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"Getting "woke" and shit. I need some book recs. "


  

          

Aye yo, I'm talking ear reading and eye reading ya'll. Audiobooks and books.

I'm never not reading somethin'. Lately, I've been thinking about history, black empowerment, economics, policy and politics.


Recent reads:

***'The Color of Money: Black Banks and the Racial Wealth Gap' (8.5 hrs)

Easily 🎤🎤🎤🎤. You ever read some shit and you start feeling like you see the world differently? I had that with this one.

https://www.amazon.com/Color-Money-Black-Racial-Wealth/dp/0674970950


***'Kill All Normies: Online Culture Wars from 4Chan and Tumblr to Trump and the Alt-Right' (4hrs)

You want to know how we got here and what the alt right is? and I don't mean "oh them boys with the tiki torches" - this book goes deep into how we got here from a social media perspective and how we got here from a philosophical+historical perspective


***'Black Rednecks and White Liberals'
Fuckin' don't even read this horseshit. Thomas Sowell is the black guy they can rollout to say "see? you niggers have it fucked up, opportunity is still alive in America"

I made gave it 1 hour before being mad I even tried to be fair with ideas.

*** 'Homo Deus - A Brief History of Tomorrow'
Dense, the thing I got from it is...nothing is real, we're only really in love with symbols - as in, The King merely a representation of what we want to have in a king.

*** 'The Plot to Betray America; How Team Trump Embraced Our Enemies, Compromised Our Security, and How We Can Fix It'

Trump is a certified piece of shit. The end.

Recommended reading for a long drive if you want to have some Trump facts to drop on his fans who deny reality.

***'Know Your Price: Valuing Black Lives and Property in America’s Black Cities'

Essentially, the only color that matter is green is a fucking lie of the devil. Our property, lives and the things we (black people) touch are devalued. I havent read it yet, its next up.


What you got?




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I would start with Cheryl Harris' "Whiteness As Property" (1993)
Nov 09th 2020
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"Woke" to me is more cultural than political/economic. So....
Nov 09th 2020
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Adolph Reed Jr's 1995 "What Are The Drums Saying, Booker?"
Nov 09th 2020
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Yeah, folks think cultural is fluff
Nov 09th 2020
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I meant it in a tongue-in-cheek way.
Nov 09th 2020
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To you and people that like to subvert the term(not saying you are)
Nov 09th 2020
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A start
Nov 09th 2020
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Good post. n/m
Nov 09th 2020
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RE: Getting "woke" and shit. I need some book recs.
Nov 10th 2020
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that second one, that sounds really interesting.
Nov 11th 2020
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Both great books
Nov 19th 2020
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Reading Jazz As Critique by Fumi Okiji
Nov 11th 2020
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Color of money is a great book.
Nov 11th 2020
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i'm reading The Color of Money right now...
Nov 13th 2020
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Right? Its opened up a new area of anger I didnt know I had.
Nov 19th 2020
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Contemporary stuff there, I still think the classics are also vital
Nov 18th 2020
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You're the 2nd person to recommend The Fire Next Time
Nov 19th 2020
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RE: some book recs
Nov 19th 2020
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Man Not is one of the best books I've ever read
Nov 19th 2020
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Just picked up The Man - Not. Thanks for the rec
Nov 19th 2020
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just about finished the man not
Dec 01st 2020
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RE: Getting "woke" and shit. I need some book recs.
Nov 19th 2020
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if you read the Fire Next Time by James Baldwin, you should read
Nov 20th 2020
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RE: Getting "woke" and shit. I need some book recs.
Nov 22nd 2020
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"Conflict Is Not Abuse" by Sarah Shulman
Nov 23rd 2020
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Categorically Unequal - Douglas Massey
Nov 24th 2020
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NPR’s Book Concierge always has good recs
Dec 01st 2020
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Here you go
Dec 02nd 2020
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1. "I would start with Cheryl Harris' "Whiteness As Property" (1993)"
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https://sph.umd.edu/sites/default/files/files/Harris_Whiteness%20as%20Property_106HarvLRev-1.pdf

For a more recent survey of Critical Race Theory, see Melissa Pahruksachart's "The Literature of White Liberalism"

https://bostonreview.net/race/melissa-phruksachart-literature-white-liberalism

Not to mention classics like Franz Fanon's "The Wretched of the Earth," which was adopted into an excellent documentary narrated by Ms. Lauryn Hill called "Concerning Violence" (2015). In terms of Black aesthetics and art, I would recommend Martine Sym's "Afro-Futurist Manifesto."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otUJvQhCjJ0

Hannah Arendt's seminal book, "On Totalitarianism" is a great entry into understanding fascism and pairs well with Sheldon Wolin's concept of inverted totalitarianism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism

For a critique of neo-liberalism, see David Graeber's work on debt and his critique of bullshit jobs.

https://libcom.org/files/__Debt__The_First_5_000_Years.pdf

For something more philosophical on ecology and posthumanism checkout Timothy Morton's 2016 book, "Humanism."

https://epochemagazine.org/a-guide-to-timothy-mortons-humankind-786cec95eccd

  

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2. ""Woke" to me is more cultural than political/economic. So...."
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For that orientation of "woke", bell hooks seems to be the best author.

