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legsdiamond
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"Are you concerned about the new Covid variants? "


          

Was going to put this in CW but dude is slipping this week

I find myself not giving a fuck when I hear about these new variants. Maybe its due to summer or I’m just over it.

Don’t want to sound like a skeptic but I’m really on some “its over”

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I'm fringe concerned...like...I acknowledge that there's a risk...but
Jun 16th 2021
1
Def back on my conspiracy shit
Jun 16th 2021
4
      Have you seen India?
Jun 16th 2021
8
           yes
Jun 16th 2021
17
           question. Is India vaccinated?
Jun 21st 2021
71
                Question: Is Mississippi vacinated?
Jun 21st 2021
72
I'm vaccinated so I've tuned out pretty much all covid news
Jun 16th 2021
2
man.. this is me as well
Jun 16th 2021
5
I'm assuming they're eventually going to recommend yearly shots
Jun 16th 2021
3
I'm in a weird spot, since my wife, oldest son and I have been
Jun 16th 2021
6
I am
Jun 16th 2021
7
Kids as young as 12 can get the Pfizer vaccine.
Jun 16th 2021
16
My mistake
Jun 16th 2021
19
this should be a concern because travel back and forth to Mexico is high...
Jun 16th 2021
35
Nope. I’m vaccinated. Fuck it
Jun 16th 2021
9
I'm concerned
Jun 16th 2021
10
I'm really concerned for unvaccinated friends and family.
Jun 16th 2021
11
my empathy for those who refuse to get the vaccine is low af
Jun 16th 2021
12
      I feel you but the bottom line is black people are the least vaccinated
Jun 16th 2021
13
           I know.. its been frustrating getting family and friends to get the shot
Jun 16th 2021
14
                Guess the hospital will take care of yo ignant ass
Jun 16th 2021
31
                Smh…sister-in-law is not vaxxed…
Jun 16th 2021
33
that delta varient was 1 percent last month in the US. now its gaining
Jun 16th 2021
15
its been a blessing and a curse for me
Jun 16th 2021
18
I'm not comfortable until my 3 year old is vaccinated
Jun 16th 2021
20
not so much. my whole housefull is vaxxed. so are my mom
Jun 16th 2021
21
nah im off that covid shit
Jun 16th 2021
22
Cliff Paul looking at yall real funny right now
Jun 16th 2021
23
lmao.. I was like Cliff? Who the f is Cliff?
Jun 16th 2021
24
Is he sick?
Jun 16th 2021
26
His kids were born in 2009 and 2012
Jun 16th 2021
27
      And?
Jun 16th 2021
28
           Don't be daft.
Jun 16th 2021
29
           and they are not vaccinated
Jun 16th 2021
30
                RE: and they are not vaccinated
Jun 16th 2021
32
I haven't heard anyone speak about it but when Phoenix swept Denver...
Jun 17th 2021
46
      The science says you're unlikely to get it if you're vaccinated
Jun 17th 2021
50
      Climbed into the stands? Well now we know why he is in protocol
Jun 18th 2021
66
There is something here I can't seem to see.
Jun 16th 2021
25
nah, not really
Jun 16th 2021
34
What would constitute large numbers?
Jun 16th 2021
36
      significant numbers? we all know people who got sick from covid
Jun 16th 2021
37
           The # of vaccinated people hospitalized recently is insanely low.
Jun 17th 2021
38
           Just trying to get a number...
Jun 17th 2021
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                Question: Are you being an idiot on purpose?
Jun 17th 2021
40
                That escalated quickly
Jun 17th 2021
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                     Thanks a lot Tucker Carlson
Jun 17th 2021
42
                     LOL
Jun 17th 2021
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                          breh.. some of these folk are unhinged, lol
Jun 17th 2021
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                               you talking about the dumb motherfuckers who cite fake numbers
Jun 17th 2021
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                     it's better if someone else makes up the number
Jun 17th 2021
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                i don't have a number for you. for me it has to hit home
Jun 17th 2021
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                How many unvaccinated have died?
Jun 17th 2021
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                     Don't legitimize that 5k. He's saying that many died FROM the vaccine
Jun 17th 2021
51
                     I'm not giving him anything but the sake of argument
Jun 17th 2021
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                     Thats what VAERS says, not me
Jun 17th 2021
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                     RE: How many unvaccinated have died?
Jun 17th 2021
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                          you should take up base jumping
Jun 17th 2021
55
                          Don't start that shit. We know exactly what you're hinting at.
Jun 17th 2021
58
                               what am I hinting at?
Jun 17th 2021
59
                                    Yeah I'm not playing that game, you know what the fuck you're
Jun 17th 2021
61
                                         yeah, I'm saying dude should get an exciting hobby I think he'll like
Jun 18th 2021
69
                          Fair enough, however-
Jun 17th 2021
57
                               RE: Fair enough, however-
Jun 17th 2021
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                                    Here's what the CDC says about VAERS
Jun 17th 2021
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                                         RE: Here's what the CDC says about VAERS
Jun 17th 2021
64
Good read on Delta Variant (thread)
Jun 17th 2021
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RE: Are you concerned about the new Covid variants?
Jun 17th 2021
60
have an old friend who posted a lot of covid hoax stuff
Jun 18th 2021
65
c'mon now...
Jun 18th 2021
67
      Lol
Jun 18th 2021
68
      word. just a quick text on some, "how them lungs doin', champ?" nm
Jun 19th 2021
70

