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"Yang back (?)"
Mon Jan-11-21 05:48 PM by Bambino Grande

          


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/11/nyregion/andrew-yang-mayor-nyc.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage


Can Andrew Yang Make It in New York City Politics?

Mr. Yang has name recognition, fund-raising ability and some different ideas on how to run a government. How will that play in a city ravaged by the pandemic?

In the last few months, the man who would be New York’s most famous mayoral candidate acted like anything but one.

He spent more time barnstorming Georgia than he did the five boroughs. He openly contemplated cabinet roles and lobbied Washington lawmakers around stimulus relief. And he often made television appearances from his weekend home in the Hudson Valley rather than from his apartment in Hell’s Kitchen.

Andrew Yang has a habit of practicing politics in unexpected ways.

He began the presidential race as an unknown candidate and stayed relevant longer than more accomplished politicians did, building an ardent fan base through his quirky style, warnings about automation and championing of a universal basic income. He now turns to the New York City mayor’s race with significant name recognition, a vivid social media presence and a demonstrated ability to raise money.

But he is still every bit the unorthodox contender, and that approach offers Mr. Yang both opportunities and monumental challenges in the race to lead New York out of a pandemic-fueled crisis. His candidacy — which may be officially announced as early as this week — would offer a clear test of whether New Yorkers want a splashy but inexperienced contender with bold ideas for navigating the city’s recovery, or whether a mood of citywide emergency propels a more familiar local figure with a traditional governing background.

Mr. Yang, who most recently has been a CNN commentator, nonprofit founder, campaign surrogate and podcast host, embraces being a political outsider in a city where he has lived for 24 years — indeed, he has never voted for mayor, the office he is poised to seek.

Now, he is betting that he would instantly inject a dose of star power into a muddled, crowded field, and that his pledges to be an ambitiously anti-poverty candidate would resonate in an economically ravaged city.

But he is also sure to face scrutiny and pressure of a wholly different magnitude than he ever confronted as a genial presidential candidate who dropped out last February, as voters, rivals and the news media dissect his experience, views and basic knowledge of the city.

“If someone’s looking for a candidate who has spent the last couple decades steeped in city government, like, I will likely not be their candidate,” Mr. Yang said in a Friday morning interview from his weekend home in New Paltz, N.Y., about 80 miles outside Manhattan.

Mr. Yang, left, began the presidential race as an unknown candidate and stayed relevant longer than more accomplished politicians.Credit...Brittainy Newman/The New York Times
Detailing the public health and economic challenges facing New York, he continued, “If you look at that situation and say, ‘Hey, city government has been working great for us, and we need someone who has been a part of the firmament for X number of years,’ I would disagree with that assessment.”

Mr. Yang grew up in Schenectady, N.Y. and Westchester County, attended Columbia Law School and stayed in New York City afterward, working, raising two young children and maintaining fond memories of Mayor Ed Koch from his suburban childhood.

He has a slate of ideas for revitalizing a city reeling from the pandemic, proposing “the biggest implementation” of a basic income in the country, addressing broadband internet access and urging the establishment of a “people’s bank of New York” to assist struggling New Yorkers. Some operatives and lawmakers doubt the feasibility of his vision, and Mr. Yang, a neophyte when it comes to city political battles, will need to explain how he would achieve such sweeping goals given the city’s staggering financial challenges.

Although he has never run for office in New York, Mr. Yang’s presidential bid showcased his fund-raising ability, especially among small-dollar donors. He has a larger national network than typical mayoral candidates, and intends to announce Martin Luther King III as a co-chair of the campaign, Mr. King confirmed.

Mr. Yang has also enlisted the prominent New York operatives Bradley Tusk and Chris Coffey, and has been in touch with New York political figures including members of the congressional delegation; the City Council speaker, Corey Johnson; the city’s public advocate, Jumaane Williams; the Queens borough president, Donovan Richards Jr.; as well as union leaders, legislators and stakeholders like the Rev. Al Sharpton.

But for much of his career — he has a mixed record of success in the nonprofit and start-up worlds — he has plainly been absent from New York politics.

“Is he a New Yorker? I don’t even know,” said Kathryn S. Wylde, who leads the Partnership for New York City, an influential business organization. “I’ve never run into him as a New Yorker.”

Asked about the most important thing he has done to understand the challenges facing New York and prepare for the mayoral contest after exiting the presidential stage, Mr. Yang cited the experience he and his family had of being in the city as it shut down amid the pandemic.

But Mr. Yang, the father of a son with autism, also acknowledged that he has not remained in New York full time since then, which Politico reported on Friday.

“We’ve spent more time upstate than in the city over the last number of months, but I also spent time in Georgia, as you know, I spent time in Pennsylvania campaigning for Joe and Kamala,” he said.

Noting the challenges of fulfilling his CNN obligations from his apartment, he continued, “We live in a two-bedroom apartment in Manhattan. And so, like, can you imagine trying to have two kids on virtual school in a two-bedroom apartment, and then trying to do work yourself?”

Mr. Yang in Pennsylvania campaigning for the Biden-Harris ticket in November. He also spent time in Georgia to try to help flip the Senate: “Most New Yorkers would be very excited about those goals,” he said.Credit...Associated Press
In fact, many New Yorkers have experienced just that dynamic, or far more challenging circumstances.

After this article’s publication, Mr. Yang’s remarks drew sharp ridicule on social media from people who saw his comments as tone deaf, as millions of Americans struggle to balance work and family obligations in a pandemic.

A number of would-be rival candidates also seized on the remarks, obliquely and more overtly seeking to cast Mr. Yang as out of step with the experiences of many New Yorkers.

Asked to respond to voters who expect their future mayor to have stayed in the city in its darkest moments, Mr. Yang suggested that his location was not relevant to his work at the time, and that New Yorkers would prioritize plans to move the city forward.

“I was very focused on helping Joe and Kamala win, and then helping flip the Senate,” he said, though Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s campaign was not especially fast-paced during the early days of the pandemic. “Most New Yorkers would be very excited about those goals, and are fairly indifferent to where I was doing that work from.”

Mr. Yang’s allies hope that some of his strengths at the national level will translate in New York.

During his presidential run, Mr. Yang connected with younger people, but the youth vote has not traditionally been influential in New York mayoral primaries. His candidacy will test whether he can bring more young people into the process, though he already has significant competition for the support of young progressive voters in particular.

He demonstrated little traction with Black or Hispanic voters last year, but hopes that his universal basic income proposal will help him resonate across a range of communities of color, which were disproportionately hard-hit by the pandemic.

That is an untested calculation in a diverse field that includes a number of candidates with much deeper ties to those communities and records of working on behalf of those voters. Mr. Yang may face an uphill battle in introducing himself as a New Yorker who understands the intricacies of the challenges at hand.

Yet despite his untraditional background — and in some ways, because of it — he also possesses a set of political assets that may make him formidable.

His signature issue, universal basic income, has growing political resonance as millions of Americans face unemployment, and the government cuts stimulus checks.

“No elected official in the country has done more to shine a spotlight on the need for a basic income than Andrew Yang,” said Representative Ritchie Torres, who was recently elected to represent the South Bronx, adding that Mr. Yang was on a “very short list” of candidates whom he was considering endorsing.

Mr. Yang also generates enthusiasm with a base of devoted fans that rivals may struggle to match in the sprint to the June Democratic primary.

“There’s been a lack, I think, of excitement in this mayoral race,” said Assemblyman Ron Kim of Flushing, Queens, who recently dined on Korean barbecue with Mr. Yang in the area. “When Andrew was walking around, I saw an element of excitement.”

Mr. Yang, the son of Taiwanese immigrants, would make history as New York’s first Asian-American mayor. Mr. Kim said he expected that Mr. Yang would connect with many Asian-American voters in New York, a constituency that has demonstrated growing political power across the country.

In addition to meeting with New York elected officials and endorsing a number of them last year, Mr. Yang has engaged in some local philanthropic work in recent months.

Representative Ritchie Torres, who represents the South Bronx, said Mr. Yang was on a “very short list” of candidates whom he was considering endorsing.Credit...Dave Sanders for The New York Times
He launched Humanity Forward, a nonprofit organization that promotes direct cash relief, including to New Yorkers. For example, the organization promised $1 million in emergency cash relief to families in the Bronx. Justine Zinkin, the chief executive of Neighborhood Trust Financial Partners, which received that grant, confirmed the disbursement of $1,000 each to 1,000 Bronx residents.

But in his own telling, Mr. Yang has primarily been focused on national obligations until recently. He said he did not begin to focus in earnest on a mayoral run until after the November election.

Even then, he spent much of his time in Georgia. Mr. Yang argued that his efforts to help flip control of the Senate to the Democrats were significant for New York, citing the critical need for federal assistance for the struggling city.

And it was in Georgia that he spent time with at least one of his future co-chairs of his expected mayoral campaign: Mr. King, the eldest son of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and a human-rights activist, who cited Mr. Yang’s focus on the poor as especially compelling.

But some New Yorkers said his time in Georgia has little relevance to his presumed next job as mayoral candidate.

“Good for him as a human, but it wouldn’t be how I would use my time if I were running for mayor and the race were in six months,” said Eric Phillips, formerly a spokesman for Mayor Bill de Blasio. “He’s certainly done nothing that I’ve seen that demonstrates a command for city issues or the kind of really difficult decision-making that’s involved in managing 325,000 people and $90 billion. He hasn’t been involved in the civic fabric of the city.”

News that he has not even voted for mayor also stunned some New Yorkers.

Asked to explain that record, Mr. Yang acknowledged that in the past he may have taken city government “somewhat for granted.”

“Right now we’re facing an historic crisis," he said, adding that many New Yorkers “right now are engaging in different ways.”

He promised that in the coming weeks, he would be accessible to his hometown.

“Anyone who wants to talk to Andrew Yang in the days to come, like, I want to talk to them,” he said.

