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Sofian_Hadi
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Wed Nov-10-21 12:28 PM

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"Not sure i've ever seen anything like this Judge in the Rittenhouse case..."


          

He is so obviously biased. To a disgusting degree.

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Rittenhouse will walk, this trial is political drama and a farce
Nov 10th 2021
1
absolutely disgusting
Nov 10th 2021
2
You wouldnt be wrong to mistake the judge for part of the defense.
Nov 10th 2021
3
it's over because rittenhouse didn't break any laws
Nov 10th 2021
4
      lol
Nov 10th 2021
5
           Yeah, this guy is an alias for LittleX
Nov 10th 2021
7
           Lol. First time i've seen a *member since 2021*
Nov 10th 2021
8
           what laws did he break?
Nov 10th 2021
12
                Dee’s Law
Nov 10th 2021
13
                looks like the prosecution rests its case
Nov 10th 2021
16
                RE: Dee’s Law
Nov 15th 2021
156
                Illegal carry at least.
Nov 10th 2021
31
                     fair points
Nov 10th 2021
39
                          Serious question: are you simply a shit poster?
Nov 10th 2021
44
                               LOL I said something similar today.
Nov 10th 2021
46
                               there is no gray area in a court room
Nov 10th 2021
47
Wait....that's the prosecutor, not the defense attorney? Lol
Nov 10th 2021
10
      to clarify
Nov 10th 2021
11
      No. That was one of Rittenhouse's defense lawyers.
Nov 10th 2021
15
court of public opinion will fry him tho and the fake breakdown
Nov 10th 2021
6
Zero tears. Looked @ jury and judge for reassurance that his BS was work...
Nov 10th 2021
14
white walkers!!!
Nov 10th 2021
9
educated guess from being on here too long, beeinfinite = Bartek
Nov 10th 2021
17
nope...Case or deejboram
Nov 10th 2021
20
LittleX
Nov 10th 2021
21
i've never heard of LittleX
Nov 10th 2021
36
Case wouldn't cape for this kid
Nov 10th 2021
37
      Agreed. Case wouldn't go this far for a troll.
Nov 10th 2021
40
      how did you arrive at the conclusion
Nov 10th 2021
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           for the 'okp is so sensitive' guy
Nov 10th 2021
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           lol come on
Nov 10th 2021
48
                lol even after i revised and you still wanna argue
Nov 10th 2021
52
                     nah, but isn't that what y'all do here?
Nov 10th 2021
55
                          what would you like to happen in this exchange, beinfinite?
Nov 10th 2021
56
                               everything that already has
Nov 10th 2021
57
           You're defending Colby Covington and Kyle Rittenhouse
Nov 10th 2021
43
                facts have nothing to do with feelings
Nov 10th 2021
49
                     yeh..deejboram or little x (not familiar with x tho but knew he was a di...
Nov 10th 2021
51
                     RE: facts have nothing to do with feelings
Nov 13th 2021
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At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if it were bshelly.
Nov 10th 2021
45
nevermind, this fuckhead is DeadZombie
Nov 10th 2021
50
Anyone know where Bartek was from?
Nov 11th 2021
111
      canadian
Nov 11th 2021
112
      Bartek + PInfinite (his bro crush) = BeeInfinite? deep cuts
Nov 11th 2021
113
      u know we chop up these bitches
Nov 11th 2021
114
      i fukkin love u LOL
Nov 12th 2021
134
      Oh shit. that's a good one.
Nov 12th 2021
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           do you remember Ike's 'yo p'infinite' video?
Nov 12th 2021
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                nah. what was that about
Nov 13th 2021
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                     don't remember the exact, but Tek had sent PI this mancrush inbox
Nov 13th 2021
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      y'all are wild with the witch hunt
Nov 11th 2021
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           my apologies to denny. what up, Tek?
Nov 11th 2021
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           some day y'all gotta tell me
Nov 11th 2021
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                yo, b'infinite
Nov 11th 2021
120
                     sorry i don't get it mate
Nov 11th 2021
123
                          cute.
Nov 11th 2021
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                               i don't understand
Nov 11th 2021
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                                    i just look up IPs man not here to dance.
Nov 11th 2021
126
                                         ok, i wish you the best of luck with that
Nov 11th 2021
128
           Where is the dox attempt?
Nov 11th 2021
118
Rittenhouse will be a keynote speaker at the next RNC
Nov 10th 2021
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^
Nov 10th 2021
22
absolutely
Nov 10th 2021
23
Yep. This is one of the big problems with cases like this
Nov 10th 2021
25
      Have you seen what's going on in the Charlottesville trial right now?
Nov 10th 2021
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Judge is part of the defense.
Nov 10th 2021
19
He's going to get
Nov 10th 2021
24
I will never understand open carry states
Nov 10th 2021
26
My issue is that he put himself in that situation
Nov 10th 2021
28
      Fair points
Nov 10th 2021
29
           I don't know the legality of it being indamissable
Nov 10th 2021
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                yep i'm with you.
Nov 10th 2021
33
Prosecutor and judge about to square up
Nov 10th 2021
27
seems like this little punk is gonna get off. his defense...
Nov 10th 2021
32
Is that specific to WI ? I thought mistrial meant you could be retried.
Nov 10th 2021
34
      Nvm - just saw that the defense is going for mistrial "with prejudice"
Nov 10th 2021
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Made the mistake of watching 10 mins...
Nov 10th 2021
35
defense asking for a mistrial
Nov 10th 2021
53
mistrial due to prejudice, which means there won't be a retrial
Nov 11th 2021
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to those who think the judge is being impartial
Nov 11th 2021
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LOL would you go back to 4chan please ?
Nov 11th 2021
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those are the facts
Nov 11th 2021
61
Who's angry ? I just said nobody wants you here.
Nov 11th 2021
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      thanks for your warm welcome
Nov 11th 2021
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dude trolling hard af.
Nov 11th 2021
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      imagine being accused of trolling by stating straight verifiable facts
Nov 11th 2021
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           according to con law profs, the defendants 5th rights weren't violated.
Nov 11th 2021
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           source?
Nov 11th 2021
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           We have a Ruckus amongst us
Nov 11th 2021
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I dont know the history of this poster
Nov 11th 2021
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      Stop. Several people have presented facts
Nov 11th 2021
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      Sure but understand the rebuttal doesnt disprove
Nov 11th 2021
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      You’re sure cherry picking things
Nov 11th 2021
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      you could just point out what i ignored and ill address it
Nov 11th 2021
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      What am i cherry picking?
Nov 11th 2021
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      Here's the problem: he's terrible at hiding his lack of objectivity
Nov 11th 2021
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           All of this, but also ...
Nov 11th 2021
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           that's only because your perception was fabricated and given to you
Nov 11th 2021
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                LOLOLOLOLOLOL get a load of objective guy !
Nov 11th 2021
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                     he hasn't shown any bias at all
Nov 11th 2021
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                          Mr. Objective can't even stay on topic.
Nov 11th 2021
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                               theorizing about whether or not the judge *could* be bias is irrelevant
Nov 11th 2021
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                                    I examined what happened in reality. You just didn't address it.
Nov 11th 2021
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                                         no you didn't
Nov 11th 2021
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                                              The judge makes crucial decisions about what can be presented to a jury.
Nov 11th 2021
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                                                   it's clear you don't understand law at all
Nov 11th 2021
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                                                        Again, you are speaking to yourself.
Nov 11th 2021
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                                                             i'm speaking to you
Nov 11th 2021
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                                                                  You're very stupid.
Nov 11th 2021
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                                                                       and you are everything you have shown yourself to be
Nov 11th 2021
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           I mean, his legal analysis is on point from my perspective
Nov 11th 2021
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           I'm specifically addressimg why he's gotten the reaction he's gotten
Nov 11th 2021
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                Since my 1st post, I understand now why he's getting
Nov 11th 2021
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                     explain it to me
Nov 11th 2021
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                          Comments youve made in other posts
Nov 11th 2021
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                               i still don't get it
Nov 12th 2021
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           way to take things completely out of context
Nov 11th 2021
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      can you please point to the facts im ignoring?
Nov 11th 2021
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      lol.. are you Black?
Nov 11th 2021
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      Yep
Nov 11th 2021
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      Unbiased?
Nov 11th 2021
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           i love how you wrote "unbiased?" in your subject
Nov 11th 2021
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                Lol if you could read...
Nov 11th 2021
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                     RE: i love how you wrote "unbiased?" in your subject
Nov 11th 2021
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                          Lmao. You're a moron.
Nov 11th 2021
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                               it's not a laughing matter.
Nov 11th 2021
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                                    Yes, yes i can.
Nov 11th 2021
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                                         i'd insult you too
Nov 11th 2021
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https://i.imgur.com/evSj8Gl.jpg
Nov 11th 2021
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yooo this exactly mirrors something I told my boy earlier today nm
Nov 11th 2021
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it's still real to me dammit!
Nov 11th 2021
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No fucking doubt. Flashing the WS symbol too.
Nov 11th 2021
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It's always fun to see how ad hoc our "legal protections" are
Nov 11th 2021
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What?
Nov 11th 2021
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      RE: What?
Nov 11th 2021
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           Every violation doesnt equal mistrial
Nov 11th 2021
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                *High thought*
Nov 11th 2021
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                     Lmao i thought this same thing at times
Nov 11th 2021
122
The Trumpster ringtone should be grounds for a mistrial
Nov 12th 2021
131
RE: Not sure i've ever seen anything like this Judge in the Rittenhouse ...
Nov 12th 2021
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I think the issue is conflation of two different conversations
Nov 12th 2021
135
It's almost impossible to assert that race is not a factor
Nov 12th 2021
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I didnt say bias doesnt exist.
Nov 12th 2021
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      OK, but "it def wasn't a white/black thing" is almost always wrong
Nov 12th 2021
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      his response still applies
Nov 12th 2021
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           Im saying that whether he is guilty of a crime or
Nov 13th 2021
145
wait.. if Rittenhouse was Black and shot someone on Jan 6th
Nov 12th 2021
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      No thats not what im saying
Nov 12th 2021
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white people understood that this happens
Nov 12th 2021
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that's because white ppl underestimate how much white ppl HATE white
Nov 18th 2021
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      yuuuuup
Nov 22nd 2021
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The only law most white folks believe in is their manipulation
Nov 13th 2021
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A judge should never make himself/herself the center of attention...
Nov 13th 2021
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This judge is basically an Arrested Development character
Nov 13th 2021
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lmao nm
Nov 13th 2021
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I was thinking he was more like Colin Robinson
Nov 14th 2021
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      Nah Colin would bore you to death
Nov 14th 2021
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The judge is INSANE. Just dropped weapons charges
Nov 15th 2021
155
There's no need for a defense team in this trial.
Nov 16th 2021
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Or maybe he was the following the law as written?
Nov 16th 2021
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Do defendants usually get to pick their own jurors out of a raffle??
Nov 16th 2021
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i googled that shit...never seen that before.
Nov 16th 2021
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Wait - what happened ?!
Nov 16th 2021
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https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/581789-rittenhouse-picks-final-...
Nov 16th 2021
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      one of those tweets said it was a long standing tradition
Nov 16th 2021
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           Coupled with 1 black jury member out of 18.....
Nov 16th 2021
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there's so much judicial misconduct in this trial so far.
Nov 16th 2021
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Wrongfully Acquitted would be a good idea for a series
Nov 16th 2021
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I thought this was a joke. Or an exxageration.
Nov 16th 2021
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Judge needs to be put in a pack as much as Kyle.
Nov 17th 2021
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Just referred to a past juror as "a black, the black"
Nov 17th 2021
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Yes entire speech was deranged.
Nov 17th 2021
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Why is he addressing the media from the bench?
Nov 18th 2021
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      He's been making speeches the whole trial.
Nov 18th 2021
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In other news, this GA prosecutor been killing Travis mcmichael
Nov 18th 2021
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Yea it's a nice palate cleanser for this Rittenhouse shit.
Nov 19th 2021
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If yall are reall worried about the judges bias
Nov 19th 2021
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A mistrial wouldn't be a terrible thing.
Nov 19th 2021
177
      Can a mistrial be declared after a jury verdict?
Nov 19th 2021
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Well, want to see something else like it? Judge rules jail would be
Nov 19th 2021
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Saw this late nite. It's truly wild.
Nov 19th 2021
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Now imagine the defendant was white - A Time To Kill
Nov 19th 2021
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Verdict's in.
Nov 19th 2021
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Not guilty all counts
Nov 19th 2021
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Not guilty on all counts
Nov 19th 2021
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Not surprised on all counts.. smh
Nov 19th 2021
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Heh
Nov 19th 2021
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I'm mad, but I'm not even mad, and that's a problem.
Nov 19th 2021
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We live in Zardoz
Nov 19th 2021
187
Yea I've been reading a lot about this one. Scary as fuck.
Nov 19th 2021
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whenever shit like this is going down, i think to Terminator 2...
Nov 19th 2021
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      Damn. So true.
Nov 19th 2021
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ya thats when i gotta leave ny
Nov 19th 2021
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There's also a Russian sci-fi series called Metro that I think about
Nov 19th 2021
195
      Ha goddamn.
Nov 19th 2021
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Grotesque bias from this judge.
Nov 19th 2021
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many people get off on ridiculous technicalities....black and white
Nov 19th 2021
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      Of course - and they do need to amend this statute
Nov 19th 2021
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      You cant blame a judge for following the law on the books
Nov 19th 2021
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           If you don't think this judge exhibited clear bias, idk what to tell you
Nov 19th 2021
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           RE: If you don't think this judge exhibited clear bias, idk what to tell...
Nov 19th 2021
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           Does he have latitude in that interpretation?
Nov 19th 2021
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                sure. A judge can interpret shit as he wants to
Nov 19th 2021
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                     Nah, there was originally a ban on minors owning pistols
Nov 19th 2021
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                          Ah that makes sense.
Nov 20th 2021
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      Judges have wide-ranging discretion while "following the law".
Nov 22nd 2021
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Can he still be taken to Civil Court?
Nov 20th 2021
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Sure he can --plus more
Nov 20th 2021
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He's 18 and unless his parents got an inheriticance for him or some shit
Nov 20th 2021
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I'll say it now, this was always a tough case
Nov 22nd 2021
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Yup. Watching the trial coverage changed my mind
Nov 22nd 2021
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Yep agreed 100%. I honestly forgot about yhe actual video
Nov 22nd 2021
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He was an active shooter
Nov 22nd 2021
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Is there such thing as a lawful active shooter?
Nov 22nd 2021
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What do you mean by lawful active shooter?
Nov 22nd 2021
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      agree 100%...especially this part
Nov 22nd 2021
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      LOL
Nov 23rd 2021
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Well he was being called an active shooter after he shot the 1st person
Nov 22nd 2021
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what's the definition of an active shooter?
Nov 22nd 2021
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a guy caught up in a chaotic scene What ?
Nov 22nd 2021
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      He's just saying....
Nov 22nd 2021
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      Yeah but the facts aren't that they were two "non-agressors"
Nov 22nd 2021
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           >Sick fucking gun culture.
Nov 22nd 2021
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                I think you are missing that someone can see the legality of it
Nov 22nd 2021
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      Its really simple though
Nov 22nd 2021
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           Nah
Nov 22nd 2021
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                Just a couple points re: Wisconsin law
Nov 22nd 2021
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                It's the system
Nov 22nd 2021
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                Yeah but you didn't answer my question.
Nov 22nd 2021
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                     Ok
Nov 22nd 2021
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good for him. the kid got to live out his dream.
Nov 23rd 2021
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Want to talk about "If it were a black man"? Talk about Grandmaster Jay
Nov 23rd 2021
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This is why I hate the BUT ITS THE LAW!!!
Nov 23rd 2021
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Arbery looking like 3 guilties IMO
Nov 23rd 2021
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Its funny how good of a case can make an attorney look (or vice versa)
Nov 23rd 2021
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      Good question. He may fear reprisal
Nov 23rd 2021
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      helps immensely when established facts are on the side of the prosecutor
Nov 23rd 2021
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      LOL@ a good case
Nov 24th 2021
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           Uh yeah, we do.
Nov 24th 2021
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                Also, I think they would have gotten of if....
Nov 25th 2021
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                     Yep good point.
Nov 25th 2021
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it's incredibly funny
Nov 23rd 2021
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Don't stop
Nov 23rd 2021
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if you can't guess I can't help you bro
Nov 24th 2021
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Real life bots
Nov 23rd 2021
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Someone posts online; "I don't like gun nuts, I wish I could go to a ran...
Nov 24th 2021
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Mchmichaels and roddie bryan guilty
Nov 24th 2021
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now thye gotta get the previous prosecutors who tried to bury this shit.
Nov 24th 2021
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      Could Roddy have had his case separated?
Nov 24th 2021
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      his lawyer tried. Judge said nope.
Nov 24th 2021
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      Sad irony is the father leaked the video TO CLEAR THEIR NAMES
Nov 25th 2021
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           It was an attorney friend of Greg mcmichael
Nov 25th 2021
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so he was hanging out with 45?
Nov 24th 2021
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Second thing he did - first was Tucker
Nov 24th 2021
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      Weren't they saying he was denouncing all this stuff?
Nov 25th 2021
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           Why can't you be both Pro-Trump , Pro-Murder, AND Pro-BLM??
Nov 25th 2021
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           What ? lost ?
Nov 26th 2021
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beeinfinite
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Wed Nov-10-21 12:33 PM

