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"Sha'Carri Banned After Testing Positive for Marijuana"


          

https://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/57692193

Tokyo 2020: US sprinter Sha'Carri Richardson set to miss Olympic Games after positive cannabis test


US sprinter Sha'Carri Richardson has received a one-month ban after testing positive for marijuana - and is set to miss the Tokyo Olympics.

The 21-year-old won the 100m at the US Olympic trials in Oregon in June and earlier this year ran the sixth-fastest time in history.

But the Texan's positive test means her qualification result has been expunged.

"Don't judge me, because I am human, I just happen to run a little faster," she told NBC's Today show.

The athlete's positive test came at the Olympic trials event, where she finished well clear of the field in 10.86secs

The trials came just a week after the death of her biological mother, and Richardson explained she had used cannabis as a way of coping.

"I apologise for the fact that I didn't even know how to control my emotions or deal with that during that time," she told the US broadcaster on Friday.

As Richardson was giving her interview, the US Anti-Doping Agency (Usada) announced she had accepted the suspension for what it said was "a substance of abuse" rather than for enhancing performance.

"The rules are clear, but this is heartbreaking on many levels," said Usada chief executive Travis Tygart.

"Hopefully, her acceptance of responsibility and apology will be an important example to us all that we can successfully overcome our regrettable decisions, despite the costly consequences of this one to her."

The ban runs from the date of her provisional suspension, 28 June.

In theory she could be free to compete at the Olympics as her suspension ends before Tokyo's track and field programme begins on 30 July.

But her results at the trials have been wiped out and Usada said her eligibility for Tokyo would be a decision for US Track and Field (USATF) and the US Olympic and Paralympic Committee.

When asked whether she still hoped to take part in the Games, Richardson said she would focus on herself, and suggested she would not be competing in Tokyo.

"I greatly apologise if I let you guys down - and I did. This will be the last time the US comes home without a gold in the 100m," she added.

"I'm 21, I'm very young, I have plenty of Games left in me to compete in and plenty of talent that backs me up because everything I do comes naturally to me, no steroids or anything.

"This incident was about marijuana so after my sanction is up I'll be back. Next time I step on the track I'll be ready for whatever anti-doping agencies come and get whatever they need because this will never happen again."

USATF said it would be supporting the sprinter.

"Sha'Carri Richardson's situation is incredibly unfortunate and devastating for everyone involved," it said. "Athlete health and well-being continue to be one of USATF's most critical priorities and we will work with Sha'Carri to ensure she has ample resources to overcome any mental health challenges now and in the future."

Cannabis is prohibited by the World Anti-Doping Agency, and carries a ban of up to four years.

However, that can be reduced to three months if athletes can show taking it was not related to sports performance.

Any ban can be reduced further still, to one month, if athletes agree to a treatment programme.

  

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This is so sad to me, given the connection to her bereavement
Jul 02nd 2021
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...
Jul 02nd 2021
2
I don't think there's much they can do
Jul 02nd 2021
3
      I hear ya
Jul 02nd 2021
7
      Yeah, best case maybe bend the relay pool rules?
Jul 02nd 2021
9
           In what ways does qualifying for 4x100m differ from qualifying for 100m?
Jul 02nd 2021
10
           She received a 30 day ban. It will be over before the 4x1
Jul 02nd 2021
13
           it's a 30-day suspension and the 4/100 happens after that 30-days...
Jul 02nd 2021
14
           Not a dumb question - just weirdly complicated
Jul 02nd 2021
15
                dope answer (pun intended) thanks!
Jul 02nd 2021
17
                interesting
Jul 02nd 2021
20
           Nah I'm not happy about the Mboma thing
Jul 02nd 2021
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                Fair enough!
Jul 02nd 2021
18
                     Fuck these regulators and their scientific racism.
Jul 02nd 2021
25
                          Somebody wrote "not eligible for female classification"
Jul 03rd 2021
33
for weed? I’m supposed to believe Phelps and those other swimmers
Jul 02nd 2021
4
ryan lochte
Jul 02nd 2021
5
Michael Phelps was suspended for 3 months over a PICTURE of him smoking.
Jul 02nd 2021
19
      okay.. at least there is some consistency
Jul 02nd 2021
26
           That’s the thing. Most OLYMPIC athletes know when not to smoke it
Jul 02nd 2021
27
way to f up the bag
Jul 02nd 2021
6
Ya I was rooting for her
Jul 02nd 2021
8
This was about to potentially change her life and make her a superstar.
Jul 02nd 2021
23
      What do you think this means?
Jul 02nd 2021
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           It's really not that deep
Jul 03rd 2021
35
damn 🙁🙁🙁
Jul 02nd 2021
11
Right.
Jul 02nd 2021
12
STAY OFF THE WEED-UH! (c) Stephen A Smith
Jul 02nd 2021
21
what a dumb rule.
Jul 02nd 2021
22
Apparently Olympic Committee rules are Joe Biden’s fault.
Jul 02nd 2021
28
unsurprising given the author.
Jul 02nd 2021
30
Self Sabatoge 101
Jul 02nd 2021
29
feel like folks are kinda downplaying the trauma part
Jul 03rd 2021
31
My issue is people that are like "told you she doesn't belong there...
Jul 03rd 2021
32
Gross. Glad I haven't seen/heard anyone say this type of bullshit.
Jul 04th 2021
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I tried to stay away from this GD thread on the issue because
Jul 03rd 2021
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      I did not know this
Jul 03rd 2021
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           thats largely because its bullshit lol
Jul 03rd 2021
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                I take it you’ve never run track and field or participated
Jul 03rd 2021
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                Has anyone confirmed she smoked it?
Jul 06th 2021
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                     SMH
Jul 08th 2021
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                          RE: SMH
Jul 08th 2021
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                               spoken like american who has no endurance sport experience
Jul 08th 2021
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                                    Exactly.
Jul 08th 2021
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                You stop following the rule after they change it and it stops
Jul 04th 2021
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Absolutely ridiculous rule, that she should have followed
Jul 03rd 2021
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It's probably the CBD, but weed really relaxes your body...
Jul 05th 2021
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placebo effect being overlooked
Jul 06th 2021
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Placebo effect? Lol
Jul 06th 2021
44
she's excluded from the 4x100 relay team ☹️
Jul 06th 2021
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I will watch 0 seconds of the Olympics this year.
Jul 07th 2021
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      ^^^This is dumb, like really dumb.
Jul 07th 2021
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           Super cool story bro.
Jul 08th 2021
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                inbox
Jul 08th 2021
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                     ?
Jul 08th 2021
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does this have a lot (or anything) to do with Japan?
Jul 08th 2021
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I don't think it's that deep
Jul 08th 2021
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Its bullshit. First off, Sha'Carri gonna be alright, shes young
Jul 08th 2021
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Brianna did nothing wrong?
Jul 08th 2021
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Nah you got the storyline all wrong
Jul 08th 2021
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      RE: Nah you got the storyline all wrong
Jul 08th 2021
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           Never said it was a fake excuse. I said she forged documents
Jul 08th 2021
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           RE: ......WELP
Feb 14th 2022
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I feel like 'Cism got us so jaded we have a hard time believing in rules...
Jul 08th 2021
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What's telling is that the track and field community is silent
Jul 09th 2021
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Rules is rules...she isn't even outraged.
Jul 11th 2021
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You should have not wasted your time with a reply to such
Jul 11th 2021
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      Took a (years long) break from the boards
Jul 12th 2021
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its no different than athletes in any other sport getting busted
Jul 12th 2021
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      Yeah, i was thinking more of former athletes
Jul 12th 2021
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           I think the fact that this is an international sport skews ppls percepti...
Jul 12th 2021
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hmmm.
Aug 23rd 2021
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If you are following her twitter I have guesses what this means.
Aug 23rd 2021
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MAN
Aug 25th 2021
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now shes going at allyson felix.
Aug 25th 2021
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yeah, she gotta go sit down somewhere.
Aug 25th 2021
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she might be on something stronger than weed wtf
Aug 25th 2021
75
she liked this tweet about jamaicans too.
Aug 25th 2021
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man she really a lame
Aug 25th 2021
78
she got those eyes in that photo..
Aug 25th 2021
77
Shes a 19 year old sprinter. Have yall been around any sprinters?
Aug 25th 2021
79
And from Dallas
Aug 25th 2021
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      yea. ima stall her out though she young.
Aug 26th 2021
83
Oh please.
Aug 26th 2021
84
A sprinter is speaking rudely about her colleagues?!
Aug 26th 2021
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      Ive met TWO nice sprinters my entire life. Marshavette Hooker
Aug 26th 2021
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show of hands, who in this post was emotionally mature at age 21
Aug 25th 2021
82
Seriously. AND learning about your mother's death in an
Aug 26th 2021
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No one makes her use social media. *shrug*
Aug 26th 2021
87
its a different world.. then where we came from
Aug 26th 2021
88
It’s not even that deep TBH
Aug 26th 2021
89
I don't think anyone is saying she is a terrible person. Ppl are saying ...
Aug 26th 2021
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      Helping her…do what?
Aug 26th 2021
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           Because arguing on Social Media has never helped anyone ever.
Aug 22nd 2023
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                Seems to have not harmed her
Aug 22nd 2023
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I think she needs people around her to give her better advice
Aug 26th 2021
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2 or 3 months ago most people here didn't know who she was, now she's an...
Aug 26th 2021
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This ain’t got nothing to do with mental health or the spotlight
Aug 26th 2021
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      exactly, she's been known in the track and field world, mainstream...
Aug 26th 2021
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           I agree.
Aug 26th 2021
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                Interesting. Btwn this and Emmanuel Acho's jabs at her
Aug 26th 2021
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                     It’s people like you that will cause her to fail
Aug 26th 2021
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                          How so? By rooting for her, defending her, and sympathizing
Aug 26th 2021
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                          I don’t know what page you’re on.
Aug 26th 2021
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                               Because you wanna talk in circles. I quoted you in #99 wtf lol
Aug 26th 2021
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                                    Big upping one’s self after a defeat?
Aug 26th 2021
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                          RE: It’s people like you that will cause her to fail
Aug 26th 2021
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                               He wasn’t liked in the Track and Field community.
Aug 26th 2021
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That is not an acceptable excuse. Track and Field is flooded
Aug 26th 2021
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So because mature 21yos exist, they all should be ?
Aug 26th 2021
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I didnt make an excuse, I stated a fact
Aug 26th 2021
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      Quit using age as an excuse, when the problem is preparation
Aug 26th 2021
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           not sure you know the definition of an excuse
Aug 26th 2021
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yeah
Aug 26th 2021
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      this story is receiving the correct amount of attention
Aug 27th 2021
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RE: Sha'Carri Banned After Testing Positive for Marijuana
Feb 14th 2022
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because she is a minor she needs to be protected from harm? wtf
Feb 15th 2022
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How......in.......the.........fuck?
Feb 15th 2022
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This is crap, but it ain't the same
Feb 15th 2022
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Fuzz that. This is the country of shitty rules used to oppress people
Feb 15th 2022
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      BS enforcement, I agree. Racist rule? Gotta disagree
Feb 15th 2022
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           you are intentionally missing the point
Feb 15th 2022
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           Not sure I agree. At least not intentionally
Feb 15th 2022
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           Russia is also taking advantage of the rule for minors.
Feb 15th 2022
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           good to know you're in favor of caster semenya running now
Feb 15th 2022
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           My guy, the whole system is trash if either rule or enforcement is racis...
Feb 16th 2022
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           yeah.. spenz is simplifying this for some reason
Feb 16th 2022
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           You're acting like the only 2 ppl ever w/doping violations is ShaCarri a...
Feb 16th 2022
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           ^^^ Russia coming off a ban in the summer games
Feb 16th 2022
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           Ummmmm.... a bit of false equivalency here I think
Feb 16th 2022
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                of course this isn’t some WHITES ONLY WATER FOUNTAIN rules/laws
Feb 17th 2022
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           Just watched an internet vid of a yt and black kid fighting
Feb 16th 2022
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                let that white kid sit on the couch and watch too
Feb 16th 2022
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                     In this post, we're talking about controlled substances
Feb 16th 2022
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The differences seems pretty obvious
Feb 16th 2022
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RESILIENCE. What a hero.
Aug 21st 2023
134
A clip of the race:
Aug 21st 2023
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LehhGooooo
Aug 21st 2023
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“I’m not worried about the world anymore"
Aug 21st 2023
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She seems like a totally different person/mind state
Aug 22nd 2023
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      ^THIS^
Aug 22nd 2023
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Watching Richardson and Jackson and Price relax after was fun
Aug 21st 2023
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she got low and worked her way back. good for her
Aug 21st 2023
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i was just cheese grinning the entire post race.
Aug 21st 2023
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Happy for her
Aug 22nd 2023
145

