tests"
Jan 03rd 2022
184
           i caught it 3-4 weeks after the booster
Jan 03rd 2022
194
Vitamin D
Jan 03rd 2022
178
Another video
Jan 03rd 2022
183
Campbell's channel is really good
Jan 03rd 2022
185
yeah, i've been watching him
Jan 03rd 2022
186
Wrong place
Jan 03rd 2022
190
Campell going more crazy over time
Jan 22nd 2022
260
      Cambell now says COVID deats are over reported
Jan 26th 2022
263
           Campbell in love with ivermectin disinfomation
Mar 09th 2022
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I wish this lady and Campbell were right, but it's flimsy
Jan 03rd 2022
188
      i didn't watch the ivermectin stuff
Jan 03rd 2022
189
      Found this study after a quick search on Google scholar
Jan 03rd 2022
191
      Just wanted to add
Jan 03rd 2022
193
           yeah that's where i get most of mine from...& my friends at the WHO/CDC
Feb 16th 2022
280
Most of us sent our kids off to get infected today...
Jan 03rd 2022
180
Our school district went virtual this week, with the plan to
Jan 03rd 2022
182
Charlotte schools start up tomorrow
Jan 03rd 2022
187
We are truly in a bizarro world timeline...
Jan 03rd 2022
192
      Biden admin wants schools open
Jan 06th 2022
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           I'm more cautious than the current admin but things HAVE changed
Jan 06th 2022
199
           the bar should not be so low
Jan 07th 2022
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                RE: the bar should not be so low
Jan 07th 2022
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                Nearly a quarter of hospitals are reporting a critical staff shortage
Jan 10th 2022
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                My hospital detailed our policy this week
Jan 11th 2022
225
           Fuck him and Psaki forever for this
Jan 06th 2022
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                Right? It doesn't even make sense politically
Jan 07th 2022
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                ^^^
Jan 10th 2022
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                Lori Lightfoot has COVID
Jan 12th 2022
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                     It's good she gets to isolate and recover, then work from home
Jan 13th 2022
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My wife and I been worrying for weeks
Jan 04th 2022
195
01/04/2021 - 1 Million Cases a day
Jan 04th 2022
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01/05/2022
Jan 05th 2022
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01/07/2022
Jan 07th 2022
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01/09/2022 - Stop calling it mild
Jan 09th 2022
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lol @ that Tucker Carlson quote...
Jan 09th 2022
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01/10/2022 - Even vaccinated people are pushing "herd immunity" now
Jan 10th 2022
209
When liberal is mostly a stand in for non right white people
Jan 10th 2022
210
I was just frustrated, sorry
Jan 10th 2022
211
most people are sheep
Jan 10th 2022
213
...
Jan 10th 2022
212
I do have to say
Jan 10th 2022
215
      Long COVID is real
Jan 10th 2022
216
      Of course.
Jan 10th 2022
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      Risk reduction imo
Jan 10th 2022
218
      sounds like a
Jan 10th 2022
220
      Strap in for the next 5-10 years of this
Jan 10th 2022
219
      there's no good reason to do so. Which is why you're seeing
Feb 16th 2022
281
just an optimistic reminder...
Jan 10th 2022
214
...
Jan 10th 2022
221
      lmao
Jan 10th 2022
222
Holy Shit 1.3 Mil Cases yesterday
Jan 11th 2022
223
1/11/2022 - Record number of hospitalizations
Jan 11th 2022
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RE: Vaxxed and done
Jan 11th 2022
226
I think my personal attitude/daily life choices lean "vaxxed and done"
Jan 11th 2022
227
      RE: so why continue to avoid living life?
Jan 11th 2022
228
      But at this point it seems like all we can control is our personal healt...
Jan 11th 2022
229
           Because of people in group 3...there should be national mandates
Jan 11th 2022
230
           I support mandates
Jan 11th 2022
235
           Having kids complicates your option 1...
Jan 11th 2022
232
      >so why continue to avoid living life?
Jan 11th 2022
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      I guess, for me, "living my life" doesn't mean going 100% back to pre-CO...
Jan 11th 2022
234
      Exactly, my approach from the beginning has always been the same
Jan 11th 2022
236
      We got real lax this summer
Jan 12th 2022
240
      Bruh, you went to Disneyland
Jan 12th 2022
239
      this is, easily, the most pragmatic Covid post I've read on OKP
Jan 12th 2022
241
      yeah, i'm pretty much here too
Jan 12th 2022
242
I will feel Vaxxed and done once my infant daughters us vaxxed
Jan 11th 2022
231
01/12/2022
Jan 12th 2022
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Can't find at home tests. No available appointments.
Jan 12th 2022
243
That’s what’s crazy about the high case levels….
Jan 13th 2022
245
      Yeah. Numbers have to be much higher.
Jan 13th 2022
246
           Or what about the people who do multiple test a week?
Jan 13th 2022
248
                my state tracks by individual...please stop
Jan 13th 2022
249
                Just want to push back on one thing here (RE: "free" vaccine)
Jan 16th 2022
252
                     cmon
Jan 16th 2022
253
                That's so dumb i thought you were being sarcastic at first. Lmao
Jan 17th 2022
256
01/13/2022
Jan 13th 2022
247
anyone savvy enough to put together some data?
Jan 14th 2022
250
John Hopkins has a lot of data like that, but....
Jan 16th 2022
251
01/17/2022
Jan 17th 2022
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On more 01/17/2022
Jan 17th 2022
255
01/18/2022
Jan 18th 2022
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01/19/2002 - The UK goes Florida
Jan 19th 2022
258
01/21/2022 (Still less than 2 months since Omicron identified)
Jan 21st 2022
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01/23/2022 - deaths still HIGH
Jan 23rd 2022
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01/24/2022 - TWO MONTHS IN
Jan 24th 2022
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01/28/2022
Jan 28th 2022
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There really isn't a vaccine for kids under 5.
Jan 28th 2022
265
What was the results of your trial?
Jan 29th 2022
266
      For me or my kid?
Jan 31st 2022
268
           your kid, we don’t care about you… j/k
Feb 10th 2022
270
01/31/2022
Jan 31st 2022
267
02/10/2022 Highest deaths rates in a year
Feb 10th 2022
269
so, why are all these places loosening restrictions?
Feb 10th 2022
271
      cause America is tired of it and the weather is getting better
Feb 10th 2022
272
      They blame the gov't for loosening restrictions last year...
Feb 10th 2022
273
           institutions have been failing on this topic for years now
Feb 10th 2022
275
                I guess I can see a difference between...
Feb 16th 2022
278
                The gravitas you are rightfully calling for would incite a LOT of ????
Feb 16th 2022
282
      Because the case numbers are down.
Feb 10th 2022
274
           Case numbers down - but relative to what numbers
Feb 10th 2022
276
                Oh I absolutely agree...just saying what is being used for
Feb 10th 2022
277
02/16/2022 -
Feb 16th 2022
279
Denmark
Feb 17th 2022
283
      Lots of complaining about this one on social media
Feb 17th 2022
284
           Denmark's case numbers for the pandemic are weird...
Feb 17th 2022
285
02/18/2022 - Ba2 may be more severe than B1
Feb 18th 2022
286
Anybody really surprised?
Feb 18th 2022
287
02/23/2022
Feb 23rd 2022
288
so is it true most mask mandates end March 1st?
Feb 27th 2022
289
Is this a bit???
Feb 28th 2022
290
Big mask!
Feb 28th 2022
291
3/2/2022 TEST TO TREAT!!!!!!!
Mar 02nd 2022
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03/09/2022
Mar 09th 2022
293
03/10/2022 DELTACRON??
Mar 10th 2022
295
Transformers Season 3, after the Movie...
Mar 10th 2022
296
03/13/2022 - Obama and booster
Mar 13th 2022
297
03/25/2022 - Omicron not sleeping
Mar 25th 2022
298
03/28/2002 - Free tests ending
Mar 28th 2022
299
03/29/2022 - Boosters
Mar 29th 2022
300
CDC Green Lights 4th Dose Boosters For Most Americans Over 50
Mar 29th 2022
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04/02/2022 - Records in the UK - and the US
Apr 02nd 2022
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04/08/2022 - remember when MILLIONS of people got covid every day? Gues ...
Apr 08th 2022
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04/13//2022
Apr 13th 2022
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Vice President Harris tests positive
Apr 26th 2022
305
04/27/2022
Apr 27th 2022
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Hurray for endemics !!
Apr 27th 2022
307
Pandemic for the rest of the world though
Apr 27th 2022
308
They have to rip this mask and gloves off me.
Apr 27th 2022
309
vaccinated were 4 in 10 deaths in Jan and Feb
Apr 27th 2022
310
      While it’s true that we were seeing higher deaths among those
Apr 27th 2022
311
      You shouldn't be vaxxed and dying from COVID
May 29th 2022
      You shouldn't be vaxxed and dying from COVID
May 29th 2022
336
      WTF? Did you even read the thread you are reposting??
Apr 27th 2022
312
           ^^^^^^^^^ exactly
Apr 28th 2022
313
           What % of current “Covid deaths” are deaths FROM covid
Apr 28th 2022
314
           https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/covid-19.htm
May 02nd 2022
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           Yes. Bottom line is the vaccines alone are not the answer
May 29th 2022
335
05/02/2022 - San Diego updates
May 02nd 2022
315
05/03/2022
May 03rd 2022
317
Let's see what the numbers do between Memorial Day and 4th of July
May 04th 2022
318
RE: 05/03/2022
May 04th 2022
319
      I have a private theatre rental on Sunday
May 05th 2022
320
           I think I'm going to wait on this movie...
May 05th 2022
321
05/06/2022
May 06th 2022
322
05/07/2022- coming back strong!
May 07th 2022
323
05/16/2022 - 1 million
May 16th 2022
324
RE: 05/16/2022 - 1 million
May 16th 2022
325
      Pfizer or Moderna?
May 16th 2022
326
           RE: Pfizer or Moderna?
May 16th 2022
327
                Cool. Yeah I need to figure out the proper timing. I have some
May 16th 2022
328
11/24/2021 - 05/24/2021 Six month-aversery!
May 24th 2022
329
RE: 11/24/2021 - 05/24/2021 Six month-aversery!
May 24th 2022
330
05/29/2022 - Covid cases over 100,000 and you won't see masks (almost)
May 29th 2022
331
I avoided getting Covid this entire time. Positive test this morning.
May 29th 2022
332
      Lotta people I know getting it this week
May 29th 2022
333
      Hoep you do okay - no shame
May 29th 2022
334
      Thanks - I’m doing great at the moment. Really the only bad
May 30th 2022
337
      Same thing happened to me today. I work in public education
May 30th 2022
338
      Yep, caught it last week. Same deal.
Jun 27th 2022
341
06/09/2022 - Surge!
Jun 09th 2022
339
06/27/2022 - HUGE surge (where I'm at)
Jun 27th 2022
340
definitely a surge here too
Jun 27th 2022
342
07/01/2022 - Omicron boosters proably coming
Jul 01st 2022
343
Pulse oximeters and dark skin
Jul 02nd 2022
344
07/05/2022
Jul 05th 2022
345
my number got called, it got me...
Jul 05th 2022
346
Dang! Sorry to hear that. Every time I cough or have a headache
Jul 05th 2022
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just placed my second order with the post office for 8 more....
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RE: Dang! Sorry to hear that. Every time I cough or have a headache
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Where do you *think* you got it?
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I've thought hard about it and...
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got me (and like 10 people in my family) recently too.
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      RE: got me (and like 10 people in my family) recently too.
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      RE: got me (and like 10 people in my family) recently too.
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can someone educate me on reinfection?
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Some
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RE: can someone educate me on reinfection?
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still a lot of unknowns with reinfection and long covid
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I finally got it....
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I got COVID 1 year ago today
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07/11/2022
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good blog post here on future of covid vaccines
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That could really help
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yea, it seems like the future
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You'll probably want a better source
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07/13/2020
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07/21/2022 - Biden caught COVID :(
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I'll even go easy on you here
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      Kinder, politer, slow genocide
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      ...
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      Too many people are taking precautions and still catching it
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      JUST GET THE VAXXXXX!!!!
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           What kind of insanity did you just post?
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Finally got got
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Same. Got it did the first time
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Mom got COVID last night
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Definitely odd considering Biden’s care package
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Molnupiravir may just have fewer drug interactions
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Damn, man...hoping for the best
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She's doing OK today, but is sick
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      She says she feels "normal" again
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           Feeling great, but still testing positive
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                Good.
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                glad to hear she's faring well
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                Good to hear.
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                She tested negative yesterday
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8/12/2022 - CDC gives up
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To be fair
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It's crazy what is being normalized these days
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08/15/2022
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COVID test expiration dates lengthened
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tariqhu
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1. "just got my booster this week. "
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hopefully the current vaccines will handle this new new. guess we'll find out.

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2. "RE: The Omicron coronavirus variant (B.1.1.529) thread"
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cancelling my trip to kenya in two weeks. i've being planning this trip for three years and have moved this trip three times. my concern isn't even catching covid, its having my flight cancelled or restricted from traveling to seychelles after kenya. everyone is so panicked, who knows what is going to happen in two weeks.

  

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3. "RESET BUTTON"
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4. "sounds like some Transformer villain"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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21. "Unicron."
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5. "so a woman I knew in HS posted photos of her son in the hospital"
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he got covid and 6 weeks later had some serious issues that had him laid up in the hospital for weeks. It was bad.. and he isn’t out of the woods yet bjt finally out of the hospital.

Going to get my daughter signed up for her vax.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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6. "This has been a weird way to learn the Greek alphabet..."
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9. "What do we go to when we hit the end of the alphabet?"
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Do like bra sizes and go “double-Alpha”?
Go to a whole ‘nother alphabet?

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10. "https://www.fox13news.com/news/no-more-greek-letters-heres-what-will-hap..."
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https://www.fox13news.com/news/no-more-greek-letters-heres-what-will-happen-when-we-run-out-of-hurricane-names-this-time

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13. "Deshaun AND Tayshawn?!"
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15. "was about to mention this. we already did this w/ hurricanes. crazy. nm"
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7. "scientists sounding a lot less gloomy."
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the virus is seemingly more transmissible but also more mild than delta and/or the vaccine (especially with booster) is still very effective against it.

  

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11. "all the scientists I know are like "we don't know anything and won't for..."
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weeks"
www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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12. "This is why I'm not reading any more omicron articles"
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As soon as it dropped it was a new thing for every news site to beat to death in 40 different fear mongering articles that all have one sentence buried in it saying "we don't know shit yet". I'll give af when there's a reason to.

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14. "definitely felt like a well timed scare tactic"
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I’m sure every home had the “omg Omnicron” talk at Thanksgiving

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16. "omfg"
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WELL TIMED SCARE TACTIC

or maybe most msm is just bad at their jobs

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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17. "27 paragraphs in "no one knows anything""
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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8. "11/19/2021 updates"
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No news on severity or transmissibility.
No news on vaccine effectiveness.
No news on anti-viral effectiveness.

Travel bans:
U.S. Travel bans apparently only bars non-citizens at this point. So if you are a citizen and coming from a 'banned' country you can still get in. (Seems pretty useless.)

Vaccines:
Both Pfizer and Moderna announce they are working on new vaccine targeting variant

More cases found:
Detected in Canada now.
Portugal's football team has 13 cases
6 cases in Scottland - not all have travelled
Also:
Europe

Austria
Belgium
Denmark
England
France
Germany
Italy
The Netherlands
Portugal
Scotland
Switzerland (probable case)
Africa

Botswana
South Africa
Middle East

Israel
Asia and the Pacific

Australia
Hong Kong

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18. "Gonna start slinging this Novavax blood on the corner"
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Who trying to get some

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19. "12/03/2021 updates"
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More cases, including in the U.S.

Scientist think it's twice as contagious as the delta variant.

Reports from South Africa that it's infected children under 5:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/omicron-variant-puttings-huge-numbers-of-kids-under-5-years-old-in-hospital-in-south-africa

No actually clinical data but the "rumors" are that cases are less severe than delta - but AGIAN no data yet - data follow infection by around 3 weeks.


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20. "Media reports are STILL saying "cases are mild" ..but"
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The news is pushing "cases are mild" narrative - when WE KNOW DEATHS TAKE 2-8 WEEKS TO BE REPORTED!!

I hope it stays mild, but I'm waiting for a HUGE BACKLASH if we have a week of this "reporting" mild cases and then deaths occurs at similar (or greater rates) than O.G., Alpha and Delta.

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22. "The severity of a case can be assessed long before death."
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You don't have to wait to see if someone died to determine if the case was severe or not.

  

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23. "Maybe, but I'm not statistican"
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>You don't have to wait to see if someone died to determine if
>the case was severe or not.
You have to wait a certain period of time AND since msot COVID cases are not severe you need some significant amount of data to draw from.

The reports I've been seeing that cite numbers are citing "Out of 20 cases none have been severe."
Example:
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/04/covid-news-what-we-know-about-us-omicron-cases.html

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Oh,I missed that a South African hospital posted a report, but the data is very preliminary and it represents a small amount of cases:
https://www.samrc.ac.za/news/tshwane-district-omicron-variant-patient-profile-early-features

"It is essential to recognize that the patient information presented here only represents the first two weeks of the Omicron wave in Tshwane. The clinical profile of admitted patients could change significantly over the next two weeks, by which time we can draw conclusions about the severity of disease with greater precision.

Though the NICD has confirmed that almost all cases of SARS-C0V-2 in Tshwane are due to the new variant, we have not been able to establish that in every instance the variant is Omicron as the PCR machine in use at the SBAH laboratory does not screen for the S-gene. A reasonable assumption is being made that the cases described here represent infection with the new variant.

The main observation that we have made over the last two weeks is that the majority of patients in the COVID wards have not been oxygen dependent. SARS-CoV-2 has been an incidental finding in patients that were admitted to the hospital for another medical, surgical or obstetric reason."

