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tariqhu
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"banned"


          

orange has been banned from FB and IG. at least for the last few days of his term.

does he even use those platforms? and why just now? will twitter follow suit. not that I disagree with the move, but this is long overdue. and too late.

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political pandering... fuckboyberg knows ...
Jan 07th 2021
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andddd dems wont do shit.
Jan 07th 2021
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banned from Facebook. Still not banned from nuclear codes
Jan 07th 2021
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that part.
Jan 08th 2021
23
the indefinite part?
Jan 07th 2021
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consititutional right to post on facebook?
Jan 07th 2021
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lol
Jan 07th 2021
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the free speech part...
Jan 07th 2021
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      Nobody is stopping Trump from speaking
Jan 07th 2021
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      ^
Jan 07th 2021
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      Ok. I’ve never used Facebook...
Jan 07th 2021
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           that amendment isn't for every forum or circumstance.
Jan 07th 2021
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           why did Zuckerberg have to go before a senate committee?
Jan 07th 2021
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                financial stuff and political ads
Jan 07th 2021
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                     thanks...
Jan 07th 2021
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                          no problem
Jan 07th 2021
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           It’s bullshit
Jan 08th 2021
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      Congress shall make no law abridging freedom of speech.
Jan 07th 2021
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same way it works for everybody else.
Jan 07th 2021
9
Is Trump on Parler going ham?
Jan 07th 2021
5
be careful if you hear he is
Jan 09th 2021
39
Several years late and several billion dollars short
Jan 07th 2021
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Yep. The damage is done.
Jan 07th 2021
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lulz
Jan 07th 2021
20
yeah, kinda pointless.
Jan 07th 2021
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"Bet." -Twitter
Jan 08th 2021
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I mean, he could just use press conferences/press releases...
Jan 08th 2021
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He also still has the @potus account
Jan 08th 2021
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      he's probably too arrogant and stupid to use that account
Jan 08th 2021
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      Donald Trump is a rapist and sexual predator, he doesn't take no
Jan 08th 2021
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           you're right
Jan 09th 2021
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      He tried it and they blocked that too lol.
Jan 08th 2021
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           Wait lolll his digital director tried to let him use his account and
Jan 08th 2021
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im old enough to remember when lib podcast bros clowed kamala.
Jan 08th 2021
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He’s gonna be on MySpace by himself tonight
Jan 08th 2021
29
Lolsmh
Jan 08th 2021
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you can no longer get Parlor on android.
Jan 08th 2021
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RE: you can no longer get Parlor on android.
Jan 09th 2021
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Shooing them off of Reddit, Twitter etc & onto their own domaines
Jan 09th 2021
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      Deplatforming works. It always has.
Jan 09th 2021
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      RE: Deplatforming works. It always has.
Jan 09th 2021
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           At what rate is Alex Jones’ audience growing?
Jan 09th 2021
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      see this is the dumb shit.
Jan 09th 2021
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android isn't the big one because you can sideload
Jan 09th 2021
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      my guess is that very few of those numb skulls know
Jan 09th 2021
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           t's simple enough that they can walk each other through it
Jan 09th 2021
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                I know. I worked in device management for years.
Jan 09th 2021
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                     oh no doubt
Jan 09th 2021
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bro acted exactly like certain people have when they got banned here
Jan 09th 2021
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LMAO!
Jan 09th 2021
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lol nigga logged into all his aliases.
Jan 09th 2021
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Hahahaha
Jan 09th 2021
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Putin needs to drop that pee tape NOW
Jan 09th 2021
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Yoooooo that would be the perfect ending to this.
Jan 09th 2021
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Amazon is dropping Parler from AWS
Jan 09th 2021
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Might be an unpopular opinion, but I kinda think "deplatforming" will
Jan 09th 2021
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It’s actually the perfect way to infiltrate and trap them
Jan 09th 2021
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one of the worst things abt 45 is he made these people think they matter
Jan 09th 2021
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Right. I mean look/listen to this pep talk Bannon gave them
Jan 09th 2021
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Oh my god wtf.
Jan 09th 2021
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man, you want to really wtf, read the comments
Jan 09th 2021
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Yeah, Bannon's dangerous because he's not stupid
Jan 09th 2021
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I saw a Reddit comment about wanting to live to see 2121
Jan 10th 2021
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      LMAO
Jan 10th 2021
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Hope you're right. Tbh,I've actually read that the NSA can fingerprint
Jan 09th 2021
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except he doesn't want any of that.
Jan 09th 2021
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      Well, now that he's banned and soon to be impeached/booted from office
Jan 09th 2021
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it really doesn't matter where they are
Jan 09th 2021
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it's not an unpopular view, it's just an uneducated and incorrect one
Jan 09th 2021
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It's a cordon sanitaire.
Jan 10th 2021
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      I hear ya. Let's hope so
Jan 10th 2021
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           And I hear you on the scepticism.
Jan 10th 2021
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Aws is taking parlor down.
Jan 09th 2021
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I was snarky earlier, but this really does hit Dipshit where it hurts
Jan 10th 2021
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I think it hurts him, but it remains to be seen whether "deplatforming"
Jan 10th 2021
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      i hear you but trump ain't hitler or oswald mosley
Jan 10th 2021
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      I think most of what you've said here kind of reinforces my point tho
Jan 10th 2021
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           i think part of the problem is mainstreaming these people tho
Jan 10th 2021
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      this is the dumbest shit
Jan 10th 2021
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           I try to avoid you when you froth at the mouth like this,
Jan 10th 2021
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dude hasn't even gone on tv since they took his twitter away
Jan 10th 2021
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it's almost like he's dead
Jan 10th 2021
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it's weird, but he very clearly understands social media's impact
Jan 10th 2021
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      Haberman wrote on this today:
Jan 10th 2021
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      he's always been good at marketing himself.
Jan 11th 2021
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he is supposedly having a rally in Texas tomorrow
Jan 11th 2021
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Stripe no longer processing payments for Trump Campaign (swipe)
Jan 10th 2021
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Twitter just banned Clammy Davis, Jr.
Jan 10th 2021
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CashApp dropped him/ on The 'gram begging to get money for security
Jan 10th 2021
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lol that nigga do keep a mean conk.
Jan 10th 2021
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      That shit starts looking real rough in the holding tank though
Jan 10th 2021
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LAbeathustla
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1. "political pandering... fuckboyberg knows ..."
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all the committees that are up his ass will be Dem lead now....