kfine
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1. "This is so sad to me, given the connection to her bereavement "
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over her mother's death.


I don't follow sports much... is the USATF likely to have her back on this or no?

  

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2. "..."
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>over her mother's death.
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weed is legal in some states now and not sure if/how it's classified
as a performance enhancing drug? nevertheless, pretty sure she knew it
was an illegal substance. this is really unfortunate, i feel for her.

  

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3. "I don't think there's much they can do"
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From their statements, it looks like they want to have her back (as well as NBC since she was going to be their golden goose). But the rules seem pretty clear.

Her results at the US Trials are deleted, so there's no way for her to qualify for the Olympics. Unless they find some way to bend and stretch the rules.

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7. "I hear ya"
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9. "Yeah, best case maybe bend the relay pool rules?"
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Her suspension will apparently be up before the 4x100m. Given our various relay mis-steps over the years, it would be smart (independent of Richardson, but obviously she's the inciting incident here) to give themselves more flexibility in the relay pool.

The wildcard here is Nike, obviously. There's a reasonable argument to be made that, of the various institutions running track and field, they're the most powerful. If they really wanted to throw their weight around on this, it'd be interesting to see what happens. Or, rather, they throw their weight around for things I don't want to happen pretty much all the time (see: the continued involvement of Richardson's notoriously dirty and comically unsuccessful coach being given purview over the relays for years) so if that's an inevitability it'd be swell to see some good come out of it.

Between this and the stupid Mboma thing, I'm really bummed out about how this sport manages to trip over its own dick so regularly. I've been coaching for a decade now, and the longer I go the more it seems clear that the various duties of "track official" manage to attract the ugliest, pettiest tyrants that we have to offer. Just miserable dorks who want to take something fun and beautiful and ruin it with their ideology-driven authority.

Sigh. I imagine you may have a different opinion about paragraph two - which is fine. I like arguing with you about track, to be honest. But I'm just here to complain so I'm probably not going to on that topic.

On the plus side, I might get to tote some of my kiddoes up to the very scaled down Penn Relays Summer Session in lieu of the past two years of cancellations. They'll be psyched about that if I can pull it off.

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kfine
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10. "In what ways does qualifying for 4x100m differ from qualifying for 100m?"
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Sorry if a dumb question. But are you suggesting there might be some kind of loophole(s) to could keep her in?

  

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13. "She received a 30 day ban. It will be over before the 4x1"
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"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

  

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14. "it's a 30-day suspension and the 4/100 happens after that 30-days..."
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so on that alone, she should be able to run it.
The relay team qualified....not the individuals. The team can slot in whomever they prefer...technically..

  

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15. "Not a dumb question - just weirdly complicated"
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Fri Jul-02-21 12:00 PM by Walleye

          

So you may need some follow-up questions when I screw up this part. Each national federation gets to make its own rules within some very, very broad guidelines, so this is USATF only. BUT... basically, the "relay pool" for both he 4x100m and 4x400m only has one requirement: that you compete in the Olympic Trials.

