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Binlahab
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"Jacksonville rap war is demoralizing "


  

          

Its an epidemic of rappers killing each other which isn't news or new but is hella sad

This permutation of it tho...just overboard.

  

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It makes the beef between G-Unit/Murda Inc look damn near wholesome in
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Gotta love Vanessa Carlton for licensing 1000 miles
Jul 16th 2021
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lol at Vanessa having any say in that
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      She said she approved it. N/m
Jul 17th 2021
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I’m not all that religious but it feels like these dudes needed church
Jul 17th 2021
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these dudes needed fathers
Jul 17th 2021
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Just when you thought Chicago was bad.
Jul 17th 2021
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I only listen to one of em (Nardo Wick) because he dont diss
Jul 17th 2021
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Similar to the drill rapper / gang war that was supposedly
Jul 19th 2021
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Anyone got an article I can catchup on this? Haven't heard of it.
Jul 19th 2021
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I hate to say it but the guy who does the most online research
Jul 19th 2021
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That video is probably as thorough as anything you're gonna find
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      word the guy is thorough if nothing else
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Bruce Rivers Criminal Lawyer does a pretty good job
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i read this one today...gave me some insight
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Damn they on some super-predator type ish!
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      did u check the song? shit is outrageous fam smh
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           You know I saw it months ago and thought it great.
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           It’s surreal. Bibby was only 16 years old
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           the legitimacy is what people want
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           oh its definitely catchy and the visuals are entertaining...
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           My brain cant handle this.
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           Who is listening to and enjoying this music?
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                Remember Dre Day?
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                     I guess it's kinda similar, but kinda not
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never heard of these dudes either...
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Can we take a second to talk about how fucking lame of a diss
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If the person they're naming just died recently you probably
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      You're right
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Question is how'd we get from Pac/Biggie "never again" to this?
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Its a cliche but those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
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Music didn't use to be this easy to make
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that's history that they don't know/care about.
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good points
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cause that’s 30 years ago. Old news
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some of it ain't that far back and it goes to my question....
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      what old heads?
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RE: Question is how'd we get from Pac/Biggie "never again" to this?
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They've monetized the clicks on social media
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Should some of these artists be deplatformed?
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Yeah, I am all for deplatforming.
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I'd be shocked if their label doesn't get hit with some type of
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yall are old and panicking
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      call me old and panicking but 100 shooting weekends has my attention bro
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           I understand
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Is this drill? n/m
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I teach at an at-risk school in Jacksonville.
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Atruhead thinks you are old and panicked.
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      congrats on being a lame
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           so you didnt mean that when you typed it out? or you did?
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                you got me, champ
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Adwhizz
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1. "It makes the beef between G-Unit/Murda Inc look damn near wholesome in"
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Comparison

Yea you would have people getting beat up/stabbed but you didn't have people DYING at the rate they currently are

This current trend of trying make the most disrespectful tracks about your dead Opps as possible is a recipe for disaster

Are these fools even signed to labels?

R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
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shockvalue
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2. "Gotta love Vanessa Carlton for licensing 1000 miles "
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Fri Jul-16-21 09:58 PM by shockvalue

          

For a song (“Who I Smoke”) that is taunting by name and mocking the deaths of a bunch of murdered children, then getting self-righteous about people who criticized her for it. SMH.

  

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5. "lol at Vanessa having any say in that"
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Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

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When we unite we hedge amen

  

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shockvalue
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7. "She said she approved it. N/m"
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3. "I’m not all that religious but it feels like these dudes needed church"
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They have zero fear of an afterlife in hell, not enough to give even a pause.

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8. " these dudes needed fathers"
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>They have zero fear of an afterlife in hell, not enough to
>give even a pause.

  

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4. "Just when you thought Chicago was bad. "
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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6. "I only listen to one of em (Nardo Wick) because he dont diss "
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______________________________________

Navem nu, cuando sol
Tutu nu, vondo nos nu
Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

When the sun shades the ship
We sweat and life is not safe
To swim or to touch not
When we unite we hedge amen

  

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T Reynolds
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9. "Similar to the drill rapper / gang war that was supposedly "
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behind a ton of the shootings last summer in Brooklyn

Social media just sets the fire burning hotter because dudes shoot and then taunt, and the pressure is put on the target of that to respond.

The fact that there is real money behind the success of new songs that include direct reference to victims of violence kind of reinforces the negative trend.