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be about it or be without it

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Reeq
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2. "andddd dems wont do shit."
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aint nobody scared of these spineless dems investigating them lol.

zuckerberg (and republican operative joel kaplan who serves as the vp of global public policy) are doing this because trump is making the (optical) republican party look bad right now.

theyve created unique/privileged exemptions in their policy and even reversed disciplinary decisions by lower staff to give right wing folks a pass on their behavior. they even changed their entire news feed algorithm because it wasnt promoting right wing outlets enough.

i mean...they listed breitbart as the trusted/verified news partner and allowed the daily caller (tucker carlsons outlet) to be a *fact check* partner.

while zuckerberg was caught in mic trashing elizabeth warren...he was having private dinners with trump and ben shapiro.

they dont give a fuck about anything other than protecting the republican party.

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3. "banned from Facebook. Still not banned from nuclear codes"
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23. "that part."
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i feel like if you're successfully impeached, that should lessen your power, even if you're not removed.

d

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Trinity444
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4. "the indefinite part? "
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how does that work up against constitutional rights?

  

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6. "consititutional right to post on facebook?"
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tariqhu
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7. "lol"
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Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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Trinity444
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8. "the free speech part..."
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isn’t it somehow tied in?

  

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10. "Nobody is stopping Trump from speaking"
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He was also free to say what he wanted on Facebook. But when you say what you want on a private platform you risk consequences, especially when what you say goes against the terms of services you agreed to when signing up.