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1. "Rittenhouse will walk, this trial is political drama and a farce"
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the judge and everyone with a legal background already knows its over, the prosecution killed itself yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVrwGGfaEac&ab_channel=TheAIOEntertainment

  

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Crash Bandacoot
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2. "absolutely disgusting"
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Sofian_Hadi
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Wed Nov-10-21 12:41 PM

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3. "You wouldnt be wrong to mistake the judge for part of the defense. "
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Shit is crazy to watch. This trail is absolutely over.

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beeinfinite
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4. "it's over because rittenhouse didn't break any laws"
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what we are seeing now is just drama for the television

  

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MEAT
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5. "lol"
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Wed Nov-10-21 12:49 PM by MEAT

  

          

I wonder who the first bozo here will be to seriously engage with this plea for attention

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7. "Yeah, this guy is an alias for LittleX"
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Dude caped for George Zimmerman during his trial as well.

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Sofian_Hadi
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8. "Lol. First time i've seen a *member since 2021*"
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Wed Nov-10-21 12:52 PM by Sofian_Hadi

          

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beeinfinite
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12. "what laws did he break?"
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MEAT
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13. "Dee’s Law"
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beeinfinite
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16. "looks like the prosecution rests its case"
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don't worry there will be something else to get overly emotional about

  

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156. "RE: Dee’s Law"
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I was waiting for him to bite.

Sometimes, giving up your dream isn't an option.

  

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31. "Illegal carry at least. "
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Not of age to carry the rifle he had.

Could be an exception for owners of said rifle, but- he didn't own the rifle either.

Also possibly carrying in a no carry zone depending on where he was.

Also, it's not legal there to use lethal force to protect property, which he said he was allegedly there to do.

All this is google-able so this is where I stop.

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beeinfinite
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39. "fair points"
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i guess we'll find out, but i thought hunting laws allowed him to carry legally

  

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44. "Serious question: are you simply a shit poster?"
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>i guess we'll find out, but i thought hunting laws allowed
>him to carry legally

Literally you are posting points from his defense attorneys that ONLY far right winged media *pretend* to believe.

As for the assertion;
1)He didn't live in the state.
2)He didn't have a hunting license.
3)He was hunting in town on the street.

Ooh, he WAS hunting - just for humans.

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Brew
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46. "LOL I said something similar today."
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>Ooh, he WAS hunting - just for humans.

You're supposed to be hunting animals, not humans.

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beeinfinite
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47. "there is no gray area in a court room"
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he will be tried according to the law

our opinions on what he was or wasn't doing will not have an impact on his case

are you surprised that his defense attorneys are going to use the law in any way they can to win the case for their client?

are you surprised that pro gun media is supporting rittenhouse? i'm not sure why you think that is relevant at all, and it will not be relevant to the legality of his actions

  

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10. "Wait....that's the prosecutor, not the defense attorney? Lol"
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He was all amped up like he was really saying something that was helping his case.

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11. "to clarify"
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the defense did not present their case yet
and were cross examining a witness offered by the prosecution

  

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15. "No. That was one of Rittenhouse's defense lawyers. "
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Ignore the dumb troll beeinfinite or whatever his name is

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6. "court of public opinion will fry him tho and the fake breakdown"
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is some bullshit lol..he wasnt crying after taking pics and wp signs etc

  

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14. "Zero tears. Looked @ jury and judge for reassurance that his BS was work..."
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Such a nazi piece of shit. I hope he's tortured when he walks free, at some point.

He won't be tho.

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9. "white walkers!!!"
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17. "educated guess from being on here too long, beeinfinite = Bartek"
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he had a weird infatuation with "P Infinite" (PlanetInfinite)

and he was a renowned troll

  

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20. "nope...Case or deejboram"
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>he had a weird infatuation with "P Infinite"
>(PlanetInfinite)
>
>and he was a renowned troll

  

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21. "LittleX"
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As I said above, he copped the same type of pleas for George Zimmerman.

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36. "i've never heard of LittleX"
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guess i missed out on that one

  

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37. "Case wouldn't cape for this kid"
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i mean i don't wanna keep being the caping for case guy but this ain't him lol

djboram is an interesting guess tho. i forgot about that bozo

  

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40. "Agreed. Case wouldn't go this far for a troll. "
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41. "how did you arrive at the conclusion"
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that i'm caping for rittenhouse by discussing legal details surrounding his trial?

y'all jump to conclusions like a mofo

he's going to walk because there is no legal case against him. love him or hate him, that's a cold hard fact you can't overlook, so why engage in fantasy because of feelings?

  

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42. "for the 'okp is so sensitive' guy"
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you sure are being sensitive

i'll revise it to Case wouldn't share your opinion on this matter

is that better?

  

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48. "lol come on"
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i asked you a straight question

find me a single post where i am caping for rittenhouse, i'll wait

  

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52. "lol even after i revised and you still wanna argue"
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55. "nah, but isn't that what y'all do here?"
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argue?

  

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56. "what would you like to happen in this exchange, beinfinite?"
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57. "everything that already has "
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43. "You're defending Colby Covington and Kyle Rittenhouse"
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https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2750143&mesg_id=2750143&page=#2750444

My bad. Not caping, or supporting.

But wow, you certainly seem to find yourself adjacent to these guys, talking about them in ways that minimize what they do, while asking people how they conclude that you support them.

Again, it's a tactic you use. You can't help it, because it's just who you are. I'm sure you're smart enough to switch it up, but your "true self" just keeps overriding things.

Next, you'll be telling us how your house was built as you sip fine scotch.

  

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49. "facts have nothing to do with feelings"
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so because i'm focusing solely on the legality, and not openly calling for his head, i'm adjacent? adjacent to what exactly?

  

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51. "yeh..deejboram or little x (not familiar with x tho but knew he was a di..."
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>so because i'm focusing solely on the legality, and not
>openly calling for his head, i'm adjacent? adjacent to what
>exactly?

  

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151. "RE: facts have nothing to do with feelings"
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agree and tell that to white jurors

feeling scared of people of color and white BLM supporters
does not make those folks you are scared of actually dangerous or deserving of death

  

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45. "At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if it were bshelly."
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50. "nevermind, this fuckhead is DeadZombie"
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111. "Anyone know where Bartek was from?"
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checking IP addresses bc too many red flags here.

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112. "canadian"
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denny too. vaguely remember people accusing denny of being tek
don't think he was but it was out there for a minute

  

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113. "Bartek + PInfinite (his bro crush) = BeeInfinite? deep cuts"
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In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
-Hunter S. Thompson

  

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114. "u know we chop up these bitches"
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damn so yeah, def tek

  

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134. "i fukkin love u LOL"
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"I don't speak to provoke. I speak because I think our time on Earth is short and each moment that we are not our truest selves, each moment we say what we do not mean because we imagine that is what somebody what's us to say, then we are wasting our time

  

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137. "Oh shit. that's a good one."
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One thing that does keep me coming back to Bartek is the whole "I'm amused by this" tone.

That's right in brand.

But that name shit is something else. I had no idea about that history, but that makes sense. It's also creepy as fuck

  

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139. "do you remember Ike's 'yo p'infinite' video?"
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i think ?uest did one too

  

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148. "nah. what was that about"
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149. "don't remember the exact, but Tek had sent PI this mancrush inbox"
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i assume it was a time when tek was actively doing him, and plantinfinte was going hard at him on the boards.

PI blew up his spot and posted it. it opened with "Yo P'Infinite.."
why are you player hating, you know we chop up these bitches, we coud be so cool with each other on multiple levels, etc..

the post blew up and resulted in Ikemoses making a video of himself acting it out... then quest did a remix. ike took it off youtube eventually but its prolly still around somewhere.

'yo p'infinte' was meme on the boards for a long time, so beeinfinite is pretty obvious now thinking about it... but its been a long time. i didn't really think about it until it got broken down above. plus now he seems to have run way or got blocked.

  

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115. "y'all are wild with the witch hunt"
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even openly attempting to dox people

might wanna check the legality of that cause you're telling on yourself right now, lol

  

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116. "my apologies to denny. what up, Tek?"
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>might wanna check the legality of that cause you're telling on
>yourself right now, lol
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117. "some day y'all gotta tell me"
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what these cats did to y'all
color me curious, fill me in

  

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120. "yo, b'infinite"
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123. "sorry i don't get it mate"
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shrug, whoever these cats are, they must have been wilder than the rest of y'all and i find that hard to believe

  

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124. "cute."
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125. "i don't understand"
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from the day i arrived, i have been accused of being 4 to 6 different people and chastised for having my own opinions

i don't know y'all history with each other but i'm supposed to own it?

i haven't been nasty to anyone, but i admit i bring out the banter after being relentlessly attacked or name called

i don't want to insult anyone on this site, i have love for all people, maybe it's the way i convey my thoughts or something, i don't know. i have no ill will for anybody here

so what if i'm not a liberal or crypto investor, why does this matter to people at all?

  

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126. "i just look up IPs man not here to dance."
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128. "ok, i wish you the best of luck with that"
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118. "Where is the dox attempt?"
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18. "Rittenhouse will be a keynote speaker at the next RNC"
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Mark my words.

  

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22. "^"
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Rjcc is code for "bitch-ass troll"

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23. "absolutely"
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25. "Yep. This is one of the big problems with cases like this"
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When these people get off, it galvanizes the right. It further energizes and emboldens them.

  

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54. "Have you seen what's going on in the Charlottesville trial right now?"
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Absolutely wild. I didn't even realize some of these court proceedings got live internet broadcasts these days.


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“I’m hesitant to name them,” Willis told Christopher Cantwell — a neo-Nazi defendant who is serving a prison sentence for extortion and threat charges from a separate case. “Some of them live here.”

Judge Norman K. Moon told Willis he had to answer the question.

Within minutes, the names of Willis’s friends, and photos of at least one of their faces, spread to far-right chatrooms where extremist supporters were following the trial. The chatroom was led by another defendant, who was also live-tweeting this information.

“Cantwell needs to keep drilling down for more names,” one user wrote in the chat the afternoon Willis testified.

The brazen display of doxing — or publicly uncovering personal information about a private individual — revealed the ways that white supremacists are weaponizing this federal civil trial about the deadly 2017 Unite the Right rally weekend into a spiteful stage.

Some of the defendants have been ousted from social media such as Facebook and the dating site OkCupid, but in this courtroom, they’ve found a new platform to amplify their racist views, put on performances they boast about on podcasts, radio shows and in live during-the-trial chats, and to attack their opponents.

“This is kind of unprecedented in terms of real-time doxing that the defendants are able to facilitate in the middle of a court proceeding,” said Oren Segal, the vice president of the Center on Extremism at the Anti-Defamation League. “All of them understand that in some ways, the performance that they put on over the next month is going to sort of set themselves up for whether or not they still have whatever following they will have.”