  

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10. "Anyone got an article I can catchup on this? Haven't heard of it. "
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Though I feel like I've been seeing a lot of articles of crime stories that begin with "Rapper wanted for X shooting"


Edit: Did a quick google search and see that its one gang called ATK vs. another gang called KTA and all I can think of was this:


https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/4/4d/Bele_and_Lokai.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20081215234656&path-prefix=en


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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11. "I hate to say it but the guy who does the most online research"
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into this stuff is Trap Lore Ross

Annoying as fuck, but really well informed and does a huge amount of research.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyIO3B5EFpM

  

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15. "That video is probably as thorough as anything you're gonna find"
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It's long as fuck, but work is slow. Watched half yesterday, gonna finish it today.

Thanks for posting that.

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"There is only one god and his name is death. And there is only one thing we say to death: not today."

  

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29. "word the guy is thorough if nothing else"
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I put my dude onto the Brooklyn Woo vs Choo / Drill rap vid and he put me onto the Jacksonville vid but I haven't watched yet

  

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12. "Bruce Rivers Criminal Lawyer does a pretty good job"
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reviewing these types of matters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhC1zrIgRZE

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13. "i read this one today...gave me some insight"
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https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/rise-and-grind-yungeen-ace-speaks-on-jacksonville-rap-beef-and-favorite-king-von-memory-news.134871.html

  

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14. "Damn they on some super-predator type ish!"
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So they made a song mocking and claiming to have killed several people they named in the song?!?!

Tupac didn't even go that hard.


These kids ain't going to make it.



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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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18. "did u check the song? shit is outrageous fam smh"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFfGgeddAc4

  

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22. "You know I saw it months ago and thought it great. "
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I was like, these young boys got a good sense of humor. Had no idea that they were dancing on real graves.


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26. "It’s surreal. Bibby was only 16 years old"
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Tue Jul-20-21 11:36 AM by shockvalue

          

Some video editor made that title in after effects, so it could pop up and emphasize the name of the real murdered black child whose death they’re celebrating— “Bibby”. (Aces friend and frequent musical collaborator Ksoo is facing trial for this murder).

And Vanessa Carlton licensed the sample for the song, and is presumably making royalties off the pain this is inflicting on those young men’s families, while her Twitter profile continues to read, yep, BLM.

  

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28. "the legitimacy is what people want"
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King Von for example was a flat out serial killer who rapped as a hobby

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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41. "oh its definitely catchy and the visuals are entertaining..."
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but once you dig even slightly deeper you realize how sinister the spirit behind this (and alot of other songs by some of these young dudes) song is. there were virtually 100 shootings in chicago over 4th of july wknd...these lil dudes are possessed by demons.

>I was like, these young boys got a good sense of humor. Had
>no idea that they were dancing on real graves.
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>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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23. "My brain cant handle this. "
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On the other hand, the cartels south of the border BEEN on this already.

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33. "Who is listening to and enjoying this music?"
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Other than the beat, I can't see what would be the appeal . It seems too personal/specific.

Like are people singing along with the chorus saying the dead folks names and everything?

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34. "Remember Dre Day?"
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Tue Jul-20-21 12:30 PM by shockvalue

          

There wasn’t much that was relatable about that. The vicious stuff about Tim Dog and Eazy was appealing to my 12 year old self because of how real and vibrant it was, even tho I didn’t know about the subjects. It endeared me to the narrator because somehow that outre machismo felt liberating.

  

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35. "I guess it's kinda similar, but kinda not"
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Those diss tracks were more like watching two people roasting each other. It's entertaining to see who can make the best diss even if you don't know the people involved.

This is on a whole different level. I'm just imagining a club playing this song with the DJ dropping the beat out and the crowd yelling some dead kid's name smh

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25. "never heard of these dudes either..."
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https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/entertainment/music/yungeen-ace-julio-foolio-jacksonville-rappers-rival-groups-atk-kta-in-deadly-beef-who-i-smoke-when-i-see-you/77-6d993faa-b014-4d8c-99be-de8d9fcdb948

https://www.complex.com/music/jacksonville-rap-explosive-rise/

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16. "Can we take a second to talk about how fucking lame of a diss"
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Tue Jul-20-21 09:29 AM by Hitokiri

  

          

"smoking on a ________ pack" is?
That shit upsetting people is wild to me.
If ya'll don't gtfoh with this lame ass, imaginary ass, metaphor posing as a supreme disrespect.

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37. "If the person they're naming just died recently you probably"
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don't have to try THAT hard to get their friends/family upset

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39. "You're right"
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maybe I should place more of the blame on the people using this lame ass dis.

