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"2020 Pres Debates: 9PM-10PM ET Sep29, Oct15 & Oct27. VPs: Oct7"


          


Not sure what to expect How are yall feeling?

I do get the sense that Biden needs to nail these more than 45 does. The bar is so insanely low for 45; I fear all he has to do is look/sound even remotely normal for some of these swing and/or disaffected voters to be like... is he really that bad. Especially if juxtaposed against an unconvincing Biden.

Furthermore, 45 has been aggressively campaigning, holding rallies, and throwing policy bones to constituencies he's trying to win over while Biden's been less forthcoming and visible (eg. https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-virus-outbreak-ruth-bader-ginsburg-delaware-elections-9282e7a189e965b124f1fc31c857903e). Pelosi in her infinite wisdom suggesting the Dem candidate forgo debating the incumbent altogether (https://news.yahoo.com/why-bother-pelosi-suggests-biden-211311456.html) actually made me wonder whether there's been rumblings among insiders that Biden's debate prep hasn't been going well Plus it made Dems look/sound weak. Wasn't helpful imho.

As for KH v. MP.. again, not sure what to expect. He handled Tim Kaine in '16 no problem. People keep pointing to KH's performances during various hearings and the Dem primaries but, tbf... is there anybody she's lobbed her zingers at that didn't end up sailing through nomination to get the job (including Biden)? I worry sometimes that people conflate entertainment value with actual effective takedowns. There's def a lot to challenge him on tho; a truly effective debater could destroy on multiple aspects of his record and ideology. I guess we'll see.

So I donno. I'll try to catch all 4 if I can. How about yall?

  

