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"Moderate Republicans attempting to form an alliance with Democrats"


  

          

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/11/opinion/2022-house-senate-trump.html

GUEST ESSAY

We Are Republicans. There’s Only One Way to Save Our Party From Pro-Trump Extremists.
Oct. 11, 2021


By Miles Taylor and Christine Todd Whitman

Mr. Taylor served at the Department of Homeland Security from 2017 to 2019, including as chief of staff, and was the anonymous author of a 2018 guest essay for The Times criticizing President Donald Trump’s leadership. Ms. Whitman was the Republican governor of New Jersey from 1994 to 2001.

After Donald Trump’s defeat, there was a measure of hope among Republicans who opposed him that control of the G.O.P. would be up for grabs, and that conservative pragmatists could take back the party. But it’s become obvious that political extremists maintain a viselike grip on the national G.O.P., the state parties and the process for fielding and championing House and Senate candidates in next year’s elections.

Rational Republicans are losing the G.O.P. civil war. And the only near-term way to battle pro-Trump extremists is for all of us to team up on key races and overarching political goals with our longtime political opponents: the Democratic Party.

This year we joined more than 150 conservatives — including former governors, senators, congressmen, cabinet secretaries, and party leaders — in calling for the Republican Party to divorce itself from Trumpism or else lose our support, perhaps by forming a new political party. Rather than return to founding ideals, G.O.P. leaders in the House and in many states have now turned belief in conspiracy theories and lies about stolen elections into a litmus test for membership and running for office.

Breaking away from the G.O.P. and starting a new center-right party may prove in time to be the last resort if Trump-backed candidates continue to win Republican primaries. We and our allies have debated the option of starting a new party for months and will continue to explore its viability in the long run. Unfortunately, history is littered with examples of failed attempts at breaking the two-party system, and in most states today the laws do not lend themselves easily to the creation and success of third parties.



So for now, the best hope for the rational remnants of the G.O.P. is for us to form an alliance with Democrats to defend American institutions, defeat far-right candidates, and elect honorable representatives next year — including a strong contingent of moderate Democrats.

It’s a strategy that has worked. Mr. Trump lost re-election in large part because Republicans nationwide defected, with 7 percent who voted for Mr. Trump in 2016 flipping to support Joe Biden, a margin big enough to have made some difference in key swing states.

Even still, we don’t take this position lightly. Many of us have spent years battling the left over government’s role in society, and we will continue to have disagreements on fundamental issues like infrastructure spending, taxes and national security. Similarly, some Democrats will be wary of any pact with the political right.

But we agree on something more foundational — democracy. We cannot tolerate the continued hijacking of a major U.S. political party by those who seek to tear down our Republic’s guardrails or who are willing to put one man’s interests ahead of the country. We cannot tolerate the leaders of the G.O.P. — in 2022 or in the presidential election in 2024 — refusing to accept the results of elections or undermining the certification of those results should they lose.

To that end, concerned conservatives must join forces with Democrats on the most essential near-term imperative: blocking Republican leaders from regaining control of the U.S. House of Representatives. Some of us have worked in the past with the House Republican leader, Kevin McCarthy, but as long as he embraces Mr. Trump’s lies, he cannot be trusted to lead the chamber, especially in the run-up to the next presidential election.


And while many of us support and respect the Senate Republican leader, Mitch McConnell, it is far from clear that he can keep Mr. Trump’s allies at bay, which is why the Senate may be safer remaining as a divided body rather than under Republican control.

For these reasons, we will endorse and support bipartisan-oriented moderate Democrats in difficult races, like Representative Abigail Spanberger of Virginia and Elissa Slotkin of Michigan and Senator Mark Kelly of Arizona, where they will undoubtedly be challenged by Trump-backed candidates. And we will defend a small nucleus of courageous Republicans, such as Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, Peter Meijer and others who are unafraid to speak the truth.

In addition to these leaders, this week we are coming together around a political idea — the Renew America Movement — and will release a slate of nearly two dozen Democratic, independent and Republican candidates we will support in 2022.

These “renewers” must be protected and elected if we want to restore a common-sense coalition in Washington. But merely holding the line will be insufficient. To defeat the extremist insurgency in our political system and pressure the Republican Party to reform, voters and candidates must be willing to form nontraditional alliances.

For disaffected Republicans, this means an openness to backing centrist Democrats. It will be difficult for lifelong G.O.P. members to do this — akin to rooting for the other team out of fear that your own is ruining the sport entirely — but democracy is not a game, which is why when push comes to shove, patriotic conservatives should put country over party.

One of those races is in Pennsylvania, where a bevy of pro-Trump candidates are vying to replace the outgoing Republican senator, Pat Toomey. The only prominent moderate in the G.O.P. primary, Craig Snyder, recently bowed out, and if no one takes his place, it will increase the urgency for Republican voters to stand behind a Democrat, such as centrist Representative Conor Lamb, who is running for the seat.