Katie Glueck is chief Metro political correspondent at The New York Times. Previously, she was the lead reporter for The Times covering President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s campaign, and she also covered politics for McClatchy’s Washington bureau and for Politico. @katieglueck



  

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oh yang is going to stay where the money reside
Jan 11th 2021
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and thats on mary had a little lamb.
Jan 11th 2021
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im slightly disappointed this isnt about the twins
Jan 11th 2021
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RE: im slightly disappointed this isnt about the twins
Jan 11th 2021
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They would make great mayors for sure
Jan 12th 2021
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this is so out of touch and the reality for most nyers
Jan 11th 2021
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This interview is not lacking tone deaf quotes at all
Jan 12th 2021
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He got more votes than our vice president in her own state.
Jan 12th 2021
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kamala wasnt on the ballot in california.
Jan 12th 2021
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she dropped out months before the primaries
Jan 12th 2021
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so why would you mention yang got more votes than her?
Jan 12th 2021
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      residents were polled and her numbers were weak
Jan 12th 2021
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           so you lied then?
Jan 13th 2021
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                ????
Jan 14th 2021
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                     don't lie
Jan 16th 2021
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                          I misremembered the information and mispoke
Jan 18th 2021
164
he also got more votes than I did
Jan 12th 2021
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lol
Jan 12th 2021
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LMAO
Jan 12th 2021
17
that nigga got basically no votes but ok you have no opinion
Jan 12th 2021
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      And he still polled better than her in her own state.
Jan 12th 2021
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           oh I thought this was about votes
Jan 12th 2021
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                People vote in polls.
Jan 13th 2021
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                     Trump supporters say something very similar to this:
Jan 13th 2021
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                     no one was even talking about bernie
Jan 13th 2021
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                     my bad i thought "your boy" was referring to him. not a yang fan
Jan 14th 2021
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                          sure, you just keep his polling numbers handy
Jan 15th 2021
129
                     i voted for trump
Jan 14th 2021
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                     ....what
Jan 13th 2021
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                     Wow you’re dumb. Responding to a poll is not voting...u said he got
Jan 13th 2021
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                          she polled terribly in her own state* and dropped out
Jan 14th 2021
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                               "people vote in polls" was improper wording?
Jan 15th 2021
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                               What is there to address? She is about to be VP and he is running for
Jan 15th 2021
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                                    Do numbers not matter? Is that not how elections works?
Jan 18th 2021
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                                         Here’s a number. 81 million ppl voted for her to be VP. Sooooo
Jan 18th 2021
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FOH as a mayoral candidate
Jan 12th 2021
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'look i wanna be mayor but dont make me live in that shithole'
Jan 12th 2021
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I think he's useful for bringing in a certain demographic that is
Jan 12th 2021
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      except there's no evidence he's brought in anyone
Jan 12th 2021
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           from personal experience I see a lot of the young white tech guys
Jan 12th 2021
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                you think they're not red pilled now
Jan 12th 2021
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                     not sure.
Jan 12th 2021
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                          "willingness to be palatable"
Jan 12th 2021
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                               I don't know how you ended up viewing Yang as negatively as you do
Jan 12th 2021
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                                    who said I view him negatively?
Jan 12th 2021
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                                    libertarians don't view him as a libertarian though
Jan 12th 2021
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                                    libertarians claim that lots of people who are libertarians aren't liber...
Jan 12th 2021
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                                         oh ok
Jan 12th 2021
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                                              this isn't about paranoia
Jan 12th 2021
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                                    btw if you have sources I would gladly read
Jan 12th 2021
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                                         source: Andrew Yang's campaign website
Jan 12th 2021
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                                    lol @ working in the gray area tho
Jan 12th 2021
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                                         You do realize a lot of people that voted trump the first time
Jan 12th 2021
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                                              shit trump won 12 million more votes in 2020 than in 2016.
Jan 12th 2021
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                                              Yo crazy as it sounds, we know this crazy Trini girl that
Jan 12th 2021
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                                                   you're wrong
Jan 12th 2021
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                                                   My OP says he sucks as mayoral candidate, Not my guy
Jan 12th 2021
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                                                        he isn't tainted by wall street, on that we differ
Jan 12th 2021
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                                                   why didn't anyone tell her about andrew yang!
Jan 12th 2021
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                                              and andrew yang going on joe rogan gives them more reason
Jan 12th 2021
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just thought experiment it out
Jan 12th 2021
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      not to mention his main policy would not help
Jan 12th 2021
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           once you look at what his actual policy proposals are
Jan 12th 2021
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                definitely
Jan 12th 2021
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Unfortunately its a weak ass overcrowded field right now...
Jan 12th 2021
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Sliwa too??? wtf lol
Jan 13th 2021
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      yea locally right now I say Adams
Jan 13th 2021
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           Wiley would have had a chance had everyone not turned
Jan 13th 2021
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The yang hate on okp is so potent and anti-factual and weird lol
Jan 12th 2021
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yang supporters are all bad at math
Jan 13th 2021
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I just don't blindly hate him, and it's not a badly-designed policy
Jan 13th 2021
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      hey dumbass
Jan 13th 2021
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      You sound insane. Why do you feel the need to shroud your arguments
Jan 13th 2021
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           yes. conservatives LIKE ANDREW YANG call those entitlements
Jan 13th 2021
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                Lol I swear you tough type just to distract from your nonsense arguments
Jan 13th 2021
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                     right. no actual statements, only personal attacks.
Jan 13th 2021
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                          Please. You're such a bullshitter lol
Jan 13th 2021
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      the only people who support andrew yang
Jan 13th 2021
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           I never said I support Andrew Yang, I just don't hate the man
Jan 13th 2021
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                it's not baseless if it's literally based on his plan
Jan 13th 2021
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                     a plan you clearly don't understand if you're calling it right-libertari...
Jan 13th 2021
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                          you literally cited how it enshrines conservative principles, dumbass
Jan 13th 2021
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                               Ah yes, the age-old conservative principles of increasing taxes on
Jan 13th 2021
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                                    so now dude lies
Jan 13th 2021
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                                    if only there were like, a really memorable thing you could cite
Jan 13th 2021
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why isnt it unconditional for people receiving benefits?
Jan 13th 2021
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I mean, that's a common critique I've heard. I just don't necessarily
Jan 13th 2021
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      i dont doubt that there are some scenarios where it would help
Jan 13th 2021
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      choose*
Jan 13th 2021
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      lol you're def not dumb, far from it
Jan 13th 2021
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      Well, all I would say to this is do you think this is how gov programs
Jan 13th 2021
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           i get what youre saying
Jan 13th 2021
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           I hear ya
Jan 13th 2021
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           hey dumbass
Jan 13th 2021
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                Then educate me! LINK IT UP. But you won't dare bc you're full of shit
Jan 13th 2021
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                     I don't do free education. you gotta pay. cash app me $3,000
Jan 13th 2021
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      it isn't empowerment stop
Jan 13th 2021
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      Well,that's why I emphasize my view is shaped by having been a caregiver
Jan 13th 2021
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           You’re killing it in this post, lol
Jan 13th 2021
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           lol! sorry for post-jacking
Jan 13th 2021
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           Michael Bloomberg was mayor when I lived in NY
Jan 13th 2021
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           imagine being dumb enough to support republican policies
Jan 13th 2021
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                You're literally the last one to lecture anyone about reading lol
Jan 13th 2021
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           you should be insulted. you can't read and you're dumb
Jan 13th 2021
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           *yawn*
Jan 13th 2021
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           nah
Jan 15th 2021
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                Ok. I respect your opinion. We can just agree to disagree
Jan 18th 2021
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      "flexibility on how they receive benefits" LOL
Jan 13th 2021
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Agreed. Great reply too
Jan 13th 2021
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motherfuckers swear Yang isn't a libertarian
Jan 13th 2021
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Lmao why you always gotta go so hard tho 😭
Jan 13th 2021
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I really don't feel like this is going hard.
Jan 13th 2021
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      most unhinged people dont think they're doing too much
Jan 14th 2021
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           or maybe you're just a liar
Jan 15th 2021
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                Deflection.
Jan 18th 2021
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Please. Again, you just type whatever insults you can as cover
Jan 13th 2021
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      if you can't find andrew yang's campaign website that's your problem
Jan 13th 2021
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           I can find it just fine and in fact linked as a source in my 1st reply
Jan 13th 2021
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                so why are you begging me for links if you have them
Jan 13th 2021
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                     Because you said Yang's UBI proposal = Scott Walker's cuts
Jan 14th 2021
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                          you connected them. if you think that's disinfo
Jan 14th 2021
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                               #82 you:"going to the wall for a Scott Walker plan to gut social service...
Jan 14th 2021
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                                    yes, because that's literally what you were arguing for
Jan 15th 2021
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                                         Not even close.
Jan 15th 2021
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                                              I know you don't want to acknowledge it, but it doesn't change the facts
Jan 15th 2021
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                                                   There's no point,nor any facts,to acknowledge.You're just making shit up
Jan 15th 2021
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                                                        you literally want to
Jan 15th 2021
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every yang post
Jan 13th 2021
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lol correction: every rjcc post
Jan 13th 2021
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      not every rj post in a yang post
Jan 13th 2021
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           seems like a weird thing to think about but if you like it then
Jan 13th 2021
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                some things are impossible to not notice
Jan 14th 2021
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yang: nyc needs tiktok hype houses
Jan 13th 2021
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oh my god
Jan 14th 2021
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this is so idiotic, i love it.
Jan 14th 2021
120
O Andrew...Smdh
Jan 15th 2021
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Looks like he's addressed the criticisms
Jan 14th 2021
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if he really wanted to address the criticisms he'd back someone
Jan 15th 2021
143
Yang getting clowned for not knowing Bodegas
Jan 15th 2021
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Couldnt even tell it was a bodega at first
Jan 15th 2021
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Those definitely still exist
Jan 15th 2021
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      An actual bodega bodega
Jan 15th 2021
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           Ding bat DiBlasio
Jan 15th 2021
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                If Andrew Yang wanted to use "the bodega"
Jan 15th 2021
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                     I'm not a fan of the man
Jan 15th 2021
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                          where the money reside, that counts as a bodega
Jan 15th 2021
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yeah, he's definitely from new york
Jan 15th 2021
128
somebody created this nigga in a writers room.
Jan 15th 2021
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I don't know about Yang,
Jan 15th 2021
123
lol yup -- him and I agree on a number of issues beyond politics
Jan 15th 2021
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you feel bullied
Jan 15th 2021
127
      By who?
Jan 15th 2021
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           somebody gotta find the person I'm allegedly bullying
Jan 15th 2021
139
if people want someone to be nice to them
Jan 15th 2021
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      Except you do this to people who argue in good faith too,
Jan 16th 2021
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      no one should ever look at how I'm discussing things
Jan 16th 2021
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      Not what I'm saying at all.
Jan 16th 2021
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      sounds like a plan
Jan 17th 2021
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      Deflection.
Jan 18th 2021
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           deflection would more accurately describe
Jan 18th 2021
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      no one should ever look at how I'm discussing things
Jan 16th 2021
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      Deflection.
Jan 18th 2021
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LOL does anyone in this whole post live in NYC?
Jan 15th 2021
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to the extent that Andrew Yang does, yes
Jan 15th 2021
148
lol ok ok
Jan 15th 2021
149
lol
Jan 15th 2021
150
detroit and delaware gonna fix it?
Jan 15th 2021
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      vote for him fam. hope it works out lol.
Jan 15th 2021
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      lol let me know who you guys ultimately select
Jan 15th 2021
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      we just had this happen in Michigan
Jan 16th 2021
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L O L
Jan 15th 2021
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LoL
Jan 18th 2021
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I literally lurked this post and stopped myself from replying
Jan 18th 2021
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      Imagine New Yorkers caring about any other city's mayoral race
Jan 19th 2021
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           Yeah fuck New York, it’s trash! Wish national media would not cover it...
Apr 12th 2021
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                LOL @ the response three months later
Apr 23rd 2021
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                     LOL @ thinking I check this site daily
Apr 24th 2021
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yikes
Jan 23rd 2021
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lol :(
Jan 23rd 2021
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do as i say...
Jan 30th 2021
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yet here we are...
Apr 12th 2021
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This isn't the home stretch
Apr 12th 2021
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      Bruh, the democratic primary is in the summer
Apr 13th 2021
188
This is not a campaign run
Apr 12th 2021
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fascinating nm
Apr 12th 2021
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Is anyone here paid by the Democratic party?
Apr 12th 2021
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only the dumbest motherfuckers on the entire planet
Apr 12th 2021
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That’s what us “corporate dems” want deep down
Apr 12th 2021
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Libertariannnnnnnn
Apr 12th 2021
185
This seems very on brand for Andy
Apr 13th 2021
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Tonight at the Stonewall: https://twitter.com/harrisdoran/status/1385067...
Apr 22nd 2021
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RE: Tonight at the Stonewall: https://twitter.com/harrisdoran/status/138...
Apr 22nd 2021
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The Tusk connection is underreported
Apr 23rd 2021
192
Fat cats, Bigga fish
Apr 23rd 2021
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if I described yang as what he actually is
Apr 23rd 2021
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cut social services in exchange for $2,000 per year.
Apr 29th 2021
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New York City needs more cops tbh - Yang
May 09th 2021
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him and Bohocop trying to out law and order each other
May 10th 2021
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imagine supporting someone who is endorsed by Stephen Miller
May 10th 2021
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I missed that one. But makes perfect sense
May 11th 2021
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Grand opening, grand closing with the PBA cosign
May 12th 2021
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I believe him saying he'd close Rikers
May 12th 2021
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Anyone here watch last night's debates?
May 14th 2021
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1. "oh yang is going to stay where the money reside"
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he will never get out of the spotlight until someone kicks him out

