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MEAT
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"Growing up were y’all taught that Eli Whitney was altruistic?"


  

          

I feel like I was taught some form of him being an abolitionist.

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I was taught that Eli's cotton gin inadvertently made slavery worse
Oct 11th 2020
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Inadvertently... like what cause do we have to ascribe innocence to him?
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      ascribe innocence?
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           You literally just ascribed him innocence
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                He made seed removal faster...
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                bruh you can be unintentionally complicit
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                     & you can also be intentionally, why do we assume his was unintentional
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                          because there's easier ways
Oct 13th 2020
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                          I see what you're saying here. He could've invented the gin...
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lol no...where would that even come from?
Oct 11th 2020
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The Texas public school system.
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No, they taught us he was a great inventor
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We were taught he invented to help use fewer enslaved people
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I was taught about his invention
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I grew up in Greensboro, NC. Home of Cone Mills. ....
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"Dude saw brutality and wanted to help people" is what they told us
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I don’t think so. It was framed as an innovation.
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No. We were taught about his invention and that was it
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same as most, some sort of "he was trying to help" narrative
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only taught about his inventions, not his intentions.
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I attended Eli Whitney Highschool...
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1. "I was taught that Eli's cotton gin inadvertently made slavery worse"
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Made it very profitable to run a cotton plantation.

Never heard anything about him being an abolitionist.

  

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MEAT
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3. "Inadvertently... like what cause do we have to ascribe innocence to him?"
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You know?

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hardware
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5. "ascribe innocence?"
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the intent was obviously to make it easier and faster

inadvertently means it made demand higher and so conditions were worse for everybody that wasn't a machine

Cotton gin wasn't 4D chess

  

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MEAT
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6. "You literally just ascribed him innocence "
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If I make my car faster tomorrow by stripping out everything that’s a safety feature, then I go out and kill my passengers in a wreck you can’t say ... “well all he wanted to do was make the car faster.”



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8. "He made seed removal faster..."
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Not cotton picking faster.

So I understood that the process of growing and picking cotton used to be slowed by the process of removing the seeds.

Once the seed removal was quicker the farmers wanted MORE cotton picked.

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9. "bruh you can be unintentionally complicit"
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MEAT
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11. "& you can also be intentionally, why do we assume his was unintentional "
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I was taught that he was, I have no reason or data to believe that.

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19. "because there's easier ways"
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lol

  

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20. "I see what you're saying here. He could've invented the gin..."
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...to increase productivity for the cotton industry that used slave labor, or even planned to profit off of it.

I searched and found nothing conclusive, but everything hints that he at least knew full-well what he was fueling. ex: https://www.nhregister.com/opinion/article/Opinion-We-need-to-talk-about-Eli-Whitney-15346322.php

  

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tomjohn29
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2. "lol no...where would that even come from?"
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MEAT
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4. "The Texas public school system. "
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7. "No, they taught us he was a great inventor"
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They didn't tell us about his politics at all, and they did mention that the cotton gin made conditions worse for slaves because the increase production snowballed and farmers bought more slaves to work the fields picking the cotton.

We learned about him in 7th grade and 10th grade.

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MEAT
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12. "We were taught he invented to help use fewer enslaved people"
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Mon Oct-12-20 06:50 AM by MEAT

  

          

Because he was against slavery
And that slavery started booming more accidentally
And that seems illogical.


This is a random website but it basically reads like our text books and teachings growing up

“ Whitney received a patent for his revolutionary invention on March 14, 1794. Optimistically, he believed his invention, by reducing the need for enslaved labor, would help hasten the end of southern slavery, while making Whitney himself a wealthy man. He was wrong on both counts.”

https://todayincthistory.com/2020/03/14/march-14-eli-whitney-patents-the-cotton-gin-2/

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14. "I was taught about his invention"
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and its impact on the cotton economy with no mention of its impact on the institution of slavery.

  

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10. "I grew up in Greensboro, NC. Home of Cone Mills. .... "
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he was a pretty big deal....although I don't recall the term altruistic specifically.....I certainly wouldn't be surprised to stumble upon some 1980's Guilford County Public Schools educational material that referred to him in that light...


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MEAT
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15. ""Dude saw brutality and wanted to help people" is what they told us"
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And like, I think dude saw an opportunity to make money and viewed Black humans as a point of inefficiency.

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13. "I don’t think so. It was framed as an innovation. "
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It’s also been a while ha. Not totally out of the realm that they glossed over stuff

  

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16. "No. We were taught about his invention and that was it"
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and was real quick.. like “he invented the Cotton gin, ok class...turn to page 220”

I can’t lie, back then I was an angry, medallion wearing, PE listening, Malcolm X autobiography reading... teen. I didn’t want to hear about slavery.. again, in history class”

So I never pressed for more info.

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17. "same as most, some sort of "he was trying to help" narrative"
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I didn't really question it and haven't really since. The story was packaged with other historical moments like Marie Curie's pioneering radioactivity research which had largely positive effects during her lifetime but increasingly negative effects in the century that followed and other things I can't specifically remember, attempting to illustrate that knowing our history is important because we can't ever fully predict the future impact of our actions or the things we support/believe in.



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18. "only taught about his inventions, not his intentions."
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21. "I attended Eli Whitney Highschool..."
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I went to Eli Whitney Highschool for one year in BK,with JZ, and AZ...we were all in the same shop class (Mr. Coombs), and we aint learn nothiing about Eli Whitney, lol.

  

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