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19. "Judge is part of the defense."
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https://twitter.com/StacyStClair/status/1458487189298368514?s=20

At this point a mistrial would be preferable. Get a new judge.

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24. "He's going to get "
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the Congressional Medal of Honor in a couple years...


Can Prosecution call for mistrial and try again? This is insane.


  

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26. "I will never understand open carry states"
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so the law on a 17 year old walking the streets with an AR-15...i don't know the legality of it but that shit is crazy.

Watching the video though, looked like self defense (at least by law) to me and he's saying all the 'right' things on the stand...sounds like a cop.

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28. "My issue is that he put himself in that situation"
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Just like Zimmerman, he inserted himself into a situation where he could potentially be in danger.

This is why the prosecutor's line of questioning- which got shot down by the judge- about his prior comments about wishing he were there with his gun so he could shoot people damaging property. Because it establishes his entire motive for going there, with the gun, to begin with.

It would make at least small amount of sense were it his community or property.

But he went across state lines to do this.

And he got exactly what he was looking for IMO, which likely includes exoneration at this point.

  

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29. "Fair points"
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Apparently the judge ruled this was inadmissible. Not sure why...i just started tuning in. But once he rules its out, prosecution wilding by bringing it up.

>This is why the prosecutor's line of questioning- which got shot down by the judge- about his prior comments about wishing he were there with his gun so he could shoot people damaging property. Because it establishes his entire motive for going there, with the gun, to begin with.

Agree 100% about him inserting himself into the situation, i just don't know if that makes any of his actions illegal.

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30. "I don't know the legality of it being indamissable"
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But that detail is pretty damn significant IMO.

We have cases where rappers have had rap lyrics used against them. I don't know if there's a state law issue there that allowed that, and not this, but that's glaring IMO.

If someone saying "I wish I were there with my gun so I can shoot people"- paraphrased- on social media, and then... going there with there gun and shooting people isn't enough of an illustration that this was the intent all along to be admitted as evidence, I'm at a loss for words.

Moreover, I don't see how you can insert yourself into a hostile situation in the manner he did, especially after saying that shit publicly, and actively putting yourself into a situation you would likely have to defend yourself, thereby creating that situation, and then claim self defense.

  

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33. "yep i'm with you."
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27. "Prosecutor and judge about to square up "
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32. "seems like this little punk is gonna get off. his defense..."
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asked for a mistrial and this dumb ass judge is considering it.

and i follow a bunch of really smart legal people and apparently EVERYTHING he's yelling at the prosecution about is perfectly acceptable.

and, if the mistrial is granted, rittenhouse can't be retried from what i'm seeing.

so, is there such thing as a FALSE mistrial? like, if it's granted, but the prosecution hasn't done anything mistrial-worthy (which is what these smart legal minds are saying), can he be retried because a mistrial shouldn't have been granted?

whatever the case, this shit is fucked up. sadly, i saw the video. he EXECUTED a man. it was not self defense.

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34. "Is that specific to WI ? I thought mistrial meant you could be retried."
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>asked for a mistrial and this dumb ass judge is considering
>it.
>
>and i follow a bunch of really smart legal people and
>apparently EVERYTHING he's yelling at the prosecution about is
>perfectly acceptable.
>
>and, if the mistrial is granted, rittenhouse can't be retried
>from what i'm seeing.
>
>so, is there such thing as a FALSE mistrial? like, if it's
>granted, but the prosecution hasn't done anything
>mistrial-worthy (which is what these smart legal minds are
>saying), can he be retried because a mistrial shouldn't have
>been granted?
>
>whatever the case, this shit is fucked up. sadly, i saw the
>video. he EXECUTED a man. it was not self defense.

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38. "Nvm - just saw that the defense is going for mistrial "with prejudice""
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35. "Made the mistake of watching 10 mins..."
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If we get into a debate about the prosecution zooming in on a video already put in as an exhibit then the Judge is nutso.... he old, but he's biased against the prosecutions case.

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53. "defense asking for a mistrial"
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https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2021/11/10/kyle-rittenhouse-testifies-kenosha-shooting-trial/

ENOSHA, Wis. (CBS) — Kyle Rittenhouse’s defense attorneys asked the judge to declare a mistrial on Wednesday, accusing prosecutors of asking improper questions of Rittenhouse while he was testifying in his own defense.

The defense accused prosecutors of intentionally trying to provoke a mistrial to avoid an acquittal, because the case is going badly for them, and they want to start over. Instead, the defense is seeking a mistrial “with prejudice,” meaning prosecutors would be barred from trying Rittenhouse a second time.

Judge Bruce Schroeder did not immediately rule on the defense’s request, saying he would give the prosecution a chance to respond.

At issue were questions prosecutors asked Rittenhouse about his silence after his arrest, and the propriety of using deadly force to protect private property.

Earlier, Schroeder had warned assistant district attorney Thomas Binger he was on the verge of using Rittenhouse’s decision not to answer police questions against him at trial, noting Rittenhouse had the right to remain silent even after turning himself in to police.

But Binger insisted he was not planning going to question Rittenhouse about his refusal to speak to police, but only about his decision to talk to some media outlets after the shooting.

“His voluntary discussion to speak to the media has nothing to do with the Fifth Amendment. That is his own decision, and if he is going to pick and choose what he wants to talk about in those voluntary interviews with the media, then I think that’s fair game. It doesn’t implicate his Miranda rights, it doesn’t implicate the Fifth Amendment,” Binger said.

As for questions about whether Rittenhouse believed he could use deadly force to protect property, Binger said he was making a “good faith effort” to question Rittenhouse about an issue the judge had previously barred, and said he didn’t mean to violate an order banning questions about whether Rittenhouse would shoot someone simply for damaging property, but a clearly furious Schroeder said, “I don’t believe you.”

“There better not be another incident,” Schroeder said. “When you say you were acting on good faith, I don’t believe you.”

Schroeder said he would give prosecutors time to formally respond to the defense’s bid for a mistrial before issuing a ruling.

Meantime, prosecutors resumed their cross-examination of Rittenhouse.

After more than a week of listening to testimony at his trial over shooting three people during the civil unrest in Kenosha, Wisconsin, last year, Rittenhouse took the stand in his own defense on Wednesday, telling jurors “I didn’t do anything wrong. I defended myself.”

Rittenhouse is on trial on charges of killing Joseph Rosenbaum and Anthony Huber and wounding Gaige Grosskreutz during unrest that erupted in the summer of 2020 over the shooting of Jacob Blake, a Black man, by a white Kenosha police officer.

Prosecutors have spent the past week trying to paint Rittenhouse as a reckless teenage vigilante who inserted himself in a situation where he didn’t belong and tried to act like a police officer when he wasn’t, as the defense has countered that Rittenhouse, then 17, was acting in self-defense when he shot Rosenbaum, Huber, and Grosskreutz.

Rittenhouse, now 18, was on the stand for six hours Wednesday. He testified Rosenbaum threatened to kill him twice while Rittenhouse was trying to protect a used car lot in Kenosha during the protests.

“The person that attacked me first threatened to kill me twice,” Rittenhouse said. “He screamed, if I catch any of you f***ers alone, I’m going to f***ing kill you.”


“He was walking with a steel chain, and he had a blue mask around his face. He was just mad about something,” Rittenhouse added.

Rittenhouse also said he saw Rosenbaum lighting property on fire that night.

Rittenhouse testified that his friend, Dominick Black, called him later that night while Rittenhouse was at a gas station, asking him to return to the Car Source lot to help put out fires.

On the way to the Car Source lot, he came across Rosenbaum again.

“I didn’t notice Mr. Rosenbaum until he came out from behind the car and ambushed me,” he said.

Rittenhouse broke down crying as he began to describe his deadly encounter with Rosenbaum.

“Mr. Rosenbaum was now running from my right side, and I was cornered,” he said, beginning to sob and hyperventilate, prompting the judge to call for a 10-minute break.

Rittenhouse’s mother, Wendy, was also emotional in court.

After returning to the witness stand, Rittenhouse had regained his composure, and continued to describe his encounter with Rosenbaum.

Rittenhouse said Rosenbaum started to chase him, so he started running towards the Car Source lot.

He also said he heard another person with Rosenbaum shout “get him and kill him.”

Rittenhouse testified he heard a gunshot behind him as Rosenbaum was catching up to him.

“I remember his hand on the barrel of my gun,” Rittenhouse said, adding he shot Rosenbaum four times as Rosenbaum lunged at him.

Asked why he didn’t just keep running, Rittenhouse said “there was no space for me to continue to run to.”


Under cross-examination from prosecutors, Rittenhouse acknowledged Rosenbaum was not armed, and never touched him, but said, “he touched my gun.”

Noting that Rittenhouse had a strap on his rifle, securing it to his body, Binger asked what risk Rosenbaum posed to prompt the shooting.

“If he would have taken my gun, he would have used it against me,” Rittenhouse said. “I never wanted to shoot Mr. Rosenbaum. He was chasing me. I was alone. He threatened to kill me earlier. I didn’t want to have to shoot him.”

Rittenhouse testified, after shooting Rosenbaum, he went to see if he could help him, but someone else already was performing first aid.

“I was in shock, sort of,” Rittenhouse said.

Pressed by prosecutors why he didn’t stay to help Rosenbaum, he said a crowd came after him.

“I would have stayed, and did everything I could,” he said.

He said people in the “mob” were saying, “Cranium him, get him, kill him.”

He said he then called a friend to tell him he had shot someone, and decided to leave the scene to turn himself in to police.

“I didn’t do anything wrong,” he said. “I defended myself.”

Asked by prosecutors why he called a friend rather than police, Rittenhouse said his friend Dominick Black was the first number on his phone.

“And that was quicker than three digits: 9-1-1?” Binger asked.

'Shut The F*** Up': A Wicker Park Woman Robbed At Gunpoint Tells Her Harrowing Tale
“I don’t know” Rittenhouse said.

Rittenhouse said, as he was running down Sheridan Road in Kenosha, Huber approached him holding a skateboard “like a baseball bat” and hit him twice, knocking him to the ground.

He said another person, who he claimed was never identified, kicked him in the face, so he fired two shots at him.

“He would have stomped my face in if I didn’t fire,” Rittenhouse said.

Rittenhouse testified Huber then hit him again with his skateboard, so he shot Huber, and then lowered his weapon.

He said that’s when Grosskreutz lunged at him “with his pistol pointed directly at my head.”

Rittenhouse said Grosskreutz was close enough to him that their feet were touching.

“His pistol is in his hand, and then Mr. Grosskreutz looks at me, and that’s when Mr. Grosskreutz brings his arm down,” he testified. “His pistol is pointed at me, and I shoot him … once.”

Prosecutors repeatedly asked Rittenhouse if he knowingly used deadly force when he shot each of the victims, and Rittenhouse repeatedly said he didn’t want to kill anyone.

“Did you even care whether you killed him or not?” Binger asked.

“I didn’t want to kill anybody,” Rittenhouse said.

Binger also asked Rittenhouse to explain why Grosskreutz was more of a threat to him than he was to Grosskreutz.

“At this point he does not have his gun pointed at you, but you have your gun pointed at him,” Binger asked. “Why is Gaige Grosskreutz a threat to kill you with a handgun in his hand, but you with an AR-15 in his hand are not a threat to him?”

“I’ve been attacked by several people, and he decided to come and point a gun at my head,” Rittenhouse said. “He was moving at me with a gun in his hand.”

Rittenhouse testified, after shooting Grosskreutz, he no longer saw him as a threat at that point, and another person who was there put his hands up and backed away, so he put his gun down, and continued walking toward nearby police officers to turn himself in.

“I put my hands up, and as I’m walking towards the police, I can’t really hear anything,” he said. “I remember I occasionally moved to put my rifle behind me … so the police didn’t see me as a threat.”

Rittenhouse said he approached a police car to tell officers he’d just shot someone, but an officer told him “get the f*** back, or you’re going to get pepper-sprayed. Go home. Go home. Go home.”

So Rittenhouse went back to the Car Source lot, where someone let him inside.

“I’m in shock, I don’t really remember what was happening in there,” he said. “I was freaking out.”

Rittenhouse said, because the Kenosha police station was blocked off by barricades, he decided to go home to Antioch, and then he and his mother went to the Antioch police station so he could turn himself in.

He said he was allowed to wait in the police station without being handcuffed until two detectives came to question him.

“I was vomiting and having panic attacks,” he said.

During cross-examination, prosecutors repeatedly asked Rittenhouse if he intentionally used deadly force, and was trying to kill the people he shot

“I didn’t intend to kill them. I intended to stop the people who were attacking me. I did what I had to do to stop them from attacking me,” Rittenhouse testified.

As he was questioning Rittenhouse, Binger suggested that Rittenhouse was tailoring his testimony on the witness stand only after watching videos of the shootings and listening to testimony of other witnesses, prompting an objection from Rittenhouse’s defense team.

The judge warned Binger he was on the verge of using Rittenhouse’s decision not to answer police questions against him at trial, noting Rittenhouse had the right to remain silent even after turning himself in to police.

“This is a grave constitutional violation for you to talk about the defendant’s right to silence – you are right on the borderline and you might be over, but this has got to stop,” he said.

Binger also repeatedly asked Rittenhouse if he agreed he isn’t allowed to use deadly force to protect property.

“I wasn’t using deadly force to protect the property. I was using deadly force to protect myself,” Rittenhouse testified.

“But yet you have previously indicated that you wished you had your AR-15 to protect someone else’s property, correct?” Binger asked, prompting an objection from Rittenhouse’s attorneys.

After the judge sent the jury out of the courtroom, Binger said he was seeking to introduce evidence of a video from Aug. 10, 2020, in which Rittenhouse said he wished he had a rifle to shoot people he believed were shoplifting.

Judge Bruce Schroeder had previously ruled prosecutors could not show that video at trial, but Binger said he believed Rittenhouse’s testimony opened the door to present that evidence to the jury, prompting an furious response from Schroeder.

The judge said, at a minimum, Binger should have asked him to reconsider his ruling on that video before questioning Rittenhouse about it. He said nothing Rittenhouse said on the stand has made that video relevant to his actions on the night of the shootings.