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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Reeq
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2. "and thats on mary had a little lamb."
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that nigga might as well put actblue as his place of employment.

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3. "im slightly disappointed this isnt about the twins"
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5. "RE: im slightly disappointed this isnt about the twins"
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Took me a minute and then I hollered. Thanks! LOL!

  

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Bambino Grande
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7. "They would make great mayors for sure"
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4. "this is so out of touch and the reality for most nyers"
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“We live in a two-bedroom apartment in Manhattan. And so, like, can you imagine trying to have two kids on virtual school in a two-bedroom apartment, and then trying to do work yourself?”

  

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Bambino Grande
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6. "This interview is not lacking tone deaf quotes at all"
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8. "He got more votes than our vice president in her own state."
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Thatll always tickle me.

I have no opinion on the guy. Carry on.

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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10. "kamala wasnt on the ballot in california."
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11. "she dropped out months before the primaries"
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12. "so why would you mention yang got more votes than her?"
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25. "residents were polled and her numbers were weak"
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https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/andrew-yang-kamala-harris-california-2020-14447245.php

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106. "so you lied then?"
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he didn't get more votes than her. you knew that and still lied.

  

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115. "????"
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157. "don't lie"
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not that hard to understand.

  

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164. "I misremembered the information and mispoke"
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You're projecting malicious intent for no reason.


Now that the info was corrected, do you want to address it or no.

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13. "he also got more votes than I did"
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so there's that


I'll never understand how dude tricked people into thinking he was some kind of progressive hero.

  

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16. "lol"
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17. "LMAO"
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18. "that nigga got basically no votes but ok you have no opinion"
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26. "And he still polled better than her in her own state. "
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My opinion dont matter when her own district dont fuck with her.

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28. "oh I thought this was about votes"
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mr "i don't have an opinion" has a whole lot of specific information to pivot too all of a sudden

quit fuckin lying and let's talk about the votes you wanted to bring up until you remembered your boy didn't get any.



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54. "People vote in polls."
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I posted proof that Kamala's polling was bad, in her own state.


Scroll up. Its there. Dont yell at me :/


Unfortunately, i dont treat politics like spectator sports so insulting "my boy" isn't gonna go anywhere.


Like always, you care about Bernie more than actual bernie supporters, you are old, and dont understand incrementalism isnt the wave anymore.

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60. "Trump supporters say something very similar to this: "
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>
>Like always, you care about Bernie more than actual bernie
>supporters, you are old, and dont understand incrementalism
>isnt the wave anymore.
>

Telling us how he lives in our head. Orange man bad. Etc.

The venn diagram between the two groups ...

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80. "no one was even talking about bernie"
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but dude can't stick to his talking points and had to change the subject


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117. "my bad i thought "your boy" was referring to him. not a yang fan"
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129. "sure, you just keep his polling numbers handy"
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and use them interchangeably with votes, which he didn't get

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116. "i voted for trump"
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79. "....what"
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95. "Wow you’re dumb. Responding to a poll is not voting...u said he got "
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More votes. Accept u were pressed and flat wrong and move on.

prototype

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believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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118. "she polled terribly in her own state* and dropped out "
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I fixed it.


Sorry for the improper wording.



do you wanna address it now.

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133. ""people vote in polls" was improper wording?"
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141. "What is there to address? She is about to be VP and he is running for "
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Mayor of NYC. They both have moved forward and I suggest u do the same; who cares about polling for a state primary that occurred months ago lol

She was also elected state wide to repaint California in the senate...

Write a letter to the VP elect about whatever you’re mad about and hopefully that makes you feel better.

And just remember if you equate responding to a poll with voting in election again you are dumb as all fuck.

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165. "Do numbers not matter? Is that not how elections works?"
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"move on" isnt an actual argument. I could apply that to anything that happened in 2020.

Surely there's context for why someone could bomb in their campaign and end up being chosen as the last minute VP after Biden got flamed for telling someone "you're not black."

It was a cynical play on identity politics.

Insulting me wont change that.


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173. "Here’s a number. 81 million ppl voted for her to be VP. Sooooo"
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Again write whatever point or grievance you have with her and send it her office.

U came in like Yang got my votes than her in cali and were summarily swept away with how foolish and wrong that statement was. Instead of just saying “my bad, I was being pressed” you doubled down, so here we are

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9. "FOH as a mayoral candidate"
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I like him as a political commentator, or elsewhere in politics, but he's not a good fit for mayor

  

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14. "'look i wanna be mayor but dont make me live in that shithole'"
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isnt a convincing message for you? lol.

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15. "I think he's useful for bringing in a certain demographic that is"
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politically neutral and that can exploited by the Republicans

but yeah, for NY, I can't see him making anybody happy.

Just seeing the average new yorker turn on deblasio leads me to believe he would be a huge failure as mayor

  

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20. "except there's no evidence he's brought in anyone"
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22. "from personal experience I see a lot of the young white tech guys"
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wearing MATH hats that I can easily also see getting red-pilled at some point

  

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24. "you think they're not red pilled now"
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27. "not sure. "
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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-we-know-about-andrew-yangs-base/

but based on the fivethirtyeight.com summary of his demographics, his strength is young, male voters and independents. Also, his willingness to try to make his policies palatable on Fox News and Joe Rogan means he may have the potential to appeal to a demographic that the Dems are not even attempting to court.

I don't think he's done enough as a public servant or in grassroots organizing to be believable as a progressive, but I believe in him more than I do Cynthia Nixon LOL

  

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29. ""willingness to be palatable""
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sounds a lot like pandering

there is no basis to believe he's leading those people anywhere other than to the right wing, which is what he's a part of.


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30. "I don't know how you ended up viewing Yang as negatively as you do"
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You probably have your reasons, but I'm just not seeing him as part of the right wing

If you don't see the need for some members of the Dems to work in that gray area, ESPECIALLY for young voters, I don't know what to tell you

  

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31. "who said I view him negatively?"
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he's a libertarian right winger.

this is not a view, it's an accurate assessment of his political views.

do you think it's negative that he wants people to give him money in return for him doing absolutely nothing? Again, this isn't something that has to do with my views, it's a statement of the facts of his endless campaigning for things he can't win and has no intention of winning.


I guess you could say I'm negative on his description of himself as a tech entrepreneur even though he has absolutely no track record there to speak of, but it really doesn't matter about his politics.


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33. "libertarians don't view him as a libertarian though"
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that doesn't matter to you at all?