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24. "piece of shit racist ass spanish newspaper"
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https://twitter.com/yodifiji/status/1467446247787274244

In general, the response to the Omicron variant has really shown how racist these so-called developed countries are, and the fact that evidence is suggesting that the variant didn't even stem from South Africa (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/02/where-did-omicron-covid-variant-come-from-and-where-is-it-circulating.html) yet countries continue to ban southern African nations is egregious.

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25. "It was inevitable...may go as far as to say intentional"
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https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/covid-19-vaccination-rates-by-country

Africa as a continent is not vaxxed
That's how the virus works
Not making the vaxx available to all is basically a breeding ground for variants
Big Pharma is holding on to those IP rights
...otherwise...we'd probably be out of this nonsense by now...for the most part

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26. "south africa has more than enough vaccine. "
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but...like america...they have more than enough antivaxxers too.

their problem isnt scarcity. its hesistancy. to the point that they actually had to tell vaccine manufacturers to slow shipments to the country.

they are only 35% fully vaxxed but have already hit a wall in terms of people willing to get the vax.

this was from right before the omicron news broke out:
https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/exclusive-south-africa-delays-covid-vaccine-deliveries-inoculations-slow-2021-11-24/

  

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27. "looking more transmissible but less severe than delta (c) fauci"
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https://twitter.com/AP/status/1467617048897499138

  

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28. "This makes sense. The only reason it is notable is the increased"
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level of transmissibility, but from what scientists have said, the variants should typically be decreasing in severity as time goes on.

Still means omicron is dangerous for unvaccinated people and those at higher risk, and definitely another reason to get your booster shot.

  

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29. "While I welcome any potentially good news in regards to COVID"
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I also remember hearing that it would take at least two weeks to get definitive word on how severe Omnicron is. This is little over a week since Omnicron was first detected if I'm not mistaken.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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30. "that was just when omicron was first officially identified and announced..."
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>This is
>little over a week since Omnicron was first detected if I'm
>not mistaken.

theyve traced the strain to cases in europe/netherlands that occurred a little earlier.

  

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32. "looking like good news in terms of vaccine effectiveness too."
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https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1467928970092068864

  

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31. "planned a surprise Bday party for my wife, now I don't know how she'll r..."
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My wife has been sooo careful during covid, I swear she is made for the apocalypses. Given that though, she is so dubious about meeting up or going out with people.


I started planning a surprise bday a month ago for the 18th of Dec. It will be only family, about 20 in all and it will both outside/inside kinda deal.

Out of all the 20 guest, the only person not vaccinated against Covid is our 6 month old daughter. All adults have gotten their boosters and all the other children have gotten their 2 doses.

I'm not sure if it'll be an issue. I am trying to make it as covid conscious as possible, but this fucking variant is making me doubt myself.

If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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33. "my wife is the same way"
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and the 6 month old is def a reason to hesitate or be against it

but I think sometimes my wife doesn’t want to do stuff and uses covid as an excuse.

we went to Vegas tho.. no issues, lol.

coworker has a baby shower she doesn’t feel like attending? “ehhhh, covid yo”

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34. "I think people just want to talk about nonsense"
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One thing is for sure the travel ban is overtly racist. But racism is just an excuse.

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35. "12/09/2021 Updates - Still largely unknown"
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"Concerning stories"
4th shot may be needed, but 2 shots likely prevents severe disease: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/12/09/covid-omicron-variant-live-updates/


"Good news"
CDC says data on severity from new variant thus far is "mild" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/09/cdc-chief-omicron-mild-early-data-us-spread-variant

Looks like it is still gonna be a few weeks before we really know more.

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36. "12/12/2021 updates: Confusing but hopeful"
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Looks like the vaccines are less likely to stop INFECTION but may be helpful in preventing severe disease - but the numbers are still too small to nail it down.

Both stories are for Pfizer. No Moderna or other vaccine studies released yet. No work on the monoclonal anti-bodies or any of the ant-viral pills.


Israeli study:
'Three shots of Pfizer COVID vaccine 4x less effective against Omicron'
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/two-covid-vaccine-shots-does-not-protect-against-omicron-sheba-688496

She added that “it looks like with Omicron there is a chance that people with the booster could get infected, but have much less chance of getting seriously infected.”

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Pfizer Course Has 23% Efficacy Vs. Omicron in South African Study
https://time.com/6127710/omicron-pfizer/

A two-shot course of Pfizer Inc.’s vaccine has just 22.5% efficacy against symptomatic infection with the omicron variant, but can thwart severe disease, according to laboratory experiments in South Africa.

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Most reported U.S. Omicron cases have hit the fully vaccinated -CDC
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/most-reported-us-omicron-cases-have-hit-fully-vaccinated-cdc-2021-12-10/

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said that of the 43 cases attributed to Omicron variant, 34 people had been fully vaccinated. Fourteen of them had also received a booster, although five of those cases occurred less than 14 days after the additional shot before full protection kicks in.

Among the Omicron cases, 25 were in people aged 18 to 39 and 14 had traveled internationally. Six people had previously been infected with the coronavirus.

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37. "This is definitely troublesome..."
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38. "Is it? "
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Honestly - we never know anything until months after we THINK we do, but it'd seem like this variant ACTUALLY turns covid into the cold/flu. No deaths so far, and while nobody wants to get sick - if this becomes the dominant strain, isn't that preferable?

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39. "Death reported - but who knows why (details inside)"
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Britain reports first death with Omicron coronavirus variant
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/britain-says-omicron-spreading-phenomenal-rate-2021-12-13/

What the article says: Someone with omicron died in the UK. Died from what? No idea. could have been COVID. Could have come in with a heart attack, got a positive COVID test, then died falling down stairs.


Conclusion: None.

The death numbers take weeks to be recorded - so it's still very unknown if this strain causes less damage and/or death at this point.

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40. "It is to me...for a couple reasons."
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If the transmissibility of this variant is high, with vaccines (including boosters) offering minimal protection against getting it, I worry about vaccinated folks (like me) getting it and passing on to those who can't get vaccinated for one reason or another.

For me specifically, both of my kids are vaxxed (my youngest is 7, just got his second dose so he isn't "fully" protected for another week or so. They are in school full time, and cases in the district have been skyrocketing. But I have a baby niece who is 15 months, obviously too young to get vaxxed. We'd been keeping her a few times a month, but news like this absolutely gives me pause about continuing that - I'd be horrified if one of my kids got sick and passed it on to her.

That situation isn't unique - I have plenty of friends/family with kids too young to get vaxxed, or people who ARE fully vaccinated but have other health conditions which might put them in the category of needing hospitalization. I have an employee of mine, fully vaxxed, who just got out of the hospital with a breakthrough case. She has several underlying health conditions, but is definitely an example that if a more transmissible varrient is out there spreading without the vaccines keeping the spread down, it's gonna eventually have some inpact when it comes to hospitalizations/deaths.

You also have the public perception issue of folks STILL holding out on getting vaccinated, and this just adds another thing to add to their confirmation bias...

  

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41. "The flu that used to kill 300-650k people yearly?"
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The flu that no longer exists?

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43. "how many people do you know who've died of the flu?"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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46. "Countering stats w/ anecdotes!?"
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LOL how the mighty have fallen. 50K Americans die yearly of FLU but since RJCC the troll of the decaade doesnt know any (do you know anybody in real life?) then it can't possibly be like COVID

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78. "It's not a counter it's a question"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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42. "New theory I heard on a podcast about rate of infection"
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In the Bubble with Andy Slavitt
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/preparing-for-the-omicron-wave-with-trevor-bedford/id1504128553?i=1000544783870

Theory is: Omicron may not be more transmissible than Delta - just that the delta is not spreading as fast as it could have because people have some prior immunity from delta if they had any previous strain of covid.

The theory is Omicron may evade some of that immunity to it appears to spread faster than delta because prior immunity is not slowing it down nearly too the same degree.

No theory on severity mentioned, just on how "fast" it appears to be spreading.


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44. "12/14/2021: Data starts coming in"
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-omicron-variant-real-world-data-pfizer-vaccine-prevents-hospitalization/

Real-world data suggest 2 doses of Pfizer vaccine 70% effective at preventing hospitalization with Omicron variant

Note from me: Not 70% against infection.
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/pfizer-says-its-covid-19-pill-likely-works-against-omicron-11639482302

Pfizer Says Its Covid-19 Pill Likely Works Against Omicron
Antiviral drug Paxlovid stayed 89% effective at reducing the risk of hospitalization and death in a final analysis of a key study in high-risk adults

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https://www.businessinsider.com/us-expect-large-wave-omicron-cases-hospitalization-biden-official-axios-2021-12

A 'large wave' of Omicron cases and hospitalizations is coming to the US, Biden official tells Axios





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45. "Stats like this are confusing to me..."
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>Real-world data suggest 2 doses of Pfizer vaccine 70%
>effective at preventing hospitalization with Omicron variant
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>Note from me: Not 70% against infection.

I read the article but didn't see the detail there - 70% of what? In other words, is this saying that 30% of people who had 2 Pfizer vaccine doses but got breakthrough cases of Omicron ended up in the hospital, while 70% or those with 2 Pfizer vaccine doses that got breakthrough cases didn't end up in the hospital with Omicron? (In this case 100% of those in the study would have gotten breakthrough cases.)

Or is it saying that 70% of those with 2 Pfizer doses didn't go to the hospital (separate from accounting for protection against breakthrough cases - so in this case an unknown percentage of those in the study would have gotten breakthrough cases, while the rest of those vaccinated didn't get Covid at all.)

Or is it saying that 2 Pfizer doses are 70% as effective against hospitalization for Omicron vs against prior variants of Covid like Delta?

  

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47. "this chart of cases from the uk is bad bad."
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGqrbl8X0AIvDom?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

you might miss it but that red dot on the right is the continuing spike.

its looking like hospitalizations/deaths arent as bad as delta percentage wise. but with such an increase in raw cases...deaths/hospitalizations could still be significant even if at a lower percentage. and most of the increases we are already seeing here are because of delta without omicron fully hitting yet (we usually lag the uk/eu by some weeks). so 2 waves together really with waning vaccine effectiveness (both natural and vs omicron) sans booster. and you can see how this could get ugly for our state health systems really quick.

it says a lot that florida has highest rate rise in the *winter*.
https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1470444081750892545

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48. "12/16/2024: mixed news"
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Omicron variant may multiply 70 times faster than delta, study finds:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/12/16/covid-sports-leagues-vaccinations-omicron-variant/8917732002/

The omicron variant multiplies 70 times faster in the human bronchial tubes than the initial COVID-19 infection or the delta variant, according to a new study from the University of Hong Kong.

The lightning-fast spread within people may explain why the variant may transmit faster among humans than previous versions, the researchers say. Their study also showed the omicron infection in the lung is significantly lower than the original SARS-CoV-2, which may be an indicator of lower disease severity. The research is currently under peer review for publication.
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Current Covid boosters are enough to fight the omicron variant, Fauci says
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/current-covid-boosters-are-enough-fight-omicron-variant-fauci-says-rcna8868

"Our booster vaccine regimens work against omicron. At this point, there is no need for a variant-specific booster," Fauci, also the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said.

During Wednesday's briefing, Fauci cited lab data showing that a third dose of Moderna's Covid-19 vaccine increases the shots' ability to neutralize the omicron variant by a "substantial degree." That research, he said, will be available to the public in the coming days or weeks.

Last week, Pfizer and its partner BioNTech said that their analysis of blood samples in a lab showed a third dose of their Covid vaccine offered strong protection against the omicron variant.

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Cornell University Reports 930 COVID Cases, Including Omicron Variant
By Carolyn Crist

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20211215/cornell-university-covid-cases-omicron

Dec. 15, 2021 -- Cornell University reported 930 new coronavirus cases among students and staff Dec. 7-13, with a “very high percentage” identified as Omicron variant cases in fully vaccinated people.

“Virtually every case of the Omicron variant to date has been found in fully vaccinated students, a portion of whom had also received a booster shot,” Joel Malina, the vice president for university relations, told CNN.

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49. "I appreciate you compiling these"
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No additional comment. These have been informative and convenient to read. Thanks!

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50. "So could this end up being a good thing?"
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The virus multiplying much more greatly in the bronchial tubes but much less in the lungs is in line with other studies about it being way more transmissible but significantly less severe…so is this a way to eventually get us to herd immunity without a huge spike in deaths, regardless of the consistent group of people against getting vaccinated?

  

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53. "no one has reported this"
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but i hope the virus is adapting to essentially become another version of the common cold

more easily transmitted, less severe keeps viruses from burning out too quickly (hosts don't die so the virus has a better chance of surviving)

still wish we had more mitigation strategies in place in case it heads the other direction again

  

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54. ">huge spike in deaths,"
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If it's much more transmissible but only slightly less severe then you could end up with more disease AND more deaths.

I don't think we know how this scenario will actually play out.

What if it is more transmissible AND the more severe? Then it's a lot worse.

Going have to wait and see.

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55. "yup"
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97. "Everyone, What does this mean to you?"
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>“Virtually every case of the Omicron variant to date has
>been found in fully vaccinated students, a portion of whom had
>also received a booster shot,” Joel Malina, the vice
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51. "just wanted to pop in here with a #themoreyouknow"
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tested positive and i'm pretty sure it's omicron. i'm three shots in and so far have mild symptoms.

started off with an itchy throat and post nasal drip with a corresponding light cough, followed by lower back pain... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/lower-back-pain-scratchy-throat-emerge-symptoms-omicron/

now it's basically congestion. similar to a cold but actually not as harsh (at the moment).

so the moral of the story is, get tested even with the most minimal symptoms. with this going around now there is a good chance you do not have seasonal congestion or allergies or a mild cold. you probably have covid. and i think there is a lot of community spread happening because people are out and about with a stuffy nose or itchy throat thinking nothing of it. so yeah, get tested if you feel off in the slightest.

  

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52. "I hope you do well"
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My ,likely delta, infection in July also started with a sore throat.

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56. "apparently the difference is the sore vs itchy/scratchy throat"
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https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/585915-the-symptom-that-tells-you-youve-caught-omicron

that's why i think there are a ton of people walking around with this right now thinking it's nothing. that's why we're seeing cases surge in industries with frequent testing (ie sports) and not so much in society as a whole (at least that's the case here in LA). under the surface I think omicron is already running rampant.

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57. "I’m going to get tested within the hour"
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I’ve had that itchy/scratchy throat feeling - feels like a peanut skin is stuck in there or something. Very annoying.

Was up coughing since 3 AM.

Got used to checking temp. and blood oxygen levels since COVID started - those have been fine. And otherwise I feel fine other than the coughing and a mildly stuffy nose. But I didn’t realize Omicron’s symptoms are so different. I’m thinking I have it, but we’ll see.

  

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69. "itchy throat and a soft cough due to nasal drip were the first symptoms"
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followed by congestion/stuffy nose and a fucked up lower back.

these are all the main symptoms reported of omicron. it mirrors a common cold (for many, especially if vaccinated).

  

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81. "Negative for COVID! PCR test"
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That’s a relief, with Christmas a week away. Must just have a cold, which is starting to clear up.

  

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76. "ive had two scares"
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one was after a business trip in october, came back with a stuffy nose. negative.

second one was yesterday. my landlord stopped by the house to do some maintenance last friday. yesterday he told me he tested positive for covid. i got tested yesterday and negative.

i havent really had a reason to get tested other than these times. havent felt any symptoms or had reason to suspect i was exposed.

that test sucks, straight up feels like your brain is being poked. it doesnt last for long but it is unpleasant. that said i will continue to test as necessary.

got my booster two weeks ago so hopefully i keep avoiding this thing.

  

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58. "What do these outbreaks among the vaccinated mean...."
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...mean for the efficacy of the vaccines and for public policy?

Cornell--97% fully vaccinated. They have a recent outbreak and shut the university down. Other universities experiencing surges too, even though they are highly vaccinated.

NBA--97% fully vaccinated (60% boosted). Outbreak. Players held out, games postponed.

NHL--Highly vaccinated. Outbreak. Games postponed

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59. "That institution-wide policy is primarily guided by liability concerns"
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Most of the decisions made by the private bodies that you're naming, universities and sports leagues, are being made because those institutions are concerned with bad press and lawsuits - not necessarily in that order.

Doesn't mean they're the wrong decisions. But they're reflecting a lot broader calculus than vaccine efficacy and disease severity. Lawyers and accountants factor into them just as much as doctors.Even if I don't like the basis for the reasoning, it's one of the few material forces that's pushing us toward caution rather than just shouting "BUSINESS!" like our country usually does.

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61. "also the most vaccinated areas/entities"
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are gonna strongly correlate with higher and more robust levels of testing, reporting, variant identifying/tracing, etc.

no doubt omicron is doing its thing among unvaccinated, rurals, etc
(like every other wave/variant). but the quantifying capacity isnt in those places right now.

itll become clear when the hospitalizations/deaths are several times higher from omicron in those places compared to the places who are already addressing it now tho. even tho its more mild overall...the same disparities will be there.

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66. "Virus has changed a lot - I'll bet we get new vaccine"
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Seems like boosted people THS FAR are doing okay - the rest of the data is still unknow at this time.

But I'll bet we get a new vaccine sooner than later.

And hopefully the Pfizer Covid treatment pill PAXLOVID will be on the market soon.

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60. "I had a conversation with an ER doctor last night"
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Our kids are in the same class and this woman was almost in tears every time I talked to her last year at the height of COVID.

I saw her last night because our kids are in the same class and the school decided to start Christmas Break early and cancel the last two days of school and she was saying it was bullshit.

That is, COVID cases may be up but ICU Hospitalizations are not up. Among the vaccinated, testing positive for COVID means a cold and not necessarily a bad cold for most.

That's anecdotal (and of course fits neatly with my perspective) but it does seem like we can't regard this outbreak the same as the outbreak we saw last year.