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lol
Sep 28th 2020
1
not watching but I don't think Biden should do it.
Sep 28th 2020
2
Shit show.
Sep 28th 2020
3
The white commentator on CNN just called it a shitshow
Sep 29th 2020
76
I hope trump gets goated in to saying something stupid (which he will)
Sep 28th 2020
4
On point.
Sep 28th 2020
5
      I'm more excited for the VP debate
Sep 28th 2020
11
      Pence can talk? Harris will wipe the floor with him
Sep 28th 2020
20
           LOL
Sep 28th 2020
22
      Agreed and same.
Sep 28th 2020
12
Biden on that NZT-48!
Sep 28th 2020
6
nothing that happens in any of these debates will matter
Sep 28th 2020
7
I’m excited...
Sep 28th 2020
8
Biden has everything to lose, Trump has nothing to lose
Sep 28th 2020
9
Exactly right.
Sep 28th 2020
13
the people that need to watch/learn....won't
Sep 28th 2020
10
dreading it but I don't trust anyone's take
Sep 28th 2020
14
200.000 deaths & counting and he knew
Sep 28th 2020
15
2 men in mental decline going head to head in a debate...
Sep 28th 2020
16
I have totally withdrawn myself from reading US politics
Sep 28th 2020
17
Lol, that Biden mental decline dog won't hunt
Sep 28th 2020
25
      Man fucking SCREAM IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS.
Sep 28th 2020
26
      RE: Lol, that Biden mental decline dog won't hunt
Sep 28th 2020
27
           No, I didn't watch your bullshit videos I did however watch
Sep 28th 2020
30
                RE: No, I didn't watch your bullshit videos I did however watch
Sep 28th 2020
37
Another post full of trolls and stupidity
Sep 28th 2020
18
And yet you can't stay away.
Sep 28th 2020
23
      lol
Sep 28th 2020
28
      It says I'm fighting back against this bullshit
Sep 28th 2020
29
           right...
Sep 28th 2020
31
It could be good for Joe, honestly. It could also be a shit show.
Sep 28th 2020
19
Crazy how defeated and pessimistic everyone has become
Sep 28th 2020
21
Well said. Hope you're right on the first point.
Sep 28th 2020
24
Love a good debate!
Sep 28th 2020
32
Hilarity nm
Sep 28th 2020
33
you beautifual son of a bitch
Sep 28th 2020
34
      The drug test thing is definitely coming up, right?
Sep 28th 2020
35
           Biden campaign's response was pretty brilliant.
Sep 28th 2020
36
           Drug test def will. I just want one imaginary black friend story
Sep 28th 2020
38
           Lmaooooo bruh
Sep 29th 2020
39
           Right? A return to The Olde Ways
Sep 29th 2020
42
           Yooo now 45 wants ear tests!
Sep 29th 2020
44
                he's going full on Ric Flair at this point.
Sep 29th 2020
45
                Ric Flair is easier on the eyes IMO-- then there's this
Sep 29th 2020
46
                Gonna admit - this caught me off guard
Sep 29th 2020
47
                     Brilliantly put! 45 is a nothing if not a master of projection nm
Sep 29th 2020
48
Watch 2 old white men with questionable intelligence out ornery each
Sep 29th 2020
40
I’m throwing a debate watch party...
Sep 29th 2020
41
oops, I'm seeing the debates are supposed to go for 90m not 60m
Sep 29th 2020
43
A commitment to 50% more discourse!
Sep 29th 2020
49
If Trump has a stroke and dies, I’ll watch the YouTube video of it
Sep 29th 2020
50
1 of these guys did actual debate preparation.
Sep 29th 2020
51
It's possible Trump may not care that deeply about the debates.
Sep 30th 2020
171
trump already emailed his list saying he won the debate.
Sep 29th 2020
52
i cant make myself sit through an NBA playoff game but ill be watching t...
Sep 29th 2020
53
i could see there only being 1 debate.
Sep 29th 2020
54
RE: i could see there only being 1 debate.
Sep 29th 2020
55
It’s like water (c)
Sep 29th 2020
56
the leader of the free world, y’all...
Sep 29th 2020
57
Biden could freebase adderall on the podium
Sep 29th 2020
58
straight up...
Sep 29th 2020
59
i had to turn it off.
Sep 29th 2020
60
I saw about 20 seconds
Sep 29th 2020
62
i saw the first 10 and last 5 mins. that was enough for me.
Sep 29th 2020
84
most embarrassing debate ever
Sep 29th 2020
61
So for those who are torturing their brains and ears watching this
Sep 29th 2020
63
RE: So for those who are torturing their brains and ears watching this
Sep 29th 2020
64
      Did you catch when he said “stand back and stand by?”
Sep 29th 2020
65
           yup...
Sep 29th 2020
67
                Did trump or Biden say that?
Sep 29th 2020
70
                     Trump
Sep 29th 2020
71
                          So the implication is he had an ear piece or someone helping him?
Sep 29th 2020
72
                          no. he was asked SPECIFICALLY to denounce white supremacists and
Sep 29th 2020
79
                          It was trumps answer when asked about denouncing white supremacists
Sep 29th 2020
81
                          Trump rallying his ss troops
Sep 29th 2020
73
Ideas for the second debate
Sep 29th 2020
66
That's A Good Idea, His Head Is Already Gassed Up
Sep 29th 2020
74
America is done.
Sep 29th 2020
68
Basically. We’re cooked
Sep 29th 2020
75
That Hunter Biden drug comment and the failure to denounce was a bad mov...
Sep 29th 2020
69
Dude really told the Proud Boys to stand by
Sep 29th 2020
77
Does technology to mute mics not exist?
Sep 29th 2020
78
MUTE is a must
Sep 29th 2020
82
      wtf? no way..let peoples character be on display
Sep 29th 2020
97
only two groups trump has never denounced: white supremacists and
Sep 29th 2020
80
It's so weird that he can lie about everything else but that
Sep 29th 2020
85
Sounds like Pelosi was right about Biden not debating this ass clown
Sep 29th 2020
83
Watched the whole thing. That Proud boy thing was scary.
Sep 29th 2020
86
Other than muting the mic, what can a moderator do?
Sep 29th 2020
88
      Both camps have to agree to that beforehand anyway
Sep 29th 2020
90
           True, trump would never agree to that
Sep 29th 2020
92
the most discussed moment is the white supremacy non-condemnation.
Sep 29th 2020
87
Yeah, hopefully the Proud Boys stuff sticks with suburban voters
Sep 29th 2020
89
Gavin McInnes was persona non grata in the burbs
Sep 30th 2020
102
      Still wild to me Rogan had this dude on his podcast.
Sep 30th 2020
123
           Yeah I been done with Rogan because of his 'both sides' bullshit
Sep 30th 2020
125
           It's (also) the algorithm
Sep 30th 2020
153
                There is a right lean to content recommendation because
Sep 30th 2020
163
                     RE: There is a right lean to content recommendation because
Oct 01st 2020
193
           It's not wild. JRE is a venue to launder/disseminate white supremacist i...
Sep 30th 2020
129
           Just so I'm understanding you
Sep 30th 2020
130
           The NY Times podcast is about what social media is doing to us....
Sep 30th 2020
132
                100% I have seen a disturbing trend among young people
Sep 30th 2020
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                     RE: 100% I have seen a disturbing trend among young people
Sep 30th 2020
136
                     LOL edgy brah
Sep 30th 2020
138
                     The link to fitness/martial arts/mma is something few people discuss
Sep 30th 2020
141
                     My man. This post deserves to be disseminated WIDELY
Sep 30th 2020
144
                          Bro, I mad I didn't even mention Gordon Ryan in BJJ
Sep 30th 2020
147
                               yeah man RGA is a hotbed of habitual line-steppers and guess what
Sep 30th 2020
151
                     Also, it's not that they are radicalized by an episode of podcast
Sep 30th 2020
143
                          NGL I fucked with the Chapo reddit heavy
Sep 30th 2020
146
                               An added layer is that reading has been made more difficult
Sep 30th 2020
149
           That is right.
Sep 30th 2020
131
                Yep
Sep 30th 2020
135
                     Right. And what's frightening is the lack of accountability.
Sep 30th 2020
139
                          You're asking racist POS to not be racist POS
Sep 30th 2020
170
                               LOL well that's kinda the crazy part.
Sep 30th 2020
174
           Still wild to me GM was a part of late 90s, early 00s hipsters/Vice mag
Sep 30th 2020
150
RE: the most discussed moment is the white supremacy non-condemnation.
Sep 29th 2020
93
Definitely that. I also worry about the green new deal remark
Sep 30th 2020
105
I think that's going to sink him in the end.
Oct 01st 2020
192
45 is sickening. That mess was a Crap Show!
Sep 29th 2020
91
Overall, this was beautiful. Im glad it happened this way.
Sep 29th 2020
94
lol. ok, I thought it was just me...
Sep 29th 2020
95
I.. don’t know what to feel
Sep 30th 2020
106
      RE: I.. don’t know what to feel
Sep 30th 2020
111
Howard Dean is rolling in his grave
Sep 29th 2020
96
this tweet legit made me chuckle.
Sep 30th 2020
98
Joe, what did you do to stop the riots in Portland?
Sep 30th 2020
99
He didn't do poorly but he missed A LOT of opportunities
Sep 30th 2020
103
I don’t want to devolve into criticisms of Biden
Sep 30th 2020
104
      RE: I don’t want to devolve into criticisms of Biden
Sep 30th 2020
119
           But that’s exactly what I mean about explaining in simple terms
Sep 30th 2020
122
He address this by saying he currently doesn't hold any office
Sep 30th 2020
118
despite my better judgement...I watched that shit storm. turrible....
Sep 30th 2020
100
They keep trying the Socialism/fringe left thing on Joe
Sep 30th 2020
101
RE: They keep trying the Socialism/fringe left thing on Joe
Sep 30th 2020
107
      He will use any insult he can to stop Biden from answering a question.
Sep 30th 2020
109
That shit was a mess but I fell out when Biden said...
Sep 30th 2020
108
Also the 'who's more suburban than me? I grew up there'
Sep 30th 2020
112
"WILL YOU SHUT UP, MAN?" <--- best part of debate
Sep 30th 2020
110
that and when he hit biden w/ the inshallah
Sep 30th 2020
114
Yeah that one and the clown comment
Sep 30th 2020
115
TRUMP: Obama! 47 years Joe! Your son! Your son! Obama!
Sep 30th 2020
113
Favorite part for me was when Biden defended his son
Sep 30th 2020
116
I wanna slap these "undecided" fools upside the head. how can you be...
Sep 30th 2020
117
I think "undecided" is code for "I'm voting for Trump, but I don't want
Sep 30th 2020
126
      basically
Sep 30th 2020
137
      TRUTH TWINS ACTIVATE
Sep 30th 2020
142
           LOL !
Sep 30th 2020
145
      Yep, if you’re still undecided after watching trump last night
Sep 30th 2020
157
      100%
Sep 30th 2020
175
My first debate impression = meh. I don't think either looked as bad as
Sep 30th 2020
120
It wouldn't work for Biden to go after Trump's family
Sep 30th 2020
128
Like I said, I longed to see that *in response* to 45 going after Hunter...
Sep 30th 2020
133
Biden looked like a normal guy and a professional, so he won easily
Sep 30th 2020
172
he said "racial sensitivty training" was racist and radical..the fuck?
Sep 30th 2020
121
Same way Obama was "radical" although he was centrist AF
Sep 30th 2020
124
I liked the debate *shrug*
Sep 30th 2020
127
Biden wins instant polls. Winners in these surveys typically gain in po...
Sep 30th 2020
140
Colbert has a good segment (AND Public Enemy)
Sep 30th 2020
148
what an embarrassing garbage fire. i'm furious.
Sep 30th 2020
152
Yea man. Biden played it the only way you really can IMO.
Sep 30th 2020
154
I guess whatever Biden does you'll think he's weak
Sep 30th 2020
155
      You're responding to the wrong guy.
Sep 30th 2020
156
           Sorry, reply level +1 up
Sep 30th 2020
161
I hate this idea of Biden being weak
Sep 30th 2020
158
I thought Biden did fine
Sep 30th 2020
160
Biden was fine. This idea that he looked weak is ridiculous
Sep 30th 2020
162
I voted for Warren in the primary but i can't even imagine that debate
Sep 30th 2020
159
While I originally thought Warren would get bullied
Sep 30th 2020
165
      i agree they'd call anyone that, but Biden has receipts
Sep 30th 2020
167
whats the data on post debate poll numbers?
Sep 30th 2020
164
#140
Sep 30th 2020
166
Debate Commission to add new "rules to maintain order" (LINK)
Sep 30th 2020
168
If he gets “muted” enough times, he should be kicked out
Sep 30th 2020
173
yes please
Sep 30th 2020
176
Problem is that President Dingus is going to have to agree to any...
Sep 30th 2020
177
      Tell him to write a book about it, and fuck off
Sep 30th 2020
178
the trump campaign is refusing to agree to the new rules.
Sep 30th 2020
180
      Remember when they wanted a 4th debate?!?!
Sep 30th 2020
181
           they thought debates would hurt biden because hes senile.
Sep 30th 2020
182
run the numbers, papi...
Sep 30th 2020
169
what you need sis?
Sep 30th 2020
179
      just making sure you’re around to feed us...
Oct 01st 2020
195
next debate is town hall format.
Sep 30th 2020
183
Yea Biden will dominate. ....... if Trump partakes.
Sep 30th 2020
185
Trump's not really running against Biden
Sep 30th 2020
184
I'm with you - just one thing though: he didn't "emerge" last nite.
Sep 30th 2020
186
Biden had a few moments of egging him on...
Oct 01st 2020
196
3rd most watched debate since 1976.
Sep 30th 2020
187
TV Ratings: First Presidential Debate Draws Big but Down From 2016 Recor...
Sep 30th 2020
190
Proud boys already embracing stand down and stand by
Sep 30th 2020
188
biden with the best fundraising day of the entire cycle.
Sep 30th 2020
189
What I hate about this, is that it gives me hope lol ;,(
Oct 01st 2020
191
Ken Bone says Biden won
Oct 01st 2020
194
#DebatingWhileDem: Jaime Harrison brought his own plexiglass shield
Oct 04th 2020
197
That shit was *chef's kiss*
Oct 04th 2020
198
theres been a consistent bump in polls for biden post-debate.
Oct 05th 2020
199
VPs tonight.
Oct 07th 2020
200
what’s wrong with dude?
Oct 07th 2020
206
I don’t trust any of these elections “prognosticators” on CNN...
Oct 07th 2020
201
Pence so fuckin ugly, lol
Oct 07th 2020
202
Lol...not as wild, but still overrunning the moderator
Oct 07th 2020
203
LOL, do as we say, not as we do ass answer
Oct 07th 2020
204
right...ain’t say shit in the time he was supposed to
Oct 07th 2020
205
No more white moderators
Oct 07th 2020
209
pence just be calmly answering questions that werent even asked.
Oct 07th 2020
207
Lol...breh ain’t even trying to answer what was asked
Oct 07th 2020
208
dude will deflect, redirect, and flat out lie for an entire debate.
Oct 07th 2020
213
      That's why I think Kamala's strategy needs to be to continuously call ou...
Oct 07th 2020
216
Mannn my blood boils.
Oct 07th 2020
210
      its frustrating.
Oct 07th 2020
214
kamala needs to stop grinning and giggling.
Oct 07th 2020
211
If that’s the only critique, all good, but she BODYING this dude....
Oct 07th 2020
215
      yeah its not the worst ‘negative’ in the world.
Oct 07th 2020
217
           I can sense she has that “I know the answer to this question” giddy
Oct 07th 2020
221
Pence getting spanked
Oct 07th 2020
212
Does Pence have pinkeye??
Oct 07th 2020
218
he def got something going on there.
Oct 07th 2020
219
He has corona eyes
Oct 07th 2020
220
      Lol
Oct 07th 2020
222
      Lmao
Oct 07th 2020
226
      shit that might not even be a joke.
Oct 07th 2020
230
      Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
Oct 07th 2020
233
Kamala in that ass
Oct 07th 2020
223
She up there taking notes, literally...while dude talking
Oct 07th 2020
224
Time limits are too short for both,
Oct 07th 2020
225
Harris needs to keep pivoting to covid, no matter the topic
Oct 07th 2020
227
Exactly!
Oct 07th 2020
228
Mother - > Covid
Oct 07th 2020
231
Real quiet tonight for the Kamala is a cop crowd
Oct 07th 2020
229
theyre somewhere getting mad that she isnt pushing a fracking ban
Oct 07th 2020
237
these old ass white ppl gotta stop being the gatekeepers of our politics...
Oct 07th 2020
232
Both are tremendously exceeding their time limit.
Oct 07th 2020
234
      Fine people on both sides huh
Oct 07th 2020
           Oh he has been way more excessive.
Oct 07th 2020
244
I thought we were any to get a Few Good Men moment from Harris
Oct 07th 2020
235
That Fly is the MVP LOLOLOLLOLOL
Oct 07th 2020
236
this debate is a disaster for pence in terms of memes lol.
Oct 07th 2020
240
BARS
Oct 07th 2020
243
      lol
Oct 07th 2020
250
someone on twitter said "that's Pence's one black friend"
Oct 07th 2020
246
Hahahaha.
Oct 07th 2020
249
the fake woke warriors on twitter:
Oct 08th 2020
266
whoever is running Biden's twitter account should get a raise
Oct 07th 2020
248
      Yea that was brilliant.
Oct 07th 2020
252
      double tap.
Oct 07th 2020
256
      Social media team has been so on point too
Oct 08th 2020
270
What’s in his hair?
Oct 07th 2020
238
Fly’s love shit
Oct 07th 2020
239
a fly. they are attracted to shit.
Oct 07th 2020
241
Me to everyone in the house: https://gfycat.com/palatablebronzeappaloosa...
Oct 07th 2020
245
Shit was funny but I hate how that seems to be the takeaway
Oct 07th 2020
251
"Pence's fly respected the time limit more than he did."
Oct 07th 2020
254
That fly on Pence lol Pestilence
Oct 07th 2020
242
Pence using Rat Face talking points against her lmao
Oct 07th 2020
247
twitter is seriously uplifting my spirits tonight.
Oct 07th 2020
253
Haha same here. I've cackled several times tonite.
Oct 07th 2020
255
jeff goldblum is trending on twitter fam lol.
Oct 07th 2020
257
I need some Breaking Bad “The Fly” edits
Oct 07th 2020
258
      LMAO yo good call! nm
Oct 07th 2020
261
      How about this?
Oct 07th 2020
263
           I like it! Wish Pence’s head was edited in for Walt’s
Oct 08th 2020
307
fly attracted to his dead ass soul. this shit was hilarious.
Oct 07th 2020
259
ni&&a lookin like he wearin a Edgar suit. face all smooth and wrinkly
Oct 07th 2020
260
He's even got the eye thing going on.
Oct 08th 2020
264
0
Oct 08th 2020
271
I've had my gripes with KH, but got to say I was pleased with her debate
Oct 07th 2020
262
mayor pete got em speechless.
Oct 08th 2020
265
chef’s kiss clip of the day
Oct 08th 2020
268
Dude has a long career ahead of him
Oct 08th 2020
269
Damn Pete! THAT ETHER, THAT SHIT THAT MAKES YOUR SOUL BURN SLOW!
Oct 08th 2020
281
Saw this and agree with everything you said.
Oct 08th 2020
284
dem campaign fundraising tonight outpacing night of biden/trump debate.
Oct 08th 2020
267
2nd debate changed to virtual. trump says he isnt participating.
Oct 08th 2020
272
Trump may be a corpse by that debate...
Oct 08th 2020
273
this is a great idea
Oct 08th 2020
274
it is
Oct 08th 2020
287
Good. Biden should do another Town Hall event of his own
Oct 08th 2020
275
      or just show up to the debate lol
Oct 08th 2020
285
republicans taking the entire mask off.
Oct 08th 2020
276
rEPublIc NoT a dEmOCracy
Oct 08th 2020
278
Wow
Oct 08th 2020
279
How can this even be real??
Oct 08th 2020
280
"If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically....
Oct 08th 2020
283
imagine a non white man or woman saying
Oct 08th 2020
277
Harris got these white folks, well, being white folks
Oct 08th 2020
282
i thought harris did well
Oct 08th 2020
286
I fell asleep
Oct 08th 2020
288
She did OK...
Oct 08th 2020
289
to be honest they both frustrated me by not answering the questions
Oct 08th 2020
290
Yea and she could've hammered home more COVID-related shit too
Oct 08th 2020
291
I was underwhelmed
Oct 08th 2020
294
Yeah - Pence may have lied about everything he said all night
Oct 08th 2020
308
      Yep pretty much what I was saying - I agree.
Oct 08th 2020
310
I thought so too...
Oct 08th 2020
295
Nitpick, but i get soo annoyed about the China travel ban response
Oct 08th 2020
298
Yep yep yep. So many unchecked lies. They need to be better prepared for...
Oct 08th 2020
299
      Pence touted the Average Savings from Trump's tax cuts too
Oct 08th 2020
300
           For real. It's all very, very easy to refute.
Oct 08th 2020
301
what was up with the "explanations" harris did?
Oct 08th 2020
311
      I think, to emphasize it...
Oct 08th 2020
312
           i dont know
Oct 08th 2020
313
Biden requests rescheduling of 2nd Debate to 10/22
Oct 08th 2020
292
10/22 is too soon
Oct 08th 2020
293
I think they should cancel the third debate and postpone the
Oct 08th 2020
296
He should have kept the virtual town hall for next week, without 45
Oct 08th 2020
297
Yeah, I agree
Oct 08th 2020
302
yep, i agree
Oct 08th 2020
303
Biden to participate in ABC Town Hall October 15 (link):
Oct 08th 2020
305
      Oh thank goodness
Oct 08th 2020
306
this is a misstep
Oct 08th 2020
304
      I would rather keep this and reschedule and drop the 3rd debate
Oct 08th 2020
309
Commission cancels second Presidential debate (link):
Oct 09th 2020
314
Tonight is gonna be an even bigger shit show, right?
Oct 22nd 2020
315
Like last time.. turn to the camera and speak about real ass issues
Oct 22nd 2020
316
pretty much
Oct 22nd 2020
330
RE: How should Biden respond?
Oct 22nd 2020
321
not sure why im watching tonight but i sure will be
Oct 22nd 2020
317
Fascinated to see how the muting plays out
Oct 22nd 2020
318
I can't watch
Oct 22nd 2020
319
Correct.
Oct 22nd 2020
320
i got through less than 30 seconds of the last one
Oct 22nd 2020
322
      Trumpster gon' pull out Chip Kelly play call cards
Oct 22nd 2020
323
           HS friend-turned-MAGAite posted a photoshopped meme on FB
Oct 22nd 2020
325
oh, I’m watching...
Oct 22nd 2020
324
I'm pretty nervous about it. Not sure why.
Oct 22nd 2020
326
the mute button, it will be interesting to see how that works out lol
Oct 22nd 2020
329
such a mistake for Biden to do this imho
Oct 22nd 2020
327
Same.
Oct 22nd 2020
331
I'm watching for context
Oct 22nd 2020
328
Trump going back to 2016 playbook. Surprise guest and press conference
Oct 22nd 2020
332
This is the guy who’s the subject of an WSJ article about Hunter Biden
Oct 22nd 2020
333
Dangerous game Biden is playing here
Oct 22nd 2020
334
Easy dunks for Biden
Oct 22nd 2020
335
RE: Easy dunks for Biden
Oct 22nd 2020
339
bidens favorables have gone up the more trump attacks him.
Oct 22nd 2020
336
it would be cool if he could tag in snarky pete to hit back at trump
Oct 22nd 2020
337
      pete really should give dems messaging templates
Oct 22nd 2020
338
Plus or minus how many times President Biff says Hunter Biden.
Oct 22nd 2020
340
LOL...he just say anything, man
Oct 22nd 2020
341
Trump's people wanted Joe to talk in hopes he would hurt himself...
Oct 22nd 2020
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T-rump just talks and shit doesnt make any sense
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yup..but instead hes gettin in that ass..Im relieved
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OH SHIT....
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why is the moderator letting Trump talk so much?
Oct 22nd 2020
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I feel like she's on him, no? Didnt watch the last debate
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      I take that back
Oct 22nd 2020
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      it feels like Trump is talking more
Oct 22nd 2020
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           she IS letting him always respond
Oct 22nd 2020
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he said he prepaid his taxes!!!
Oct 22nd 2020
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dude is amazing
Oct 22nd 2020
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So far this debate feels unsettlingly normal...
Oct 22nd 2020
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I accidentally heard 3 seconds of this mess earlier ...
Oct 22nd 2020
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Trump comes off 10x better here than round 1.
Oct 22nd 2020
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He does and that worries me because voters are idiots
Oct 22nd 2020
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Biden looking sharper too. It's weird.
Oct 22nd 2020
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his demeanor was better, but his talking points were still
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      I didn't watch but I think it actually might. This tweet put it well IMO...
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           I don't agree with that tweet. lol
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                I mean I agree with everything you said except ...
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                     possibly lol.
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Honestly this moderator is slippin
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she's wack and inefficient as much as the others were
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      Does anyone ever like the moderators? What makes a good one?
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           Someone who makes Trump stfu and answer the question
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                thank you..and cut mics off as agreed upon
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                to be fair, the production crew had the mic control
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                I would rather watch the Giants/Eagles game than this debate
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                     That's exactly what I did.
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Its frustrating watching him miss out on would-be slam dunks
Oct 22nd 2020
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DT will not stfu until he is has passed on. Even if he loses he will be ...
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that crime bill though
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there should be no undecided...
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In a perfect world, my friend.
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china/hunter biden conspiracy shit sounds so goofy
Oct 23rd 2020
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Who’s winning, you think?
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      the debate?
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           Glad to hear, I found it frustrating
Oct 23rd 2020
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                free and fair? biden.
Oct 23rd 2020
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                really?!?!
Oct 23rd 2020
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This comment from one NYT reporter sums it up nicely
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wsj news side debunks wsj opinion side.
Oct 23rd 2020
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the abraham lincoln thing killed me
Oct 23rd 2020
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RE: the abraham lincoln thing killed me
Oct 23rd 2020
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From here on out we call them the Poor Boys
Oct 23rd 2020
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Hahaha I said that to someone last nite.
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Only caught the last 2/3rds or so but definitely a better watch
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the most google searched issue during the debate was wages.
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Dems need to hammer the economy more imo
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1. "lol"
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Any voter who says or thinks " is he really that bad" is not and never was a disaffected or swing voter.

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2. "not watching but I don't think Biden should do it."
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bar is too low for Trump. Voters already know who they will vote for (if they are going to vote at all). It's just the Trump reality show at this point.

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3. "Shit show. "
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Trump might feel cornered now because of whats' hgappened the last 24 hours, which could make him act out wildly.

  

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76. "The white commentator on CNN just called it a shitshow"
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on air.

  

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4. "I hope trump gets goated in to saying something stupid (which he will)"
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and that Biden will not get goated in to saying something stupid (which he will)

If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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5. "On point."
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And I have absolutely no interest in these debates.

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11. "I'm more excited for the VP debate"
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Since both can actually talk.

I will probably watch them all though.

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20. "Pence can talk? Harris will wipe the floor with him"
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Is he even allowed to be in the room with her without Mother?

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22. "LOL"
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>Is he even allowed to be in the room with her without
>Mother?

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12. "Agreed and same."
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>RE: On point.
>And I have absolutely no interest in these debates.

