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ThaTruth
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"Insecure - S5 - The Final Season"


          

Personally I thought EP1 was kinda weak. It just seemed like a commercial for black folks at Stanford.

The robbery scene was funny but other than that it was a big yawn and felt like a wasted episode to me. It looks like Molly cuts her hair in episode 2.

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Subject Author Message Date ID
So many transitional scenes in the opening 10 minutes
Oct 25th 2021
1
right lol...
Oct 25th 2021
2
right lol...
Oct 25th 2021
3
it was explained as that restoring Issa and Molly's relationship
Oct 25th 2021
5
I noticed the excessive musical transitions in the last season.
Oct 25th 2021
6
I think the musical showcase has become an income stream
Oct 25th 2021
7
      mos def.. they showing the artist and track during the show
Nov 01st 2021
24
I enjoyed the show while watching it
Oct 25th 2021
4
Our very own DJ R-Tistic in the Insecure mix
Oct 25th 2021
8
lol, definitely a "misogynistic classic"
Oct 25th 2021
9
Folks are really talking about Amanda’s character wearing aka gear?
Oct 26th 2021
10
supposedly she had "permission" from corporate lol
Oct 26th 2021
11
trying to get into it. I dont like these long gaps with shows
Oct 26th 2021
12
...the Stanford angle, doesnt seem to make sense
Oct 27th 2021
13
lmao at they dont fit the mold
Oct 27th 2021
14
      I know was mentioned in the Derek birthday episode that Issa met...
Oct 27th 2021
15
           I guess they couldn’t get clearance to film at USC or UCLA
Oct 27th 2021
16
                RE: I guess they couldn’t get clearance to film at USC or UCLA
Oct 27th 2021
17
                I meant for the story line
Oct 27th 2021
20
                Issa went to Stanford
Oct 27th 2021
18
                     Exactly..Issa the person not the character fits my expectation
Oct 27th 2021
19
                          Having a Stanford Alum robbing people didn't make much sense to me.
Nov 01st 2021
23
this last season seems rushed already
Oct 31st 2021
21
Episode 2
Nov 01st 2021
22
RE: Episode 2
Nov 01st 2021
25
Episode was a waste of time
Nov 01st 2021
26
RE: Episode 2
Nov 02nd 2021
27
Molly and Issa gonna get married on the season finale
Nov 02nd 2021
30
      You playing but....
Nov 02nd 2021
31
      when they rolled over and looked into each others eyes..
Nov 02nd 2021
34
           I could see that lol
Nov 03rd 2021
36
      that would be extremely soap opera-y
Nov 08th 2021
41
I wonder if episode 1 was originally intended to be S4 finale
Nov 02nd 2021
28
      I could definitely see that, when I saw previews of Molly with short hai...
Nov 03rd 2021
37
"I re-work Trap songs for the Lord."
Nov 02nd 2021
29
ugh...
Nov 02nd 2021
32
      she’s a lawyer
Nov 02nd 2021
33
      For what it's worth
Nov 02nd 2021
35
RE: Insecure - S5 - The Final Season
Nov 08th 2021
38
EP3 felt like a filler episode, did we really need to give a whole show....
Nov 08th 2021
39
I thought it was the best of the season lol.
Nov 09th 2021
42
yes.. they needed a whole ep for that storyline
Nov 09th 2021
46
      the entire previous 4 seasons have been based on Issa & Molly...
Nov 09th 2021
48
           Issa, Molly, & Lawrence.
Nov 09th 2021
49
           Lawrence has been written out of the storyline multiple times
Nov 09th 2021
50
                But always comes back.
Nov 09th 2021
51
           No.. damn near the entire 1st season included Lawrence
Nov 09th 2021
52
                I honestly don't care but like I said they have specifically written his...
Nov 09th 2021
54
Great episode
Nov 08th 2021
40
I'd bet the house that this is leading to ...
Nov 09th 2021
43
      Nailed it
Nov 11th 2021
57
      Idk if any additional context will be revealed re:
Nov 12th 2021
59
Easily the best episode of the season so far
Nov 09th 2021
44
yup
Nov 09th 2021
45
I felt bad for both of them… and for the baby hearing all that cursing
Nov 09th 2021
47
yeah Derek was right the baby can feel all that negative energy...
Nov 09th 2021
55
      my wife and I started to have an argument one time in front of the kids
Nov 11th 2021
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           RE: my wife and I started to have an argument one time in front of the ...
Nov 12th 2021
60
                yeah.. that pre-natal shit is tricky
Nov 12th 2021
64
I had knocked the show for them not "growing up". They delivered.
Nov 12th 2021
61
      I feel like they always had different characters at different stages...
Nov 12th 2021
63
           This is quite gendered tho.
Nov 12th 2021
65
                I grew up with 4 sets of women.. and they all are like the Insecure grou...
Nov 13th 2021
67
                Right. I think you're talking more about diff paths women take tho
Nov 30th 2021
98
                your sociology studies need a larger sample size
Nov 13th 2021
68
                Oh I know lol. Def just tv lol
Nov 30th 2021
99
                RE: This is quite gendered tho.
Nov 14th 2021
70
                     or never really wanted either to begin with.
Nov 18th 2021
72
                     Right. I should've clarified I meant first marriages
Nov 30th 2021
102
little demons lol
Nov 09th 2021
53
PEPPER PIG! With the hard R!
Nov 10th 2021
56
Episode 3 felt like a Deadbeat Dad origin story!!
Nov 12th 2021
62
      Lol ya I wouldn't have been mad if the season had started at ep3 tbh
Nov 12th 2021
66
           It would be really dope if the series ends with her having options
Nov 18th 2021
73
                Of course there will be !
Nov 18th 2021
74
like the vignettes type storytelling
Nov 13th 2021
69
I liked how EP4 refocused on the main characters, its looking like...
Nov 14th 2021
71
Episode 4: The scene with the car ride of the dudes was weird, storytell...
Nov 18th 2021
75
RE: Episode 4: The scene with the car ride of the dudes was weird, story...
Nov 20th 2021
76
odd how people are tripping over scenes and characters this year
Nov 21st 2021
77
      that ending scene for tonight's episode tho...
Nov 22nd 2021
78
           yeah...and the preview for next week...
Nov 22nd 2021
79
           I knew CrenShawn was coming back lol
Nov 22nd 2021
80
           ending was great.. totally popped her bubble
Nov 22nd 2021
81
terrible
Nov 29th 2021
82
I thought Issa's "dream sequences" were hilarious, even though the 2nd.....
Nov 29th 2021
84
      when she threw the baby I fell out.. lol
Nov 29th 2021
87
           RE: when she threw the baby I fell out.. lol
Nov 30th 2021
92
Nathan is not an interesting character and the guy who plays
Nov 29th 2021
83
I've been telling people for a few weeks she will end up with CrenShawn
Nov 29th 2021
85
Wouldn't mind this tbh
Nov 30th 2021
94
Nathan is a light skinned version of Lawrence from season 1 ep 1.
Nov 29th 2021
86
Lol! wat. Lawrence was like 10x more interested in Issa than Nathan
Nov 30th 2021
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      Nathan is ready to leave Cali
Nov 30th 2021
108
           Lawrence bought Issa an ENGAGEMENT RING, did he not?
Nov 30th 2021
112
agreed
Nov 29th 2021
88
RE: Molly & Taurean
Nov 30th 2021
90
Yea last nite I was wondering why they bothered bringing him back.
Nov 30th 2021
89
brought him back because Issa has no where to go without Lawrence
Nov 30th 2021
101
      I think, as some in here have already mentioned, that he has every reaso...
Nov 30th 2021
104
           didnt she smash the homie on the ferris wheel?
Nov 30th 2021
105
           at least a year has passed in the show's plotline
Nov 30th 2021
106
                Sure I don't disagree, but that wasn't my point.
Nov 30th 2021
107
                based on her dreams it comes across like she loves the idea of love
Nov 30th 2021
109
Is he in anything else? I haven't seen him.
Nov 30th 2021
93
He was in White Famous
Nov 30th 2021
95
      RE: He was in White Famous
Nov 30th 2021
114
I don't mind him as a character or the actor's delivery but I don't like
Nov 30th 2021
97
      lmao.. that is a whole other show
Nov 30th 2021
100
      lol!
Nov 30th 2021
103
      Kelly getting Issa's sloppy seconds? that sounds like a terrible idea lo...
Nov 30th 2021
110
           Lol. I think I don't see Nathan as Issa's 'sloppy seconds' bc
Nov 30th 2021
111
                the episodes are only 30 minutes and Natasha Rothwell is actually...
Nov 30th 2021
113
                     What makes you think I'm unaware Rothwell's a writer? lol
Nov 30th 2021
115
                          did you have sex with this dude or no?
Dec 01st 2021
116
                               yeah.. what does hung out with mean?
Dec 01st 2021
117
                                    RE: yeah.. what does hung out with mean?
Dec 02nd 2021
118
So, it's gonna be a race to the finish now
Nov 30th 2021
91
3 episodes left, hopefully it picks up
Dec 05th 2021
119