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62. "heres some good news about hospitalizations out of south africa."
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https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1471804322019258370
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Bloomberg: South Africa Hospitalization Rate Plunges in Omicron Wave - “Only 1.7% of identified Covid-19 cases were admitted to hospital in the second week of infections in the fourth wave, compared with 19% in the same week of the third delta-driven wave”
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this is key too:
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The number of Covid-19 hospitalizations in this wave is also being inflated by the fact that milder patients are being admitted because there is room to accommodate them. Many are there for other complaints but are routinely tested, according to health officials.
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maybe the same trend is playing out over here.

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64. "aaaand a study out of uk says no evidence omicron is milder than delta."
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i give up lol.

https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1471839260068093953

ive seen doctors in comments to these articles saying that the trends in south africa might just be because they have a low vaccination rate (under 40% i believe) and a younger population thats been 70-80% previously infected with earlier variants. so more/different type of collective immunity.

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67. "Yeah but the Vaccine though"
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I guess the only thing I care about is how COVID hits vaccinated people (and people who can't get vaccinated).

If Omnicrom and Delta are hitting the vaccinated like just a bad cold, then I think we can live with that.



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68. "This goes back to what I was confused about in post 45..."
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Because there are all these articles discussing stats of efficacy against hospitalization and deaths and the articles don't mention any context around the vaccination rate of those in the study. Or to your point, the percentage that had been previously infected.

There's just so much context around risk levels here, and that context is rarely conveyed in a short tweet.

  

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73. "yeah and one big difference between usa and other countries"
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is that the covid environment in other countries is a lot more homogeneous/nationalized.

we got different states, different laws, different approaches, different political/media environments, etc.

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74. "GREAT point. "
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63. "Keep rooting for it"
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I hope your right, but I hoped Trump was right when he said
"You know, a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in. Typically, that will go away in April."


I think a vastly more transmissible version of a virus, unless it is also vastly less severe, is still bad news.

And I still don't know if catching omicron acts as (at least temporary) protection from catching delta. What if people get BOTH? What if they get omicron and then think they are protected and then get delta?

Why are people making these judgements already when the data isn't in yet?

I wonder if they'll feel the same in a weeks IF people are still getting delta at a similar rate AND a lot of people are ALSO getting omicron. Then it's a numbers game again.

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65. "12/17/2021: Mixed bag still - many unknowns - but bad is trending"
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Omicron five times more likely to re-infect than Delta, study says

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/omicron-five-times-more-likely-reinfect-than-delta-study-says-2021-12-17/

The risk of reinfection with the Omicron coronavirus variant is more than five times higher and it has shown no sign of being milder than Delta, a study by Imperial College London showed, as cases soar across Europe and threaten year-end festivities.

The results were based on UK Health Security Agency and National Health Service data on people who tested positive for COVID-19 in a PCR test in England between Nov. 29 and Dec. 11.

"We find no evidence (for both risk of hospitalisation attendance and symptom status) of Omicron having different severity from Delta," the study said, although it noted that data on hospitalisations remains very limited.

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https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-global-infectious-disease-analysis/covid-19/report-49-Omicron/
Study says previous COVID infection provides little immune help against


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AstraZeneca therapy works against Omicron; results mixed for Regeneron
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/regeneron-says-antibody-therapy-has-lower-potency-against-omicron-2021-12-16/

This is for the prophylactic monoclonal antibody injection Evusheld



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J&J, Sinopharm, Sputnik V COVID-19 shots less effective against Omicron -study

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/jj-sinopharm-sputnik-v-shots-weaker-against-omicron-study-shows-2021-12-17/


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70. "From what I understand, things are pretty bad in England"
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And they're about three to four weeks ahead of us. So that tracks with the speculation that this is going to hit hard by January.

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71. "I'm supposed to go to the UK for work in January..."
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We have a branch office of our company in London that's been added to the team I manage, so I'm supposed to go their to lead a training for the group. I DEFINITELY don't want to be going overseas during this, and I'm sure the trip will get cancelled, but it hasn't officially happened yet.

One of those situations where no one wants to make the call so they are hoping that either the US or UK governments make the call for them.

  

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72. "cases skyrocketing in the uk but deaths seem to be stable."
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https://twitter.com/VincentRK/status/1471873947985719303

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75. "if you have any cold symptoms (even mild), you probably have covid - UK"
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that is their stance right now.

it's going to be a crazy couple months.

btw - it's already here in large numbers: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/omicron-dominant-wastewater-samples-florida-county-81793644



  

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77. "Well, they just moved PG County schools back to virtual "
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No in person schooling until 1/18/22. The number of reported COVID cases were exploding. They had moved 3 schools in the area to virtual earlier in the week. Some kids in my daughter's class had it too. The e-mails didn't go out until late in the weekend. I got a call from the principal Monday morning before we were heading to drop her off. the initial policy was if the child is fully vaccinated and had no symptoms, they could come back to school. If they were not vaxxed they had to quarantine and be observed. Quite a few kids were out this week. Because of the late notice, some parents had to come back that morning and pull their children out.

Now, my daughter has been fully vaxxed for a couple months, so she was fine. We took her for a rapid test Wednesday and it was negative. But, they adjusted their policy today and said we had to get her anyway. So, my wife had to leave work and bring her home. Notice that everyone is back to virtual came via text about 45 minutes ago.

This feels eerily like spring 2020 when the virtual schools first started. Small trickle of cases, larger wave, hastily dumping kids out of school just before the holiday break, and online schooling until who knows when. Honestly I'm surprised it took this long for something to happen in schools.

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79. ""As Omicron Hits, COVID Case Counts Don't Mean What They Used To""
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essential reading. If you're vaccinated, you should have all of the peace of mind you'd ever need.

https://time.com/6129225/omicron-covid-19-case-counts/

  

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80. "BULLSHIT opinion piece"
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100,000 people in the US have died in the last 11 weeks.

This article is just opinion - and it's basically another way of saying "Don't worry about the hundreds of thousands dying - it's fine."

The comparisons to the flu smack of stupidity. This is much more contagious AND much more deadly than the flu.

This lady has been WRONG about a lot in the past - why does this opinion piece ease your mind? She's ALWAYS saying things aren't bad and will only get better.

3 other wrong opinion pieces by her:
7 Reasons Why We Should Not Need Boosters for COVID-19
https://leaps.org/booster-shot/

No, you probably won’t need a COVID-19 vaccine booster shot, says UCSF’s Monica Gandhi
https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/No-you-probably-won-t-need-a-COVID-vaccine-16200250.php

Covid Will Soon Be Endemic, Thank Goodness
Widespread immunity, vaccinated and natural, will bring control and a full return to normal.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-endemic-vaccines-measles-smallpox-pandemic-coronavirus-11633015316

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84. "^^^^^^ all of this"
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You’re killing this thread and it’s much appreciated

  

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86. "If you’d prefer to stay nervous, stay nervous "
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These vaccines exist for a reason

  

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87. "he mentioned 100,000 dead recently and you got snarky"
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Being cautious, having empathy for immunocompromised, etc should not be chalked up to just "being nervous"

  

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88. "We see your values"
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>These vaccines exist for a reason
We got the point already bro. You sound like my uncle saying “don’t let fear run your life” because he heard it on Fox News. He died of Covid a few months ago.

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89. "This rings sooooo true"
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>> You sound like my uncle saying
>“don’t let fear run your life” because he heard it on
>Fox News. He died of Covid a few months ago.

My cousin has the same line of thinking, even after his mom passed from COVID complications.

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82. "omicron"
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most likely to become the most dominant variant now.

tinfoil hat me.

  

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83. "12/18/2021 - More bad news"
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The share of people testing positive in New York City doubled in three days this week, and one of the mayor's top health experts says it's an indication of omicron evading immunity in a way no other variant had before.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/this-is-a-whole-new-animal-breakthrough-infections-rattle-nyc-amid-omicron-surge/3456543/

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NFL postpones three Week 15 games due to COVID-19 surge
https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-covid-week-15-game-postponement

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It's not clear yet if Omicron is a milder variant. But its rapid spread is certain to overwhelm hospitals, experts say
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/18/health/us-coronavirus-saturday/index.html


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85. "SNL 12/18/2021"
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‘SNL’ COVID-19 outbreak cancels Paul Rudd live audience, Charli XCX out
https://nypost.com/2021/12/18/snl-has-covid-19-outbreak-may-cancel-everyone-is-fearful/

A source added that the “show must go on but don’t expect to see Colin Jost, Sarah Sherman or (Aristotle) Athari.” Jost, 39, usually hosts “Weekend Update” with Michael Che, 38, while Sherman, 28, and Athari, 30, are both newcomers to the ensemble this season.
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90. "It's going to be really hard to avoid this... for everyone."
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as i sit here with it and all the time in the world to use google, the more i'm convinced that this is borderline inescapable, unless you personally revert to march/april 2020 levels of lockdown. and if you live in a densely populated area the odds are even more stacked against you.

we are going to be looking at a record number of case counts in a couple weeks. and i'm gonna assume the messaging from the cdc and government is going to move away from the importance of counting cases to a focus more on severe disease and hospitalizations. that's where this is going (imo).

  

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91. "12/19/2021"
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Your Monday Briefing: Omicron Evades Many Vaccines

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/19/briefing/your-monday-briefing-omicron-evades-many-vaccines.html

A growing body of preliminary research suggests most Covid vaccines offer almost no defense against infection from the highly contagious Omicron variant. The only vaccines that appear to be effective against infections are those made by Pfizer and Moderna, reinforced by a booster, which are not widely available around the world.

Other vaccines — including those from AstraZeneca, Johnson & Johnson and vaccines manufactured in China and Russia — do little to nothing to stop the spread of Omicron, early research shows. Because most countries have built their inoculation programs around these vaccines, the gap could have a profound impact on the course of the pandemic.
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Two leading COVID-19 drugs may not work against omicron variant

https://myfox8.com/news/coronavirus/two-leading-covid-19-drugs-may-not-work-against-omicron-variant/

For more than a year, antibody drugs from Regeneron and Eli Lilly have been the go-to treatments for early COVID-19, thanks to their ability to head off severe disease and keep patients out of the hospital.

Stay on top of breaking news and weather with the FOX8 mobile app.
But both drugmakers recently warned that laboratory testing suggests their therapies will be much less potent against omicron, which contains dozens of mutations that make it harder for antibodies to attack the virus. And while the companies say they can quickly develop new omicron-targeting antibodies, those aren’t expected to launch for at least several months.

A third antibody from British drugmaker GlaxoSmithKline appears to be the best positioned to fight omicron. But Glaxo’s drug is not widely available in the U.S., accounting for a small portion of the millions of doses purchased and distributed by the federal government. U.S. health officials are now rationing scarce drug supplies to states.

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Fauci: Record coronavirus deaths in US from omicron likely

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/586480-fauci-record-coronavirus-deaths-in-us-from-omicron-likely

“Do you expect new record high numbers for cases? And what about hospitalizations and deaths?” Tapper asked.

“Yes, well, unfortunately, Jake, I think that that is going to happen,” Fauci confirmed. “We are going to see a significant stress in some regions of the country on the hospital system, particularly in those areas where you have a low level of vaccination, which is one of the reasons why we continue to stress the importance of getting those unvaccinated people vaccinated.”


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https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/19/politics/elizabeth-warren-covid-positive/index.html

"I regularly test for COVID & while I tested negative earlier this week, today I tested positive with a breakthrough case. Thankfully, I am only experiencing mild symptoms & am grateful for the protection provided against serious illness that comes from being vaccinated & boosted," she tweeted. "As cases increase across the country, I urge everyone who has not already done so to get the vaccine and the booster as soon as possible - together, we can save lives."

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92. "12/20/2019"
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Moderna says its booster significantly raises Omicron-fighting antibodies

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/moderna-booster-shot-covid-vaccine-antibodies-omicron/

London — Moderna announced preliminary data on Monday that it said showed a third, booster dose of its coronavirus vaccine appeared to significantly increase antibodies that can help fight off an infection with the Omicron variant. Moderna said lab tests showed Omicron-neutralizing antibodies were low after two doses of its jab, but 29 days after a booster dose of 50 micrograms, they increased about 37-fold.

The 50 microgram dose is given as a booster with the Moderna shot, but the company's data showed that a full, 100 microgram booster dose increased antibody counts even more, around 83-fold.
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Fauci warns Omicron COVID variant ‘raging through the world’
Top US infectious diseases expert warns hospitals in the country could face stresses in coming weeks as COVID-19 infections surge.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/20/fauci-warns-of-bleak-winter-with-omicron-raging-through-world


“No matter how you look at it,” he said, “when you have so many, many infections, even if it is less severe, that overcomes this slight to moderate diminution in severity.”

“Our hospitals, if things look like they’re looking now in the next week or two, are going to be very stressed,” particularly in areas of the country with low levels of vaccination, Fauci said.

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California braces for Omicron wave amid grim forecasts, concerns for hospitals

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-12-20/how-are-southern-california-hospitals-faring-with-covid-now

Some doctors are concerned that people are so fed up with the pandemic that they won’t wear masks at a time when transmission is expected to climb.

“My concern — and the concern across the country — is the fatigue with regard to mask wearing and social distancing” as the more transmissible Omicron variant spreads, said Dr. Stephanie Hall, chief medical officer for Keck Medicine of USC and USC Norris Comprehensive Cancer Center. “People are tired. And they’re not sticking with it.”

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93. "I really appreciate this post. It should be pinned "
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"I don't speak to provoke. I speak because I think our time on Earth is short and each moment that we are not our truest selves, each moment we say what we do not mean because we imagine that is what somebody what's us to say, then we are wasting our time

  

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94. "12/21/2021 : Omicron dominant"
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Omicron is now the dominant U.S. COVID variant. Is it as contagious as measles?

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Is-omicron-as-contagious-as-the-measles-Here-s-16717381.php

With startling speed, the immensely contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus has become the dominant strain in the U.S.

The omicron variant accounted for 73% of new infections in the United States last week, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention — a sharp rise from 13% the prior week.

In some places, such as New York, the prevalence of omicron is at over 90%, federal authorities said. Its prevalence is unclear in California, which has not updated its variant sequencing numbers since last Wednesday, when the state tallied just 49 omicron cases — a number that by now is certain to be vastly higher.

President Biden will address the nation on Tuesday about the threat posed by the variant.

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First Omicron Death in U.S. Was Reinfection—A Warning to Those Who've Already Had COVID

https://www.newsweek.com/first-omicron-death-reinfection-warning-covid-texas-1661503

he first confirmed death from the Omicron variant in the U.S. was a reinfection, serving as a warning to people who have already had COVID-19.

Health officials in Harris County, Texas, reported on Monday that a man aged between 50 and 60 had died after testing positive for Omicron.

The man, who was not named, had previously been infected with COVID-19, health officials said. They added that the patient was "at higher risk of severe complications from COVID-19 due to his unvaccinated status and underlying health conditions."

Harris County Public Health Director Barbie Robinson said the man's death was "a reminder of the severity of COVID-19 and its variants."

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A new congressional report shows how Donald Trump sabotaged the country’s early response to COVID.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/12/the-sad-new-details-of-how-trump-sabotaged-the-countrys-response-to-covid.html

Read this - it's way worse and WAY more cynical than even the most vicious and stupid than 95% of what Trump-haters were accusing him of doing.

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95. "THIS RIGHT HERE..."
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>https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/12/the-sad-new-details-of-how-trump-sabotaged-the-countrys-response-to-covid.html
>
>Read this - it's way worse and WAY more cynical than even the
>most vicious and stupid than 95% of what Trump-haters were
>accusing him of doing.

Trump was impeached twice - once for the abuse of power with the Ukraine scandal and again for the 1/6 insurrection. But THIS should really be his legacy. The hundreds of thousands of Americans who have died from this virus could have been MUCH MUCH less if he hadn't have purposely sabotaged our response. Not to mention the fact that if he'd actually been a good leader, the entire worldwide response could have been much, much better since as we know you can't fight a worldwide pandemic in a vacuum...

  

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96. "RE: THIS RIGHT HERE..."
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>The hundreds of thousands of
>Americans who have died from this virus could have been MUCH
>MUCH less if he hadn't have purposely sabotaged our response.


Not just died.. slooowly killed minute by minute in some of the most horrific ways possible.. essentially torture



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98. "their talking point lately is"
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that more people have died under Biden's watch when we had vaccines.

which of course falls apart when you look at who's dying.

but you can't tell these people anything. they booed Trump again the other day when he said he got boosted

  

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99. "They are disingenuous AND stupid"
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101. "Yes. BOTH disingenuous AND stupid. "
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As I've made several moves up the management chain in leadership an eye opening thing for me is how disingenuous and PURPOSELY stupid people can be at the VO and above level. As in they will use every bit of ADVANCED calculus, statistics, and brain power to find "data" to support a winning narrative, while completely shutting their brains to the most basic common sense that doesn't support the narrative.

So take that corporate mentality, and apply to politics. Along with the fact that a good chunk of their based isn't even "shutting their brains off", they literally will believe any talking point they are told at face value.

The example I can think of that might be applicable to all of us is spellcheck. When I was young I was GOOD at spelling. I could memorize the spelling of all kinds of basic words. At this point though I rely so heavily on spellcheck, that part of my brain has been completely turned off. I was working on something in PowerPoint last week, and I was misspelling a pretty basic word. But spellcheck wasn't catching it so I didn't even think twice about it. Shared the PPT with a colleague who called me out, and I was like "NOOOOO - look at my PPT, no red squiggly lines." But on theirs they saw the lines. I had clicked "Ignore All" at some point in the doc so it wasn't catching the misspelling. I rely so heavily on spellcheck that even though my brain should know that it's misspelled, I was seeing confirmation bias in real time.

For a good segment of the GOP base, it's just like that. Deep inside they know something is wrong, but if they can find one thing on Fox News to support the argument, one talking point, no matter how disingenuous or cherry picked, they will completely ignore basic facts.