The problem for Richardson there is that her positive test basically disqualifies her, so technically (please note this is not a defense of the dumbass system) she did not compete in the trials.

Beyond that initial requirement, each relay pool is 6-8 runners. Everybody who finishes top-four in the 100 and 400m (inclusive, obviously, of the top three who make the team for those individual events and the 4th place finisher) is automatically in the pool, but they're the only ones who seem to be guaranteed a spot.

USATF would be within its rights to revise the "must compete in US Olympic trials" rules, to include Richardson. They're just national federation track rules, not the Torah, after all. That's it. That's the loophole, that USATF says "nevermind, we want Richardson in the 4x100m and by IOC and WADA rules, she's eligible to compete in the Olympics."

But since the requirement that the athletes eligible for the relay pool was already established prior to the Olympic Trials, they set themselves up for a lot of arguing and potentially lawsuits by the folks who finish 5-8th in the Olympic Trials because ultimately that's the problem - a spot that Richardson takes is a spot somebody else can't have.

So, short answer: they can absolutely put her on the 4x100m team if they want. She'll be done with her suspension and eligible to race, it's only relay selection rules that are standing in her way. If Nike weighs on USATF and no individual athletes make a fuss, then it wouldn't really take much at all.

edit: The reactionary assholes who manage the anarchic track site populated with gruesome teen libertarians have, for once, made themselves useful and are trying to exert public pressure for those other 100m runners to not protest Richardson's inclusion - so the idea has legs.

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17. "dope answer (pun intended) thanks!"
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"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

  

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20. "interesting"
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thanks for this

  

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16. "Nah I'm not happy about the Mboma thing"
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She is who she is. I don't want them to regulate their natural bodies.


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18. "Fair enough!"
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Fri Jul-02-21 12:20 PM by Walleye

          

I agree. And I apologize for misunderstanding your point of view (which is reliably thoughtful even when I disagree) on this.

She was born and they said "congratulations, it's a girl" and was raised with people saying "you're a girl" and now she's suddenly being told she's not the right kind of woman by people who won't consider, even for a moment, that their view of these categories is influenced by ideology.

I literally watched her 48.56 yesterday morning. What a miserable day of track that started off very nicely. I woke up, saw some chatter on twitter that this teenage girl from Namibia had blitzed the field at some tiny meet in Poland and thought "that's something I would really like to see" and then cued it up on YouTube, made my endlessly patient wife watch it with me and cheer for her weird form and wild "I don't care if I'm not supposed to be get out this fast" strategy.

By early evening, it was "Mboma out at 400m and Richardson banned for Tokyo"

At least Warholm's world record was fun to watch, though that guy looks way too much like Elon Musk for me to cheer for.

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25. "Fuck these regulators and their scientific racism."
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I guess it's much harder to classify Black African women as female than to consider/admit their actual methodology is clearly biased.

Like, between the Mboma and Masilingi bans,

the Sha'Carri ban,

the ban on swimming caps that can accommodate afro/black hair texture

smh

I'm basically turned off of all of it right now.

I don't know what all needs to change (and hopefully diversificaton of these regulatory bodies is part of it) but they're taking the fun out of this shit fr.

Looks like it's about to be a quite stressful/unpleasant era to be a world-class Black female athlete.

  

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33. "Somebody wrote "not eligible for female classification""
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And thought they were doing good, like ... in the world. I think the additionally frustrating thing is that there's no safety in the other end of the spectrum. Nobody in this weird, niche sport has performed the dual roles of athletic greatness and traditional femininity as skillfully as Allyson Felix, and she *still* got done dirty by Nike when they decided that she no longer served their bottom line.

This problem, as you point out, is much larger than track. And even in the broader world of athletics, it's really just kind of emblematic of something much larger, where institutions ostensibly designed for fairness end up being used for domination and control. I'm not very optimistic about the diversification of these regulatory bodies, but it's pretty clear that having the same people in charge isn't really going to fix anything so it certainly couldn't hurt.

I've been involved with this sport for a long time, running through high school and college and now coaching for about ten years. My team hosts 12-15 meets a year, spread from cross country through indoor and outdoor track, and my delightfully bonkers boss wants each event to be as big and open as possible - so we're probably talking about 5,000 kids coming to race at our events each year. Our ethic is pretty simple: if you've got a measured track, a clock, and a starter then this sport pretty much regulates itself so once you've got those things then it's in everybody's interest to just stand aside and let the kids have fun trying to be great. Every four years when the Olympics come along, it's incredibly fun to watch casual fans go from 0-60 in their interest in the sport and develop favorites because I know that's probably happening all over the world too. And it's going to mean more kids at our meets next year having fun and maybe making something incredible happen. And I felt it happening this year in this doubly profound way because it coincided with people starting to feel a bit more at ease with respect to the pandemic. I realize that's not at all universal, but soooooooo many people latched on to Richardson specifically as this weird, tiny epiphany of greatness and joy that it seemed like a genuinely perfect moment for the sport and for people in general.

The phenomenon of people who look at something interesting and yell "I KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE!!" has always seemed incurious and obnoxious to me. But (and this is almost certainly due to some severe obtuseness on my part but there's no time like the present to realize things) it's never really seemed quite so insidious and damaging.

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4. "for weed? I’m supposed to believe Phelps and those other swimmers"
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didnt have weed in their systems a few years back?

okay

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5. "ryan lochte"
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reminds me of a weedhead, not sure if he is or not

  

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19. "Michael Phelps was suspended for 3 months over a PICTURE of him smoking."
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26. "okay.. at least there is some consistency "
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but I seriously doubt he would get suspended from the olympics if he was caught with weed in his system.

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27. "That’s the thing. Most OLYMPIC athletes know when not to smoke it "
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and fuck up their 4 year opportunity. We’re talking all across the world.

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6. "way to f up the bag"
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and its highly presumptuous to assume you have more Olympic Games in you

i was hoping she'd be the one to finally beat the jamaicans

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8. "Ya I was rooting for her"
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I planned to try tuning in to at least to catch her races. Seemed like one of the more exciting women to run since flo-jo

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>i was hoping she'd be the one to finally beat the jamaicans

  

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23. "This was about to potentially change her life and make her a superstar."
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I feel bad for her for what she is going through with both the death of her mother and the fallout from the suspension.

But the rules are the rules and eveyone around the world has to abide by them.

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24. "What do you think this means?"
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>But the rules are the rules and eveyone around the world has
>to abide by them.

Like, I'm familiar with this silly tautology because I live in a world where people seem to keep saying it, but what do you think is occurring when people look at an obviously silly rule and say "we should change that" and then they just ... do? Are the rules the rules then? What happened that the rules stopped being the rules? What on earth do you think it means to explain the world in a way that makes literally no account for the concept of change and how do you square it with what you observe every day as time passes?

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35. "It's really not that deep"
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As of today, weed is banned. if enough people push to change it, then it'll get changed.

You can't break a rule and not expect to deal with the repercussions under the assumption that they'll make an exception for you and change the rule for everyone else going forward.



  

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11. "damn 🙁🙁🙁"
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She was wrong for using, but a death that close to the heart gotta be tough to deal with.

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12. "Right."
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plus add in the grief from missing out on this opportunity as well

she prob isn't feeling so great atm

I hope she has a good support system around her

  

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21. "STAY OFF THE WEED-UH! (c) Stephen A Smith"
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22. "what a dumb rule."
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28. "Apparently Olympic Committee rules are Joe Biden’s fault."
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https://www.twitter.com/cenkuygur/status/1411078549931401218

What a weird take.

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30. "unsurprising given the author."
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smh

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29. "Self Sabatoge 101"
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Sad that she didn't have the discipline to wait just a couple of months to transform her life.

I think she can come back. I just wish we didn't get so easily tripped on our way to the top.