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6. "Biden on that NZT-48!"
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(according to Trump)

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7. "nothing that happens in any of these debates will matter"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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8. "I’m excited..."
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I’ll be watching

  

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9. "Biden has everything to lose, Trump has nothing to lose"
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Trump can do and say any number of stupid shit and it will only get tacked on to the long list of things that should be appalling but didn't move the needle. If he merely makes it through without a huge gaffe, people will say "Trump is finally acting Presidential!"

Any minor fuck up Biden has will be made into a huge deal. If he does a good job, hes only doing whats expected of him.

Its a trap. I guess I could see some swing voters coming over to Biden's side because they are probably looking for any reason to feel good about voting for him other than the fact he isn't Trump. But I think 99% of people know what box theyre checking in November already.

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13. "Exactly right."
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I can't even fathom a strategy that would be impactful or matter for Biden's purposes.


>RE: Biden has everything to lose, Trump has nothing to lose
>Trump can do and say any number of stupid shit and it will
>only get tacked on to the long list of things that should be
>appalling but didn't move the needle. If he merely makes it
>through without a huge gaffe, people will say "Trump is
>finally acting Presidential!"
>
>Any minor fuck up Biden has will be made into a huge deal. If
>he does a good job, hes only doing whats expected of him.
>
>Its a trap. I guess I could see some swing voters coming over
>to Biden's side because they are probably looking for any
>reason to feel good about voting for him other than the fact
>he isn't Trump. But I think 99% of people know what box theyre
>checking in November already.

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10. "the people that need to watch/learn....won't"
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The stupidity knows no bounds for 45 voters. Even with the tax shit they probably have the excuses lined up.

  

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14. "dreading it but I don't trust anyone's take"
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no matter what side they're on so i'd rather just watch for myself.

Hillary dismantled Trump in 16 debates but it didn't matter. he had zingers.

i dunno, either way i'm not looking forward to them.

  

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15. "200.000 deaths &amp; counting and he knew"
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If you still consider voting for him knowing that no debate is ever gonna change that

  

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16. "2 men in mental decline going head to head in a debate..."
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...should be hilarious, but it isn't AT ALL.





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17. "I have totally withdrawn myself from reading US politics"
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because of those two. The entire governmental system needs to be reformed from the foundation up.

We should be voting on creating an entirely different form of government.
Get rid of the presidential system.

  

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25. "Lol, that Biden mental decline dog won't hunt"
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Having actually watched multiple Biden's speeches and several of the events he's participated in over the last few weeks you can tell who is just regurgitating bullshit.

Spoiler: It's the same people who were trying to push the molestor/sexual assault narrative a couple of months ago links on this site. That dog didn't hunt either. So now this.

Weird.

He's been clear, cogent, and demonstrated the ability not only to expound off-the-cuff on complex subjects but to explain them simply while providing needed context to other people.

To try and draw an equivalence between the two is either a function of dishonesty or ignorance. To try and cast Biden as somehow in decline above and beyond that of someone who was born in 1942 is patently ridiculous.



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26. "Man fucking SCREAM IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS."
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Especially that last paragraph. Couldn't have possibly summed it up better. It's projection, cognitive dissonance, stupidity, all of the above. And even people who I used to think were reasonable, thinking people with functioning human brains are spewing that ignorant bullshit.

Man I hate this shit so much lol.


>Having actually watched multiple Biden's speeches and several
>of the events he's participated in over the last few weeks you
>can tell who is just regurgitating bullshit.
>
>Spoiler: It's the same people who were trying to push the
>molestor/sexual assault narrative a couple of months ago links
>on this site. That dog didn't hunt either. So now this.
>
>Weird.
>
>He's been clear, cogent, and demonstrated the ability not only
>to expound off-the-cuff on complex subjects but to explain
>them simply while providing needed context to other people.
>
>To try and draw an equivalence between the two is either a
>function of dishonesty or ignorance. To try and cast Biden as
>somehow in decline above and beyond that of someone who was
>born in 1942 is patently ridiculous.

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27. "RE: Lol, that Biden mental decline dog won't hunt"
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>Having actually watched multiple Biden's speeches and several
>of the events he's participated in over the last few weeks you
>can tell who is just regurgitating bullshit.
>
>Spoiler: It's the same people who were trying to push the
>molestor/sexual assault narrative a couple of months ago links
>on this site. That dog didn't hunt either. So now this.



I'm 100% voting for the guy.. but you're not being honest with yourself if you think he's sharp as a tack. #1. He's definitely off. #2 the guy is a fucking creep. You've seen the videos, don't act like that shit is normal behavior.

Again, he's got my vote. But he's a HORRIBLE candidate. and let's not act like i'm going to tip some on the fence voters towards trump... Trump is 1000x the creep and an actual fucking criminal.




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30. "No, I didn't watch your bullshit videos I did however watch"
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his actual speeches and events.

He's declining in the sense that he's 77 years of age and to an extent that is natural. Sure.

But your characterization is utterly false and that's based on having watched hours of him actually speaking over the last few weeks.

So you can sell that shit to some of these bird-brained niggas but you can't sell it to me. That's the reason I do my homework so I don't fall for okeydoke time after time or start believing some bullshit parroted on a messageboard.

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37. "RE: No, I didn't watch your bullshit videos I did however watch"
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>his actual speeches and events.
>
>He's declining in the sense that he's 77 years of age and to
>an extent that is natural. Sure.
>
>But your characterization is utterly false and that's based on
>having watched hours of him actually speaking over the last
>few weeks.
>
>So you can sell that shit to some of these bird-brained niggas
>but you can't sell it to me. That's the reason I do my
>homework so I don't fall for okeydoke time after time or start
>believing some bullshit parroted on a messageboard.



You fail this homework assignment then. Congrats on this!



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18. "Another post full of trolls and stupidity"
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Yay!

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23. "And yet you can't stay away."
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What does that say about you ?

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28. "lol"
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29. "It says I'm fighting back against this bullshit"
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We got folk in here parroting Russian disinformation and others just trying out material for the dumbest comedy club in Alabama.

I'm going to watch the debate, but the shit show that is Okayplayer makes me wish for much better moderation.

Fuck a large cross section of y'all.

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31. "right..."
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19. "It could be good for Joe, honestly. It could also be a shit show."
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Trump has built Biden up to be this socialist radical anarchist boogie man. For some voters, if all they've seen is that stuff, they may get a much different picture of him after listening to Joe speak directly.

In some ways this debate seems pretty unimportant, based on how polarized we are, so it's not going to swing a ton of votes, but it's going to be pretty important in communicating with those slim segments on the margin who just want things to 'go back to normal'. Trump got a shit ton of votes from people who wanted things to go back to how they used to be in 2016 (whatever dumb vague notion of 'used to be' they had). I think Joe might be able to appeal to significant % of those voters.

It's 2020, though, so I can't call it. It's probably going to be dumb as fuck, though. That's what our country wants, and probably what we deserve tbh.

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21. "Crazy how defeated and pessimistic everyone has become"
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the past 4 years

Its actually insane. Hopefully something GOOD happens in November, and a year or so from now we'll all be like... damn those 4 years were crazy, glad things are looking a bit up at least... HOPEFULLY

  

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24. "Well said. Hope you're right on the first point."
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>RE: It could be good for Joe, honestly. It could also be a shit show.
>Trump has built Biden up to be this socialist radical
>anarchist boogie man. For some voters, if all they've seen is
>that stuff, they may get a much different picture of him after
>listening to Joe speak directly.
>
>In some ways this debate seems pretty unimportant, based on
>how polarized we are, so it's not going to swing a ton of
>votes, but it's going to be pretty important in communicating
>with those slim segments on the margin who just want things to
>'go back to normal'. Trump got a shit ton of votes from
>people who wanted things to go back to how they used to be in
>2016 (whatever dumb vague notion of 'used to be' they had). I
>think Joe might be able to appeal to significant % of those
>voters.
>
>It's 2020, though, so I can't call it. It's probably going to
>be dumb as fuck, though. That's what our country wants, and
>probably what we deserve tbh.
>
>

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32. "Love a good debate!"
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A lively and free-wheeling exchange in the arena of IDEAS is the lungs of American democracy. When it occurs in the white-hot intensity of election season, well then that's the heart.

Really looking forward to seeing which of these titans of American politics have the boldness and clarity of vision to lead our country toward a better future for all of us!

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33. "Hilarity nm"
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34. "you beautifual son of a bitch"
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In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
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35. "The drug test thing is definitely coming up, right?"
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Genuinely looking forward to that.

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36. "Biden campaign's response was pretty brilliant."
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38. "Drug test def will. I just want one imaginary black friend story"
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Really though anything is on the table. Threats of arrest, push up contest, spelling test, who’s the bigger perv contest, bragging on their dicks, accusations of incest - there no rules, man. This thunderdome, but retarded.

In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
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39. "Lmaooooo bruh"
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hahaha

  

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42. "Right? A return to The Olde Ways"
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>Threats of arrest, push up contest, spelling test, who’s the bigger >perv contest, bragging on their dicks, accusations of incest

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44. "Yooo now 45 wants ear tests! "
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https://thehill.com/campaign-issues/518736-trump-campaign-wants-to-examine-bidens-ears-for-electronic-device-during



President Trump's campaign wants to have a third party examine both his and Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden's ears for electronic devices before Tuesday night's presidential debate, Fox News reported, part of an ongoing effort by the president's supporters to paint the former vice president as mentally incompetent.

The demand comes as part of a heated back-and-forth between the two campaigns in the hours before a debate that most expect to be nasty and personal.

It also comes after Trump spent the past week portraying Biden as a candidate beholden to his handlers and unable to stand on his own, suggesting repeatedly that Biden would be under the influence of performance enhancing substances during the debate and demanding that both candidates submit to a drug test before taking the stage.

The president has said he is willing to participate in such an ear inspection and the Trump campaign claims Biden initially agreed to one as well, Fox News reported. A Trump campaign official also told Fox the Biden team has requested two breaks during Tuesday night's event, one every 30 minutes, but that the president's reelection campaign does not want them.

"Our guy doesn't need breaks. He gives 90-minute speeches all the time," an unnamed campaign source told the outlet.

During a pre-debate call with reporters on Tuesday, Biden spokesperson Kate Bedingfield shot down the Trump campaign's claims.

“Of course he’s not wearing an earpiece and we never asked for breaks," Bedingfield told reporters. "His staff seems concerned that he may not do well tonight and they’re already laying the groundwork to lie about why."

"It is pathetic, it’s weak, once again the Trump campaign is lying," she said.

In a tweet shortly thereafter, Trump campaign spokesman Tim Murtaugh shot back.

"Joe Biden’s handlers several days ago agreed to a pre-debate inspection for electronic earpieces but today abruptly reversed themselves & declined," he said. "Biden asked for multiple breaks during the debate, which President Trump doesn’t need, so we have rejected that request."

The Trump campaign did not immediately return a request from The Hill. The Commission on Presidential Debates also did not return a request for comment.

Over the weekend, Trump suggested that both candidates submit to a drug test before they take the stage.
"I will be strongly demanding a Drug Test of Sleepy Joe Biden prior to, or after, the Debate on Tuesday night," Trump tweeted. "Naturally, I will agree to take one also. His Debate performances have been record setting UNEVEN, to put it mildly. Only drugs could have caused this discrepancy???"


Tuesday night's debate, which is slated to last 1.5 hours and is the first of three between the two candidates before the Nov. 3 election, is set to begin at 9 p.m. in Cleveland, Ohio.

The event will be moderated by Fox News anchor Chris Wallace, whom Trump predicted will not ask sufficiently tough questions of Biden.

“Chris is good, but I would be willing to bet that he won’t ask Biden tough questions. He will ask tough questions of me and it will be unfair, I have no doubt about it,” Trump said last week. “He will be controlled by the radical left.”

Biden has taken heat from critics in recent days for calling for a lid, a memorandum letting reporters know there will be no more public statements or appearances in order to prep for the Tuesday's debate.

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45. "he's going full on Ric Flair at this point. "
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i'm picturing Biden getting his ear examined and Don Jr. sneaking up behind him w/a folding chair.

And not for nothing, would a Ric Flair presidency really look that materially different from the Donald Trump era?

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46. "Ric Flair is easier on the eyes IMO-- then there's this"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkghtyxZ6rc

O and be prepared for Junior to run in 2024 vs Pompeo.

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47. "Gonna admit - this caught me off guard"
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When Anselm wrote the ontological argument for the existence of God in his Proslogion, the reason the rhetorical sleight-of-hand works so well is that his definition of God both *sounds* high-minded and correct but is also boundlessly flexible. His definition is God is greater than the greatest thing that can be imagined.

This principle should be applied now and for every moment before the election. Whatever the next thing to happen is, it will always be stupider than the stupidest thing we could possibly imagine.

The plus side for the Democrats is that in 2016, the party that sounded like crying babies who just filled their diapers ended up losing. The corollary to the observation that America loves con men is that America hates people who cry to the refs after they got conned. Trump's bitching about all of this isn't an argument so much as a base play, but it makes him sound like a nerd who deserves to be stuffed in a locker and that's probably good.

The down side for the Democrats is that I'm pretty confident Trump is right about the drugs thing. Though he probably went there so fluidly because he's on an identical regimen of hide-your-brain-worms-if-you-need-to-be-up-past-4pm drugs, along with every one of these geriatric assholes who presumes to rule us.

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48. "Brilliantly put! 45 is a nothing if not a master of projection nm"
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But hell, what do I know?

  

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40. "Watch 2 old white men with questionable intelligence out ornery each "
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other for an hour???
Hard pass....

  

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41. "I’m throwing a debate watch party..."
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family pissed about lol

all hands on deck

  

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43. "oops, I'm seeing the debates are supposed to go for 90m not 60m"
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my bad yall

  

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49. "A commitment to 50% more discourse!"
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They're like the Amish, except for being vile weirdos who've honed their politics specifically for the oldest, richest perverts among us instead of, like, barn-raising.

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50. "If Trump has a stroke and dies, I’ll watch the YouTube video of it"
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with a bottle of champagne and a big ass smile.

Beyond that I won’t watch one second of any of these. Don’t care. My mind was made up 4 years ago, and it’s not good for my mental health to dedicate even one second of my time watching Trump be a piece of shit.

  

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51. "1 of these guys did actual debate preparation."
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the other one is launching panic induced conspiracy theories about his opponent being on performance enhancing drugs, wearing an earpiece, and apparently being a mental wizard who can memorize all of the debate questions he supposedly got beforehand.

his handpicked dni just released literal russian disninfo about the clinton campaign too.

these arent the type of maneuvers you see from someone who is confident in their potential debate performance..

