"When you see things and you read things in the press and you don't understand exactly what's going on, just know that everybody in my life and everybody on my side, and in my team and my wife and my ex and my children...what you're watching is an experiment in unconditional love"

nobody wants to talk about that tho.

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"I don't speak to provoke. I speak because I think our time on Earth is short and each moment that we are not our truest selves, each moment we say what we do not mean because we imagine that is what somebody what's us to say, then we are wasting our time

which has been great to watch
episodes with his family have been brutal

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Navem nu, cuando sol
Tutu nu, vondo nos nu
Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

When the sun shades the ship
We sweat and life is not safe
To swim or to touch not
When we unite we hedge amen

love has nothing to do with tolerating things that dont serve your best interest for long periods of time though

outside looking in, Will is extremely preoccupied with public perception of his family. to the point where he may be keeping up a front to save face. he's appeared wounded if not completely broken

>outside looking in, Will is extremely preoccupied with public
>perception of his family. to the point where he may be keeping
>up a front to save face.

He repeatedly talked about his entire public persona being a creation, to protect himself from the public knowing the real him. Also honest about the issues he had with his father making him determined to be perceived as the best dad in the world, regardless of reality.

He dropped some quotables in that show too…I love the quote that “you can care about the feelings of others or you can win” and the fact that he didn’t give an answer for what is the right choice, because it depends. In the story about Willow the right choice was caring about her feelings - regardless of the tour, the money, outside expectations, etc. But he also talked about plenty of choices to win regardless of the feelings of others.

The public persona thing runs deep.

Well beyond his public celebrity persona. He developed that as a child because he felt that he needed to craft that outward persona as a sheer matter of survival.

It's also to help cover up his perception of himself as a coward.

People have all these opinions on him, but things that are this deeply rooted doen't just turn off.

I could be being naive in thinking it's been obvious to others, but I thought much of the criticism (and judgment) from people has been essentially communicating that there's a differnce between unconditional love and just plain stupidity and unnecessarily tolerating mistreatment.

It could be that Will is trying to prove that there really isn't a difference between the two... at least not in his mind.

I don't claim to know who's correct. I do know that I'll never again tolerate the kind of stuff he's tolerating. My life's path in relationships is teaching me something different. Only he knows what's right for him tho.

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Why are people so intent on painting him as this suffering husband when he has repeatedly made it clear that that is not at all the case?

It's so weird.

on the August Alsina Red Table (the only one I've watched), he was in tears and broken up that day

I wont say that makes up the whole of their relationship, but yeah

But even if that were the case, he has repeatedly, in so many ways, said that he is not at all broken up about their relationship and that they are in a great place. They both have said this.

Why isn't that enough? Why assume he's being 'mistreated?' Why is she a villain?

It makes so little sense...

https://www.insider.com/will-smith-jada-pinkett-smith-red-table-talk-crying-explanation-2020-10


>But even if that were the case, he has repeatedly, in so many
>ways, said that he is not at all broken up about their
>relationship and that they are in a great place. They both
>have said this.

I think they're keeping up appearances.


>Why isn't that enough? Why assume he's being 'mistreated?' Why
>is she a villain?

I dont think he's being mistreated or that she's a villain. I think he's ashamed and embarrassed by their dirty laundry hitting the public, with everyone seeing they're less than perfect

>I dont think he's being mistreated or that she's a villain. I
>think he's ashamed and embarrassed by their dirty laundry
>hitting the public, with everyone seeing they're less than
>perfect

exactly. YOU think he's ashamed and embarrassed. He says he's not. But that doesn't matter to you because you want so badly for that narrative to be true that you won't ever accept or consider anything else.

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"I don't speak to provoke. I speak because I think our time on Earth is short and each moment that we are not our truest selves, each moment we say what we do not mean because we imagine that is what somebody what's us to say, then we are wasting our time

my premise is he's saving face. meaning, he wont come out and admit if he's hurt either way

Im not invested in this very much either way. I found it very goofy how he tried to joke his way through he and Jada talking about serious issues they've faced. Im not pressed to know their tea/gossip/drama either, my whole thing is address it seriously (without being funny/goofy) or not at all

>But even if that were the case, he has repeatedly, in so many
>ways, said that he is not at all broken up about their
>relationship and that they are in a great place. They both
>have said this.
>
>Why isn't that enough? Why assume he's being 'mistreated?' Why
>is she a villain?