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31. "feel like folks are kinda downplaying the trauma part"
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or maybe moreso ignoring her agency and quick to chalk it up to some dumb shit. easy to do if we framing it around all the stupid shit i was doin at 21 but i dont know if this is that.

i mean world class athlete with tens of thousands of hours of discipline and training, but we cant imagine her making the conscious decision to deal with her trauma with one of the few peer-reviewed anti-depressants with negligible side effects - just cuz she might get caught? what about goin crazy lol?

its a trip cuz with the news i figured anti-depressants were on the olympic ban list. NOPE. multiple brands/types allowed. niggas talkin bout "rules are rules" lol. the same peers that reviewed marijuana reviewed zoloft. so it aint really a wonder to me why she wouldnt jump to take those drugs (socio-historical and other shit aside).

my point is its within the realm of possibility that she well knew the consequences and the hurt was worth the risk, so she did what was best for her at the time.

she might be in the building ANYWAY for the relays. *side eye emoji*

  

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32. "My issue is people that are like &quot;told you she doesn't belong there..."
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I haven't seen it here but people i've come across who keep saying she's too hood are using this as an "I told you so" moment. Like smoking weed is some exclusively hood shit.

Then it's the people who are acting like she burns one before every race. Like c'mon fam.

All that and the trauma angle aside, I'm of the mind that most of the athletes are probably all smoking recreationally, it probably just stayed in her system longer than she expected.

  

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41. "Gross. Glad I haven't seen/heard anyone say this type of bullshit."
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>RE: My issue is people that are like "told you she doesn't belong there"
>I haven't seen it here but people i've come across who keep
>saying she's too hood are using this as an "I told you so"
>moment. Like smoking weed is some exclusively hood shit.

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34. "I tried to stay away from this GD thread on the issue because "
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most Americans have zero knowledge of track and field, and don’t understand
how anti-doping protocols work in track and field. And they don’t
understand that track and field is governed by an international federation.

Most Americans don’t even have a passing knowledge of track and field, and
are only chiming in because media outlets have picked up this story as a
hot topic. It is one of the biggest trending topics on all of social media, and
everyone is giving their perception and opinion on the matter.

The problem with that is, people are using it to push other agendas. They are
putting the issue in the rings of sexism, racism, depression, xenophobia, etc.
Some people are evening blaming our government for not getting involved, as
if our government has any jurisdiction or governing powering in track and field.

It’s quite comical and disturbing at the same time. However, society as a whole
has never been grounded in reality, and accepting and realizing the truth requires
too much discipline for most people, because people are driven by emotion and
not logic.

Also, society is extremely ignorant when it comes to science ( in this case chemistry).
There are several different strains of Marijuana, and each strain acts differently.
Marijuana can be used as a relaxant, stimulant, and as a pain suppressor. THC
is the main chemical that creates those altering effects, and it is the chemical that
is banned in track and field per WADA anti-doping rules and regulations.

By ingesting or smoking marijuana, an athlete can have an increase in pain
and stress tolerance, muscle recovery, mental clarity, and it can improve
once’s sense of well being. Those are performance enhancing benefits
that can give an athlete an advantage over the field of competition. And on
the opposite side of those benefits, marijuana can be a health risk to some athletes,
because each person’s body responds differently to the drug.

So WADA bans marijuana because of the following:

- It can be used as PED
- It can be a health risk
- It kills the the spirit of the game.

All athletes are required to participate drug free to ensure an equal opportunity
playing field for all competitors.











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36. "I did not know this"
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By ingesting or smoking marijuana, an athlete can have an increase in pain and stress tolerance, muscle recovery, mental clarity, and it can improve
once’s sense of well being. Those are performance enhancing benefits
that can give an athlete an advantage over the field of competition. And on
the opposite side of those benefits, marijuana can be a health risk to some athletes,
because each person’s body responds differently to the drug.

So WADA bans marijuana because of the following:

- It can be used as PED
- It can be a health risk
- It kills the the spirit of the game.

All athletes are required to participate drug free to ensure an equal opportunity
playing field for all competitors.

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37. "thats largely because its bullshit lol "
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i don’t consider wada governing body directives as a scientific study. theres been a thousand articles recently detailing the negligible effects of marijuana as a ped.

but fuck all that lets say weed fails wadas three point list. we can also ignore that antidepressants on the approved list have some of the same effects. why the green light for alcohol? alcohol aint changed ingredients. niggas just aint trying to drink and go hoop.

niggas can disagree over the definition of arbitrary i guess but that wasnt even my original point


  

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38. "I take it you’ve never run track and field or participated "
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in an endurance sport.

Antidepressants like Valium and Xanax are like tranquilizers. They leave you
DROWSY and LETHARGIC, and an athlete could pass out at the starting
line. No endurance athlete in their right mind is going to take an antidepressant.
It’s counter-productive.

No athlete is going to drink alcohol while in competition. Alcohol dehydrates
the body and it could impair the mind and vision.

While in competition as an endurance athlete, there is a strict practice with what
is and isn’t ingested. There is no room for experimentation or chancing anything, because it can severely affect the performance of the athlete. Most athletes
stick to a routine drink and food intake while in competition so they don’t get an
upset stomach or have an allergic reaction. It’s a very, very strict routine.

Smoking anything can lead to oxidative stress and can damage the heart and
lungs, so a track athlete smoking makes zero sense. Endurance sports is about
oxygen intake, and the more oxygen you have ,the more energy you will have.
This is the health risk that WADA focuses on, and why smoking marijuana is
banned AND SHOULD BE.

Lungs and Heart are the engine to the body of an endurance athlete....so She’carri
smoking anything is just pure insanity.....and anyone condoning it is not a real friend
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46. "Has anyone confirmed she smoked it?"
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Also, why focus on the impact on endurance athletes when she's a sprinter?

She definitely made a poor choice on how to self-medicate herself during an emotional time and I'm perfectly fine with the punishment for that... but don't act like she recklessly endangered her health or was seeking some sort of performance advantage.

I think your distaste for her style and general focus on PED's effect on the sport is influencing your judgment.

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52. "SMH"
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No matter if you run sprint or distance....you still need oxygen to run.
Sprint is just more anaerobic, but that doesn’t mean that oxygen isn’t important.
And yes she SMOKED it.

Holland(Amsterdam).....legalized weed ,like what, 40 years ago? People went
there because a person could basically smoke anywhere at anytime.

Do you see the great athletes of that country protesting to smoke weed?
No

Do you see their top athletes smoking weed?
No

They wouldn’t and will not do some dumb shit like that to compromise
their bodies.

Do you see Jamaicans smoking weed? A country known for growing and
smoking weed? Usain Bolt smoked weed as a teenager, but stated he
stopped once he started running track.

But leave it up to Americans who feel entitled.

These are top,top, elite athletes of the world, with highly athletic bodies.
I’m glad none of you guys are coaches, officials or scientists.
Athletes are not random people off the street, and just because you smoke
weed, and take chances with your health, doesn’t mean that an athlete should.

Imagine an athlete smoking some weed or eating edibles from the streets of Tokyo,
not knowing where that shit comes from or what kind of strain it is? ...do you
know how dangerous that is? And there is synthetic weed out there that
people are going crazy off of.

This is why it is not allowed in competition....



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54. "RE: SMH"
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Your arguments sound like your building a strawman army to support the idea you just don't like her.

The idea that great athletes are not using marijuana recreationally is PREPOSTEROUS. Not testing positive != not using and many professional athletes have admitted using marijuana recreationally during their careers once their careers were over.

There's no proof she's a habitual user.

You have no basis to say she's using enough to affect her aerobic or anaerobic capacity.

Ingesting something tainted isn't particularly unique to weed.

Again, it sounds like your distaste for her style is leading you to make this sound a lot worse than it was.