FLUIDJ
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1. "I'm fringe concerned...like...I acknowledge that there's a risk...but"
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at the same time I just don't know who/what to trust anymore.
Maybe the tinfoil hats in my gram feeds are starting to get into my head more?
Maybe this vaccine got me feeling froggy?
Maybe i'm just on JETS mode?
I dunno...

  

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legsdiamond
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Wed Jun-16-21 09:08 AM

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4. "Def back on my conspiracy shit"
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and I got the shot so maybe that is why I feel like this news just doesn’t apply to me

but a part of me feels like this is a scare tactic for those who haven’t been vaccinated.

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Soldado
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8. "Have you seen India?"
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>but a part of me feels like this is a scare tactic for those
>who haven’t been vaccinated.

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legsdiamond
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17. "yes"
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legsdiamond
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71. "question. Is India vaccinated? "
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just curious.

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72. "Question: Is Mississippi vacinated?"
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No need to be curious - they are at 28%.

3 millions folks in Mississippi - so AT LEAST 2 million have the same chance TODAY as they did anytime since this started. Alabama's not far behind. And Arkansas, etc.

This country has a percentage of people vaccinated - but the south and the Midwest - and don't forget the garbage Republican leaning states in the west too - are still pretty unvaccinated - and a strain that spreads quicker WILL spread more quickly.

So Mississippi > India in vaccinations by percentage - but it's NOWHERE near 'herd immunity from vaccines.'

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PimpTrickGangstaClik
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2. "I'm vaccinated so I've tuned out pretty much all covid news"
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It doesn't apply to me.
Vaccines are effective against variants

  

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legsdiamond
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5. "man.. this is me as well"
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3. "I'm assuming they're eventually going to recommend yearly shots"
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So I'm paying attention just to be aware when whatever variant they deem "COVID-21" kicks into high gear.

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6. "I'm in a weird spot, since my wife, oldest son and I have been"
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vaccinated, but my youngest son (7 years old) hasn't. Both kids were back in school for the last couple months of the school year, so that along with the three of us being vaccinated has us mostly back to "normal" while still being cautious because of my youngest not being vaccinated.

So I definitely pay attention to news about the new variants, specifically with information about kids being more vulnerable than before. So far the vaccines are holding up, and I'm sure that in the future we'll need boosters along with annual shots.

  

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7. "I am"
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Wed Jun-16-21 09:35 AM by handle

          

Right now for my own health I "feel" pretty safe , since I'm vaccinated AND I still wear my mask I've been socially distancing still and wearing a mask anywhere where I am not.

But NO ONE in the U.S. under 16 is vaccinated - none.

And 18-64 is still at something like 58% nation wide.

My birth state Louisiana is only at 37% now - if a variant comes in they could be hit HARD. Alabama is even LOWER.

Not to mention that Mexico is 20 miles from my house and is only vaccinated to 11.2%. Forget being afraid of "ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS SPREADIN' DISEASE" I'm concerned about all the travelers between our countries bringing in a new variant. And they should be worried about a variant coming from us.

So a variant could cause a lot of death - I am concerned about that in the short term to mid term.

I'm a little concerned about a new variant where the vaccines are not effective - but that's not on my mind a lot.

TLDR; Not worried a lot for myself;Worried a lot more for the U.S. over the next 1-3 years.

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16. "Kids as young as 12 can get the Pfizer vaccine. "
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>But NO ONE in the U.S. under 16 is vaccinated - none.

My oldest son is 12 and is fully vaccinated.

  

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19. "My mistake"
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But NO ONE in the U.S. under 12 is vaccinated - none.

Fixed it
>My oldest son is 12 and is fully vaccinated.

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35. "this should be a concern because travel back and forth to Mexico is high..."
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>Not to mention that Mexico is 20 miles from my house and is
>only vaccinated to 11.2%. Forget being afraid of "ILLEGAL
>IMMIGRANTS SPREADIN' DISEASE" I'm concerned about all the
>travelers between our countries bringing in a new variant. And
>they should be worried about a variant coming from us.