“There’s nothing in your case that suggests the defendant was lying in wait to shoot somebody,” Schroeder said, saying the shootings that night were instead “instantaneous actions” that bore no similarity to his comments about wanting to shoot shoplifters.

Defense attorneys said they believed Binger was trying to provoke a mistrial, and told the judge if Binger crossed the line again, they would demand a mistrial “with prejudice,” meaning prosecutors could not try Rittenhouse a second time.

Rittenhouse earlier testified that he went to Kenosha on Aug. 25, 2020, after seeing videos online of the widespread unrest in Kenosha prompted by the police shooting of Jacob Blake.

“I saw videos on social media, on Facebook live streams, TikTok. I saw the CarSource being burned down,” he said. “I saw a police officer get assaulted. He had a brick thrown at his head.”


Rittenhouse said he spent part of the morning of the shootings cleaning up graffiti at a local high school.

He also described how he and a friend, Dominick Black spoke to the owners of a used car lot they guarded later that night. He said the owner of the Car Source lot gave him permission to be there, and that they were thankful the armed group was there to protect the property.

Rittenhouse, who said he was a firefighter/EMT cadet, said he bought two rifle slings that night, so he could easily treat people without having to put down his gun.

He said he also brought a bulletproof vest, which he said was given to him by the Grayslake Police Department, but gave it to a friend after arriving in Kenosha.

Rittenhouse said he helped administer first aid to a woman who injured her ankle, and a man who got sick from a homemade “chemical bomb” that had been tossed near the car lot.

He said he was trained in first aid, and although he told some people that night he was a certified EMT, Rittenhouse acknowledged he is not.

As testimony wrapped up late Wednesday, Judge Schroeder said the trial could wrap up early next week.

  

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58. "mistrial due to prejudice, which means there won't be a retrial"
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59. "to those who think the judge is being impartial"
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the prosecutor went into a line of questioning that had already been ruled as inadmissible in court before the trial started. the prosecutor was aware of this and did it anyway, hence, the scolding.

the prosecutor also made a 5th amendment violation by questioning rittenhouse's right to silence.

these are 2 major indiscretions, and points to the fact that the prosecutor is actively trying to get a mistrial, which would mean there would be a retrial where they could try again, however, the judge is considering mistrial due to prejudice, where there would be no retrial.

the prosecutor knows the case is lost and is doing shady shit to try to salvage.

  

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60. "LOL would you go back to 4chan please ?"
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No one fucking wants you here.

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61. "those are the facts"
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I'm sorry they make you so angry.

  

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64. "Who's angry ? I just said nobody wants you here."
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Those are the facts.

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67. "thanks for your warm welcome"
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62. "dude trolling hard af."
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63. "imagine being accused of trolling by stating straight verifiable facts"
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y'all are wild af

  

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65. "according to con law profs, the defendants 5th rights weren't violated."
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but hey, what do i know?

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68. "source?"
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the prosecutor accused rittenhouse of holding his silence until it could be tailored for the trial, which is why he was accused of violating his 5th amendment

  

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69. "I dont know the history of this poster "
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But he's making valid points. Of course, you can disagree with certain points (ie that the prosecutor violated rittenhouse's 5th amendment rights), but they are certainly valid points.

How about someone actually verbalize what they are disagreeing with rather than just attack the poster for an unpopular perspective? Which by the way, he actually seems to be pretty unbiased.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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71. "Stop. Several people have presented facts"
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And he dismisses anything he doesn’t agree with as
emotions.

Just a few posts above he was presented with a
rebuttal to his bullshit 5th Amendment argument.

Dude is not engaging in facts or good faith debate.

He is trolling and thinks he’s clever to present some
horse shit “objective” persona.

Doesn’t take a genius to figure out someone didnt
just discover OkayPlayer in 2021 and coincidentally
has bullshit views that are pretty similar to previous
clowns.

“OkayPlayer isn’t very welcoming” bitch why are you
here then?

FOH

Dude is this close to typing “cancel culture”

There’s got to be a Joe Rogan forum that would
embrace this guy’s super clever, definitely sincere,
and not at all transparent “objectivity”

As far as this case? This little fuck crossed
state lines with a weapon he shouldn’t have
to “protect” a neighborhood he didn’t live in,
hung out with proud boys, threw up white
power signs, and murdered humans.

And the judge has been clearly biased.

From jump.


Anyone trying to find nuance in that can get
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72. "Sure but understand the rebuttal doesnt disprove"
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What he's presented.

>Just a few posts above he was presented with a
rebuttal to his bullshit 5th Amendment argument

One argument isnt more valid than the others per se. Ultimately the judge will decide whether it would result in a mistrial (i doubt it) but to call it a bs 5th amendment argument isnot understanding the law.

A lawyer cannot insinuate and question a defendant in regards to whether he's 'told his story' or not. Thats an obvious violation.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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75. "You’re sure cherry picking things"
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To defend this totally new, clever, and sincere
poster.

Weird.

  

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76. "you could just point out what i ignored and ill address it"
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78. "What am i cherry picking?"
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Im talking about the case and the points made by the poster. I know nothing about the poster and am just talking about the validity of his points.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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80. "Here's the problem: he's terrible at hiding his lack of objectivity"
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two of his early posts in here say it all

"what we are seeing now is just drama for the television"

"don't worry there will be something else to get overly emotional about"

He says things that say other things, without actually saying those thing

He feigns this "the law is blind" objectivity in some posts. In others, he clearly minimizes the notion of having a trial at all.

When people bring up valid issues with some of the facts about Rittenhouse, he responds with things like:

"our opinions on what he was or wasn't doing will not have an impact on his case

are you surprised that his defense attorneys are going to use the law in any way they can to win the case for their client?"

That was his response to handle pointing out some of the most problematica facts about this case.

You and I had a discussion earlier, along those same lines, about one of the more glaring pieces of evidence being ruled inadmissible.

But lenny over here is on that "there is nongray area in a courtroom!" steeze.

No shit, our opinions on this do not impact the case. We ALL know that. It's been noted that he'll likely walk- and nobody is disagreeing that this is the likely outcome.

The law can let guilty people go free, even as it sends people who are either innocent, or have a strong case for reasonable doubt, depending on what is or isn't allowed.

Lenny's feigned "blind justice" tact wouldn't generate the replies it has, were he not actively undermining that tact with other comments that clearly demonstrate a less than objective stance.

It would also fly better if he weren't also, at the same damn time, defending colby covington over in OKS.

or if he didn't have other posts in his two-week OKP stint with similar Roganite talking points.

all this to say, he's not saying these thjngs in a vacuum. were he speaking from a strict legal analysis standpoint, and not with snarky barbs about how the law doesn't give a shit about your opinions, you wouldn't see these sorts of replies to it.

  

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84. "All of this, but also ..."
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... the fact that he's ignoring the larger issues that exist within the "blind" justice system that the rest of us have been very clearly referencing or alluding to.

I think most of us are pretty well aware of the fact that the judge decides what evidence is allowed and not allowed, and that the prosecution may have stepped over a line in this instance.

The question being posed is why certain evidence was disallowed, if it, for example, clearly helps to illustrate a motive (which is huge in murder cases), or something else.

Yes - the judge disallowed that evidence, and the prosecution then alluded to it. But does that make it right ?

Add that on top of all the other questionable and shady actions from this judge and it's just another trial in ameriKKKa.

TLDR; these cases aren't black and white (no pun intended but ...) like this troll clown keeps saying they are. Context matters. The judge is still human and appears to very likely be a MAGA nazi.

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91. "that's only because your perception was fabricated and given to you"
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>The judge is still human and appears to very likely be a MAGA nazi.

you don't know the first thing about the legal specifics of this case, so clearly, you're going to throw rocks. you could remedy all of that with some ambition to learn.

  

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93. "LOLOLOLOLOLOL get a load of objective guy !"
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So the judge is infallible ? Is that your point here ? That he can't possibly be biased ?

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94. "he hasn't shown any bias at all"
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if you see bias it's because of basic ignorance
the prosecutor broke the rules, and that's why he was scolded
in your eyes he's bias because he's "coming down on the prosecution and joining the defense", but to anyone with any ambition to experience reality, it was the right thing to do that any judge would have done

  

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95. "Mr. Objective can't even stay on topic."
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>if you see bias it's because of basic ignorance
>the prosecutor broke the rules, and that's why he was scolded
>in your eyes he's bias because he's "coming down on the
>prosecution and joining the defense", but to anyone with any
>ambition to experience reality, it was the right thing to do
>that any judge would have done

You dodged my entire point.

But anyway you did answer my question - the judge is perfect. Got it.

Like I said, nobody wants you here.

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96. "theorizing about whether or not the judge *could* be bias is irrelevant"
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Thu Nov-11-21 03:29 PM by beeinfinite

          

all we have to examine is what occurs in reality, and not in your skewed fantasy and thriving ignorance

therefore, you had no point, only feelings.

btw, telling me that nobody wants me here reminds me of what kids say to each other on the playground, how old are you?

  

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98. "I examined what happened in reality. You just didn't address it."
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Hence, bias. And it's OK. We're all human and biased. Even if you refuse to believe it and think that you and judges are balanced and wholly unbiased.

I'm old enough to tell you that nobody wants you here.

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101. "no you didn't"
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>So the judge is infallible ? Is that your point here ? That he can't possibly be biased ?

once again, musing about the judge as an individual is irrelevant as his actions and words lay the foundation for the reality we can examine.

i'm sorry the world doesn't embrace the fantasy you concoct with your skewed ignorance.

>I'm old enough to tell you that nobody wants you here.

that's right you're a big boy, you can go potty on your own too can't ya lil fella?

  

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102. "The judge makes crucial decisions about what can be presented to a jury."
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>once again, musing about the judge as an individual is
>irrelevant as his actions and words lay the foundation for the
>reality we can examine.

So musing about the judge as an individual and what his biases may or may not be, based on those very decisions, is very relevant. Sorry that you're apparently not able to see past the "justice is blind !" / "judges just call balls and strikes !" narrative that's been constructed for you.


>i'm sorry the world doesn't embrace the fantasy you concoct
>with your skewed ignorance.

Sounds like you should be looking in the mirror in that regard. I mean you literally said "there is no grey area in a court room" which is just a hilarious lie.


>that's right you're a big boy, you can go potty on your own
>too can't ya lil fella?

You must be very lonely.

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105. "it's clear you don't understand law at all"
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>So musing about the judge as an individual and what his biases
>may or may not be, based on those very decisions, is very
>relevant.
>

wrong. the judge is not on trial, rittenhouse is. the judge acts as a mediator of law. and the judge has not shown any bias toward either party to indicate that he is not capable of his job.


>You must be very lonely.

not as lonely as you. only lonely & hurt people go out of their way to attack strangers on the internet over a difference of opinion, but, you already know this because you have to live with yourself.

  

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107. "Again, you are speaking to yourself."
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>wrong. the judge is not on trial, rittenhouse is. the judge
>acts as a mediator of law. and the judge has not shown any
>bias toward either party to indicate that he is not capable of
>his job.

LOL. That's adorable.

Judges are perfect. Never question their judgement on anything.


>not as lonely as you. only lonely & hurt people go out of
>their way to attack strangers on the internet over a
>difference of opinion, but, you already know this because you
>have to live with yourself.

I kNoW yOu ArE bUt WhAt Am I ?!?!?

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108. "i'm speaking to you"
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>LOL. That's adorable.
>
>Judges are perfect. Never question their judgement on
>anything.

the world doesn't work like it does in your fantasy. a judge only opens themselves up to judgement or criticism if they violate the principles of law they are chosen to uphold. this judge has done none of that, therefore, your fantasy is irrelevant.

  

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109. "You're very stupid."
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Good luck out there.

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110. "and you are everything you have shown yourself to be"
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i'll let you decide what that is, but, we both already know don't we?

  

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85. "I mean, his legal analysis is on point from my perspective"
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What his agenda is or what he's said in other posts...i cant comment on and dont even care reallly

But the legal points def appear objective to me 🤷🏽‍♂️

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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99. "I'm specifically addressimg why he's gotten the reaction he's gotten"
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and it's because those moments of seeming objectivity are undermined by moments where it's clear that he's anything but.

if you don't care about the sum totality of his presence here, cool.

but look at your response:

"How about someone actually verbalize what they are disagreeing with rather than just attack the poster for an unpopular perspective? Which by the way, he actually seems to be pretty unbiased."

I addressed that. There is plenty of context behind why he's getting the responses he's getting.

What you're essentially asking is, why are we looking at the sum total of his views on the matter. It doesn't wotk like that. His comments do not exist in a vacuum. He's speaking out of both sides, and while you may be cool with ignoring both sides, you really have no ground to take anyone to task for payimg to attention to the sum of his words.

  

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119. "Since my 1st post, I understand now why he's getting"
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The responses he's getting.

The stuff that i read in this post,I can understand what he saying though

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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121. "explain it to me"
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Thu Nov-11-21 05:57 PM by beeinfinite

          

i've been attacked by people for simply having an opinion, name called, etc etc.

you seem like a reasonable person, so please tell me what it is i'm doing that's setting people off

it seems to me like if i'm not taking part in group think, i'm public enemy no.1 for whatever reason

  

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130. "Comments youve made in other posts"
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I didnt check them, its whatever to me. Im in this post to talk about the case.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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133. "i still don't get it"
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>I didnt check them, its whatever to me. Im in this post to
>talk about the case.

if you didn't check them i'm not sure how you can "understand" how people are responding to me. it's been more of the same as in here. i'm not a liberal and i guess that's where most of the contention comes from. people were losing their minds simply because i said libertarianism has good ideas. there isn't much room to operate without engaging in group think on this site.

  

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89. "way to take things completely out of context"
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to promote your fantasy and skewed perception of me. i couldn't even get through your entire essay. seriously, where do you find the time to write so much about a total stranger you've interacted with for 3 days? honestly, you should go into creative writing because all you do is spin tall tales.

  

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73. "can you please point to the facts im ignoring?"
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most of the responses i've received are just pure vitriol.

