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"Actor Alec Baldwin fired a prop gun on a movie set in New Mexico on Thur..."


  

          

Actor Alec Baldwin fired a prop gun on a movie set in New Mexico on Thursday, killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and wounding director Joel Souza, authorities said.

https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/alec-baldwin-fires-gun-movie-set-killing-cinematographer-authorities-say-2021-10-22/

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shit
Oct 22nd 2021
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Definitely wasn't a "prop gun" if it shot blanks
Oct 22nd 2021
2
I’ve been on movie sets with Guns that shot blanks
Oct 22nd 2021
4
Soooooo....it's a gun?
Oct 22nd 2021
8
      Yep. No difference. Prop guns are regular guns in most cases.
Oct 22nd 2021
9
is it still enough to kill?
Oct 22nd 2021
5
didn’t Bruce lee son die from an improperly prepared prop gun?
Oct 22nd 2021
6
      Yes. Brandon Lee was killed by a prop gun during filming of The Crow
Oct 22nd 2021
7
      this. doesn't it have to be fired at close proximity, though? how did ba...
Oct 22nd 2021
11
      the gun is real.
Oct 22nd 2021
12
      It had to be fired wild close…
Oct 22nd 2021
14
      clearly it was improperly prepared for the shoot
Oct 22nd 2021
15
           they first the you are taught in gun safety is always assume that the gu...
Oct 22nd 2021
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                more than likely it was the angle needed for the camera shot
Oct 22nd 2021
18
                ^^^ Alec trust that the prop man actually did his job
Oct 22nd 2021
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                if that's true I feel like the director was irresponsible
Oct 22nd 2021
32
                Bro, for real…
Oct 22nd 2021
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      Yep…a .44 revolver..
Oct 22nd 2021
16
now this is really sad.
Oct 22nd 2021
3
so incredibly tragic for everyone involved
Oct 22nd 2021
10
Jesus, terrible for everyone involved.
Oct 22nd 2021
13
Despicable as it sounds....Trump is probably somewhere laughin his ASS O...
Oct 22nd 2021
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he would be tweeting about it if he could
Oct 22nd 2021
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all for a movie
Oct 22nd 2021
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I am suspicious as to how the headline is framed.
Oct 22nd 2021
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Apparently a live round got into the prop gun
Oct 22nd 2021
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Why are live rounds even on the set, though????
Oct 22nd 2021
27
      Could have been left in the chamber and wasn't properly cleared
Oct 22nd 2021
29
      Verbatim the question I asked after Brandon Lee.
Oct 22nd 2021
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      Not as simple as that...
Oct 22nd 2021
31
      its sad but multiple people are responsible, unfortunately it will take....
Oct 22nd 2021
33
How did two people get hit?
Oct 22nd 2021
25
He was probably aiming towards the camera, with the
Oct 22nd 2021
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      damn...
Oct 22nd 2021
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      Yes but that then begs the question
Oct 22nd 2021
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           Right…
Oct 22nd 2021
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                AT the camera I can understand
Oct 22nd 2021
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                     So, reading the link Eclipsed posted…
Oct 22nd 2021
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& so now, it's starting to look worse:
Oct 22nd 2021
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wow
Oct 22nd 2021
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“there were two misfires on the prop gun, on Saturday…
Oct 22nd 2021
40
Truly can't exaggerate how much of a failure this is.
Oct 22nd 2021
42
woof
Oct 22nd 2021
43
damn.. now this sounds suspicious as hell
Oct 22nd 2021
44
      Raggedy as hell.
Oct 22nd 2021
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CGI question: could all gun scenes be CGI instead of prop guns?
Oct 22nd 2021
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i know Zach Snyder uses air guns and adds effects in post
Oct 22nd 2021
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a lot of effects people are saying that even with real/prop guns
Oct 22nd 2021
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that industry is sensitive when you talk about eliminating jobs...
Oct 23rd 2021
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Apparently all the John Wick stuff is done in post production.
Oct 23rd 2021
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another thing is this was apparently a low-budget film to begin with...
Oct 23rd 2021
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      I don't think CGI is very expensive for that
Oct 23rd 2021
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      Yeah, I think we all over-estimate the cost of CGI these days
Oct 23rd 2021
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           It's way cheaper.
Dec 03rd 2021
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      It honestly may be *cheaper* to do with computers.
Oct 23rd 2021
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No. Sound and muzzle flash is easy but...
Oct 25th 2021
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      that's bullshit
Oct 25th 2021
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      lol ok
Nov 08th 2021
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      IN NO WAY was John Wick remotely 'realistic looking'
Nov 08th 2021
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This dude
Dec 03rd 2021
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For fucking real. Just go away.
Dec 03rd 2021
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imagine being his lawyer and seeing this interview...
Dec 03rd 2021
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I imagine this was highly lawyered and theyd be proud
Dec 03rd 2021
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      LOL exactly.
Dec 03rd 2021
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      yup & yup
Dec 03rd 2021
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this dude said the gun fired itself.
Dec 03rd 2021
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he is pretty clearly just telling himself the story he wants to hear
Dec 05th 2021
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1. "shit"
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2. "Definitely wasn't a "prop gun" if it shot blanks"
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And the burning gas still comes flying out that barrel, even without a bullet in the cartridge.