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9. "Nope. I’m vaccinated. Fuck it"
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Trying to get back to living and thriving. I just can’t do that being in the house 24/7. Respect to those that can. 2020 was hell for me.

  

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10. "I'm concerned"
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Not overly concerned but concerned enough to pay attention to the news on these variants.

The latest Delta variant doesn't sound good so it gives me a little cause for concern.

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11. "I'm really concerned for unvaccinated friends and family."
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UK is probably the early test case for what could happen here. The overwhelming majority of people being hospitalized are unvaccinated and mostly young.

The shit is vicious for that part of the population.

Unfortunately many of the people I know haven't gotten the shot and they have been relatively safe so far. So this could blind side them.

There's really 2 Covid trends going on over here already. Heavily vaccinated areas are seeing infections drop. Under vaccinated areas are still seeing infections rise.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/06/14/covid-cases-vaccination-rates/?itid=hp-top-table-main

The variant(s) could make that dichotomy worse.

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12. "my empathy for those who refuse to get the vaccine is low af"
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if its not available yet or you are on a wait list then sure..

but over here I was able to get it when someone didn’t show up for their dose. Then I was called 2 more times in consecutive days to get it AFTER I got the first shot.

People here are simply refusing our of fear or because the deep state.

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Soldado
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13. "I feel you but the bottom line is black people are the least vaccinated"
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so this will hit our community harder (on top of the hell the virus has already unleashed on us).

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legsdiamond
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14. "I know.. its been frustrating getting family and friends to get the shot"
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my uncles immune system is gone.. he is old. He didn’t want to get it and my cousin was like “welp.. I guess you are staying in the hospital and never coming home”

he finally got his shot.

cant wait to go home and see him in a few weeks.

tough love yo..

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31. "Guess the hospital will take care of yo ignant ass"
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Exactly what your cousin said! I tell all my friend's and family who will not get vaccinated that I will not be taking care of them if they get sick. I will order some delivery and cash app a few coins.

If you choose to take COVID into your own hands and trust your immune system, then you are on your own in the "deep state" medical system.

My family has come to far to risk it on someone who doesn't want to protect themselves.

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33. "Smh…sister-in-law is not vaxxed…"
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so, we’re at a graduation party for a young cousin of my wife…graduated from Butler and is about to go to law school. Little restaurant setup. Everyone came in with masks then took them off. We’re at a table with myself, wife, mother in law, her guy, sister in law, a cousin and his wife. We’re done eating, just chilling when SIL puts her mask back on. The cousin, who I’m pretty cool with is like…chill we all Pfizered up, fam. SIL: I ain’t get that shit. We looking like: 😬😬😬😬. Cousin…who’s been sitting next to her eating, drinking and laughing for an hour is like, c’mon. She goes on with the whole ‘we don’t know what’s in it’ routine. Says a coworker of hers parents both died after getting the vaccine (WHAT?!?!) and some more stuff. She, her husband and her sons (19, 23) have not gotten it. Neither one of them even lives with her. They could go for self. Also, the 23 year old has a son that just turned 2. It’s hard to understand, man. I’ve known her for hella long and we’re tight, but yo.

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15. "that delta varient was 1 percent last month in the US. now its gaining"
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traction, up to 10%.

i'm not concern, just annoyed. yet this pandemic pushed me to do quite a few things i normally wouldnt have done ie an online business, taking online "brush up" skills classes, housing renovations, investing, spending alot of time with the fur babies.

take a message

  

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18. "its been a blessing and a curse for me"
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def saved a ton of money

but the kids were stressed out and working remotely and “ignoring them” was a bad feeling.

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20. "I'm not comfortable until my 3 year old is vaccinated"
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Until that point it's still COVID season to me.

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21. "not so much. my whole housefull is vaxxed. so are my mom"
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and MIL. whenever they mention a new one, the vax companies are quick to say there should be basically no issues if you're got the shots.

I do hope more people get the shots tho. some parts of of the country will def be hit hard if they continue with the low vax rates.

the low rate places may not change unless they're force to via jobs, churches, and other places make it mandatory, which is probably gonna happen anyway.

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22. "nah im off that covid shit"
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23. "Cliff Paul looking at yall real funny right now"
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24. "lmao.. I was like Cliff? Who the f is Cliff? "
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Well played…

but I also side eye that man. Every playoff is some Final Destination type shit.

Like he escaped a career ending injury at Wake Forest and its been after him ever since

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26. "Is he sick?"
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Don't know if he's vaccinated (he is, according to Jalen Rose).
But if he is vaccinated, the data shows he's unlikely to become very ill and unlikely to spread the disease.

