but it was an MLK march in DC on the anniversary of the MLK speech
smh.. they trying it tho.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
2. "its an issue if they can prove he lied on the jury questionnaire." In response to Reply # 1
what would happen next *if* that were true...i don't know/
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79555 posts
Tue May-04-21 12:26 PM
4. "lied about attending a George Floyd rally or a police brutality rally" In response to Reply # 3
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
6. "but wouldn't he NOT have lied if it was an MLK celebration..." In response to Reply # 4
and NOT an BLM/George Floyd protest?
i mean, i get it I GUESS, but that's another flaw of our legal system...there is almost this expectation that jurors be robots.
i mean, replace him w/ a black OR white juror who is against police running roughshod over black and brown bodies but just never went to a march - is the verdict gonna be different? highly unlikely.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79555 posts
Tue May-04-21 02:29 PM
7. "he’s not lying.. but you know how they do. All rally’s look the same" In response to Reply # 6
they see Black people marching and it’s automatically a BLM protest.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
5. "attending a BLM/George Floyd protest." In response to Reply # 3
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79555 posts
Wed May-05-21 12:27 PM
10. "This feels like a set up" In response to Reply # 9
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
Your wardrobe doesn't affect your ability to make a judgement based on fact.
Unless he was asked questions and lied about his clothing, this is a non issue.
The defense had their opportunity to eliminate potential jurors who they believed not to be impartial. You can't, after the fact, dig into their backgrounds to say that they shouldn't have been jurors.
12. "Correct me if I'm wrong (genuine question here no snark) .." In response to Reply # 11 Wed May-05-21 12:48 PM by Brew
... but isn't the whole point of the motion that this guy lied on his jury questionnaire about whether or not he even attended any rallies like this ? Nevermind what he wore etc. ?
If so, nothing you said is relevant - no matter how much I agree with it in theory - and they could very well grant a new trial.
16. "I was replying to a post on what the guy was wearing" In response to Reply # 12
< <... but isn't the whole point of the motion <that this guy lied on his jury questionnaire <about whether or not he even attended any <rallies like this <
The questionnaire asks "...have you, or anyone close to you, participated in protests about police use of force or police brutality?"
Unless any gathering of black folks is automatically considered a protest on police use of force, I can't see this going very far
Look at what they are saying he said in the screening.
Mitchell separately told Chauvin's attorney during the jury selection process that he had a “very favorable” opinion of the Black Lives Matter movement and that some police officers are “great guys." He insisted he could be impartial during the trial.
The March is not a Police Protest March. He was pretty clear how he felt about BLM and didn't hide anything.
They will make us try and tear apart this brother or debate whether the march was a police protest march but its all distraction.
Unfortunately they will use this to try and say the outcome was rigged, we shouldn't assist them in that stupid narrative.
********** "Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79555 posts
Wed May-05-21 01:29 PM
15. "yeah.. I read he admitted he was sympathetic to BLM" In response to Reply # 14
but the “knee on my neck” tshirt still worries me
just smells like something that could fugh up the conviction or reduce his sentence
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
19. "Hey Buddy, what do alternate jurors do?" In response to Reply # 14
Are they a thing in part for situations like this?
Cuz I'm over here thinking, if you had 13-14 jurors (1 or 2 of whom are designated alternates, whose votes are only applied to the total in the event there's an issue with jurors 1-12) instead of 12, you could avoid needing to overturn decisions.
However 1.) That's vastly more people serving jury duty 2.) Perhaps there would be issues with having "lower stakes" jurors participating in the process?
20. "they are there in case jurors get dismissed during the trial." In response to Reply # 19
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
21. "Alternates don't take part in the deliberation " In response to Reply # 19
They sit for the entire case thinking they are possibly a regular juror. Then at the end, they are told they are not needed and they can go home.
I think your proposed fix could get messy real easy since the decision making environment is changed. If people know they are alternates, they might behave differently.
With the same set of facts: *As an alternate voter, you might vote guilty because you are independent of everyone else, and what they think has no influence on you. You're not a part of the consensus.
*But put together with 11 other jurors, you might choose to vote not guilty (because of peer pressure and all that, which is part of the process)
22. "I am not a litigator but my understanding is it will take a lot more tha..." In response to Reply # 19
a discrepancy over answering the questionnaire (which I do not think actually happened here, I think his answers were honest) is not enough to overturn a jury verdict. If they had discovered this mid-trial they easily could have had him booted for an alternative juror, but once that verdict is rendered it takes hella lot to overturn. You basically have to prove there would have been a different outcome but for this juror. If this was a case where he was the lone juror holding out for a conviction when everyone else was against it, maybe.
That doesn't seem to be the case here.
I know we can't trust the system but it would be such a huge deal if they overturned on these grounds. Think about all the verdicts that could be overturn if all you have to do when you lose is go back and scrutinize jurors answers to a questionnaire?
********** "Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
18. "can we just step waaaaaay the fuck back for a second?" In response to Reply # 0
I mean, i get the whole points with this circus
BUUUUT
do you notice...
do you see...
how this shit has been flipped? how saying "life matters. do black lives not matter? killing us like dogs has to stop now" makes people snarl like angry dogs?
"YO, DIS MOTHERFUCKING JUROR IS AGAINST BLACK PEOPLE BEING KILLED LIKE ANIMALS"
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