For Democrats, this similarly means being open to conceding that there are certain races where progressives simply cannot win and acknowledging that it makes more sense to throw their lot in with a center-right candidate who can take out a more radical conservative.

Utah is a prime example, where the best hope of defeating Senator Mike Lee, a Republican who defended Mr. Trump’s refusal to concede the election, is not a Democrat but an independent and former Republican, Evan McMullin, a member of our group, who announced last week that he was entering the race.

We need more candidates like him prepared to challenge politicians who have sought to subvert our Constitution from the comfort of their “safe” seats in Congress, and we are encouraged to note that additional independent-minded leaders are considering entering the fray in places like Texas, Arizona and North Carolina, targeting seats that Trumpist Republicans think are secure.

More broadly, this experiment in “coalition campaigning” — uniting concerned conservatives and patriotic progressives — could remake American politics and serve as an antidote to hyper-partisanship and federal gridlock.

To work, it will require trust building between both camps, especially while fighting side by side in the toughest races around the country by learning to collaborate on voter outreach, sharing sensitive polling data, and synchronizing campaign messaging.

A compact between the center-right and the left may seem like an unnatural fit, but in the battle for the soul of America’s political system, we cannot retreat to our ideological corners.

A great deal depends on our willingness to consider new paths of political reform. From the halls of Congress to our own communities, the fate of our Republic might well rest on forming alliances with those we least expected.

  

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There's no such thing as a moderate republican
Oct 11th 2021
1
I wonder how those Lincoln Project goons would feel about this
Oct 11th 2021
2
Didn't we find out that the Lincoln Project swayed no voters?
Oct 13th 2021
10
This is itself an extreme position.
Oct 12th 2021
4
      Fuck you. The Republican party is complicit in an armed insurrection
Oct 12th 2021
5
      ^^^
Oct 13th 2021
6
      Fuck you too
Oct 13th 2021
7
           RE: Fuck you too
Oct 13th 2021
11
           Your position is there are no moderates left
Oct 15th 2021
40
                What’s moderate with still identifying as a Republican?
Oct 15th 2021
42
                     Right. If you attenda KKK rally/march alongside them, you are a racist.
Oct 15th 2021
43
      Extreme is a subjective term.
Oct 13th 2021
8
           Id even disagree on this point. Their use of extreme is insulting and
Oct 13th 2021
9
                Scream it from the rooftops.
Oct 13th 2021
12
                That's the point I was driving at.
Oct 13th 2021
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                     And my point is what they’re saying is nonsense and shouldn’t be
Oct 13th 2021
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                          well ok then.
Oct 14th 2021
34
                               They called me extreme because they dont feel all neo confederates
Oct 14th 2021
36
                                    you're FBI because you're trying to dominate with F-bombs
Oct 14th 2021
38
                                         k
Oct 14th 2021
39
dont fall for the okey-doke
Oct 11th 2021
3
the Republicans who voted for Biden aren't complicit in an insurrection
Oct 13th 2021
15
They can be ex Republicans and vote for Biden
Oct 13th 2021
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      If they voted for Biden, they ALREADY ARE THE SOLUTION
Oct 13th 2021
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      No. They’re not. This is wishful thinking.
Oct 13th 2021
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           A vote is past-tense. They already did it. Not wanting to furthing that
Oct 13th 2021
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                Do they still identify as Republicans?
Oct 13th 2021
20
                     They already made a decision to reject trump. That's it. Any further
Oct 13th 2021
21
                          Was Nader pro Weather Underground ?
Oct 13th 2021
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                          Trump isn't the only problem republican, is the point.
Oct 13th 2021
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                               sorry but...rejecting trump is enough for me...trump was that bad
Oct 13th 2021
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                                    You should’ve said you were a dumb person from the jump
Oct 13th 2021
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                                    yeah, report that to headquarters
Oct 13th 2021
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                                         Im Black, I don’t have to create shadow boogie men
Oct 13th 2021
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                                    Literally every modern repug is bad. Including the ones we both named.
Oct 13th 2021
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                                         Purism is too much a Nader left-wing thing.
Oct 13th 2021
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                                              Was Nader Pro Weather Underground?
Oct 13th 2021
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                                              I welcome their votes for Biden.
Oct 13th 2021
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                                              Ho ass came in here name dropping Nader and can’t say but one talking ...
Oct 13th 2021
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                                                   He always brings up Nader
Oct 14th 2021
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      cosign 100%
Oct 13th 2021
32
RE: Moderate Republicans attempting to form an alliance with Democrats
Oct 14th 2021
35
I’m sure the coalition building Progressives will support this
Oct 15th 2021
41

MEAT
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1. "There's no such thing as a moderate republican"
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They can be ex-Republicans if they should choose to be, but they don't

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2. "I wonder how those Lincoln Project goons would feel about this"
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But hell, what do I know?

