https://dallas.eater.com/2020/11/30/21726499/true-kitchen-kocktails-dallas-owner-twerking-rant-kevin-kelley-viral-social-media

Poll result (25 votes) Yes, the owner is wrong for shutting down the twerking (3 votes) Vote No. He ain't wrong. (19 votes) Vote Everyone is wrong. (3 votes) Vote

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Is he wrong for not wanting people dancing ON THE FURNITURE? No.
Did he handle the situation in a good way? No.
Is he encouraging people to twerk by choosing the play (or have a dj play) music that folks want to dance to? Yes.
Is he a proponent of respectability politics? Yes.

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"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

JK.

I think I mostly agree with you. I don't think he is wrong for not wanting people to twerk. Probably could have communicated it 'nicer'. I don't think the women are wrong to do it if they were playing the music.

I will differ in that I don't know if its respectability politics when its an all black crowd. I have always had an issue with respectability politics because embedded in it is the notion that we want black people to act a certain way for the sake of not embarrassing us in front of white people which doesn't allow us our own agency when we decide we want to dress and act a certain way.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

religion and class dynamics can be a part of that too.
I wonder if he would have had a problem with people slow dancing... or waltzing or some shit like that. It seems to me that the issue with twerking is about how he perceives that specific type of dancing...
And so I think his comments about opening the place so that black folks could have a "nice place" and "for the culture," to me, show that he thinks twerking is lower class, or not respectable behavior.

Complicated by the fact that they have club nights and a club section.
So basically, he needs to holler at the dj and stfu. Imo.

Edit: and then he makes a comment about twerking, and how is he gonna ask men to respect the women if they aren't "respecting themselves." He can gtfoh with that.

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"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

If the man wants to have a fancy brunch and have people wear tuxedos and gowns and waltz and not twerking, he got a right to it. And maybe that's what other black folk want and they turn out for that. Maybe they don't and the business fails.

What I don't vibe and think is even a bit racist, is to say that somehow being anti-twerking is somehow anti-black people (as expressed by CIPHA below, not necessarily you).

I just don't see how being black means we can't deem certain stuff low class on our own accord (and not to impress white people).


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

if Black middle/upper class "culture" wasn't just rich white culture in Black face. All culture from Black folks is created within poor and working class communities. Black middle and upper class folks just latch on to it and then water it down with their bougie nonsense.

If it's just a straight up restaurant, then yeah he's right. He doesn't need to take the sanctimonious "pull up your pants" position though.

The restaurant has a DJ, so it seems to me that he created an environment for dancing (i.e. twerking). So he needs to figure out what kind of place he wants to run.

the appropriate way to approach that group is with an invite to get their twerk on in the lounge, after they finish their meal...

...but to please refrain from twerking in the main dining area to be respectful of other guests...

I'd be more worried about a dining room full of people not distanced, w/o masks, etc...if that really happened yesterday based on the timestamp of the vid

Lookin' like a superspreader event...twerk on that.

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too bad you cant tell folks to act like they been somewhere before w/o them losing their shit. can't account for most folks not being raised right tho

<--- Big Baller World Order

Unfamiliar with that song and artist, but from the title I'm gonna asume it's twerk music.

Why not play swing jazz, salsa or something similar if he didn't want that energy?

like here

https://www.instagram.com/p/CINyAqGhBHC/?igshid=p0wezdz2rt3w

the idea what did they expect to happen when they played a certain type of music.

I mean we don't HAVE to dance on demand when we hear certain music. Imjustsaying.

My favorite brunch spots use to have DJs and they definitely weren't playing jazz and it can create a nice vibe without folks dancing.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Those ladies didn't *have* to twerk, but probably thought it was cool because of the environment that was set. If the DJ was playing salsa I'd expect to be able to salsa dance to it. I can't get my common on and breakdance to "Breaker's Revenge?" The song is literally telling me to break and say "uh," lol.

Also, I'm assuming dancing was allowed and there was a dancefloor. If they started dancing at their tables or in the aisle then they are dead wrong for that.

>Also, I'm assuming dancing was allowed and there was a
>dancefloor. If they started dancing at their tables or in the
>aisle then they are dead wrong for that.

I agree with you. If the manager opens up a space for dancing, it's a free for all as to what you may get. But if they just thought it was cool to get up and dance in the aisles of this restaurant, then they're way off base.

And people were dancing at there tables and not the dancefloor. Who cares? There was some dancing meant to go on in the spot. You look petty telling people they should move a few feet to be dancing.

If there is no dance floor and it was really just a restaurant, then there is less cause to be dancing.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

just cause you hear your favorite song. There's a time and a place for everything.

IG: amadu_me

"...Whateva, man..." (c) Redman

*DJ plays Cupid Shuffle
*People start Cupid Shuffling

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It probably isn't the time and place for it. But you shouldn't act shocked when you set the environment for something and some people end up living up to it.

we can't even eat outside in LA right now.

as for the twerking thing. he has the right to say no to it. people have the right to not come.

dude's being a bit of a control freak tho. i want a club atmosphere but only the way i want it. not really sure it's good business.