  

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171. "It's possible Trump may not care that deeply about the debates."
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I seem to remember Hilary Clinton easily beating Trump in the three debates and he still won the election, so it's possible Trump may not care about winning the debates in a traditional sense since he managed to pervert all the norms that come with being president.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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52. "trump already emailed his list saying he won the debate."
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and the debate doesnt start for another 2 1/2 hours.

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1311072696998883329

these people are such fuckups.

  

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53. "i cant make myself sit through an NBA playoff game but ill be watching t..."
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if there was any expectation of an actual debate of ideas it would make sense. it being america, i cant explain why im willing to watch this.

maybe some good grubhub will make it better, debate starts at 7 here so at least i wont be staying up late for it lol

  

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54. "i could see there only being 1 debate."
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depending on how tonight goes...i could see trump just refusing to do the 2 other debates (he pulled out of a debate before because of fox news treatment of him).

  

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55. "RE: i could see there only being 1 debate."
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I was dubious there would even be a debate, but here we are.

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56. "It’s like water (c)"
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57. "the leader of the free world, y’all..."
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damn shame

  

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58. "Biden could freebase adderall on the podium"
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while wearing some Studio 3 Beats as they feed him all the answers, and Id still vote for him.

Trump is a legit lunatic.

  

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59. "straight up..."
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60. "i had to turn it off."
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i already know who im voting for and this shit is doing nothing but pissing me off. trump is a fucking pig and chris wallace is useless.

  

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62. "I saw about 20 seconds"
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84. "i saw the first 10 and last 5 mins. that was enough for me."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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61. "most embarrassing debate ever"
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yeah, hyperbole but still...

  

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63. "So for those who are torturing their brains and ears watching this "
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How is Biden doing?

  

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64. "RE: So for those who are torturing their brains and ears watching this "
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>How is Biden doing?


Very good. Wish he had a little bit more bite in him to go and counter against time allotted like Trump is doing. But Trump is looking bad as fuck lol.

A bit mad Joe didn't go in about Trump talking about "good on both sides" when white supremist issue came up though.

  

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65. "Did you catch when he said “stand back and stand by?”"
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67. "yup..."
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70. "Did trump or Biden say that?"
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71. "Trump"
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We see through all that boo boo like it's ghost shit... (c) Quelle Chris

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72. "So the implication is he had an ear piece or someone helping him?"
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79. "no. he was asked SPECIFICALLY to denounce white supremacists and"
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neo nazis. and he was like, 'who?',

and chris wallace said, like the proud boys

and trump not only didn't denounce them. he said, 'i told them to stand back... and stand by'

basically telling white supremacists to chill and await further orders.


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81. "It was trumps answer when asked about denouncing white supremacists "
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"To the proud boys, stand back and stand by"

He also told his supporters to watch the polls

  

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73. "Trump rallying his ss troops"
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66. "Ideas for the second debate"
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Perhaps our first zoom debate? Just do it virtually and mute their respective mikes when they’re not supposed to speak.

Perhaps they should do a debate in sound proof booths so they can turn each candidates audio off when it isn’t their turn to talk and then shut the oxygen going into Trumps booth off.

  

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74. "That's A Good Idea, His Head Is Already Gassed Up"
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>when it isn’t their turn to talk and then shut
>the oxygen going into Trumps booth off.

Ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!



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68. "America is done."
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That's what I learned from this debate.

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Let me guess, I can have "good day" now, right?

  

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75. "Basically. We’re cooked"
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It will be interesting to see how polls change if at all.

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69. "That Hunter Biden drug comment and the failure to denounce was a bad mov..."
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Even for the orange guy.

He better regroup and tone down the Ben Shapiro talking points.

  

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77. "Dude really told the Proud Boys to stand by"
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78. "Does technology to mute mics not exist?"
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That was unbearable. Nobody needs 2 more of these

  

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82. "MUTE is a must"
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If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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97. "wtf? no way..let peoples character be on display"
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Can you imagine a normalized debate tonight?..let Trump show his racist unhinged persona to the world

  

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80. "only two groups trump has never denounced: white supremacists and"
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russia


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85. "It's so weird that he can lie about everything else but that"
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He lies about everything so quick. Without hesitation. But whenever white supremacists come up, he gets quiet and starts stammering.

Are the supremacists and supremacist adjacents that powerful that he can't disparage them with a wink and a nod?

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83. "Sounds like Pelosi was right about Biden not debating this ass clown"
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86. "Watched the whole thing. That Proud boy thing was scary."
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I think Biden was strong and I think him addressing the camera and America was a good move for those "independents" or the one the fence trump supporter.

Its impossible to debate this idiot. Biben might as well practice debating a squawking parrot screaming in his ear.

Muting the mic needs to happen. It's impossible to make out, cuz of course trump is the problem. Wallace was meh. I hope the next mods are better, but I doubt it.

Over all I think Biden did well and looked great. His stutter came out, but I mean he is debating for the presidency and up against an idiot wanna be dictator its frustrating.

If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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88. "Other than muting the mic, what can a moderator do?"
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90. "Both camps have to agree to that beforehand anyway"
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Which of course trumps team will not. Interrupting joe is part of the strategy

  

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92. "True, trump would never agree to that "
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87. "the most discussed moment is the white supremacy non-condemnation."
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that’s what is blowing up on social media and what everyone will be talking about on the morning shows.

people might not think anything matters anymore but 2 of trump’s sharpest drops in approval were after his charlottesville response and his george floyd protests response.

that answer is the kind of thing that repels the type of suburban voters that trump is trying desperately to win back over.

i honestly wouldnt be surprised if he sees a drop in the polls. 10s of millions of voters are getting their real 1st look at the candidates tonight.

  

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89. "Yeah, hopefully the Proud Boys stuff sticks with suburban voters "
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102. "Gavin McInnes was persona non grata in the burbs"
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123. "Still wild to me Rogan had this dude on his podcast."
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I'm partly ashamed I ever listened to his podcast back in the days and terribly happy I finally stopped giving Rogan attention when he said he would rather see Trump win again than vote for Biden.

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125. "Yeah I been done with Rogan because of his 'both sides' bullshit"
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entertaining these alt-right adjacent and alt-right assholes turned me off.

JRE was white af as far as perspectives go, but back in the day it was never right-leaning like that.

  

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153. "It's (also) the algorithm"
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Crazy thing is I think Rogan is being radicalized slowly by his own mechanism...

But the larger issue IMO is the Youtube Algorithm and (grifters Rogan has on that abuse it).

If I watch a Rogan episode on Physics or Nutrition I don't get more physics videos after. I get "Ben Shapiro pwns the libs" or Alex Jones.

If I am doing research on a camping tent from Amazon or a knife in 3 videos I am somehow in the EDC (just in case of civil war) territory.

I think that what is apparent is that people who find refuge in self-improvement through physical means (fitness, outdoorsy shit) AND feel alienated because of their white (white identifying) fragility are especially susceptible to radicalization in these spaces. And the algorithm and message boards allow for the echo chambers to push to the extremes. The ego from improving one's self also gives these dudes some false sense of confidence in entering into these spaces publicly.


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163. "There is a right lean to content recommendation because"
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to be honest, there is more right-leaning content on YT than on television.

The same way traditional news is argued to lean left (mostly because it traffics in facts and honest-to-goodness journalism), as well as Hollywood (#theliberals).

Youtube content is easier to make because it is not vetted, and only requires a believable, charismatic personality to communicate it.

Just listening to the podcast navajo recommended. Very interesting regarding how the YT algorithm used watch-time metrics and now those created filter bubbles that reinforced two separate realities.

Also, the sheer volume of videos, and the default response that 'mainstream media won't show you this' reinforces all of this questionable content.

>Crazy thing is I think Rogan is being radicalized slowly by
>his own mechanism...

American culture at large has jagged right after the Obama presidency. White supremacist orgs saw a huge jump in membership during and after Obama, apparently.



  

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193. "RE: There is a right lean to content recommendation because"
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Yea... in terms of Rogan it feels like it happened more recently. Think COVID sent him down a rabbit hole.

Joe’s biggest problem is how hard he identifies with being a comedian. He sees real issues like Trump rhetoric or Proud Boys or Steven Crowder as “jokers” w/o real impact and his mission to combat cancel culture (cuz cawwwmedy) gives him strange bedfellows.

At the same time his interview with Cornel West might be one of West’s best over the last few years.

I am curious as to how we steer thsi ship in another direction. I just started consistently doing CF and I am interested in starting BJJ but it is obvious that the LEO and Military in CF are definitely not thinking on the same wavelength as I. It’s fine to get after it in the work outs but anytime I overhear anything relates to politics or police I know these are people I would never kick it with outside of the gym.

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129. "It's not wild. JRE is a venue to launder/disseminate white supremacist i..."
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He's had:

Gavin McIness
Ben Shapiro multiple times
Stefan Molyneuax twice
Alex Jones multiple times (and also has been a guest on his show)
Sam Harris
Milo Yiannopoulos
Steven Crowder
Charles C. Johnson
Owen Benjamin
Candice Owens

His podcast is directly responsible for radicalizing an untold number of white supremacists (NY Times' "Rabbit Hole" podcast goes in-depth on one such case)


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130. "Just so I'm understanding you"
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>His podcast is directly responsible for radicalizing an untold
>number of white supremacists (NY Times' "Rabbit Hole" podcast
>goes in-depth on one such case)
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>
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NY Times had a podcast episode devoted strictly to Rogan? Or was it for supremacists in general?

If it's the former, I guess I underestimated just how popular his podcast is; I'm assuming this was before his Spotify deal.

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132. "The NY Times podcast is about what social media is doing to us...."
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The first three episodes follow a young man who was radicalized via Youtube videos. They do a forensic deep dive into exactly how he went from watching cat videos to watching white supremacy videos by looking at his every video in his playlist. Spoiler alert Rogan was a gateway.

The remainder of the podcast is dedicated to PewdiePie and QAnon.

https://www.nytimes.com/column/rabbit-hole

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134. "100% I have seen a disturbing trend among young people"
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Kid i do jiujitsu with (Latino at that) is supposedly going full retard on the right wing tip from what another guy tells me. It's completely fueled by youtube and various shady conservative news outlets.

At the same time, I would hope the more mature audience, age say 30+ are not being radicalized by a podcast and understand the current libertarian / cynical-of-mainstream-science-and-media trend among caucasian males for what it is.

  

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136. "RE: 100% I have seen a disturbing trend among young people"
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>Kid i do jiujitsu with (Latino at that) is supposedly going
>full retard on the right wing tip from what another guy tells
>me. It's completely fueled by youtube and various shady
>conservative news outlets.

This almost sounds as if you're describing Eddie Bravo.

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138. "LOL edgy brah"
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He's wild IRL too. Dude can be seen at jiujitsu events manically and animatedly talking the ear off of some poor person.

  

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141. "The link to fitness/martial arts/mma is something few people discuss"
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And considering Colby "Chaos" Covington was one of Trump's guests and few people have noted that and even fewer have noted Trump's 'debate' style was very much like Covington's fighting style. Throw any and everything and suck up all the oxygen and just wear your opponent down and not allow them to get off their offense. But that's another discussion for another time.

What is critical is that CrossFit/Functional Fitness community has been a rallying point for all this as well. I was a CF trainer a lifetime ago when before it became what it became in terms of popularity. Remember, all of that shit rose to prominence in the years immediately following 9/11 when white anxiety and militarism were at a fever pitch. Glassman is an ardent racist but also a chickenshit lecher w/ so he came draped in libertarian garb. But we all know that Libertarianism is just the last refuge of crackers too cowardly to say what they really mean. You can't separate CF from the LEO/MIL community and they wouldn't want you to. You also can't separate the fitness community from the right because it tends to capture the minds of people who are receptive to conservative/right-wing ideals. In fact, Richard Spencer was one of the members of our gym before he rose to prominence. He was still pretending to be a libertarian at that point and would come to the gym wearing biking shorts and a Ron Paul for President t-shirt neither of which he ever watched.

So you had the forward facing CF community that covered itself in the flag and weaseled its way into the LEO/MIL/SOF world and on the flip side you had, in the shadows, the Irongarm forums of the world where the functional fitness folks who were diehard racists went united by their hatred for women, Black people and Crossfitters. And you see the transformation in gyms across the country what started as country and military flags hung from the rafters now hang alongside "Don't Tread on Me", "Molan Labe" and Blue Lives Matters flags. You see cars in the parking lot w/ "3 Percent" stickers. And to think, it all started with poorly programmed workouts and charging people an exorbitant amount for training.


On the MMA/BJJ side, people forget that the original practitioners who came to America were wealthy non-Black Brazilians. So the fact that Renzo is a fascist Bolsanaro supporting thug shouldn't be a surprise. The fact that Renner and Ryron have made much of their nut training/marketing to LEO/MIL/SFO should come as no surprise either. They have a whole collection of videos playing off the fears of cops getting attacked. They push Bullyproof to kids and turn right around to teach cops how to brutalize people. Sure there are gazillions of teachers and practitioners now all around the world. But the art grew and spread thanks to both the UFC (which the Gracies created to promote the art) and the Military/LEO communities. Again, physical practices and competition often find traction among those open to conservative ideas.

As far as the UCF, Dana White is an outright racist who cozied up to Trump years ago and they even released a documentary on how great a friend of Trump has been to the UFC just a few months ago around the time Trump was invited to the MSG card. MMA has always had a strong attraction amongst the white knuckle draggers of the world who tend to be white, not particularly wealthy, and fervently racist. There's a reason MMA's biggest forum is referred to as derisively referred to as Sherfront or Stormfront Lite. The political section, post-Ferguson and through the 2016 election was a breeding ground of racist/far-right sentiment, memes, and disinfo.

I know I'm ranting and much of this doesn't make sense. But it's been easy to track the rise of this stuff through the fitness/MMA communities. While the far-right was using religious organizations and punk shows to connect w/ people in the 80s/90s, these communities with their ubiquitousness and social media reach and strong ties to largely white, conservative as well as military and law enforcement communities proved invaluable in the 00's-'10s.

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144. "My man. This post deserves to be disseminated WIDELY"
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Honestly this captures the zeitgeist of how the fitness / martial arts / MMA / alt right / LE / military communities coalesce in this country.

That was not a ramble at all. And I honestly can't think of anything valuable to add other than personal observations because you've said everything there is to say, in a way that many would not understand without your knowledge.

It's gotten weird in my BJJ chat because now that there's not non-political stuff to talk about in a friendly way (training, who's an asshole at the gym, upcoming fights), the political sphere is one EVERYBODY seems unwilling to tackle. I'm not sure how some of the people I train with stand on this election and it makes me not want to fuck with them.