  

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74. "lol.. are you Black? "
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not that it matters but I’m curious

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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79. "Yep"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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83. "Unbiased?"
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Same dude exalting the virtues of liberatiansim?
Same dude who thinks the democrats are antifa radicals?
Same dude talking about how Joe Rogan is right about CNN?

Ain't nobody "unbiased."

And this dude's biases are... that.


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88. "i love how you wrote "unbiased?" in your subject"
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and then went on to completely distort anything i said into lies with 100% bias against me

>Same dude exalting the virtues of liberatiansim?

what? i said libertarianism was a good idea on paper but that it would never work. please point out where i was exalting the virtues.

>Same dude who thinks the democrats are antifa radicals?

what? i said both parties let in radicals. i never once mentioned antifa. please point out where i mentioned antifa.

>Same dude talking about how Joe Rogan is right about CNN?

ugh.
cnn reported that joe rogan ingested horse dewormer.
joe rogan invited sanjay gupta onto his show and confronted him about cnn's reporting, gupta agreed with rogan that it was wrong for cnn to report that he took horse dewormer when he didn't
therefore
joe rogan was right about cnn obscuring the facts to drive a narrative

go check it yourself.

>
>Ain't nobody "unbiased."

especially you.

>
>And this dude's biases are... that.

you presented nothing factual and offered only your skewed bias and lies. learn to face facts.

  

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97. "Lol if you could read..."
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Thu Nov-11-21 03:31 PM by Hitokiri

  

          

You would have seen that I specifically stated that no one is unbiased. That includes me. So you calling me biased means absolutely nothing.

>and then went on to completely distort anything i said into
>lies with 100% bias against me


Sure.


>>Same dude exalting the virtues of liberatiansim?
>
>what? i said libertarianism was a good idea on paper but that
>it would never work. please point out where i was exalting the
>virtues.


This you?
https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13446146&mesg_id=13446146&page=2#13446502




>>Same dude who thinks the democrats are antifa radicals?
>
>what? i said both parties let in radicals. i never once
>mentioned antifa. please point out where i mentioned antifa.



This you?
https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13446545&mesg_id=13446545&page=2#13447069




>>Same dude talking about how Joe Rogan is right about CNN?
>
>ugh.
>cnn reported that joe rogan ingested horse dewormer.
>joe rogan invited sanjay gupta onto his show and confronted
>him about cnn's reporting, gupta agreed with rogan that it was
>wrong for cnn to report that he took horse dewormer when he
>didn't
>therefore
>joe rogan was right about cnn obscuring the facts to drive a
>narrative

Okay Roganite. Mr anti-antifa, libertarianism is a wonderful idea.

>>Ain't nobody "unbiased."
>
>especially you.


Ummm... okay.




>>And this dude's biases are... that.
>
>you presented nothing factual and offered only your skewed
>bias and lies. learn to face facts.

See reply #60



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100. "RE: i love how you wrote "unbiased?" in your subject"
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>You would have seen that I specifically stated that no one is unbiased. That includes me. >So you calling me biased means absolutely nothing.

you could try to be honest though. truth is something you will never be able to cast aside with your cute and snide remarks. i'm sure you already know that when faced with the reality of your own life.

>This you?
>https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13446146&mesg_id=13446146&page=2#13446502

lol. don't see where i was "exalting the virtues" of liberatiansim. are you aware that it's possible to discuss philosophy and ideas without wearing them as part of your identity? as the link you provided shows, i stated that liberatiansim is impractical, however, it does not mean its ideas are somehow flawed. there is nothing liberatiansim promotes that is inherently evil or bad, it's simply naive and impractical because people cannot live without governance. i challenge you to find 1 thing outlined in the definition of liberatiansim that you don't think is a good idea.

go ahead:

Libertarianism (from French: libertaire, "libertarian"; from Latin: libertas, "freedom") is a political philosophy that upholds liberty as a core principle. Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and political freedom, emphasizing free association, freedom of choice, individualism and voluntary association.


>This you?
>https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13446545&mesg_id=13446545&page=2#13447069

thanks for reminding me. i did say that and i stand by it. if it wasn't relevant or true, why did biden himself address antifa during a debate? he didn't condemn them and called them an idea instead which is a cop out in order to shy away from outright alliance but not to denounce them as a violent group. how many times was trump asked to denounce people which he did? antifa is left wing and it played for biden. facts.

>Okay Roganite. Mr anti-antifa, libertarianism is a wonderful
>idea.
>

i'm not pro or anti anything. i like to discuss ideas. for some reason you think people need to shape their identify with them. i'm sorry words and ideas make you this uncomfortable.

>See reply #60

any negativity you toss out there, you only injure your own soul with. i'm sure you already know this too.

  

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104. "Lmao. You're a moron."
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Oh shit. My soul!

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106. "it's not a laughing matter."
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you can't fool me. people who produce good works and who are proud of their achievements don't attack strangers online due to a difference of opinion. can you honestly say you're proud of who you are when you're spending your time spreading negativity online?

  

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127. "Yes, yes i can."
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And you're still a fucking moron.

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129. "i'd insult you too"
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but, there really ain't no need, you know yourself already

peace man wish you well

  

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70. "https://i.imgur.com/evSj8Gl.jpg"
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81. "yooo this exactly mirrors something I told my boy earlier today nm"
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82. "it's still real to me dammit!"
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86. "No fucking doubt. Flashing the WS symbol too."
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77. "It's always fun to see how ad hoc our "legal protections" are"
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In a country that libertarian types like to nonsensically call "overly regulated", you end up with people making statements like this:

"Phil Turner, a Chicago-based defense attorney and former federal prosecutor, :

“You can never, never comment on the fact that the defendant did not say something,” Turner told The Associated Press. “He or she has a Fifth Amendment right not to incriminate themselves. You don’t go near it as a prosecutor. Never.”

Is there an actual LAW that you can't do this, or just a convention, like how the Senate Majority Leader can't prevent the President from selecting a SCOTUS judge, or the Vice President can't invalidate a fair election (until they eventually do).

Because as an explanation for why you can "never, never" do something, referring to the defendant's right not to self-incriminate is a non-sequitur. The question is, does he have a right not to have his exercise of his rights brought up in court, which is a separate question.

Loophole stochastic fascism...

  

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87. "What?"
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>The question is, does he have a right not to have his exercise of his rights brought up in court, which is a separate question

Yes he absolutely has that right. An attorney cannot allude to or ask about a defendant remaining silent at trial.

For example-lets say a defendant chooses not to testify during trial. A prosecutor cannot argue or imply anything with regard to the defendant choosing not to testify.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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90. "RE: What?"
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>>The question is, does he have a right not to have his
>exercise of his rights brought up in court, which is a
>separate question
>
>Yes he absolutely has that right. An attorney cannot allude to
>or ask about a defendant remaining silent at trial.
>
>For example-lets say a defendant chooses not to testify during
>trial. A prosecutor cannot argue or imply anything with regard
>to the defendant choosing not to testify.
>
>

But didn't the ADA just do that, in this case? What does it mean that the ADA "cannot (could not)" do that, that there will definitely be a mistrial? (I'm seeing legal experts say they don't expect there to be one, so I'm kinda presuming that there won't be any actual teeth to this supposed prohibition, which is my point).

*EDIT* Yo, this reminds me of that okp thread about Spades! I recall how some people thought that not playing a spade in your hand was cheating, while others considered it to be a part of the game ("if you get caught, there is a prescribed penalty, that means it's a valid move that is high risk, etc.").

If there isn't a mistrial in the Rittenhouse case, isn't bringing up a defendant's remaining silent just a high risk play, not something that is actually forbidden? I think we should have actual teeth on things you "cannot do"--the wiggle room on these matters is one of the things that enables unequal justice for the powerful...


  

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92. "Every violation doesnt equal mistrial"
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Furthermore a conviction could get overturned on appeal for something like that as well.


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103. "*High thought*"
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At trial, have attorneys present their cases to the jury via Zoom, with a tape delay. If attorneys make illegal or prejudicial remarks, cut to commercial. No more of this "ask for forgiveness instead of permission" stuff...

  

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122. "Lmao i thought this same thing at times"
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Lawyers ask questions knowing it will be objected to and stricken from the record to make a point to the jury..

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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131. "The Trumpster ringtone should be grounds for a mistrial"
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Not allowing questions about Shittenhouse's actions after the shooting
Not allowing zoom on a video already admitted into evidence
This judge should be removed from the trial and the bench.

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132. "RE: Not sure i've ever seen anything like this Judge in the Rittenhouse ..."
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My beef with the Rittenhouse trial is the normality of it all. I feel at the very least minorities watching the trial shouldn’t behave with shock. Yes. It’s cynical. But to still have the kind of faith in the justice system that when you see the perversion of it, that you still go along. That’s naive. Then on the other side of that coin, the white people that watch this and speak coldly to the cleverness of legality or whatever is also gross to me. In America as long as you cloak something in the law white people will discuss it like physics. Like its some immutable force that we’re all just forced to live by.

And I don’t know where to go from there. My heart says it should all burn to the ground. But to get any change people need to stop internally treating the the injustice towards human life that we’re all experiencing, the same way they treat the Astros vs the Braves.

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135. "I think the issue is conflation of two different conversations "
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Whether someone is/will be found guilty of aa crime being charged and whether someones actions are right/wrong/just/moral etc.

And it def aint a white/black thing

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136. "It's almost impossible to assert that race is not a factor"
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Our best science indicates that bias is present everywhere we have enough data to look.

Claiming zero bias is an extraordinary and extreme position.

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140. "I didnt say bias doesnt exist."
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Im talking specifically about the post im replying to regwrding how white people discuss things related to the law

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142. "OK, but "it def wasn't a white/black thing" is almost always wrong"
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on some level.

the honest assessment is to try to estimate how MUCH of a black/white thing it is. It's never zero.

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143. "his response still applies"
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To Meat's point- and, relative to a point I made earlier- in situations like this, white people will view a situation like this as though the law is the end-all of the discussion.

In a vaccuum, whether someone is/will be found guilty of aa crime being charged and whether someones actions are right/wrong/just/moral etc isn't a white/black thing.

But we don't live in a vacuum, and neither does this case.

The same white people who will applaud this verdict and use it as a shield to deflect from the truth of who Rittengouse is and what he represents, don't feel so bullish about the infallibility of a legal ruling if they're talking about OJ. Suddenly, the court becomes capable of massive failures and extreme bias.

What is what Tryp's point is saying. There's definite bias all along the chain. The degree of impact in a given situation is where it's open for discussion.

DennyTek's entire position on this subject is a shining example of Meat's point, IMO.

DennyTek atraight up said this was irrelevant, and just drama for TV.
DennyTek said Rittenhouse broke no laws.

He's echoing what is largely a white sentiments.

The fact that there are, very likely, Black and brown people who share that sentiment, doesn't change this fact. After all, one does not need to be white to support white supremacy, or white supremacist views.

Plenty of people, across all lines, think and vote against their own best interests. But those sympathetoc to Rittenhouse and his ilk, are all subscribing to white supremacist views, regardless of yhe color of their skin.

Contrary to it's oh-so-insightful points in thr matter, justice isn't blind. History is littered with people being convicted or let off, despite evidence to contrary.

The Judge's ringtone would have been a jarring indication of where his sympathies lie, had he not already made that clear. Instead, it just reinforced what was already apparent.

If Kyle gets off, you will see a flood of white, alt-right, roganite types shouting the victory from the rooftops, as though the legal ruling itself is unquestionable.

  

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145. "Im saying that whether he is guilty of a crime or"
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Whether he can be proven guilty based on the facts of law or whether is actions are morally correct are two different conversations. I know white and black people that can have both conversstions and white black people that cant seperate the two discussion as well.

Ive seen black people on this board argue "but he wasnt convicted orcharges were dropped' to defend a black person they support.

Does race and bias effect who people support in certain situations? Of course. Do i believe that only white people based ttheir thoughts on the letter of law compared to black people...no i dont think thats true.

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138. "wait.. if Rittenhouse was Black and shot someone on Jan 6th"
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you dont think this trial would be different or the judge would act differently?

This is def a Black and White thing.. because white kids usually get all the benefits of doubt in these instances.

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141. "No thats not what im saying"
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144. "white people understood that this happens"
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they did not think that it happens this blatantly when white people die

they thought there was an understanding

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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173. "that's because white ppl underestimate how much white ppl HATE white"
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ppl that stand in any degree of solidarity with Black or brown ppl.

white bol up in minnesota who murdered the nazi dude (or was it seattle?) was summarily executed by the cops. and all of these rule of law assed white people cheered that shit.

the three white dudes that were shot don't make this race neutral. their very presence was in opposition to white supremacy, which made them honorary nwurds in the eyes of the rwhite.

and anybody who fix their lips to say this shit is not racial... when Black victims are scrutinized and villainized (tamir rice, trayvon, ahmaud arbery, breonna taylor, michael brown... and this white boy gets treated like a COP, meaning the whole process is bent toward him.

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214. "yuuuuup"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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147. "The only law most white folks believe in is their manipulation"
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>In America as long
>as you cloak something in the law white people will discuss it
>like physics. Like its some immutable force that we’re all
>just forced to live by.








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146. "A judge should never make himself/herself the center of attention..."
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...during a trial, and that's what Schroeder has been doing at nearly every opportunity. He's lecturing the jury about Roman history and the Bible. He's screaming at the prosecutor. He's arguing against zooming in on a photo. He's asking the courtroom to give a round of applause to veteran's in the room. He's making likely racist jokes. He's not making his cell-phone silent. He's making a spectacle of himself and the trial is suffering.

By many accounts, this isn't abnormal behavior for Schroeder. Apparently it's not even abnormal behavior for judges in Kenosha. I read one quote where a defense attorney said there a number of judges worse. But if the little shithead gets off, he's going get a large portion of the blame.

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150. "This judge is basically an Arrested Development character"
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it's kinda crazy.

  

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152. "lmao nm"
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153. "I was thinking he was more like Colin Robinson"
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on What We Do In The Shadows. Energy Vampire. Pic: https://twitter.com/Herb_One/status/1458804363552559104

  

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154. "Nah Colin would bore you to death"
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the judge is an emotional vampire

  

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155. "The judge is INSANE. Just dropped weapons charges"
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He's literally finding every single way to bend the case in favor of the defense.