Wondering if there were live rounds loaded.

  

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4. "I’ve been on movie sets with Guns that shot blanks"
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It’s a prop gun because it’s used during filming.

As opposed to a gun Baldwin brought from home.

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8. "Soooooo....it's a gun?"
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9. "Yep. No difference. Prop guns are regular guns in most cases. "
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Except for the replicas that are never meant to be or incapable of being fired.
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5. "is it still enough to kill?"
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>And the burning gas still comes flying out that barrel, even
>without a bullet in the cartridge.
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>Wondering if there were live rounds loaded.

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6. "didn’t Bruce lee son die from an improperly prepared prop gun?"
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A prop gun is still a gun

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7. "Yes. Brandon Lee was killed by a prop gun during filming of The Crow"
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the family spoke on what happened with Alec Baldwin and how similar it was to what happened to Brandon.

Brandon Lee's family speak out after fatal prop gun shooting on set
By Toyin Owoseje, CNN

Updated 7:42 AM ET, Fri October 22, 2021

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/22/entertainment/brandon-lee-family-speaks-out-halyna-hutchins-death-intl-scli/index.html

The family of late actor Brandon Lee has spoken out following the news that cinematographer Halyna Hutchins was killed and director Joel Souza injured after actor Alec Baldwin fired a prop gun on the set of the movie "Rust."

According to the Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office Hutchins, 42, was pronounced dead by medical personnel at the University of New Mexico Hospital on Thursday. Souza, 48, was taken to Christus St. Vincent's Regional Medical Center for care.
Lee, who was the son of martial-arts icon Bruce Lee, died age 28 in March 1993, while filming "The Crow" in North Carolina.
His name began trending on Twitter after members of the online community noted the similarities in the circumstances surrounding his death and that of Hutchins.

n a post on Lee's official Twitter page, his relatives expressed their condolences to Hutchins' family and insisted that such tragedies should never happen.

"Our hearts go out to the family of Halyna Hutchins and to Joel Souza and all involved in the incident on Rust," read the message from the account, which is run by his sister, Shannon Lee.
"No one should ever be killed by a gun on a film set. Period."
The Los Angeles Times reported at the time that the actor, who was on the cusp of movie stardom with his leading role in the surreal thriller, was fatally killed by a .44-caliber bullet when co-star Michael Massee fired a prop gun that he believed to be loaded with blanks.

Following an investigation, District Attorney Jerry Spivey announced that no criminal charges would be filed over Lee's death, saying that while negligence was a factor, there was no evidence of criminal wrongdoing, the New York Times reported in September 1993.

Lee's mother, Linda Lee Cadwell, filed a civil suit against the studio for negligence, which was eventually settled out of court, the Los Angeles Times reported the following month.
In 2005, Massee, who died in 2016 aged 64, said he had been left traumatized by the tragedy.

"What happened to Brandon was a tragic accident. It's something I'm going to live with ... It took me the time it took to be able to not so much put it in perspective but to be able to move on with my life," he told Extra TV.

"It's very personal. It's something that I wanna make sure when I work that it's never repeated. Therefore, I'm very conscious of things going awry on set."

  

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11. "this. doesn't it have to be fired at close proximity, though? how did ba..."
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shoot two people with the fake gun?

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12. "the gun is real. "
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the bullets are (supposed to be) fake.

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14. "It had to be fired wild close…"
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the blanks used have everything a live round has, except the projectile. It does have a wax wad at the end to hold in the propellant. That gets sent out of the barrel with a great deal of force.

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15. "clearly it was improperly prepared for the shoot"
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17. "they first the you are taught in gun safety is always assume that the gu..."
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is loaded, even if you KNOW its not, you unloaded it, you cleared it, you still never point in the direction of anyone or anything that you're not trying to shoot.

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18. "more than likely it was the angle needed for the camera shot"
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26. "^^^ Alec trust that the prop man actually did his job"
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32. "if that's true I feel like the director was irresponsible"
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19. "Bro, for real…"
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I can take my weapon apart and clean it…when I reassemble it I STILL treat it as if it’s loaded.