>this is not a view, it's an accurate assessment of his
>political views.
>
>do you think it's negative that he wants people to give him
>money in return for him doing absolutely nothing? Again, this
>isn't something that has to do with my views, it's a statement
>of the facts of his endless campaigning for things he can't
>win and has no intention of winning.

I think the underlying understanding of how automation and outsourcing threatens the middle class comes from his experience of wall street though. He understands the financial and existential anxiety most Americans experience at some point is caused by the view that a hyper-wealthy few capitalize on a financial market that has 0 to do with 80% of the population. His view is that it's too far gone to reverse and that it needs to be mitigated by implementing UBI.

  

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41. "libertarians claim that lots of people who are libertarians aren't liber..."
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literally no one who knows anything about automation thinks andrew yang is right about it.

he has no experience on wall street that means anything.

if he did, someone would hire him to run a big company.

that hasn't happened and never will because he's a fuckin nobody but people who listen to podcasts think he's a big business genius


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45. "oh ok"
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/25/technology/automation-davos-world-economic-forum.html

>literally no one who knows anything about automation thinks
>andrew yang is right about it.

I think we can say some of the paranoia is warranted?

  

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47. "this isn't about paranoia"
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if you believe that automation is a problem, then you should be upset that yang hasn't actually done anything about it.

running for new york city mayor is perhaps the worst possible thing he could do to fix the problem of automation.

and yet what is he doing


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35. "btw if you have sources I would gladly read"
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Also I can see how UBI is very problematic and probably actually preferable to the billionaire class when compared to heavy regulation i.e. Elizabeth Warren or higher taxes on the wealthy.

It can probably do plenty in removing political and economic power from the middle class in the long term, but I do think the alternative at this point is billionaires astroturfing the insurrection class (lol) to maintain their interests. It's a pretty bleak future if your conclusion is that free money is the only way to solve it.

  

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42. "source: Andrew Yang's campaign website"
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idk if it's still up, but people who want to get rid of social security are libertarians

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32. "lol @ working in the gray area tho"
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you don't pull people out of rogan and make them liberals.

you justify their reasons for being red pilled by letting them claim they aren't on a side.

if you believe otherwise you're gullible.

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34. "You do realize a lot of people that voted trump the first time"
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avoided voting altogether this time right?

in the future, those people might identify as Independents

  

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36. "shit trump won 12 million more votes in 2020 than in 2016."
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if some of his voters sat out then they had a funny way of showing it lol.

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37. "Yo crazy as it sounds, we know this crazy Trini girl that "
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became an entrepreneur and went full Trump in 2020. Found that out after the election

I know I'm not the only one who saw more people of color seem to turn MAGA in 2020. When I saw that young Black dude with the dreads from PG county interviewed outside the Capitol before the riots I was sad as hell. A LOT of Latino voters went trump as you know.

So yeah, I have seen 2016 Trump voters go agnostic in 2020, but there was 100% a move toward the right as well. But that's the point, it means not all of the voting population is party loyal

  

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38. "you're wrong"
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Tue Jan-12-21 05:45 PM by Stadiq

          

I'm sorry, but you are taking a few anecdotal things as proof that your boy is right to pander to these dweebs.

That crowd isn't going to vote Democrat. And you know why.

People are more loyal to their party than ever. The biggest motivation for either side is to vote against the other guy.

All you have to do is look at Trump. Record turnout to vote AGAINST him and the other side voted AGAINST soshalizm.

We are in an era of hyper partisanship.

A few people who switched sides or a few a-political people who got involved this cycle doesn't negate that.


Yang is selling a product. It just so happens his product is objectively shitty and the people he appeals to are often just as shitty.

There is a reason his UBI includes making these welfare queens...err, I mean, poor people choose between his benefit and their handout...I mean, err current assistance.

That horse shit isn't about "empowerment" (lol at the Reagan shit he uses to sell it too).

Yang figured out that white people like a government benefit a lot more if they think those Black and Brown people aren't getting an unfair advantage.

So he says "I'll give everyone a stack, but anyone currently on assistance has to choose" and Roganites everywhere get to look progressive while they get excited about kicking people off government handouts...err I mean, assistance.


He is the perfect Rogan candidate. That isn't a good thing no matter ho you try to justify it.


I'm sure there are plenty of bros who listen to Rogan, listen to rap music, and smoke hella weed that call themselves independents and don't view themselves as racist...but a lot of them are and either way there aren't enough of them to justify the pandering.


Fuck Yang.

  

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44. "My OP says he sucks as mayoral candidate, Not my guy"
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He's tainted by Wall Street and his resume is weak. let me get that out of the way.

I've never heard the Reaganite rhetoric from him, but yeah UBI as it stands would not lend itself to any real steps towards social justice and choosing between the stipend and assistance is bullshit.

>We are in an era of hyper partisanship.

Not after four years with Biden, I don't think.

>Yang figured out that white people like a government benefit a
>lot more if they think those Black and Brown people aren't
>getting an unfair advantage.

Reeq had a point to that effect with FDR and the New Deal. Definitely valid.

>He is the perfect Rogan candidate. That isn't a good thing no
>matter ho you try to justify it.
>
>
>I'm sure there are plenty of bros who listen to Rogan, listen
>to rap music, and smoke hella weed that call themselves
>independents and don't view themselves as racist...but a lot
>of them are and either way there aren't enough of them to
>justify the pandering.
>
>
>Fuck Yang.

You got your mind made up

  

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48. "he isn't tainted by wall street, on that we differ"
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if you're anti-capitalism, then I can understand why you'd believe in a guy who has failed at every company he's ever started and whos only success came as a result of nepotism when a friend asked him to manage a company as it was in the process of being acquired.

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43. "why didn't anyone tell her about andrew yang!"
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40. "and andrew yang going on joe rogan gives them more reason"
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to vote republican

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19. "just thought experiment it out"
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what if he doesn't give a shit about any of the policies he's used to gain popularity and isn't actually all about improving the lives of poor people and really just wants attention and campaign donations.

what would he do differently.

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21. "not to mention his main policy would not help"
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poor people- at least not if you are poor enough to need government assistance.

Nothing says 'progressive hero' like giving everyone free money no questions asked... except to those pesky people who need it most...




  

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23. "once you look at what his actual policy proposals are"
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dude gets a lot less warm and cuddly.

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39. "definitely"
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One of several reasons to not like him

  

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46. "Unfortunately its a weak ass overcrowded field right now..."
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and he I'd argue of that field he currently has the most recognizable name (brand recognition) of the lot.

Regardless of what his actual politics are he's gonna run as a democrat, and if he just switches up his campaign to follow mostly democratic company line (while holding onto a few "yangisms" he's gonna be one of the favorites unless somebody else more recognizable enters the race -- OR unless the other democratic candidates collectively campaign against him (this is what they should actually do).


LOL
https://www.curbed.com/article/everyone-running-for-new-york-city-mayor.html

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55. "Sliwa too??? wtf lol"
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I think Eric Adams is the strongest candidate (not my favorite)

Maybe the NYPD will be less likely to pull the shit they did on Dinkins on one of their own

  

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57. "yea locally right now I say Adams"
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>I think Eric Adams is the strongest candidate (not my
>favorite)
>
>Maybe the NYPD will be less likely to pull the shit they did
>on Dinkins on one of their own


From what Ive read of the actual contenders i like Wiley, but we'll see. Her opponents gonna try and tie her to Deblasio and sink her ship

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59. "Wiley would have had a chance had everyone not turned "
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on Deblasio so uniformly

Police still hate him, BLM hates him, your standard UWS liberal hates him, staten island and south brooklyn continue to hate him, but more so now. it's crazy

The pandemic response in the city was slow and inept, but he led the charge on a lot of the policies Cuomo took credit for, and now there is terrible rollout of vaccinations. One of the worst affected neighborhoods, Washington Heights, has ZERO covid vaccination sites for example.

  

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49. "The yang hate on okp is so potent and anti-factual and weird lol"
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and far exceeds his level of influence lol. Damn yall


Anyway. Re: him running for NYC mayor, I've never lived there and don't follow/know much about about nyc politics. I'm happy to see any (youth-friendly) gen-x + millenials step up to fill in the imminent exodus of boomers/silent generation from every level of US politics tho. Even if said politicians aren't one's cup of tea, the diversity (in not only ppl but ideas) is a good thing. So I guess my reaction to his candidacy is: why not? *shrug* From this article tho it sounds like his biggest weakness out the gate is lacking presence/engagement there (and perhaps his underestimation of why that matters).


And re: his (federal) UBI proposal, I think I've gone back and forth with folks on here a cpl of times about the obvious merits I perceive (especially FOR women, and AS a woman). But there's still so many mischaracterizations when ppl debate it (not just on okp). IIRC, his federal UBI proposal (https://taxfoundation.org/andrew-yang-value-added-tax-universal-basic-income) involved:

- implementing a tax that targets the tech + finance sectors (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/19/andrew-yang-on-google-amazon-helping-pay-for-his-ubi-plan.html)

- implementing a carbon tax

- increasing capital gains taxes

- removing the SS payroll tax wage cap so that high-earners (everyone earning >140k according to current law) contribute (i.e. *NOT* cutting SS or booting ppl off SSI)

all to fund an unconditional cash transfer to every US Citizen 18yo+ unless they're utilizing benefits like SNAP, TANF, or WIC. (and contrary to a lot of misinfo out there, SSI and SSDI beneficiaries would be eligible to stack their SS income with UBI: https://www.yang2020.com/what-is-freedom-dividend-faq/).

If people have doubts about whether the revenues add up to sufficiently/sustainably fund it I get that, but *the STATE* *raising/implementing TAXES* on corporations and high-earners *to PAY PEOPLE* a dividend is right-wing libertarian policy now? lol. Interesting.


The okp consensus about how evil and right-wing his 1000/mth UBI proposal is (lol) is also bizarre when juxtaposed against what the consensus seems to be re: the gov fucking up the covid stimulus check response. At this point, it's *indisputable* that if Yang's UBI plan was law in the US it would have been a game changer during this pandemic. ESPECIALLY for all the women (and specifically non-white women) that have disproportionately had to leave the workforce, mostly to perform uncompensated reproductive labor (https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13419585&mesg_id=13419585&page=2). ESPECIALLY considering the sectors that have thrived during this pandemic which, lol surpise surprise, happen to be the very sectors Yang wanted to target for redistribution! (https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/10/29/business/us-economy-coronavirus , https://www.wsj.com/articles/wall-street-profits-soar-during-first-half-of-2020-11603369800).