Literally doing EVERYTHING he can.

It's AMAZING.

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157. "There's no need for a defense team in this trial. "
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He has gone out of his way to undercut the prosecution and confuse the Jury.

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167. "Or maybe he was the following the law as written?"
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Have you read it?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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158. "Do defendants usually get to pick their own jurors out of a raffle??"
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That shit was so weird.

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159. "i googled that shit...never seen that before."
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160. "Wait - what happened ?!"
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162. "https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/581789-rittenhouse-picks-final-..."
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https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/581789-rittenhouse-picks-final-jurors-from-raffle-tumbler

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164. "one of those tweets said it was a long standing tradition"
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165. "Coupled with 1 black jury member out of 18....."
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Wonder why they do the random choices????

Sounds like the black juror was chosen as 1 of the 12 at least.

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161. "there's so much judicial misconduct in this trial so far."
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i mean, i listen to a lot of podcasts about wrongly convicted folks so i'm not unfamiliar, but this shit has been wild.

and, unlike those stories, this is misconduct to get the defendant OFF, not convicted.

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166. "Wrongfully Acquitted would be a good idea for a series"
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No network's legal department would probably touch it though.

  

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163. "I thought this was a joke. Or an exxageration."
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Because it sounds that outlandish.

And, well... wow.

  

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168. "Judge needs to be put in a pack as much as Kyle."
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Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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169. "Just referred to a past juror as "a black, the black""
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/kyle-rittenhouse-judge-bruce-schroeder-jury-b1959564.html?amp

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170. "Yes entire speech was deranged."
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https://twitter.com/katiephang/status/1461022345305501702?s=21

His speech about if the jury gets everything correct is deranged too. Dude has been openly campaigning for the defendant at every opportunity. Not even trying to appear impartial.

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171. "Why is he addressing the media from the bench?"
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Sounds like grounds for a mistrial
+1, his attempts at explaining his misconduct don't even make sense
The state is prosecuting Shittenhouse
The victims/complaining witnesses are dead, victims of homicide.
I couldn't even follow the tumbler explanation
...a black defendant picked the black juror... doesn't explain why the tumbler is being used

Optics, absolutely, this is about optics.

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172. "He's been making speeches the whole trial. "
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It's obvious dude is trying to set himself up for some sort of book or Fox News gig. He's literally made the entire trial about himself and his "thoughts" on things. And his stupid fucking phone continuously going off in court. If it was the prosecution he'd throw them out for the shit he's been doing. Its fucking crazy to witness.

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174. "In other news, this GA prosecutor been killing Travis mcmichael"
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175. "Yea it's a nice palate cleanser for this Rittenhouse shit. "
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176. "If yall are reall worried about the judges bias"
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Yall should be concerned wkth the 2 pending mistrial motions the judge hasnt ruled on, especially the prosecution withholding evidence.

I dont think the judge is bias, I think he's batshit crazy and is loving thr attention and I could see him doing some more wacky ass shit.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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177. "A mistrial wouldn't be a terrible thing. "
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If the prosecutors still persued and they got a new judge.


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179. "Can a mistrial be declared after a jury verdict?"
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Thats what worries me

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178. "Well, want to see something else like it? Judge rules jail would be"
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"inappropriate" for multiple rapist.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/18/nyregion/christopher-belter-rape-sentence.html?smid=tw-share


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180. "Saw this late nite. It's truly wild."
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181. "Now imagine the defendant was white - A Time To Kill"
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gasp from the crowd

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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182. "Verdict's in."
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183. "Not guilty all counts"
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184. "Not guilty on all counts"
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188. "Not surprised on all counts.. smh"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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185. "Heh"
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Arsonist ass country

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186. "I'm mad, but I'm not even mad, and that's a problem."
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This entire situation was a farce from the jump. I just don't have the energy for the outrage yet.

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187. "We live in Zardoz"
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The gun worship in this country has reached parody.

WHEN the Supreme Court rules that state laws can not stop you from carrying a weapon in public in the next six months we're going to see A LOT more murders like this one.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/20-843.html

And
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwZhKGgmoUI

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189. "Yea I've been reading a lot about this one. Scary as fuck."
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190. "whenever shit like this is going down, i think to Terminator 2..."
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which sounds silly at first, but sci fi can and has been so prescient.

when they are in the desert hiding out, and they are trying to fix and hotwire that truck/suv and John Connor looks at the Terminator and says "we're not gonna make it, are we?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF_4EWSuzQY

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192. "Damn. So true."
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193. "ya thats when i gotta leave ny"
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195. "There's also a Russian sci-fi series called Metro that I think about"
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I've never read the books or play the games but I'm aware of the detail that in that world money has lost all meaning in the global economy and all transactions are made over ammunition. In the game that manifests as if you choose to get essential materials for your character you might not be able to defend yourself out in the world, so you're just constantly thinking about how many bullets you have and what kind of bullets they are, the ammo is as essential as water.


And if you squint, you can kinda see it coming in 40 or 50 years (the novels start in 2033).


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197. "Ha goddamn."
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>I've never read the books or play the games but I'm aware of
>the detail that in that world money has lost all meaning in
>the global economy and all transactions are made over
>ammunition. In the game that manifests as if you choose to get
>essential materials for your character you might not be able
>to defend yourself out in the world, so you're just constantly
>thinking about how many bullets you have and what kind of
>bullets they are, the ammo is as essential as water.
>
>
>And if you squint, you can kinda see it coming in 40 or 50
>years (the novels start in 2033).

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191. "Grotesque bias from this judge."
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While the prosecution definitely had a high burden of proof to establish guilt for the homicide charges (particularly in the context of Wisconsin law re: self-defense) - the one charge that was undeniable was the weapons possession charge - which this judge threw out based on a ridiculous technicality. How many Black young men were found guilty and sentenced for this same exact crime? Too many to count. Disparate impact AF.

Disparity in our criminal justice system persists - and sadly - this judge is not an anomaly. The question that many are rightly asking is: would this judge coddle a Black or Brown defendant in similar fashion? Would the jury give such wide-sweeping deference/benefit of the doubt to the defendant's claims of self-defense were he a Black man like say, Jacob Blake?

We all know the answer to that.

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194. "many people get off on ridiculous technicalities....black and white"
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Did this judge do something improper in this case because of tossing the charge...no. Has he acted differently in other cases under the similar situations when the defendant is a different race??? its quite possible.

But he followed the law here. hopefully they correct the dumb ass law like they did the citizen's arrest one in Ga.

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196. "Of course - and they do need to amend this statute "
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but this particular reading of the statute essentially renders it moot and devoid of any sense. Interpreting the statute as the judge has basically means that if Kyle was wielding nunchucks instead of an assault rifle, the charge would've stood (because of the confusing short-barrel language of the statute).

The judge knows his interpretation swallows the statute whole and makes it useless.

So no - it wasn't technically incorrect for the judge to read the statute the way he did, but it was awfully convenient for the defendant, whom the judge clearly has affinity for.

  

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198. "You cant blame a judge for following the law on the books"
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He allows that charge and any conviction would get thrown out on appeal. Saying the judge is bias is a lazy out when he followed the law as written.

Blame tbe idiots that allowed that law to stay on the books as written. I mean its fucking georgia, they may 'correct' the law by removing the entire statute completely.

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199. "If you don't think this judge exhibited clear bias, idk what to tell you"
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>He allows that charge and any conviction would get thrown out
>on appeal.

Rittenhouse was charged with the minor possession offense, so the charge had already occurred. It wasn't until the defense objected on the technicality that the charge was thrown out - so the judge would've allowed the charge to go through w/ out that objection on technicality.

Writ large in our jurisprudence is the balancing of both the letter of the law and the spirit of the law - as the old idiomatic antithesis goes. What happened here is that the judge sought to interpret a technicality and obey the letter of the law (but not the spirit of the law) in a way that does not recognize the intent of the statute. We see this time and time again where judges have to make judgment calls on not just what the letter of the law says literally - but also the spirit of the law i.e. what is the intent of the law as written.

Whether this would've been taken up on appeal successfully depends largely on the judge - as they are not the objective jurisprudential creatures that some purport.

>Blame tbe idiots that allowed that law to stay on the books as
>written. I mean its fucking georgia, they may 'correct' the
>law by removing the entire statute completely.

This occurred in Wisconsin, but yea, it's not the first time a law was poorly/vaguely written.

This case was always a very difficult case to prosecute given the facts and clear self-defense claims available to Rittenhouse in Wisconsin, but interpreting the statute to include the intent of the law (re: minor possession weapons charge) would've at least demonstrated that the vigilante lawless violence of Rittenhouse wasn't wholly excused by the justice system.

I actually think the jury made the right call on the homicide charges, given the facts at hand. But ain't no way he should've walked scot free on the possession charge.


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201. "RE: If you don't think this judge exhibited clear bias, idk what to tell..."
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>Rittenhouse was charged with the minor possession offense, so
>the charge had already occurred. It wasn't until the defense
>objected on the technicality that the charge was thrown out -
>so the judge would've allowed the charge to go through w/ out
>that objection on technicality.

I'm not sure what your point is there...a defense attorney's job is to get their client off, through any means necessary....a judge rules on the motions and law....the prosecution basically conceded knowing the law didin't back them.

anyway, let'ss say he gets convicted on possession (carries a 9 months max) its very easy to see a connection to everything that transpired after rittenouse illegally possessed the weapon being rittenhouse's fault and convictions on the other charges.

The possession is an easy win on appeal, but then the defense argues that the other convictions stemmed from the original conviction (he had no legal right to be there, with the gun) and everything gets tossed.

>This occurred in Wisconsin, but yea, it's not the first time a
>law was poorly/vaguely written.

Ha i was just watching a replay of the Travis Mchmichael and Co. trial and got confused lol
>
>This case was always a very difficult case to prosecute given
>the facts and clear self-defense claims available to
>Rittenhouse in Wisconsin, but interpreting the statute to
>include the intent of the law (re: minor possession weapons
>charge) would've at least demonstrated that the vigilante
>lawless violence of Rittenhouse wasn't wholly excused by the
>justice system.
>
>I actually think the jury made the right call on the homicide
>charges, given the facts at hand. But ain't no way he
>should've walked scot free on the possession charge.

I said this before but open carry states are fucked up to me. I have a gun, you have a gun...we perceive each others as threats (bc motherfuckers with guns are dangerous) and we both have the right to defend ourselves. Its a setup for disasster to me. A lot of people out there are looking for reasons to be able to shoot someone and our fucked up laws allow it.

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200. "Does he have latitude in that interpretation?"
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202. "sure. A judge can interpret shit as he wants to"
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I just feel that anger at the judge is misdirected. Direct it at whoever allowed the statute on the books to read as it does.

Truth be told, the 'correction' to the law will likely be to remove it completely as opposed to tighten it to make it more strict.

Its obvious that when it was instituted, it was trying to address something ultra specific so the argument concerning the 'spirit of the law' probably rings hollow. They weren't trying to curb gun ownership of youths in general, otherwise there wouldn't have been any language regarding barrel legnth.

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203. "Nah, there was originally a ban on minors owning pistols"
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Then it became a ban on minors owning any firearm EXCEPT long guns (shotguns and rifles). This may have been influenced by the NRA trying to attract the next generation of gun owners by lobbying for kids to be able to hunt. Either way, the AR just happens to be long enough to be classified a long gun.

I mean, you can hunt with an AR but you can technically hunt with anything... I'd think there'd be a better way to separate the sport hunter from the potential criminal but this shows the inherent challenge of regulating guns. The people writing the regulations aren't into guns so they often barely know what they're talking about and otherwise aren't interested enough to keep up with how quickly they evolve.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/explainer-judge-drop-rittenhouse-gun-charge-81285031

MADISON, Wis. -- Prosecutors in Kyle Rittenhouse’s murder trial may have lost their best chance at convicting the Illinois man of something when the judge threw out a charge that Rittenhouse was a minor in possession of a dangerous weapon.

Rittenhouse shot three men, killing two of them, with an AR-15-style rifle during a chaotic protest against police brutality in Kenosha last year. A jury deliberated about 3 1/2 days before finding Rittenhouse not guilty on Friday of five felony charges, including a murder charge that could have carried a life in prison sentence.

That jury never got to consider the gun possession charge — one that at one time had seemed a slam-dunk for the prosecution. Rittenhouse was 17 at the time, and there was no dispute that he was armed the night of the shootings with a Smith and Wesson AR-style semi-automatic rifle strapped to his chest.

Though the charge was only a misdemeanor — punishable by a maximum nine months in jail — it might have offered the jury a way to convict Rittenhouse of a lesser crime if they were persuaded by his self-defense claims but agreed with prosecutors that he made a poor decision to carry a rifle on the streets of Kenosha.

So what happened?

Hours before closing arguments began on Monday, Judge Bruce Schroeder granted a defense motion to toss out the weapons charge. Rittenhouse attorneys Mark Richards and Corey Chirafisi pointed to an exception in the law that they said allows minors to possess shotguns and rifles as long as they’re not short-barreled.

Assistant District Attorney James Kraus argued that the exception renders the state’s prohibition on minors possessing dangerous weapons meaningless. But when he acknowledged that Rittenhouse’s rifle’s barrel was longer than 16 inches, the minimum barrel length allowed under state law, Schroeder dismissed the charge.

To Kenosha-based defense attorney Michael Cicchini, the statute clearly requires a weapon to be short-barreled to apply, and the judge made the right call.

“There doesn’t seem to be much ambiguity here,” he said. “(The charge) should have been dismissed earlier.”

The current wording of the overarching law seems clear: “Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.” A lead-in paragraph defines dangerous weapon as several things, including “any firearm, loaded or unloaded.”

The subsection that defense attorneys relied upon to seek dismissal reads: “This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 ...” That section of law isn’t specific to minors, but rather forbids any person from having a short-barreled shotgun or rifle.

“We knew from the beginning, that if you read that statute correctly, he was legal in having that firearm,” Richards said Friday after Rittenhouse was cleared of the remaining charges.