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1. "So many transitional scenes in the opening 10 minutes"
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The music in the show has always been a draw, but the beginning of the episode seemed to only be about showcasing songs. It was unnecessary AF.

I did like Kelly calling them out on how she's just a joke for the show. That was an interesting choice.

And I thought the robbery was really funny...
But I didn't like their reaction to the robbery. You just had a gun in your face, lost your purses, money, watch, shoes... and you just laugh it off? I don't think so.

Kinda confused. Did Lawrence not move to San Fran?

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2. "right lol..."
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>And I thought the robbery was really funny...
>But I didn't like their reaction to the robbery. You just had
>a gun in your face, lost your purses, money, watch, shoes...
>and you just laugh it off? I don't think so.

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3. "right lol..."
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>And I thought the robbery was really funny...
>But I didn't like their reaction to the robbery. You just had
>a gun in your face, lost your purses, money, watch, shoes...
>and you just laugh it off? I don't think so.

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5. "it was explained as that restoring Issa and Molly's relationship"
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>But I didn't like their reaction to the robbery. You just had
>a gun in your face, lost your purses, money, watch, shoes...
>and you just laugh it off? I don't think so.

also, the absurdity of how their homegirl set them up

  

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6. "I noticed the excessive musical transitions in the last season."
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7. "I think the musical showcase has become an income stream"
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24. "mos def.. they showing the artist and track during the show"
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it really is the best part of the show

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4. "I enjoyed the show while watching it"
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but upon examination so much of it didn't make sense.

I am however glad Molly and Issa are over their drama, I look forward to seeing how all this shakes out.

I'm trying to keep in mind the fact that this is the last season in a pretty successful show that has resulted in a lot of talented black folks getting put on.

We should be expecting a victory lap, NOT thrilling run to the finish line.

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9. "lol, definitely a "misogynistic classic" "
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10. "Folks are really talking about Amanda’s character wearing aka gear?"
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Petty af.

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11. "supposedly she had "permission" from corporate lol"
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12. "trying to get into it. I dont like these long gaps with shows"
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was it 2 years?

I know.. covid got me all fucked up.

Anyway.. yeah, that robbery was hilarious. I didn’t get the Kelly death tribute joke but I was half paying attention.

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13. "...the Stanford angle, doesnt seem to make sense"
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feels like salt bae was making a steak and while plating it decided to throw an ice cream cone on top of it all.

