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"US employers cut 140,000 jobs in December, Women -15600, men +1600"


  

          

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/economy/women-job-losses-pandemic/index.html?utm_term=link&utm_content=2021-01-08T22%3A29%3A01&utm_source=twCNN&utm_medium=social

CNN Business) — A year ago, a rare thing happened to American women.

For three months, they held more jobs than men in the US economy — something that had only occurred one other time in history, during a short period in 2009 and early 2010.

Sure, there were still many other gender gaps: women were more likely than men to work part-time, for example, because of caregiving responsibilities at home, and even among full-time workers, they earned on average only 81 cents for every dollar of their male peers.
Nevertheless, women were making gradual gains.

The pandemic quickly changed that story. And now, it just got worse.

According to new data released Friday, employers cut 140,000 jobs in December, signaling that the economic recovery from the coronavirus pandemic is backtracking. Digging deeper into the data also reveals a shocking gender gap: Women accounted for all the job losses, losing 156,000 jobs, while men gained 16,000.
These are net numbers, which can mask some of the underlying churn in the labor market. Of course many men lost their jobs in December, too — but when taken together as a group, they came out ahead, whereas women fell behind.

Meanwhile, a separate survey of households, which includes self-employed workers, showed an even wider gender disparity. It also highlighted another painful reality: Among women, Blacks and Latinas lost jobs in December, while White women made significant gains.
Economists often warn against reading too much into a single month, but December's job losses capped off an already awful year for working women — particularly women of color.

Black and Latina women disproportionately work in some of the hardest-hit sectors in the pandemic, often in roles that lack paid sick leave and the ability to work from home. As schools and day cares closed, many were forced to make hard trade-offs between work and parenting.
"Those sectors are less likely to have flexibility, so when employers are inflexible or women can't come to work because of caregiving responsibilities — they have to exit the workforce," said C. Nicole Mason, president and CEO of the Institute for Women's Policy Research.

Overall, women are still down 5.4 million jobs from February, before the pandemic began, as compared to 4.4 million job losses for men. They started 2020 on roughly equal footing, with women holding 50.03% of jobs, but ended it holding 860,000 fewer jobs than their male peers.

That gap is in large part due to steep job losses in three sectors: education — which remains a female-dominated industry — hospitality and retail, particularly clothing and accessories stores. All of these industries have been hammered by the pandemic.

"We don't have the pandemic under control. Schools and day cares are still closing, and we know that's what's impacting women's ability to reenter the workforce and sustain jobs," Mason said.

In December, restaurants and bars cut the most jobs by far, and part-time workers were hit especially hard.

Among women, Latinas currently have the highest unemployment rate at 9.1%, followed by Black women at 8.4%. White women have the lowest unemployment rate at 5.7%.
The Bureau of Labor Statistics does not release seasonally-adjusted unemployment rates for women of other racial or ethnic identities.

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yikes
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bruh
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That’s why I don’t feel bad about anything work related anymore.
Jan 08th 2021
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      Preach!
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I believe this is why they are pushing to open schools
Jan 08th 2021
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It’s amazing because companies save 23% on labor cost
Jan 08th 2021
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Sexism and racism are two systems that aren't about sense only power
Jan 08th 2021
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But they don't, because women are more likely to miss work.
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      Sources cited: none
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*white* women actually gained jobs. by a lot.
Jan 08th 2021
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FUCKING YIKES
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Men lost more jobs in the Great Recession
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What a ho ass response.
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      Just facts.
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           Cite your sources
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                See page 2
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                     See page one
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                          If women lost fewer jobs during the recession
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                               But how is that in reference to what's occuring now
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                                    OK
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                                         This would've worked best as an original comment.
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that's a pretty astonishing (and astonishingly effed up ) stat.
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I saw some incarceration gender disparity stats
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Y’all just absolutely can’t find a humanizing thing to say about the...
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Responses so far remind me of something.
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Tit for tat?
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      Nope. It's white people..
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           It's like a reflex
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           Lol, I feel your spirit.
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mista k5
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1. "yikes"
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2. "bruh"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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MEAT
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4. "That’s why I don’t feel bad about anything work related anymore."
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Not to that degree, like if I lose my individual job there’s only but so much that I’ll allow myself to believe it’s not biased

If women can lose jobs at that rate then that’s not on any individual woman

And the kind of biases that can harm 50% of the country at a 100% rate damn sure can leak to our 13% Black selves

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24. "Preach!"
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The upkept racist system are bound to rear its ugly head on those that have benefitted the most. Crazy thing is it will also give more community push to make do and then some which has always been the case for black and some non-white identifying people.