One of the blackbelts at my gym (also staff) has gone off the rails using his IG which attracted many in the BJJ community to propagate right wing conspiracy trash. And even though throwback pics were my only connection to practicing the art that I miss a lot right now, I had to unfollow. One of the guys in my chat from my school started a convo with him to try to steer him back to reality, thinking that was a better approach. Not sure if it worked. I doubt it.

I know other staff tend to be more left-leaning so I have no issues returning to my school, but all respect was lost for a few people during this BLM summer. It's my only positive meeting point with people in LE, so the school being gone while social media is still up and running has kind of hardened those lines that had become a little less rigid.

  

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147. "Bro, I mad I didn't even mention Gordon Ryan in BJJ"
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or Stefi Cohen in strength sports.

Your post about the BB on IG made me think of Ryan. Also, Danaher is suspect to me because he "left academia because it was becoming too PC"

But yeah, those situations like the one you described are fucking yikes.

And look, I'm all for diverse opinions and shit and agreeing to disagree but that's no longer feasible with this shit anymore. You gotta just cut people who are too far gone out. Because it's very difficult to compete with the deluge of reinforcing information.

I'd recommend the NY Time podcast because it goes into not just how the guy was radicalized but also how he was de-radicalized.

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151. "yeah man RGA is a hotbed of habitual line-steppers and guess what"
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the culture trickles down. Bolsonaro / Renzo connection really tells you what you need to know.

Danaher, Gordon, but also some of the other high-ups there.

My dude that went to Unity put a meme basically fuck RGA as a whole because of all the shit that was spreading after the George Floyd fallout.

I'm gonna check out that podcast right now right now

  

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143. "Also, it's not that they are radicalized by an episode of podcast"
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It's that because of the way information is consumed now that people go down, no pun intended, rabbit holes.

You think 30+ year old people aren't being radicalized? QAnon says what's up. Fam, there are "Q Orphans" because of parents being sucked so far into that shit their kids are effectively abandoned. Grandmothers/grandfathers, aunts, uncles all believing shit so insane that Eddie Bravo wouldn't bother to look into it. So I would say that hope is unfounded and I wouldn't bet my life or this country on it.

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146. "NGL I fucked with the Chapo reddit heavy"
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and now that it's been banned I recognize it colored my attitudes. Or should I say, gave me constant fuel for my deep-seated resentments and validation of my left-leaning upbringing.

And I'm for lack of better description a grown ass man.

so absolutely I'm not saying we are out of the water as malleable human minds when we hit 30 y.o. And the rabbit hole is deep. The red-pilling is convincing obviously. The alienation that is felt as a result of our current economic and social reality is aggravated and then exploited for political (and in the end monetary) gain.

But reading is harder than watching youtube vids, so people will accept what they are fed via the rabbit hole vs. going out and reading some books.

  

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149. "An added layer is that reading has been made more difficult"
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You're absolutely right as to the socio-economic conditions that have served as the foundation for much of this. Someone was saying the other day they were talking to their kid who is like in their teens/20s and that they were so detached from government because they'd never grown up in a functioning one since they came of age post-2010 when the Republicans gained control of the Senate. So they've never understood a government that 1. works 2. works for them. 3. Isn't actively working against them. That just isn't part of their reality. Now Black people, non-whites, LGBTQ folks (particuarly of color), Muslims etc have a deep, lived experience of that. But white folks? Nope, certainly not like this.


To add on to what you said about reading, I've been an avid and voracious reader all my life but it can take me hours to get through an article now due to the fact I lack the attention span to just sit down and read. So I start a lot of books and bounce around but finishing them becomes even more difficult. Just like everyone else failing to hold their head above water in the "attention economy"

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131. "That is right."
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Barstool is really similar. I'm a Boston guy who used to frequent the site but at a certain point I had to stop supporting cuz it was clear all the damage they were doing by pandering to these WS types.


>RE: It's not wild. JRE is a venue to launder/disseminate white supremacist ideals
>He's had:
>
>Gavin McIness
>Ben Shapiro multiple times
>Stefan Molyneuax twice
>Alex Jones multiple times (and also has been a guest on his
>show)
>Sam Harris
>Milo Yiannopoulos
>Charles C. Johnson
>Owen Benjamin
>Candice Owens
>
>His podcast is directly responsible for radicalizing an untold
>number of white supremacists (NY Times' "Rabbit Hole" podcast
>goes in-depth on one such case)
>
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135. "Yep"
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What people don't understand is how pervasive and wide spread this shit is and how it has been legitimized and funded by corporate interests (see: Spotify paying Rogan $100m).

This was the dream of these people back in the 80's/90's when the movement was much more isolated. Social media unleashed a monster that isn't going back under the bed and no longer needs to hide in the dark.



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139. "Right. And what's frightening is the lack of accountability."
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I understand money corrupts but at some point people like Portnoy (barstool clown) and Rogen need to be willing to acknowledge the influence they have and try and temper the negative reverberations that come from that. i.e. stop legitimizing right wing freakshows on your platforms by hosting them.

Barstool interviewed 45 a couple months ago, I saw. Made me roll my eyes but happy I'd long since stopped consuming their bullshit content.

Capitalism, man.

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170. "You're asking racist POS to not be racist POS"
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Rogan has them on because he wants them on. He'd keep having them on if his Spotify deal allowed.

Him and his whole menagerie of mediocre motherfuckers (which he dubbed the 'Death Squad' after 'Danaher's Death Squad' are shitbags. Every. Single. One.

Accountability? Come on now, you ain't gone too far see what it is.

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A lot of you players ain't okay.

We would have been better off with an okaycivics board instead of an okayactivist board

  

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174. "LOL well that's kinda the crazy part."
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These people actually *believe* that they're not racist at all.

>Rogan has them on because he wants them on. He'd keep having
>them on if his Spotify deal allowed.
>
>Him and his whole menagerie of mediocre motherfuckers (which
>he dubbed the 'Death Squad' after 'Danaher's Death Squad' are
>shitbags. Every. Single. One.
>
>Accountability? Come on now, you ain't gone too far see what
>it is.

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150. "Still wild to me GM was a part of late 90s, early 00s hipsters/Vice mag"
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https://soundcloud.com/swageyph/yph-die-with-me

  

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93. "RE: the most discussed moment is the white supremacy non-condemnation."
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The attack on Biden’s son will do more damage in that segment

  

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105. "Definitely that. I also worry about the green new deal remark "
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Kamala is for it but joe isn’t?

The left was pulling up his campaign website last night but I didn’t read into it any further

  

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192. "I think that's going to sink him in the end."
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This and COVID.

The usual Republican voters prefer dog whistles, not mega phones.

  

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91. "45 is sickening. That mess was a Crap Show!"
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That mess was wild.

  

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94. "Overall, this was beautiful. Im glad it happened this way."
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95. "lol. ok, I thought it was just me..."
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106. "I.. don’t know what to feel "
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Tho I’m closer to feeling embarsssed the world saw this

  

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111. "RE: I.. don’t know what to feel "
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>Tho I’m closer to feeling embarsssed the world saw this

Be glad the world saw this..its a negative for trump. Cmon.

  

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96. "Howard Dean is rolling in his grave "
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Remember when dudes entire career was trashed
because he made an unprofessional noise at a
rally?

I get that that was 78 years ago, but still.

40%+ of the country like that orange adderol fuck.

How? How??

(I know how but ...how? )

Unreal.

  

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98. "this tweet legit made me chuckle."
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https://twitter.com/Travonne/status/1311141917766238209

  

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99. "Joe, what did you do to stop the riots in Portland?"
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They realize he’s not POTUS...right...?

IDK why, maybe because it’s Fox, but that question was what stood out most to me

Absolutely f’n bonkers

What have Cheney and Gore done to stop the riots?

F’n ridiculous question

Wallace having to basically tell Trumpster to STFU, multiple times, is just flat out sad

That guy, THAT GUY, is POTUS

WTF

I was hoping Joe would explain herd immunity

At the current fatality rate, it will result in millions of deaths

Really think he missed an opportunity to hammer home the point that Trumpster is willing to sacrifice that many people’s lives...for money

Same on climate change

Trumpster is willing to let everyone die, if it benefits his bank account

If they didn’t prep those answers, that’s egregious

If he forgot...well yeah...he probably forgot.

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you can't understand it with an explanation

  

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103. "He didn't do poorly but he missed A LOT of opportunities"
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for retorts that would have laid waste to Trump's line of attack

I don't know whether it's just taking the high road or just not being able to muster up the venom to punch back quickly, but it's bad when you have Alisyn Camerota Wednesday morning quarterbacking potential clap-backs (I hate that word)



  

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bentagain
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104. "I don’t want to devolve into criticisms of Biden"
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I thought he did exceptional under the circumstances

...and I’m giving him a pass...

IMO, I think Trumpster attacks evoke Joe’s stutter

It looked like he was prepared for a back and forth

...but couldn’t get past stammering until Trumpster stopped talking...

He can do better and I’m confident he will

To your point and mine, it can’t be gotcha replies, clap backs, etc...

Joe needs to explain, as direct and simply as possible, what is and what is going to happen

I really don’t think a lot Trumpsters are considering the totality of what they’re supporting

For example, instead of distancing himself from the Antifa boogie man

Explain to America what it means to be anti-fascist

We fought 2 world wars against fascism

We use to be an Antifa country...until this POTUS

Antifa isn’t coming to the suburbs...Antifa is already there

It’s your grandfather or great grandfather

...something like that...

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T Reynolds
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119. "RE: I don’t want to devolve into criticisms of Biden"
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>I really don’t think a lot Trumpsters are considering the
>totality of what they’re supporting

Even these non-voter types. I've seen someone I know simplify Trump vs. Biden as Evil vs. Incompetent. If they took the opportunity to read about how Trump's business incompetence is now a matter a national security, they wouldn't even begin to simplify things in such a misguided way. Biden is old and not a great debater but to call him an incompetent politician?

>For example, instead of distancing himself from the Antifa
>boogie man
>
>Explain to America what it means to be anti-fascist
>
>We fought 2 world wars against fascism
>
>We use to be an Antifa country...until this POTUS
>
>Antifa isn’t coming to the suburbs...Antifa is already there
>
>
>It’s your grandfather or great grandfather
>
>...something like that...

Getting into defending fighting against fascism is then accepting that Antifa is a thing. It's not a thing. I liked the tack Joe took in saying it's an idea more than an organized group, which I think is supported by investigations handled domestically by the FBI. Defending the anti-fascist history of the US (exaggerated by Hollywood btw, Russians lost a lot more in the fight against Nazis, and the US has a good deal of fascism in its history) is then saying Antifa is righteous. He doesn't want to do that right now.

  

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122. "But that’s exactly what I mean about explaining in simple terms "
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The knee jerk distancing from the topic only furthers the lie.

Someone has to call bullshit.

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118. "He address this by saying he currently doesn't hold any office"
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>What have Cheney and Gore done to stop the riots?

Was literally joking w/ my lady about how it would be like Dick Cheney calling up the mayor of Chicago talking about "Okay, here's what you need to do at those shootings..."

  

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100. "despite my better judgement...I watched that shit storm. turrible...."
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there was no "winner"
but we're ALL gonna be at a loss no matter what based on what I saw and heard....

  

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101. "They keep trying the Socialism/fringe left thing on Joe"
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and it just doesn't stick


its interesting just how cancerous that term is in politics. Bernie is long gone yet his name and policy are one of the few weapons Trump and his team can try and use against Joe




  

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107. "RE: They keep trying the Socialism/fringe left thing on Joe"
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>and it just doesn't stick
>
>
>its interesting just how cancerous that term is in politics.
>Bernie is long gone yet his name and policy are one of the few
>weapons Trump and his team can try and use against Joe
>
>
>
>

Using both extreme ends for their bidding is DT/rebloodicans 101. It’s sad. He can’t stop saying radical left, but if you bring up radical right, stuttering/subject changing/lying/there’s good people on both side yawl.

  

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109. "He will use any insult he can to stop Biden from answering a question. "
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****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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108. "That shit was a mess but I fell out when Biden said..."
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The only way this guy would visit the suburbs is if his driver took a wrong turn.

****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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112. "Also the 'who's more suburban than me? I grew up there'"
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fortified his theme of connecting with the voters first and foremost

reminds suburban voters that he's one of them

  

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110. ""WILL YOU SHUT UP, MAN?" <--- best part of debate"
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114. "that and when he hit biden w/ the inshallah"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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115. "Yeah that one and the clown comment"
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“It’s hard to get any word in with this clown"

The town hall debate is next after the VP debate.


https://abc13.com/politics/2020-presidential-vp-debate-schedule-what-to-know/6392654/

The president and former VP will meet again for a town hall-style debate Oct. 15

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flipnile
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113. "TRUMP: Obama! 47 years Joe! Your son! Your son! Obama!"
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BIDEN: You're a fuck-up Don. You fuck everything up.

TRUMP: No, YOU fuck everything up!

BIDEN: We're gonna fix this. I love y'all, American people. Oh, and Don... you fuck everything up.

TRUMP: But your son got $3.5 million bro!

BIDEN: Shut the fuck up man.

  

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116. "Favorite part for me was when Biden defended his son"
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That real fire & passion came out. I felt him.

  

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117. "I wanna slap these "undecided" fools upside the head. how can you be..."
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"undecided" at this point

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

  

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126. "I think "undecided" is code for "I'm voting for Trump, but I don't want"
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Blowback for it.

  

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137. "basically "
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________________________________________
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

  

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142. "TRUTH TWINS ACTIVATE"
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145. "LOL !"
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157. "Yep, if you’re still undecided after watching trump last night "
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Then you are clearly voting for trump.

One candidate prepared and tried to get his message across. The other didn’t prepare and had still has no message or policy.

  

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175. "100%"
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anyone who believes a vote for Biden is choosing the 'radical left' is 100% voting for Trump

  

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120. "My first debate impression = meh. I don't think either looked as bad as"
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they could have. But I didn't feel like anyone "won" either *shrug*

Moderation was terrible, unfortunately. I know the consensus seems to be 45 is just too wild to be moderated effectively, but he debated plenty in '16 - both in the Repub primaries and the pres debates against Hilary - and I don't recall any of them being as difficult to watch. Things improved closer to the end, but Wallace should have put his foot down much earlier imho. I was also disappointed there wasn't a foreign policy segment, especially given the emerging war in the Caucusus region between Armenia and Azerbaijan (+ Turkey).