Using weed during a competition is banned. She broke that rule and is being punished for that. But the rule is more motivated by the legal status of weed than potential performance benefits or health risks. So the idea she endangered her health or got some edge is just hyperbole.

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59. "spoken like american who has no endurance sport experience "
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smh typical

  

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63. "Exactly."
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It’s crazy. You got people weighing in who have never run track. All the runners
I grew up with and competed against would never put any kind of smoke in their
bodies during competition. And these were just local (state) competitive runners,
not regional or national elite runners.

We barely wanted to eat and drink anything so that we wouldn’t cramp up
or get an upset stomach....so to smoke some shit during competition weekend?
Straight bananas. Eat like a king leading up to competition, and eat like a peasant
during competition...

Poster keeps mentioning her personality....has nothing to do with it.



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40. "You stop following the rule after they change it and it stops "
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being a rule, not before any change is made and the rule still exists.

  

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39. "Absolutely ridiculous rule, that she should have followed"
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It’s a shame but she deserves the L , as does everyone saying her punishment isn’t fair

  

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42. "It's probably the CBD, but weed really relaxes your body..."
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...especially after a workout. Relieves a lot of aches and pains. Also stimulates the appetite, which is also good for training athletes.

Rules are rules, but I can't think of one way where cannabis could be considered performance-enhancing. No reason it should be banned at all, and many athletes could probably benefit from its' use.

No reason she should be apologizing for anything here.

  

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43. "placebo effect being overlooked"
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by those who claim weed aint a PED.


It is if you THINK it is.

don't underestimate the minds role in physical health; yeah "...scientific studies are just that - studies. Individuals are individuals - everybody's response to THC is different. Some people actually TURN UP when they smoke. The rules are the rules.

she fucked up.

NEXT.

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44. "Placebo effect? Lol"
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If that was the case, it should be against the rules to tell runners their Gatorade is spiked with PEDs

Also keep in mind how long marijuana's effects last. A few hours, right? So how is your placebo TURN UP pack a PED when you ingested it days or weeks before competition?

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45. "she's excluded from the 4x100 relay team ☹️"
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/olympics/2021/07/06/shacarri-richardson-tokyo-olympics-relay/

I feel so damn bad for her.

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47. "I will watch 0 seconds of the Olympics this year."
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Fuck that shit.

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48. "^^^This is dumb, like really dumb."
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There are so many great black athletes who will be participating in the
Olympics it is insane. And we will not have to deal with the over
media coverage of Phelps or Bolt this time around.

A lot of great athletes will become household names.

She broke a rule that protects the HEALTH of the runners and the
fairness of the game. Athletes who do that get penalized, no exception,
no excuses.

It has nothing to do with race, gender or religion. Amateur sports, like the Olympics
and World Championships, are very strict platforms to uphold the natural performance
of the human body. There are teenagers who compete and perform in these games, which is why the rules must remain strict.

Motherfockers are crazy ..want to legalize a drug for in competition use
that has several different strains, it isn’t FDA regulated, and it comes form
anywhere off the street....

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49. "Super cool story bro."
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53. "inbox"
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50. "does this have a lot (or anything) to do with Japan?"
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i mean, they treat weed like the plague in that region.

it FEELS like the powers that be don't wanna deal with the political ramifications that might pop up moreso than her just having some sort of competitive advantage.

  

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51. "I don't think it's that deep"
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Drugs are drugs according to WADA. After Russia came through and crushed the buildings none of that shit is gonna fly.

I'm disappointed that she got disqualified too but unless we all push to remove weed from their substance list, as an athlete, you know what it was when you signed up.

  

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55. "Its bullshit. First off, Sha'Carri gonna be alright, shes young"
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hasn't even hit her prime.

But the bullshit is they suspended her, but made sure her suspension was not long enough to impact her running in Diamond league meets. (not sure if the suspension would even be applicable, but the optics of it - announcers can say, 'shes fresh off of her suspension' that type of shit).

Meanwhile, the Brianna McNeal gets banned for two Olympic games - five years, when she did nothing wrong. That is bullshit.

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56. "Brianna did nothing wrong?"
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This was her second whereabouts violation, and not only that,
she intentionally changed dates on documents to support her excuse.

So not only did she miss 6 drug tests, she tampered with evidence,
and tried to make a fool out of the the agency.

Her first suspension was in 2017 for a whereabouts violation ( missing
3 drug tests in a 12 month cycle with no valid excuse). She came back from her
suspension and did it again, and tampered with documentations.

Punishment: sports death penalty...and she is my favorite track athlete.

She’s one of my favorite athletes...but she focked up big time, and her career
is done.

I wasn’t close to elite, avg competitor ,but I competed fair and square.

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57. "Nah you got the storyline all wrong"
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They gave her the standard punishment for marijuana. There's no discretion there. It's actually supposed to be a 3 month ban, but it can be reduced to 1 month if she completes a substance abuse program.

Brianna McNeal on the other hand did not do nothing wrong. She is a habitual violator of anti-doping rules. She was previously banned for a year in 2017 for missing/evading 3 doping tests (3 missed tests in a year = ban).
And she was about to miss her third test in 2020 and tried to forge documents to give a reason for missing.

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60. "RE: Nah you got the storyline all wrong"
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First off, how is an abortion a fake excuse?


Secondly, these state sponsored athletes she competes against aren't doping? FOH.

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62. "Never said it was a fake excuse. I said she forged documents"
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And the other athletes she competes against go through these same processes. I don't know whether or not they are doping. But I do know they are not regularly missing surprise testing.

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114. "RE: ......WELP"
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61. "I feel like 'Cism got us so jaded we have a hard time believing in rules..."
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Man I like so many other people fell in love with this girl when I first so her run a couple of weeks ago.

And it was heartbreaking to hear about her suspension. So I went through the process of determining was this an another example of that 'cism at work.

I had two main questions, a.) what are the rules and how have the rules been applied historically.


It seems clear to me she broke the rules pretty clearly. But I am not one of these "Welp, she broke the rules and should have complied!" people. There are subquestions to my point a.) above such as, 1.) are the rules fair? and 2.) were the rules designed for racist purposes?

Hard to say yea for either point a1 or a2. A rule saying no smoking weed doesn't single out black people. Haven't heard a good reason to think otherwise.

More important to me than did she break the rules personally is, how are the rules enforced. I was mainly looking into how much discretion the ruling body had in enforcing the rule. Are some violators getting punished more than others? The thing about this case is that they aren't selective about who has to take drug test (i.e., everyone has to take it) and to the extent there was discretion in the punishment/suspension, the ruling body use their discretion to make her suspension the least amount of time possible per the rules.

I get this countries history has us making the knee jerk reaction that this must be racism but if you spend a little bit of time researching and hearing the arguments how it is racist, the racist claim just doesn't add up.

I don't see the plot to keep the bold outspoken sista out the Olympics to appease the Japanese. She just broke the rules and these are the consequences. Sucks but it happens.



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64. "What's telling is that the track and field community is silent"
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on this. You've seen outrage from athletes in other sports but I haven't seen much from current or former track folks on it.

  

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65. "Rules is rules...she isn't even outraged. "
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66. "You should have not wasted your time with a reply to such"
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human ignorance.

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68. "Took a (years long) break from the boards"
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Thanks for reminding me why. I made a point, some folks disagreed with it and expressed why. Isn't that the point of having discussions?

  

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67. "its no different than athletes in any other sport getting busted"
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you rarely see athletes in a sport say a busted athlete got a raw deal because they have to follow the same protocol.



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69. "Yeah, i was thinking more of former athletes"
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I can think of former basketball and football players especially speaking out after someone faced sanctions for weed. My theory was that because the margins for success are so thin and track, they're sensitive to anything that gives a perceived advantage (even if that's being more relaxed the day before the meet).

  

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70. "I think the fact that this is an international sport skews ppls percepti..."
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The sport isn't governed by US rules and norms. It's governed by an international organization.
Weed is starting to become no big deal in the US. But it's still a big deal in other parts of the world.