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16. "Yep…a .44 revolver.."
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supposedly loaded with blank ammo…and there was somehow a live round loaded and he was shot in the abdomen.

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3. "now this is really sad. "
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10. "so incredibly tragic for everyone involved"
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that woman had a son and a family...how horrible for them...she apparently was also very well loved in the industry and was super brilliant in her work...ugh

i also feel terrible for Alec and the pain and guilt he will carry forever over this...hope he's able to get the help he needs

and the crew who were there to witness it..omg...its a whole mess all around

i hope they scrap the film and don't finish it...especially since the subject of the film is a 13 year old boy who is on the run after an accidental shooting...yikes

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13. "Jesus, terrible for everyone involved."
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20. "Despicable as it sounds....Trump is probably somewhere laughin his ASS O..."
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24. "he would be tweeting about it if he could"
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21. "all for a movie"
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now it's become a real life horror movie within itself

  

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22. "I am suspicious as to how the headline is framed. "
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This isnt Alec Baldwin's fault. But alot the headlines focus on his role in this. It's only suspicious to me because the media and the right love feasting on AB.


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23. "Apparently a live round got into the prop gun"
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The prop masters union sent out an e-mail to its members this morning that a live round got loaded into the gun that was used. They're also saying the prop master on the film wasn't a member of the union, which is suggesting that he/she didn't properly check to make sure.

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27. "Why are live rounds even on the set, though????"
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Like why even allow the chance for confusion. It’s like there’s a huge bag of blank ammo next to a huge bag of live rounds or something. Goodness…how sad.

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29. "Could have been left in the chamber and wasn't properly cleared "
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and checked by the prop master on set...

  

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30. "Verbatim the question I asked after Brandon Lee."
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Why are we even taking this chance? How does this keep happening?

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31. "Not as simple as that..."
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See below from Brandon Lee's wiki - they really have to trust the crew to properly set up the prop gun:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Lee#Death

In the film shoot preceding the fatal scene, the prop gun, which is a real revolver, was loaded with improperly-made dummy rounds, cartridges from which the special-effects crew had removed the powder charges so in close-ups the revolver would show normal-looking ammunition. However, the crew neglected to remove the primers from the cartridges. At some point before the fatal event, one of the rounds had been fired; although there was no powder charges, the energy from the ignited primer was enough to separate the bullet from the casing and push it part-way into the gun barrel, where it got stuck (a condition known as a squib load). For the fatal scene, which called for the revolver to be fired at Lee from a distance of 3.6–4.5 meters (12–15 ft), the dummy cartridges were replaced with blank rounds, which contained a powder charge and the primer, but no solid bullet, allowing the gun to be fired with sound and flash effects without the risk of an actual projectile. However, the gun was not properly checked and cleared before the blank round was fired, and the dummy bullet previously lodged in the barrel was then propelled forward by the blank and shot out the muzzle with almost the same force as if the round were live, striking Lee in the abdomen.

  

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33. "its sad but multiple people are responsible, unfortunately it will take...."
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an incident like this to make Hollywood directors, actors, and prop people to start taking firearms seriously again, the Brandon Lee incident was almost 30 years ago and a lot of these people today probably weren't in the industry back then.

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25. "How did two people get hit?"
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The director and cinematographer.

Multiple trigger pulls?

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28. "He was probably aiming towards the camera, with the "
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cinematographer behind the camera, and the director behind her. So I can definitely see how one shot would kill her and injure the director.

  

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34. "damn..."
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makes sense...

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35. "Yes but that then begs the question"
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Why would someone even fire a blank at a manned camera?

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37. "Right…"
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if he was firing a weapon as a character in a movie, why would it be directly at the camera?

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38. "AT the camera I can understand"
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Why someone was at that camera I cannot

Let alone all the other things here.

Absolutely preventable and tragic.

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41. "So, reading the link Eclipsed posted…"
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the scene was supposed to be a gunfight inside a church and Baldwin was backing out of the church…and I assume firing while doing so.

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36. "& so now, it's starting to look worse: "
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as if the first news wasn't

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set

so the crew was pissed off at low wages, and mistreatment etc.

and walked off the set

and now someone's dead. I bet they'll try to blame the crew

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39. "wow"
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40. "“there were two misfires on the prop gun, on Saturday…"
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and one the week before”. SMH

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42. "Truly can't exaggerate how much of a failure this is."
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It takes SERIOUS lack of care, effort, and just general know how to fuck up THIS badly.

I don't know who is responsible. But whoever they are - this is going to be awful for them.