In general people mix up freedom of speech with freedom of consequence.

  

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11. "^"
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>He was also free to say what he wanted on Facebook. But when
>you say what you want on a private platform you risk
>consequences, especially when what you say goes against the
>terms of services you agreed to when signing up.
>
>In general people mix up freedom of speech with freedom of
>consequence.

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12. "Ok. I’ve never used Facebook..."
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so I don’t know too much about it. what’s this stuff about 1st amendment right and the govt beef then?

  

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tariqhu
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13. "that amendment isn't for every forum or circumstance."
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hence why you can't say bomb on a plane. gotta follow certain rules.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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15. "why did Zuckerberg have to go before a senate committee? "
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the CEO of Twitter too, right?

  

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tariqhu
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16. "financial stuff and political ads"
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Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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18. "thanks..."
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21. "no problem"
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Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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31. "It’s bullshit"
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Twitter is a private company they can ban whoever they want.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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14. "Congress shall make no law abridging freedom of speech. "
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That's what the first amendment says:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

This has to do with the government creating laws that curtails your right to free speech.

Freedom of speech isn't a right to a particular platform on which to speak.

Much like OKP, despite the repeated protests of certain people, we don't a right to post or even to membership itself. These things can be revoked without notice, for any reason, or no reason at all, and it still doesn't infringe on our right to free speech.

  

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9. "same way it works for everybody else."
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its a privately owned platform. they decide the rules.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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5. "Is Trump on Parler going ham? "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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39. "be careful if you hear he is"
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the thing about parler is that verified accounts can (or at least could) change their names, so it's easy for someone to pretend they're him
www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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17. "Several years late and several billion dollars short"
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I'm sure Zuckerberg made sure all those Trump campaign ad checks cleared first.

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19. "Yep. The damage is done."
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20. "lulz"
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>I'm sure Zuckerberg made sure all those Trump campaign ad
>checks cleared first.

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22. "yeah, kinda pointless."
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Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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24. ""Bet." -Twitter"
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25. "I mean, he could just use press conferences/press releases..."
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...like any other "normal" president. But this Dipshit obviously isn't normal so he's going to whine like a little bitch about how it's censorship.

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26. "He also still has the @potus account"
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tariqhu
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27. "he's probably too arrogant and stupid to use that account"
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since it doesn't include his name.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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33. "Donald Trump is a rapist and sexual predator, he doesn't take no"
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for an answer

https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1347718582579314695?s=20

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36. "you're right"
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Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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34. "He tried it and they blocked that too lol."
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35. "Wait lolll his digital director tried to let him use his account and"
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https://twitter.com/jdiamond1/status/1347741119434649603?s=27

I'm crying.

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28. "im old enough to remember when lib podcast bros clowed kamala."
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErP37JpXcAI-6_9?format=jpg&name=medium

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29. "He’s gonna be on MySpace by himself tonight "
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Gonna have to fill his top 8 with Tom taking up every spot.

  

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30. "Lolsmh"
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http://twitter.com/barronjohn1946/status/1347694753786200064?s=21

  

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32. "you can no longer get Parlor on android."
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it only took a few white lives lost for these tech companies to see that allowing him and his ilk to say dumb shit was a bad idea.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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37. "RE: you can no longer get Parlor on android."
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>it only took a few white lives lost for these tech companies
>to see that allowing him and his ilk to say dumb shit was a
>bad idea.
>
>

Parlor was valuable. Folks dumb enough to share their pure thoughts and intentions on there were a godsend. Now, where are these same conversations going to be happening?

  

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44. "Shooing them off of Reddit, Twitter etc & onto their own domaines"
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Doesn't necessarily sound like the move tbh

Isn't it better that these people are somewhat under watchful eyes of moderators and the likes rather than have them going cuckoo and planning to storm more federal buildings in their own weird-ass chatrooms?

