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Buddy_Gilapagos
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"Poll question: Is purposely reneging in spades cheating?"


  

          

A friend recently revealed that purposely reneging during spades is part of their strategy at times (like if they know they aren't going to make their books).

I said that's cheatin!

Their argument was, it's not cheating. It's part of the game and the rules provide that if you get caught, the game goes on you just lose 3 books.

Their example was its like if you purposely foul someone to keep them from making their shot in basketball. Its not cheating, you just have to deal with the penalty for doing it if you get caught.

What say you?


Poll result (17 votes)
Heck yeah (5 votes)Vote
No, a penalty is built into the rules. (12 votes)Vote

  

  

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It's cheating. And I would never play with them again
Jul 21st 2021
1
its not cheating and i'd also never play with them again LOL
Jul 21st 2021
2
its technically cheating.. but its also part of the game.
Jul 21st 2021
3
its not cheating. Its a violation.
Jul 21st 2021
4
I think your friend's argument makes sense
Jul 22nd 2021
5
its built into the rules that the other players have to notice
Jul 23rd 2021
6
your friend has a good argument lol…
Jul 23rd 2021
7
how do you determine if someone "purposely" reneged?
Jul 23rd 2021
8
if they do it more than once in the same game
Jul 24th 2021
11
      again, what is the "purpose"?
Jul 24th 2021
12
           not sure I understand.. usually the purpose is to win a book
Jul 24th 2021
13
                I don't think you do
Jul 24th 2021
14
                     lmao.. ok
Jul 25th 2021
15
why would you do that?
Jul 24th 2021
9
Definitely part of the game. And if you’re slick you can
Jul 24th 2021
10
I understand reneging and the others don't catch it. But to purposely do...
Jul 25th 2021
16
It makes sense for sandbagging when keeping score.
Jul 25th 2021
17
      you sound like you might be one of those people who
Jul 27th 2021
19
           Not at ALL. Never done it and never seen it done.
Jul 27th 2021
20
                I’ve never seen someone try to intentionally get caught to avoid
Jul 27th 2021
21
                     lol right...because SOMEBODY gotta have a lot of Clubs...
Jul 27th 2021
22
not cheating, not a good strategy, and lowkey courting an ass whipping.
Jul 27th 2021
18

PimpTrickGangstaClik
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Wed Jul-21-21 11:48 AM

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1. "It's cheating. And I would never play with them again"
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The penalty is there just because you can't put "his ass will be banned from the table indefinitely" in the rule book.

It takes all the fun away from the game when people bend the spirit of the rules.

Intentional fouling in basketball is wack too and sucks the fun out of the game

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Damali
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Wed Jul-21-21 12:07 PM

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2. "its not cheating and i'd also never play with them again LOL"
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legsdiamond
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Wed Jul-21-21 12:59 PM

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3. "its technically cheating.. but its also part of the game. "
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I like the comparison to intentionally fouling a bad FT player or someone on a fast break.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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Cenario
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Wed Jul-21-21 01:17 PM

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4. "its not cheating. Its a violation."
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like fouling, traveling, double dribbling, out of boundds

Cheating is when its your deal and you try to hide a joker in your sleeve and skip yourself when dealing. That's cheating.

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chillinCHiEF
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5. "I think your friend's argument makes sense "
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The foul in basketball analogy is a good one.

  

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hardware
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6. "its built into the rules that the other players have to notice"
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Fri Jul-23-21 02:25 PM by hardware

          

so its fair imo

i used to accidentally renege a lot when i was first starting to learn to the point i couldn't trust myself. so if i noticed, i'd just save the card (if it was low) til the final hand where it was so obvious to everyone who was gonna win the hand, nobody actually looked at any of the cards.

  

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7. "your friend has a good argument lol…"
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house rules tho. Whomever house it is…make the rules.

  

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8. "how do you determine if someone "purposely" reneged?"
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11. "if they do it more than once in the same game"
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and they aren’t new to the game

its intentional.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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ThaTruth
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12. "again, what is the "purpose"?"
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legsdiamond
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13. "not sure I understand.. usually the purpose is to win a book"
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that they would’ve lost if they played it straight up.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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ThaTruth
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14. "I don't think you do"
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legsdiamond
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15. "lmao.. ok"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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kingjerm78
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9. "why would you do that? "
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10. "Definitely part of the game. And if you’re slick you can"
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get away with it. We’ll, if you’re slick and the people you’re playing against aren’t that good. If you reneg cutting somewhat hearts early in the hand, and your partner knows you well enough to understand what you did and not set you right back up with hearts, then late in the game you might be able to get away with throwing off that last heart you had once others have gotten rid of theirs and they might not notice.

But if they do notice the penalty is baked into the rules of the game. Do NOT do this is you and your partner aren’t on the same page. Do NOT do this if you playing with some for real Spades players, because they’ll remember the entire hand that you were cutting hearts.

For the above point about reneging to purposely get penalized, that would only make sense if you and your partner REALLY underbid and we’re about to get a big sandbagging penalty. So maybe if you’re playing with an inexperienced partner who didn’t know their hand and underbid. But even in that case there’s more subtle ways to cut down the books you’re winning - like butting heads, cutting your partner when they already won the book, etc.

  

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16. "I understand reneging and the others don't catch it. But to purposely do..."
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to avoid getting set is stupid.

You're still losing that hand if they snatch the three books.

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17. "It makes sense for sandbagging when keeping score. "
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If you’re about to get hit with a 100 point sandbagging penalty for underbidding, reneging and taking the 3 book penalty on purpose could make sense to keep you under 10 sandbags. Again if you’re doing this, either you or your partner are terrible at bidding, but if you’re experienced and your partner isn’t I could see this as a legit strategy.

If you’re not keeping score and just playing individual hands or rise and fly, there’s no way it makes sense.

  

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19. "you sound like you might be one of those people who"
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intentionally do it.. lol

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20. "Not at ALL. Never done it and never seen it done. "
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Tue Jul-27-21 02:30 PM by soulfunk

  

          

But I play a lot of spades so I’m just trying to think of a scenario where it could make sense. To be clear I’m talking about purposely taking the penalty, not trying to be slick and getting away with it - I’ve definitely done that.

  

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21. "I’ve never seen someone try to intentionally get caught to avoid "
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sandbagging.

I’ve always seen it done to steal a book.

When I have an Ace and a King of Clubs and that King gets cut.. best believe I’m watching like a hawk on those last 2 or 3 books.. lol.

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22. "lol right...because SOMEBODY gotta have a lot of Clubs..."
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>When I have an Ace and a King of Clubs and that King gets cut.. best believe I’m watching like a hawk on those last 2 or 3 books.. lol.

  

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18. "not cheating, not a good strategy, and lowkey courting an ass whipping."
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Niggas don't be playing when it comes to spades. I wouldn't play with someone like this and I DAMN sure wouldn't want them on my team.

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