The NBA needs to update their protocols to take into account vaccinations.

  

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27. "His kids were born in 2009 and 2012"
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Making them 12 and 9

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28. "And?"
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29. "Don't be daft."
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30. "and they are not vaccinated"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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32. "RE: and they are not vaccinated"
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1). If he is vaccinated, it is unlikely that he will spread it.
2). In the off chance he does spread it to them: Children who get COVID tend to experience no symptoms or very minor symptoms (https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/coronavirus-outbreak-and-kids)

The kids will be fine.

  

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46. "I haven't heard anyone speak about it but when Phoenix swept Denver..."
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CP3 actually climbed into the stands to hug his family so he obviously thought he couldn't get it

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50. "The science says you're unlikely to get it if you're vaccinated"
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But that if you do the vaccine keeps it from being a severe case. That's encouraging.
I hug my unvaccinated kids every single day.
But if you catch it ... knowing you're vaccinated and you gotta be around anyone that's not, whether it's kids or people with auto immune diseases or people on certain medicines ... I'd imagine it's gut wrenching. To know that there's even the slightest possibly that you'd get them sick.

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66. "Climbed into the stands? Well now we know why he is in protocol"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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25. "There is something here I can't seem to see. "
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feels like another shoe that hasnt dropped yet.


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34. "nah, not really"
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if large numbers of vaccinated people start dropping dead or getting gravely ill, i'll start to worry

but so far even with these variants vaccinated people seem fine after testing positive, to the point that the only people we hear testing positive are athletes or entertainers who only realize they are positive because they have to be tested. Obviously more of us have it, but if i don't even notice it, it's not something I'm gonna stress over.

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36. "What would constitute large numbers?"
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37. "significant numbers? we all know people who got sick from covid"
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some of us had it. most of us know people who were hospitalized, died, or lost loved ones.

as of now i'm not personally in my world seeing any of this from breakthrough cases of vaccinated people. I know a few who had a day long reaction to the shot, and one unvaccinated friend who is sick now with covid.

I'm sure I can google and dig up cases of some vaccinated people getting really sick but that doesn't make it cause for alarm. for me anyway.

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38. "The # of vaccinated people hospitalized recently is insanely low."
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Like, as of a week or two ago, whenever the last report was from the CDC, the number of vaccinated people hospitalized due to COVID symptoms was, like, 2500 or something. Out of the nearly 150 million vaccinated, lol.

So yeah, I agree that I'm not aggressively concerned for myself about variants right now. Shit could always happen, but that's true with every disease, basically.

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39. "Just trying to get a number..."
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We are almost at 5,000 documented deaths from vaccine according to VAERS, which claims to only get about 10% reporting.

What number are you OK with?

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40. "Question: Are you being an idiot on purpose?"
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>We are almost at 5,000 documented deaths from vaccine
>according to VAERS, which claims to only get about 10%
>reporting.
>
>What number are you OK with?

VAERS is a fucking form on a website. Want to get the number to "5,001 document cases" just go there are fucking put one in. Make up a name, and a reason and hey, it's up to 5,001 now.

Here you go; https://vaers.hhs.gov/esub/index.jsp

VAERS is a FUCKING FORM - all 5,000 "documented deaths" could be 100% bullshit -or they could ALL be true - there's no way to fucking know.

Also, if your 17 you can click "I'm over 18' and see porn - it's the same system design.


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41. "That escalated quickly"
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I asked a question, with no judgement at all. A simple question.

I didn't give my own number. I didn't call anybody anything. I didn't say the vaccine was good or bad, that the other poster was right or wrong...

He said "significant number" and I just asked what that number would be....

You mad?

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42. "Thanks a lot Tucker Carlson"
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>I asked a question, with no judgement at all. A simple
>question.
A stupid fucking question using the stupid fucking defense of 'I'm just asking''

You're the real-life disingenuous shoulder shrug emoji.

Nearly 10% of Americans have contracted Covid and almost 600,000 have DIED from it. And lord knows how many will have lasting effects.

I'll let the professional determine the number of 'acceptable losses' and not some random post on a hip hop board.

But to answer you question - the original poster would be fine with 99% death rate from vaccination - he's a real fucking monster and lusts for souls.





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44. "LOL"
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Ya'll mad af jeez.

I never said hes a monster, just wondering what is an OK number. You are the one putting all types of extras on what I said, all assumptions.

If you asked me instead of just attacked me, I'd also answer that 5k is nothing and not worth concern IRT vaccine. I was just wondering what the original posters number was.