So when he says they are great now, folks are skeptical.

I also think people perceive her as a "villain" because she was smashing her child's friend who was staying with them while he was going through a mental health crisis. People tend to look down on that sort of thing.


>
>It makes so little sense...


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

... But this "he's being mistreated" narrative doesn't at all jive with what he himself has said.

We regularly disregard what people say in bad/abusive/toxic relationships.

Chris Brown and Rhianna made peace publically and recorded a duet "Ain't Nobodies Business" and people regularly disregard what she says about their relationship.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>Why are people so intent on painting him as this suffering
>husband


I can only speak for what I would and wouldn't tolerate. My only speculation as to why people say he's suffering is the obvious guess that they'd be suffering if they were tolerating what he's tolerating and have probably never seen anyone tolerating those things who wasn't suffering to some degree because of it.

At the same time, unconditional love itself is an act that involves suffering, so I'd say it's safe to assume there's suffering involved here... it's just that he willingly embraces it as a challenge and means of self-development. That's a big part of unconditional love if not what it is entirely in some cases.

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"The world is before you and you need not take it or leave it as it was when you came in." - James Baldwin

https://youtu.be/yb30w4s4VPs?t=63

Love shouldn't be unconditional. That shit sounds all flowery and cute but that's some bullshit. If Jada was raising her hand to him, I'd bet he'd have some conditions then.

Problem is he scared to take the L (I don't blame him). He don't know where his boundaries are and it's too late to set them now.

Because the literal book on Will Smith is out there, and if you just read it, you'll know exactly why he is the way he is. You'll know the reasons he makes the choices he makes.

And whether or not *you* would make the same choices, or think the same way, the reasons *he* is the way he is and makes the choices he makes, these are all crystal clear once you've read the book.

So I doubt anyone here has read ut yet, and part of the reason we are talking about him because he is doing press for the book.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Since the book is there, it seems like people should just get the book.

Because it least then, they'll have better informed opinions.

I do see that he's discussed some of the book material.

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Shit really ain’t that relatable when you factor in the money and the fame ….


"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

with more fake shit to promote the book. What I felt duped with was the whole show was supposed to be his fitness journey but it was mostly to promote the book. He may be real with it in hindsight during the show but they knew this was for the book regardless if he suddenly gives up trying to do too many things at once.

The show is very interesting though and love seeing the mindset that made him successful and what also seems to be his demise. It explains a lot why the stuff he's been turning out has been mediocre the past couple of decades. Having the therapist there really breaking down a lot of it has been great. His entire career he and Jada have been trying to sell to us that this new hippie free flowing parenting he's been trying to do and the facade they try to create is all really fake or didn't turn out as well as they hoped. If that wasn't clear after the past couple of years of revealing whats going on behind close doors then you are still believing "the show" and not what is actually being shown to us these last few years. LOL @ Jaden wanting to be legally emancipated from his parents because After Earth flopped. What a fucking brat.

Will and Jada have ways of talking about things in lofty abstract terms using flowery language that tends to obfuscate and make things sound more unique and out of the ordinary than they actually are. Like saying "entanglement" instead of an "affair" or "cheated".

I could take from this statement that Will very simply is saying, I am not leaving my wife after being very publically outted as having an affair. That's cool and even commendable. I get it. I think I feel the same way about my wife (hope I don't have to get tested to find out). But admitting that so plainly doesn't sound as lofty and spiritual (and less simp-ish) as the way he tries to put it. But if that's what he means by unconditional love, I get it.

BTW, I also think its a bit more complicated then it appears because I believe Will has had his fair share of affairs and just has not been publically outted (or had affairs with his children's friends but yeah). And most relationships are complicated and no one I know sits in a position to judge their relationship.