I mean not to go anecdotal, but based on my own experience having been a caregiver for adults with disabilities and from the experiences of those around me who are or have been stay-at-home moms and dads (half of whom have had to rely on some form of government assistance at one point): choosing whether to stay on prescribed assistance (i.e. SNAP, TANF, WIC) v. receiving an unconditional cash transfer every month is not that difficult a calculation, and to insinuate otherwise is actually pretty paternalistic and offensive. *Obviously* people would select the benefit structure that works best for their goals and/or situations, and if they were to choose straight up cash (which could then be used to pay for tuitions, a used car, home repairs, savings/investments, etc) over nutrition benefits then they probably have some fucking plans for it don't they.

  

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50. "yang supporters are all bad at math"
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cool.

so you give up all benefits for 1000 in cash every month.

how much do things cost


IT'S MORE THAN 1000 ANDREW YANG WANTS YOU TO DIE YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKER


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51. "I just don't blindly hate him, and it's not a badly-designed policy "
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*shrug*

People wouldn't have to select the cash instead of the prescribed benefit(s) unless they wanted to. If it was signed into law and they wanted no parts of it, they wouldn't be kicked off of their existing benefits. So wtf are raving about.

There's lots of other considerations that you're not taking into account too, like the work requirements for some of these programs or the fact that income like TANF can only be used for a maximum of 5 years in one's lifetime (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporary_Assistance_for_Needy_Families).

But hey, according to you guys, low-income ppl are way too dumb to factor in shit like that. And I'm sure no low-income families have dependents that are 18+ either. I mean, what could an impoverished family possibly gain from any parents, grandparents, and dependents 18+ receiving $1000 dividend every month??

You're so right about this rjcc, ppl should totally always listen to you. Especially since you're so pleasant to engage with


>IT'S MORE THAN 1000 ANDREW YANG WANTS YOU TO DIE YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKER

  

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52. "hey dumbass"
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how do you think benefits work

do you think they get funded adequately if they become "optional"


(spoiler: they don't. either you believe andrew yang is a dumbass, or you believe he has the intelligence of at least your average third grader, knows that, and wants you to die.)

idk

do you think that trying to kill you is a pleasant interaction?

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56. "You sound insane. Why do you feel the need to shroud your arguments"
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in namecalling and abuse?

Anyway. I'd say you're making a fair point except for the fact that entitlement programs have always been a target for cuts. It's just a thing conservatives do, even when people aren't receiving UBI. Eg:

https://www.cbpp.org/research/food-assistance/presidents-2021-budget-would-cut-food-assistance-for-millions-and-radically

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/16/trump-budget-wic-women-infants-children-nutrition

If anything, a successful UBI program might at least protect families materially from those ongoing efforts - if it could even withstand similar attacks against itself (which it might be better positioned to, as a universally accessible program).

What sells me on the proposal are the revenue sources (especially the idea to tax big tech) and the coverage (addressing one of the most exploited and uncompensated labor sectors in the economy). But can you even articulate actual reasons for hating it, since your claims that UBI is right-wing libertarianism and would unravel the welfare state are dubious at best? lol

Because screaming low-income people selecting their benefit structure = slippery slope to death and mayhem is peak "Next, people will start marrying their dogs!!!" reasoning imho. Do you view covid stimulus checks as similar social policy sabotage?? Because I mean, those are technically UBI transactions. I can see if you just blindly hate Yang and anything he says (which is what I think is really going on here lol), but your position actually makes less and less sense the more one looks into it.

  

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74. "yes. conservatives LIKE ANDREW YANG call those entitlements"
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andrew yang is a libertarian, he wants you to die.


his UBI would not protect anyone it is the worst.

UBI is a good idea, andrew yang's version is not a good idea.

but focus on whether or not I was too mean to you, dumbass

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85. "Lol I swear you tough type just to distract from your nonsense arguments"
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>andrew yang is a libertarian, he wants you to die.
>
>
>his UBI would not protect anyone it is the worst.
>
>UBI is a good idea, andrew yang's version is not a good idea.
>

blah blah blah all hate zero facts

you suck at this lol

  

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88. "right. no actual statements, only personal attacks."
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because you know that the facts are as I said.

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90. "Please. You're such a bullshitter lol"
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>because you know that the facts are as I said.
>

  

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53. "the only people who support andrew yang"
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are the people who've never bothered to learn how anything works.


they're like "yeah, you'd just make it opt-in and boom"

THERE ARE REASONS NOTHING WORKS THAT WAY

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58. "I never said I support Andrew Yang, I just don't hate the man "
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or his UBI idea *shrug* I liked what multiple ppl were talking about during last year's Dem primaries.

I know, it's weird to not be super tribal and belligerent about politics these days


That said, have you considered the possibility that it's *you* that hasn't bothered to learn how any of this would work?

Because you're just in here frothing at the mouth with your baseless assertions

  

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78. "it's not baseless if it's literally based on his plan"
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you are angry about being called stupid

but you don't have a problem being stupid.

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86. "a plan you clearly don't understand if you're calling it right-libertari..."
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lol

  

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87. "you literally cited how it enshrines conservative principles, dumbass"
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91. "Ah yes, the age-old conservative principles of increasing taxes on"
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corporations and high-earners to pay out more government assistance


YOU GOT ME





  

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98. "so now dude lies"
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101. "if only there were like, a really memorable thing you could cite"
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about how conservatives raise taxes too


what if it were like....REALLY memorable

and easily citable

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61. "why isnt it unconditional for people receiving benefits?"
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>all to fund an unconditional cash transfer to every US Citizen
>18yo+ unless they're utilizing benefits like SNAP, TANF, or
>WIC. (and contrary to a lot of misinfo out there, SSI and SSDI
>beneficiaries would be eligible to stack their SS income with
>UBI: https://www.yang2020.com/what-is-freedom-dividend-faq/).
>

why do they have to make that choice?

  

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62. "I mean, that's a common critique I've heard. I just don't necessarily "
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agree that it's a bad thing to empower beneficaries with flexibility to choose how they receive government assistance and how they can spend it in this context, so long as the gov isn't kicking people off.

Since this is all hypotheticals anyway, all I can go off of is how I or people I know that have used government assistance would view such a choice. And it would be overwhelmingly positive. Dare I say life-changing.

For example, my friend would've been able to finish her bachelor's in nursing degree under such an arrangement, rather than drop out at the LPN stage after having her child. She was a new (and single) mom starting over in a new city after leaving her abusive ex and it took her some time to get back on her feet i.e. secure a job, housing, etc. She could only spend her assistance on certain things. But with access to a UBI program like Yang's, guaranteed she would have roomed with a relative/friend for the remaining years of her bachelors and knocked it out. Which would have doubled her current salary. She would've also been able to replace some of the belongings her ex had destroyed (eg. laptop, phone) much quicker, rather than relying on friends and family (although we were happy to help and would do it again).


I do think there's a bit of a forest v. trees issue when it comes to arguing this aspect.

>
>why do they have to make that choice?

  

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63. "i dont doubt that there are some scenarios where it would help"
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i dont understand the logic in making them chose and not everyone else.

keeping benefits and adding $1000 per month (unconditional) is better than having to chose between receiving one or the other. is there some scenario where thats not true?

  

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65. "choose*"
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i swear i wasnt this dumb 5 years ago lol

  

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67. "lol you're def not dumb, far from it"
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I remember going back and forth with you on healthcare during the primaries lol

  

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69. "Well, all I would say to this is do you think this is how gov programs"
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are designed? That it's that simple??

Or are there likely a variety of options considered, and fiscal considerations made for each?

Sometimes programs are set up a certain way bc that's what the process (and budget) at the time allows *shrug*

If duplicate benefits would multiply the cost of a UBI program (already estimated at ~$3T in the analysis I linked above, which is inching towards M4A pricetag territory) and prevent it's passage, maybe the choice aspect introduces a cost control as well.

Which I still don't think is apocalyptic so long as folks would be allowed to continue receiving their existing benefits unless they opt-out (or max out, in the case of a benefit like TANF)


>i dont understand the logic in making them chose and not
>everyone else.
>
>keeping benefits and adding $1000 per month (unconditional) is
>better than having to chose between receiving one or the
>other. is there some scenario where thats not true?

  

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72. "i get what youre saying"
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it just really is an important detail that really changes how good of a plan it is.

would make more sense to add some conditions for the wealthy. have them choose between tax breaks and getting the UBI.

i really dont know anything else about yang than what i have read about his policies. dont really care about him. there are definitely some policies that intrigued me but if the details dont add up then cant just ride with it.

  

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73. "I hear ya"
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>would make more sense to add some conditions for the wealthy.
>have them choose between tax breaks and getting the UBI.
>

and this is a good idea too



  

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81. "hey dumbass"
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"Which I still don't think is apocalyptic so long as folks would be allowed to continue receiving their existing benefits unless they opt-out (or max out, in the case of a benefit like TANF)"

yeah that isn't how it works which you would know if you read anything


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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89. "Then educate me! LINK IT UP. But you won't dare bc you're full of shit"
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Tough-typing empty BULLSHIT that you can't back up for SHIT

lol



>
>yeah that isn't how it works which you would know if you read
>anything
>

  

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100. "I don't do free education. you gotta pay. cash app me $3,000"
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and I'll send you the links


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64. "it isn't empowerment stop"
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If I get an extra stack from the Fed, so should anyone who is worse off than me. Regardless of what other benefits they get.

That would be truly empowering. To get the same benefit everyone else gets without having to choose.


Making them choose is not empowering. That is some bullshit right wing bootstrap talk.

If its universal, make it universal.


For the record, I don't "blindly hate" the guy. I did my research and, with clear eyes, decided that I don't care for him or his bullshit UBI.