Weed is labelled as a substance of abuse (along w/ things like cocaine, heroin, MDMA) not really a performance enhancer.
That's why the punishment is much lower than PEDs violations (one month with substance abuse treatment program vs 2-5 years for PEDs).

NFL and NBA can change the rules to fit the US changing norms. But it's not as easy for an international sport.

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71. "hmmm."
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72. "If you are following her twitter I have guesses what this means. "
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She should log off.


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80. "MAN"
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These antics are silly.

SHE
GOT
FUCKIN
SMOOOKED!!

Not edged out live to fight another day beat. She came in last place in the event. Talking shit and not congratulating the winner who ran one of the fastest times ever seems silly.


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73. "now shes going at allyson felix."
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https://twitter.com/dilemmv/status/1430550731589828611

good luck to anyone still tryna defend this chick and blame criticism of her on everyone hating black women.

  

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74. "yeah, she gotta go sit down somewhere."
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75. "she might be on something stronger than weed wtf"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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76. "she liked this tweet about jamaicans too."
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https://twitter.com/hatefulgemini/status/1430563493598613509/photo/1

  

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78. "man she really a lame "
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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77. "she got those eyes in that photo.."
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this broad burned thru all that good will like it was a blizzunt

I think its over for her…

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79. "Shes a 19 year old sprinter. Have yall been around any sprinters?"
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lol

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81. "And from Dallas"
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Dallas Carter High School


Yea.. THAT Dallas Carter..

With that said..

yea someone in her camp need to take her phone for the next couple weeks




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83. "yea. ima stall her out though she young."
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not selling my shares but she pushing it ha.

and lol @ reeq channel 6 reporting live (c) head ass on here tattle tellin.

  

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84. "Oh please."
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She said: "Encouraging words on TV shows are just as real as well nothing at all"


When was the last time you talked to/observed someone whose world came crashing down and had mad people turn on them overnight?

Because imho they tend to engage in this sort of nihilist talk a lot after such trauma; it's actually dark af and prob less so about Allyson Felix than depression

Then add in the fact she's young as shit



She's obviously still reeling from all that's happened

Leave this grieving woman alone

  

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86. "A sprinter is speaking rudely about her colleagues?!"
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I can't be the only one here old enough to remember Donovan Bailey.

Maybe I'm the only one who remembers how much fun that was, though?

edit: if anybody here is actually interested in talking about track, I'm going to float Bailey as a pretty good comparison for Richardson's skillset as well.

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90. "Ive met TWO nice sprinters my entire life. Marshavette Hooker"
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And Darryl Green
That’s it. That's the list.
Every single other one has been an awful person.

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82. "show of hands, who in this post was emotionally mature at age 21"
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also, can you relate to making the Olympics and your mother dying?

  

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85. "Seriously. AND learning about your mother's death in an "
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interview/on the job.

This post was made only a little over a month ago.

And in that short time, she's been going through all the performance-based toxicity that Osaka and Biles literally backed away from their sports to avoid for mental health reasons PLUS a Kanye-like post-Donda unraveling, simultaneously.

This young woman doesn't need pile-ons she needs time, healing, and good personal and professional support systems.

Besides, maybe part of the reason she wanted to run Prefontaine wasn't even about winning or losing per se, but affirming to herself that she's still a fine athlete in spite of everything?

People cope in different ways *shrug*










>also, can you relate to making the Olympics and your mother
>dying?

  

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87. "No one makes her use social media. *shrug*"
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88. "its a different world.. then where we came from"
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it aint easy to not use SM in 2021 as a 21 year old

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89. "It’s not even that deep TBH"
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She can be a terrible person and a fast runner
Those 2 things can be true
Not saying she is…but it’s weird to me that people want to act like her comments are going to interfere with her ability to run really fast

I’ve noticed a lot of threads, replies and posts on the board start with a Twitter link
Maybe…stay off the Twitter machine if it triggers you…<shrug>
Twitter is a platform for brain farts and word vomit
More of a reflection on the people reacting to it at this point IMO.

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91. "I don't think anyone is saying she is a terrible person. Ppl are saying ..."
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should log off social media.

It ain't helping her.


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92. "Helping her…do what?"
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If that’s how she feels, expressing it probably does help…her

Pearl clutching over Twitter posts is the new get off my lawn.

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142. "Because arguing on Social Media has never helped anyone ever."
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143. "Seems to have not harmed her"
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She's a born poster. It's kind of fun, and USATF has completely dropped the ball on marketing individual athletes so they're left to do it on their own.

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93. "I think she needs people around her to give her better advice"
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I don't write her off as human being, she's just doing silly shit

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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94. "2 or 3 months ago most people here didn't know who she was, now she's an..."
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international personality at 21 that's a big jump for most people, missteps are likely.

Recently we have seen people like Simone Biles and Naomi Osaka have the courage to step forth and speak on mental health after YEARS in the spotlight.

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96. "This ain’t got nothing to do with mental health or the spotlight "
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SheCarri has been internationally known for almost 4 years now, racing around
the world. This isn’t anything new for her in track and field.

She did the same thing in 2019 about her ability, and she got
smoked in the US Championships.

SheCarri is not a new runner on the scene. It’s just that non-track and field viewers
have now gotten wind of it, and have totally sensationalized this situation because
she is new to them.

In the realm of track and field, she’s just another American runner who got smoked,
and is way overrated.

That’s why when the media asked the Jamaicans about SheCarri Richardson,
they said no comment or not interested in talking about her....they talk track
only like the rest of the track and field community.

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97. "exactly, she's been known in the track and field world, mainstream..."
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America and most of the world didn't know her name a few months ago.

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98. "I agree."
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But this whole feel sorry for her and all of the that, miss me.

She has been bragging and being extra since forever....this isn’t
anything new to her.

Go look at those videos when she was racing for LSU.

She is not in the same boat as Simone or Naomi.

SheCarri wants the attention and smoke..She generates it,
but she just doesn’t have ability and training to back it up...yet

Either she changes here situation and turns into a great runner,
or she will be another English Gardner...

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99. "Interesting. Btwn this and Emmanuel Acho's jabs at her"
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"unmerited arrogance" a few days ago, it seems bootlickers are most offended that she dared to feign confidence in herself as her life fell apart.

Which is pretty grim.

I mean, that could be what's helping her wake up everyday for all we know.

Why does it bother you if she bigs herself up? It's not like she's the first ever athlete to have a boastful personality, right?




>But this whole feel sorry for her and all of the that, miss
>me.
>
>She has been bragging and being extra since forever....this
>isn’t
>anything new to her.
>
>Go look at those videos when she was racing for LSU.
>
>She is not in the same boat as Simone or Naomi.
>
>SheCarri wants the attention and smoke..She generates it,
>but she just doesn’t have ability and training to back it
>up...yet
>

  

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102. "It’s people like you that will cause her to fail"
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I ran track and field and watch track and field, and the running does the talking.
This isn’t football or basketball, where entrainment sells, and a bum ass athlete
like Tim Tebow can get attention and make money.

The theatrics means shit if you don’t win or run fast, because no one cares
about your personality. No one watches or goes to see runners for fun or
Celebrities.

Track is about speed and time, and if you don’t put up the numbers,
then you shouldn’t talk.

Jamaicans running did the talking...same thing with all the other greats.

Having confidence and being unprofessional are two different things,
and you should know the difference..

Her entire approach has been tacky, ignorant, arrogant, and most of
all UNPREPARED.

Running doesn’t lie, and right now she is all over the place and she needs
to get organized ASAP. ...because in track and field great young talent is
always on deck ready to blaze.

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104. "How so? By rooting for her, defending her, and sympathizing"
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with her bereavement?