I think Biden's strongest point was when he was laying out the implications of 45s scotus pick. I think 45s strongest point, which ironically doesn't hit as strongly outside the debate setting, was when he challenged Biden on the left/socialist stuff. In a debate setting, Biden consistently responds by denouncing left policy priorities (eg. medicare for all, defunding/reforming police, expanding the court, etc) which kind of aggravates the fissure legacy dems are already so dismissive of. It's the first (and only) time I thought I saw something strategic from 45s end (eg. "You just lost The Left").***

In terms of low/unappealing/weak points, 45 obviously had too many to count. Biden, however, I wish would have hit back stronger when it came to the nepotism/corruption stuff. I realize he must have a personal boundary about going after folks' families, and that's very admirable, but omg was it aggravating to watch 45 talk so much shit about Hunter when there's way, way, WAY worse that's been reported and is literally being investigated right now pertaining to Jared, Ivanka, and both Kushner and Trump family businesses starting from before 45 was even inaugurated. It would have been so satisfying to see Biden address that shit thoroughly and scathingly; his camp should have a death blow prepared asap and maybe he can adjust his boundary to never "initiating". Because the family-run-government-business-foreign-investment mess is easily one of the most corrupt and indefensible aspects of the current admin and I'm certain 45 would never go there again if Biden unapologetically took them to task over that shit in front of the American people. Missed opprtunity.

So ya. Overall, meh. I'll keep watching them tho because it's difficult to find unbiased reporting/post-mortems these days lol


*** For example, I know more than one progressive for whom RGB's health/the scotus was pretty much the only thing motivating them to vote Biden. So now that that's gone, I wonder/worry whether getting Biden to repeatedly denounce the left-of-center electorate (which, tbf, he's all too eager to do) could actually turn off enough ppl (who are already unenthusiastic) to make a quantifiable difference in a close race. I think 45s camp *knows* these people likely wouldn't vote for him instead, but if he can trick Biden/legacy Dems into throwing them under the bus enough that more protest vote 3rd party or not at all, that serves his purpose. People lash out at the disaffected voters about this dynamic but I fault the Dems for playing into it in the first place.

  

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128. "It wouldn't work for Biden to go after Trump's family"
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Goes against his good character persona.

And I don't think it works for Trump either. He just looked like a bully. Especially when he brought up his son's cocaine problem

  

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133. "Like I said, I longed to see that *in response* to 45 going after Hunter..."
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I agree it's crass regardless, but if 45 was willing to open that box Biden could and should have called them out on their own blatant nepotism/corruption in response. I disagree it would have damaged his decency persona; a lot of it's well documented and would have been a huge issue in more normal times.


>Goes against his good character persona.
>
>And I don't think it works for Trump either. He just looked
>like a bully. Especially when he brought up his son's cocaine
>problem

  

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172. "Biden looked like a normal guy and a professional, so he won easily"
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Trump looked like an absolute lunatic. Pure chaos.

Trump isn’t really trying to win though, he’s trying to create chaos and stay in power by delegitimizing the results.

  

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121. "he said "racial sensitivty training" was racist and radical..the fuck?"
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How is teaching people to be aware "radical?"

And they didn't press him on that.

Biden in particular.

It's clear Trump gets more and more snippy the more you press him on shit.

The more snippy you make him look, the BETTER for Biden.

Trump thinks that bully shit makes him look tough, but Biden's need to show that it's only a defense mechanism hiding the scaredy cat Trump really is.

They have to tie his "snippy" to weakness.

Besides the clear policy differences, whenever Trump goes off the rail, push him harder and make him look as bad as possible.

  

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124. "Same way Obama was "radical" although he was centrist AF"
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The pure existence is considered radical by them.

_____________________________________

Let me guess, I can have "good day" now, right?

  

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127. "I liked the debate *shrug*"
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1) Yes, it was a sh*tshow...but the right kind, where Trump looks bad and Joe stands up to him. Hilary didn't know what she was up against and figured American Political Decency would rule the day. She was basically blindsided, not knowing she was a contestant on a reality show and needed to show personality to win. Joe had the info ammo already. Trump tweets out insults, carries them into his rallies and most people on the left seem reluctant to go in on him like he deserves. He's called Biden unintelligent several times over the last few weeks. So being called a fool, liar, clown and being told to shut up...by his democratic opponent...necessary.

2) The fact that this debate got such negative reviews but most still feel Biden won in a landslide helps IMO. That means the Trump team has to advise him on how to be more professional in these (it won't work but he should do it) and maybe the next few will have more policy discussion (though I'm not optimistic).

3) Biden missed a few opportunities. One of the ones I wish he'd touched on was that none of the Trump family has served the US, yet Trump has an opinion on Joe's family. Joe got visibly angry about that one. Joe also missed on calling Trump out for the 'sarcasm' rebuttle about his Covid messaging. Joe should have called him a liar because he wasn't being sarcastic and then pointed out that being sarcastic in the middle of a pandemic shows a poor lack of judgement and leadership when people are dying in any event.

4) Joe got hung up on the Law Enforcement endorsements challenge from Trump. He should have been more prepared for that. I do like that Joe said he'd give LEO more resources, like taking them out of situations that don't require their expertise and only using them for backup in those situations (It was a smart way to promote the defund agenda without scaring the people who are too lazy to research it). I also liked the community policing sentiment too. But mostly, I like that Trump didn't have ANY of those types of plans and just kept spouting "Law and Order, say it Joe". And Joe did say it.

5) Trump hung himself with the "Stand-down and Stand-by" comment. They'll spin it to him being misinterpreted but I think a lot of people got to see his true colors on that one.

6) Joe's infrastructure plan 'sounds' great but I don't think it'll make the in-roads he touts, mainly because there are powerful enemies of that course of action. It's exactly what we should be doing though.

7) I'm disappointed that there wasn't more talk about police reforms for accountability nor any discussion about changing some of the practices that threaten voting rights/improving the voting process. Hopefully some of these will be covered in the future. Next debate is a townhall so hopefully some of the audience members throw these out.

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140. "Biden wins instant polls. Winners in these surveys typically gain in po..."
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https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/presidential-polls-trump-biden?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage#biden-wins-instant-polls

Biden wins instant polls.

Winners in these surveys typically gain in post-debate polls.

In the wake of Tuesday’s messy debate, we get a different kind of survey: a so-called instapoll. This is a survey of people who tell a pollster they will watch a debate and agree to take a poll after the debate is over. These surveys are quirky in some ways, but they do a decent enough job of helping us gauge the effect of a debate. This time, the news was generally good for Joe Biden.
Instant Poll Surveys of Who Won the Debate
CNN
60% Biden
28% Trump
CBS
47% Biden
40% Trump
Data for Progress
51% Biden
39% Trump

Solid instant results for Biden. CNN found that Mr. Biden decisively won the debate, 60 percent to 28 percent, while CBS News and an early cut from a Data for Progress poll found far closer seven- and 12-point leads for Mr. Biden.

Why the huge spread? Instant-reaction poll samples can be pretty biased. Often, you’re looking at respondents who have negotiated three steps: They agree to take a poll before a debate; they agree to take a poll after watching a debate; they actually follow through and participate in the poll after the debate. They’re also people who have watched a debate, who aren’t representative of the overall electorate.

On top of that, pollsters have to decide whether or how to undo those biases. The CBS poll, for instance, weighted its sample to match the demographic composition of people who had said they would watch the debate. Data for Progress’s poll reflected the “2016 electorate,” which may make their numbers relatively comparable to national polls. CNN’s methodological document doesn’t make it entirely clear how their sample was adjusted to be representative of people who watched the debate. All of this can lead to a huge spread in the results.

A deeper look is still good news for Mr. Biden. With all of these factors at play, it can be hard to know what to make of the instant poll results. You might be tempted to just discount them altogether.

But a closer look in this case raises the possibility of good news for Mr. Biden. His favorability rating improved by a net four percentage points, compared with how the same respondents answered before the debate. The president’s rating declined by a net four points.

Similarly, the CBS poll found that voters said the debate made them think better of Mr. Biden by a margin of 38 percent to 32 percent, while just 24 percent said the debate made them think better of President Trump and 42 percent said the debate made them think worse of him.

The results are kind of useful. Historically, the winner of these polls tends to gain in the real polls over the next week. John Kerry, Barack Obama, Mitt Romney and Hillary Clinton all picked up a couple of points after debate performances that instant polls suggested they won.

This year, it’s hard to be sure whether to expect a similar shift. The national polls have been extremely steady compared with prior years (Mr. Biden has a consistent seven-point lead nationally in our average). And if there’s similar shift, it’s worth being cautious. It could just be the result of one candidate’s supporters being particularly energized or discouraged after a debate performance. We’ll have to wait a week or two before we know whether any post-debate shifts are durable.

The big picture: It’s hard to say anyone clearly won the debate last night, and that’s a win for Mr. Biden. He was the front-runner heading into the debate, and it was the president who needed a win to try to narrow the race. None of the instant poll results, whatever their merit, do much to dispel that view.

  

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148. "Colbert has a good segment (AND Public Enemy)"
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I think he hits the highlsits well erhe with clips from debate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3kkpVbOcsA

And Public Enemy feat. Cypress Hill & George Clinton "Grid"
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152. "what an embarrassing garbage fire. i'm furious. "
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trump sucked all of the air out of the room.
biden looked weak as fuck.

ugh.

you know...you know what fucks me up? Biden was trying to debate in an old school way, when words still mattered, truth was something to aim for, when there was a shred of respect. You can't come at Trump directly because he bends reality and responding to ANYTHING he says admits his reality and sucks you in. You have to approach him at an exact inverse - you can't ever bring logic to the table, ever.

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154. "Yea man. Biden played it the only way you really can IMO."
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>you know...you know what fucks me up? Biden was trying to
>debate in an old school way, when words still mattered, truth
>was something to aim for, when there was a shred of respect.
>You can't come at Trump directly because he bends reality and
>responding to ANYTHING he says admits his reality and sucks
>you in. You have to approach him at an exact inverse - you
>can't ever bring logic to the table, ever.

From the very minimal I saw. Spoke confidently and directly to the camera. Ignored orange squidbrain's baiting for the most part but dropped some gems when he needed to.

Total dumpster fire but Biden did what he should have done, having had to be there in the first place. Can't get in the mud with him, he'll win that battle everytime.

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155. "I guess whatever Biden does you'll think he's weak"
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What would it take? For his soul to be Freaky-Friday'd into the Dwayne "The Rock" Rock's body??

He called Trump a clown, told him to shut up, called him the worst president in US history, and still addressed issues and looked into the camera.

I guess there's literally nothing any Democrat can do to be strong.

Did you want him to hit Trump with a board????

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156. "You're responding to the wrong guy."
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I didn't call Biden weak.

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161. "Sorry, reply level +1 up"
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158. "I hate this idea of Biden being weak"
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Like handle says below, what did you want him to do? Go over there and punch trump? Shout him down? Throw a shoe at him?

He called Trump a clown and told him to shut up during the debate. What else should he have done and could have done to be “tough” and not “weak”?

I thought Biden was fine. He expressed his views, opinions and policies as best he could. He was able to get some good one liners in against trump.

  

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160. "I thought Biden did fine"
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Trump was himself which means he was a big asshole. Last night was a win for Biden.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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162. "Biden was fine. This idea that he looked weak is ridiculous"
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The only knock on Biden is his stammer.

He told Trump to shut up, called him a clown, joked him on never going to the suburbs unless if his driver made a wrong turn...

Biden was strong af.

Trump is just loud and boorish.

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159. "I voted for Warren in the primary but i can't even imagine that debate"
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aside from the bully factor, i think the radical left / antifa /socialist stuff would play more with her, and I feel like he'd roll over her like an 8th grade bully clowning his teacher.

probably the same with Bernie, he'd just get hammered repeatedly on socialism, or trying to picture someone bland like Kloubachar trying to use that dumb "hair in a blizzard" joke on him for the 40th time.

as much of a shit show this is, Biden's probably the right guy

  

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165. "While I originally thought Warren would get bullied"
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She can hold her own and talk her shit too

and bullying a woman like Warren and calling her Pocahontas wouldn’t have much of an impact and would hurt him IMO.

It doesn’t matter who is up there he is going to call them a radical leftist. It’s really about doing what Biden did and looking at the camera and addressing the people instead of getting into a back and forth with Trump.

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167. "i agree they'd call anyone that, but Biden has receipts"
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and a long record of being a middle of the road guy, that's why these never trumper David Frum types are cool with Biden in a way they may not have been with Warren or Bernie.

i think that radical socialist stuff was semi-effective against Obama but Obama was able transcend it with personality (also bringing Biden in). Part of why i say it was effective is that you had people on the left who act like Obama sold out once he got in office, when he presented himself as a centrist the entire time. Like even they somehow bought into fox news obama.

Warren *can* talk shit, but just from the clips i've seen of this debate, i don't see it going well for her

  

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164. "whats the data on post debate poll numbers?"
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is there ever a bump? does the bump hold?

  

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166. "#140"
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That NYT analysis is all I saw so far

  

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168. "Debate Commission to add new "rules to maintain order" (LINK)"
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Unless it involves fitting Drumf with a shock-collar, I don't see how it's going to do anything. Even if they found a way to mute his mic when it wasn't his turn, he'd still scream and shout like a aggrieved infant.

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-alliance-pennsylvania-a4b21a1b5756d6b829fea8299205d0c2?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter

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173. "If he gets “muted” enough times, he should be kicked out"
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And from there, Biden gets to make whatever points he wants to make, and then when he’s done with that, it’s over.

  

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176. "yes please"
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177. "Problem is that President Dingus is going to have to agree to any..."
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...rule changes, and you can easily see him framing any efforts to mute his mic as, "See! Rigged! They're trying to make it easier for Sleepy Joe! It's unfair to me!"

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178. "Tell him to write a book about it, and fuck off"
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He’s not gaining any sympathy “that’s not fair to Trump!” votes at this point. He’s got his base, and everybody else hates him and would enjoy seeing him get muted and booted.

If he doesn’t agree, then just don’t have any more debates. Having him out there acting like a fucking idiot and sabotaging the whole event doesn’t need to happen again though. We’ve seen who he is. Would be a waste of everyone’s time to see it again.

  

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180. "the trump campaign is refusing to agree to the new rules."
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which they will prolly use as a pretense to not participate in the next 2 debates.

i figured they would find a way to weasel out of future debates if they didnt like the outcome of the first one.

  

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181. "Remember when they wanted a 4th debate?!?!"
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Trump might as well go full Clint Eastwood and debate an empty chair at this point.

  

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182. "they thought debates would hurt biden because hes senile."
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they forgot who *their* candidate is lol.

  

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169. "run the numbers, papi..."
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179. "what you need sis?"
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195. "just making sure you’re around to feed us..."
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183. "next debate is town hall format."
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which biden absolutely kills every time out.

and trump...well we see how his abc town hall turned out.