  

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45. "Deplatforming works. It always has. "
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51. "RE: Deplatforming works. It always has. "
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>

I wonder if the damage is done. Like are people now accustomed to seeking/finding validation for their thoughts and whims? Won’t people always find or create the venues to collectivize? Or will some amount of inconvenience force folks to collect locally in smaller groups? I’m skeptical because the innanet makes getting together far too easy. There’s so many apps. So many ways to throw an IP/do some amount of hiding.

And shit, some of these folks are so in love with themselves and what they’re doing that they aren’t even trying to hide.

  

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52. "At what rate is Alex Jones’ audience growing?"
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55. "see this is the dumb shit."
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and you know it's dumb shit because of how hard these moherfuckers fight to stay on mainstream pltforms


they understand what bambino won't admit.

what the platform givs them is not the ability to post, it's the algorithm and connectedness that spreads the post.

these sites are the amplifier for the message.

without it, they have no way to reach new people because nobody is sticking around parler if that's where they gotta go for their first taste

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38. "android isn't the big one because you can sideload"
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(and with either you can still install it as a web app, but these losers hate the word progressive)

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48. "my guess is that very few of those numb skulls know"
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what that is. apple should be doing it soon.

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49. "t's simple enough that they can walk each other through it"
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people with no technical skill have been rooting iphones for years, why bc they want to

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58. "I know. I worked in device management for years. "
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not saying it's difficult or a game changer. still a good step.

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59. "oh no doubt"
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keeping that shit off of the algorithm and making it harder is the right thing to do

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40. "bro acted exactly like certain people have when they got banned here"
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41. "LMAO!"
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43. "lol nigga logged into all his aliases."
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46. "Hahahaha"
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47. "Yoooooo that would be the perfect ending to this."
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50. "Amazon is dropping Parler from AWS"
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53. "Might be an unpopular opinion, but I kinda think "deplatforming" will"
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ultimately prove a bit ineffective *shrug* We'll see tho.

For one, the most insurgent members of his base already thrive in the underbelly of the internet. *Some* may maintain presence in these mainstream venues (i.e. fb, tw, ig), but the real bulk of their organizing, plotting, information sharing, indoctrinating and whatever else occurs in places like 8chan/8kun, telegram, gab, parler, spreely etc (eg. https://www.bellingcat.com/news/americas/2021/01/05/how-the-insurgent-and-maga-right-are-being-welded-together-on-the-streets-of-washington-d-c/)... that's where DTs like Dylan roof and the ChristChurch shooter in NZ posted their views, manifestos, etc before carrying out their attacks. That's where the Q posts started and Qanon emerged. And that's where a lot of chatter about Jan 6 was going down.

So I'm skeptical of whether "deplatforming" 45 in the mainstream sense would temper his influence with dangerous actors. I think it might just push it further underground, where the activity has already been thriving outside of regular folks' (and mainstream media's) purview.

Additionally, I think losing access to mainstream platforms simply presents an opportunity for him/that family to harness his current support (which is probably the highest it will ever be but tanking quickly) and create his *own* platform (probably subscription-based). I also think it's possible he might actually try to flee the US before his term ends, and thus wouldn't be surprised if he basically went full bin laden and started up some all-american hate domain while in exile where he can continue communicating with his base and extracting validation and money from them, in exchange for giving them the space to say and plan whatever the fuck they want. Regardless of whether he flees into exile or not, I'm thinking such a platform would pretty much *have* to be hosted internationally, in some jurisdiction that wouldn't care (and likely even encourages) destabilizing the US (eg. Russia), and I don't think people still riding with him at this point would gaf about having to download tor just to access such a community.

So ya. I agree it's kinda whatever, it's kinda late, and I also wonder whether "deplatforming" just accelerates that family's descent to the right wing dark web underworld they were barrelling towards anyway. Hope I'm wrong tho.


