there can NEVER EVER be any doubt ever again that Trump/Kushner/Manafort/Flynn et al were Assets for the Kremlin. LIKE NONE

there are multiple articles about the hack...

The Guardian: US scrambling to understand fallout of suspected Russia hack
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/dec/18/us-russia-hack-cyber-attack-federal-agencies-congress

NPR: What We Know About Russia's Alleged Hack Of The U.S. Government And Tech Companies
https://www.npr.org/2020/12/15/946776718/u-s-scrambles-to-understand-major-computer-hack-but-says-little

CNBC:Suspected Russian hack is much worse than first feared: Here’s what you need to know
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/18/suspected-russian-hack-on-us-is-much-worse-than-first-feared.html


THIS is why Putin needed Trump to undermine all levels of government by appointing acting department heads and rampant understaffing...they've been accessing shit for up to NINE MONTHS....for the entire time the Trump admin has been purposely bungling the virus mitigation...the multiple phone calls to Putin...jesus.. There has never been a breach like this...you're dying of fucking cancer post haste if you've had it for 9 months before being diagnosed

this is bad. mainly because we still don't yet know Putin's endgame.

Modern warfare is cyber warfare..make no mistake, this is war. The entire Trump presidency has been a 4 year long terrorist attack.

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"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshellyMod

like joe bidens deputy chief of staff using a naughty word and jill biden not being an actual medical doctor.

seriously our media is severely broken.

we have the biggest govt hack in history (including the agency that manages our nuclear stockpile) and the president openly considering a declaration of martial law to subvert a democratic election...and the media chooses to report breathlessly about bullshit that has zero tangible effect on anyones life.

people just don't understand how a comprised & destabilized us government threatens people at every walk of life, around the whole world...
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"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly

which is very very different than "hacking the US Government".
And there's plenty of doubt about who exactly did it, in the articles you shared.

this is like saying an online retailer didnt get hacked. just the linux kernel the servers were running on or the shopify cms got hacked.

they got access to govt info. the govt got hacked.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

from one of the articles above:

"The hackers attached their malware to a software update from SolarWinds, a company based in Austin, Texas. Many federal agencies and thousands of companies worldwide use SolarWinds' Orion software to monitor their computer networks.

SolarWinds says that nearly 18,000 of its customers — in the government and the private sector — received the tainted software update from March to June of this year."

So saying the "government got hacked by russia" is pretty sensationalist.

This *should be* seen as a massive disaster for SolarWinds and it's security, or as a critique of gov't reliance on 3rd party vendors for critical infrastructure and not as another brick in the ridiculous 21st Cold War the media keeps trying to peddle.

Plus, none of the articles can conclusively say why/how Russian govt are the leading suspects.

are 2 different things.

thousands had the vulnerability. but only some were specifically targeted to have their information extracted using that vulnerability.

if millions of windows users have malware on their system due to a security hole they didnt patch with an update...they havent been hacked. but if some of them have their files accessed via that security hole...they got hacked.

So far, they targeted FireEye (who noticed the attack), MS and several US agencies.

This was a fairly sophisticated attack, they got into Solar Winds' DevOps and compromised their build process. And they did a good job of making sure that the corrupted SW Orion patch wasn't too noisy.

And while attribution can be tricky, there's not a lot of bad actors out there with this level of skill and who could've dodged detection for this long. FireEye/Mandiant is who folks bring in when they've been breached...and the bad actors were in their systems (and lifted some red team tools) for a minute.

Espionage didn't go away with the Cold War...

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And yeah, if a single company has a virtual monopoly on such a crucial service in the US...then hacking that company's software will be pretty effective.

The size of the breach is still being unpacked, so to say that only MS and the government has been targeted is not accurate.

If anyone else (important) was popped, they would have said something by now. It's possible that large research universities could be using Solar Winds' Orion, so it'll be interesting to see if any information comes from that sector.

>And yeah, if a single company has a virtual monopoly on such
>a crucial service in the US...then hacking that company's
>software will be pretty effective.
>
>The size of the breach is still being unpacked, so to say that
>only MS and the government has been targeted is not accurate.

Which is why I said those ever so important words, "so far". (Not that I said only MS and the government were targeted.

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way more.

This is apparently from the WSJs own independent research:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/solarwinds-hack-victims-from-tech-companies-to-a-hospital-and-university-11608548402

"The Journal identified infected computers at two dozen organizations that installed tainted network monitoring software called SolarWinds Orion that allowed the hackers in via a covertly inserted backdoor. It gave them potential access to much sensitive corporate and personal data.

Among them: technology giant Cisco Systems Inc., chip makers Intel Corp. and Nvidia Corp. , accounting firm Deloitte LLP, cloud-computing software maker VMware Inc. and Belkin International Inc., which sells home and office Wi-Fi routers and networking gear under the LinkSys and Belkin brands. The attackers also had access to the California Department of State Hospitals and Kent State University."

So yes, they can tell if someone is infected, but just because folks are phoning home doesn't mean that there is/was interest in them.

Once FireEye blew the whistle on the campaign, it would be foolish for anyone to continue whatever they were doing.