  

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185. "Yea Biden will dominate. ....... if Trump partakes."
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>which biden absolutely kills every time out.
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>and trump...well we see how his abc town hall turned out.

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184. "Trump's not really running against Biden"
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He's running against the election altogether. He wants to drag everything and everyone into the swamp, and contingencies need to be in place to deal with a Trumpian seizure of power, while holding the election to be illegitimate. This dude really is an authoritarian.

This dude ain't at all opposed to instituting a coup to keep him in power. He's telling them to "standby" - and the crazy thing about it is that there are thousands (maybe even millions) of armed supporters who would take up arms on-demand.

I thought Biden comported himself well, actually. That was an absolute chaotic mess, and to me Biden checked a lot of boxes that needed to be checked against Trump:

(1) he was effective in pivoting to the people and describing Trump as the elitist oligarch that he is. One of the more effective lines to me was when Biden looked into the camera and said "this isn't about my family, it's about your family" - directly after Trump kept trying to bait him with gradeschool level immaturity about his son.

(2) Biden fought back. I don't like that he apologized for calling Trump a clown. This is a fight as much as it's a debate, and Biden was not about to get bullied - and at times - he bullied the bully, which was effective.

(3) Biden made the case that he's at least capable of stopping the bleeding, and putting the country back on a more upright trajectory. His policy outlines were pretty abysmal, and he still doesn't seem to be able to find the balance between progressive policy and packaging it in a way that doesn't frighten moderates. But he was able to give people some straighttalk plainspeak that I think assured a lot of voters that he's a veteran who knows how make government function again.

I've obviously been very critical of Biden and have been underwhelmed by the Dem strategy thus far - but I do think Biden clearly emerged as the more fit candidate by all objective measures last night.
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186. "I'm with you - just one thing though: he didn't "emerge" last nite."
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>but I do think
>Biden clearly emerged as the more fit candidate by all
>objective measures last night.

He was very much already, by every single objective and measurable standard, the more fit candidate.

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196. "Biden had a few moments of egging him on..."
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it was Biden that exposed the PB comment.
“say it, say it”

although there the mention about the 750 in taxes, Biden interruptions were, “release your taxes”

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187. "3rd most watched debate since 1976."
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https://twitter.com/david_marcelis/status/1311474358041411586
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With 73.1 million TV viewers, last night’s Biden-Trump debate was the third most-watched first presidential debate since 1976, according to Nielsen--trailing only the Trump-Clinton contest in 2016 and the Reagan-Carter debate of 1980. By @BenMullin

https://t.co/yvo9Plqa9t

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190. "TV Ratings: First Presidential Debate Draws Big but Down From 2016 Recor..."
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TV Ratings: First Presidential Debate Draws Big but Down From 2016 Record

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/tv-ratings-tuesday-sept-29-2020-presidential-debate-1

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188. "Proud boys already embracing stand down and stand by"
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https://youtu.be/GlyNq9diR9Q?t=106

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189. "biden with the best fundraising day of the entire cycle."
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Confirmed: Biden campaign raised $21.5 million online today, their best day of the 2020 race

This comes after they raised $10 million in a 3-hour window around last night's debate

Roughly $31.5 million raised in a ~24 hour period

(First reported by @ShaneGoldmacher)
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191. "What I hate about this, is that it gives me hope lol ;,("
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194. "Ken Bone says Biden won"
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yeah, fuck that guy, who cares, etc.. When someone mentioned the myth of the undecided voter i wound up googling him.
https://twitter.com/kenbone18/status/1311134370435137536

I'm not gonna check on Joe the Plumber, or that girl that carved a backwards B in her face. I'm sure they're team Trump because if not he's in trouble.

  

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197. "#DebatingWhileDem: Jaime Harrison brought his own plexiglass shield"
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to debate Lindsey Graham:

https://twitter.com/joncoopertweets/status/1312728048404496387

which is not only brilliant, but should perhaps be adopted by others (eg. Biden, Harris, etc) for the rest of the cycle? Since anything multiple Repubs attend seem to turn into superspreader events lol

  

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198. "That shit was *chef's kiss*"
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Lindsey was panicked and resorted to spewing conservative/rightwing trigger word-salad. "I'm with the cops!" "You can find me with the cops!" "AOC" "Socialized medicine" "Immigrants", etc.

Whenever, shit got real he would call out Tim Scott's name like that nigga is base in a game of racist tag. I haven't seen a white man get that much use out of a Black dude since Roots. Hope he tips his bootlicking-ass extra.

Harrison missed some golden opportunities to really ram shit down his fucking throat and relied a little too much on the "Well my granddad/grandmom..." anecdotes that, in at least one case, cost him the chance to finish his answer. But he did very well and that plexiglass shield was brilliant.

Lindsey is a fucking shell of a human being. I hope Harrison tightens a few things up and really breaks that motherfucker.

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199. "theres been a consistent bump in polls for biden post-debate."
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rcp average margin for biden shot up about 2 points in just a matter of days.

seniors coming more into the biden camp in a significant way.

while pundits keep saying everyones mind is made up and debates dont really matter...apparently there are plenty of voters that think differently.

  

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200. "VPs tonight."
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206. "what’s wrong with dude?"
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smh

  

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201. "I don’t trust any of these elections “prognosticators” on CNN..."
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especially this dude with the white hair. They were all looking silly 4 years ago. People lie in polls. People lie about who they are voting for especially when it comes to DT. A lot of the “cool” white folks that you think you know that would never vote for DT did and will again.

I don’t get these “undecided” props either.

And we can see now that there will be no “peaceful” transfer of power. They will have to drag him out kicking and screaming.

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202. "Pence so fuckin ugly, lol"
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...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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203. "Lol...not as wild, but still overrunning the moderator"
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204. "LOL, do as we say, not as we do ass answer"
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205. "right...ain’t say shit in the time he was supposed to"
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209. "No more white moderators "
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they aren't built for this.

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207. "pence just be calmly answering questions that werent even asked."
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nigga talk for so long that you forgot what he was even supposed to be talking about.

  

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208. "Lol...breh ain’t even trying to answer what was asked"
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213. "dude will deflect, redirect, and flat out lie for an entire debate."
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and the press afterwards will still praise him for his steady unflappable presidential demeanor.

  

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216. "That's why I think Kamala's strategy needs to be to continuously call ou..."
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Or better yet call him out for not even trying to answer the question asked.

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210. "Mannn my blood boils."
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Had to turn it off but this description lightened my mood lol. It's so true.


>RE: pence just be calmly answering questions that werent even asked.
>nigga talk for so long that you forgot what he was even
>supposed to be talking about.

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Reeq
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214. "its frustrating."
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mostly cuz a lot of post debate commentators will ignore it lol.

  

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Reeq
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211. "kamala needs to stop grinning and giggling."
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thats one of my pet peeves about her.

she can come off as if shes not a serious person.

as a black woman...she gotta work overtime on showing that she is focused and qualified.

a lot of people are viewing this as a lightweight audition for the oval office too.

gimme that steely prosecutor kamala from the senate hearings. not corny but cool aunt kamala.

  

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215. "If that’s the only critique, all good, but she BODYING this dude...."
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When she speaks, she’s carving dude like a Thanksgiving Turkey.

  

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217. "yeah its not the worst ‘negative’ in the world."
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but you know how ‘these’ folks are.

  

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221. "I can sense she has that “I know the answer to this question” giddy"
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I feel that...Lol

But I don’t think it will be a turnoff to anyone other than people that don’t like uppity negros, who as we all know, ain’t fuckin with Biden/Harris to begin with.

  

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212. "Pence getting spanked"
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218. "Does Pence have pinkeye??"
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219. "he def got something going on there."
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220. "He has corona eyes"
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222. "Lol"
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226. "Lmao "
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230. "shit that might not even be a joke."
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https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200401/pink-eye-often-a-symptom-of-covid-19#1

  

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233. "Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha"
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I just read that in the singing version of "Bette Davis Eyes", lol.

"He'll turn his music on you, you won't have to think twice, he's yellow as New York snow, he got Corona eyes" ha ha ha ha ha.


https://tinyurl.com/y4ba6hog

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& your fool ass is cruising around in a time machine
trying to collect props for a couple of sociopathic degenerates" - s.blak

  

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223. "Kamala in that ass "
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I can’t relate to those of you who don’t root for her


Some of us raised differently though.

  

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224. "She up there taking notes, literally...while dude talking "
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225. "Time limits are too short for both, "
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so they are both going to go past it. However, Pence has been way more excessive. But it has not been too crazy. The debate has been pretty fair and clean for the most part.


I give her the edge, but her facial expressions aren’t doing her any justice. It comes off as informal and immature.

The Coronavirus situation is a huge power card that she has, because the administration is failing us before our very eyes.

But she stumbled on the China Trade War situation, because that really comes out of the Obama camp. He allowed China to continue steal intellectual property from business based in China, as well as China taking percentages of ownership from those companies. Obama did nothing. China has been manipulating and violating the trade agreement for decades....I think that is the only power card that the trump administration has.

  

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227. "Harris needs to keep pivoting to covid, no matter the topic"
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Economy->covid
Iran->covid
Fracking->covid

Pence looks so weak and uncomfortable when it comes up

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228. "Exactly!"
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That’s a huge power card that pence can’t avoid.

I’m like why is she talking about foreign policy and China? ..and she stumbled on it .
That is a weak spot for democrats because Obama didn’t nothing.

Pence immediately jumped all over that...

  

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231. "Mother - > Covid "
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229. "Real quiet tonight for the Kamala is a cop crowd "
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237. "theyre somewhere getting mad that she isnt pushing a fracking ban"
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while trying to win pa, oh and tx.

  

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232. "these old ass white ppl gotta stop being the gatekeepers of our politics..."
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these ‘respect the office’ types that just completely defer to power and let niggas do whatever they want then thank them for allowing you to do your job.

what the fuck even is the point of being a moderator if you arent gonna moderate? dont enforce the time allotment. dont tell folks to stick to the topic in the question. might as well just have questions pop up on the screen then.

  

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234. "Both are tremendously exceeding their time limit."
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It’s not too bad. But some actually use it as a tactic to show that they are not easily backed down.

But Pence has been excessive with it.

Good debate so far. Edge to Kamala


  

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"Fine people on both sides huh"


  

          

Nah, Pence is going way over.

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244. "Oh he has been way more excessive."
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But they have both constantly went over, and have been warned.

It’s just a part of debating. Plus the 2 mins and 15 second response times are too short.

Shes’s closing well though.

  

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235. "I thought we were any to get a Few Good Men moment from Harris"
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Pence: are you going to pack the court?
Harris: Lemme tell you about packing the court
Pence: Are you going to pack the court?!?!

Harris: https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BlissfulImperturbableCivet-max-1mb.gif

  

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236. "That Fly is the MVP LOLOLOLLOLOL"
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240. "this debate is a disaster for pence in terms of memes lol."
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the eye and the fly.

  

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243. "BARS"
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Hahahahaha

  

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250. "lol"
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246. "someone on twitter said "that's Pence's one black friend""
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I spit out my drink

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249. "Hahahaha."
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266. "the fake woke warriors on twitter:"
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https://twitter.com/BlairImani/status/1314044673728552960
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248. "whoever is running Biden's twitter account should get a raise"
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https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1314031047013732352?s=20

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252. "Yea that was brilliant."
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256. "double tap."
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https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1314033841661767680

  

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270. "Social media team has been so on point too"
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238. "What’s in his hair?"
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239. "Fly’s love shit"
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241. "a fly. they are attracted to shit. "
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245. "Me to everyone in the house: https://gfycat.com/palatablebronzeappaloosa..."
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https://gfycat.com/palatablebronzeappaloosa-kevin-hart

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251. "Shit was funny but I hate how that seems to be the takeaway "
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Not directed at you at all


Just an early observation from social media too

  

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254. ""Pence's fly respected the time limit more than he did.""
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https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1314029118279897089?

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242. "That fly on Pence lol Pestilence "
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If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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247. "Pence using Rat Face talking points against her lmao "
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She’s a cop!

  

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Reeq
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253. "twitter is seriously uplifting my spirits tonight."
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like the good ol days.

feels like everyone came out of the woodwork just to shit on pence.

  

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255. "Haha same here. I've cackled several times tonite."
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Reeq
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257. "jeff goldblum is trending on twitter fam lol."
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258. "I need some Breaking Bad “The Fly” edits"
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261. "LMAO yo good call! nm"
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But hell, what do I know?

  

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263. "How about this?"
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https://twitter.com/sepinwall/status/1314033170149453826

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307. "I like it! Wish Pence’s head was edited in for Walt’s"
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259. "fly attracted to his dead ass soul. this shit was hilarious. "
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peace & blessings,

x.

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260. "ni&&a lookin like he wearin a Edgar suit. face all smooth and wrinkly"
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as fuck around the neck where that shit zip up.


peace & blessings,

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264. "He's even got the eye thing going on."
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https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119654/mediaviewer/rm1042767360

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271. "0"
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kfine
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262. "I've had my gripes with KH, but got to say I was pleased with her debate"
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performance tonight.

I think it was also just refreshing to watch a functional debate too, tho. Compared to the first pres debate anyway. It's almost like this was the real debate between the 2 tickets.

Anyway, I thought KH was clearly much better prepared for this debate than any during the primaries, and MP definitely had to work a little bit. She's not great on-the-fly and MP exploited that a couple of times, but she definitely delivered on covid and economic policy. I think those were her strongest segments and, frankly, the messaging I wish Biden had articulated as competently against 45.

I do think MP pinned her in a bit on foreign policy tho. And the criminal justice segment was pretty cringe. I mean he's terrible on it as well, and I think his denial of racist policing is about as offensive as 45 barely denouncing white supremacist groups last debate. But it was kind of difficult to watch her defend/gloss over certain aspects of her and Biden's own skeletons in that arena. It obv wouldnt lose her the debate in my eyes, but that's just a segment for which I'd prefer to withhold points from either side.

So ya. Decent. With everything going on, I wouldnt even be mad if Biden decides to pull out of debating 45 next week due to his covid. I'm satisfied. If they can fit in the last one cool, but not if it's gonna be damn near unwatchable like the first one.

  

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Reeq
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265. "mayor pete got em speechless."
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https://twitter.com/TheRickyDavila/status/1314051953790345219

dude kills every fox news appearance ive seen him in.

he was really the most talented retail politician in the primary field.

i hope he can get his career restarted (and not just in a biden administration).