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45. "breh.. some of these folk are unhinged, lol"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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54. "you talking about the dumb motherfuckers who cite fake numbers"
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43. "it's better if someone else makes up the number"
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that's more believable than if you make it up

you dumb fuck

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48. "i don't have a number for you. for me it has to hit home"
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i personally know dozens of people who have had covid and 3 who died. most people i know have the same experience with lost loved ones, etc..

as of now the number of post vaccinated people getting sick in my world is zero

if that changes, so will my level of concern. but there's no magic number

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49. "How many unvaccinated have died?"
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Survey says: somewhere around 600K.

600K vs 5k.

Which number looks better to you?

At best, you're implying that vaccines aren't 100% effective in all cases.

In which case, congrats, we know that already. Same goes for condoms, home security systems, and myriad other protection methods. It's a practically useless talking point in that case.

Let's say that "10% reporting" number is accurate, what do you think the real number is, if 100% was reported?

Do you think every 10% of reporting will equate to the same 5k deaths? I doubt that holds, but I really haven't the slightest idea either way. But let's say that real number is 50K, for shits and giggles. In fact, just make one up from thin air, which isn't a stretch.

Because whatever that number is, we have to make a shit ton of assumptions just to reach that number. So get that data first.

Or, get the data that shows how much of the reporting we're actually receiving, and then get the as-yet unreported data.

The "just asking questions" schtick is great- but until/unless you're doing the legwork to actually get those answers, all you're doing is sewing baseless mistrust against vaccines.

At worst, you're making a case against being vaccinated.

In which case, you're actively contributing to a significant amount of harm because that movement does not exist in a vacuum.

You may well fall somewhere on a spectrum between those two extremes. I don't know. But this antivaxx shit is for the birds, and even folks who dance on the edges of it are contributing toward a dangerous trend.

The whole "what number are you ok with" is absurd.

It's a motherfucking non-sequitur, to keep it 100.

Not just because vaccinated people who are getting- and dying from- COVID are ridiculously low, but also because COVID 19 hasn't just killed large swaths of people, many of those who have survived have long lasting, if not permanent issues as a result.

I have no doubt that a small number of vaccinated people will still wind up catching it. But your "what number is ok with you" line is such a simplistic line of questioning that it begs the question:

Are you genuinely obtuse, or just willfully ignorant? Because there isn't much of a gray area there.

  

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51. "Don't legitimize that 5k. He's saying that many died FROM the vaccine"
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In a world where people freaked out over 5 people potentially got ill from the J&J vaccine, 5000 people quietly died from the vaccines. cmon lol.


It's an anti-vaxxer and a (wait for legsdiamond......) Fox News talking point.

  

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53. "I'm not giving him anything but the sake of argument"
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Because it looks absurd even granting him all sorts of caveats.

  

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56. "Thats what VAERS says, not me"
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I may have mis-interpreted OP, I read died FROM vaccine not WITH vaccine from COVID.

So my bad for taking ya'll down the VAERs rabbit-hole, that was a misread now that I'm re-reading Mynoritis post.


I have no clue how many vaxxed folks died from COVID so far, but I'm sure the nubmer is very low, which is great.


The disregard and lack of empathy for the 5K, or whatever number that is that died from vaccine, however, is a bit ugly. Not a Fox News point, but a human one.

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52. "RE: How many unvaccinated have died?"
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>Survey says: somewhere around 600K.
>
>600K vs 5k.
>
>Which number looks better to you?

Totally agreed, and I never purported to compare the death numbers from COVID to vaccine. The only thing I would say in response is that it took over a year to reach 600K, we are at 5K (supposedly) within 2-3 months. I also recognize that that is a much lower number than COVID deaths in first 3 months so even that was said with a grain of salt.


>
>At best, you're implying that vaccines aren't 100% effective
>in all cases.


I didn't imply anything. Again, I asked a question to hone in on a number.

>
>In which case, congrats, we know that already. Same goes for
>condoms, home security systems, and myriad other protection
>methods. It's a practically useless talking point in that
>case.
>
>Let's say that "10% reporting" number is accurate, what do you
>think the real number is, if 100% was reported?


I have no clue. I never said I trusted the CDC/VAERS data either. I just put it out there for sake of debate and to give OP a framework/reference point to answer with a number.

>
>Do you think every 10% of reporting will equate to the same 5k
>deaths? I doubt that holds, but I really haven't the slightest
>idea either way. But let's say that real number is 50K, for
>shits and giggles. In fact, just make one up from thin air,
>which isn't a stretch.
>
>Because whatever that number is, we have to make a shit ton of
>assumptions just to reach that number. So get that data first.