  

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legsdiamond
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3. "I believe this is why they are pushing to open schools"
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kids home..

mom has to stay home.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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5. "It’s amazing because companies save 23% on labor cost "
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Fri Jan-08-21 06:27 PM by shockvalue

          

By employing women, at least according to something I read. You’d think they’d be firing men and hiring women left and right if that’s correct.

  

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MEAT
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6. "Sexism and racism are two systems that aren't about sense only power"
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Fri Jan-08-21 06:30 PM by MEAT

  

          

"Invisible" currency

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7. "But they don't, because women are more likely to miss work. "
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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MEAT
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8. "Sources cited: none"
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9. "*white* women actually gained jobs. by a lot."
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it was black/latina women who got devastated.

hell of a way for them to bury the lede.

>Meanwhile, a separate survey of households, which includes
>self-employed workers, showed an even wider gender disparity.
>It also highlighted another painful reality: Among women,
>Blacks and Latinas lost jobs in December, while White women
>made significant gains.

  

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10. "FUCKING YIKES"
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11. "Men lost more jobs in the Great Recession"
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Fri Jan-08-21 08:48 PM by Fire1986

          

“Invisible hand.”

Now we’re equal.

Everything has been figured out except how to live.

  

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12. "What a ho ass response."
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13. "Just facts. "
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Everything has been figured out except how to live.

  

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14. "Cite your sources"
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15. "See page 2"
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https://inequality.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/LaborMarkets_fact_sheet.pdf

Everything has been figured out except how to live.

  

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MEAT
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16. "See page one"
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https://www.epi.org/blog/job-growth-great-recession-equal-men-women/

Men lost far more jobs than women did in the Great Recession—over 6.0 million jobs, or 8.5 percent of their total December 2007 employment, compared to women who lost 2.7 million jobs, or 3.5 percent. Since the economy started regaining jobs, however, the gender dynamic in job growth has reversed—between February 2010 and the June 2014, men gained 5.5 million while women gained 3.6 million jobs.

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17. "If women lost fewer jobs during the recession"
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Why would you expect them to gain more in the recovery?

Everything has been figured out except how to live.

  

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18. "But how is that in reference to what's occuring now"
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Fri Jan-08-21 09:21 PM by MEAT

  

          

During the recession men lost more than gained more
Women also lost, but lost less and then rebounded with a positive

This article says that women accounted for ALL of the job losses in a single month, not even expanded over time. So an acute impact felt disproportionately among women isn't the same as the recession.

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19. "OK"
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It relates because the jobs lost by women this month might translate into more jobs for women than for men in the coming months, when these women recover their jobs.

Maybe in the Great Recession, a million construction jobs were lost and a million men were fired. But only 500,000 health services jobs were lost and 500,000 women were fired.

When the recovery happened you saw a million men gain (construction) jobs but only 500,000 women gain (health services) jobs. So on the surface, it looked like men were being favored in hiring, but really they were just gaining back what they lost.

So all the women who lost their jobs this month might get them back (and some) when the affected industries no longer have to socially-distance and can open up their workplaces again.

Everything has been figured out except how to live.

  

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25. "This would've worked best as an original comment."
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20. "that's a pretty astonishing (and astonishingly effed up ) stat. "
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but damn.


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21. "I saw some incarceration gender disparity stats "
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The other day that were truly shocking. Off hand I don’t remember which gender it was that was over represented, but either men or women get incarcerated at something like 19x the other gender. Whatever bias exists that is keeping this disparity going needs to be addressed. I’m sure we all agree it MUST be bias causing this.

  

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22. "Y’all just absolutely can’t find a humanizing thing to say about the..."
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You’re replying to. It’s weird.

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23. "Responses so far remind me of something."
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Can't put my finger on it though.

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26. "Tit for tat?"
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27. "Nope. It's white people.."
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Sat Jan-09-21 11:41 AM by Backbone

  

          

..when confronted with statistics that illustrate how real and pervasive racism is. They employ the same type of whataboutery and other disingenuous tactics to deny that there is a problem, or that's big enough to warrant considerable attention.

Obviously not everyone in this thread is doing it, but it's a theme on OKP in general, unfortunately (when discussing misogyny or sexism).

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28. "It's like a reflex"
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29. "Lol, I feel your spirit. "
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