Its not about Tribal either...its okay to dislike someone and call out their bullshit policies.

His UBI is essentially regressive in a few ways...its the opposite of progressive.

And again, the people Yang attracts is.very.telling.


  

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66. "Well,that's why I emphasize my view is shaped by having been a caregiver"
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and a woman (and thus more statistically likely to have to sacrifice wages/earnings, advancement, FT labor participation, etc - or abandon them entirely - to perform reproductive work). If someone can't relate to that (and tbf, maybe you can, I don't know you lol), I'm not going to be surprised if they don't get where I'm coming from.

Respectfully tho, that still doesn't put you in any position to dictate what I (or somebody like me) should consider 'truly' empowering. To some, the extra cash/mth might just be a 'stack', but in the life of the friend I mentioned it would have been transformational in contrast to the assistance she (is still grateful to have) received.

I think we might have gone back and forth on this before, so I already know we disagree and that's totally ok (and at least you don't hurl insults to communicate your disagreement lol).

But ya I do think the concern about choice (in this context) is overblown and paternalistic. And if the disagreement really boils down to universality v. means-testing... I'm not wedded to either approach bc the population in question definitely matters as does the scope, context, goals, and financing of a program. I think both approaches have advantages and disadvantages. So maybe that factors in to my clash with yall on this as well.

I mean if you guys think it's stupid for people receiving prescribed gov benefits to choose whether they'd instead prefer 1000/month in cash, are you also outraged that people earning above the FPL cutoff can't access benefits?? Because the means-testing kinda works both ways, no? It's not like food insecurity disappears once folks clear that cutoff.

Also: he proposed taxing the most capitalized corporations on the planet, capital gains, and high-earners to redistribute money to Americans - this is regressive?? lol come on. Yall are just throwing around these words (libertarian, regressive etc) like they don't have definitions


>If I get an extra stack from the Fed, so should anyone who is
>worse off than me. Regardless of what other benefits they get.
>
>
>That would be truly empowering. To get the same benefit
>everyone else gets without having to choose.
>
>
>Making them choose is not empowering. That is some bullshit
>right wing bootstrap talk.
>
>If its universal, make it universal.
>

  

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68. "You’re killing it in this post, lol"
In response to Reply # 66


          


salute

>and a woman (and thus more statistically likely to have to
>sacrifice wages/earnings, advancement, FT labor participation,
>etc - or abandon them entirely - to perform reproductive
>work). If someone can't relate to that (and tbf, maybe you
>can, I don't know you lol), I'm not going to be surprised if
>they don't get where I'm coming from.
>
>Respectfully tho, that still doesn't put you in any position
>to dictate what I (or somebody like me) should consider
>'truly' empowering. To some, the extra cash/mth might just be
>a 'stack', but in the life of the friend I mentioned it would
>have been transformational in contrast to the assistance she
>(is still grateful to have) received.
>
>I think we might have gone back and forth on this before, so I
>already know we disagree and that's totally ok (and at least
>you don't hurl insults to communicate your disagreement lol).
>
>
>But ya I do think the concern about choice (in this context)
>is overblown and paternalistic. And if the disagreement really
>boils down to universality v. means-testing... I'm not wedded
>to either approach bc the population in question definitely
>matters as does the scope, context, goals, and financing of a
>program. I think both approaches have advantages and
>disadvantages. So maybe that factors in to my clash with yall
>on this as well.
>
>I mean if you guys think it's stupid for people receiving
>prescribed gov benefits to choose whether they'd instead
>prefer 1000/month in cash, are you also outraged that people
>earning above the FPL cutoff can't access benefits?? Because
>the means-testing kinda works both ways, no? It's not like
>food insecurity disappears once folks clear that cutoff.
>
>Also: he proposed taxing the most capitalized corporations on
>the planet, capital gains, and high-earners to redistribute
>money to Americans - this is regressive?? lol come on. Yall
>are just throwing around these words (libertarian, regressive
>etc) like they don't have definitions
>
>
>>If I get an extra stack from the Fed, so should anyone who
>is
>>worse off than me. Regardless of what other benefits they
>get.
>>
>>
>>That would be truly empowering. To get the same benefit
>>everyone else gets without having to choose.
>>
>>
>>Making them choose is not empowering. That is some bullshit
>>right wing bootstrap talk.
>>
>>If its universal, make it universal.
>>

  

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70. "lol! sorry for post-jacking"
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71. "Michael Bloomberg was mayor when I lived in NY"
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And as much as I can't picture Andrew Yang as mayor, I agree with a lot of your sentiments wholeheartedly

Appreciate your cool-headed posting when the goin gets ruff lol

  

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76. "imagine being dumb enough to support republican policies"
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because you can't read

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92. "You're literally the last one to lecture anyone about reading lol"
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you don't back up any of the nonsense you type

  

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77. "you should be insulted. you can't read and you're dumb"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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93. "*yawn*"
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lol so full of shit

  

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155. "nah"
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Giving everyone $1000 unconditionally...but making those on assistance already choose is regressive. When the benefits disproportionally go to higher income, that is regressive.

And anyone on assistance would be far better served to keep their assistance AND get the same UBI everyone else is getting. That would be more empowering and more progressive and just make a lot more sense.

I am also under the impression that UBI would be at least partially funded through sales tax which is regressive...but maybe I am remembering wrong.

Again, I'm not downplaying what "a stack" could do for your friend, etc. I didn't mean to be flippant.

My point is that if I get a x amount in UBI, certainly everyone in a worse position should.

This isn't means testing either. Its the opposite. If Yang's proposal says "if you make over 200k" or whatever you don't get/need it...thats means testing.

At the end of the day there is nothing you can say to convince me that everyone should get UBI on top of their current income...EXCEPT anyone on assistance, they have to choose....is a good or progressive policy.

It isnt.

UBI should be UBI not "Universal unless you are already getting handouts why should you get to double dip?" shit. Which is basically what that is.


Take Booker's Baby Bond idea. What if it was "every child born gets a $1,000 bond (or whatever it was)...unless the mother is on assistance. Her baby only gets the bond if she gives up her assistance"


That is...fucking weird and not right. I HATE the message of demonizing or whatever people who require assistance. It is some Reagan shit.


Again, I'm not saying $1,000 to your friend wouldn't be life changing.

I'm saying, your friend shouldn't have to choose. And if UBI works, then she will be off assistance on her own in due time because of what UBI could afford her.

>and a woman (and thus more statistically likely to have to
>sacrifice wages/earnings, advancement, FT labor participation,
>etc - or abandon them entirely - to perform reproductive
>work). If someone can't relate to that (and tbf, maybe you
>can, I don't know you lol), I'm not going to be surprised if
>they don't get where I'm coming from.
>
>Respectfully tho, that still doesn't put you in any position
>to dictate what I (or somebody like me) should consider
>'truly' empowering. To some, the extra cash/mth might just be
>a 'stack', but in the life of the friend I mentioned it would
>have been transformational in contrast to the assistance she
>(is still grateful to have) received.
>
>I think we might have gone back and forth on this before, so I
>already know we disagree and that's totally ok (and at least
>you don't hurl insults to communicate your disagreement lol).
>
>
>But ya I do think the concern about choice (in this context)
>is overblown and paternalistic. And if the disagreement really
>boils down to universality v. means-testing... I'm not wedded
>to either approach bc the population in question definitely
>matters as does the scope, context, goals, and financing of a
>program. I think both approaches have advantages and
>disadvantages. So maybe that factors in to my clash with yall
>on this as well.
>
>I mean if you guys think it's stupid for people receiving
>prescribed gov benefits to choose whether they'd instead
>prefer 1000/month in cash, are you also outraged that people
>earning above the FPL cutoff can't access benefits?? Because
>the means-testing kinda works both ways, no? It's not like
>food insecurity disappears once folks clear that cutoff.
>
>Also: he proposed taxing the most capitalized corporations on
>the planet, capital gains, and high-earners to redistribute
>money to Americans - this is regressive?? lol come on. Yall
>are just throwing around these words (libertarian, regressive
>etc) like they don't have definitions
>
>
>>If I get an extra stack from the Fed, so should anyone who
>is
>>worse off than me. Regardless of what other benefits they
>get.
>>
>>
>>That would be truly empowering. To get the same benefit
>>everyone else gets without having to choose.
>>
>>
>>Making them choose is not empowering. That is some bullshit
>>right wing bootstrap talk.
>>
>>If its universal, make it universal.
>>

  

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170. "Ok. I respect your opinion. We can just agree to disagree "
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like the other times we've argued about this lol.

I do think you might be remembering the VAT wrong tho, just to get that out of the way. From what I've seen it would work out to being more of a corporate tax + luxury item tax because of what would be exempted (eg. basic consumer goods like food, personal care items, etc https://2020.yang2020.com/policies/value-added-tax/), and he was also quite explicit about targeting tech and finance in particular (eg. levying the VAT on tech transactions https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/19/andrew-yang-on-google-amazon-helping-pay-for-his-ubi-plan.html, financial transactions, etc - https://2020.yang2020.com/policies/financial-transaction-tax/).

This VAT mixup is an example of what I mean tho when I say the yang hate on okp is so anti-factual lol. I actually won't even deny that he's got a goofy tech-bro persona that can be off-putting (lol), and I wasn't some yangganger during the primaries, but it's like you guys conflate persona and policy and then on top of that get key features of his UBI proposal wrong... How can a serious critique be levied without having the facts straight??


>
>Giving everyone $1000 unconditionally...but making those on
>assistance already choose is regressive. When the benefits
>disproportionally go to higher income, that is regressive.
>
>And anyone on assistance would be far better served to keep
>their assistance AND get the same UBI everyone else is
>getting. That would be more empowering and more progressive
>and just make a lot more sense.



I understand where you're coming from. At the very least, I'll concede it's a regressive 'element' to what would end up progressive policy in the long-run (In this analysis, a similar conclusion is drawn: https://medium.com/ubicenter/distributional-analysis-of-andrew-yangs-freedom-dividend-d8dab818bf1b). Overall tho, the one point on which our views might converge is that X amount of support is better than zero support, right? And I think a big difference in the way we're looking at is: I'm willing to see the merit in a range of delivery models that could help those on government assistance access UBI, whereas you guys are only willing to see merit if UBI is delivered *that one way*. I think *both* automatic access to UBI and having the option to access UBI is *better* than zero access to UBI. You guys think *only* automatic access to UBI is worth considering.