HOWEVER, Will is also the guy who stood on the hill that there is NO circumstances he would ever leave his wife because he stood before God and said, "Til Death do us part..."** well that's fucking dumb to me. If that is your idea of unconditional love, that you think doing the right thing may include being miserable and unhappy, well, you aren't doing anything particularly noble or serving anyone except your own ego and pride.

So if that's what he means by unconditional love, then yeah no, that's not in the best interest of anyone in my opinion or experience.






**Whole Quote
"With Jada, I stood up in front of God and said, 'Til death do us part,' Smith said. "So there are two possible outcomes. One, we are going to be together till death, or two, I am dead."

So there are two possible outcomes. One, we are going to be together till death, or two, I am dead."


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>Will and Jada have ways of talking about things in lofty
>abstract terms using flowery language that tends to obfuscate
>and make things sound more unique and out of the ordinary than
>they actually are. Like saying "entanglement" instead of an
>"affair" or "cheated".

I agree with this, for the most part. One thing I found annoying about his book is that there is a fair amount of this overly pholosophical framing.

>I could take from this statement that Will very simply is
>saying, I am not leaving my wife after being very publically
>outted as having an affair.
>That's cool and even commendable.
> I get it. I think I feel the same way about my wife (hope I
>don't have to get tested to find out). But admitting that so
>plainly doesn't sound as lofty and spiritual (and less
>simp-ish) as the way he tries to put it. But if that's what
>he means by unconditional love, I get it.

That's an overly simplistic take IMO. I think the implication that he's a simp for sticking around is even more simplistic, but maybe that's not what you meant, exactly.

>BTW, I also think its a bit more complicated then it appears
>because I believe Will has had his fair share of affairs and
>just has not been publically outted (or had affairs with his
>children's friends but yeah). And most relationships are
>complicated and no one I know sits in a position to judge
>their relationship.

Agreed.

>HOWEVER, Will is also the guy who stood on the hill that there
>is NO circumstances he would ever leave his wife because he
>stood before God and said, "Til Death do us part..."** well
>that's fucking dumb to me.

Citing god as a justification for damn near anything is dumb IMO.

That said, if you believe in a god, then it makes sense that someone would take certain elements of that belief very seriously, and it's not dumb within that context.

If that is your idea of
>unconditional love, that you think doing the right thing may
>include being miserable and unhappy, well, you aren't doing
>anything particularly noble or serving anyone except your own
>ego and pride.

I think that's overly simplistic take as well.

"the right thing" can include any number of unfavorable results to ourselves. I think whether or not it's "noble" is largely irrelevant, but to the point of who it serves, it really depends on the circumstances.

These sorts of choices really boil down to game theory for a lot of people.

As someone in a not-so-dissimilar (definitely not identical) situation myself, the net positives of holding our family unit together dramatically outweighs the potential negatives, up to and included the parts where I am unhappy or dissatisfied with certain elements.

> So if that's what he means by unconditional love, then yeah
>no, that's not in the best interest of anyone in my opinion or
>experience.

My currently lived experience disagrees with this completely, though that could change if you elaborate on your meaning here.

>>Will and Jada have ways of talking about things in lofty
>>abstract terms using flowery language that tends to
>obfuscate
>>and make things sound more unique and out of the ordinary
>than
>>they actually are. Like saying "entanglement" instead of an
>>"affair" or "cheated".
>
>I agree with this, for the most part. One thing I found
>annoying about his book is that there is a fair amount of this
>overly pholosophical framing.
>
>>I could take from this statement that Will very simply is
>>saying, I am not leaving my wife after being very publically
>>outted as having an affair.
>>That's cool and even commendable.
>> I get it. I think I feel the same way about my wife (hope
>I
>>don't have to get tested to find out). But admitting that
>so
>>plainly doesn't sound as lofty and spiritual (and less
>>simp-ish) as the way he tries to put it. But if that's what
>>he means by unconditional love, I get it.
>
>That's an overly simplistic take IMO. I think the implication
>that he's a simp for sticking around is even more simplistic,
>but maybe that's not what you meant, exactly.