Another question that will probably get me fried...but what do you mean by shit ton of assumptions? What data do you want or would you consider relevant?




>
>
>Or, get the data that shows how much of the reporting we're
>actually receiving, and then get the as-yet unreported data.
>
>The "just asking questions" schtick is great- but until/unless
>you're doing the legwork to actually get those answers, all
>you're doing is sewing baseless mistrust against vaccines.
>
>At worst, you're making a case against being vaccinated.


Again, ya'll are putting a lot of extras on a simple question. I aint said shit for or against the vaxx in here.

It is a FACT though that in the VAERS system there were like 200 deaths a year, we already at 4500+ in 2021. Not an anti-COVID vaxx fact, per se, but a fact nonetheless. The point from another poster above about VAERS being a form is well-taken, and considered as well. Again, I'm not here to spin this as an anti vaxx thing, just trying to get a feel for what the limits/boundaries are here. You are free to ask me for mine if you would like as well...


>
>In which case, you're actively contributing to a significant
>amount of harm because that movement does not exist in a
>vacuum.
>
>You may well fall somewhere on a spectrum between those two
>extremes. I don't know. But this antivaxx shit is for the
>birds, and even folks who dance on the edges of it are
>contributing toward a dangerous trend.
>
>The whole "what number are you ok with" is absurd.
>
>It's a motherfucking non-sequitur, to keep it 100.



That's a fair critique, much better than "you are an idiot." Again, I saw a poster say "a significant number" and I was curious as to what that would be.

My intentions was never to push anti-vaxx anything...



>
>Not just because vaccinated people who are getting- and dying
>from- COVID are ridiculously low, but also because COVID 19
>hasn't just killed large swaths of people, many of those who
>have survived have long lasting, if not permanent issues as a
>result.
>
>I have no doubt that a small number of vaccinated people will
>still wind up catching it. But your "what number is ok with
>you" line is such a simplistic line of questioning that it
>begs the question:
>
>Are you genuinely obtuse, or just willfully ignorant? Because
>there isn't much of a gray area there.

Word.




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55. "you should take up base jumping"
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58. "Don't start that shit. We know exactly what you're hinting at. "
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The implication there is every bit as the implication in that question.

  

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59. "what am I hinting at?"
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61. "Yeah I'm not playing that game, you know what the fuck you're"
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saying.

  

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69. "yeah, I'm saying dude should get an exciting hobby I think he'll like"
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and if he dies by accident then neither of us have anything to be sad about

seems like a win/win/win to me idk what you're angry about

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57. "Fair enough, however-"
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>>Survey says: somewhere around 600K.
>>
>>600K vs 5k.
>>
>>Which number looks better to you?
>
>Totally agreed, and I never purported to compare the death
>numbers from COVID to vaccine. The only thing I would say in
>response is that it took over a year to reach 600K, we are at
>5K (supposedly) within 2-3 months. I also recognize that that
>is a much lower number than COVID deaths in first 3 months so
>even that was said with a grain of salt.

>>At best, you're implying that vaccines aren't 100% effective
>>in all cases.
>I didn't imply anything. Again, I asked a question to hone in
>on a number.

The question was: what would constitute large numbers. You then cited 5,000 vaccinated people who have died.

It's hard to argue that that does not definitely imply that vaccines aren't effective.

>I have no clue. I never said I trusted the CDC/VAERS data
>either. I just put it out there for sake of debate and to
>give OP a framework/reference point to answer with a number.

But your questions have implications that follow general antivaxx sentiments.

And your question is problematic, as I've explained.

Further, if you're *just* asking questions, then that's a problem, because those questions are empty and only serve to raise doubts.

There are various ways to ask questions.

"Just asking questions" is a way to make a statement while retaining plausible deniability and responsibility for the ideas one is putting forth.

Conversely, were you using the Socratic Method, you would be attempting to reveal a bias, presupposition, or flaw in someone's epistemology of some kind, which is particularly useful in a disagreeable discussion.

It does not appear that that is what you're doing, however.

So I'd need you to clarify where you're going with that line of questioning, because the question is problematic, as is.

>Another question that will probably get me fried...but what do
>you mean by shit ton of assumptions? What data do you want or
>would you consider relevant?

Because you cited 5k vaccinated dead, and then cited that this with only 10% reporting- which unarguably implies that the actual number is far greater.

And we'd have to make assumptions to get to whatever that greater number is. But we don't know what that number is, and an empty, "just asking questions" style question just puts the idea into the ether, with no real direction or attempt at answering the question.

If you're saying that we have 5k deaths with 10% reporting, some of the data we'd need would be the information I list in the next passage.

>Again, ya'll are putting a lot of extras on a simple question.
> I aint said shit for or against the vaxx in here.