  

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10. "Didn't we find out that the Lincoln Project swayed no voters?"
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Like there are no on the fence republicans who just need to be persuaded with clever ads to do the right thing?


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4. "This is itself an extreme position."
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5. "Fuck you. The Republican party is complicit in an armed insurrection"
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attempt. And has continued down the path to subvert representative government under the banner of white supremacy.

Over here acting like some Coke Zero confederacy is better that the Civil War version

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6. "^^^"
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"Mindless populism embodied by Trump and Sanders are like a malignant wart on our body politic"

  

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7. "Fuck you too"
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There’s no moderate Klansmen
No moderate confederates
No moderate isis
No moderate nazis

The Republican banner is an extremist banner

Name one thing that theyre FOR that isn't subjugation?

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11. "RE: Fuck you too"
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lmao

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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40. "Your position is there are no moderates left "
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Not a single moderately leaning person left in the republic.

And you want me to convince you otherwise? Lol

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42. "What’s moderate with still identifying as a Republican?"
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Words have whole ass meanings and shit
Like Gruden is a racist. He may say he’s not a racist but his ass has said some racist ass things and behaved in racist ass ways, is he burning crosses on lawns? No. But he’s still a racist.
So just because someone says they dont hold the more extreme views of an extremist group, if they still identify with that group, particularly when that group IS extremist in nature then thats a problem.

And this is only even being debated because its white Americans
Nobody is talking about Moderate Talibans
Moderate German AFD
Moderate Hezbolah

Nobody says that shit. But white Americans from some of yall get all kinds of grace.

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43. "Right. If you attenda KKK rally/march alongside them, you are a racist."
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Even if you say you don't align with their racism, you do just by the act of associating with that group of people.

Repugs are that.

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8. "Extreme is a subjective term."
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I would argue that this statement is simply true if one examine the situation.

So in comparison to what is this position extreme?

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9. "Id even disagree on this point. Their use of extreme is insulting and"
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Reductive
What is a moderate supporter of the legacy of enslavers, what is a moderate eco terrorist, what is a moderate supporter of forced theocracy?
The Republican party is a globally extreme party
And to not only downplay that but to say that my acknowledgment of that is extreme is gross

I challenge anyone to name one thing that the Republican party stands for that isnt subjugation to their dogma.

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12. "Scream it from the rooftops."
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>RE: Id even disagree on this point. Their use of extreme is insulting and Reductive
>What is a moderate supporter of the legacy of enslavers, what
>is a moderate eco terrorist, what is a moderate supporter of
>forced theocracy?
>The Republican party is a globally extreme party
>And to not only downplay that but to say that my
>acknowledgment of that is extreme is gross
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>I challenge anyone to name one thing that the Republican party
>stands for that isnt subjugation to their dogma.

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13. "That's the point I was driving at."
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Extreme means nothing absent context. I actually agree that there is no such thing as a moderate republican.

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14. "And my point is what they’re saying is nonsense and shouldn’t be "
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Entertained as rational. Just because they want to co-opt the language doesn’t mean it’s a good faith statement.
Fuck them.

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34. "well ok then."
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36. "They called me extreme because they dont feel all neo confederates "
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Are bad.
The gall.

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38. "you're FBI because you're trying to dominate with F-bombs"
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that's the tactic

dominate with F-bombs



anytime someone tries to dominate - that's FBI

  

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39. "k"
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3. "dont fall for the okey-doke"
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15. "the Republicans who voted for Biden aren't complicit in an insurrection"
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The Republicans who voted for Biden are complicit in getting us out of trump's control.

...and....


anyone not willing to form an alliance with those Republicans who voted for Biden seem very very very close to that Nader purist thing that got 6 right-wing folks on the court - and you know I try to stomp that Nader left-wing thing all over the place any time I get.


Is there some more Nader left-wing logic that gets us more right-wing Supreme Court justices going on here? I'm ready to stomp that.

  

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16. "They can be ex Republicans and vote for Biden"
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Wed Oct-13-21 03:35 PM by MEAT

  

          

That despite everything the Republican party openly stands for, they still identify as Republicans IS the problem.

I don’t see how this isn’t glaringly obvious

Like let’s take this to an extreme
The Los Angeles Lakers come out tomorrow and they’re pro-child molestation. Like just all about it, proud of it, and want not only the freedom to molest children but want to prevent the majority of the country from doing something about it.

In that example are we really sticking by the people that say “well I’m a fan of the Showtime Lakers” and keep wearing the jersey but not buying tickets? No absolutely not.

Extremism calls for rejection. Complete and total rejection. There are no good Republicans. Period. Anyone that’s a good person for whatever that means isnt a Republican. Now are all non Republicans good? No. Fuck no. But there are zero good Republicans.