I only read "Black Looks" back in the early 90's, but I read some articles and stuff from her to know she probably is the main one for "woke"

Greg Tate has "everything but the burden: what White people are taking from Black culture"

  

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4. "Adolph Reed Jr's 1995 "What Are The Drums Saying, Booker?""
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is an interesting take on proto-woke Black public intellectuals that explicitly criticizing this "wokeness" as insufficiently political and unable to rectify economic disparities for all classes of Black people by instead focusing on the few privileged Blacks able to achieve upward social mobility by "translating what the drums say" for white audiences.

https://libcom.org/files/ReedWhatAreTheDrumsSayingBooker.pdf

  

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5. "Yeah, folks think cultural is fluff"
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NYAHHHHH!!!!!!

  

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6. "I meant it in a tongue-in-cheek way. "
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tbh, that term has been burned to death. it died when it was appropriated by right wing circles to reference a conservative's "power level". as in, "spicy is woke" (fuck, 'member spicer?)


ya know, I've not read any bell hooks, might have to look into it.

I wonder if the the historical dialog has been broken or disrupted with the creation and distribution of internet culture which seems to break all cultural norms around social contracts - aka not ok to drop the n-word full stop but it became ok to use it online but then the meaning has adopted several new layers of meaning. SO with that, what becomes of critical race theory of the past 30 years?

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8. "To you and people that like to subvert the term(not saying you are)"
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but they go hand in hand.

I never got the "beef" with the older people in the 60s and 70s between cultural and political "radicals". We so sick and fragmented in thinking.

Culture informs politics literally it's not superficial and relegated to original names, indigenous African clothing and historical facts, names, dates and places.

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3. "A start"
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https://www.amazon.com/Counter-Revolution-1776-Resistance-Origins-America-ebook/dp/B00J8DOMIG

Anything by Gerald Horne is fire tho.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08BWD2XH8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_imm_t1_pnDQFbBBX14HX?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

Marcus Garvey's writings

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0929385225/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_imm_t1_NoDQFbS8V3P54

Almost everything he has called in this book has come to pass.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0140194967/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_imm_t1_sqDQFbP11098J

Too many to name but Some is amazing

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0345902335/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_imm_t1_HrDQFb1JJVZ67

Life changing book.



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7. "Good post. n/m"
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Watch For The Hook
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9. "RE: Getting "woke" and shit. I need some book recs. "
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"They Were Her Property: White Women as Slave Owners in the American South" by Stephanie E. Jones-Rogers

Basically, a history of the OG Karens

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07N8T72TR/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1


"How the Irish Became White" by Noel Ignatiev

https://www.amazon.com/Irish-Became-White-Routledge-Classics/dp/0415963095/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=how+the+irish+became+white&qid=1605033815&s=books&sr=1-1

  

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10. "that second one, that sounds really interesting. "
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it almost sounds like pure uncut gonna-win-this-debate fuel

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18. "Both great books"
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11. "Reading Jazz As Critique by Fumi Okiji"
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More relevant than you might think at a time like this. Theodor Adorno got his freudian take on fascism we are seeing from MAGA world right now pretty spot on, but he had to simplify and strip jazz of its power as a critique / counter to mainstream society at large by painting it as a by-product of late-stage capitalism.

Very dense, it took me an hour and half to read the intro (like 10 pages lol).

"A sustained engagement with Theodor Adorno, Jazz As Critique looks to jazz for ways of understanding the inadequacies of contemporary life. Adorno's writings on jazz are notoriously dismissive. Nevertheless, Adorno does have faith in the critical potential of some musical traditions. Music, he suggests, can provide insight into the controlling, destructive nature of modern society while offering a glimpse of more empathetic and less violent ways of being together in the world. Taking Adorno down a path he did not go, this book calls attention to an alternative sociality made manifest in jazz. In response to writing that tends to portray it as a mirror of American individualism and democracy, Fumi Okiji makes the case for jazz as a model of "gathering in difference."Noting that this mode of subjectivity emerged in response to the distinctive history of black America, she reveals that the music cannot but call the integrity of the world into question.

About the author

Fumi Okiji is Assistant Professor of Women, Gender, Sexuality Studies at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst."

  

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12. "Color of money is a great book. "
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The work of the Equal justice Institute is great at illuminating the true history of racial violence in America.

Not sure what city you live in but if you find a more local history of housing discrimination, school segregation, transportation discrimination, or job discrimination the lines of race and class become even more clear.


The Baltimore area book is Not In My Neighborhood, the Atlanta area book is Race and the shaping of 20th century Atlanta.