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43. "woof"
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44. "damn.. now this sounds suspicious as hell"
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45. "Raggedy as hell. "
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46. "CGI question: could all gun scenes be CGI instead of prop guns?"
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Is it cost prohibitive to add all the gun effects in post with CGI to avoid the risk of an on set death from a prop gun? Seems like you could probably save some insurance costs and how expensive would adding some CGI gun flashes and shell casing flying out be? Add the gunshot sounds in post too. And avoid any tragedies like this ever again….

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47. "i know Zach Snyder uses air guns and adds effects in post"
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but Snyder seems like one of the better folks in hollywood in general whether you like his movies or not

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48. "a lot of effects people are saying that even with real/prop guns"
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you still end up needing to add muzzle flash in post because it goes by so quickly that the camera doesn't catch it

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49. "that industry is sensitive when you talk about eliminating jobs..."
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as most are but Hollywood seems extra dramatic about it and everyone has unions

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50. "Apparently all the John Wick stuff is done in post production. "
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So I imagine it’s possible, and will likely happen after this.

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51. "another thing is this was apparently a low-budget film to begin with..."
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I'm sure CGI costs a lot more

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52. "I don't think CGI is very expensive for that"
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Corridor Crew fixed the John Wick stuff, and they are just a small house.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj3_R8nwy5Q

They can afford it on a movie with 'stars' for sure.

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53. "Yeah, I think we all over-estimate the cost of CGI these days"
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When people (including myself) hear "computer generated," most of the time our minds go to dinosaurs in "Jurassic Park" or giant spaceships in "Avengers: Endgame." But these days, even romantic comedies, where most of the budget goes to actors' salaries and location shooting, have loads of CGI shots, using it for stuff that we never notice.

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64. "It's way cheaper."
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There's a reason The Mandalorian shoots on a sound stage entirely painted over by a video game graphics engine, Game of Thrones sets would typically be a staircase and a couple walls to drag and drop textures from and John Wick is entirely faked other than the choreography.


The "problem" is, just go watch something like the extraction scene from Proof of Life (random example I just re-watched this week lol), all filmed out in the open with natural light and using squibs and real gunfire for all the effects and MAN does it look visceral. As long as the timing and blocking is locked in it's pretty easy to create a convincing gunfight.


Whereas John Wick partially always takes place in super dark locations because it's easier to just dim all those CGI gun and blood effects than try and match the lighting with the scene.


They don't go into it in this breakdown of the Extraction extraction sequence, but I'm seen the director say elsewhere that having the one shot that's fired during this sequence happen just off screen as the camera pans toward it was only partially for suspense, but also it removed a really difficult CGI render from an already super difficult and really grounded sequence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwn0J2OVDG4


It seems anymore that when directors or cinematographers opt for real gunfire (has ANY movie used squibs in the last five years or have we just given up?) it's mostly an aesthetic choice. They'll accept the fake blood but they just can't handle hacking a whack muzzle flare. Unless you're Sons of Anarchy in which case just embrace chaos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i17bKwWgGZs


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54. "It honestly may be *cheaper* to do with computers."
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It's an insanely easy procedure for any effects house-- there's literally a package you can download, and you can click, drag, and drop these standard "muzzle flashes" into the shot.

Every movie, even the cheapest ones, are already going to effects houses for little things here and there. Muzzle flashes are one of the quickest and easiest things to do, I've been told.

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55. "No. Sound and muzzle flash is easy but..."
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ejected bullet casings: harder
gun recoil: almost impossible using a prop gun if you're looking for realism

shooting a gun moves the actor's body in a way that's almost impossible for them to fake - so blanks will probably continue to be used for realistic scenes e.g. Heat, John Wick, etc.



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56. "that's bullshit"
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nobody needs FULLY REALISTIC GUN RECOIL to make an even half decent movie

some dude remade john wick with fucking nerf guns and it looked just fine

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57. "lol ok"
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58. "IN NO WAY was John Wick remotely 'realistic looking'"
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That shit was a super cartoon.

If they were using blanks then they didn't need to.

And I'm sure they weren't using blanks for *ANY* of the shots where he shoots people at close range.

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59. "This dude"
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https://www.avclub.com/alec-baldwin-says-he-has-no-responsibility-for-rust-dea-1848154303

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60. "For fucking real. Just go away."
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61. "imagine being his lawyer and seeing this interview..."
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...wtf was he thinking


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63. "I imagine this was highly lawyered and theyd be proud"
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The PR rep on the other hand …

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65. "LOL exactly."
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>RE: I imagine this was highly lawyered and theyd be proud
>The PR rep on the other hand …

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66. "yup & yup"
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62. "this dude said the gun fired itself. "
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67. "he is pretty clearly just telling himself the story he wants to hear"
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