  

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104. "Several attendees of right wing conference suddenly mysteriously ill"
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https://www.salon.com/2021/12/22/people-got-sick-after-far-right-conference-claim-its-anthrax-not-19/

strange respiratory symptoms, like shortness of breath, coughing and fever.

must be anthrax

  

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100. "FYI - many people with omicron are testing negative at the onset"
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of symptoms. some people are testing negative for 2-3 days with symptoms. apparently this could be the vaccine do its job...

https://twitter.com/michaelmina_lab/status/1472024457640394756?s=21

keep that in mind moving forward.

  

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102. "12/22/2021: Nearly a month - remember..."
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Remember reports of deaths TRAIL infection by around 3 weeks. So the data in the next month, starting in the UK will probably tell us the actual severity of disease.


Omicron Has 80% Lower Risk of Hospitalization, New Study Shows
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-22/omicron-has-80-lower-risk-of-hospitalization-new-study-shows

South Africans contracting Covid-19 in the current fourth wave of infections are 80% less likely to be hospitalized if they catch the omicron variant, compared with other strains, according to a study released by the National Institute for Communicable Diseases.

Once admitted to the hospital, the risk of severe disease doesn’t differ from other variants, the authors led by scientists Nicole Walter and Cheryl Cohen said.

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Covid Omicron: Biden buys 500m test kits to tackle surge
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59738678

The key measures are:

500 million at-home rapid tests (antigen/flow) will be bought and delivered free to all Americans who request them from January. Kits can currently cost $7-$15 (£5-£11) over-the-counter and availability can be sketchy in some areas

1,000 military medical personnel will be deployed to hospitals nationwide over the next two months, five times the current amount

The launch of new federal testing sites nationwide, with the first in New York City - which has seen a massive surge in Omicron - by Christmas

Expanded hospital capacity and distribution of critical supplies

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US Army Creates Single Vaccine Against All COVID & SARS Variants, Researchers Say

https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2021/12/us-army-creates-single-vaccine-effective-against-all-covid-sars-variants/360089/

Within weeks, scientists at the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research expect to announce that they have developed a vaccine that is effective against COVID-19 and all its variants, even Omicron, as well as from previous SARS-origin viruses that have killed millions of people worldwide.

The achievement is the result of almost two years of work on the virus. The Army lab received its first DNA sequencing of the COVID-19 virus in early 2020. Very early on, Walter Reed’s infectious diseases branch decided to focus on making a vaccine that would work against not just the existing strain but all of its potential variants as well.

Walter Reed’s Spike Ferritin Nanoparticle COVID-19 vaccine, or SpFN, completed animal trials earlier this year with positive results. Phase 1 of human trials, which tested the vaccine against Omicron and the other variants, wrapped up this month, again with positive results that are undergoing final review, Dr. Kayvon Modjarrad, director of Walter Reed’s infectious diseases branch, said in an exclusive interview with Defense One. The new vaccine will still need to undergo phase 2 and phase 3 trials.

Unlike existing vaccines, Walter Reed’s SpFN uses a soccer ball-shaped protein with 24 faces for its vaccine, which allows scientists to attach the spikes of multiple coronavirus strains on different faces of the protein.

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103. "That multi-purpose vaccine should be helpful"
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Between their description of the way the vaccine is built and the fact that it was developed by the army, I imagine the side effects will just be listed as "really gnarly" but it sounds like a good idea to me.

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105. "this is the most people in my personal circle to get covid."
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seems like literally my whole family and a bunch of friends got hit at the same time.

even people who had no symptoms but got tested just because…they ended up having it.

shit is spreading like wildfire (thankfully none of them have been serious cases).

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106. "12/23/2021"
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F.D.A. Clears Pfizer’s Covid Pill for High-Risk Patients 12 and Older

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/22/health/pfizer-covid-pill-fda-paxlovid.html

Pfizer’s drug reduced the risk of hospitalization or death by 88 percent when given to high-risk unvaccinated adults within five days of the start of their symptoms.

Paxlovid appears to be substantially more effective than a similar antiviral pill from Merck, known as molnupiravir, that is still awaiting authorization by the F.D.A. In a clinical trial, Merck’s drug reduced risk of hospitalization and death for high-risk patients by 30 percent.

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Omicron sweeping through California with staggering speed, raising alarm and questions

https://www.bakersfield.com/ap/national/omicron-sweeping-through-california-with-staggering-speed-raising-alarm-and-questions/article_96b79bc3-8e1c-5d3e-8573-927f607c5f06.html

Omicron is expected to move through the population rapidly, at a rate some experts have described as unprecedented on a global scale. “The timeline for omicron spread is days, not weeks, as it was for delta,” said San Francisco Health Director Dr. Grant Colfax. Still, he said, “it’s not a time to panic, but a time to be vigilant.”

A highly influential COVID-19 forecast is projecting that the omicron surge may result in as many as 400,000 new coronavirus cases a day across the nation — significantly higher than last winter’s record of 250,000 cases a day.

The University of Washington’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation projects the omicron surge will continue rising swiftly through December and into January, potentially peaking later next month or in early February. Despite the increase in cases, predictions indicate there will be fewer daily deaths than during last winter’s devastating peak.

The U.S. is reporting an average of more than 161,000 new coronavirus cases a day, approaching the peak of the summer delta wave, which reached 164,000 new daily cases.

The number of COVID-19 hospitalizations during this winter’s peak could be slightly higher than last year, the forecast says.




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107. "12/24/2021: So much "hope" pinned on this"
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Note: A BIG trend this week is to talk about how "this may be how it all ends" which STILL seems wildly premature. Fingers crossed though.

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Why you should upgrade your mask as the Omicron variant spreads
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/24/health/cloth-mask-omicron-variant-wellness/index.html

"Cloth masks are little more than facial decorations. There's no place for them in light of Omicron," said CNN Medical Analyst Dr. Leana Wen, an emergency physician and visiting professor of health policy and management at the George Washington University Milken Institute School of Public Health, on CNN Newsroom Tuesday.

"This is what scientists and public health officials have been saying for months, many months, in fact," Wen added in a separate phone interview.

"We need to be wearing at least a three-ply surgical mask," she said, which is also known as a disposable mask and can be found at most drugstores and some grocery and retail stores. "You can wear a cloth mask on top of that, but do not just wear a cloth mask alone."

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Fully Vaccinated Individuals at Risk for COVID Infection With Omicron Variant – Columbia Study
https://scitechdaily.com/fully-vaccinated-individuals-at-risk-for-covid-infection-with-omicron-variant-columbia-study/

In neutralization studies with monoclonal antibodies, only one (Brii198 approved in China) maintained notable activity against omicron. A minor form of omicron is completely resistant to all antibodies in clinical use today. The authors note that omicron is now the most complete “escapee” from neutralization that scientists have seen.
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Omicron and children: Pediatric hospitals in parts of U.S. filling fast
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/12/24/omicron-children-hospitalizations-us/

About 800 kids have been admitted nearly every day this week, with those in Ohio, Texas, Pennsylvania and New York hit particularly hard by the juggernaut variant.


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White House lifting omicron travel ban on southern African countries amid spread in US
Travel can resume from South Africa, 7 other countries, on Dec. 31

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-lifting-omicron-covid-travel-ban-southern-african-countries

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Booster shots protect against symptomatic Omicron infection for about 10 weeks, study finds — which could mean more doses for some in 2022

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-long-does-booster-protection-omicron-covid-last-study-2021-12

The UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) said protection against symptomatic COVID-19 caused by the variant dropped from 70% to 45% after a Pfizer booster for those initially vaccinated with the shot developed by Pfizer with BioNTech.

In the same analysis published Thursday, the agency found the effectiveness of Moderna's booster paired with two doses of the Pfizer vaccine held at 70 to 75% for up to 9 weeks, though not many people in the study received this regimen, which could affect the accuracy of the finding.

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108. "Are omicron particles smaller? Why do cloth masks not work?"
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They're just "facial decoration" now? Did they ever work?

This continuously changing mask guidance is a huge public policy blunder.


>--
>Why you should upgrade your mask as the Omicron variant
>spreads
>https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/24/health/cloth-mask-omicron-variant-wellness/index.html
>
>"Cloth masks are little more than facial decorations. There's
>no place for them in light of Omicron," said CNN Medical
>Analyst Dr. Leana Wen, an emergency physician and visiting
>professor of health policy and management at the George
>Washington University Milken Institute School of Public
>Health, on CNN Newsroom Tuesday.
>
>"This is what scientists and public health officials have been
>saying for months, many months, in fact," Wen added in a
>separate phone interview.
>
>"We need to be wearing at least a three-ply surgical mask,"
>she said, which is also known as a disposable mask and can be
>found at most drugstores and some grocery and retail stores.
>"You can wear a cloth mask on top of that, but do not just
>wear a cloth mask alone."
>

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109. "They’ve been consistent the entire pandemic that "
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N95/KN95 masks are much more effective against the virus. What’s changed is first the availability of those better masks (early on with supply issues the recommendation was to save them for hospital staff) and the purpose of wearing…remember for just about all of last year the purpose of wearing cloth masks wasn’t about your own protection, but to keep you from spreading droplets to others. At this point in the pandemic with Omicron being so much more transmissible and vaccinated people getting it and unknowingly spreading, it absolutely makes sense to move towards the N95 style masks which actually DO protect you against infection.

I’ll add that to me, at some point during the summer after vaccination was widely available, cloth masks WERE a largely symbolic item. As in when I would go out and about wearing my masks, other people who I saw wearing masks I viewed as more likely to have been taking the pandemic seriously - more likely to have been vaccinated, more likely to have been cautious around crowds and overall managing risk levels, while I personally saw people not wearing masks as more likely to NOT be taking things as seriously. A major reason I started seeing it as largely symbolic was because vaccination was (and is) my primary protection against severe sickness. Once masking mandates went away it became more of a sign to me on how others were responding to the pandemic. Somewhat ironic, since most public places at first would have signs still requiring masks for unvaccinated people, so in theory unmasked folks should have been the “safer” group more likely to have been vaccinated. But we all know what the reality was.

  

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110. "Cloth mask were never as good as other mask"
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They were supposed to protect other people from particles coming from your mouth. Now that we have variants that are much more contagious having a better mask helps protect you more. Medical personnel where I work always used an N 95 mask, and we always handed out surgical mask to the patients.

I’ve been using these as my daily masks:
https://snowjoe.com/products/kn95-protective-face-mask-ce-certified-gb2626-standard-5-pack

And yes I did catch Covid in July, but I have a feeling it was from hanging out with someone without a mask for a few hours

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113. "MASKS NEVER WORKED"
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There is no proof that they work in any way...not one legit study that proves they work

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114. "Are you serious?"
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>There is no proof that they work in any way...not one legit
>study that proves they work


https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavirus/do-face-masks-work-here-are-49-scientific-studies-that-explain-why-they-do/amp/

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/09/surgical-masks-covid-19.html

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210907/masks-limit-covid-spread-study

https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-clinic-minute-study-shows-masks-can-prevent-covid-19/

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-what-does-the-science-actually-say-about-face-masks-12349337

https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202004.0203/v1

https://www.idsociety.org/covid-19-real-time-learning-network/infection-prevention/masks-and-face-coverings-for-the-public/

  

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116. "He LEGIT got that from the poster Musa"
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They don't believe in germ theory??

Also he thinks Alex Bernsen is a trustworthy source: https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13437897&mesg_id=13437897


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117. "it's not continuously changing, it's been really, really clear"
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cloth masks alone won't get it done

double masking with a surgical mask and a cloth mask works really well, if anything c the cloth mask helps hold it in place

n95/kn95 masks actually work because they're supposed to

this has been public for the last year and a half

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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124. "Cloth masks were better than no masks, if I'm not mistaken"
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Remember, there was a time when N95/KN95 masks simply were not available or were priced sky high. Having some covering was better than not, but it was never supposed to be the main thing, just an emergency/better than nothing measure.

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111. "Are these good?"
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Anti Fog Face Shield Protective Face Shield High-Definition Protective Shields to Protect Eyes, Nose, Mouth, Anti-Sand and Anti-Splash Headgear All-Inclusive Face Protection for Adults(2PCS Anti-Blue Light) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09LMNLQ2B/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_WGNBPZTBSJ8B59WJWHMP

or

Trend STEALTH/ML Stealth Air APF10 Reusable Respirator Half Mask Includes Filters (Medium/Large) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077TX6TRX/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_JAJRF6139SK70PX4JXWE?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

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112. "I decided that only NIOSH masks should be used now ;)"
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My "Supply Aid' KN95 are clearly fake, and I think they're not great.

So I decided to get one from the list:
https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/topics/respirators/disp_part/default.html

I ended up getting the Gerson: https://www.gersonco.com/product/n95-respirator/

I think using the CDC approved list might be the best bet.

And I don't know anything about facemasks, they seem to be to prevent people from sneezing or spitting on you more than stopping airborne particles.

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115. "12/27/2021; One Month in"
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>What we don't know as of 11/27/2021:
>If it is more contagious.

Yes, much more contagious.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-contagious-is-omicron-what-does-that-mean-for-you-11640358001

Omicron’s Re is estimated to be three to five times greater than Delta’s, which was 1.5 to two times as contagious as the original variant, says Josh Schiffer, an infectious-disease modeler and physician at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle.


>If the disease is more severe.

Early studies saying it may be less severe, but not much less.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/omicron-infections-appear-no-less-severe-than-delta-covid-19-lowers-sperm-count-2021-12-20/

>If re-infection rate is higher.
Higher.
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/omicron-five-times-more-likely-reinfect-than-delta-study-says-2021-12-17/


>If effectiveness of vaccination is lowered.
Lowered..
https://www.cnet.com/health/moderna-covid-booster-how-well-does-it-work-against-omicron/

In a briefing released Friday, the UK Health Security Agency announced that the Oxford/AstraZeneca, Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccines all protect against omicron less than they did against delta and that protection from boosters wanes in time. Booster effectiveness generally decreased to between about 60% and 70% protection at two to four weeks after the shot, down to between about 35% and 45% at 10 weeks, depending on the combination of vaccines administered.

Note:NOVAVAX says they may do better - but data not submitted.


>If Merck and Pfizer anti-virials are effective against it.

Regeneron monoclonal antibody NOT effective, but Sotrovimab is.

Pfizer pill for post exposure is effective. Couldn't find Merk data.


>Possible new vaccines - could take as little as 100 days -
>could take more depending on regulatory requirements.

No announcements about making new vaccines yet.


Coming up: Fauci says that daily positives may reach over 500,000 within 2 weeks. It's going to get bad.

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118. "Yea bc people are idiots"
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>>What we don't know as of 11/27/2021:
>>If it is more contagious.
>
>Yes, much more contagious.
>https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-contagious-is-omicron-what-does-that-mean-for-you-11640358001
>
>Omicron’s Re is estimated to be three to five times greater
>than Delta’s, which was 1.5 to two times as contagious as
>the original variant, says Josh Schiffer, an
>infectious-disease modeler and physician at the Fred
>Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle.
>
>
>>If the disease is more severe.
>
>Early studies saying it may be less severe, but not much less.
>
>
>https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/omicron-infections-appear-no-less-severe-than-delta-covid-19-lowers-sperm-count-2021-12-20/
>
>>If re-infection rate is higher.
>Higher.
>https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/omicron-five-times-more-likely-reinfect-than-delta-study-says-2021-12-17/
>
>
>>If effectiveness of vaccination is lowered.
>Lowered..
>https://www.cnet.com/health/moderna-covid-booster-how-well-does-it-work-against-omicron/
>
>In a briefing released Friday, the UK Health Security Agency
>announced that the Oxford/AstraZeneca, Pfizer/BioNTech and
>Moderna vaccines all protect against omicron less than they
>did against delta and that protection from boosters wanes in
>time. Booster effectiveness generally decreased to between
>about 60% and 70% protection at two to four weeks after the
>shot, down to between about 35% and 45% at 10 weeks, depending
>on the combination of vaccines administered.
>
>Note:NOVAVAX says they may do better - but data not
>submitted.
>
>
>>If Merck and Pfizer anti-virials are effective against it.
>
>Regeneron monoclonal antibody NOT effective, but Sotrovimab
>is.
>
>Pfizer pill for post exposure is effective. Couldn't find Merk
>data.
>
>
>>Possible new vaccines - could take as little as 100 days -
>>could take more depending on regulatory requirements.
>
>No announcements about making new vaccines yet.
>
>
>Coming up: Fauci says that daily positives may reach over
>500,000 within 2 weeks. It's going to get bad.
>
>

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119. "500,000 positive tests per day should trigger a shut down."
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That's 15 million cases per month. They need to slow the spread asap.

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

"root for everybody black haters say that's crazy, wow..."

  

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120. "almost feels like shutting things down"
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would just prolong the inevitable

and it would probably cause mass riots the way people are operating these days.

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122. "Prolong the inevtiable??"
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>would just prolong the inevitable

Do people think that everyone will get infected ONCE and then "it's over?"

The goal is to avoid disease and death.

And if death rates are 1% and we get 140 million folks infected in the next 2 months then 1.4 million more deaths?

Or say it's just 50 million folk who get infected, then it's ONLY 500,000 dead.

And once people get the disease and get re-infected it's still very much likely the death rate will still be greater than the flu - which kills 30k-50k a year in the U.S. We're fine with that as a country?

>and it would probably cause mass riots the way people are
>operating these days.

Its amazing people aren't rioting over being forced to work and live around this much disease.

If COVID was like measles and people found the infected less attractive or palatable to look at - or when looking at them they appeared unhealthy - would that help??????


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125. "Plenty of people absolutely believe this"
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>Do people think that everyone will get infected ONCE and then
>"it's over?"

Catch it like the cold, build up a natural immunity, keep living. This is definitely a ongoing sentiment.

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135. "yes.. I think its inevitable that people will get infected"
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even if they quarantine because eventually people will

first time we shut shit down as soon as people started coming back outside people started getting infected.

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121. "My entire family potentially has this as of today......"
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Family back in NC that is....
wild...
made it this far and this long with no issues...but last week sparked it somehow....
brother, his girlfriend...
sister & her husband
mom & dad...
uncle, aunt, grandma & cousins all exposed...