<--- Big Baller World Order

in my head with which stadiums were allowing fans.

it's pretty in line, with exceptions being close states like GA and AZ.

pretty much regular on their social media posts the were the only ones wearing masks

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

this country is way too stupid to not elect him twice

what he IS wrong for:

-cursing out paying customers
- not enforcing social distancing between tables
- yelling unmasked and spreading droplets/aerosols around the room to unmasked patrons
- implying women don't respect themselves when twerking
- treating Black people w/disrespect

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"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

He's doing exactly what white people do, extracting money from black culture but attempting to distance himself from black people.

You opened a restaurant that's clearly trying to be a club. He got a DJ blasting Throw Dat Ass in a Circle. He serving drinks in used Dusse bottles. Bet you anything he got bottle girls in there with sparklers, so he's running a club and pretending its a restaurant.

But now he's mad that somebody was shaking their ass? Fuck him.

If you wanted her off the furniture then tell her that or put her out, but the rest of that respectability politics shit is bullshit.

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Let me guess, I can have "good day" now, right?

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

then I'll be there busting it wide open as soon as this pandemic is over

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Can get the fuck out of my restaurant??? That guy is trash. It’s a way he could discourage twerking in his establishment (as y’all have noted) and not lecture and literally curse out his customers.

I wish everyone in there had said check please at once and left out.

Him cursing them out is just as classless as whoever was twerking, actually it’s far worse.

Makes him look even worse that in the video everyone was just sitting down eating.

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stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

>I wish everyone in there had said check please at once and
>left out.

I could just as easily imagine a scenario where people were glad to say what they were thinking.

I mean we weren't there so its hard to get that type of context but I was wondering what happened to get that dude on 10 to respond that way... besides folks dancing on his glass tables.





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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

listening to a DJ blast THROW DAT ASS IN A CIRCLE at full blast while drinking Hennessey slushies out of Dusse bottles, but also is bothered by women dancing?

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Let me guess, I can have "good day" now, right?

At them. I’m not assuming anything about how everyone felt about the twerking.

NO one goes out to eat to be cursed out by the owner. You assumed here and that’s not even what my reply was about. Which was pretty evident

prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

not saying he is right but he has a right to shame his patrons and lose money just lioe anyone else

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

had to learn that the hard way myself.

Short story:
I got kicked out and banned for 72 hours from a shopping mall when I was a teen from me spouting off at an 'assistant manager' of an arcade inside the mall. This white 'assistant manager, who happened to be a classmate of mine, told me to leave the arcade because I had a bag of food with me. I gave him lip because there were a few other white kids with food (who i KNOW he has seen) in the arcade as well....but he did not tell them to leave. The security came and escorted me and my friend from the mall. Went home to tell my moms and pops and we ALL went back to the mall to speak to the manager. Manager didn't make himself available. Moms contacted her lawyer and after all was said and done, lawyer said there was nothing they could do because the mall was private property. They can tell ANYONE to leave ANYTIME for ANY reason whatsoever. The End.

and I hope he don't backtrack and apologize.




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cultural expression. For so long, there have been restrictions on our culture--they took our languages, our drums, our food--and we've always found a way to experiment and salvage the remnants of the dominant society to create fresh perspectives and inject this bloodless nation with its only true home-bred culture.

To stifle the twerk--in any setting--is to deny the cultural inventiveness and dynamism of black people. This owner is clearly beyond the pale and draped in the flag of respectability politics because to ask black folks to act with "dignity" in the white man's country is really only an attempt to get black folks to act white!

Twerk on!

Everything has been figured out except how to live.

You're putting a whole lot on twerking.
Sometimes dancing is appropriate. Sometimes it's not.

Just like sometimes wearing a t-shirt is a appropriate, and sometimes it's not.

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>To stifle the twerk--in any setting--is to >deny the cultural inventiveness and dynamism >of black people.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>To stifle the twerk--in any setting--is to deny the cultural
>inventiveness and dynamism of black people.

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Days like this I miss Sha Mecca

so i guess the clip in the OP is him coming back to match their energy. i aint mad at him.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CIOo0orh-c1/

In a post on the establishment’s official Instagram, he said, “When the first incidents occurred the guests were politely asked to stop and have respect for themselves and other customers. The guests at issue were at three (3) tables. As this video shows you will see guests spoken to politely and literally begged to stop standing on our furniture and twerking. There are other videos that show much more of the behavior in the following videos, but we do not want to embarrass the guests sitting at those tables.”

He continued to show that before the viral video he politely handled the situation, and also thought of the customers' well-being, and also any other... (the rest is on their site i guess)

<--- Big Baller World Order

If he took issue with them getting busy on the furniture, politely asked them to stop, and they ignored that and kept going, well... they get what they get after that.

There's absolutely no reason he should have to be the good cop over and over and over again, and no good reason that he can't raise the intensity of his request if the first request was ignored.

