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81 DUN
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"Kellen Winslow II 14 years raped homeless 54 yo woman. WTF???"
Sat Feb-20-21 04:12 PM by 81 DUN

  

          

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30931684/kellen-winslow-ii-faces-14-years-prison-plea-change-rape-assaults

Must be some kinda mental health issue goin on there. Was he mixed in with Aaron Hernandez that might be it??? Crazy

  

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Everything can't be put on CTE. There are just some bad people in the wo...
Feb 20th 2021
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Bullshit.
Feb 20th 2021
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Baseball has a huge issue with DV
Feb 20th 2021
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RE: Baseball has a huge issue with DV
Feb 21st 2021
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you're not paying attention, then
Feb 21st 2021
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lol i'm saying though
Feb 22nd 2021
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the nfl has a lower prevalence of these crimes than the general public.
Feb 22nd 2021
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RE: the nfl has a lower prevalence of these crimes than the general publ...
Feb 22nd 2021
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I think any model failing to at least adjust for age and race would also...
Feb 22nd 2021
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It's not clear from that fig whether the percentages represent relative
Feb 22nd 2021
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Your point about position makes a ton of sense tho. Has it been shown??
Feb 22nd 2021
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basically
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Old Old News
Feb 20th 2021
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PimpTrickGangstaClik
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1. "Everything can't be put on CTE. There are just some bad people in the wo..."
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And the NFL is part of the world.

Not saying it's not possible CTE had an influence on his behavior. But it seems like whenever a football player does anything, CTE is automatically the blame

  

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allStah
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3. "Bullshit."
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This is a recurring theme with FOOTBALL players

Suicide. Rape. Domestic Abuse. Violence.

Other sports don’t have these constant cases of extreme violent behavior.

Crazy how it’s with mostly receivers and defensive players....receivers take serious hits
defensive players give serious hits.

But Football players in general develop a lot of mental issues from playing football.

“ Eden Hazard earned his 100th MOTM award, only Messi and Ronaldo have more since 2009/10. Third greatest player of this Era. “

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4. "Baseball has a huge issue with DV"
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allStah
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5. "RE: Baseball has a huge issue with DV"
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Yes. I’m not denying that.

I’m talking about constant EXTREME cases of violence, no matter
if it’s self inflicted or done to someone else.





“ Eden Hazard earned his 100th MOTM award, only Messi and Ronaldo have more since 2009/10. Third greatest player of this Era. “

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6. "you're not paying attention, then"
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>Other sports don’t have these constant cases of extreme
>violent behavior.

cuz this is absolutely not true.

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7. "lol i'm saying though"
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I can rattle off like 6 UFC incidents off the top of my head

  

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Reeq
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8. "the nfl has a lower prevalence of these crimes than the general public."
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https://fivethirtyeight.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/morris-datalab-nfl-vaw-2.png?w=610

so what are we blaming it on for the rest of the country?

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10. "RE: the nfl has a lower prevalence of these crimes than the general publ..."
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yeah but if you control for wealth that idea flies out the window

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kfine
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12. "I think any model failing to at least adjust for age and race would also..."
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be poorly specified, since NFL players obv tend to be younger and more racialized than the general population - especially comparing to the wealthy. You raise a good point tho.

Maybe an analysis comparing football players to players of other relevant contact sports (eg. boxing, MMA, rugby? soccer bc of the headbutts?) and adjusting for variables like age, race, income, etc might be more informative at this stage (or perhaps there are some already, I didn't search before replying you)... to get a sense if there really is more risk to players from football and/or the biz of football compared to other sports where similar injuries occur...






>yeah but if you control for wealth that idea flies out the
>window

  

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kfine
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11. "It's not clear from that fig whether the percentages represent relative"
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risk or a proportion tho... would you happen to have a link to their full piece/methodology?? I can't from that URL

Because if they were speaking epidemiologically than those percentages could be interpreted as 55.4% *increased* risk of domestic violence among NFL players relative to the general population, for example. 0% would mean the incidence rates in both the NFL sample and general population sample were approx the same.

But the figure could also be interpreted as the domestic violence incidence rate among NFL players is 55.4% that of the general population's rate.

Which could also be valid, it's just not clear what they mean from their labelling. I instinctively assumed they were speaking epidemiologically tho, and I could be wrong.

  

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13. "Your point about position makes a ton of sense tho. Has it been shown??"
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Like is it rare to see folks who played quarterback, kicker, etc in these cases?

(Note: I don't really follow sports, so apologies if this is a dumb question and/or obv answer lol)


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>Crazy how it’s with mostly receivers and defensive
>players....receivers take serious hits
>defensive players give serious hits.

  

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9. "basically"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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allStah
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2. "Old Old News"
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Sat Feb-20-21 04:44 PM by allStah

          

This happened a few years ago, he just pleaded the charges down to
have his sentences reduced.

He definitely suffers from CTE on top of having an abnormal sexual fixation for
elderly women. I think he was already chemically unbalanced mentally before he
got to the Pros. But if you couple that mental makeup with taking on numerous hits
on the football field, makes for a very unstable person.

I remember his Browns teammates said all he did outside of football was play
video games and watch pornography.

He should have been handled by a psychologist and given medical weed to
offset the mental imbalance.

There are a lot of mentally unstable athletes in football, and the NFL does not give a fuck.

Year after year, you here shit like this regarding football players. Right up there with
Darren Sharper.

And Vincent Jackson recently ended his life.



“ Eden Hazard earned his 100th MOTM award, only Messi and Ronaldo have more since 2009/10. Third greatest player of this Era. “

Bulls | Bears | White Sox | Yankees | Notre Dame | Illinois | Chelsea | Real Madrid

  

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