All of them have vaccines AND boosters..

  

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126. "damn"
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very scary. i hope they recover well.

  

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123. "12/28/2021"
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Several US states at or near all-time peak Covid-19 hospitalization levels
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/omicron-variant-coronavirus-news-12-28-21/h_094b52637b30a14ed1a34932367314da

Four states — Michigan, Vermont, Maine and New Hampshire — hit their all-time pandemic peak hospitalization numbers this month, according to a CNN review of data from the US Department of Health and Human Services.

All four have seen hospitalizations decline in the last few days.

Other areas are seeing hospitalization numbers near pandemic peaks.

Washington, DC, with 363 hospitalized as of Monday, is nearly tied with its peak of 383 in January. Ohio, Indiana and Delaware are all seeing hospital numbers at least 80% as high as their all-time records last winter, according to a CNN analysis of HHS data.

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CDC lowers estimates of Omicron prevalence, saying the variant caused under 60% of Covid-19 cases last week

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/omicron-variant-coronavirus-news-12-28-21/index.html


The Omicron variant caused 58.6% of new coronavirus cases in the US last week, which is significantly lower than previously thought, according to estimates posted Tuesday by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Last week, the agency estimated Omicron accounted for 73.2% of cases the week ending Dec. 18.

A CDC spokesperson told CNN last week there was a broad range of uncertainty for those numbers — as low as 34% and as high as 95%. She added agency would "adjust based on additional sequencing.” The agency has adjusted the estimate for that week even lower, from 73.2% to 22.5%.

Over the past four weeks, Omicron has risen rapidly in estimates – accounting for 0.6% of cases ending December 4, to 6.9% the following week, then 22.5% and now 58.6%. The Delta variant makes up nearly all of the rest.

More on the CDC estimates: Not every Covid-19 test is sent for the extra genetic sequencing needed to detect which variant has infected someone. The CDC works off samples and extrapolates its estimates based on that extra testing.

Omicron’s estimated prevalence varies widely based on geography. For example, in the region that includes New York and New Jersey, as well as the region covering Texas and its bordering states, Omicron was estimated to have caused upwards of 86% of cases last week.

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Texas runs out of monoclonal antibody treatment to fight omicron variant of COVID-19

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/12/28/texas-runs-out-monoclonal-antibody-sotrovimab-treatment-fight-omicron-covid/9031897002/


On Monday, the Texas Department of State Health Services announced that its regional infusion centers in Austin, El Paso, Fort Worth, San Antonio and The Woodlands have run out of the monoclonal antibody sotrovimab.

That antibody has been shown to be effective against the omicron variant. Other monoclonal antibodies have not been shown to be effective against omicron.

REALTED ARTICLE:
Gov. Abbott calls out Biden administration as Texas runs out of omicron antibody treatment

https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavirus/texas-antibody-infusion-centers-run-out-of-treatment-shown-to-fight-omicron/

Fuck Abbott. he can blame everything on someone else.

---
CDC cuts isolation time recommended for people with asymptomatic coronavirus infections

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/12/27/cdc-cuts-isolation-time-asymptomic-covid-infections/

Federal health officials on Monday shortened the recommended time Americans infected with the coronavirus should isolate from 10 days to five if they are asymptomatic — a decision they said was driven by a growing body of research about when people are most infectious.


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Omicron could make the world more resistant to Delta COVID strain, South Africa study says

https://fortune.com/2021/12/28/omicron-infection-delta-covid-strain-resistance-south-africa-study-ahri/

Very early paper with only 15 participants but maybe it'll bear out in the next few months.

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127. "The airlines asked for quarantine to be less"
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And now it is so.

People gotta get back to work after all. Wonder
how long until quarantine is a 15 minute break?

The same people who told everyone to take
off their masks based on an honor system
and little data are doing it again.

Rather than mandating paid leave the admin is
just sending people back to work sick.

It’s incredible to see how little criticism the Biden
admin gets from certain folks.

Had this happened under Trump this thread
would be 3x as long.

No paid leave. No real testing plan. No urgency
on treatments. No additional mandates like
vaxxed to fly. No contact tracing. No waving
patents to vaxx the world.

Nothing but get vaxxed and get your asses
back to work.

Hundreds of thousands dead. Healthcare
systems jammed up. Long covid. It goes
on and on.

But the stock market is up amiright??

When the GOP essentially said some will have to die
for the economy it was ridiculous and rightfully
panned around here, etc.

I guess a lot of people really just want a friendlier
tone for the same shit.

  

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131. "people just worn out fam. Chill."
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At this point there aren’t really sides, just people that are gonna do and people that ain’t.
There are people that have every available opportunity and capacity to simply stay home when they’re sick…but guess what…they don’t. I got a co worker that’s sitting at his damn desk right. Now. Talking bout he been feeling sick since yesterday and his daughter been sick since Sunday and is awaiting her test results. It’s just fcked up all the way around at this point. Step away from the political bent and start putting energy into the fcked up mentalities and American work culture.



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133. "You are making his point"
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When it's one guy ya'll got mad energy to talk about every little tiny thing that happens 24/7/365

Now you got your guy and we gotta chill? We gotta focus on other shit? Lets not look at what the politicians are doing, we are tired today....

FOHHHHHHH

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138. "trump called covid a hoax."
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then actively fought against measures to prevent the spread of the virus...threatened to primary red state governors who didnt do the same...literally blocked or curtailed blue states from much needed federal aid...reshuffled science/medical advisories and hid/sabotaged data to undermine the fight against covid...pushed a lethal alternative medication...and got caught on actual audio admitting that he intentionally downplayed the virus despite him understanding the severity.

biden made the vaccines widely available...encouraged people to get protected and follow guidelines via soft power and mandates...and took our adult vaccination rate from 1% on inauguration day to over 70%.

even the republican governor of *arkansas* praised bidens effort in combatting the virus.
https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1475511455814496272

if you think biden is anywhere near equivalent to trump then you are part of the problem.

i swear niggas have like a 2 week attention span when it comes to politics.

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159. "please stop. just stop. You're a hypocrite "
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Just have the same energy for Biden as you would if he was someone else.

L O L at the bar for Biden being to NOT sabotage efforts...and still gloss over when his administration does just that.

Telling people to unmask = made the pandemic worse. Without question.

Telling people to quarantine for only 5 days = will make this worse.


Why do you treat this like Democrats are you favorite sports team that you have to defend blindly.


Things were supposed to get better. That was the idea. That was why we all fought.

Things aren't that much better "fam".


You are the worst on here. You have all the smoke for anyone who isn't your guy.


Stock market soaring is all that matters now like a real Trumper.

The bottom line is this administration has failed to address this pandemic. They have done *marginally* better than the previous only because of Pfizer and Moderna. Thats it.


No real plan otherwise.


If the CDC came out under Trump and said "get your asses back to work" you would be lighting this thread up with me.

Because its Joe, you're on some MAGA type "Let them die" personal responsibility horse shit.


PEOPLE LIKE YOU are why the Dems are trash. You not only accept anything, you celebrate and willfully defend this shit.


He doesn't say stupid shit that Trump says. Is that the line?


Like I said, some of yall just wanted a nicer face and a more professional tone as they throw us to the wolves.




  

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145. "political energy is wasted energy. That’s my point. "
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Anyone still hung up on trying to keep the political aspects of this situation bubbling is contributing to the problem. The sooner we can get back to the reality that this a pandemic is a NON POLITICAL worldwide problem the sooner folks might begin to stop being so stupid about it.
Don’t be stupid.


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160. "Literally everything is political"
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And our "leaders" are just sending our asses back to work.


When its Trump? The response is garbage! He's making it worse?


When its Joe? Slow down, don't make this political.


I'm legit crying.

  

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137. "nah.. he has a point"
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if Trump was in office this place would scream all day about the number of deaths and what we are doing wrong.

I’m no fam of Trump but I remember when dude wanted to block flights from China and Dems called him a racist. I mean.. yeah, be is but still… we should’ve put our health before our politics.

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140. "dems did not call trump racist for blocking flights from china."
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thats fox news framing. they know easily impressionable people will conflate the resistance to the covid ban and muslim ban.

dems called trump racist because of his characterization of it as the wuhan virus, kung flu, etc...something that could inflame anti-asian sentiment (which it clearly did).

and the ban didnt even really work.

over 50k people from china still made it over here during the ban with no testing, tracing, or quarantine. and the dominant strain of the virus that lit ny on fire and spread throughout the country actually came from europe anyway (like delta and omincron).

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161. "so what about Joe's South Africa ban?"
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Or are you going to keep making it about Trump and glossing over the similarities?

  

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142. "they would but we could do that double standard thing all day"
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if hillary or obama were in office when the pandemic first hit, and they had a fraction of deaths we had under trump, they'd probably be in prison.

at the very least, i could see Trump strolling into office in 2020 unseating Hilary because we had 5000 covid deaths on her watch, far exceeding 9/11. We'd have memorials at every sporting event, and Hilldawg will be seen as the worst president in history.

>we should’ve put our health before
>our politics.

early on my dumb ass really thought this was gonna come out of this

  

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164. "why not?"
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>if hillary or obama were in office when the pandemic first
>hit, and they had a fraction of deaths we had under trump,
>they'd probably be in prison.

So is Biden going to prison? His body count is climbing.

>
>at the very least, i could see Trump strolling into office in
>2020 unseating Hilary because we had 5000 covid deaths on her
>watch, far exceeding 9/11. We'd have memorials at every
>sporting event, and Hilldawg will be seen as the worst
>president in history.

Oh for sure. I'm not talking about media double standards.

I'm talking about double standards of hardcore Dem apologists. Folks who posted here daily about Trump's failures but have been ghost and will duck, dodge, deflect, etc to avoid admitting the truth-

Uncle Joe has not met the moment. Democrats have not met the moment.

I could go off of course, but I'll focus on the pandemic.

If you run against a sitting prez and talk about how little he has done to address the pandemic- you better at least TRY SOME SHIT when you win.

Cutting isolation IN HALF in the middle of an uptick of cases thanks to a new variant after your CDC got a letter from CEOs?

Probably a bad idea.

>
>>we should’ve put our health before
>>our politics.
>
>early on my dumb ass really thought this was gonna come out of
>this

My dumbass thought that when the adults took over it would be better. It was scary under Trump.

I remember the day Biden took over, there was such a sense of relief in my house.


Now? Well, the stock market is up amiright?

  

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165. "dog had the CDC cut isolation in half under Trump??"
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Each and every one of these dudes would be ranting with me.

Each and every one.


Had the Trump white house laughed at the idea of free tests?

Trump told everyone not to wear a mask- criminal!

Biden tells vaxxed to take off their masks like weeks in? The data!


We aren't allowed to ask more of Democrats to some of these people it is absolutely amazing.

Find someone who looks at you the way some of these dudes look at the Democratic party. Just unconditional love.


They care a lot more about Democrats than the Democrats care about them. Its sad actually.

  

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170. "Your premise of "unconditional love' for DEMs is faulty"
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>Trump told everyone not to wear a mask- criminal!

>Biden tells vaxxed to take off their masks like weeks in? The data!

If you don't see the difference -- except your hypothesis that us mindless zombies are enthralled by charismatic Joe Biden -- then I don't think there's any possible way to ever change your mind.


> dog had the CDC cut isolation in half under Trump?
If the CDC did it because there was data over x-months saying that in asymptomatic cases that the first 5 days are when it usually spreads AND THEN told people with no symptoms they could go back out if they needed to and wore a mask for 5 more days - under Trump - we'd have not thrown a shit show.

I think you're confusing risk management policies with bad faith policies -- or that there are no difference between how this administration and the last one make decisions.

But Biden's policies are at LEAST actually trying to reduce harm while also taking into consideration how the world actually works. Trump's did not. And neither is perfect - but one is much much much more malicious than the other.

But I doubt you will see the distinction.

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141. "So that was the only reason?"
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You don't understand what the change in recommendation ACTUALLY was, me thinks.

--
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s1227-isolation-quarantine-guidance.html

Given what we currently know about COVID-19 and the Omicron variant, CDC is shortening the recommended time for isolation from 10 days for people with COVID-19 to 5 days, if asymptomatic, followed by 5 days of wearing a mask when around others. The change is motivated by science demonstrating that the majority of SARS-CoV-2 transmission occurs early in the course of illness, generally in the 1-2 days prior to onset of symptoms and the 2-3 days after. Therefore, people who test positive should isolate for 5 days and, if asymptomatic at that time, they may leave isolation if they can continue to mask for 5 days to minimize the risk of infecting others.

Additionally, CDC is updating the recommended quarantine period for those exposed to COVID-19. For people who are unvaccinated or are more than six months out from their second mRNA dose (or more than 2 months after the J&J vaccine) and not yet boosted, CDC now recommends quarantine for 5 days followed by strict mask use for an additional 5 days. Alternatively, if a 5-day quarantine is not feasible, it is imperative that an exposed person wear a well-fitting mask at all times when around others for 10 days after exposure. Individuals who have received their booster shot do not need to quarantine following an exposure, but should wear a mask for 10 days after the exposure. For all those exposed, best practice would also include a test for SARS-CoV-2 at day 5 after exposure. If symptoms occur, individuals should immediately quarantine until a negative test confirms symptoms are not attributable to COVID-19.
--

So you read that as "Biden ORDERS the sick to go back to work even if it spread disease because the airlines told him to do it??"

Someone's sense of reasoning may be the thing that is tired here.


>It’s incredible to see how little criticism the Biden
admin gets from certain folks.

Biden's getting HAMMERED from ALL direction and has been for months.

He's hammered because the pandemic hasn't been "solved." That delta was multiple times as contagious as the disease that preceded it. And now that Omicron is 5 times as contagious it is his fault for not going back before omicron and securing free test for every citizen to use from now until the "end."

Then you compare that to Trump? Trump he said he didn't feel the need to wear a mask? Who pushed hydroxychloroquine? Who focused on overturning an election instead of distribution of vaccines?


Congress could pass the laws to supply aid - but they WILL not. Almost every Republican won't pass them because it might help Joe Biden's rating a little - and many Democrats because they think the government should be run as a for profit business.

I can't imagine a scenario where a bill that has passed both house of congress is vetoed by Biden to increase aid. Can you honestly see that scenario?

The countries fucked - but if you think this administration is purposefully doing it to help airline CEOs then I think you aren't paying attention.

This pandemic isn't going to be 'solved" and 'over and done', there is no series of actions that are 'perfect' and fix everything - the goal is to minimize harm and disease.


>When the GOP essentially said some will have to die
for the economy it was ridiculous and rightfully
panned around here, etc.

I don't believe for a SECOND that Biden and his administration agree with that. I do think 70% of Congress does. And 30 governors. And 90% of Fox news. And 97% of CNBC.


But you're right about one thing: this country prizes work over all else - more than your family, your health or your life. (And when I saw work I mean working for boss who's profits depend on your labor.)

It's a sickness that also needs to be cured.

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144. "Wait, ya'll really believe HCQ is POISON?"
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148. "First, you don't think masks helps stop the spread of disease."
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As for hydroxychloroquine, I never said it was POISON.

But it certainly didn't help COVID-19 in the studies.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2772922

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171. "I know masks don't work"
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They might make you feel better but they don't work, especially not the way ya'll use them. Cloth mask you put on when you walk into a restaurant and then take it off when you get in your seat? Ya'll stupid AF.

Its ugly af and hypocritical to pretend like ya'll masking up all dutifully but I've seen 2 years of exactly how ya'll do. Virtue signalling if that word ever existed.

All those studies up top are horseshit. A 1 person study? The Bangladesh study linked 5x? Laser beams?

In regards to HCQ, there are many studies that prove it works. I'm not gonna bother to do the research for you, it's all over the internet. It's in books. It's been used for 70+ years. Completely non toxic, unpatented, not enough $$

The study you published HCQ one was given LATE in infection, thats the PROBLEM. It works EARLY, this has been documented by thousands of doctors.

Every country in the world has better death rates than America and Europe and they use IVM and HCQ, and people don't mask like that. Here we use remdesivir late in infection, and ventilation. Guess what, remdesivir is a PROVEN toxin that was PULLED from MULTIPLE trials because so many people were dying, and your boy Fauci pushed it for $$$. No randomized trial, no studies, no nothing. How many people in US died from remdesivir?

All this is a $$ game. No money in HCQ or IVM, but they worked all over the world. Simple Google search. All the countries/states using masks, lockdowns, social distancing, remdisivir, etc are FUCKED, and all these 3rd world countries w/o the medical infrastructure and a few tabs of HCQ are doing 1000x better....wake up...


When is common sense gonna set in and ya'll realize that this shit ain't working. Ya'll got your vaccines and still are getting sick. Ya'll still transmitting and theres at least 20,000 dead directly from the vaccine + myocarditis etc... Ya'll got Fauci working overtime and Poppa Biden doing magic but ya'll still setting records? Get out of ya'll big cities and computers and go talk to real people. Go live a little. Go breathe some fresh air. Or go read a fuckin book instead of your little twitter/OKP bubbles of fear mongering liberal horseshit.

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162. "cmon. You're better than this. "
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>
>You don't understand what the change in recommendation
>ACTUALLY was, me thinks.
>
>--
>https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s1227-isolation-quarantine-guidance.html
>
>Given what we currently know about COVID-19 and the Omicron
>variant, CDC is shortening the recommended time for isolation
>from 10 days for people with COVID-19 to 5 days, if
>asymptomatic, followed by 5 days of wearing a mask when around
>others. The change is motivated by science demonstrating that
>the majority of SARS-CoV-2 transmission occurs early in the
>course of illness, generally in the 1-2 days prior to onset of
>symptoms and the 2-3 days after. Therefore, people who test
>positive should isolate for 5 days and, if asymptomatic at
>that time, they may leave isolation if they can continue to
>mask for 5 days to minimize the risk of infecting others.


Just like the admin's "take your mask off and party" bullshit this is all based on an honor system and essentially lets companies off the hook for not enforcing 10 days.