Again, your question has implications, absent more clarification on your part.

>It is a FACT though that in the VAERS system there were like
>200 deaths a year, we already at 4500+ in 2021.

Cool.

>anti-COVID vaxx fact, per se, but a fact nonetheless. The
>point from another poster above about VAERS being a form is
>well-taken, and considered as well. Again, I'm not here to
>spin this as an anti vaxx thing, just trying to get a feel for
>what the limits/boundaries are here. You are free to ask me
>for mine if you would like as well...

Again, your question has strong antivaxx implications.

As I stated above, the number of deaths of vaccinated people is dramatically lower. So the dramatically lower number is preferable, and absolutely necessary for survival.

With due respect, you need to expound on your question, lay out a path with more pointed questions, or something. You need to rehabilitate your question in a big way for it to look like anything other than antivaxx sentiment.

I'm not calling you that quite yet, but your question does quack like that particular duck. Whether or not that reflects your overall ideaology is a different story and I won't put that on you until/unless further evidence solidifies that, but fam... you're on that path as far as I can tell.

  

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62. "RE: Fair enough, however-"
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First of all, thank you for a good faith and honest answer. And thank you for answering for me to RJCC, who off principle I would never respond to here, even before this post.

I understand that my questions seem to have implications, but I definitely did not intend for them to be pro or anti vaxx. Mynoriti said something about deaths of vaccinated, which I semi misread / misinterpreted, and it made me curious to see what deaths amongst vaccinated are (as that was what I had understood her to mean). I saw the VAERS data and was a bit shocked to see it close to 5K deaths in the last 3 months. That is what prompted me to ask the question, how many deaths are we OK with?

I suppose your Socratic Method is what I most am looking for - the biases and presuppositions in our arguments. B/c to me OKP seems to be clearly in line with the CDC for 2 years strong, but not their program VAERS. To me its a bit confusing to see hundreds of posts "THE CDC IS RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING" and then as soon as it leads elsewhere "NOT THAT PART FUCK YOU"


To be clear, I think 5K deaths in the vacccinated is obviously much more acceptable than 600K COVID deaths. But I also don't think "comparing" deaths is really a game that anybody should play, and I do believe it's been problematic in the COVID response.

As mentioned earlier, it seems to me that OKP is looking at one set of deaths with empathy and care, but disregarding another set.

If my line of questioning were to lead anywhere, it would be moreso towards a consistent standard of how we view death, health, disease, policy, etc...which is why I was looking for some numbers to give us boundaries/parameters/etc...

This seems to follow a similar logic to the Kamala post...if Trump says it then its the end of the world, but if Kamala/Joe say it then we will find a way to justify it. I ain't really with that. I want some consistency and standards. I'm not saying I aint with you, but I ain't with you just to be with you or just to say fuck you to the other side. That doesnt seem like the way forward to me.

Either way, thank you for taking the time to answer and debate like a normal human being.





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63. "Here's what the CDC says about VAERS"
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https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensuringsafety/monitoring/vaers/index.html

In bold: "As an early warning system, VAERS cannot prove that a vaccine caused a problem. Specifically, a report to VAERS does not mean that a vaccine caused an adverse event."

From the FAQs: One of the main limitations of VAERS data is that it cannot determine if the vaccine caused the reported adverse event. This limitation has caused confusion in the publicly available data from VAERS WONDER, specifically regarding the number of reported deaths. There have been instances where people have misinterpreted reports of deaths following vaccination as deaths caused by the vaccines; that is not accurate. VAERS accepts all reports of adverse health events following vaccinations without judging whether the vaccine caused the adverse health event. Some reports to VAERS represent true vaccine reactions and others are coincidental adverse health events and not related to vaccination. Overall, a causal relationship cannot be established using information from VAERS report alone.

  

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64. "RE: Here's what the CDC says about VAERS"
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Thats useful to know, and I appreciate and understand that being a facet of the VAERS system and its efficacy (or lack thereof).

With that being said, is there NO concern about the VAERS numbers jumping from 10-20 a month for YEARS to 1000+/month? Do you think a bunch of MAGA folks just started filling out VAERS forms to fuck with the numbers or create a narrative?


That question is sincere and is not anti-vaxx. I'm legit asking what do you think is happening inside the VAERS system.


Also, this is undoubtedly a bit more of a MAGA-style question in todays climate, but it's one that came up to me reading that quote ...

Isn't the VAERS explanation you copied a bit similar to the confusion that sometimes revolves around COVID cause of death? What I mean is, since majority of COVID deaths involve 2-3 co-morbidities, couldn't somebody playing devils advocate write something similar - "Not all COVID deaths are purely COVID, the numbers arent perfectly accurate because we are attributing to COVID but really they were X Y Z?"