It's worth noting tho that even if government assistance beneficiaries were automatically eligible for UBI as you suggest, this population remains a minority in the US (~30% according to this old-ish CRS report - https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R44327) and the UBI would still disproportionately go to those not considered low-income. So even if Yang's UBI proposal was structured the way you prefer, that approach would remain regressive according to your interpretation.

The key is that when numbers are crunched, a measure like disposable income (figure from study linked above: https://miro.medium.com/max/700/1*FdcZFFLrFFuNitz-mF8I1g.png) is projected to increase with each lower income quantile, and a measure like new taxes paid is projected to increase with each higher income quantile (another figure from study linked above: https://miro.medium.com/max/700/0*_6S7Fv4_NZmekSvk), etc. Those are the kinds of effects economists and such look at when evaluating whether a plan is progressive, they don't really stop after looking at a treatment's distribution (the treatment in this case being the UBI cash transfers).


>
>Again, I'm not downplaying what "a stack" could do for your
>friend, etc. I didn't mean to be flippant.


I hear ya. And I appreciate the clarification. They're doing great now btw


>
>My point is that if I get a x amount in UBI, certainly
>everyone in a worse position should.

And they could. If they WANT to.

>
>This isn't means testing either. Its the opposite. If Yang's
>proposal says "if you make over 200k" or whatever you don't
>get/need it...thats means testing.
>


Ok, so do you not view beneficiaries' existing government benefits as having monetary value/a form of income then?? Because Yang's criterion was basically as you said except it's if you're receiving X already from the US gov (excl. SS) you can't concurrently receive UBI. All means-testing does is specify some kind of eligibility criteria that must be met to qualify for a benefit or program (www.who.int/alliance-hpsr/projects/alliancehpsr_meanstesting_systematicreviewshandong.pdf#page=4).

IIRC, our clash is you and rjcc think *any* ineligibility for UBI is abhorrent (so basically advocate pure universality), and mistak5 mentioned if there must be some degree of means-testing he'd rather see it applied to the wealthy (which I conceded is a fair point). I brought up the universality v. means-testing debate bc my thing with your universality argument is there's all sorts of people in need *right now* who are disqualified from accessing government assistance (eg. facing food insecurity but exceeding the FPL, not meeting state duration of residence requirement, etc). So by your and rjcc's standard, most of the existing welfare state is diabolically life-threatening trash, talk more of Yang's idea for (federal) UBI lol.

And the thing is, a UBI program (incl. Yang's) would probably provide much relief to the very population current means-testing fails to capture (i.e those in need + ineligible). Not to mention, passing such a bill would probably be more efficient than constantly fighting conservatives to expand eligibility for existing programs. But congresspeople reasoning like you and rjcc would block Yang's UBI bill bc God forbid low-income people exercise any agency. That's the danger I see in your stance.



>At the end of the day there is nothing you can say to convince
>me that everyone should get UBI on top of their current
>income...EXCEPT anyone on assistance, they have to
>choose....is a good or progressive policy.
>
>It isnt.
>
>UBI should be UBI not "Universal unless you are already
>getting handouts why should you get to double dip?" shit.
>Which is basically what that is.
>
>
>Take Booker's Baby Bond idea. What if it was "every child
>born gets a $1,000 bond (or whatever it was)...unless the
>mother is on assistance. Her baby only gets the bond if she
>gives up her assistance"
>
>
>That is...fucking weird and not right. I HATE the message of
>demonizing or whatever people who require assistance. It is
>some Reagan shit.
>
>
>Again, I'm not saying $1,000 to your friend wouldn't be life
>changing.
>
>I'm saying, your friend shouldn't have to choose. And if UBI
>works, then she will be off assistance on her own in due time
>because of what UBI could afford her.
>


Ok well, I'm not trying to convince you (guys) of anything I was moreso just defending the proposal. It's nowhere near as harmful as you guys are making it out to be imho. And I arrived at that conclusion by both reading about it and contemplating how my family members and others I know who have used government assistance would view such a choice. Additionally, like I was saying to Mista5k, I think it's important to factor in how programs are actually developed/funded in government.

The only way I could be swayed to view beneficiary choice as super inferior, like you guys do, is if studies demonstrated that the cost difference between the two approaches would be negligible. Because I def think whatever amount congress agreed to appropriate should serve the maximized number of people. I'm skeptical of that being the case tho.

The fundamental issue I have with your grievance tho is it would actually be the worst case scenario for my friend (i.e. zero access to UBI) if folks like you and rjcc were in congress and tanked such a bill (if Yang's federal UBI proposal ever made it that far). Because you would be voting against the income AND the option. My position is that both receiving the income OR having the option to receive it could enable relief/transformation.

Another thing is, one could argue that the delivery model you guys are championing would render government assistance like SNAP, TANF, WIC etc *more* vulnerable to cuts/cancellation (which concerns rjcc in particular), because redundant spending is one of the primary reasons used to justify "streamlining" government programs (eg. https://www.gao.gov/new.items/d11318sp.pdf). So, as little merit as you and rjcc see in enabling beneficiaries to choose how their government assistance is structured (which, for some, may mean staying on their existing benefits), that same feature might actually provide some political cover.

I should clarify tho that if it was me in congress I wouldn't tank *any* UBI bill that made it through deliberations/could pass because of an ideological nitpick, redundant spending or not. So even though I disagree with yall that Yang's proposed UBI model lacks merit, I never said your position wasn't righteous and I'd vote for it just the same. I just personally thought the anti-choice arguments were a bit paternalistic and that there are fiscal and political reasons your preferred approach might backfire in practice.

  

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75. ""flexibility on how they receive benefits" LOL"
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if you fall for this you're a fucking idiot.

this has been a republican lie since the 80s

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96. "Agreed. Great reply too "
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prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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82. "motherfuckers swear Yang isn't a libertarian"
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meanwhile the "oh I just don't hate him I've just copied and pasted all of his proposals with reading them" crowd is in here literally going to the wall for a Scott Walker plan to gut social services.


you couldn't imagine a dumber group of motherfuckers than these people


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83. "Lmao why you always gotta go so hard tho 😭"
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84. "I really don't feel like this is going hard. "
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119. "most unhinged people dont think they're doing too much"
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you dont seem like a bad guy tho. you're like alabama power with better politics, but with all the anger issues.

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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132. "or maybe you're just a liar"
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which would be less likely if you hadn't demonstrably lied in this thread

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166. "Deflection."
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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94. "Please. Again, you just type whatever insults you can as cover "
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for your bullshit arguments

link up or shut up






>meanwhile the "oh I just don't hate him I've just copied and
>pasted all of his proposals with reading them" crowd is in
>here literally going to the wall for a Scott Walker plan to
>gut social services.
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99. "if you can't find andrew yang's campaign website that's your problem"
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102. "I can find it just fine and in fact linked as a source in my 1st reply "
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A concept foreign to you bc literally all you do on this site is shitpost and call people names

seek help

  

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107. "so why are you begging me for links if you have them"
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110. "Because you said Yang's UBI proposal = Scott Walker's cuts "
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to social services and I invited you to demonstrate with some sources how that's even remotely true (it's not).

You somehow want to hang these social services cuts conservatives pursue all the time (which, again, I linked recent examples of in an earlier reply) on Yang to suit your narrative, and it's nonsense. He never advocated for cuts once during the primaries (nor was it championed in his platform) and if he did link it up (which you won't).

I could care less that you hate the guy but disinfo sucks man


  

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112. "you connected them. if you think that's disinfo"
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then you should delete your account and stop spreading it.

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113. "#82 you:"going to the wall for a Scott Walker plan to gut social service..."
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link:

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13419974&mesg_id=13419974&page=#13420333


so you not only bully posters and shitpost at every opportunity but gaslight too?

I think we're done here dude





  

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131. "yes, because that's literally what you were arguing for"
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if you weren't in favor of it, you shouldn't have been so happy about cutting entitlements



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140. "Not even close."
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BYE RJCC!

  

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142. "I know you don't want to acknowledge it, but it doesn't change the facts"
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just vote republican next time

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145. "There's no point,nor any facts,to acknowledge.You're just making shit up"
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Including the notion that I could or would ever vote conservative lol


I had a little time for your aggy word salads earlier in the week but not now


Go away

  

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146. "you literally want to"
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97. "every yang post"
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103. "lol correction: every rjcc post"
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105. "not every rj post in a yang post"
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but every yang post is a rj post

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108. "seems like a weird thing to think about but if you like it then"
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109. "some things are impossible to not notice"
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104. "yang: nyc needs tiktok hype houses"
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https://twitter.com/TaylorLorenz/status/1349539337973727233

definitely whats on the mind of nyc voters in the middle of a health/financial crisis.

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111. "oh my god "
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just wow lol

  

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120. "this is so idiotic, i love it."
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We need politicians who are extremely online. its easier to hold them accountable if you can ratio and meme them to death.


thats why these dinosaurs currently holding office can get away with sacrificing citizens to corporations and the pentagon. they're not online enough.

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144. "O Andrew...Smdh "
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prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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114. "Looks like he's addressed the criticisms"
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from https://www.yangforny.com/policies/basic-income-for-new-york-city

Any New Yorker, regardless of their immigration status or life experience (ie. past experience with incarceration or the criminal justice system, experience of homelessness), will be eligible to receive cash relief.

New York City’s basic program will be supplementary to any benefits that New Yorkers currently receive and will not be categorized as “income.” In other words, New Yorkers currently receiving SNAP, TANF, Medicaid, housing assistance and more would have no interruption to these benefits.

The Yang administration will invest $1 billion per year in cash relief, making this the largest basic income program in the country.

plus

A Yang administration will launch the largest basic income program in the country. Through this program, 500,000 New Yorkers with the greatest need will receive a basic income that will help give them a path forward. Our goal is to end extreme poverty in New York City by putting cash relief directly into the hands of those who desperately need help right now, ensuring that every household has an annual income that is at least above extreme poverty, taking into account the true cost of living in New York City.