Airline CEOs requested this change, and got it. Its not that hard. Even Captain Democrat Apologist Reeq admits this below.

I also encourage you to do some digging and asking people who have had COVID about their wild timelines with testing, etc.

Not to mention, Omnicron is still new.

They want your ass back to work. Writing is on the wall.


>
>Additionally, CDC is updating the recommended quarantine
>period for those exposed to COVID-19. For people who are
>unvaccinated or are more than six months out from their second
>mRNA dose (or more than 2 months after the J&J vaccine) and
>not yet boosted, CDC now recommends quarantine for 5 days
>followed by strict mask use for an additional 5 days.
>Alternatively, if a 5-day quarantine is not feasible, it is
>imperative that an exposed person wear a well-fitting mask at
>all times when around others for 10 days after exposure.
>Individuals who have received their booster shot do not need
>to quarantine following an exposure, but should wear a mask
>for 10 days after the exposure. For all those exposed, best
>practice would also include a test for SARS-CoV-2 at day 5
>after exposure. If symptoms occur, individuals should
>immediately quarantine until a negative test confirms symptoms
>are not attributable to COVID-19.

Ah yes, mask wearing. Because Americans have been so cool with that, right?



>--
>
>So you read that as "Biden ORDERS the sick to go back to work
>even if it spread disease because the airlines told him to do
>it??"
>

Its okay to take a beat and think this through. They asked for it, and it happened pretty quickly.

I try to be careful to say "Biden Administration" but that isn't really the point is it?


Be honest....this happens under Trump you'd be skeptical if not outright pissed.

Why is being consistent so hard for folks?

>Someone's sense of reasoning may be the thing that is tired
>here.
>
>
>>It’s incredible to see how little criticism the Biden
>admin gets from certain folks.
>
>Biden's getting HAMMERED from ALL direction and has been for
>months.

Not here.

>
>He's hammered because the pandemic hasn't been "solved." That
>delta was multiple times as contagious as the disease that
>preceded it. And now that Omicron is 5 times as contagious it
>is his fault for not going back before omicron and securing
>free test for every citizen to use from now until the "end."

Biden said he had a plan. He called Trump out (rightfully) for not doing enough...and he has done little more.

Vaccine, Vaccine, Vaccine. (They were developed before Joe btw).

Where is the testing plan?

The paid leave?

Travel vaccine requirments?

etc etc


Not that it should be magically solved, don't do that.

Its that it could be a lot better than it is and, at the very least, it would be nice to see the Democrats at least try.

Try to make it better.


Why can't we ask for Democrats to try more? I don't get it.

>
>Then you compare that to Trump? Trump he said he didn't feel
>the need to wear a mask? Who pushed hydroxychloroquine? Who
>focused on overturning an election instead of distribution of
>vaccines?

This is what I was afraid of actually. The bar is so fucking low ya'll will celebrate defend anything.

So all we should expect of Uncle Joe is to not shit himself?


You know my point is that if the CDC cut isolation in half under Trump ya'll would be pissed and with me.



>
>
>Congress could pass the laws to supply aid - but they WILL
>not. Almost every Republican won't pass them because it might
>help Joe Biden's rating a little - and many Democrats because
>they think the government should be run as a for profit
>business.

GOP bad. I get it.


Pretty sure Dems have majorities in both chambers and the white house. Any of them put up a paid leave bill?

How about in the initial response in the honeymoon phase?

No? Oh that's right, they were busy telling everyone they can unmask if they pinky swear that they are vaxxed.


>
>I can't imagine a scenario where a bill that has passed both
>house of congress is vetoed by Biden to increase aid. Can you
>honestly see that scenario?

Are you having a fever dream? I never said that.

>
>The countries fucked - but if you think this administration is
>purposefully doing it to help airline CEOs then I think you
>aren't paying attention.

If you think they aren't, then you aren't paying attention.

I got bad news for you. Democrats are trying to serve two groups- regular people and capital.

Capital wins every time.

Very little has been done to address this pandemic other than then vaccines.

Because other shit- paid leave, testing, etc...would be of benefit only to us and not capital.

GOP is worse. I get it. And I agree completely.


I just wish people - especially people around here- were okay with asking more of Democrats rather than rushing to defend millionaires.




>
>This pandemic isn't going to be 'solved" and 'over and done',
>there is no series of actions that are 'perfect' and fix
>everything - the goal is to minimize harm and disease.

Exactly. And this administration could and should be doing a lot more.

>
>
>>When the GOP essentially said some will have to die
>for the economy it was ridiculous and rightfully
>panned around here, etc.
>
>I don't believe for a SECOND that Biden and his administration
>agree with that. I do think 70% of Congress does. And 30
>governors. And 90% of Fox news. And 97% of CNBC.

Then why isn't there paid leave?


Why don't you have to show proof of vax to fly?


Why can't essential workers get tests and masks?



If you believe Democrats and this Administration are so much better than the picture I have painted, why is it just a vaccine and good luck?


And here's the big one- why no shut down?


>
>
>But you're right about one thing: this country prizes work
>over all else - more than your family, your health or your
>life. (And when I saw work I mean working for boss who's
>profits depend on your labor.)
>
>It's a sickness that also needs to be cured.


Right. Thank you. But why is it so hard to admit that this administration/Democrats ALSO clearly value it more than anything else?



  

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172. "thank you"
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there are so many things that the dems are leaving on the table here simply cuz the business sector demands them to.

it's obviously horrible governance

  

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146. "yuuuuup"
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Biden just went before the governors and said its on the states from this point on.

American For Profit Healthcare has massive structural problems that prevent accurate treatment of the pandemic on every level.

THAT'S the problem.
And it's a big one, but Trumps outta office, so YAY..?

  

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149. "fam that is not what biden said."
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i shouldnt be surprised...but it still shocks me how many people continue to fall for these bad faith right wing attacks based on deceptively edited videos.

like niggas see a 5 second video cut off abruptly in the middle of a statement...and never think 'hey this is slightly suspicious...maybe i should go check this out for myself' lol.

i mean...i know we are a dumb country. but the ease with which the dumbness is exploited is really a sight to see lol.

heres the statement in full context:
https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1475909428650119172

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150. "Bad faith all around"
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Context is a four letter word to a lot of these folks.

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151. "he did not say that. not at all."
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Imo he basically stated that since state governments are the ones with 'boots on the ground' so to speak, then they are going to be the ones to lead the covid response, particularity as the governor that he was talking to tried to insinuate that the federal government was 'overstepping its boundaries' in its response to something that should be handled at the state level. The governor (Arkansas I believe) was trying to be slick and Biden put him in his place.

He made it clear that the feds are going to *support* state governments in whatever manner they see fit, and if they need something from the feds, simply be communicative about it and the feds will provide the support.

If people actually watched the clip in question instead of taking an out of context 4 second soundbite there's no way the takeaway would have been that states are on their own. States have a responsibility in this too, so let's not place the sole burden on the feds if the states refuse to do the bare minimum in stopping this pandemic.

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154. "cool, so the federal govt is leaving the states to make individual "
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decisions about a viral pandemic, with interstate travel and commerce open and working.
and no federally mandated testing, prevention or centralized vaxx database.

You can't states rights/states response this.

So yeah, he actually he is leaving the decision making up to the states for this.
And that is a disaster

But Democrat gud so reality don't matter

ALSO yall ran fast to defend Massa Biden, and skipped smoove over the larger point about the failings of the for profit healthcare system. cool.

  

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155. "bro you were dead wrong. its ok. it happens."
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but you dont save face by doubling down on more wrong lol.

>You can't states rights/states response this.

you do realize states *do* have rights right? its the entire point of a constitutional republic. biden cant just seize power he aint got fam.

its the reason texas and florida have vastly different covid regulations than ny and ca. outside of biden becoming a dictator...he doesnt just get to do whatever *he* wants.


>and no federally mandated testing, prevention or centralized
>vaxx database.

you think the president can just federally mandate everything? i mean...he tried a federal mandate for vaccination/testing for employers over a certain size via osha. and that mandate was placed on hold because of lawsuits by several *states* that are now headed to a special session of the supreme court. why? oh yeah because states have *rights*.

plus how do you federally mandate 'prevention'? lol. you gonna send the national guard in to make niggas do crossfit in their backyards and get healthier to drive down pre-existing conditions/co-morbidities? wtf does that even mean? lol.

and you know damn well if biden tried to mandate some centralized vaccine passport database...you same tin foil notep contrarion niggas would be bitching about that too.

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157. "Uh-huh. "
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https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/533652-biden-should-declare-a-state-of-war-against-the-coronavirus

You know what prevention means. You're not dumb, you're just a token.

you really should look into how other countries with a public healthcare system have dealt with the needs of their populations during the virus.

yes, the federal gov't can aid in prevention in *several* ways aside from the vaxx...especially given what we know about who COVID affects the most and why.

Dismissing that fact as "making people do crossfit" is fucking retarded.

Home testing & treatment protocols should have been in place from day 1.

Ramped up production of O2 tanks and N95s, as well as not allowing companies to destroy massive amount of home tests.

Ramp up emergency localized medical services.

Stipends to keep people at home to prevent the spread.

Increased public health services/service providers.

etc, etc, etc...


Dunno how/why modern liberals became 80s republicans in re: the role of the federal govt, but it was dumb then and it's especially suicidal now.

But hopefully whatever white dem pays you will take you for a walk down to your favorite dog park later, and get you home in time to lick the screen when maddow's on

  

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163. "Its funny they do the same thing they accused you of"
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Got distracted by a single quote and thought they were dunking on you by showing that it is out of context.

The context is the admins fucking actions!!!!

A bunch of "liberals" screaming at me essentially defending a "personal responsibility" approach to a fucking pandemic.

Joe ran on a pandemic plan and they were so fucking eager to declare victory they spiked the ball months ago.


Fucking morons could have milked the pandemic politically and blamed it on Trump for a year at least...but they had to get people back to work, back in restaurant, back in shopping malls, etc.

You're right. Some of these dudes would be Reaganites in the 80s. You hate to see it.

  

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166. "BRUH, THIS SHIT HERE:"
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"a "personal responsibility" approach to a fucking pandemic"

is monumentally stupid.
INCREDIBLY fucking dumb.
legit mindblowing that liberals are that far gone
These same people will turn around and tell you to trust science while cheering on the firing of health care workers


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168. "they think being critical of Dems = traitor/ alt-right simp"
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every critique is just an example of being duped by a right wing talking point

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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128. "im exhausted fam."
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so we are in the middle of another winter surge that we are supposed to be taking seriously.

but the cdc cuts quarantine time in half (at the behest of an airlines ceo) as cases are still rising.

and much of the media makes it even worse by reporting the new time frame as if its universal and not limited to asymptomatic folks.

deaths rates have actually *increased* in the reddest areas due to vaccine and mask resistance perpetuated by one specific side of the political spectrum and their preferred media sources (while logically falling in non-idiotic blue areas).

and the media is blaming biden for not convincing that portion of the country to participate in taming the virus with the rest society...while their former president and cultural icon is also urging them to get vaccinated and theyre even attacking *him* for it too.

if this doesnt spell out the decline of a civilization...

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130. "All this. That movie Don’t Look Up was blatant satire re:"
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the pandemic and climate change, completely on the nose, and real life is STILL more blatantly stupid in terms of what we are seeing real time. All the double speak, false equivalency, obvious agendas, echo chamber confirmation bias, while the facts are all RIGHT THERE for everyone to see.

  

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132. "ha. yeah"
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i watched it last night and found myself looking at it as much through the lens of the pandemic than climate change.. if not more

  

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134. "i see people calling the movie 'preachy'."
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more mad at the satirical and condescending portrayal of idiots than they are at the consequences and danger from the behavior of the idiots.

2 years into complete nihilism/obstruction during the pandemic (even longer for climate change) and these people think the real problem is that we arent nicer lol.

i dont remember people getting mad at the portrayal of idiots in idiocracy.

somehow 'we' always get convinced to adopt the viewpoint of conservatives (who absolve themselves of all personal responsibility and blame their atrocious political/cultural stances of liberals looking down at them).

so now we got liberals who make decisions based on facts and science and overall health/wellbeing policing their own tribe for coming off too 'elitist' because they make fun of the people who right today are celebrating vigilantes for the simple fact they killed liberals.

playing down to the lowest common denominator is exactly how we got here.

idk why our side is so self loathing and circularly destructive to the point we get mad at ourselves for not delicately addressing the enemy instead of just being mad at the enemy and focusing all of our fire on them.

you never see republicans talk about trying not to offend liberals and criticizing each other because they portray liberals in an unflattering manner lol.

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136. "yeah, it's not even preachy. it's openly clowning"
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and i get it, smug hollwyood lefties can be annoying as shit, but some of the the few reviews i read were saying a variation of how you're not going to convince climate skeptics by talking down to them. i'm sure they know they're not gonna be convinced either way, but it almost came off if they're scared what if joe the plumber reads my review and thinks i'm one of those out of touch libs lol

  

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143. "i dont understand why they can openly degrade/dehumanize us"
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but as soon as we do it to them its bloody murder and the collapse of civility.

the 'rules' are completely asymmetrical (and we stupidly play into them).

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153. "Yep - the people calling it preachy prove it's points."
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They might as well be the same folks as the people IN the movie calling the "just look up" people preachy.

"what about my rights? I'm in favor of the new jobs the comet will bring!"

  

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129. "That shit had me and my girl down and out"
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Shit had me down for like 36 hours, my girl for like 3 days. Talking 103+ fever, body chills and sweats, aches and pains...after that its been runny nose, cough and sneezing for like a aweek but energy levels back.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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139. "Are you vaccinated? "
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152. "Yeah but its been over 6 months. Was just about to"
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Get the booster

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147. "death rate for middle aged whites has *doubled*"
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*after* vaccines have become widely available.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/12/28/us/covid-deaths.html?referringSource=articleShare
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The change in death rates among groups is starker by race and ethnicity, and the death rate has risen particularly sharply for middle-aged white people. Covid-19 now accounts for a much larger share of all deaths for that group than it did before vaccines were widely available.
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Some of the shift could be attributed to the lagging vaccination rates among white people overall. White people were vaccinated at a higher rate than Black and Hispanic people in the early months of the vaccination campaign — in part because people of color faced more obstacles to vaccine access.

In recent months, however, data from the C.D.C. shows that the vaccination gap has narrowed. White people are now less likely than Asians and Hispanics to be vaccinated, though somewhat more likely than Black people, and their death rates have risen in all but the oldest age groups.
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republicans are really good at killing their own voters...and then convincing them to blame everyone *else* for it.

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167. "white people: 70% of deaths since june, 80% of december"
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https://twitter.com/charles_gaba/status/1475985651682226186

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173. "the things that slide by "
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could be true because im not hearing about it. remember in the
beginning when majority of blacks were the ones dying? it was all
over the news.

this whole thing is sinister in nature.

  

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156. "12/28/2021 update fo NYC"
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1 in 50 Manhattan Residents Infected With COVID in the Last Week
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/1-in-50-manhattan-residents-infected-with-covid-in-the-last-week/3470148/

About 2,012 of every 100,000 Manhattan residents tested positive in the last seven days, according to the latest transmission data posted by the city. The citywide rate is 1,742 per 100,000.

The Manhattan figure is an average, though; some neighborhoods are substantially higher. The Chelsea and Clinton neighborhoods now stand at 2,600 cases per 100,000 residents in the last week; the Gramercy Park area is at 2,325.

At 2,600 cases per 100,000 residents, Chelsea may be one of the most infected places in the country. According to New York Times data, Washington D.C., where omicron is entirely out of control, has a rate of 279 cases per 100,000.

The word "surge" is almost insufficient to describe what's going on in the city; the citywide transmission rate has risen 10x since the start of the month, more in some areas.

As of Sunday the 7-day average of positive tests for city residents was 19.97%, an astronomical figure without recent precedent. Meanwhile, daily hospitalizations with COVID-like symptoms are now running double where they were just two weeks ago, and more than triple what the city said would "normally" be expected this time of year.

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158. "Yep. My agency ranged from about 3-5 positives per 7 days"
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The last 3 reporting cycles have been 18, 45, 50

Whats crazy is that is with about about 1/5 of our normal staff on vacation.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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169. "12/29/2021 - Records broken"
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U.S. Covid cases rise to pandemic high as delta and omicron circulate at same time
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/29/us-covid-cases-rise-to-pandemic-high-as-delta-and-omicron-circulate.html

U.S. Covid cases are at a record seven-day average of more than 265,000 per day as of Tuesday, surpassing the previous high mark of about 252,000 average daily cases set on Jan. 11, 2021.

The new pandemic peak comes as the delta and omicron variants are circulating simultaneously across the country.

About 75,000 Americans are hospitalized with Covid-19 and the country is reporting more than 1,500 daily deaths. Though both figures are rising, they are lower than when the last daily case record was set nearly a year ago.

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New Omicron variant fills up children's hospitals
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/27/health/covid-kids-hospitals/index.html

A five-fold increase in pediatric admissions in New York City this month. Close to double the numbers admitted in Washington, DC. And nationwide, on average, pediatric hospitalizations are up 48% in just the past week.

The highly transmissible Omicron variant is teaming up with the busy holiday season to infect more children across the United States than ever before, and children's hospitals are bracing for it to get even worse.
"I think we are going to see more numbers now than we have ever seen," Dr. Stanley Spinner, who is chief medical officer and vice president at Texas Children's Pediatrics & Urgent Care in Houston, told CNN.
"Cases are continuing to rise between Christmas gatherings and we're going to continue to see more numbers this week from that," Spinner said in a telephone interview.

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174. "12/30/2021 - records broken again"
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US sets new record for daily Covid cases as Omicron spreads across country
A startling 488,000 cases were reported Wednesday, but even that figure is likely an undercount of the true number

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/30/us-new-daily-covid-cases-record-omicron-spreads

Wow.