Stanford might have been mentioned previously, but it was never really rolled into the storylines of past seasons.

Also - in my limited exposure to people of the world, I've known some black Stanford folks, so I was surprised they were all alumni because they don't fit my mold of what I've seen before.

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14. "lmao at they dont fit the mold"
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it aint that serious

but I agree on the limited college backstory. Not sure it was mentioned at all. I cant recall but again.. not a big deal

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15. "I know was mentioned in the Derek birthday episode that Issa met..."
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Derek and Tiffany in college and I believe it was mentioned in another episode that Molly and Tiffany where sorors in the episode that Jared said he didn't go to college

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16. "I guess they couldn’t get clearance to film at USC or UCLA"
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and didnt want to blow the budget with a trip to Howard or Hampton

Stanford seemed mad random

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17. "RE: I guess they couldn’t get clearance to film at USC or UCLA"
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>and didnt want to blow the budget with a trip to Howard or
>Hampton
>
>Stanford seemed mad random

not really Issa is a Stanford alum IRL, she wanted to showcase her school

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20. "I meant for the story line"
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makes sense to do it to showcase her school irl

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18. "Issa went to Stanford"
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I personally wrote it off as "random for the show, but not random for her"

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19. "Exactly..Issa the person not the character fits my expectation"
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The way she comes off in real life reminds me of the vibe of Stanford folks

again - I say this as a person with limited exposure to all things in life.

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23. "Having a Stanford Alum robbing people didn't make much sense to me. "
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I don't see that happening.

It would also seem like the weight of not having a career and her being a Stanford graduating would have been something over her head from season 1.

Her being a stanford grad seems to have been tacked on during this last season and not something they had envisioned from the start of the show.


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21. "this last season seems rushed already"
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22. "Episode 2"
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So we jumping forward a whole ass year? I hope this is leading SOMEWHERE....

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25. "RE: Episode 2"
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>So we jumping forward a whole ass year? I hope this is
>leading SOMEWHERE....

its leading to the end

  

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26. "Episode was a waste of time"
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Didn't move anything forward.
And the time skip? wtf. why?

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27. "RE: Episode 2"
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>So we jumping forward a whole ass year? I hope this is
>leading SOMEWHERE....

I thought that was weird too, its like they wanted to get past Molly's haircut and her and Issa being "back back" without actually covering it on the show, we went from them barely speaking in episode 1 to sleepovers in episode 2 lol

its like they spent all of season 4 tearing that relationship down and they got robbed together so its like, they're good now

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30. "Molly and Issa gonna get married on the season finale"
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I can't say they didn't look REAL cozy in bed.

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34. "when they rolled over and looked into each others eyes.."
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I was like..

yeah, once Issa fucks up with Nathan she is going to give Molly a shot

and sho nuff..

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36. "I could see that lol"
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>I was like..
>
>yeah, once Issa fucks up with Nathan she is going to give
>Molly a shot
>
>and sho nuff..

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28. "I wonder if episode 1 was originally intended to be S4 finale"
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Not even "They shot it a few years ago and just used it now," but more like when they were first planning season 4, they sketched it out that it would end after the college reunion, then got 10 episodes of material otherwise, and just decided to retool it as the Season 5 opener.

That way, the season would have ended with Issa and Molly slowly working things out, Issa definitively breaking things off with Lawrence, etc. Then by the next season, it feels less weird that Molly has a new haircut and they're having sleep overs, and Issa doing big things.

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37. "I could definitely see that, when I saw previews of Molly with short hai..."
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I assumed she would start season 5 that way but then she came out in EP1 with the long hair then bam, EP2 its a year later and Molly has short hair and everybody has evolved and its only discussed on the Wine Down after the show lol

>Not even "They shot it a few years ago and just used it now,"
>but more like when they were first planning season 4, they
>sketched it out that it would end after the college reunion,
>then got 10 episodes of material otherwise, and just decided
>to retool it as the Season 5 opener.
>
>That way, the season would have ended with Issa and Molly
>slowly working things out, Issa definitively breaking things
>off with Lawrence, etc. Then by the next season, it feels less
>weird that Molly has a new haircut and they're having sleep
>overs, and Issa doing big things.

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That shit was funny.

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32. "ugh..."
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this tired stereotype that all the people who are still single post (insert random age here) is dumb. What makes Molly so great? Honestly, We've seen for seasons her toxicity in relationships, but she gets to stand in judgement of this dude, why?

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33. "she’s a lawyer"
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and she is tall and attractive

but the show has pretty much told us why she isn’t a treat catch..

hell, same with Issa.

which is why they will hook up once its all said and done.

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35. "For what it's worth"
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The episode did show several instances of her reflecting on her past mistakes in the dating realm

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38. "RE: Insecure - S5 - The Final Season"
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39. "EP3 felt like a filler episode, did we really need to give a whole show...."
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to Condola and Lawrence?

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42. "I thought it was the best of the season lol."
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46. "yes.. they needed a whole ep for that storyline"
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not sure why you think Issa’s first love having a baby with another woman and the fall put from it isn’t worthy of 30 minutes.. lol.

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48. "the entire previous 4 seasons have been based on Issa & Molly..."
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so to have an entire episode without either of them was weird

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49. "Issa, Molly, & Lawrence."
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50. "Lawrence has been written out of the storyline multiple times"
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51. "But always comes back."
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And is third on the masthead. And in terms of episode appearances.

There are 2 clear co-stars on the show besides Issa. He's one of the two.

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52. "No.. damn near the entire 1st season included Lawrence"
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and then last season was the Condela friend storyline right?

and Lawrence and Issa were hooking up at the end of season 3.