>orange has been banned from FB and IG. at least for the last
>few days of his term.
>
>does he even use those platforms? and why just now? will
>twitter follow suit. not that I disagree with the move, but
>this is long overdue. and too late.

  

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54. "It’s actually the perfect way to infiltrate and trap them "
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They think they’re all alone in their own little world and nobody else is reading and watching, and suddenly you’ve got their plans.....maybe even their names and locations, and people are getting knocks on their front doors from law enforcement, and plans are being foiled.

  

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56. "one of the worst things abt 45 is he made these people think they matter"
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weirdos and incels and proud racists who generally just hung out on 4chan, stormfront, youtube comment sections. sure they matter in that some of them are dangerous but they never deserved some kind of seat at the table. But they not only got that, they got the white house, and now they're emboldened as fuck. This obviously exposed a lot of "mainstream" folks in the process, but generally these roaches need to go back to their crevices.

I'm not that comfortable with deplatforming in general but if anyone needs it its him. He thrives so much on attention, i don't think going underground, even on parler or his own platform is gonna cut it for his need for attention. this is torture for him.

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63. "Right. I mean look/listen to this pep talk Bannon gave them "
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>weirdos and incels and proud racists who generally just hung
>out on 4chan, stormfront, youtube comment sections. sure they
>matter in that some of them are dangerous but they never
>deserved some kind of seat at the table. But they not only got
>that, they got the white house, and now they're emboldened as
>fuck.

on his podcast right after the election:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQlW8Uvz6D0

That is some intergenerational jedi mind trick propaganda shit right there. Comparing fighting for 45 to storming the beaches of Normandy? That they owe it to their ancestors? Whoa.


>
>I'm not that comfortable with deplatforming in general but if
>anyone needs it its him. He thrives so much on attention, i
>don't think going underground, even on parler or his own
>platform is gonna cut it for his need for attention. this is
>torture for him.
>

I can see this, and I hope you're right.

  

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64. "Oh my god wtf."
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>on his podcast right after the election:
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQlW8Uvz6D0
>
>That is some intergenerational jedi mind trick propaganda shit
>right there. Comparing fighting for 45 to storming the beaches
>of Normandy? That they owe it to their ancestors? Whoa.

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68. "man, you want to really wtf, read the comments"
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>>on his podcast right after the election:
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>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQlW8Uvz6D0
>>
>>That is some intergenerational jedi mind trick propaganda
>shit
>>right there. Comparing fighting for 45 to storming the
>beaches
>>of Normandy? That they owe it to their ancestors? Whoa.

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67. "Yeah, Bannon's dangerous because he's not stupid"
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he knows exactly what to feed these people

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83. "I saw a Reddit comment about wanting to live to see 2121"
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So they can attend that generation's version of civil war reenactments in which octogenarians are dressed up as randomly tattooed, neckbearded incels with "true to life" cum stains on their t-shirts and hats like this HENTAI one and I can't stop thinking about it.


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85. "LMAO"
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>So they can attend that generation's version of civil war
>reenactments in which octogenarians are dressed up as randomly
>tattooed, neckbearded incels with "true to life" cum stains on
>their t-shirts and hats like this HENTAI one and I can't stop
>thinking about it.
>
>
>https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81HqVjd5tVL._AC_UL1500_.jpg

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57. "Hope you're right. Tbh,I've actually read that the NSA can fingerprint "
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dark web users a lot easier *because* such a small percentage of internet users utilze the web that way in the first place. So I guess their methods kind of corroborate your point.

But only if they start to take these people seriously as a threat to national security.

I'm sure 45 could care less tho. He'd probably bask in that level of infamy and surveillance. Especially if he flees somewhere that wouldn't extradite for shit.

Ugh this is like watching a villain genesis story in real-time. Hope he just takes his historic L and sulks out his remaining days. Seems unlikely tho.



  

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61. "except he doesn't want any of that."
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he wants to live in the mainstream

he does not want to be on parler with those motherfuckers.

he wants to be on Twitter with all the other celebrities.