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https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/587585-walensky-new-isolation-guidance-about-what-we-thought-people-would-be-able


"Nothing is going to be 100 percent, and this is one of those situations when you're dealing with a very difficult situation. We often say, you don't want the perfect to be the enemy of the good," Fauci said.

"The CDC feels, and I don't disagree with them at all, that wearing a mask is ample protection during that second half of a 10-day period, when you balance that against the importance of trying to get people back functioning in society," he added.
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https://fox5sandiego.com/news/coronavirus/studies-indicate-johnson-johnson-booster-provides-strong-protection-against-omicron/

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https://gothamist.com/news/nycs-home-covid-positives-go-unreported-and-unsupported

He took a rapid test at home in his Harlem apartment on Christmas Day, and sure enough, it was positive.

So, he called the city-run Test and Trace hotline, 212-COVID19, hoping to share the news with contact tracers. Of the many options the hotline offered—a directory of testing sites, resources for long COVID, help with isolation—none allowed him to report his positive test.

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175. "Yeah…this isn’t going away…we living with this for a while…"
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176. "01/02/2022"
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Omicron-related disruptions cause over 4,000 flight cancellations to kick off 2022

https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/airlines-grapple-with-omicron-related-disruptions-start-off-2022-2022-01-02/

Over 4,000 flights were cancelled around the world on Sunday, more than half of them U.S. flights, adding to the toll of holiday week travel disruptions due to adverse weather and the surge in coronavirus cases caused by the Omicron variant.

The flights cancelled by 8 pm GMT on Sunday included over 2,400 entering, departing from or within the United States, according to tracking website FlightAware.com. Globally, more than 11,200 flights were delayed.

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Why this Covid-19 surge is 'unprecedented in this pandemic'

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/02/health/us-coronavirus-sunday/index.html

Even health care workers are getting sidelined during the rapid rise of the Omicron variant, the most contagious strain of novel coronavirus to hit the US.

"Our health system is at a very different place than we were in previous surges," emergency medicine professor Dr. Esther Choo said.

"This strain is so infectious that I think all of us know many, many colleagues who are currently infected or have symptoms and are under quarantine," said Choo, associate professor at Oregon Health and Science University.

"We've lost at least 20% of our health care workforce -- probably more."


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Rubio criticizes 'irrational hysteria' over omicron
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/587827-rubio-criticizes-irrational-hysteria-over-omicron

https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1476991857699659777

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177. "01/03/2022"
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Booster Can Boost Effectiveness Against Omicron To 88%, UK Studies Show
Covid Booster Dose: The findings compiled in a report by the UK Health Security Agency (UKSHA) show significantly higher protection provided by third vaccine dose.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/coronavirus-vaccine-coronavirus-vaccine-news-coronavirus-booster-news-booster-can-boost-effectiveness-against-omicron-to-88-uk-studies-show-2685771

Eric Topol, professor of molecular medicine, and director of the Scripps Research Translational Institute in the US noted that vaccine effectiveness drops to 52 per cent against Omicron around six months after taking the second shot of a COVID-19 vaccine.

However, a booster dose substantially increases immunity and lowers the odds of being hospitalised with COVID-19 infection.

"That's a big boost of protection for 3rd dose vaccine vs hospitalisation from Omicron infection. Vaccine effectiveness increased from 52 per cent (due to 2-dose waning after 6 months) to 88 per cent after the 3rd dose," Topol tweeted on Sunday.

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https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/omicron-evades-immunity-better-than-delta-danish-study-finds-2022-01-03/

Omicron 2.7-3.7x more infectious than Delta among vaccinated
Booster-vaccinated less likely to transmit coronavirus
Risk of hospitalisation from Omicron half that of Delta

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I need to find articles, but as the positivity rate goes up, the hospitalization rate is too - and so are the deaths. I need to find an article that has the US numbers - it's what I'm interested in right now.


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179. "Here's some hospitalization/death numbers:"
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/01/03/covid-omicron-variant-live-updates/

Omicron’s impact better measured by rising hospitalizations than cases, Fauci says

As the United States continues to see a huge spike in coronavirus cases driven by the omicron variant, the nation’s top infectious-disease expert, Anthony S. Fauci, says the better way to track the variant’s impact is to look at growing hospitalizations.

The United States was averaging more than 400,000 new cases each day as of Monday, double the previous week’s rate, according to Washington Post data, and is expected to soon hit as many as 1 million cases per day. Fauci, speaking on ABC’s “This Week” on Sunday, said “the real bottom line that you want to be concerned about is: Are we getting protected by the vaccines from severe disease leading to hospitalization?”

Hospitalizations are up 31 percent from last week, and deaths increased by 37 percent, with about 1,500 Americans dying of covid-19 each day. Experts have warned that this surge will be driven by the unvaccinated, as those who are vaccinated and boosted would have considerable protection from serious illness.

Fauci warned of the broader dangers on CNN: “Even if the rate of hospitalization is lower with omicron than it is with delta, there is still the danger that you will have a surging of hospitalizations that might stress the health-care system.”

  

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181. "88% effective against symptomatic infection?"
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based on all the boosted people going through breakthroughs right now i just don't believe that statistic holds up in a real world setting.

  

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184. "88% in those "lab tests""
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>based on all the boosted people going through breakthroughs
>right now i just don't believe that statistic holds up in a
>real world setting.

I wonder how quickly it wanes IRL. If people got boosters 3 months ago how effective are they now?

Plus there's so much COVID out there and it looks like it's easier to catch than the old strains - so the we may not know how to accurately gauge risks IRL yet.



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194. "i caught it 3-4 weeks after the booster"
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and i'm not the only one.

don't think these lab tests hold much weight with the 'cron. case counts amongst the boosted say otherwise.

  

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178. "Vitamin D"
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The Vital Vitamin D/COVID-19 Connection with Dr. Michael Holick
https://youtu.be/JbLX08eVmIs

Vitamin D, government inaction https://youtu.be/fbGug3rczx4

Vitamin D levels advised https://youtu.be/V5g9AVqRsjo

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183. "Another video"
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That shows how important vitamin D is for the immune system. (predates covid-19 but shows how vitamin D fights off many diseases and infections)

https://youtu.be/v3pK0dccQ38

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185. "Campbell's channel is really good"
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186. "yeah, i've been watching him "
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since the beginning of the pandemic

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190. "Wrong place"
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260. "Campell going more crazy over time"
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Last week he says: A lot of deaths WEREN'T JUST from COVID therefore we can't count those. Just blames it on the co-morbidity and I guess that those people would have died anyways?? (And then also doesn't try to find ways to identify deaths not counted.)

This week: His latest video is: Omicron, when to be exposed

He's saying that it is INEVTIABLE to be exposed so he's going to choose when.

How about this asshole: Never - or as late as you can. Certainly not NOW during massive strain on hospitals.

And he's still pushing Ivermectin.

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263. "Cambell now says COVID deats are over reported"
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Truly an insane video with a complete and STUPID misunderstand of death certificates and what counts as a COVID death.

He may be the poster "The Mac."

Dude is using his platform to misinform now - but since he "seems" reasonable a lot of anti-vax people are really linking to him now.

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294. "Campbell in love with ivermectin disinfomation"
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He's either declining mentally, or cashing in. Or both.

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188. "I wish this lady and Campbell were right, but it's flimsy"
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I agree - people should watch their D levels, I do by taking a supplement.

Plus Campbell has gone BATSHIT CRAZY with ivermectin pushing - even though there's no clinical data showing it to be effective. When Paxlovid is readily available I hope he changes his tune. (I stopped watching him when he started pushing vitamin D hard - although Youtube still shows him to me a lot.)

But I can find no reliable studies saying higher levels of Vitamin D improve COVID outcomes.

I do find a LOT of websites and places that sell supplements touting it.

BTW: I'd love for a cheap and easy to get supplement or treatment worked on COVID, but I don't see that be proven in any way yet. Let's hope someone is actively studying it.



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189. "i didn't watch the ivermectin stuff"
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can't hurt to take vitamin D if you think it will help with covid-19 or not. helps with way more stuff than just covid-19.

Campbell and that woman mentioned a study in their videos. don't know how reliable that study was. i think they both mentioned the same study.

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191. "Found this study after a quick search on Google scholar"
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https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C9&q=covid+19+vitamin+d+deficiency&oq=COVID+19+vit#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3DXDZRNOIkShMJ

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193. "Just wanted to add"
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If looking for studies, best to use Google scholar. Regular Google search will mostly bring up ads and will intentionally exclude medical information since Google is mostly an ad agency.

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280. "yeah that's where i get most of mine from...& my friends at the WHO/CDC"
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180. "Most of us sent our kids off to get infected today..."
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most kids will probably be fine ..but some won't ..and that shit is coming home to every household this week ...good luck








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182. "Our school district went virtual this week, with the plan to"
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evaluate case numbers going forward re: a return to the classroom. But yeah - with the high rate of transmissibility that this variant has combined with kids in school who are half wearing cloth masks, and returning to the classroom after having been on vacation, visiting family, traveling, etc...it's going to get worse before it gets better.

  

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187. "Charlotte schools start up tomorrow "
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and they passed a state law that schools cant go full virtual.

wife already said a few students already told her they had covid

my 5 year old is vaxxed but the 4 year old isn’t

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192. "We are truly in a bizarro world timeline..."
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>and they passed a state law that schools cant go full
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198. "Biden admin wants schools open "
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I know, I know- I'm a broken record.

But folks in this house expected more. Expected the response to be much, much better.

When Democrats won it felt like adults took back over. It was a huge sense of relief.


That was half the story. Adults? Yes. Give a shit? No.

Its been a year. A year.


Biden admin is even taking shots at a Chicago Teacher Union for closing up shop.

The previous administration said stupid dangerous shit, downplayed the severity of COVID, tried to focus on the "booming economy", complained about school closures, implemented racist travel bans, and in general tried to pretend things weren't as bad as they were.

The current administration has done all of the above. (Yes, telling vaxxed to take their masks off before data supported it was one of the dumbest, most dangerous things to come out of this. As will be cutting quarantine)

Biden admin wants you to focus only on the economy. Wants your ass back to work. Wants teachers asses back to work so that you can send your kids to school so that your ass can get back to work.


Trump admin downnplayed COVID at every turn to keep their economy going to win reelection.

Biden admin declared premature victory ...shit I don't even know why. Corruption? Same master?

Cuz they could have dragged it out and blamed Trump. they could have managed expectations better.



A year in the pandemic is still raging. Vaxxed are spreading it. Vaxxed are getting ill. Testing is shit. Masks are getting price gouged. And Uncle Joe wants your kids in school for the same reason they cut quarantine. Economy baby. Doners. Fuck your kids, your safety, all of that.


Writing was on the wall for Omnicron months ago. Months ago. But, job numbers!!

No plan for Omnicron. No tests. No masks. No paid leave. No care.

Just vax up, open schools, and get your ass back to work. Downplay, downplay, blame, shrug shoulders.

Why is everyone okay with it just because it has a nicer face? Just because Biden has the right jersey on?

  

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199. "I'm more cautious than the current admin but things HAVE changed"
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Thu Jan-06-22 01:41 PM by handle

          

>The previous administration said stupid dangerous shit,
>downplayed the severity of COVID, tried to focus on the
>"booming economy", complained about school closures,
>implemented racist travel bans, and in general tried to
>pretend things weren't as bad as they were.

Do you *honestly* think Biden is trying to downplay it? I don't. I hear him talking about it being a huge health issue all the time, telling people to mask, telling people to get vaccinated. And that it's not "over."

Somethings have changed -- there are treatments and therapies that exist now that did not exist in 2020.

Vaccination seems to prevent many infections, and even when you are infected it greatly improves your outcomes.

We also have therapies that worked well - well until Omicron took a few away, including prophylactic antibody treatments, post-infection antibody treatments, and now the Merck and Pfizer drugs are becoming available.


>The current administration has done all of the above. (Yes,
>telling vaxxed to take their masks off before data supported
>it was one of the dumbest, most dangerous things to come out
>of this. As will be cutting quarantine)

They told people they could go mask less when if they were vaccinated and around other people who were also vaccinated - because at the time it was safe, and also as an incentive to get vaccinated. they didn't say 'You're vaxxed, everything is back to normal, problem solved."

If the situation would have stayed static (and , to be clear - it did not stay static) that was not a crazy message.

Literally half of the country was done with masks by that point anyways - governors mandating by law that masks can not be required.

Once delta hit that advise was changed - and changed AFTER I caught delta. They changed the guidance --but too late.


>Biden admin wants you to focus only on the economy. Wants
>your ass back to work. Wants teachers asses back to work so
>that you can send your kids to school so that your ass can
>get back to work.

Seems like the COUNTRY wants that - literally 75% or more of the country wants it "in the past" and Biden is trying to provide as much public health guidance and support as he can. He hasn't done it purposefully or recklessly - but if you think he's motivated 1/10 as much as Trump by denial and focusing on money - I disagree.

I don't see Biden as a ruthless capitalist. But he's certainly trying to balance it - while my inclination would be to focus only on health, I don't think any country has been able to do that.

>Biden admin declared premature victory ...shit I don't even
>know why. Corruption? Same master?

I don't remember him declaring victory - I remember him saying the plan was working. And it was working UNTIL IT DIDN'T because the variants were a variable no one had control over.


>Cuz they could have dragged it out and blamed Trump. they
>could have managed expectations better.
that's it , it's expectations.

No one's saying Trump could have solved COVID - we're just saying he maliciously did it for political reasons and plain cruelty.

Trump saying "I'm not going to wear a mask" was a point where 30% of the people in the country. And he did it for


>A year in the pandemic is still raging. Vaxxed are spreading
>it. Vaxxed are getting ill. Testing is shit. Masks are
>getting price gouged. And Uncle Joe wants your kids in school
>for the same reason they cut quarantine. Economy baby.
>Doners. Fuck your kids, your safety, all of that.
Yeah, that's you projecting.


>Writing was on the wall for Omnicron months ago. Months ago.
> But, job numbers!!

Really? November 24th was 6 weeks ago.

He could have ordered 1 billion tests and 1 billion masks in February - but a lot of folks would have criticized that in the same way if they ended up not being used.

>
>Why is everyone okay with it just because it has a nicer face?
>Just because Biden has the right jersey on?

Nope, because he's doing a BETTER job than Trump and I believe he's trying to manage it.

I think the sheer amount of disease GLABBLY means we can only try to manage it now - I see this as something you can't clean up and "fix' but you can try to manage and get it better.

And yes, I'm depressed about it all. And especially my fellow countrymen.

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201. "the bar should not be so low"
In response to Reply # 199
Fri Jan-07-22 03:05 PM by Stadiq

          

>>The previous administration said stupid dangerous shit,
>>downplayed the severity of COVID, tried to focus on the
>>"booming economy", complained about school closures,
>>implemented racist travel bans, and in general tried to
>>pretend things weren't as bad as they were.
>
>Do you *honestly* think Biden is trying to downplay it? I
>don't. I hear him talking about it being a huge health issue
>all the time, telling people to mask, telling people to get
>vaccinated. And that it's not "over."

Yes. He and his admin absolutely are downplaying it.

That is why quarantine was cut in half, pressure on schools to be open, etc.

That is why- just like Trump- the message has been "economy! economy! economy!"

If they weren't downplaying it, their response would be more than "get vaxxed jack"



>
>Somethings have changed -- there are treatments and therapies
>that exist now that did not exist in 2020.
>
>Vaccination seems to prevent many infections, and even when
>you are infected it greatly improves your outcomes.
>
>We also have therapies that worked well - well until Omicron
>took a few away, including prophylactic antibody treatments,
>post-infection antibody treatments, and now the Merck and
>Pfizer drugs are becoming available.

Biden admin took their foot off the gas when vaccines hit. They were very naïve about participation and their effectiveness in preventing the spread.

They were so eager to declare victory they did not put enough resources into testing, etc.

We are living it, man. Cant find tests. Masks price gouged. The treatments you referenced have to be rationed.



>
>
>>The current administration has done all of the above. (Yes,
>>telling vaxxed to take their masks off before data supported
>>it was one of the dumbest, most dangerous things to come out
>>of this. As will be cutting quarantine)
>
>They told people they could go mask less when if they were
>vaccinated and around other people who were also vaccinated -
>because at the time it was safe, and also as an incentive to
>get vaccinated. they didn't say 'You're vaxxed, everything is
>back to normal, problem solved."

You're splitting hairs here. I know why they told people to take their masks off. They were dumb enough to think that would incentivize enough people. It didn't. Everyone took their masks off and business weren't comfortable requiring them.

There wasn't enough data at the time to support it. Even then, vaxxed can still spread.

Again, their plan needs to be more than the vaccine.



>
>If the situation would have stayed static (and , to be clear -
>it did not stay static) that was not a crazy message.
>
>Literally half of the country was done with masks by that
>point anyways - governors mandating by law that masks can not
>be required.

Why in the world would anyone think the situation would stay satic? Not a single serious person though that.

Variants have always been a possibility.

And when the Biden admin did that, they removed any cover for businesses etc who still required them.

I live in a blue city in a red ass state. Mask compliance was relatively decent prior to that.

Once they said that, it was a shit storm. Businesses did not feel comfortable requiring them, etc.

They did it too soon.

There were/are much better ways to get people to vax- like requiring it for air travel, tax breaks, etc.



>
>Once delta hit that advise was changed - and changed AFTER I
>caught delta. They changed the guidance --but too late.

And yet Delta didn't teach them a fucking thing. Omnicron is mollywhopping shit and the Biden admin has no fucking answer for it.

When are we allowed to ask the Biden admin to be prepared?

>
>
>>Biden admin wants you to focus only on the economy. Wants
>>your ass back to work. Wants teachers asses back to work so
>>that you can send your kids to school so that your ass can
>>get back to work.
>
>Seems like the COUNTRY wants that - literally 75% or more of
>the country wants it "in the past" and Biden is trying to
>provide as much public health guidance and support as he can.
>He hasn't done it purposefully or recklessly - but if you
>think he's motivated 1/10 as much as Trump by denial and
>focusing on money - I disagree.