I think you wanted it to be about Molly and Issa but Lawrence is a legit story line tied to Issa’s happiness or lack of it

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54. "I honestly don't care but like I said they have specifically written his..."
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character out of the show so that Issa could have other love interests. There have been multiple episodes almost entire seasons without Lawrence I don't there had ever been an episode without Issa and Molly


>and then last season was the Condela friend storyline right?
>
>
>and Lawrence and Issa were hooking up at the end of season 3.
>
>
>I think you wanted it to be about Molly and Issa but Lawrence
>is a legit story line tied to Issa’s happiness or lack of
>it

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40. "Great episode"
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I hope condola and Lawrence work it out.

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43. "I'd bet the house that this is leading to ..."
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... Lawrence moving back to LA to be more present for his kid, and as a result rekindling w/Issa. Fan service.

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59. "Idk if any additional context will be revealed re:"
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why Issa ultimately decided to leave, but I hope her and Lawrence don't get back together at this point

But yeah, I loved this episode. Hope both characters grow from it in a way that's beneficial for the baby

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44. "Easily the best episode of the season so far"
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real emotional depth on this one. It was a really painful episode -- and I ain't never even been in a situation remotely similar.

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45. "yup"
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47. "I felt bad for both of them… and for the baby hearing all that cursing"
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55. "yeah Derek was right the baby can feel all that negative energy..."
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Derek is probably the smartest guy on the show

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58. "my wife and I started to have an argument one time in front of the kids"
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we quickly deaded that shit and agreed than any disagreement would be civil in front of the
kids.

I felt for both tho… being a single mother is ridiculous. Of course she hates Lawrence

but also, Lawrence trying to co-parent isn’t wrong and I HATE that “give me my baby” bullshit mothers throw at the father. You decided to keep the baby.. its also his baby. Don’t get upset because the baby didn’t keep yall together.

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60. "RE: my wife and I started to have an argument one time in front of the ..."
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>we quickly deaded that shit and agreed than any disagreement
>would be civil in front of the
>kids.
>
>I felt for both tho… being a single mother is ridiculous. Of
>course she hates Lawrence
>
>but also, Lawrence trying to co-parent isn’t wrong and I
>HATE that “give me my baby” bullshit mothers throw at the
>father. You decided to keep the baby.. its also his baby.
>Don’t get upset because the baby didn’t keep yall
>together.

its my understanding after she told Lawrence she was pregnant he dipped out to SF and told her to "keep him posted" he wasn't around for any of the pre-natal stuff but after the baby is born he wants to show up and be daddy of the year at least every other weekend lol

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64. "yeah.. that pre-natal shit is tricky"
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while women need support.. if you aren’t in a relationship its kind of hard to be there when yall arent together.

but once the baby is born its go time..

of course she is going to say all the things you want to hear to make you believe she is good doing this stuff on her own before the baby arrives.

Which is why I’m glad I never had to deal with anything like that. That resentment builds up and while she is saying he hasn’t been there for the baby… she really means he hasn’t been there for HER and the baby.

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61. "I had knocked the show for them not "growing up". They delivered. "
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At some point I thought they would have to start dealing with issues like marriage and kids and they came through in the final season.


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63. "I feel like they always had different characters at different stages..."
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in life. Tiffany was the married one and it was intimated that things weren't always rosy despite outside appearances. Molly was excelling in her career but struggling in her personal life. Issa was struggling in both areas. Kelly was Kelly lol.

I feel like it would be unrealistic for them to all get married and have kids at the same time because it doesn't always work that way with friends in real life. I have friends that got married and started their families right out of high school and some that waited until they were almost 40 and everything in between. For those that waited people see them with babies and small children and some folks are like "is that your grandchild?" "No this is my child." lol

>At some point I thought they would have to start dealing with
>issues like marriage and kids and they came through in the
>final season.

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65. "This is quite gendered tho."
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>
>I feel like it would be unrealistic for them to all get
>married and have kids at the same time because it doesn't
>always work that way with friends in real life. I have friends
>that got married and started their families right out of high
>school and some that waited until they were almost 40 and
>everything in between. For those that waited people see them
>with babies and small children and some folks are like "is
>that your grandchild?" "No this is my child." lol
>


With circles of women who are all around the same age (say, from college or high school etc) it's not uncommon for a majority to settle down within the same 5-7 year stretch.

There's prob a bit more variation with circles of men since the lack of a 'biological clock' (or not being socialized to feel one) likely allows for more staggering.

That said, times are changing... some men do want to settle by a certain age, it's becoming more acceptable for women to abstain from marriage and/or childbearing if they prefer, and advances in reproductive care and technology allow ppl to plan when and how they reproduce as well. So in the long run you may end up correct, lol. I wouldn't call it unrealistic at the moment tho.

  

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67. "I grew up with 4 sets of women.. and they all are like the Insecure grou..."
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where I grew up I had a real tight knit Black community and with 2 older sisters who each had a group of friends, friends my age and friends who were 2 to 3 years younger.. they all had similar paths.

1 or 2 go hard at school/career
1 gets married
1 or 2 are in and out of shitty relationships
1 who has no clue and is stuck in wtf mode.. lol.

these are all people who went to JR and HS together.

small sample size tho… but about 20 to 25 women.

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98. " Right. I think you're talking more about diff paths women take tho"
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I guess how I should've worded it is "of the women" in different circles who marry and/or enter motherhood, most seem to settle (with first spouse) within the same ~5-7y window if they're around the same age.

I hear what you guys are saying about our observations not necessarily being representative, however, and fair point. I guess for me "the window" (for lack of a better term) is seared in my mind bc there's absolutely no mistaking the flurry of wedding invites, gifts, baby announcements, gifts, bridesmaid expenses, etc during that window and the return to (a new) normal after it all dies down. lol

  

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68. "your sociology studies need a larger sample size"
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and also, you should probably remember it's TV. This is the story of a friend group of 20 people compressed into four or five because that's how you make things interesting.