"VAERS accepts all reports of adverse health events following vaccinations without judging whether the vaccine caused the adverse health event. Some reports to VAERS represent true vaccine reactions and others are coincidental adverse health events and not related to vaccination."

CAN ALSO BE... (changes in capital letters)

"CDC/WHO accepts all reports of CORONAVIRUS DEATHS without judging whether the CORONAVIRUS caused the DEATH. Some reports to CDC/WHO represent true COVID DEATHS and others are coincidental DEATHS CAUSED BY CO MORBIDITIES and not SOLELY COVID."

I hope my point gets across without seeming to be insensitive to COVID or anti-vaxx.


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47. "Good read on Delta Variant (thread)"
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https://twitter.com/Bob_Wachter/status/1404151507998724096

  

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60. "RE: Are you concerned about the new Covid variants? "
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>Was going to put this in CW but dude is slipping this week
>
>I find myself not giving a fuck when I hear about these new
>variants. Maybe its due to summer or I’m just over it.
>
>Don’t want to sound like a skeptic but I’m really on some
>“its over”
>
>

I’ve been vaccinated fully since April. Whole family at the house and my mama outside of it too.

I’ve been to Mexico 2x since then.

I am struggling quite a bit with remaining concerned. Aka I’m starting to feel like it’s over because I am getting comfortable with the idea/ideal that I am TEMPORARILY safer than I was before the vaccine.

But then I remember…other countries aren’t as vaccinated. And Murrica has hella folks who also won’t get vaccinated. There’s everything from medical issues/not getting cleared to do it to the good old arms folded folks who aren’t gonna do it no matter what. We could waste a bunch of time right the fuck here but I won’t.

But there’s no way around it: if the unvaccinated are still at risk, then I probably am too. MAYBE to a lesser degree FOR NOW. MAYBE? Shit, I don’t know. Yes, I’d feel better if the vaccination numbers could get up to 90-ish percent or at least a number where I could think ‘okay, this is damn near everyone’. No, I don’t think it’s gonna happen.

So, tldr, I’m not concerned right now cuz my house is vaccinated, but I could see shit getting ‘back bad’ by Halloween. And, as it stands, I’m gonna want to blame unvaccinated folks for it if so. But shit, I don’t really fucking know.

  

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65. "have an old friend who posted a lot of covid hoax stuff"
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and would rant about some of his posts getting fact check flagged as disinformation

then around January he caught a bad case of and was hospitalized for weeks. He posted some hospital pics with a humble rant about how he thought he was superman and knew everything and turns out he's not and doesn't know shit. Everyone wished him well, and many dropped variations of "i told you so, homie"

a month later he was posting about his recovery and trying to get back into shape and how hard working out was because the covid took so much out of him.

not much to do with this post but it made me curious if he was saying anything about vaccines because I hadn't heard from him.

So on his IG, new pics were all regular stuff but his hospital and recovery pics are all gone, but all the covid hoax, anti-mask, fauci is evil memes he posted right before he was hospitalized are all sill there

I could just ask him about it but i doubt it's gonna be productive lol

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67. "c'mon now..."
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YOU HAVE TO ASK.

The most priceless thing would be if dude tried to go all 'my medical records are my business' after posting all of his curled up in the hospital pics and soaking up that sympathy.

>and would rant about some of his posts getting fact check
>flagged as disinformation
>
>then around January he caught a bad case of and was
>hospitalized for weeks. He posted some hospital pics with a
>humble rant about how he thought he was superman and knew
>everything and turns out he's not and doesn't know shit.
>Everyone wished him well, and many dropped variations of "i
>told you so, homie"
>
>a month later he was posting about his recovery and trying to
>get back into shape and how hard working out was because the
>covid took so much out of him.
>
>not much to do with this post but it made me curious if he was
>saying anything about vaccines because I hadn't heard from
>him.
>
>So on his IG, new pics were all regular stuff but his hospital
>and recovery pics are all gone, but all the covid hoax,
>anti-mask, fauci is evil memes he posted right before he was
>hospitalized are all sill there
>
>I could just ask him about it but i doubt it's gonna be
>productive lol

  

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68. "Lol"
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we go way back but this is someone i haven't hung out with in nearly 20 years, and not really a pick up where we left off level of friendship. more of a 'hows your fam, good to hear from you, we should get a drink one of these days (but never do) type of friendship. it's too random a thing to reach out just for that.

if he starts posting anti-vaxx stuff i'll bring it up tho lol

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70. "word. just a quick text on some, "how them lungs doin', champ?" nm"
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peace & blessings,

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