The evolution of the law on children and guns is murky. Prior to 1987, Wisconsin banned children from possessing pistols. Then-Gov. Tommy Thompson, a Republican, signed a law that year that expanded the prohibition to include short-barreled firearms, electric weapons, brass knuckles, throwing stars and nunchakus. Four years later, Thompson signed another law extending the prohibition to any firearm. But that law also allowed minors to possess long guns for hunting as long as the barrels were at least a foot long.

Legislative records show the statutory language went through multiple revisions until at least 2011.

The wording is hardly straightforward. Schroeder himself said he was confused about it when Richards first asked him to toss the possession charge out earlier this year.

The impetus for the carve-out isn’t clear. Jeri Bonavia, executive director of the Wisconsin Anti-Violence Effort, a group that works to reduce gun violence, said the National Rifle Association was making a national push to get guns in children’s hands in the late 1990s and early 2000s in hopes of creating lifetime gun owners; the caveat may have been part of that push, she said. But she said it appears that minors can possess long guns as long as they’re not sawed off.

She called that concerning.

“There are a number of things we don’t allow young people under 18 to do. There are reasons for that. Judgment isn’t as perfected at age 16 as it is much later. We’ve seen what that means in Kenosha, with the tragic outcome.”

Tom Grieve, a Milwaukee attorney and a former Waukesha County prosecutor, speculated that the long-gun exception was drafted to ensure children could hunt and lawmakers didn't envision it could be used to protect children who carry long guns at protests like the demonstrations in Kenosha.

“I think it was designed with an eye toward hunting and enabling law enforcement to add additional charges against minors hunting without a license,” he said. “Wisconsin is a hunting state. When people talk about long arms, they’re thinking in the hunting context.”

He said he thought Schroeder was right to dismiss the charge. Grieve called the exception an “extraordinarily poorly worded statute” marred by technical language and too many cross-referrals to other sections of Wisconsin weapons and hunting laws. He said that’s typical in more obscure areas of state law that get little attention. When a law is so confusing, legal doctrine calls for judges to interpret it in favor of defendants, he said.

“If this were baseball, the tie goes to the runner,” he said. “This is an alien concept to us in 21st-century America, but in awful situations around the world you have oppressive governments that thrive under poorly written laws, allowing them to prosecute people whenever they want for whatever they want. (The doctrine) is a safeguard against tyranny.”

Cicchini, the defense attorney, rejected the argument by prosecutors that the exception shreds a law intended to keep minors from having dangerous weapons. He noted that the prohibition still blocks children from carrying pistols, sawed-off shotguns and rifles and other weapons such as brass knuckles.

Grieve and Cicchini both said they’ve never seen the long-gun exception come into play like it did in Rittenhouse’s case, largely because juveniles tend to use handguns when committing crimes and in those cases prosecutors tend to charge them with far more serious offenses, such as armed robbery.

Democrat Jon Erpenbach, who has served in the state Senate since 1998, said he didn’t know why the exception was developed but he can’t imagine that lawmakers intended to allow kids to walk down the street with semiautomatic rifles.

“Certainly in 1991 we weren’t seeing what we’re seeing in ’19, ’20 and ’21 with protests and insurrections,” he said. “Once you throw a gun in there, it’s not a good situation for anyone. If that legislation is written today, I would tend to think that example would pop into a legislator’s mind, saying ’wait a minute, is the situation in Kenosha covered or does it leave a loophole?'

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206. "Ah that makes sense."
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212. "Judges have wide-ranging discretion while &quot;following the law&quot;."
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I see a lot of people pretending otherwise.

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Also hopefully the guy who purchased the gun for him gets locked up

  

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205. "Sure he can --plus more"
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Criminal charges still possible:
The prosecution can appeal (and is) the judge's decision to throw out the weapons charge.

Civil case:
The victim and families can sue, but K. Rittenhouse is having money THROWN at him from crazy gun nuts and right wing MAGAs ,so it'll not actually punish him in any way.

Now, his friend who purchased the gun for him is DEFINTELY going to face charges - that case was on hold.

Don't be surprised if the GUN FUCKING NIT USA will let him off too.

Also:Look for dozens of copycat incidents in the coming years.

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207. "He's 18 and unless his parents got an inheriticance for him or some shit"
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Sueing him aint goona net much

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208. "I'll say it now, this was always a tough case"
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1. My background for this case was reading this New Yorker Piece

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/07/05/kyle-rittenhouse-american-vigilante?source=search_google_dsa_paid&gclid=CjwKCAiAnO2MBhApEiwA8q0HYdD5vyoy-mJnR6VnUKJ_cXQfBaVa8BDt0MR9xLPdOrzqY3jakovJbRoC_aEQAvD_BwE

That persuaded me that KR isn't the Bugaloo Boy that the media made him out to be. ALl the deplorables wanted to make him their hero, but it didn't seem like he was a part of that movement from the start.

2. I can't front, when I discovered all his victims were white. It changed how I felt about it. Namely, because I have seen a lot of peaceful BLM and related protesting get fuzzed up by super left anarchist seattle type protesters. I still don't know a lot about the victims but it didn't help when I did learn:

3. Cause what I did learn is that it seems the first victim was shot after chasing KR. I really wanted to learn what happened immediately before he started chasing him but it wasn't clear. THough the states own witnesses didn't paint a great picture. What does seem established that after chasing him and grabbing his weapon, KR shot him. It doesn't take a great lawyer to argue that's self defense. And it would take the greatest prosecutor ever to establish that as murder.

4. After that first shooting. Then you have fog of war. The next two victims would have been right to pursue what they think is an active shooter. And if KR had acted in self defense, you can argue he had a right to defend himself against people coming at him with, among other things, a gun. I don't know why the prosecutor thought it was a good idea to put the only living witness on the stand to testify he pointed a gun at KR before being shot. A better discussion of the weakness of the case here. https://www.npr.org/2021/11/19/1057422329/why-legal-experts-were-not-surprised-by-the-rittenhouse-jurys-decision-to-acquit

5. Listen I believe it was 100% wrong for this kid to go, and be sent, into that situation with a weapon. He had no business there, but unfortunately its not a crime to be there with a weapon. This case represents a failure of our gun laws, a failure of the police to not send that kid home, a failure of his parents to let him go out there. However, it would be hard to translate that into a murder conviction.

6. I think right outcome would have been this kid charged and convicted with a wreckless manslaughter and some kind of gun charge. I don't know if the prosecutors purposely flubbed it, but a murder charge was always going to be hard to make.

The only consolation I have from this mess is seeing KR's attorney rejecting a lot of the people who have been invested in this case.

https://www.newsweek.com/rittenhouse-lawyer-slams-gop-congressman-trump-over-job-offers-1651671

and KR as well claiming he supports BLM.

Hopefully this deflates the rights effort to make him a hero. Hopefully this means he won't go the Zimmerman route.




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209. "Yup. Watching the trial coverage changed my mind"
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The media and politicians went all out to portray this as something it was not. It was not a white supremacist deliberate mass murderer. It was a guy caught up in a chaotic scene.

Whether he should have been in that scene or not is outside the scope of what happened while he was there.


The first person shot was entirely justifiable. He was getting chased by dude (who was the aggressor) who was trying to get at his gun. Given that self defense laws exist, Rittenhouse had every right to defend himself.

The other two were not necessary aggressors. According to the prosecution, they thought they Rittenhouse was the aggressor and was a danger.
But from Rittenhouse's perspective, it's reasonable to believe that he felt the need to continue defending himself against these threats that keep chasing after him. Especially the one who pulled a gun on him.

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210. "Yep agreed 100%. I honestly forgot about yhe actual video"
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And for the last year just been hearing the media talk about it. I started watching the case and what I was hearing didnt coincide with what i thought and remembered.

I watched the video and was like "oh shit them dudes attacked him." Everything KR said on the stand screamed self defense.

Hearing him still referred to as active shooter is kinda crazy. As is this rhetoric about the judge being biased as opposed to the testimony and evidence not backing up the charges.

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211. "He was an active shooter"
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Serious question: How many people could he have shot and still not been considered an active shooter?

Could he have shot 11? 45? 126? Or was 3 just the perfect number??

What's the cutoff for being "afraid for your life (but happened to strap an AK to your chest and go out during crazy shit/riots?)"

Rittenhouse was a bitch who thinks his manhood depended on protecting PROPERTY with an ASSUALT RIFLE.

Take that gun away form him and he would NOT have bene out there. He bought a tool to use to kill people.

And apparently that's legal in most of the U.S.

And apparently you see his point of view and sympathize.

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215. "Is there such thing as a lawful active shooter?"
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216. "What do you mean by lawful active shooter?"
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It's lawful to openly carry a weapon including an Ar-15 (unless you are under 18) in Wiscousin.

and its lawful to defend yourself.


That's it. This case all turns on what happened when KR first pointed his weapon at the first victim. If the first victim was trying to wrestle a gun from him and then he pointed and shot, he is going to get off (setting aside whether he legally had a gun at his age).

That has nothing to do with whom I am sympathetic too. It's the law. If the KR was black would it have turned out differently. Probably. That's a whole different discussion (and in those discussions I want the law to treat everyone like they are white instead of treating black people differently).

No one is saying they are happy with the outcome, I'm mainly saying I am not surprised.


I think the press did a terrible job of talking about this case in terms of what the law is, but rather used it to push certain narratives.




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217. "agree 100%...especially this part"
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>That has nothing to do with whom I am sympathetic too. It's the law. If the KR was black would it have turned out differently. Probably. That's a whole different discussion (and in those discussions I want the law to treat everyone like they are white instead of treating black people differently).

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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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219. "Well he was being called an active shooter after he shot the 1st person"
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That's why the others supposedly attacked him. I don't consider someone who has a confrontation with someone and shoots them (or confrontation with multiple people and shoots them) an active shooter.

And the number of people that were shot is irrelevant. Its more so about the randomness or the targets that are chosen by the shooter. All of his shootings were in reaction to others action.

I mean the rest of your post i agree it with so miss me with all that.

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213. "what's the definition of an active shooter?"
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218. "a guy caught up in a chaotic scene What ?"
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>The media and politicians went all out to portray this as
>something it was not. It was not a white supremacist
>deliberate mass murderer. It was a guy caught up in a chaotic
>scene.

It was a guy who went to a chaotic scene.

>Whether he should have been in that scene or not is outside
>the scope of what happened while he was there.
>

smh

>The first person shot was entirely justifiable. He was getting
>chased by dude (who was the aggressor) who was trying to get
>at his gun. Given that self defense laws exist, Rittenhouse
>had every right to defend himself.

https://youtu.be/cLJ_sHrn3lg?t=1713

>The other two were not necessary aggressors. According to the
>prosecution, they thought they Rittenhouse was the aggressor
>and was a danger.
>But from Rittenhouse's perspective, it's reasonable to believe
>that he felt the need to continue defending himself against
>these threats that keep chasing after him. Especially the one
>who pulled a gun on him.
>
>

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That a kid with an assault rifle MIGTH HAVE SEEN 2 non aggressors as people he had to murder in self defense.

See, it makes sense now right???

Sick fucking gun culture.

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222. "Yeah but the facts aren't that they were two "non-agressors""
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Like you have to make that up to make your point. That's not what came out at trial. And once that key difference comes out, the whole case falls apart.

The facts that were presented at trial don't match with what you are saying now...and that's been the problem with this case from the start. People had a set of facts in their head before the case started and were unwilling to consider anything else, including that facts that came out in the trial (facts from the state mind you).




>That a kid with an assault rifle MIGTH HAVE SEEN 2 non
>aggressors as people he had to murder in self defense.
>
>See, it makes sense now right???
>
>Sick fucking gun culture.


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224. ">Sick fucking gun culture."
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PUNK ASS BITCH KID brings an assault rifle for 'self defense.'

If you bring a gun the ONLY POSSIBLE 'self defense' option is murdering people.


And you seem to understand it.

I understand in Wisconsin and MOST states it's perfectly legal to leave the house with a gun and then to murder people because you fear they might take your gun away and murder you with the weapon you brought.

And the bigger bitch you are the more reasonable your fear is, legally.

Sick gun culture.

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225. "I think you are missing that someone can see the legality of it"
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And not fuck with it morally.

There are many people (me included) who thinks the legality of it is fucked up and dont fuck with "gun culture".

Shit, its why i dont wanna leave NYC

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221. "Its really simple though"
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What it ultimately came down to is: If you have a gun, and someone chases you and goes to grab your gun, is it reasonable to fear that person is going to kill you?

This case was never about should he have not gone to a chaotic scene with a gun. Because the answer is he should not but it's not against the law.


Sharpton had it right in the clip you shared, its about the law and changing the law.

Its also worth going back 20 seconds in the clip you shared because that very prosecutor said this was a difficult case to win...which is my point.

Also his fist metaphor doesn't hold up because fist fights and gun fights are just so fundamentally different.



>>The media and politicians went all out to portray this as
>>something it was not. It was not a white supremacist
>>deliberate mass murderer. It was a guy caught up in a
>chaotic
>>scene.
>
>It was a guy who went to a chaotic scene.
>
>>Whether he should have been in that scene or not is outside
>>the scope of what happened while he was there.
>>
>
>smh
>
>>The first person shot was entirely justifiable. He was
>getting
>>chased by dude (who was the aggressor) who was trying to get
>>at his gun. Given that self defense laws exist, Rittenhouse
>>had every right to defend himself.
>
>https://youtu.be/cLJ_sHrn3lg?t=1713
>
>>The other two were not necessary aggressors. According to
>the
>>prosecution, they thought they Rittenhouse was the aggressor
>>and was a danger.
>>But from Rittenhouse's perspective, it's reasonable to
>believe
>>that he felt the need to continue defending himself against
>>these threats that keep chasing after him. Especially the
>one
>>who pulled a gun on him.
>>
>>
>
>https://youtu.be/cLJ_sHrn3lg?t=1729
>


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>
>What it ultimately came down to is: If you have a gun, and
>someone chases you and goes to grab your gun, is it reasonable
>to fear that person is going to kill you?
>

If you listen to what David Henderson said at the very end

"the law allows you to consider whether he should have backed down."