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65. "Well, now that he's banned and soon to be impeached/booted from office"
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I guess we'll see what he does won't we.


I don't disagree that he's an attention-craving narcissist, I just think craven self-preservation might prevail.

And I think he'd take being a villain in exile with an audience of a few million, over remaining on US soil to be an incarcerated traitor in mainstream headlines everyday for an audience of 300 million.

It's not like any of us know this man tho, so maybe both of us are wrong.

  

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62. "it really doesn't matter where they are"
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they're easy to catch and barely hiding at all

the only reason they don't get rounded up faster is because law enforcement refuses to make them a priority because of the politics.

you saw it with ISIS. it was not hard to figure out which accounts were theirs and get them off or trace them back.

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60. "it's not an unpopular view, it's just an uneducated and incorrect one"
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lots of people think what you think.

they're just either liars or idiots.

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70. "It's a cordon sanitaire."
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It used to be mainstream political practice in Europe until people forgot how World War II started and neoliberalist principles (or the lack of guiding principles other than economic growth, really) took over politics.

Basically it boils down to acknowledging and more or less accepting that fascism is endemic to the populations of modern nations (I don't know if this is necessarily true), but containing it in its own bubble, where it can do relatively little harm. Rightwing extremist parties were excluded from political decision making, shunned by media, and generally viewed as an annoyance at the edge of your vision.

It cuts extremists off from society, which makes it harder for them to recruit new people into their fold.

I think such strategies can work if at the same time there is a strong crackdown on illegal extremist activity, and policies are in place to prevent disenfranchisement of large swaths of the population, so people don't go looking for answers outside of the accepted political parameters.

It needs a different approach thanks to the decentralization of media made possible by the internet, and the role of the modern commercial press needs to be examined as well, but judging from the measures taken right now, people are at least willing to entertain the possibility that not all politics deserve equal treatment.

It's not going to stop the violence right away (things were allowed to escalate for way too long for the genie to quickly go back into the bottle), but I'm certain this will cut off a large part of the lifeblood of modern fascist organizing.

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72. "I hear ya. Let's hope so"
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73. "And I hear you on the scepticism."
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Global society hasn't exactly reacted adequately to this stuff, in recent history or before.

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66. "Aws is taking parlor down."
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If they can’t get another service provider for their servers, it’s a wrap.

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69. "I was snarky earlier, but this really does hit Dipshit where it hurts"
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As we know, he was obsessed with Twitter and the millions following. As someone obsessed with being loved, his account was "proof" of it. Like RJ said above, he's not someone who wants to operate in the spotlight. He's a self-promoter and a star fucker, and has no interest in being de-platformed. Him losing all his unfettered, largely uncensored ability to say whatever he wants whenever he wants is one of his worst nightmares.

Yeah, they took too long to do it, but it wouldn't have stuck if they'd done it a couple of years ago. Now there's blood in the water.

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71. "I think it hurts him, but it remains to be seen whether "deplatforming""
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him (which I put in quotation marks because he's only being banned in the mainstream sense) could have effectively prevented what happened on Jan 6 or prevent future incidents.

His ego and his influence are two very different parameters, imho.

If the goal is to embarrass him and starve him of attention, then of course banning him from mainstream venues where he has the largest audiences will have the desired effect. But if the goal is to reduce the likelihood of future insurgencies/attacks resulting from Trumpism, I don't actually think these bans change much. Twitter was never his mob's center of gravity.

I mean, look how quickly thedonald.win reappeared after they were booted off reddit. Furthermore, only he is being deplatformed not his supporters. So the link between their underworld and mainstream venues remains intact. All he needs is another method to communicate with them, and they could amplify him just the same.

So it kinda just feels like a parent shutting off the house's wi-fi at night, thinking it'll stop their kid from chatting online with their friends... not realizing they can just do it from their phones. To me anyway. I do hope I'm wrong tho.