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99. "Oh I know lol. Def just tv lol"
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Was just trying to say that I personally wouldn't consider multiple youngish women from the same age- and friend-group in a show marrying within the same time window an unrealistic depiction.

And ya, I still think the timing, circumstances, and societal expectations/stigma surrounding marriage and childrearing are gendered, even in this day and age; it's prob a lot harder to demonstrate empirically that it isn't.

  

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70. "RE: This is quite gendered tho."
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>>
>>I feel like it would be unrealistic for them to all get
>>married and have kids at the same time because it doesn't
>>always work that way with friends in real life. I have
>friends
>>that got married and started their families right out of
>high
>>school and some that waited until they were almost 40 and
>>everything in between. For those that waited people see them
>>with babies and small children and some folks are like "is
>>that your grandchild?" "No this is my child." lol
>>
>
>
>With circles of women who are all around the same age (say,
>from college or high school etc) it's not uncommon for a
>majority to settle down within the same 5-7 year stretch.
>
>There's prob a bit more variation with circles of men since
>the lack of a 'biological clock' (or not being socialized to
>feel one) likely allows for more staggering.
>
>That said, times are changing... some men do want to settle by
>a certain age, it's becoming more acceptable for women to
>abstain from marriage and/or childbearing if they prefer, and
>advances in reproductive care and technology allow ppl to plan
>when and how they reproduce as well. So in the long run you
>may end up correct, lol. I wouldn't call it unrealistic at the
>moment tho.

I feel like there's still a lot of variation because lot of people that got married young are not married now.

And I've noticed a lot of single professional women approaching 40 have given up waiting on marriage to have children.

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72. "or never really wanted either to begin with."
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>And I've noticed a lot of single professional women
>approaching 40 have given up waiting on marriage to have
>children.

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102. "Right. I should've clarified I meant first marriages"
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I emphasized it when responding to legs, my bad. I kind of feel like age/timing of remarriage(s) is a different beast and shouldn't be conflated.

But ya, we agree on your last point here bc I mentioned how advancements in reproductive care and technology provide more options these days. The only problem I have with it tho is there's still such a long way to go in terms of the pricing, insurance coverage, and marketing.

For example, during my last check-in with a fertility specialist, the cost to freeze eggs was about $10-15k and IVF cycles about $20-25k (*each*), and I was lucky to have really good insurance at that time that at least covered all the actual fertility testing they do beforehand. This was 2018. I also know a couple who spent well in excess of 100k on (unsuccessful) IVF cycles trying to conceive before throwing in the towel (on both having children and their marriage). And to even get to the stage of testing, price breakdowns, or trying cycle-after-cycle can be a hassle for some bc these services are, ironically, overwhelmingly marketed to partnered people.

So for us to speak of folks just lackadaisically being able to hold off and have kids whenever and/or without a partner, to the point that it could drastically shape marriage rates, is a bit of a disservice to the people for whom such a choice is inaccessible imho. It's very expensive and some clinics may or may not go to certain lengths for an unpartnered woman. They make the most money off couples who are desperate to procreate.

  

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53. "little demons lol"
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62. "Episode 3 felt like a Deadbeat Dad origin story!!"
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Very good. Felt like a super real conflict. They did a good job of presenting both sides and sure people felt pretty strongly both ways about it.

My wife and I saw it very differently. Surprisingly, she was very sympathetic to Lawrence and I was more sympathetic to Condolences.

She appreciated the brother really trying and I think personally as a dad I wouldn't let anything get in the way of my relationship with my kid and would have figured out I need to move back to LA to be present. I would even make a go at trying to make a relationship work for the sake of a kid.

That's just me personally. At the same time, I could see how a lot of dads would be just like "F' it", I am going to get it right with the next kid.

I didn't think I wanted to see a whole ass Lawrence episode but it was good relevant stuff and I hope to gawd him and Issa don't end up back together.

It was funny watching this show the same night watching and episode of Love Life on HBO about a girl (Jessica Williams) raised by a dad (Blair Underwood) who wasn't around and how it affected her relationships with men.


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66. "Lol ya I wouldn't have been mad if the season had started at ep3 tbh"
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So good.

I felt for both Lawrence and Condola; I can see how/why both you and your wife sided the way you did.

And ya, this was the season's first dose of the realness/awkwardness I've come to expect from conflicts/tensions on the show. They did a very good job of styling Condola to look as stressed out as a new single mom would likely be, and it really helps reinforce the change her and Lawrence's dynamic. As in, it's crazy to think how attracted/affectionate they used to be each other... and tbh I wouldn't even be able to picture them like that now (from either side) if I hadn't known lol. The contrast between her vibe and appearance last season and her vibe and appearance so far this season is so important to show imho. As is the contrast between her and, say, Tiffany, who had more of a support system in Derek and her friends/sorors even tho she had trouble adapting to motherhood too.

And yes I also hope Lawrence and Issa don't get back together. I would have preferred they stuck with the long-distance-and-doomed-to-fail storyline with them than Issa bailing the way she did without even trying like wtf smh. Annoying as hell. Then her weird reneg on Nathan smh, also annoying as hell. Personally I think Issa should just stay single for a while, but who knows what they have in store for her. But the Black woman not tripping abt being single while focusing on her friends and career def exists, and I wonder why they've been so reluctant to have Issa own that space. I'd much prefer seeing Issa demonstrate growth that way for the final season rather than more of the same hijinks with whatever dude(s).

  

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73. "It would be really dope if the series ends with her having options"
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but not pressed about any of them as she focuses on self and career.