We probably won't hear directly anything on the Fed side...but anyone else who saw their systems rummaged through will most likely say something...especially publicly traded companies. They have to disclose stuff like this (FireEye immediately released an 8-K).

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werent modified in 2016.

the official story is that several state/county voter databases, political org repositories, and machine vendor networks were breached by arguably the most sophisticated/dedicated foreign intelligence hackers in the world...and they just window shopped and went home?

the ga state election system data was kept in some room at kennesaw state and accessed remotely via basic url (while various administration credentials were stored in plain text on the server) by some part time security analyst in the states. and the disk image given to the fbi had event logs that only went back to 2 days *after* trump was elected.

but russia didnt take advantage of bush league security like this that they could have easily had a field day with?

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Literally the first sentence of the CNBC article

"The scale of a sophisticated cyberattack on the U.S. government that was unearthed this week is much bigger than first anticipated. "


The first paragraph of the NPR article

"A massive computer breach allowed hackers to spend months exploring numerous U.S. government networks and private companies' systems around the world. Industry experts say a country mounted the complex hack — and government officials say Russia is responsible."


I don't think you read anything.

Do you have any other sources?

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Yes.

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly

Russia, or our own government?

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And since they have worked hand in hand for the last 4 years ... both.

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isn't that a bit abstract for your average Joe Black in America working a 9-5?

I gotta worry about police, prison, my kids' (mis)education, taxes, mortgage, student loans, Tyler Perry movie hairpieces, etc...

I'm all for having a global mindset, but a Russian intel hack just isn't really scratching my top 10.

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Let me guess, I can have "good day" now, right?

too many other things to be concerned about

Russia, don't know what you're on about like it's a non story.

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military combat?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/13/us/politics/russian-bounties-pompeo.html

The bounty story came and went with a number of unreliable narrators on both sides.

But the only person vehemently denying it is the least reliable person on the planet.

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gain/maintain power globally.

the rise of white nationalism and right wing authoritarianism/extremism in general is influenced/emboldened by russia.

if black people dont care about russia then they need to.

Like own your own shit.

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too many other things to worry about

correct me if i'm wrong but, this has been happening since the
beginning of time. nobody has been able to stop it and now more
people just enable it. what makes this so much more serious or
important? the amount of people enabling??

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new wrappers for some shit

A willing collaboration with an adversary against signed treaties and alliances all to prop up an ideology of not a majority of this country ... that’s not a thing that has happened.

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imma let you rock with that simplistic, binary analysis of deeply complex and intertwined things, though

i don't have the energy for the bullshit today.

d

"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly

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https://soundcloud.com/swageyph/yph-die-with-me

since you're so deep and shit. what solutions do you propose for
these problems?

"I'm smarter than you but I'm also way too smart to even participate in this so just trust me when I say I'm smarter than you."

...aight. You win.

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Let me guess, I can have "good day" now, right?

>"I'm smarter than you but I'm also way too smart to even
>participate in this so just trust me when I say I'm smarter
>than you."

i don't require anyone to trust me. whether or not you agree w/me has ALWAYS been irrelevant to me.

i simply decide when/if imma explain shit.

yesterday, i chose not to.

today is a wash too.

d

My agreement with a complete stranger is irrelevant to said stranger?

You win, again.

But, this is supposed to be a message board and exchange of ideas, and you made a post, so your sudden ambivalence towards people using words to discuss things is a bit confusing.

And you ain't gotta explain shit to me. You don't have the capacity anyway. And that "white" shit don't bother me either. My blackness credentials are unquestionable, and THAT you can trust.

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Let me guess, I can have "good day" now, right?

that makes no sense in the context of this conversation.

and i don't need you to mansplain a message board to me, thanks.

you're confused? and?

d

"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly

You replied by being insulting and disrespectful.

I'm not obsessed with winning, I'm just letting you know that you can have it. Some people need to spread misery in order to feel good about themselves. *shrug*

So, you win. Merry Christmas.

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Let me guess, I can have "good day" now, right?

>You replied by being insulting and disrespectful.

*shrug*
>
>I'm not obsessed with winning, I'm just letting you know that
>you can have it. Some people need to spread misery in order to
>feel good about themselves. *shrug*

not me. i also don't need to coddle your fragile ego to feel good about myself.

i just generally...feel good about myself..and don't base it on what happens w/other people. Try that on, chief.


>So, you win. Merry Christmas.

Nah YOU win. cuz clearly that shit matters to you LOL

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"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly

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Let me guess, I can have "good day" now, right?

"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly

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Let me guess, I can have "good day" now, right?

cheers, luv

d

"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly

In fact you never say shit. You and **** are the same. You whole MO is to not say shit. Cheers back to you.

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Let me guess, I can have "good day" now, right?

in case you haven't noticed, russia's number one weapon is white supremacy

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

and never really has been
Funny seeing all these black folks parrot J Edgar Hoover talking points in fucking 2020

thanks

d

"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly

I get that Russia is attempting to exploit already existing racial divisions in America, but that's like 20 levels removed from common black issues, and, further, it can only be effective because we have (and have always had) anti-black racism right here.