America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

  

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13. "i'm reading The Color of Money right now..."
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>***'The Color of Money: Black Banks and the Racial Wealth Gap'
>(8.5 hrs)
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>Easily 🎤🎤🎤🎤. You ever read some shit and you start
>feeling like you see the world differently? I had that with
>this one.

bruh....this shit is just...like wow. I'm only up to chapter 3 and my lid is blown off

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15. "Right? Its opened up a new area of anger I didnt know I had. "
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esp when people look at black people and say "alright but why don't ya'll have IT together tho?"

its also made me look at Killer Mikes banking attempt with increased skepticism

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14. "Contemporary stuff there, I still think the classics are also vital"
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I'll guess that you already The Fire Next Time and probably some other Baldwin stuff but there was a hardbound collection of his essays and shorter works (just a plain white jacket with black print) that was very illuminating and varied.

Fanon's The Wretched of the Earth is still indispensable and recently seems to have come under fire from conservative assholes much in the way that they put Howard Zinn in their crosshairs. That means it is still poignant, relevant and, in my view, essential.

Angela Davis's Are Prisons Obsolete? is a pretty good intro to some of the defunding/abolitionist stuff that is going on now even though it was written like 20 years ago.

One that I think has a wide range of topics explored from fairly hardcore political analysis to keen social insight is a book called Liberalism and the Limits of Power by Juliet A. Williams. It came out around 2005 and really hit the nail squarely in terms of the direction of liberalism and offered some other observations later on about the rise of a sort of preference for simulation and imitation over reality.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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16. "You're the 2nd person to recommend The Fire Next Time"
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Its next once I finish 'know your price'

excellent recommendations here.

'Liberalism and the Limits of Power' sounds right up my alley. Did you ever read 'What's the Matter with Kansas?: How Conservatives Won the Heart of America'?

It sounds like the complimentary take on conservative praxis and how we got here. It's also from 2005

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17. "RE: some book recs"
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The Man-Not by Dr. Tommy J. Curry
(Every Black person should read this book imo, but every Black MALE especially)
In that same vein, there's Black Males Left Behind by Urban Institute Press

When Affirmative Action Was White by Ira Katznelson

Black Americans: The FBI Files by Kenneth O'Reilly

The American Slave Coast by Ned and Constance Sublette

The Rebellious Life of Mrs. Rosa Parks by Jeanne Theoharis

Gerrymandering In America by McGann, Smith, Latner, Keena

Yurugu by Marimba Ani

Pretty much anything by Dr. Amos Wilson

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19. "Man Not is one of the best books I've ever read"
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amazing piece of work.

And the Slave Coast Book is mind-blowing.
Slavery was infintely worse than anything we can imagine. Heart-breaking book

  

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21. "Just picked up The Man - Not. Thanks for the rec"
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26. "just about finished the man not"
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its uh...wow.

its really deep, and it addressed a question I've had about all males/men for a long time

I'm still processing but it was a solid read.

thanks

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20. "RE: Getting "woke" and shit. I need some book recs. "
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Buy the Man-Not by Tommy Curry and read it, immediately. Take your time tho. It's dense, and heavy.

Beyond that:

From Here To Equality by Sandy Darity
The Color Of Law by Richard Rothstein
The Price for Their Pound of Flesh: The Value of the Enslaved, from Womb to Grave, in the Building of a Nation by Daina Berry

^^^reading these in conjunction with the Color Of Money will completely alter your perception of race and economics in America^^^^

Propaganda by Edward Bernays
Quick read, and HUGELY influential in modern life. Dude was a despicable human being, and his rotten ideas are everywhere


The Condemnation of Little B by Elaine Brown
Search & Destroy By Jim Miller
The New Jim Crow by Michelle Alexander
^^^The role that black men play in this culture as boogie men cannot be overstated. These books help unpack why and how this is done.



  

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22. "if you read the Fire Next Time by James Baldwin, you should read"
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The Fire This Time: A New Generation Speaks About Race by Jesmyn Ward.


James has been dead for over 40 years now and he's a prominent figure in today's civil rights movement, BLM.
Ward's book is a response to James foretelling and cautionary realism of the future when systematic racism continues to flourish in each generation and those who are tired of it, will stop marching/singing but instead will start killing/shouting.

take a message

  

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23. "RE: Getting "woke" and shit. I need some book recs. "
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The Miseducation Of The American Negro-Woodson

The Iceman Inheritanc rehisotric Sources of Western Man's Racism, Sexism and Aggression-Bradley

  

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24. ""Conflict Is Not Abuse" by Sarah Shulman"
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Its an amazing book about psychology and how it affects everything from interpersonal relationships to global politics.

I cant recommend it enough.

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25. "Categorically Unequal - Douglas Massey"
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27. "NPR’s Book Concierge always has good recs"
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https://apps.npr.org/best-books/#view=covers&year=2020

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28. "Here you go"
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Rutger Bregman - Humankind: A hopeful history
Peter Kropotkin - Mutual Aid: A factor in evolution
Jared Diamond - Guns, germs and steel
Bruno Latour - We have never been modern
David Abram - The spell of the sensuous
Charles C. Mann - 1491: New revelations of the Americas before Columbus
Charles C. Mann - 1493: Uncovering the new world Columbus created

  

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