The fact that her and Nathan are hooking up right now makes me think there will be drama between them before the season ends.



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74. "Of course there will be !"
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>The fact that her and Nathan are hooking up right now makes me
>think there will be drama between them before the season ends.

During the trailer for this season there's a scene we haven't seen yet of Lawrence and Issa making sex eyes at eachother from a distance at what looks like a wedding ? Or something like that.

So yea. The Lawrence/Issa storyline is far from done IMO and even if that weren't the case, it'd make for a pretty boring final season if her love life were settled in ep4 or whatever haha.

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69. "like the vignettes type storytelling"
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reminds me of the recent season of Master of None

hope it continues to dedicate episodes to other character struggles

  

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71. "I liked how EP4 refocused on the main characters, its looking like..."
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Issa and Nathan may be a thing but I think Lawrence moves back to LA and fucks shit up lol

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75. "Episode 4: The scene with the car ride of the dudes was weird, storytell..."
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Someone else mentioned earlier in the thread how strange it was to focus on non-central characters like Lawrence and Condoleeza Rice. Folks made a good argument about how Lawrence is more central than it looks but I will say seeing scenes with Nathan and his boys seemed so far removed from the main characters. Also there was nothing in that scene revealed about Nathan that we didn't really get from his scene with Issa.

Maybe a minor storytelling beef but there does seem like an unfocusness this far.

If the last few episodes spent a bit of time wrapping up the storylines for the other characters, that would be cool but it does seems like they are treading water with what to do with ISSA.


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76. "RE: Episode 4: The scene with the car ride of the dudes was weird, story..."
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>Someone else mentioned earlier in the thread how strange it
>was to focus on non-central characters like Lawrence and
>Condoleeza Rice. Folks made a good argument about how
>Lawrence is more central than it looks but I will say seeing
>scenes with Nathan and his boys seemed so far removed from the
>main characters. Also there was nothing in that scene
>revealed about Nathan that we didn't really get from his scene
>with Issa.
>
>Maybe a minor storytelling beef but there does seem like an
>unfocusness this far.

at this point Nathan is almost as much of a "central character" as Lawrence

thinking about it Daniel had multiple scenes as the the main character too

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77. "odd how people are tripping over scenes and characters this year "
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and its definitely about where Issa is going in her journey to find a relationship.


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78. "that ending scene for tonight's episode tho..."
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>and its definitely about where Issa is going in her journey
>to find a relationship.

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79. "yeah...and the preview for next week..."
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80. "I knew CrenShawn was coming back lol"
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81. "ending was great.. totally popped her bubble"
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82. "terrible"
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84. "I thought Issa's "dream sequences" were hilarious, even though the 2nd....."
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one was obviously fake lol

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87. "when she threw the baby I fell out.. lol"
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92. "RE: when she threw the baby I fell out.. lol"
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I think it was their commitment to playing it naturally for so long that got me. once it happened I cracked up and realized I should have seen it coming, but they held on so long I was convinced it was real.

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83. "Nathan is not an interesting character and the guy who plays "
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him is a bad, monotone actor.

  

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85. "I've been telling people for a few weeks she will end up with CrenShawn"
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94. "Wouldn't mind this tbh"
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Makes sense as we know from earlier in the series (i.e. Daniel) that she has a weakness for sexy dark-skinned artists who are a little rough around the edges lol

If the writers go there tho I would've preferred Issa remained (happily, productively) single for a while and demonstrated some personal and career growth before sparks flew btwn them by, say, closer to the series end.

Bc 5 seasons of her same quirky self-sabotage is too much. We all have to learn and grow in life, why can't she lol? Furthermore, Crenshawn's fuck-the-bullshit personality is so unlike the other men she's linked with on the show and would be most appropriate for a new-and-improved Issa.

  

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86. "Nathan is a light skinned version of Lawrence from season 1 ep 1. "
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96. "Lol! wat. Lawrence was like 10x more interested in Issa than Nathan"
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is. Additionally, Nathan seems a bit more together career-wise than S1E1 Lawrence, no? Like isn't he part-owner of that barbershop or something?

I see them as so, so, different.

But most importantly in the way Lawrence actually loved Issa, flaws and all, whereas Nathan is (understandably, based on Issa's mixed signals) cautious and seems to just be consenting to some casual relations.

I give Nathan credit for vocalizing his caution tho, I'm glad they had that conversation.

  

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108. "Nathan is ready to leave Cali"
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and Lawrence was taking Issa for granted in season 1 and only showed his “love” for her
once she cheated. I know he loved her but love looks different after years of dating and no real change in the relationship or in your career growth

Lawrence had no hunger or passion for living until he was single

but lets look at Issa now.

Career is in the shitter and she is sitting on a small ass couch with a dude who doesn’t know what he wants in life right now.

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112. "Lawrence bought Issa an ENGAGEMENT RING, did he not?"
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And iirc they began looking long before he found out about Daniel.

He was underemployed, not uninterested/uncommitted. Big difference.

But ya.. all Issa and Lawrence's Season 1 situation needed - for him to be who she desired in her post-breakup daydream sequence that ended the season - was a better job for Lawrence; and that's exactly what ended up happening. It's not like she adequately vocalized what was dissatisfying her so much until after she'd already cheated either.

And now that you mention it... I don't think I've liked 'Single Lawrence' throughout the seasons. To me... his hunger and passion improved because his *employment* situation changed and renewed his sense of purpose, not his relationship status. In fact if we focus exclusively on how he interacted with women post-Issa, Single Lawrence was just a garden-variety horndog randomly attracted to whoever lol. And even compared to Condola, with whom he seemed to actually want to make something work, I still think he was his sweetest/most-committed self to Issa out of all the women they've put him with.