If you can't abide by the first request, bets are off after that and IMO he's well within bounds to chew their ass out for it.

I just can't clap to the "respect yourself" piece of it.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

You can get the fuck up out of my restaurant

prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

I think he should have comped all their meals an asked them to leave the establishment after his first approach didn't work. That is a financial hit, I know, but it would have been more business-like. Then he should have asked that DJ to play music that fits the environment he is trying to create.

♥ Inescapably Me ♥

"Love is never any better than the lover" Toni Morrison (The Bluest Eye)

his issue is with his DJ

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

Like regardless of location or setting, if they play music it takes over our body. Got it.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

I am NOT getting yapped....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyRqCOEUN0Y


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

You have an establishment that:

Has a club DJ
Blasting club music
Through club speakers
At club levels
Serving club drinks
At club prices
In Dusse cognac bottles (like at the club)

But you get mad when I do some club shit?

Niggas love pretending.

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Let me guess, I can have "good day" now, right?

asked her not to dance on his furniture. It really ain't that hard.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

but the nigga didn't scold the patrons for dancing on the furniture. He scolded them for dancing. He didn't address her specifically, he addressed everybody.

If I go to the club (and I know I'm in the club because, once again, there's a club DJ playing club music at club levels) and nobody is dancing, that don't mean I'm not supposed to dance. It's a fucking club.

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Let me guess, I can have "good day" now, right?

and people keep bringing up the furniture because its part of the story.

so not only do they have to twerk, they also have to do it from the high ground..

maybe they should picket outside his establishment “let them twerk, let them twerk!!”

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

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Let me guess, I can have "good day" now, right?

I don't know where you been the last decade, but if you go to any black brunch there is a good chance that music will blasting the latest hot black music and that doesn't mean you will find people dancing.

In fact, I remember there was this whole social media call out about White Brooklyn Brunch spots to be blasting nothing but like 90s hip-hop to the point its a cliche.





>but the nigga didn't scold the patrons for dancing on the
>furniture. He scolded them for dancing. He didn't address her
>specifically, he addressed everybody.
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>If I go to the club (and I know I'm in the club because, once
>again, there's a club DJ playing club music at club levels)
>and nobody is dancing, that don't mean I'm not supposed to
>dance. It's a fucking club.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

but if I go to a building with a choir stand full of choir members singing gospel music, and a pulpit with a preacher in it, and a bunch of pews and Bibles,

I just might act like I'm in a mutha fuckin church.

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Let me guess, I can have "good day" now, right?

but I agree that there's a time and place for everything

you acting like you don't know what happens when that is played?

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

since they can't help it.

<--- Big Baller World Order

I’m cracking up at people acting like its impossible to not twerk when a certain song gets played.

Ass got a mind of its own.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

don't. Furthermore, I personally would not want to listen to "throw that ass in a circle" as I eat. Doesn't seem like I am the target audience for the establishment though. I had to google Dusse.

♥ Inescapably Me ♥

"Love is never any better than the lover" Toni Morrison (The Bluest Eye)

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

I've lived with plenty of Black people, people who are essentially family.

My wife is Black.

So is her family.

Black friends, coworkers, etc, and we've gone out to restaurants, stores, movies, all that shit.

I don't recall anyone, at any point in time, twerking or even dancing every time a danceable song comes on at a restaurant.

Nobody pulls over to the side of the road to literally drop it likes it's hot when they hear "snoooooooooooooooop!" hits the radio.

I've never been in a store with a black woman who dropped down to get her eagle on next to a rack of Doritos the second she heard Nelly's voice.

But hey, none of that makes me an expert. that anecdotal experience means nothing. I'll defer to your expertise here.

What you're saying here is that if there's twerk music playing, Black people will stop dead in their tracks to shake that thang.

This is certainly testable though, and based on what you're saying....

I can walk up to a random Black person, anywhere, in any setting, pull out a boombox blaring Back That Azz Up, and they WILL in fact back that azz up.

Again, I defer to your expertise here- but I strongly suspect they be mortified, insulted, and, frankly, hurt by such an outlandish display of ignorance and insensitivity.

For that reason, I'll forgo the empirical test, and defer to your expertise. Thanks to you, my knowledge of Black culture now includes the understanding that, if any Black person, anywhere, at any time, and in any setting, hears twerk music, THEY WILL FUCKING TWERK, by god.

Thanks for educating me.

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Let me guess, I can have "good day" now, right?

Because, with few exceptions, most people in this th hread disagree with me consistently, and have for years.

here.

And you try to flip it into a cultural thing besides being in the minority on this one.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

behave a certain way but in certain environments where a DJ is involved a professional DJ literally sets the mood based on the owner/host's directions and they demographics of the crowd. Depending what is happening the dj may calm things down, at other times they will be asked to "hype it up". The same songs may not necessarily be played at a college graduation as at granny's 90th bday or a passing of the bar exam celebration or a noon brunch or a 3pm brunch.

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

comes on is ridiculous.

its def possible to eat and chill.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*