Which is literally all I've done in this post, as opposed to your zero-empathy respectability bs? lol

You're not even making any sense

And STILL you've not answered my main question i.e. why it even bothers you so much that she bigs herself up..? I never insinuated any of the other stuff you're talking about wrt numbers or marketing or whatever

But one would think seeing a young black woman project confidence in in spite of profound loss and defeat is a good thing... not tacky, ignorant, arrogant etc

I mean sure, I could've done without the sore loser stuff but, again, she's young as shit and going through some things *shrug*

  

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107. "I don’t know what page you’re on."
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This hasn’t nothing to do with her having confidence. Again, you should
know the difference between unprofessionalism and confidence.

Cursing on national TV during an interview has nothing to do with
having confidence. Making fun of your competition as well as their
culture has nothing to do with confidence. Acting unprofessional on
social media and in a track setting has nothing to do with confidence.

There are some serious changes that she needs to make with her behavior
and her running if she wants to compete against the best.

It’s that simple and if you don’t understand that. I don’t know what to tell
you.

The very thing that got her to where she is, she is now poor at.
The track should be the main focus....

All that other stuff you’re speaking.....means nothing.



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109. "Because you wanna talk in circles. I quoted you in #99 wtf lol"
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I was responding to THIS:

>But this whole feel sorry for her and all of the that, miss
>me.
>
>She has been bragging and being extra since forever....this
>isn’t
>anything new to her.
>
>Go look at those videos when she was racing for LSU.
>
>She is not in the same boat as Simone or Naomi.
>
>SheCarri wants the attention and smoke..She generates it,
>but she just doesn’t have ability and training to back it
>up...yet
>

and asked why it should bother spectators like you and Acho if she bigs herself up, especially in defeat. Now you're all "this has nothing to do with her confidence", when you literally complained about how she's been "bragging and being extra since forever". I understood you just fine.

It just strikes me as an absurd gripe to have with an ATHLETE of all people, even if I wanted to agree with your broader respectability argument and dismissal of mental health (which I absolutely don't).

I mean...lol what? She's an inferior athlete bc she's braggadocious? What does one have to do with the... smh.

Anyway, I def feel you on ending this back and forth bc we don't seem to be getting anywhere that's for sure lol

  

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111. "Big upping one’s self after a defeat?"
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Oxymoronic, is it not?

That’s like losing all your money and screaming about still being rich.

You’re scaring me.

Her confidence was victorious in defeat....lol

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105. "RE: It’s people like you that will cause her to fail"
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"Jamaicans running did the talking...same thing with all the other greats."

Serious Q: Based on the above, curious to know your thoughts on Carl Lewis?

  

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106. "He wasn’t liked in the Track and Field community."
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at times. Track athletes weren’t into self-promotion and arrogance,
which is why he didn’t get the endorsements that he deserved.

However, Carl Lewis was the best in the world, and his shit talking
was based on that....



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95. "That is not an acceptable excuse. Track and Field is flooded "
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with young professionals, who know how to carry themselves on
and off the track.

Sydney McLaughlin is the same age, and she is a class act.
Brianna Williams is 19, and she is also mature on and off the track.

SheCarri’s behavior has nothing to do with her age, but is related
to her upbringing and the environment she comes from, as well
as the people she associates with.

Stop making excuses for her perverse and unprofessional behavior.

The marijuana situation was a huge red flag, as well as her support team
letting her race in the Pre classic. She had no business being on the track,
because clearly she hasn’t been training properly, and she wasn’t in any
shape or form to be competitive.

A so called 10.7x runner should not run 11.14 under any circumstances, or come
in last place, unless they are injured, and she wasn’t and isn’t injured.

Nike and her coach should not have allowed her to run, but that shows you how
apathetic they are, and she is clearly a meal ticket for all who are professionally involved with her.

She is out of sorts on and off the track, and I hope she gains some maturity to
take control of her situation and get the right people in her corner to help her
succeed.














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100. "So because mature 21yos exist, they all should be ?"
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That's your official stance ?

That's stupid. And you know it is.

People are right to reference her age in regard to the way she's behaving on social media. It's part of the equation, along with the trauma of her mom dying, and the Olympics bullshit, and her rough upbringing as you mention. It's all part of it.

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101. "I didnt make an excuse, I stated a fact"
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21 year olds dont make the best life decisions

anyone posting here can attest, much of this board was centered around us being toxic assholes for most of our 20s

  

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103. "Quit using age as an excuse, when the problem is preparation"
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and education. Period.

I know a 80 year old woman who can’t drive, and there are tons of teenagers
who know how to drive. What’s the problem? She was never taught.

Clearly, SheCarri was never prepared or taught. That’s the issue. So whether
she is 21, 31, or 41, if she isn’t taught on how to carry herself...she will always
be this way.

There are 40 year old who act the way she does on social media....why?
Same issue.

So, hopefully, someone who really cares comes along and helps her to mature....

Her coach is a former drug cheat. Her training partner is a drug cheat. She wasn’t
close with her mother, and she hangs out with wack ass entertainers.....and her
focking sponsor is Nike.

That’s the issue, not her age... Her environment is toxic, which usually leads
to a toxic mentality....

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108. "not sure you know the definition of an excuse"
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younger people dont have the same emotional maturity and thought processes as others

  

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110. "yeah"
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soo many other things are so much more important.

  

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112. "this story is receiving the correct amount of attention"
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just sucks that she looks like she wasn’t ready to run but still ran her mouth after the race.

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113. "RE: Sha'Carri Banned After Testing Positive for Marijuana"
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https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/juliareinstein/shacarri-richardson-kamila-valieva-doping-olympics

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115. "because she is a minor she needs to be protected from harm? wtf"
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which is why she hasn’t been disqualified?

and if she gets a medal they wont show the ceremony?

gotdamn.. they going above and beyond for this little white girl.


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116. "How......in.......the.........fuck?"
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Literally in-competition positive for a performance enhancer and you still let her compete???

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117. "This is crap, but it ain't the same"
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IOC made a mockery of itself with this skating ruling, and it affects more than just Valieva; every competitor gets screwed out of a medal celebration (and even knowing what medal they end up with). No matter how the (badly) factored in the 'protected minor' status the entire handling of this is BS. Either pee or get off the pot IOC. This partial measure BS is...BS

That said...

I still can't feel bad for Richardson. How the rules were enforced being biased or f*cked up doesn't change the fact she broke the rules.

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118. "Fuzz that. This is the country of shitty rules used to oppress people"
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Like I said in #61, rules are only as good as how they are enforced. If they are enforced in a racist manner, than fuck the rule.


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119. "BS enforcement, I agree. Racist rule? Gotta disagree"
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IOC's enforcement on this is absolute shit, no question. But a rule banning specific substances isn't put in place to put down, hinder, or oppress any one race or gender of athlete. Nobody made either athlete take what was a known banned substance. I don't think either should be competing for the same reason. The fact one got tossed from competition while the other didn't isn't a fault of the rule, or make either offence better or worse than the other. This is the IOC being shit

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120. "you are intentionally missing the point"
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if the rule is only enforced when its a Black athlete and not enforced when its a white athlete…

shit is racist as fuck if its not enforced equally

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121. "Not sure I agree. At least not intentionally"
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The rule isn't in place to predispose or hinder any one section of athlete. The rule wasn't put in place to hinder black female runners who smoke weed any more than it was put in place to hinder white Russian skaters that dope. The rule itself doesn't disproportionally affect anybody (or at the very least isn't meant to).

We can all agree the enforcement of the rule is shit. But that, by itself, doesn't mate the rule racist. How would you rewrite the rule that XXX substance is banned and make it not racist? If you want a clearer set of consequences, fine and well. We're all on board. But again, that doesn't make the rule racist.

Now I could very well be looking at this the wrong way, and if so, I'm open to changing my opinion. But I can't see the rule that something is banned is racist. How punishment is handed out, fine. But the rule itself?

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122. "Russia is also taking advantage of the rule for minors."
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they knew she'd still be able to compete. that rule should be changed too.