So nah, no way I can defend Season 1 Issa lol; Lawrence didn't instigate/do her dirty at all. She fucked that shit all the way up. I respect your interpretation too tho.

  

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88. "agreed"
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but he was right though and they don't seem like a good fit. she's
childish/immature and he's troubled and aloof.

i love molly and the lawyer guy together, they seem like a good fit. i
hope it works out.

  

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90. "RE: Molly & Taurean"
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>i love molly and the lawyer guy together, they seem like a
>good fit. i
>hope it works out.

Yeah if one of them gets a different job.
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89. "Yea last nite I was wondering why they bothered bringing him back."
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IMO his storyline was at its natural end the last time. I didn't need to know anything more about him.

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101. "brought him back because Issa has no where to go without Lawrence"
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but the end of that last episode with them sitting on that small ass couch really felt like she is with another fuck up who hasn’t figured out wtf he wants out of life yet.

but also remember the whole “maybe I’ll leave Cali” was exactly what his fam was hinting at the prior week. Nathan stay on the move and just disappears on people.

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>but the end of that last episode with them sitting on that
>small ass couch really felt like she is with another fuck up
>who hasn’t figured out wtf he wants out of life yet.
>
>but also remember the whole “maybe I’ll leave Cali” was
>exactly what his fam was hinting at the prior week. Nathan
>stay on the move and just disappears on people.

There's a degree to which this is true but I think his criticisms of Issa were pretty on point as well. For someone who wanted to "take it slow" she was damn quick to tell him she loved him.

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105. "didnt she smash the homie on the ferris wheel?"
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Issa is messy af and she is using people again.

Its like anytime she gets with Lawrence she reverts back to the old Issa.

Her biz is in the shitter again and she is fake loving on Nathan.

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106. "at least a year has passed in the show's plotline"
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she *liked* him enough to practically stalk him after he ghosted on her a few seasons back

they're in a relationship now even if it's an early stage. it's feasible for her to love Nathan at this point while using him as a Band-Aid for Lawrence

  

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107. "Sure I don't disagree, but that wasn't my point."
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>she *liked* him enough to practically stalk him after he
>ghosted on her a few seasons back
>
>they're in a relationship now even if it's an early stage.
>it's feasible for her to love Nathan at this point while using
>him as a Band-Aid for Lawrence

I'm not saying she can't feel that way or that it wouldn't make sense from her perspective. I'm saying I can understand why Nathan would be frustrated and confused about her mixed signals, and why he wouldn't want to jump right into "I love you"s with someone who just a couple weeks prior was telling him they should take it slow, among other things.

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109. "based on her dreams it comes across like she loves the idea of love"
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like if she didn’t see Lawrence in the hospital would she use that word?

maybe..

but based on previous weeks it feels like she is trying to rush things to heal herself.

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93. "Is he in anything else? I haven't seen him."
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I get what you mean but I also felt like his delivery fit the character.

He does seem to exist pretty much as a foil to Issa's relationship choices right now. She starts trying to get him to say he loves her right after she realized Lawrence moved back.

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95. "He was in White Famous"
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And I actually like him in Insecure.
Seems like people I know.
And I like him as a counter to the super ambitious career folks we see in Molly, (new) Lawrence, and Issa.

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114. "RE: He was in White Famous"
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>And I like him as a counter to the super ambitious career
>folks we see in Molly, (new) Lawrence, and Issa.
>

yes, I wanted to say something like this but didn't know how to word it. like his character is less 'interesting' for a TV show but that's most 'normal' people. and making his character overly dramatic along with the bi-polar angle might have been too much.

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97. "I don't mind him as a character or the actor's delivery but I don't like"
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Nathan and Issa together as a couple.

Or rather, I don't like Issa for Nathan. She's always using/rebounding to him, and with his mental health issues I'd prefer to see him with somebody more sweet and consistent.

I was actually thinking that he and Kelly might have made a better pairing; that could've been an interesting sub-drama. They sort of pinned Kelly into being this one-dimensional horny goofball throughout the show, but a budding romance with a slightly-troubled-but-getting- back-on-his-feet dude could have been a good opportunity to show a more serious/sweet side to her as well as more depth. And with her expertise/stable job in finance/accounting maybe she would have been a good influence for Nathan not just emotionally but in a practical sense too.

If they had hit it off while Issa was re-connecting with Lawrence, then one early season 5 episode could've played out with a whole thing about "hey I kinda like Nathan, are you cool if I explore things with him" to which Issa could've given her (likely reluctant but sincere) blessing.

There would have probably been some (funny) awkward moments, but when is there not awkward moments with Issa lol. And if my little Crenshawn fantasy were to work out for her the way I hoped, then that would have been a perfect wrap to the series for me haha

I guess I'm not feeling season 5 as much as the others if I'm wishing for all these changes to the plot lol

  

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100. "lmao.. that is a whole other show"
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103. "lol!"
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110. "Kelly getting Issa's sloppy seconds? that sounds like a terrible idea lo..."
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and messy as hell even for that show. I could see Kelly getting with TSA first, at least Issa was never actually serious about him.

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111. "Lol. I think I don't see Nathan as Issa's 'sloppy seconds' bc "
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the writers haven't really allowed Issa to actually be serious about any men so far in the show, incl Lawrence imho. We've also not seen her slow down/reflect/learn from her mistakes even once. They've allowed Molly to grow in that sense, and Lawrence, hell even Tiffany.

But Issa just kind of reacts to the last thing that happened to her with a new/diff person. I'm not saying rebounding is a crime, we've all been there I'm sure (tbh I have a single gf that still dates this way lol), but it's just annoying to watch her patterns not be addressed after so many seasons.

So with that context, do I think Issa is or has ever been super serious about Nathan? No tbh. He's a friend she's hooked up with a few times when she doesn't want to confront her bs with Lawrence. Maybe it's not even healthy? And I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that he could develop a deeper and healthier connection with somebody else in the time they've known each other.