>This case was never about should he have not gone to a chaotic
>scene with a gun. Because the answer is he should not but it's
>not against the law.
>
>

I talked about the chaotic scene because Pimp described it as a guy caught up, which it's not.

>Sharpton had it right in the clip you shared, its about the
>law and changing the law.
>

Nah David Henderson said it's the system not the law. Changing the law is a band aide if it happens.

>Its also worth going back 20 seconds in the clip you shared
>because that very prosecutor said this was a difficult case to
>win...which is my point.

Yeah David Henderson also said it was winnable. He said the law was not the problem so much as the system is the problem.
>
>Also his fist metaphor doesn't hold up because fist fights and
>gun fights are just so fundamentally different.
>


The first two who Rittenhouse killed did not have guns so it's not a gun fight.

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226. "Just a couple points re: Wisconsin law"
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In Wisconsin (as is the case in about 15 other states) the burden is on the prosecution to disprove a defendant's self-defense claim - this paired with the legal standard of proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt is the highest burden we have in criminal cases. So here, Rittenhouse didn't even have to prove self-defense, it was the prosecution's heavy burden to disprove his self-defense claims.

Further complicating the legal standard of "what would a reasonably prudent person do in the defendant's position" is the fact that he was 17 at a time. So were the jurors using a subjective standard of a grown adult or a 17 year old? I think those yield different results.

Given the fact pattern here and applicable Wisconsin law, this was always a very difficult case to prove as it pertains to the homicide charges vis-à-vis self-defense. But the reckless endangerment/weapons possession charges are a different story and I think the defendant's guilt was far more ascertainable as to those charges.

>If you listen to what David Henderson said at the very end
>
>"the law allows you to consider whether he should have backed
>down."

You can consider that - but there is no "stand your ground" law in Wisconsin. So a person does not have to exhaust all other options before resorting to deadly force in self-defense. There's no duty to retreat either.

Again, very high burden the prosecution carries here. This is why most legal experts weren't surprised at this outcome. Now, what this outcome says from a social perspective about the disparities in outcomes and how different defendants are treated has to be discussed - because there's no way an Arab or Black man stepping into a MAGA rally armed with an assault rifle and killing multiple people would get this level of deference (and dare I say affinity) from this judge.

The social analysis in the aftermath of this is complicated and reflective of the disparities and inequities in our criminal justice system - but the legal elements re: self-defense here are less complicated.


  

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229. "It's the system"
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>In Wisconsin (as is the case in about 15 other states) the
>burden is on the prosecution to disprove a defendant's
>self-defense claim - this paired with the legal standard of
>proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt is the highest burden
>we have in criminal cases. So here, Rittenhouse didn't even
>have to prove self-defense, it was the prosecution's heavy
>burden to disprove his self-defense claims.

Yes a heavy burden but winnable.

>Further complicating the legal standard of "what would a
>reasonably prudent person do in the defendant's position" is
>the fact that he was 17 at a time. So were the jurors using a
>subjective standard of a grown adult or a 17 year old? I
>think those yield different results.
>

Even if he was an adult that jury would have given the same verdict. age wasn't the deciding factor for them.

>Given the fact pattern here and applicable Wisconsin law, this
>was always a very difficult case to prove as it pertains to
>the homicide charges vis-à-vis self-defense. But the
>reckless endangerment/weapons possession charges are a
>different story and I think the defendant's guilt was far more
>ascertainable as to those charges.
>

How could the prosecution get a guilty verdict on weapons possession when it was never going to make it anyway. That loop hole took care of that charge.

>>If you listen to what David Henderson said at the very end
>>
>>"the law allows you to consider whether he should have
>backed
>>down."
>
>You can consider that - but there is no "stand your ground"
>law in Wisconsin. So a person does not have to exhaust all
>other options before resorting to deadly force in
>self-defense. There's no duty to retreat either.
>

I don't believe that's what he was saying.

>Again, very high burden the prosecution carries here. This is
>why most legal experts weren't surprised at this outcome. Now,
>what this outcome says from a social perspective about the
>disparities in outcomes and how different defendants are
>treated has to be discussed - because there's no way an Arab
>or Black man stepping into a MAGA rally armed with an assault
>rifle and killing multiple people would get this level of
>deference (and dare I say affinity) from this judge.
>

Yes it's a high burden but a former prosecutor said it was winnable so this is more about the system.

>The social analysis in the aftermath of this is complicated
>and reflective of the disparities and inequities in our
>criminal justice system - but the legal elements re:
>self-defense here are less complicated.
>
>

Nah open carry vs self defense is complicated.

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227. "Yeah but you didn't answer my question. "
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David Henderson said "the law allows you to consider whether he should have backed down."

OK. but that doesn't change my initial question. If you are being chased by someone (i.e., backing down) and they go for your gun, is it reasonable to fear for your life?

The facts don't help you. We all agree that he should not have showed up there with a gun. But that was legal to do. Again, I ask you. If someone is going for your gun, would you fear for your life? That's the question that it came down to for the jury. It could have gone another way, but its crazy to be surprised it went the way it did.




>>
>>What it ultimately came down to is: If you have a gun, and
>>someone chases you and goes to grab your gun, is it
>reasonable
>>to fear that person is going to kill you?
>>
>
>If you listen to what David Henderson said at the very end
>
>"the law allows you to consider whether he should have backed
>down."
>
>>This case was never about should he have not gone to a
>chaotic
>>scene with a gun. Because the answer is he should not but
>it's
>>not against the law.
>>
>>
>
>I talked about the chaotic scene because Pimp described it as
>a guy caught up, which it's not.
>
>>Sharpton had it right in the clip you shared, its about the
>>law and changing the law.
>>
>
>Nah David Henderson said it's the system not the law. Changing
>the law is a band aide if it happens.
>
>>Its also worth going back 20 seconds in the clip you shared
>>because that very prosecutor said this was a difficult case
>to
>>win...which is my point.
>
>Yeah David Henderson also said it was winnable. He said the
>law was not the problem so much as the system is the problem.
>>
>>Also his fist metaphor doesn't hold up because fist fights
>and
>>gun fights are just so fundamentally different.
>>
>
>
>The first two who Rittenhouse killed did not have guns so it's
>not a gun fight.
>
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228. "Ok"
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>David Henderson said "the law allows you to consider whether
>he should have backed down."
>
>OK. but that doesn't change my initial question. If you are
>being chased by someone (i.e., backing down) and they go for
>your gun, is it reasonable to fear for your life?
>

If someone is being chasing a person holding a gun in their hands when the person chasing goes for it, I can understand if the person with gun has a reasonable fear BUT if the gun is strapped to his body and the person going for it does not have the strength of hulk, nah they are not going to get the gun that easy.

>The facts don't help you. We all agree that he should not
>have showed up there with a gun. But that was legal to do.
>Again, I ask you. If someone is going for your gun, would you
>fear for your life? That's the question that it came down to
>for the jury. It could have gone another way, but its crazy
>to be surprised it went the way it did.
>

It's not the fact, it's how you frame it. Drop and avoid anything that does not work and use what's left to reduce it to something that fits the narrative. The jury is suppose to consider more than one question but even if that was the only question, all of the jurors would have to agree these two were going to rip the gun strapped to him away and shoot him.


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234. "good for him. the kid got to live out his dream. "
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He got his wish.

Of course...

He went *to* the chaos.

The chaos did not come to him.

He said himself- he wished he had a gun so he could shoot them.

Welp, he got himself a gun.

And took that gun to the chaos.

And when the chaos enveloped him, he did exactly what he said himself, that he wished he could do:

shoot someone.

It's a great recipe, really.

If you want to kill someone, just go jump into a life threatening situation- even those that have nothing to do with you, even if you have to travel across state lines to get there- so that you can kill someone under the premise that you're life was being threatened.

He wanted to be an action hero.
He got his wish. Good for him, I guess.
After all, don't we all want to live out our own dreams?

  

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230. "Want to talk about "If it were a black man"? Talk about Grandmaster Jay"
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He is facing 20 years in prison for "aiming" his gun at cops though that they acknowledge that aiming was him pointing his flashlight mounted to the rifle.

This is a trial I am way more invested in.

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231. "This is why I hate the BUT ITS THE LAW!!!"
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anytime a white person is found innocent.

niggas know damn well the “law” is just white people doing wtf they want.

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232. "Arbery looking like 3 guilties IMO"
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Overwhelming evidence that contradicts every aspect of the defense
Using the bank robber analogy=all 3 guilty
I know nobody is surprised at this point... I'd be very surprised if any of the 3 walk
Prosecutor is basically using their own actions to convict.

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233. "Its funny how good of a case can make an attorney look (or vice versa)"
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bc that prosecutor was amazing, and the defense has looked incompetent. On paper, that shit should be a slam dunk for the prosecution.

I could see Roddie getting a light slap though. Not sure why he didn't testify and throw the mcmichaels all the way under the bus.

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235. "Good question. He may fear reprisal"
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>I could see Roddie getting a light slap though. Not sure why
>he didn't testify and throw the mcmichaels all the way under
>the bus.

He probably knows he's fucked on one end or the other if he does some shit like that. He goes to jail for any time at all, he does so as a documented snitch and even the woods won't want him.

He goes home, he's still a snitch, and probably viewed as a race trader or whatever.

Also, didn't he try that at the beginning? before he was outed as being part of it?

  

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236. "helps immensely when established facts are on the side of the prosecutor"
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as is certainly the case here.

Defense didn't do a good job of asserting any affirmative defenses or planting any seeds of reasonable doubt. But the facts here - on their face - are devastating to the defense IMO.

But jury nullification is a real thing - and you never know what these jurors will do. I didn't think there was a particularly equitable jury selection process here so that always is a factor.

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241. "LOL@ a good case "
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They filmed themselves hunting and murdering a man in broad daylight

Much like the Chauvin trial...if that's what's needed to get a conviction

We've got bigger problems.

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243. "Uh yeah, we do. "
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Without video, all those defendants would be spewing a whole lot of other bullshit
>
>Much like the Chauvin trial...if that's what's needed to get a
>conviction
>
>We've got bigger problems.

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252. "Also, I think they would have gotten of if...."
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Even WITH a video if Ahmaud had a gun (whether he took it out) or a knife or a small piece of twine then the jury would have found self defense for the 3 murders.

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254. "Yep good point. "
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238. "it's incredibly funny"
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I wrote a little about the rittenhouse case, not about his guilt or innocence

and I got a lot of emails from angry white dudes

and it's weird to me that in the middle of racist epithets, their talking points were word for word matches with the ones some people on okp use.

y'all want to be white dudes so bad it's hilarious

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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239. "Don't stop"
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What were the words and who do they match.

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242. "if you can't guess I can't help you bro"
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240. "Real life bots"
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At lest no one has called the killer "Kyle" here yet, have they??

The bots flood the zone and the "freethinkers' parrot it exactly.

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244. "Someone posts online; "I don't like gun nuts, I wish I could go to a ran..."
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and shoot everyone there."

They don't have a license to carry a weapon but they go get a gun anyway.

They travel to another state (also illegal) and walk into a gun range with their gun.

When they enter the range, they yell "guns are bad" but they do not point their weapon.

Upon hearing the person say this, the range owner reaches for their gun, assuming they're a threat. *POP-POP*, owner down. Two other range attendees turn to shoot at this person after hearing the shots and seeing the owner fall. *POP-POP-POP-POP*. Both of them drop.

The shooter claims self defense.

-Do they get off on this?

-Would intent not be part of the prosecution (stated feelings online, acted on said feelings...premeditated)?

-Would the fact that they garnered a weapon illegally not play into the case (disobedience of the law with the intent to commit an act of violence as stated in said premeditated 'wishing')

-Is simply reaching for the gun because they said 'guns are bad'...at a gun range, while carrying a gun, an act of life threatening intent? So much so that they needed to kill the person to protect themselves?

-Would there be nuiance in considering these facts together or would they be isolated and evaluated on each of their own merits?

-Would saying they wanted to do something online/in public be considered an empty jesture, facetiousness.

-Would obtaining a gun illegally (not licensed to carry one) and taking it to another state (transporting a weapon across state lines) be thrown out of the case as separate issues?

-Would going to a gun range be considered circumstantial (just because they are there, doesn't mean they wanted to shoot anyone, they 'could' have walked in and just started shooting).

-Would provocation not have any consideration in this case? (This is like when a cop goes into a situation to purposefully escalate it instead of de-escalating so they have justifiable cause to use deadly force...to me, it's the same principle as walking into a theater and yelling "fire" where there is no fire...if you provoke the situation, you are liable...ESPECIALLY where intent is provable).

I dunno, I just don't see how the chain of events doesn't lead to him netting SOME type of conviction. Maybe the prosecution swung for the fences with murder but I can see how that's on the table given the public expression of desire to shoot people at this particular event. There was nothing reasonable about any of the actions he took (breaking the law by obtaining a weapon, traveling across state lines, putting himself in a hostile environment while armed, walking solo, shooting the first person to approach him, who's sans weapon {police officers were at the end of the block if he needed assistance and he could SEE them, it's on video}.

Maybe a lesser charge should have been levied but this outcome...missed the target IMO.

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245. "Mchmichaels and roddie bryan guilty"
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246. "now thye gotta get the previous prosecutors who tried to bury this shit."
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247. "Could Roddy have had his case separated?"
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I feel like if he was up there by himself, he wouldn't have got the same charges/convictions

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248. "his lawyer tried. Judge said nope."
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251. "Sad irony is the father leaked the video TO CLEAR THEIR NAMES"
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I guess he didn’t really understand the kinda pass he was getting bc he leaked the cell phone video to clear their name, publicly.

If he’d just eaten the public shame, they’d all still be free like so many racist killers in the past.

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253. "It was an attorney friend of Greg mcmichael"
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That gave it to the radio station. Its unclear whether he did it on his own or at Gregs request. In alot of circles, they are saying he violated attorney client privelege even though he wasnt formally representing him.

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249. "so he was hanging out with 45?"
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https://news.yahoo.com/kyle-rittenhouse-trump-mar-a-lago-photo-tucker-carlson-184207390.html

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