Hey, I'm smoking this blunt and I'm gonna pretend that what I'm actually smoking is my dead rival, that's hard, right?

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"There is only one god and his name is death. And there is only one thing we say to death: not today."

  

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17. "Question is how'd we get from Pac/Biggie "never again" to this?"
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After Pac/Biggie died, the hip-hop community was adamant that something like that should and would never happen again.

High profile rap beefs after that (Jay/Nas, Game/50, Cam/JJ) never even had a hint of turning violent for real.

Now cats are getting smoked like it's no thang. It's almost expected. It's troubling.

Did the oldheads drop the ball?
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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

  

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19. "Its a cliche but those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. "
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I bet this kids don't know nothing about the biggie - tupac beef.

It would be nice to see an OG step up and make these boys sit down and squash the beef.

Uncle Luke? Rick Ross? IDK.



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20. "Music didn't use to be this easy to make"
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ANYBODY can be a musician now.

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24. "that's history that they don't know/care about."
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the 'community' has is way better than it used to be and no way to gatekeep on street shit. not that there every really was.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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32. "good points"
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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

  

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27. "cause that’s 30 years ago. Old news "
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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31. "some of it ain't that far back and it goes to my question...."
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....why the oldheads let it get like this?

Same as violence happening in the neighborhood. People complain and cry about it, but don't know where their kids are on a school night.

This shit ain't croppin' up outta nowhere. No OG's to be found?
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49. "what old heads?"
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these kids arent part of a "music scene"

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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40. "RE: Question is how'd we get from Pac/Biggie "never again" to this?"
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>After Pac/Biggie died, the hip-hop community was adamant that
>something like that should and would never happen again.
>

THAT hip hop community is over 40. They aren't these 12-18 yr olds currently out here getting it.

Social Media was a paradigm shift for the hood.

Anyone remember the digital divide? that shit is long gone. Smart Phones leap frogged that whole thang but w/o a roadmap.

We can't act like violence is worse than the 90s. But it is extremely more visible. While reading up on this a cop made a good point.

Social media and rap songs are the new graffiti...

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Binlahab
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21. "They've monetized the clicks on social media"
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Violence brings notoriety.

More clicks & views...more money.

Not rocket science.

And if it takes killing or dying or life in prison well nobody really cares that much

  

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shockvalue
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30. "Should some of these artists be deplatformed?"
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It’s a thorny issue as I’m loathe to ever censor music or free expression. It’s still fuck C. Delores Tucker…. But aren’t these guys encouraging/threatening violence in as direct a way as possible?

  

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36. "Yeah, I am all for deplatforming. "
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Think about it, if there was a youtube video, that wasn't a song, bragging and mocking the murder of a 16 year old, it would b taken down in a heartbeat.


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38. "I'd be shocked if their label doesn't get hit with some type of"
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lawsuit from the families of the legit deceased parties they're mentioning.

R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
Dec 29th 2009 - Dec 17th 2017

  

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atruhead
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42. "yall are old and panicking"
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gang members, drug dealers and everyday people have been killing each other over money, turf, women or (perceived) disrespect since forever

rapping about it isnt comfortable or "okay", but a percentage of black Americans are in survival mode facing a socioeconomic crisis, and that's a bigger issue than songs about it

hell, the crunk era was practically commanding niggas to harm each other

  

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mikediggz
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44. "call me old and panicking but 100 shooting weekends has my attention bro"
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these cities are warzones and it aint old niggas like us leading the crusades. i read something that said ny hasnt seen these crime rates in decades

  

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atruhead
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45. "I understand"
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NorthWeezy
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43. "Is this drill? n/m"
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Sofian_Hadi
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46. "I teach at an at-risk school in Jacksonville."
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My students have literally fought and been murdered outside of school over these dumb ass rap beefs, which are tied to neighborhood beefs as well. I lose about two to three students per year to murder. Another four to five to prison. Our school only has about 120 per year on average.

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Buddy_Gilapagos
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47. "Atruhead thinks you are old and panicked. "
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atruhead
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48. "congrats on being a lame"
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cgonz00cc
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50. "so you didnt mean that when you typed it out? or you did?"
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those are kinda the only 2 options

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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atruhead
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51. "you got me, champ"
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>those are kinda the only 2 options


here are two more options:

- "you're old and panicking" applied equally across the board to a guy typing about it and a guy in the eye of the storm

- "you're old and panicking" just applied to people only typing about it and you're being as lame/bored as Buddy Gilapogos trying to get replies out of me

  

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