Would that person NEED to be Kelly? I guess not lol, you're right - it's a bit messy. But I also suggest it just bc I would've liked to see the writers give Kelly a little more depth like they did for other supporting characters (eg. Tiffany). For example, maybe his barbershop or therapist location or whatever could be on the same street as Kelly's office, and they bump into each other often and bond on occasion type thing.

The Insecure writers are smart, I'm sure they could have made it all flow realistically lol

  

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113. "the episodes are only 30 minutes and Natasha Rothwell is actually..."
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one of the writers for the show she probably has more say over her character than most of the other actors despite the #Kellyhive clamoring for more.

Also IRL in general friends tend to avoid their friends' recent exes/sex partners I can't see how a Kelly-Nathan thing would've worked if they had wanted to give her a boo they probably would've given more depth to the "Quantrell" character.

>the writers haven't really allowed Issa to actually be
>serious about any men so far in the show, incl Lawrence imho.
>We've also not seen her slow down/reflect/learn from her
>mistakes even once. They've allowed Molly to grow in that
>sense, and Lawrence, hell even Tiffany.
>
>But Issa just kind of reacts to the last thing that happened
>to her with a new/diff person. I'm not saying rebounding is a
>crime, we've all been there I'm sure (tbh I have a single gf
>that still dates this way lol), but it's just annoying to
>watch her patterns not be addressed after so many seasons.
>
>So with that context, do I think Issa is or has ever been
>super serious about Nathan? No tbh. He's a friend she's hooked
>up with a few times when she doesn't want to confront her bs
>with Lawrence. Maybe it's not even healthy? And I don't think
>it's beyond the realm of possibility that he could develop a
>deeper and healthier connection with somebody else in the time
>they've known each other.
>
>Would that person NEED to be Kelly? I guess not lol, you're
>right - it's a bit messy. But I also suggest it just bc I
>would've liked to see the writers give Kelly a little more
>depth like they did for other supporting characters (eg.
>Tiffany). For example, maybe his barbershop or therapist
>location or whatever could be on the same street as Kelly's
>office, and they bump into each other often and bond on
>occasion type thing.
>
>The Insecure writers are smart, I'm sure they could have made
>it all flow realistically lol

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115. "What makes you think I'm unaware Rothwell's a writer? lol"
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Anyway, I'm not saying friends dating each other's past dates is something to strive for, but it's also ridiculous to pretend it never, ever, ever happens...no? As long as all parties communicate/double-check, have completely moved on, and are comfortable with it, I don't see the issue. Furthermore, I even suggested that Kelly could have approached Issa about it first, which would have allowed for a wtf-hell-no if the writers saw fit. I truly believe they could have written it to play out in a tasteful manner tho.

I once set up a friend with a guy I'd hung out with a couple of times years prior (prob most similar to Issa and Nathan's vibe). We did not consider each other exes, and it wasn't a big deal.... There was zero chance of attraction resurfacing, I had since entered a relationship with a diff guy my friend had herself set me up with, and I was actually out with her when Nathan-guy noticed her and asked me about her in the first place.

He even went out of his way to call me later that week to press further for her info, and at that time I personally knew that she was not only bummed about being single but trapped in a toxic cycle of falling for taken men. I was more than happy to link her with a vetted, actually single, and normal 6'5 dude with an MBA, and she was intrigued enough that she approved me passing on her info in spite of me meeting him first like 2 years before that. Should I have blocked a potential love connection for no reason? lol. Literally nobody cared.

Issa never loved Nathan; I think with the right timing it would've been fine *shrug*

  

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116. "did you have sex with this dude or no?"
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>Anyway, I'm not saying friends dating each other's past dates
>is something to strive for, but it's also ridiculous to
>pretend it never, ever, ever happens...no? As long as all
>parties communicate/double-check, have completely moved on,
>and are comfortable with it, I don't see the issue.
>Furthermore, I even suggested that Kelly could have approached
>Issa about it first, which would have allowed for a
>wtf-hell-no if the writers saw fit. I truly believe they could
>have written it to play out in a tasteful manner tho.
>
>I once set up a friend with a guy I'd hung out with a couple
>of times years prior (prob most similar to Issa and Nathan's
>vibe). We did not consider each other exes, and it wasn't a
>big deal.... There was zero chance of attraction resurfacing,
>I had since entered a relationship with a diff guy my friend
>had herself set me up with, and I was actually out with her
>when Nathan-guy noticed her and asked me about her in the
>first place.
>
>He even went out of his way to call me later that week to
>press further for her info, and at that time I personally knew
>that she was not only bummed about being single but trapped in
>a toxic cycle of falling for taken men. I was more than happy
>to link her with a vetted, actually single, and normal 6'5
>dude with an MBA, and she was intrigued enough that she
>approved me passing on her info in spite of me meeting him
>first like 2 years before that. Should I have blocked a
>potential love connection for no reason? lol. Literally nobody
>cared.
>
>Issa never loved Nathan; I think with the right timing it
>would've been fine *shrug*

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117. "yeah.. what does hung out with mean? "
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I remember when white dudes started saying “hooked up” in college.

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118. "RE: yeah.. what does hung out with mean? "
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>I remember when white dudes started saying “hooked up” in
>college.
>
>Finally we realized they meant sex

right I'm old I need these terms defined, I was joking with a friend earlier that I was late to finding out what a "kickback" was lol

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91. "So, it's gonna be a race to the finish now"
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Seems like there's a lot happening for a series ending in what, 4 episodes.
But next week's girl party episode will probably lead to everyone figuring their shit out.

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119. "3 episodes left, hopefully it picks up"
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