  

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74. "i hear you but trump ain't hitler or oswald mosley"
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in that his racism isn't what drives him in the same way it drives many of his followers. Trump only has one value and that's Trump. he only even likes his followers because they love him. So starve the beast is probably the best way to neutralize *him*.

But yeah, this stuff isn't going away, and while the republican party has always hid their racism behind slogans and dog whistles, he's made it more acceptable to come out of the cracks. We see the numbers of cops and ex-military and even lawmakers who were part of this capitol storm.

And the canned response to this insurrection even from casual trump voters is 'yeah it was wrong but what about antifa and blm?', I figure soon enough the ban will settle in as just another example of cancel culture run amok ("if they can cancel the president.."), and if the election had a do over next week, the results would probably be the same

So my bigger fear is the blueprint is there. the same way Trump watched Sara Palin and saw a lane, there's definitely an in for the person who's charismatic and willing enough to harness all this, but also not an imbecile like Palin or Trump

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75. "I think most of what you've said here kind of reinforces my point tho"
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>
>But yeah, this stuff isn't going away, and while the
>republican party has always hid their racism behind slogans
>and dog whistles, he's made it more acceptable to come out of
>the cracks. We see the numbers of cops and ex-military and
>even lawmakers who were part of this capitol storm.
>
>And the canned response to this insurrection even from casual
>trump voters is 'yeah it was wrong but what about antifa and
>blm?', I figure soon enough the ban will settle in as just
>another example of cancel culture run amok ("if they can
>cancel the president.."), and if the election had a do over
>next week, the results would probably be the same
>
>So my bigger fear is the blueprint is there. the same way
>Trump watched Sara Palin and saw a lane, there's definitely an
>in for the person who's charismatic and willing enough to
>harness all this, but also not an imbecile like Palin or
>Trump
>

^Right. So this is why I think banning *just him* from the mainstream venues where these insurgents don't even spend the majority of their time is kind of shrugworthy. That's all. Like you said, the blueprint is there... and their comms infrastructure and loose organization of little groups remains intact. 70M Americans voted for 45 and polling shows an estimated half (!!) of them actually support the insurrection that took place on Jan 6 (https://www.newsweek.com/45-percent-republican-voters-support-storming-capitol-1559662). Then there were 45s repeated statements that "this is only the beginning" and "they won't be disrespected" etc etc.

All I'm saying is I bet he still finds a way to put a battery in their backs, even if intermittently, and it wouldn't be that hard. These people are already organized underground and he's like their Bernie. First it was Charlottesville, then they stormed the Capitol. If you guys want to sleep sound at night believing a deleted twitter acct was all that stood in the way of them trying something bigger and deadlier next time tho, feel free. lol

  

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76. "i think part of the problem is mainstreaming these people tho"
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part of why half (its probably more) of the people who voted for him support the insurrection is because he's already the president which makes it damn near impossible to treat him like just a like a joke or a fringe figure.

between the media showering him with attention, and republicans being cowards, someone who should have never left the margins got to the highest office in the land.

i mean maybe you're right and its too late but it needs to be pounded into people's heads (in this case by extraction/censoring, however you want to describe it) that this kind of shit isn't normal, because i think most people are kinda hard wired to think if its mainstream it is.

all that said, i'm pretty uncomfortable with deplatforming as a tool because i don't know where its gonna lead ultimately.

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82. "this is the dumbest shit"
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since deplatforming isn't the same as literally murdering someone, it has no point.

yes the donald reformed off of reddit.


but how much did it grow after that


or did it shrink


we know it shrunk significantly.




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88. "I try to avoid you when you froth at the mouth like this,"
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but you really don't make any sense here.