Rayshard Brooks died at the Wendy's in walking distance from my house in ATL. Russia didn't do that. So, yeah, Black America is a different country and we got completely different wars to fight.

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Wouldn't it then stand to reason that the largest influencers of the far right also influence the police?

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Let me guess, I can have "good day" now, right?

Without acknowledging the continuously shifting interconnections of the globe?

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Through the American Revolution, Civil War, both World Wars, the Cold War, civil rights movement, Oprah and Barack Obama, and its still happening.

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>Through the American Revolution, Civil War, both World Wars,
>the Cold War, civil rights movement, Oprah and Barack Obama,
>and its still happening.

Every aspect of the country from the people to the ethos to the actual land mass has been changed and has changed others

I don't disagree with America being an overall shitty place in the current, nor do I disagree with it being historically shitty from its foundings

But the specific ways in which it is shitty matter and at current, it has been decoupling itself from the shittiness of exploitative global capitalism and lurching hard towards rigid global white nationalism ... even above its own financial interests.

That's new.

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So, just because the Trump years have startled y'all into a frenzy doesn't mean any of this is new. These whites been whiting in this manner for the entire history of this nation. Russia hasn't influenced them in any appreciable manner.

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Let me guess, I can have "good day" now, right?

In a post about how the United States government was infiltrated by a foreign adversary for 9 months undetected.

And what the ramifications for that could mean for the Americans that live in this country, including the Black ones.

Your position is that it doesn't affect our lives all that much because historically white individuals have been shitty and will continue to.

And that individuals such as Garrett Rolfe and Devin Brosnan, despite being literally employees of "the State", are so connected to the normality of shitty whiteness that their actions exist outside of any greater context than just being normally shitty white Americans?



Also I'm from and of Texas, so you can save the "yall shook" vibe.

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I'd only add that Foundational Black Americans have no foreign adversaries. We export nothing other than culture, so a foreign nation would have no need to be adversarial with us unless they hate dancing.

As members of the diaspora we have adversaries, sure. I'd argue that the country we live in and pay taxes to is at the top of that list. We got Nelson Mandela locked up (who was supported by Russia), we killed Patrice Lumumba (who was supported by Russia), and we forced Castro into the arms of the Russians.

So, yeah, Russia don't scare me.

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When it's actually the mechanisms of the State that affect our day to day lives more on both a macro and micro scale.

And if those mechanisms divorce themselves from the traditional "everyone gets shat on, Black people get shat on worse" to what it's explicitly been for the last four years which is "non white people get shat on directly and harshly by the State." then our Black lives are measurably affected by these outcomes.

You see it with COVID, the relief bill, student loan debt, food quality, the destruction of HUD, environmental safety, the removal of consent decrees, land grabs ... etc. I can go on.

Joe and Bill down the street may or may not decide to shoot me tomorrow, it's whatever.

But the food that I eat needs to go through quality FDA inspection, my job needs to have COVID protection policies, the air I breathe needs to be free of pollutants, the roads that I drive on need to be safe ... and so on. The government has a hand in nearly every aspect of our lives ... Black lives at that. And it's a child like myopia that allows one to ignore what a government based on explicit white nationalism is doing to a Black life.

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>

Russia has nothing to do with anything that negatively affects Black life in America.
If you think fuckin post-soviet Russia is somehow more of a source of white supremacy in America than fucking AMERICANS and American policy, you're out of your mind.

or a counterpoint.

But "*SIGH* YOU MONKEYS DON'T UNDERSTAND AND I'M MUCH TOO SMART TO ENGAGE WITH YOU"
is a crock of bullshit, on every conceivable level.

so maybe make a post that doesn't have a lie in the subject line?

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

but if that's what y'all hearing, that's on you

debate yourself(esteem)

d

"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly

and that's horseshit. If you're purposely gonna be a cunt, own it.

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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

that's the real issue here..you can't stand it when a woman doesn't behave the way you think she should...

even more reason for me to frustrate the fuck out of you every chance i get.

we love to see it.

d

"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly

You come in here being a bitch and then when you get called on it you want to scream "misogyny" and "mansplaining" and all the buzz words.

But that's all you can do because a cogent thought has never escaped from between your ears.

And your main cosign is from RJCC so, congrats on being on that level.

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Let me guess, I can have "good day" now, right?

waiting for me to satisfy you LOL

dumb, bitch.

what else you got?

d

"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly

The crux of your argument is "nanny nanny boo boo"

You're a child.

And I'm gonna be here until I'm done bitch nigga, you can never run me off of here or anywhere else.

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Let me guess, I can have "good day" now, right?

I guess you feel bold being a white man posting the n word online

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

what does that make you?

if i'm a child, why you wasting your time?

which hand is your pencil dick in, perv?

d

"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly

Just like that dumb shit you said. I'm not Michelle, when you go low, fuck you. So I'm right here with you and still ain't leaving. We'll be children together bitch.

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Let me guess, I can have "good day" now, right?