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123. "good to know you're in favor of caster semenya running now"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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124. "My guy, the whole system is trash if either rule or enforcement is racis..."
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If your local cops only enforce jay walking against black people, then its not okay. Despite the jay walking rule being non-racist on its face.

Have you somehow missed the whole black lives matter movement?

There is nothing inherently about cops using lethal force but when they only use lethal force against black people, you know there is a problem with the system.

You are trying to separate the rule and the enforcement of the rule and that's the environment systematic racism thrives in.

You do realize that there is nothing inherently racist on the face of any of the voter impression laws they are trying to pass in red states right?

And making this argument during black history month. SMH.


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125. "yeah.. spenz is simplifying this for some reason"
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128. "You're acting like the only 2 ppl ever w/doping violations is ShaCarri a..."
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...this Russian girl.

You're comparing this to Sha'Carri's situation to say it's because of race. But the response to the Russian girl's positive test is out of the norm compared to all doping violations.

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130. "^^^ Russia coming off a ban in the summer games"
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I really don't understand why they are even allowed to compete

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132. "Ummmmm.... a bit of false equivalency here I think"
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I'm really not trying to be obtuse here. This isn't laws discouraging voter turnout. This isn't laws concerning which drugs get what sentencing. This isn't getting more jail time for crack than coke. This isn't about gerrymandering, this isn't about police brutality, and this absolutely has nothing to do with BLM. Come on man, how you gonna ask me if I missed that? That's a bit much.

To use your jaywalking example. There isn't anything racist about a rule against jaywalking. That's a safety rule that benefits everybody. It's not meant to put anybody down or any race more at risk than another. If the cops only enforce it against black people, that's the cops racist ass attitude, not the rule. Unless you can tell me how you would rewrite the rule to not be racist, which, I gotta say, I'm at a loss on. The rule and the enforcement being BS isn't always mutually inclusive.

You can absolutely call out the double standard in Richardson and Valieva. But unless the list of banned substances and the punishments for a positive test affect one race or group of athletes more than another, I can't see where the racism is in the rule. If it does, I stand corrected. I don't know if that's the case. Did race factor in for Richardson's suspension? I don't think so. Again, unless there's a lot more black athletes getting popped than any other race, it's hard to make that argument. I won't outright say it wasn't, because, well, racism is a thing, but not everything is racist. Do I think race factored into Valieva being allowed to skate? Not really. This is more olympic and geopolitical bullshit than anything.

In short, I think both were wrong. I don't think either should have been allowed to compete. I think it's absolutely wrong for Valieva to be allowed to compete, but that doesn't make Richardson's suspension wrong or racist.


Are there racist ass rules? Absolutely.

This ain't one of them.

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133. "of course this isn’t some WHITES ONLY WATER FOUNTAIN rules/laws"
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cmon breh..

I dont think anyone is implying its Jim Crow era type shit.



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126. "Just watched an internet vid of a yt and black kid fighting"
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Cops show up...and promptly arrest the black kid... while the yt kid looks on comfortably seated

It's easy to see how that example is racist

How is this different?

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127. "let that white kid sit on the couch and watch too"
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129. "In this post, we're talking about controlled substances"
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We already know the disparities in incarceration

Never heard someone say, the drug laws aren't racist...

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131. "The differences seems pretty obvious"
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unless I'm missing something. Richardson admitted to the drug use, the other young lady is denying it. Richardson was suspended by her local governing body, this matter is being handled by an international body. Then there was post competition while this was during the competition.

That's not to say that there isn't a larger discussion to be had about racism in sports discipline, and I agree that the young lady should not have been allowed to skate, but the two situations are different.

  

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134. "RESILIENCE. What a hero."
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I know there's another post, but just wanted to up this because she's such a good example of why we should strive to be kinder to ourselves and each other.

And why we should dispel the notion that believing yourself is only valid when predicated by success. No. Believing in oneself helps one achieve success.

It actually takes more mental fortitude not to give up on yourself when you're down bad and everyone else has, kicking you when you're down.

I'm really happy for her and glad to see her healthy and healed.


https://olympics.com/en/news/world-athletics-championships-2023-sha-carri-richardson-crowned-women-s-100m-champion-at-track-worlds-in-championship-record-10-65


World Athletics Championships 2023: Sha'Carri Richardson crowned women's 100m champion at track worlds in championship record 10.65


The American clocks a Championship record from lane 9 to beat Jamaica's Shericka Jackson and Shelly-Ann Fraser-Pryce.

https://img.olympicchannel.com/images/image/private/t_s_w2440/t_s_16_9_g_auto/f_auto/primary/qeamvzqmvxg0e0yrkcpu


Sha'Carri Richardson is the women's 100m world champion.

The American ran a Championship record 10.65 seconds in the final at the track and field 2023 World Athletics Championships in Budapest, Hungary, on Monday (21 August), taking 0.02 seconds off the previous best set by Shelly-Ann Fraser-Pryce last year.

A disbelieving Richardson trailed both defending champion Fraser-Pryce and Shericka Jackson in the early metres, but quickly closed the gap before hitting the front to pip Jackson (10.72) to the line.

Fraser-Pryce was third in a season best 10.77.

"I would definitely say it's a good start," Richardson said in the press conference afterward when asked about her result in her debut major international championships. "From the beginning of the journey, I'm honoured, I'm blessed, it was a great competition and brought out the best in myself. I'm not back, I'm better, and I'm going to continue to be better."

Jackson, for her part, was clearly disappointed. "I definitely have to go back and look at tonight," she said. "I think I executed as best as possible. Coach and I will have to discuss what I did, I can't tell you what I did different from what I did in Jamaica."

Last year's champion Fraser-Pryce reflected: "Congrats to Sha'Carri and Shericka, it was really a fantastic race. Last year I ran the 100 in a Championship record and it took a Championship record tonight, so that's really remarkable."

Richardson was in her first major global outdoor meet as she missed the Tokyo 2020 Olympic Games in 2021, having served a one-month suspension for testing positive for cannabis at the American trials which led to her non-selection by Team USA, and did not qualify for last year's World Championships in Oregon.

  

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137. "A clip of the race:"
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https://youtu.be/S_1o24QMYv8?t=68

  

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135. "LehhGooooo"
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LFG

  

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136. "“I’m not worried about the world anymore""
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“I’ve seen the world be my friend. I’ve seen the world turn on me. But at the end of the day, I’ve always been with me. God has always been with me, so being on this scale now, it’s my time.”


“It’s always been my time, but now it’s my time to actually do it for myself and the people that feel like me, the people that look like me, and the people that know the truth about themselves as well. I represent those people.”


https://people.com/shacarri-richardson-not-worried-about-the-world-world-athletic-championships-7693468

  

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141. "She seems like a totally different person/mind state"
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Or rather she seemed like she matured a lot.

Watching her expression after the race brought tears to my eyes.

Happy for her.


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144. "^THIS^"
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n/m

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138. "Watching Richardson and Jackson and Price relax after was fun"
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They'll all be sharpening the knives for the 200 and/or 4*100m soon enough, but in the meantime it was nice watching these three gods of this event joke around like normal colleagues for a few minutes. I saw a clip on Twitter where somebody actually transcribed their conversation, with Price basically pointing out how long it's been since an American runner won the 100m and Richardson yelling out "that's because of you!"

Oh, I'm going to be so corny about this with my runners. I'm so impressed with Richardson brushing off two years of everybody telling her who and what she is. The work she put in earlier this season in the 200m showed her dedication and it paid off with her strength over the last third of the race. And lucky for track fans to see an all-time like that. When kfine upped this, I read some of the posts up top and it was such a bummer for track earlier in the summer of 2021. This is a great ending to that.

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139. "she got low and worked her way back. good for her"
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140. "i was just cheese grinning the entire post race."
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just seeing her joy and the redemption of it all.

so dope.

  

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145. "Happy for her"
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even the Jamaicans were happy for her.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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