This basic income program will start with providing those who are living in extreme poverty with an average of $2,000 per year. This program can then be grown over time as it receives more funding from public and philanthropic organizations, with the vision of eventually ending poverty in New York City altogether.

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This is similar to policies proposed by Guy Caron of the NDP in Canada and the Canadian Green Party. It's not really "universal" basic income but instead it's desinged more to make sure everyone has a certain floor to their income that is at or above the poverty line. Obviously a true UBI would be best but I think this would be a good start.

  

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143. "if he really wanted to address the criticisms he'd back someone"
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who has political experience and has actually done some of the things he claims he wants to do.


he won't do that.

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121. "Yang getting clowned for not knowing Bodegas"
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https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1350079442488590337

Where is Poppy!


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122. "Couldnt even tell it was a bodega at first "
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https://twitter.com/eviljohna/status/1350100497877901315?s=21

All the bodegas I’ve been in look like this ^^^ lol

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124. "Those definitely still exist"
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but gentrification has changed how they look and what they sell pretty quickly.

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125. "An actual bodega bodega"
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like the one my father in law has in east new york looks like neither of those top two.

The Yemeni dudes know how to put fancy signage and healthy snacks, it's a bodega still technically but not in spirit lol

The one Yang is in I would say is no longer a bodega at all

  

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134. "Ding bat DiBlasio"
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eats pizza with a knife and fork and actually roots for the Boston Red Sox if I'm not mistaken, so its not as if shoddy identity politics have stopped folks from serving as mayor of NYC before.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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136. "If Andrew Yang wanted to use "the bodega""
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that glorious overhyped facet of New York culture as a cornerstone to his campaign for mayor, he should have at least found a bodega bodega, you know what I mean?

  

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137. "I'm not a fan of the man"
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nor did that fancy looking deli qualify like as a bodega in my eyes, but I don't think that video clip will be that big a deal in the long run.

Unfortunately, I have a feeling there are folks in NYC that actually aren't bothered by that video.

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138. "where the money reside, that counts as a bodega"
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and those are the people yang is courting.

the same people he went after before. white guys with money who think both sides suck and are willing to open their wallets but who also would never under any circumstances enter a black neighborhood.

he is what he is.

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128. "yeah, he's definitely from new york"
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and not a fucking grifter that only the dumbest losers on the planet would give five minutes of their time.



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152. "somebody created this nigga in a writers room."
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123. "I don't know about Yang,"
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but can someone call Rjcc's wife and ask her to massage his amygdala or something?

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126. "lol yup -- him and I agree on a number of issues beyond politics"
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that get posted here, but that kind of angry keyboard bully approach is trash.

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127. "you feel bullied"
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135. "By who? "
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You and I have never even gotten into no shit as far as my memory serves lol. If so, its long forgotten Refresh me

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139. "somebody gotta find the person I'm allegedly bullying"
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because if a libertarian is offended I said motherfucking, then I don't give a fuck

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130. "if people want someone to be nice to them"
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then they shouldn't lie

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159. "Except you do this to people who argue in good faith too,"
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and you go way overboard with it. It looks like displaced aggression instead of righteous indignation over willful stupidity or deliberate lying.

I agree with you on the issues themselves 99% of the time, but the way you try to shut down people when they don't align with your opinions is unnecessary and off-putting in most cases.

Anyways, back to Yang. I took one look at that bodega video and everything about him seemed insincere so I guess we agree about that.

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160. "no one should ever look at how I'm discussing things"
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and think that I'm worth agreeing with because I've been nice.

that is not valuable to me.

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162. "Not what I'm saying at all."
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And since I'm not you, I'll just wish you good luck with whatever it is you're trying to do here and shift my focus to conversations that do go somewhere.

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163. "sounds like a plan"
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168. "Deflection."
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Looks like a pattern here.



You have a lot of nice people pleading with you to not be so antagonistic. People who are not me or associated with me any way.


If not me, at least listen to them.


This isn't healthy behavior


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169. "deflection would more accurately describe"
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someone desperately trying to change the subject to a personal attack after realizing that their defense of andrew yang based on the idea that "people vote in polls" has fallen apart.


you don't want to talk about that now, so you're deflecting. and you can't even do it well enough to do it without literally saying what you're doing.

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161. "no one should ever look at how I'm discussing things"
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and think that I'm worth agreeing with because I've been nice.

that is not valuable to me.

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167. "Deflection."
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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147. "LOL does anyone in this whole post live in NYC? "
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148. "to the extent that Andrew Yang does, yes"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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149. "lol ok ok"
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150. "lol"
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151. "detroit and delaware gonna fix it?"
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lol y'all got it. I'm just throwing darts.

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153. "vote for him fam. hope it works out lol."
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156. "lol let me know who you guys ultimately select"
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158. "we just had this happen in Michigan"
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https://www.clickondetroit.com/decision-2020/2020/08/05/ex-gubernatorial-candidate-shri-thanedar-wins-nomination-for-michigan-house-seat/

except the dude is actually rich (but far stranger of a human being) and responded to his failed gubernatorial run by running for something he could actually win, and did.



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154. "L O L "
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I can't believe anyone would read up on dude and his proposals and say "yep, this sounds good"

I think some people crave an "outsider" so badly that they refuse to think critically.

  

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171. "LoL"
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172. "I literally lurked this post and stopped myself from replying"
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becuz of this right here.

LoL

anyone thinking the yang hate is becuz of his ethnicity is insane, it's mostly becuz of his classism

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174. "Imagine New Yorkers caring about any other city's mayoral race"
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179. "Yeah fuck New York, it’s trash! Wish national media would not cover it..."
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Wish it wasn’t the largest city in this country! Yeah!

Then it’s “see everyone hates on New York”

Smdh lol what jokes

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191. "LOL @ the response three months later"
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bringing that heat!

  

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195. "LOL @ thinking I check this site daily "
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Bringing the heat indeed lmao weirdo

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175. "yikes"
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https://mobile.twitter.com/natemcdermott/status/1353057524493107208

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176. "lol :("
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177. "do as i say..."
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https://mobile.twitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1355602565539524610

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178. "yet here we are..."
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Some folks in here were acting like he had no shot at this race and didnt pull votes and people in. Now this dork is the favorite down the home stretch....not good.

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181. "This isn't the home stretch"
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The field is still very crowded in terms of folks that are still technically running and none of the debates occurred yet. Campaign donations will probably help him stay afloat for a decent amount of time, but I think it's a bit more prudent to wait until the beginning of the fall to see if Yang is the true front runner.

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188. "Bruh, the democratic primary is in the summer"
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By the fall we will essentially know who is gonna be mayor

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180. "This is not a campaign run"
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it feels more like a guy doing a trial version of his new App called Mayorly

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182. "fascinating nm"
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on sabbatical.

does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

  

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183. "Is anyone here paid by the Democratic party?"
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Bunch of weirdos reflexively anti-yang. Shame pelosi or biden can't run for nyc mayor

  

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184. "only the dumbest motherfuckers on the entire planet"
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can't figure out that dude is a whole fake

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186. "That’s what us “corporate dems” want deep down "
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Pelosi to be mayor of NYC

Instead of fuxking crushing it as the House Speaker lol

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185. "Libertariannnnnnnn"
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https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1381245547051372548

"You know what I hear over and over again - that NYC is not enforcing rules against unlicensed street vendors. I’m for increasing licenses but we should do more for the retailers who are paying rent and trying to survive."

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187. "This seems very on brand for Andy"
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189. "Tonight at the Stonewall: https://twitter.com/harrisdoran/status/1385067..."
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https://twitter.com/harrisdoran/status/1385067184305623040?s=21

Oh rang

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190. "RE: Tonight at the Stonewall: https://twitter.com/harrisdoran/status/138..."
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Not sure what’s gonna stop this train at this point— especially with ranked voting.
But we’re gonna see what it’s like to have a nice, jolly version of trump in power.

I think the only way the train stops is the other candidates gotta step up and sacrifice their candidacy. I haven’t seen anyone willing to do that

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192. "The Tusk connection is underreported"
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It's mentioned in the original post but the connections seems much more nefarious than the NYTimes initially indicated

https://www.cityandstateny.com/articles/politics/new-york-city/andrew-yangs-mayoral-campaign-being-run-lobbying-firm.html

  

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193. "Fat cats, Bigga fish"
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194. "if I described yang as what he actually is"
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a failed businessman with regressive policies who's backed by the same shady wall street folks y'all claim to hate

these people who love him would pretend to not like him

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196. "cut social services in exchange for $2,000 per year."
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this mf is barely a libertarian and is basically a republican

https://thebrick.house/how-michael-bloombergs-former-campaign-manager-became-andrew-yangs-favorite-fixer/


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197. "New York City needs more cops tbh - Yang"
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you can google it

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198. "him and Bohocop trying to out law and order each other"
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199. "imagine supporting someone who is endorsed by Stephen Miller"
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Ted Cruz and Meghan McCain

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200. "I missed that one. But makes perfect sense "
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201. "Grand opening, grand closing with the PBA cosign"
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and now his Washington, DC-ready pro-Israel script.

Better go for a CNN job now.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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202. "I believe him saying he'd close Rikers"
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he'd for sure turn it into a private prison

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203. "Anyone here watch last night's debates?"
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Although she is probably too left leaning to have a realistic shot, Maya Wiley came across as the strongest candidate from last night's debates IMO. Despite the seemingly powerful endorsement from the NY Times, Kathryn Garcia didn't get much traction last night and was almost an afterthought. I hope Wiley makes it through the primaries and on the main ticket.

I was also surprised that the other candidates didn't attack Yang as much as I assumed they would since he's supposedly the front runner. Perhaps that has to do with the fact he isn't attacking folks back and isn't on the offensive that strongly.

Scott Stringer's harassment charge barely got a mention last night either, which is odd. I guess the other candidates don't want to get to overly negative with overall attacks yet.

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