"Poll question: Is purposely reneging in spades cheating?"
A friend recently revealed that purposely reneging during spades is part of their strategy at times (like if they know they aren't going to make their books).
I said that's cheatin!
Their argument was, it's not cheating. It's part of the game and the rules provide that if you get caught, the game goes on you just lose 3 books.
Their example was its like if you purposely foul someone to keep them from making their shot in basketball. Its not cheating, you just have to deal with the penalty for doing it if you get caught.
2. "its not cheating and i'd also never play with them again LOL" In response to Reply # 1
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legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79594 posts
Wed Jul-21-21 12:59 PM
3. "its technically cheating.. but its also part of the game. " In response to Reply # 0
I like the comparison to intentionally fouling a bad FT player or someone on a fast break.
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4. "its not cheating. Its a violation." In response to Reply # 0
like fouling, traveling, double dribbling, out of boundds
Cheating is when its your deal and you try to hide a joker in your sleeve and skip yourself when dealing. That's cheating.
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6. "its built into the rules that the other players have to notice" In response to Reply # 0 Fri Jul-23-21 02:25 PM by hardware
so its fair imo
i used to accidentally renege a lot when i was first starting to learn to the point i couldn't trust myself. so if i noticed, i'd just save the card (if it was low) til the final hand where it was so obvious to everyone who was gonna win the hand, nobody actually looked at any of the cards.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79594 posts
Sat Jul-24-21 08:06 PM
11. "if they do it more than once in the same game" In response to Reply # 8
and they aren’t new to the game
its intentional.
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legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79594 posts
Sat Jul-24-21 09:14 PM
13. "not sure I understand.. usually the purpose is to win a book" In response to Reply # 12
that they would’ve lost if they played it straight up.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
10. "Definitely part of the game. And if you’re slick you can" In response to Reply # 0
get away with it. We’ll, if you’re slick and the people you’re playing against aren’t that good. If you reneg cutting somewhat hearts early in the hand, and your partner knows you well enough to understand what you did and not set you right back up with hearts, then late in the game you might be able to get away with throwing off that last heart you had once others have gotten rid of theirs and they might not notice.
But if they do notice the penalty is baked into the rules of the game. Do NOT do this is you and your partner aren’t on the same page. Do NOT do this if you playing with some for real Spades players, because they’ll remember the entire hand that you were cutting hearts.
For the above point about reneging to purposely get penalized, that would only make sense if you and your partner REALLY underbid and we’re about to get a big sandbagging penalty. So maybe if you’re playing with an inexperienced partner who didn’t know their hand and underbid. But even in that case there’s more subtle ways to cut down the books you’re winning - like butting heads, cutting your partner when they already won the book, etc.
17. "It makes sense for sandbagging when keeping score. " In response to Reply # 16
If you’re about to get hit with a 100 point sandbagging penalty for underbidding, reneging and taking the 3 book penalty on purpose could make sense to keep you under 10 sandbags. Again if you’re doing this, either you or your partner are terrible at bidding, but if you’re experienced and your partner isn’t I could see this as a legit strategy.
If you’re not keeping score and just playing individual hands or rise and fly, there’s no way it makes sense.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79594 posts
Tue Jul-27-21 01:11 PM
19. "you sound like you might be one of those people who" In response to Reply # 17
intentionally do it.. lol
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20. "Not at ALL. Never done it and never seen it done. " In response to Reply # 19 Tue Jul-27-21 02:30 PM by soulfunk
But I play a lot of spades so I’m just trying to think of a scenario where it could make sense. To be clear I’m talking about purposely taking the penalty, not trying to be slick and getting away with it - I’ve definitely done that.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79594 posts
Tue Jul-27-21 02:44 PM
21. "I’ve never seen someone try to intentionally get caught to avoid " In response to Reply # 20
sandbagging.
I’ve always seen it done to steal a book.
When I have an Ace and a King of Clubs and that King gets cut.. best believe I’m watching like a hawk on those last 2 or 3 books.. lol.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
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