Log off dude lol

  

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77. "dude hasn't even gone on tv since they took his twitter away"
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he is HURT

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80. "it's almost like he's dead"
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it's weird

and good

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81. "it's weird, but he very clearly understands social media's impact"
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more than so many people

despite being a dumbass generally

he's intuitive enough to pick up on how he can use tweets to steer the conversation

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84. "Haberman wrote on this today:"
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/10/us/politics/trump-twitter.html?searchResultPosition=14

"He spent the first weekend of his presidency without his Twitter account cycling through fury and acceptance, ultimately telling people he was fine without it. He maintained that being “silenced” would infuriate his supporters."

"And his adventures in the White House briefing room generally did not go well and revealed the limits of his grasp of policy or current events. One Trump adviser was blunt, saying that the president did not like most aspects of his job, and that included being asked questions for which he did not know the answers.

So when Mr. Trump went to the briefing room for weeks in the spring to discuss the coronavirus, advisers said, he liked the visual aspects of his performance but not the reality of having a back and forth that led to him being condemned and ridiculed for his dangerous statements about fighting the virus with bleach and light and his fact-free assertions about everything getting better.

Twitter became a stage he could manage more tightly."

"Mr. Trump’s White House aides said he loved tweeting and then watching the chyrons on cable news channels quickly change in response. For a septuagenarian whose closest allies and aides say often exhibits the emotional development of a preteen, and for whom attention has been a narcotic, the instant gratification of his tweets was hard to match."


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90. "he's always been good at marketing himself."
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the presidency gave him even more resources to do so.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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91. "he is supposedly having a rally in Texas tomorrow"
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https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2021/01/10/trumps-farewell-tour-includes-border-wall-stop-at-alamo-texas-on-tuesday/

Dallas News is calling it a farewell tour.

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78. "Stripe no longer processing payments for Trump Campaign (swipe)"
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/stripe-stops-processing-payments-for-trump-campaign-website-11610319116

Stripe Stops Processing Payments for Trump Campaign Website
Financial-technology company’s move follows last week’s riot at the Capitol

Stripe Inc. will no longer process payments for President Trump’s campaign website following last week’s riot at the Capitol, according to people familiar with the matter.

The financial-technology company handles card payments for millions of online businesses and e-commerce platforms, including Mr. Trump’s campaign website and online fundraising apparatus. Stripe is cutting off the president’s campaign account for violating its policies against encouraging violence, the people said.

Stripe asks users to agree that they won’t accept payments for “high risk” activities, including for any business or organization that “engages in, encourages, promotes or celebrates unlawful violence or physical harm to persons or property,” according to its website.

Spokespeople for the Trump campaign didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.

A number of companies have cut ties with Mr. Trump’s since Wednesday’s attack, which left five people dead. Twitter Inc. TWTR -1.62% on Friday banned Mr. Trump’s personal account from its platform, citing a risk of further incitement of violence, while Canadian e-commerce company Shopify Inc. took stores run by Mr. Trump’s business and campaign offline. Some political action committees are also halting donations to Republican lawmakers who objected to President-elect Joe Biden’s Electoral College win after supporters of Mr. Trump stormed the Capitol.

After the election, Mr. Trump’s campaign launched a fundraising blitz to raise money for legal battles challenging Mr. Biden’s victory in several states. The effort brought in hundreds of millions of dollars for Mr. Trump’s political committees and the Republican party.

Write to AnnaMaria Andriotis at annamaria.andriotis@wsj.com, Peter Rudegeair at Peter.Rudegeair@wsj.com and Emily Glazer at emily.glazer@wsj.com

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79. "Twitter just banned Clammy Davis, Jr. "
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aka Ali Alexander one of the principle organizers of Stop the Steal march.

I can't wait for the day when they run out of use for him or upgrade to the new model.

"Regardless if you listen to me, in the end we'll see."
-Cee-Lo

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86. "CashApp dropped him/ on The 'gram begging to get money for security"
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It was all good just a week ago.

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87. "lol that nigga do keep a mean conk."
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fried. dyed, and laid to the side...

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89. "That shit starts looking real rough in the holding tank though"
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peep his mugshots. Looking rough, rugged, and raw.

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