I think you get too invested in seeing Democrats as better people.

They are. There you go.

That doesn't mean they aren't shitty. Okay so Trump was 100% motivated by economy and Biden is 50%- how does that help anyone?

The results, sadly, are shockingly similar.

>
>I don't see Biden as a ruthless capitalist. But he's certainly
>trying to balance it - while my inclination would be to focus
>only on health, I don't think any country has been able to do
>that.

Why is it so important to you that Biden isn't seen as a ruthless capitalist?


No. Biden is a politician. He and his administration are absolutely prioritizing the economy over safety.

That's an undeniable fact.

Everything else just seems like you are trying to make yourself feel better about it

>
>>Biden admin declared premature victory ...shit I don't even
>>know why. Corruption? Same master?
>
>I don't remember him declaring victory - I remember him saying
>the plan was working. And it was working UNTIL IT DIDN'T
>because the variants were a variable no one had control over.

And yet, they didn't learn a lesson from Delta.

Where is the admin's plan to vaccinate the world to stop variants?

Where is the plan for testing, masks, etc for the next variant?

Why is each variant the first variant to these people?


>
>
>
>>Cuz they could have dragged it out and blamed Trump. they
>>could have managed expectations better.
>that's it , it's expectations.
>
>No one's saying Trump could have solved COVID - we're just
>saying he maliciously did it for political reasons and plain
>cruelty.
>

He thought downplaying COVID would keep the economy and get him reelected.

Biden thinks focusing on the economy will get him reelected. Democrats need donations from companies like Delta. etc

That's the problem here. Both parties serve the same masters, essentially.

Joe Biden is a much, much, much better person than Donald Trump. I'm not arguing he isn't.

I am arguing we should expect more from Joe.

Its that simple.


>Trump saying "I'm not going to wear a mask" was a point where
>30% of the people in the country. And he did it for
>
>
>>A year in the pandemic is still raging. Vaxxed are
>spreading
>>it. Vaxxed are getting ill. Testing is shit. Masks are
>>getting price gouged. And Uncle Joe wants your kids in
>school
>>for the same reason they cut quarantine. Economy baby.
>>Doners. Fuck your kids, your safety, all of that.
>Yeah, that's you projecting.
>
>
>>Writing was on the wall for Omnicron months ago. Months
>ago.
>> But, job numbers!!
>
>Really? November 24th was 6 weeks ago.

Uh, ok. Why are they not 6 weeks ahead?

And why didn't they learn anything from Delta?

And what are the chances you and I are having this same debate about Omega or whatever?

When are we allowed to expect more?

>
>He could have ordered 1 billion tests and 1 billion masks in
>February - but a lot of folks would have criticized that in
>the same way if they ended up not being used.

Who? Republicans? I don't give a shit and neither should the Biden admin- thats the point.

Fuck yeah- lets be overprepared and share with the world.

I thought thats what would happen when the adults took over.
>
>>
>>Why is everyone okay with it just because it has a nicer
>face?
>>Just because Biden has the right jersey on?
>
>Nope, because he's doing a BETTER job than Trump and I believe
>he's trying to manage it.

Better is such fucking low bar. By admitting the virus is an issue and telling people to get vaxxed?

Trump recently said people should get vaxxed. Should he be Prez again?


Why can't we ask for more of Democrats?

>
>I think the sheer amount of disease GLABBLY means we can only
>try to manage it now - I see this as something you can't clean
>up and "fix' but you can try to manage and get it better.
>
>And yes, I'm depressed about it all. And especially my fellow
>countrymen.
>

When the Biden admin took over I honesty didn't expect much on my wish list. Slim majority, etc.

I thought they would do a little more with the 1/6 juice, but nah.

Anyway, one thing I really thought would happen is a competently managed pandemic.

For instance, if you would have told me the Biden CDC- without data to support the decision and, in fact, with data to contradict the decision- would cut quarantine in half I would not have believed you.

If you would have told me a THIRD variant came and the admin wasn't at all ready, I would not have believed you.

If you would have told me that, like the GOP, the Biden admin and blue check liberals were pressuring schools to stay open, I would not have believed you.

If you would have told me in 2022 I won't be able to find reasonably priced masks, tests, etc I would not have believed you.

I could go on and on.

It has not been a competent response. And if Biden were GOP, you would agree with me. You're playing agenda team sport politics.


I work for a nationally recognized healthcare system that is on the brink of collapse- and one of the final, major straws has been the changed CDC guidance on quarantine. It has created a fucking hellscape and more nurses have quit in the last little bit than any time during this. It is chaos. And has pit frontline vs admin more than any time I have seen.


The Biden admin is doing better than Trump, but that is such a low fucking bar I could scream.


They are failing at this pandemic. Which on top of everything, is moronic politically. Sometimes voters need to at least see you try.


For the life of me I won't get people NOT being upset with Dems when they do GOP shit.

Look in this thread. Folks are pissed at local officials for their school stance, but its crickets when I point out Biden has the same stance. Unreal.

  

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203. "RE: the bar should not be so low"
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>For the life of me I won't get people NOT being upset with
>Dems when they do GOP shit.

We're not going to agree.

GOP = Actually hoping people die so they can use it to get elected. ACTAULLY doing that. No hyperbole. I believe that 100% by listening to what they say.

DNC = NONE of that.

This is why there will not be a coalition government in the US, and no third parties.


>I work for a nationally recognized healthcare system that is on the >brink of collapse- and one of the final, major straws has been the >changed CDC guidance on quarantine. It has created a fucking >hellscape and more nurses have quit in the last little bit than any >time during this. It is chaos. And has pit frontline vs admin more >than any time I have seen.

Working near asompytpomic people DURING a staffing crisis with no symptoms after 5 days of onset AND masked and remain without symptoms are the last straw? Hasn't been that way at my hospital system, or county because it's implement only that way when in critical staffing shortages.

And it never allows symptomatic people to work. And ALL must work with masks. And our system requires the fit testing procedures to be followed very closely.

I also work for a large hospital system.

I didn't see the change as dramatic as EVEYRONE seems to think it is. It's not "You coughing fever-y mess, come into the hospital and cough on people because we wants to make MONEY."

It's FAR from that, and much more nuanced. But I guess DNC=GOP isn't nuanced either.

Here's our orders:

https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/dam/sdc/hhsa/programs/phs/Epidemiology/covid19/HealthOfficerOrder-Quarantine.pdf

d.Health care employers with critical staffing shortages and lacking the staff to provide safe patient care may use Contingency Capacity Strategies as described by CDC where asymptomatic healthcare personnel (including in skilled nursing facilities during an outbreak
when all staff are considered potentially exposed) are allowed to continue work with a surgical mask or respirator with PCR or antigen testing upon identification and at Day 5-7, but still report temperature and absence of symptoms each day until 10 days after exposure.

e.Persons other than health care personnel who reside or work in a high-risk congregate living setting (e.g., skilled nursing facilities, prisons, jails, shelters) or persons residing or working with severely immunosuppressed persons (e.g., bone marrow or solid organ
transplants, chemotherapy) shall quarantine for 10 days in the absence of staffing shortages.

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207. "Nearly a quarter of hospitals are reporting a critical staff shortage"
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I don't know what combination of losing staff from attrition/staff left vs. infected staff.

But let me say that while I disagreed with you that people are quitting because of the 2 week old updated CDC guidance - they have been quitting over the last year.

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/hospitals-reporting-critical-staff-shortage-as-omicron-drives-rise/38704619#

About 24% of U.S. hospitals are reporting a "critical staffing shortage," according to data from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, as public health experts warn the COVID-19 surge fueled by the omicron variant threatens the nation's health care system.

"Given how much infection there is, our hospitals really are at the brink right now," Dr. Ashish Jha, dean of Brown University's School of Public Health, told CNN on Sunday.

Of the approximately 5,000 hospitals that reported this data to HHS on Saturday, nearly 1,200 -- about 1 in 4 -- said they are currently experiencing a critical staffing shortage, the largest share of the entire pandemic. More than 100 other hospitals said they anticipate a shortage within the next week.

The U.S. health care system is Jha's greatest concern, he said, noting the omicron surge could hamper its capacity to care for patients suffering from conditions other than COVID-19.

"The health care system is not just designed to take care of people with COVID … it's designed to take care of kids with appendicitis and people who have heart attacks and get into car accidents," he said.

"And all of that is going to be much, much more difficult because we have a large proportion of the population that is not vaccinated, plenty of high-risk people who are not boosted," he said. "That combination sets up a large pool of people who as they get infected will end up really straining the resources we have in the hospitals today."

These staff shortages are growing as frontline health care workers are either infected or forced to quarantine due to exposure to COVID-19 just as the demand for treatment skyrockets: More than 138,000 COVID-19 patients were in U.S. hospitals as of Saturday, according to the Department of Health and Human Services. That's not far from the all-time peak (about 142,200 in mid-January 2021) and an increase from around 45,000 in early November.

To safeguard hospital capacity, some facilities are forced to cut elective surgeries. In New York, for example, 40 hospitals -- mainly in the Mohawk Valley, Finger Lakes and central regions -- have been told to stop nonessential elective operations for at least two weeks because of low patient bed capacity, the state health department said Saturday.

The University of Kansas Health System is also close to implementing crisis standards of care, Chief Medical Officer Dr. Steven Stites said Saturday, telling CNN, "At some point ... we're too overwhelmed to do any of our normal daily work."

"At that point, we have to turn on a switch that says we got to triage to the people we can help the most," he said, "and that means we've have to let some people die who we might have been able to help but we weren't sure about -- they we're too far gone or had too much of an injury, or maybe we can't get to that trauma that just came in."

Stites said two waves were hitting Kansas simultaneously -- with delta accelerating post-Thanksgiving, to be met by omicron -- describing it as "almost a double pandemic." The vast majority of those being hospitalized are unvaccinated, Stites said.

About 62.5% of the total U.S. population is fully vaccinated according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. About 36% of those have received a booster shot, the data shows.

Dr. Jonathan Reiner, professor of medicine and surgery at George Washington University, told CNN on Saturday the next several weeks will "look bad in many American cities."

"Forty hospitals in New York just canceled elective procedures. The D.C. Hospital Association, where I work, has asked the D.C. government for permission for hospitals to enact crisis standards of care," he said. "And that's coming to every city in the United States."

Los Angeles sees record weekly case numbers
Nationwide, 39 states are reporting a 50% or greater increase in cases during the past week compared to the previous week, according to a CNN analysis of data from Johns Hopkins University. As of Saturday, the seven-day average of new daily cases in the U.S. was 701,199, per JHU data.

Some localities are now seeing the most new cases they've seen the whole pandemic, including Los Angeles County.

On Saturday, the county reported more than 200,000 confirmed cases over the previous seven days -- the highest number of cases in one week since the start of the pandemic, according to a news release from the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health. Hospitalizations doubled over the week to 3,200 and there were 135 COVID-related deaths, the department said.

With infections rising, California Gov. Gavin Newsom on Saturday announced a proposed $2.7 billion COVID-19 Emergency Response Package designed to bolster testing and vaccination efforts, support frontline workers and battle misinformation, his office said in a news release. Newsom also signed an executive order Saturday "establishing consumer protections against price gouging on at-home test kits," according to his office.

The rise in infections is also hitting Los Angeles' children hard.

At Children's Hospital Los Angeles, the positivity rate for children tested for COVID-19 has increased from 17.5% in December to 45% to date in January, according to CHLA Medical Director Dr. Michael Smit.

CHLA currently has 41 patients in-house who have tested positive for COVID-19, and roughly one-quarter of the children admitted to the facility with COVID-19 require admission to the pediatric ICU, with some requiring intubation, Smit told CNN on Saturday.

(More at link)

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225. "My hospital detailed our policy this week"
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We have reviewed the new order and determined that for everyone’s health and safety, we will not ask team members who have tested positive for COVID-19 and are asymptomatic to return to work.

Policy

For medical and non-medical facilities, HCWs who have tested positive for COVID-19 (by PCR or antigen test, including home antigen test) and are asymptomatic or have improving mild/moderate symptoms AND 24 hours have passed without a fever (off fever-reducing medication) can return to work:

As early as day 5 with a negative laboratory antigen test on day 5 or later OR On day 11 (after 10 days of home isolation) without an antigen test.


Please note that “day zero” is the onset of symptoms date or, if asymptomatic, the date of testing. Follow-up antigen testing is voluntary. A doctor’s note is not required for return to work even if you are off work for more than 7 days.



Employees with severe illness, or who are immunosuppressed, may return to work after 20 days of home isolation if symptoms are improving and 24 hours have passed without a fever (off fever-reducing medication). A doctor’s note is required in the case of severe illness or hospitalization.

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200. "Fuck him and Psaki forever for this"
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>Biden admin is even taking shots at a Chicago Teacher Union
>for closing up shop.

Scab shit. Teachers are going to remember.

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202. "Right? It doesn't even make sense politically"
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Its like Democrats are actively trying to break up their coalition.


Nothing to protect Black voters.

Nothing on Roe.

Nothing on these strikes.

And now basically telling teachers to quit bitching and get to work.


The next two cycles are going to be a fucking bloodbath.


I saw a tweet that essentially said "We are seeing in real time what happens when Democrats try to serve workers and capital at the same time" and it has stuck with me.

That is exactly what is happening. They are showing voters who matters most when shit hits the fan.


I think they could skate in good times- appear to serve both and get away with it.... but during a crisis? Its clear who is most important to them.

  

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208. "^^^"
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237. "Lori Lightfoot has COVID"
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Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot Announces She Has Tested Positive for COVID-19

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/chicago-mayor-lori-lightfoot-announces-she-has-tested-positive-for-covid-19/2726146/

https://twitter.com/chicagosmayor/status/1481003209481195524?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1481003209481195524%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcchicago.com%2Fnews%2Fcoronavirus%2Fchicago-mayor-lori-lightfoot-announces-she-has-tested-positive-for-covid-19%2F2726146%2F

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244. "It's good she gets to isolate and recover, then work from home"
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That's a great way to protect herself and her colleagues from a dangerous virus that's killed more than 800,000 Americans already. And once there's no danger of her spreading this illness to other people, she can return to her important job of shoveling money to Chicago cops and real estate developers and trying to break the Chicago Teacher's Union.

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195. "My wife and I been worrying for weeks"
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Our county decided to go virtual until 1/18 before the winter break. The governor of MD was critical, saying it wasn't necessary, was poor judgment by the county, etc. The next day, he announced he had COVID. Life comes at you fast...

Meanwhile, other counties and DC have tried to stick with back to school after the break, but have made changes since Xmas. Some counties want a negative COVID test before the kids can come back (which is hard to get tested over the holiday, hard to find test kits in stores, and hard to get tested during a snowstorm). Some want the parents to inform the school if the child is infected (which I'm sure will go swimmingly). Some are just opening and playing 'lets see how it goes'. All while COVID cases areawide are climbing at a staggering rate.

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196. "01/04/2021 - 1 Million Cases a day"
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Well, 1 million REPORTED cases yesterday. And that's probably not counting most people who took home tests and got positive - and definitely doesn't count the people who can't get a test.

And there's still a lot of Delta being reported.

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U.S. reports over 1 million new daily Covid cases as omicron surges
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/04/us-counts-over-1-million-new-daily-covid-cases-in-global-record-.html

The U.S. has reported a record single-day number of daily Covid cases, with more than 1 million new infections.

A total of 1,082,549 new coronavirus cases were reported Monday, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University, as the highly infectious omicron variant continues to spread throughout the country and beyond.

The U.S. also has the highest seven-day average of daily new cases in any country tracked by Johns Hopkins.

The record single-day total may be due in part to delayed reporting from over the holiday weekend. A number of U.S. states did not report data on Dec. 31, New Year’s Eve, and many do not report data on weekends, meaning that some of these cases could be from positive tests taken on prior days.

The latest available weekly data from the U.S. CDC, ended on Dec. 25, estimates that the delta variant accounted for around 41% of cases while omicron made up around 58.6% of U.S. infections.
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Omicron now 95% of new COVID-19 infections in U.S., CDC estimates
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-omicron-variant-95-percent-cases/

The Omicron variant made up around 95.4% of new COVID-19 cases in the U.S. last week, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said in an updated estimate published on Tuesday. Only two regions of the U.S. — New England and part of the Midwest — have yet to reach 90% locally. The Delta variant, which was dominant up until a few weeks ago, makes up nearly all the other cases.

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Omicron may be less severe, but it's raising Houston hospitalizations to ‘staggering’ levels

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/health/article/Omicron-may-be-less-severe-but-prevalence-raises-16747178.php

The Texas Medical Center topped 400 new COVID admissions per day between Christmas and New Year’s Day, double the previous week and on par with the worst of delta’s summertime peak. Before omicron’s arrival, the hospital consortium was averaging just 56 hospitalizations per day throughout the month of November.

At Texas Children’s Hospital, pediatric hospitalizations are up fivefold since mid-December. Seventy kids, most unvaccinated, were in the hospital’s COVID wing as of Monday, a tally the hospital’s pathologist-in-chief, Dr. James Versalovic, called “staggering.”

“We cannot say this (variant) is milder for children because it is frankly early and we need time to follow these children and gather data about their outcomes,” Versalovic told reporters Monday.


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'No ICU beds left': Massachusetts hospitals are maxed out as COVID continues to surge
https://www.wgbh.org/news/local-news/2022/01/04/no-icu-beds-left-massachusetts-hospitals-are-maxed-out-as-covid-continues-to-surge


Experts say although the now-dominant omicron variant appears to result in less severe illness than earlier variants, the sheer number of new cases is overwhelming the capacity of the state's hospitals.

"It's really a math issue," Lai-Becker said. "It's the sheer volume, that so many more people have been infected with COVID."

Even if only a small percentage of people who have COVID-19 require hospitalization for their symptoms, overall case numbers are so high that even that small percentage is enough to pack emergency rooms, she explained.

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