legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79585 posts
Mon Nov-22-21 01:02 PM
1. "I know where my current 401K is located" In response to Reply # 0
and what its invested in and what the company matches
my previous 401K’s have been rolled over into an IRA and its in an M1 account.
just wish there was more in there.. lol.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
2. "yep to alladat. " In response to Reply # 0 Mon Nov-22-21 01:19 PM by FLUIDJ
We’ve tapped into ours once…non emergency but a solid investment need/want/ mechanism … I’d do it again for the same reason if necessary. I’d advise that if you do, do your math and really understand what’s needed for you to recoup and not end up in a bad place. We came up with a solid plan and understood and 5 years later it’s paid off and we’re ahead overall because it was a solid investment.
"Get ready....for your blessing....." "Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"
4. "Can I tell a crazy story I've been keeping to myself. " In response to Reply # 0
Some time ago my boy hit me up to invest in his company. I said I had no spare money. He said what about your 401k. It just so happened I had an orphan 401k. That is, I changed jobs and I never got around and rolled it into my newer main 401k with 10 years of contributions.
he said he could roll that over into his business without actually breaking my 401k (i.e, no tax consequences). I said knock yourself out. I signed a bunch of paperwork to make it happened and forgot about it.
This year he hit me up with notice of a dividend. turns out they were paying out dividends. the dividend came back at 3x and I am still invested in the company. Infact, because I am so early I am a 1 percent owner of his company and its killing the game. valuation is like 10x my main 401k. He needs to not make it disappear by the time I retire. But if he keeps growing it. It's all good. Its wild.
********** "Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79585 posts
Mon Nov-22-21 02:51 PM
5. "damn.. that is a nice come up" In response to Reply # 4
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
In short, I think he rolled my 401k into a roth and then used the roth to invest in his business (all by the books but I think its a bit complex still). I can't touch it for a minute without tax consequences but yeah, its good to have there and no think about.
********** "Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
13. "wow. now i just need a brilliant friend to invest in" In response to Reply # 11
"Yet, from the start, a small number of entrepreneurs, like Thiel, made an end run around the rules: Open a Roth with $2,000 or less. Get a sweetheart deal to buy a stake in a startup that has a good chance of one day exploding in value. Pay just fractions of a penny per share, a price low enough to buy huge numbers of shares. Watch as all the gains on that stock — no matter how giant — are shielded from taxes forever, as long as the IRA remains untouched until age 59 and a half. Then use the proceeds, still inside the Roth, to make other investments."
-- the untold want by life and land ne'er granted now voyager sail thou forth to seek and find
10. "These are the wrong take aways my risk averse brother!!!!" In response to Reply # 9 Mon Nov-22-21 04:12 PM by Buddy_Gilapagos
I should have mentioned that this just wasn't some dude. He is literally one of the most dedicated, hardest working brothers I know. He did superwell in the mortgage brokerage business and had to start over from scratch when all that collapsed in 2008. I trust him with my money more than I trust myself. My man, who I trust implicitly, who already gave me a 3x return on my initial investment, says stick around there is lot more where that comes from and I still believe in him (and I know where the business is headed from my line of work)....why would I pull out now? In fact, we had a laugh about the mutual homey who asked to pull out to flip some real estate because he was sick once he heard what the return would have been in he stayed in.
Look if the company folds he still gave me a 3x return on my investment so its all good. What would really make me kick myself is if I pulled out now and they do what they say there are going to do (and which I believe they can do).
I also forgot to mention is that when I had a creative project and asked for him to invest he did so without hesitation...despite the project going flop. I invested way more in his venture then he did in mine but I did feel an obligation to invest with him because he had my back when I ask.
At any rate, I do plenty of safe stuff but if all the safe investment and safe career stuff plays out the way it is headed, I would kinda disappointed that I did it all too safe. Careerwise and investment wise, I am at the point where I need to take more risk and go for more moonshoots....infact, I emailed you some time ago about one of those moonshoots, to no response, my brother
********** "Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
17. "Honestly hope it makes you rich" In response to Reply # 10 Mon Nov-22-21 11:06 PM by Triptych
I'm just thinking about basic mechanics of any investment. How do you get your money out and when? Just whenever he feels like it? Whenever you ask? Was the 401K converted to stock in the company or an actual ownership percentage?
Not trying to rain on the parade. Just never heard of anything like this.
Thinking about it now though, I suppose basically all 401Ks are invested in something. Curious about the regulations when accepting tax-advantaged money as an investment in a startup basically.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79585 posts
Mon Nov-22-21 04:06 PM
12. "came in with the cold rag" In response to Reply # 9
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
20. "RE: How much do you know about your 401k?" In response to Reply # 0
>If you wanted to use it in an emergency, would you be able >to? How much would you be able to use?
I can borrow up to $50,000 for general use or to buy a house...terms can be different though...
if I have a financial hardship, I can do a withdrawal...but that's taxed and you'll have to pay a 10% penalty on top of that...
>If you leave your company, what's going to happen to your >money afterwards? What are your options?
You have three options at my company...
1) Keep it where it is... 2) Transfer to an IRA 3) Cash it out
> >If you have old 401k money from old jobs, do you know the >names of the firms where it's held? is it still there? when's >the last time you checked?
Can't relate to this one. Been at the same gig my whole career...19 years in...
>What are you currently invested in? How's that working out for >you?
I have a mix of my money being in two funds...one fund follows the S&P 500...and another fund follows the Small Cap 400...
And I will say...it's doing pretty damn well to say the least...I can't expect 20% per year...but the last few years have been pretty damn good...
as long as it evens out to around 8%-10% per year aggregate...ill be fine...
21. "might roll my 700 hours into one" In response to Reply # 0
>If you wanted to use it in an emergency, would you be able >to? How much would you be able to use? > >If you leave your company, what's going to happen to your >money afterwards? What are your options? > >If you have old 401k money from old jobs, do you know the >names of the firms where it's held? is it still there? when's >the last time you checked? > >What are you currently invested in? How's that working out for >you?
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