I am not saying he is a simp. I am saying that he is speaking elaborately to fight off the perception that he is a simp maybe.



>
>>BTW, I also think its a bit more complicated then it appears
>>because I believe Will has had his fair share of affairs and
>>just has not been publically outted (or had affairs with his
>>children's friends but yeah). And most relationships are
>>complicated and no one I know sits in a position to judge
>>their relationship.
>
>Agreed.
>
>>HOWEVER, Will is also the guy who stood on the hill that
>there
>>is NO circumstances he would ever leave his wife because he
>>stood before God and said, "Til Death do us part..."** well
>>that's fucking dumb to me.
>
>Citing god as a justification for damn near anything is dumb
>IMO.
>
>That said, if you believe in a god, then it makes sense that
>someone would take certain elements of that belief very
>seriously, and it's not dumb within that context.


I believe in God and I don't think God is asking anyone to make promises in his name that are causing great harm. It's a lot different then saying grace before you eat because there is no harm in it. There could be harm in staying in a miserable marriage. Not saying Big Willie is in a miserable marriage, but he is proudly proclaiming to us that he would stay in a miserable marriage because god. That's dumb to me.

Don't "blame


>
>If that is your idea of
>>unconditional love, that you think doing the right thing may
>>include being miserable and unhappy, well, you aren't doing
>>anything particularly noble or serving anyone except your
>own
>>ego and pride.
>
>I think that's overly simplistic take as well.
>
>"the right thing" can include any number of unfavorable
>results to ourselves. I think whether or not it's "noble" is
>largely irrelevant, but to the point of who it serves, it
>really depends on the circumstances.
>
>These sorts of choices really boil down to game theory for a
>lot of people.
>
>As someone in a not-so-dissimilar (definitely not identical)
>situation myself, the net positives of holding our family unit
>together dramatically outweighs the potential negatives, up to
>and included the parts where I am unhappy or dissatisfied with
>certain elements.


Hey No one's relationship is perfect and I think we all measure all the pluses against the minuses. I also think we all put a huge premium on the plus of raising happy well-adjusted kids. We would suffer a lot for that outcome. However, being miserable can be a huge negative that can greatly impact the goal of raising healthy and happy kids. Kids absorb that misery. Not saying that's your or Will situations, but saying anyone in the situation where they would stay in a miserable marriage should really consider what's the point and you might be doing more harm than good.




>
>> So if that's what he means by unconditional love, then yeah
>>no, that's not in the best interest of anyone in my opinion
>or
>>experience.
>
>My currently lived experience disagrees with this completely,
>though that could change if you elaborate on your meaning
>here.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>I believe in God and I don't think God is asking anyone to
>make promises in his name that are causing great harm.

What's the great harm coming to Will?

Will, in his book, seems happy and content with his life, and relationship with Jada. This comes across as a projection of what his lived experience is like for him, and it doesn't jive at all with his rather lengthy expression of how he deals with challenges and sees his own life.

>It's
>a lot different then saying grace before you eat because there
>is no harm in it.

Whether or not the act is "different" doesn't make it any less inherently dumb to thank what amounts to a mythological figure (with due respect, until proven otherwise, that's what we're talking about) for food humans grew/bought/prepared/earned/etc.

Anything someone does that is based on a belief in the existence in a deity that they cannot prove exists is, damn near by definition, dumb.

Belief in a deity is inherently personal. Even if two people believe in the "same" god, they nearly always hold different beliefs about that deity.

Which is why I contend that, within that realm of belief, there's no "correct" belief, because it all boils down to faith, not facts. I'm not trying to steer this into a theological discussion, but I think it's absolutely relative to this point. It's precisely why there are, what? Thousands, maybe, of sects of Christianity alone?

Granted, it's valid to disagree with with another's beliefs or interpretations. I just th

>There could be harm in staying in a
>miserable marriage. Not saying Big Willie is in a miserable
>marriage
>but he is proudly proclaiming to us that he would
>stay in a miserable marriage because god. That's dumb to me.

I don't see "miserable" there. Hard, maybe. But I haven't seen any indication that he feels miserable.