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17. "If they voted for Biden, they ALREADY ARE THE SOLUTION"
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THERE IS NO GOING BACK FROM THAT

  

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18. "No. They’re not. This is wishful thinking. "
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Fuck your child like emotional attachment to whiteness.
There is no redemption to current Republicans. Doesn’t matter on any level how cool they are to have a beer with or what a sports game. No good Republicans

The Republican Party is no longer a political party. Haven’t been for a while.
Not about to sit here and normalize extremist bullshit.

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19. "A vote is past-tense. They already did it. Not wanting to furthing that"
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DECISION OF THEM ALREADY REJECTING trump IS SOME NADER JUNK

  

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20. "Do they still identify as Republicans?"
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Again.

That despite everything the Republican party openly stands for, they still identify as Republicans IS the problem.

I don’t see how this isn’t glaringly obvious

Like let’s take this to an extreme
The Los Angeles Lakers come out tomorrow and they’re pro-child molestation. Like just all about it, proud of it, and want not only the freedom to molest children but want to prevent the majority of the country from doing something about it.

In that example are we really sticking by the people that say “well I’m a fan of the Showtime Lakers” and keep wearing the jersey but not buying tickets? No absolutely not.

Extremism calls for rejection. Complete and total rejection. There are no good Republicans. Period. Anyone that’s a good person for whatever that means isnt a Republican. Now are all non Republicans good? No. Fuck no. But there are zero good Republicans.

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21. "They already made a decision to reject trump. That's it. Any further"
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demands is the same Nader junk which is seeming like COINTELPRO to me.

  

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22. "Was Nader pro Weather Underground ?"
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Brew
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23. "Trump isn't the only problem republican, is the point."
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At this point the entire party is poisoned, and has been for a while - specifically top-level RNC leadership, donors, etc. Trump is just the current symbol representing the rot that is that quote unquote "party." If it's not him, someone else will step in to fill his role. And will probably be worse.

Reagan was really, really bad. Bush was horrible. Trump was abhorrent. Next step ...

Rejecting Trump is not enough. "Moderate" republicans need to either form their own party or join with democrats. Remaining a republican at this juncture is co-signing anti-democratic ideologies and behavior.

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c71
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24. "sorry but...rejecting trump is enough for me...trump was that bad"
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yep


McCarthy in the 1950's was bad. Nixon was bad. I know Republicans can always go bad...but I can't wait around for "pure" Republicans in order for me to advise a rejection of trump HERE AND NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

  

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25. "You should’ve said you were a dumb person from the jump"
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Better to be thought of as a fool than to prove it.

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c71
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26. "yeah, report that to headquarters"
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yep

  

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MEAT
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28. "Im Black, I don’t have to create shadow boogie men"
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Right now today there’s a growing insurrection group that also has the backing of numerous militias
Additionally a large number of oath keepers and three percenters are in law enforcement or associated with the military.
That’s what being a Republican means. Everything else is just window dressing.

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27. "Literally every modern repug is bad. Including the ones we both named."
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But not exclusive to those we named.

The only "good" republicans left the party. If they haven't left, they're not good.

I mean today's media will have us believe Liz Fucking Cheney is a "good" republican.

So. If that doesn't prove the point ...

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29. "Purism is too much a Nader left-wing thing."
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If they're willing to go against trump, that can't be rejected.


that's the same Nader logic to reject that.

  

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30. "Was Nader Pro Weather Underground?"
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31. "I welcome their votes for Biden."
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Wed Oct-13-21 04:24 PM by Brew

          

And even appreciate them ! I'm not rejecting that. It's important.

But I'm also not willing to "partner" with them on anything beyond that, unless they leave the party entirely. Until they do, they are not to be trusted.

I live in Massachusetts/Boston, where we often have a repug governor in an otherwise deep blue state.

Many people in my sphere will argue that Mitt Romney, or now Charlie Baker, are "good republicans," yet Romney voted with Trump positions nearly 80% of the time. Baker would (and will) do the same thing if he ever goes national repug. Only reason Mitt and now Baker seemed/seem "moderate" when they governed MA is because they were governing blue states. In these instances, RINO is actually an appropriate way to describe them.

But once they go national, they line up behind Trump and his disgusting ilk because that's what the RNC is now.

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33. "Ho ass came in here name dropping Nader and can’t say but one talking ..."
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37. "He always brings up Nader"
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yep

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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32. "cosign 100%"
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they are all pieces of shit until they reject the party. the ones that arent that bad are just smaller pieces of shit

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35. "RE: Moderate Republicans attempting to form an alliance with Democrats"
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https://youtu.be/am9BqZ6eA5c

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41. "I’m sure the coalition building Progressives will support this "
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They’re great at this kinda stuff.

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