But he's also wired- and programmed- to see difficult tasks through to the end. This is glaringly evident in the first chapter of his book.

And his marriage is, in his eyes, among the most important tasks he's ever had. This man genuinely believes he can do anything. So, while he may vocalize that it's his belief in his vow to god that drives this choice, I think it's pretty clear from his book that this is his approach to damn near everything he considers worthwhile, because of more deeply rooted programming.

He believes in that vow to god. I think that's ubatz (c) Sopranos, but whatever. That's him, and it makes sense within the scope of his belief system. Moreover, he definitely does not convey a miserable marriage.

He's also not against divorce- he's just against not giving your all before it reaches that point.

>Hey No one's relationship is perfect and I think we all
>measure all the pluses against the minuses. I also think we
>all put a huge premium on the plus of raising happy
>well-adjusted kids.

>We would suffer a lot for that outcome.

>However, being miserable can be a huge negative that can
>greatly impact the goal of raising healthy and happy kids.
>Kids absorb that misery. ot saying that's your or Will
>situations, but saying anyone in the situation where they
>would stay in a miserable marriage should really consider
>what's the point and you might be doing more harm than good.

I need clarification here.

Did Will actually say, verbatim, that he would stay in a miserable marriage because of his vow to god?

I read the book, but I'm not following the press tour, so I could have missed that. What I glean from the book, based on his actual words, he just sees divorce as the option you take after you fought to repair whatever was plaguing the marriage. There's nothing in the book that even alludes to staying in a miserable situation of any kind, let alone a miserable marriage.

But yeah, if he's actually said that he'd stay in a miserable marriage- those actual words- due to his vow to god, I'd agree.

I just don't see that mentality anywhere in the book, which I'll generally default to, due to the fact that those are his lengthy, more fully fleshed out thoughts, read in his own voice.

I think we all have conditions that are different than theirs. for them, seeing other folks is a relationship parameter they agreed upon. that doesn't work for a lot of folks.

or

folks will tolerate that type of stuff to stay with someone, even if the agreement was to monogamous.

I can appreciate that he's talking and trying to be more transparent.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

please just go away for bit, my guy.

What on is he doing to you that has left you "thoroughly exhausted"?

Knocking at your door at 3 AM every night, Big Willard's Witnesses style?

Has he hacked all your streaming subs and replaced everything with Smith Family content?

Have your Spotify (or whatever) playlists been replaced with a table read of the After Earth script?

He come to your job to crack on your shoes, telling your boss you ain't shit?

What, exactly, is he doing to leave you so thoroughly exhausted?

is indicative of the the energy that exhausts me. just try-hard, unnecessary, look-at-me vibes. It's hard to avoid, because it's everywhere. So yes, he is exhausting.

I can only imagine how exhausted you are by the more existence of someone you can easily just, you know, choose to not watch, read, or listen to.

In an age where nearly all media exists or doesn't, nearly exclusively at your own personal whims, it doesn't get more unnecessary and try-hard than being "exhausted" by someone you can avoid entirely if you just choose to.

Talk about seeking attention. In a post about the book of one of the most accomplished artists over the course of the last 35 years- god forbid someone write an autobiography and promote it, lord knows that's uncommon🙄- your contributions was how "exhausted" you were by that person.

Everything about everything you've said in here is completely absurd.

I literally can't avoid him because he never stops talking about himself on every form of media.

The problem is, you actually have to go to, click, and listen to be as inundated ad you say you are.

Whichever medium you're on, you have to actually go to him.

Unless you're somehow a hostage to clicking the play button on things you just don't want to hear.

Every form of media that exists has thousands upon thousands of other things you can watch or listen to, that does not consist of Will Smith. Despite his immense stardom, he sti encompasses a small percentage of all media.

But apparently, someone else is controlling your devices, thimbs, eyes, and ears, at all times, and whoever they are, has you on a strict Will Smith regimen.

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Here's a much more concise summary of my reaponse:

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i think you're just exhausted my guy. will smith aint got nothing to do with it lol

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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

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