  

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268. "chef’s kiss clip of the day"
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269. "Dude has a long career ahead of him"
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281. "Damn Pete! THAT ETHER, THAT SHIT THAT MAKES YOUR SOUL BURN SLOW!"
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________________________________________
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284. "Saw this and agree with everything you said."
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Reeq
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267. "dem campaign fundraising tonight outpacing night of biden/trump debate."
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https://twitter.com/schwartzbCNBC/status/1314050366707728386
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NEW: @actblue has processed close $9 million from the start of the debate until now. The total from the night of @KamalaHarris's VP debate performance could actually end up raising more for @JoeBiden's campaign then from the night of his debate with Pres. Trump.
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Reeq
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272. "2nd debate changed to virtual. trump says he isnt participating."
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https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1314171370885050368
https://twitter.com/business/status/1314175774111551488
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BREAKING: The second debate between President Trump and Joe Biden will be virtual, with candidates in "separate remote locations" while the moderator is in Miami.

Biden previously stated there should be no debate if Trump is still positive for #COVID19.

BREAKING: Trump says he won’t participate in the second scheduled debate with Biden after the organizing group said it would be held remotely

https://t.co/rsfNsjslBs

video:
https://twitter.com/revrrlewis/status/1314174783500808194
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trump needs the debate more than biden does. hes down by a lot and anything that makes trump look like a quitter (like pulling out of stimulus talks) only compounds this.

biden should still show up and get the widespread broadcast reach for essentially a solo virtual townhall (which is his most comfortable format).

itd basically be a free campaign ad with 10s of millions of viewers.

  

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273. "Trump may be a corpse by that debate..."
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...but even if he's not, his breathing will be labored and will be even more of a mental mess ...no way he can do a debate ..but i'd love to see that piece of shit try and fail again



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274. "this is a great idea"
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>biden should still show up and get the widespread broadcast
>reach for essentially a solo virtual townhall (which is his
>most comfortable format).
>
>itd basically be a free campaign ad with 10s of millions of
>viewers.

  

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287. "it is"
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is it an option?

  

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275. "Good. Biden should do another Town Hall event of his own"
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navajo joe
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285. "or just show up to the debate lol "
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Like Reeq said. I didn't know that the show just goes on regardless. Good.

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Reeq
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276. "republicans taking the entire mask off."
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https://twitter.com/SenMikeLee/status/1314089207875371008

  

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278. "rEPublIc NoT a dEmOCracy"
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the dumbest of all talking points (which is a feat)

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279. "Wow"
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280. "How can this even be real??"
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...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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283. ""If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically...."
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"If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy."

David Frum (don't taze me for the source)

  

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277. "imagine a non white man or woman saying "
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"phuck this shyt i'm not doing this debate on virtual, i got other shyt to do"

take a message

  

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282. "Harris got these white folks, well, being white folks"
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The genius of her selection (and the manner in which it was announced leaving the Trump campaign flat-footed) gets lost in the craziness of this election. But last night's debate performance, the subsequent energizing/fundraising as well as the fallout (Aka telling on themselves) from conservatives.


Take the case of author and obvious Blacked.com subscriber Harlan Z. Hill
https://twitter.com/Bernstein/status/1314085180848697344?s=20

which, as bad as it is not nearly as bad as Megyn Kelly's take which was, for lack of a better word, just outright rapey. A worse, more racist and misogynistic take has not been made. Good job white woman.

https://twitter.com/HeyLockett/status/1314186041553612801?s=20

Plus, you have Trump calling Harris a "monster" multiple times because, for all his faults, he at least knows you can't say "nigger" on live TV.

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286. "i thought harris did well"
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i wasnt sure what to expect. i think i had only seen her debate in the primaries and that wasnt the best environment with so many people. i could nitpick a few things but overall i think she was very effective.

its always crazy watching the GOP stick to talking points and just ignore reality. im guessing that works well for the base.

i feel like harris actually made a play for undecided voters while pence just tried to focus on trying to scare away progressives from voting for biden/harris.

although she wasnt my ideal option in the primaries i do think harris made a solid case to be president last night. i could see her stepping into it on the first day. thats pretty much goal #1 for a VP right? to reassure people that they could do the job if something happened to the president.

i feel pence would somehow be more incompetent than trump.

  

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288. "I fell asleep"
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missed the fly

One thing that stood out is Pence looked pale as fuck. I think he is sick.

and dude kept talking about that damn 2,000 tax break for every question.

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289. "She did OK..."
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She missed a ton of opportunities to point out that Pence never answered the question that was asked.

To be fair, there were spots where she did the same thing (the packing the Supreme Court issue stood out to me). But what made it so glaring for Pence is that he would go off into tangents on a completely unrelated topic.

But in general, she sounded strong & confident and had a solid command of the issues. I don't think this debate will move the needle in any direction though.

  

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290. "to be honest they both frustrated me by not answering the questions"
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i dont know which voters actually care about court packing. that really seems like a gotcha GOP talking point.

i do think biden/harris need to prepare an answer to it. what theyre doing right now does not look good. something along the lines that they are open to using their full powers under the constitution to reflect the will of the people since the GOP is not interested in doing so.

i definitely would have liked for harris to call pence out more but overall she stayed focused on the message that she needed to.

i think the pundits are right that this didnt change any minds which means its a win for biden/harris as they are in the lead.

  

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291. "Yea and she could've hammered home more COVID-related shit too"
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She brought up the Pandemic Response Team that Obama/Biden had in place, that Orange Hitler gutted in 2018, leading to ... this. But she stumbled on it so I don't think it resonated like it should've.

She should've just kept hammering that home, and the Woodward stuff. I was just saying to my friend, there's *SO MUCH* to hammer them on when it comes to COVID it's gotta be hard to remember it all. So in debate prep they should've told her to just hone in on the two points above, and maybe one more. And just keep repeating them.


> She missed a ton of opportunities to point out that Pence
>never answered the question that was asked.
>
> To be fair, there were spots where she did the same thing
>(the packing the Supreme Court issue stood out to me). But
>what made it so glaring for Pence is that he would go off into
>tangents on a completely unrelated topic.
>
> But in general, she sounded strong & confident and had a
>solid command of the issues. I don't think this debate will
>move the needle in any direction though.

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294. "I was underwhelmed "
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As others have pointed out she could have hammered him more on COVID.

  

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308. "Yeah - Pence may have lied about everything he said all night"
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Rather than just sarcastically laugh at him, I would’ve preferred her to make a scene over and over about how he just lied - and give the facts. She did it a few times, but he literally lied the entire night.

I did like he she spoke down to him with the “I’m speaking” thing, and how she eventually made the point to the moderator how he kept going over and eating up all of her time, so she was going to finish her point.

She could’ve done better. However, Pence looked horrific. He was just as dishonest and nearly as obnoxious about ignoring the rules as Trump.

  

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310. "Yep pretty much what I was saying - I agree."
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>Rather than just sarcastically laugh at him, I would’ve
>preferred her to make a scene over and over about how he just
>lied - and give the facts. She did it a few times, but he
>literally lied the entire night.

At some point she needed to get to her and Joe's plans but hammering him on his lies would've been better than letting them go unchecked.

Like I kinda mentioned already, the lies are so obvious at this point I was able to identify and develop responses to refute his lies in real time sitting on my fucking couch. She could've taken 5 seconds to call him out everytime before getting to her answer.

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295. "I thought so too..."
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298. "Nitpick, but i get soo annoyed about the China travel ban response"
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this is both for Joe and Kamala.

That's 2x that they've let Trump's team tout their China travel ban as some super effective measure against the spread of the virus without really addressing the levels of bullshit contained within that statement.

One - it wasn't a complete ban, we let Amercians go back and forth with not check, no screening, no nothing, so basically we just let Americans go get the disease and spread it around.

Two - even if he had advocated for a more robust travel ban with American's best interests at heart, he blew all his credibility with previous racist attempts at travel bans against muslims and people from 'shithole countries'.

Three - the larger majority of spreading came from Europe, so targeting china, while not including european travel is either massive incompetence in terms of understanding the disease or racism- but really it was definitely both.

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299. "Yep yep yep. So many unchecked lies. They need to be better prepared for..."
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I was responding to the lies in real time on my couch. They're so easy.

It seems like there's a robotic nature to both Kamala and Joe in these moments. Like they're checking boxes in their head before they respond. "Look at the camera. Address the people. Ignore the rhetoric. Ignore the interruptions. Don't lose focus."

It all comes off so unnatural. I understand not wanting to just get into a spitfire tit for tat so the general public doesn't view the debate as just one big argument. But there's a better balance to be achieved.


>this is both for Joe and Kamala.
>
>That's 2x that they've let Trump's team tout their China
>travel ban as some super effective measure against the spread
>of the virus without really addressing the levels of bullshit
>contained within that statement.
>
>One - it wasn't a complete ban, we let Amercians go back and
>forth with not check, no screening, no nothing, so basically
>we just let Americans go get the disease and spread it around.
>
>
>Two - even if he had advocated for a more robust travel ban
>with American's best interests at heart, he blew all his
>credibility with previous racist attempts at travel bans
>against muslims and people from 'shithole countries'.
>
>Three - the larger majority of spreading came from Europe, so
>targeting china, while not including european travel is either
>massive incompetence in terms of understanding the disease or
>racism- but really it was definitely both.

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300. "Pence touted the Average Savings from Trump's tax cuts too"
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The word 'average' was doing sooo much heavy lifting in his bullshit statement. Cuz trust, we're not out here seeing that $4000 savings. That average is heavily skewed by the super wealthy who got millions in savings.

Kamala and Biden seem to be doing ok in this race, but they kind of need to get their shit together.

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301. "For real. It's all very, very easy to refute."
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>The word 'average' was doing sooo much heavy lifting in his
>bullshit statement. Cuz trust, we're not out here seeing that
>$4000 savings. That average is heavily skewed by the super
>wealthy who got millions in savings.
>
>Kamala and Biden seem to be doing ok in this race, but they
>kind of need to get their shit together.

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311. "what was up with the "explanations" harris did?"
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they seemed very awkward and unneeded to me. i think one was explaining what being in debt meant and i forgot the second one. both seemed like very simple concepts that did not need to be explained. seemed forced.

on ABC they did an interview with someone later and they pointed out the explanations and how they loved that she did it.

  

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312. "I think, to emphasize it..."
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like the power behind her, “they’re coming for you” statement.

  

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313. "i dont know"
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the coming for you was one of the best moments.

these were just weird, didnt really seem to make a bigger point when explaining them. it feels like she was told there were certain things she should explain in simple terms but she chose two things that didnt need a simple explanation.

  

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292. "Biden requests rescheduling of 2nd Debate to 10/22 "
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Will do his own event on 10/15

Statement by Biden for President Deputy Campaign Manager and Communications Director Kate Bedingfield

"Joe Biden was prepared to accept the CPD's proposal for a virtual Town Hall, but the President has refused, as Donald Trump clearly does not want to face questions from the voters about his failures on COVID and the economy. As a result, Joe Biden will find an appropriate place to take questions from voters directly on October 15th, as he has done on several occasions in recent weeks. Given the President's refusal to participate on October 15th, we hope the Debate Commission will move the Biden-Trump Town Hall to October 22nd, so that the President will not be able to evade accountability. The voters should have a chance to ask questions of both candidates, directly. Every Presidential candidate since 1992 has participated in such an event, and it would be a shame if Donald Trump was the first to refuse."

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293. "10/22 is too soon"
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Trump will still be contagious.

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296. "I think they should cancel the third debate and postpone the "
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Town hall but do not let Trump out of the town hall event.

  

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297. "He should have kept the virtual town hall for next week, without 45"
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and just used the free air time to drive home Trump not wanting to take direct questions from the people.

  

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302. "Yeah, I agree"
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303. "yep, i agree"
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305. "Biden to participate in ABC Town Hall October 15 (link):"
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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/520244-biden-to-participate-in-abc-town-hall-oct-15-in-lieu-of-trump-debate

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306. "Oh thank goodness"
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I was hoping he would keep it

  

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304. "this is a misstep"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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309. "I would rather keep this and reschedule and drop the 3rd debate"
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Which is what I believe his campaign is pushing for.

  

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314. "Commission cancels second Presidential debate (link):"
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https://www.kron4.com/news/national/second-presedential-debate-cancelled/

So, no joint town hall then I take it ...?

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315. "Tonight is gonna be an even bigger shit show, right?"
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I don't know. On the one hand, Trump's belligerence in round 1 was almost universally panned. So I would think he'd tone done a bit.

But on the other hand, it seems like they want to amplify this Hunter Biden stuff. And the only way that happens is by throwing the debate off the rails.

How should biden respond (cause you know it's coming)?

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316. "Like last time.. turn to the camera and speak about real ass issues"
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Niggas out here hurting.. pockets thin af and these propel talking about a laptop?

What’s up with the ACA, stimulus checks, covid numbers?

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330. "pretty much"
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stick to the script

  

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321. "RE: How should Biden respond?"
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Give Trumpster the rope to hang himself IRT the laptop

AFAIK, there wasn't anything illegal in the contents

The 'gotcha' was a perception of impropriety IRT setting up a meeting or Joe lied about being involved in his son't business

Yeah, let that play all the way out...so you're telling me it's improper for a POTUS to profit from the office...do tell me more

Very tongue in cheek...that's how I'd play it...and then tie it to Russia/election interference

I think alot of people, as with most of these click bait stories, don't actually know the particulars of the story

They're giving us a thread, I say pull on it.

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317. "not sure why im watching tonight but i sure will be"
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318. "Fascinated to see how the muting plays out "
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319. "I can't watch"
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I'll watch wrap-ups - I don't need to see it live.

Likely it'll be more of the same.

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320. "Correct."
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322. "i got through less than 30 seconds of the last one"
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somehow i feel like this mute thing is gonna make it even more disastrous

  

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323. "Trumpster gon' pull out Chip Kelly play call cards"
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325. "HS friend-turned-MAGAite posted a photoshopped meme on FB"
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of Agent Orange holding up a sign reading "Where is Hunter?" captioned something along the lines of "Our President when his mic is muted tonight!!!"

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324. "oh, I’m watching..."
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Love watching him make a fool of himself

  

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326. "I'm pretty nervous about it. Not sure why. "
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I just really don't want Biden to fumble the bag at this point. Putting him in a debate with Trump in full on 'Al Pacino at the end of Scarface' mode is a pretty unpredictable situation.

In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
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329. "the mute button, it will be interesting to see how that works out lol"
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327. "such a mistake for Biden to do this imho"
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331. "Same."
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328. "I'm watching for context"
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People get there news from headlines or clips. Yes the more important parts are shown in the clips, but regardless, the context is important.

I watched the leaked 60 min interview, this dude does nothing but bitch and moan. Fuck, I can't wait for his voice to be gone.

If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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332. "Trump going back to 2016 playbook. Surprise guest and press conference"
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Just like the surprise press conference of Bill Clinton's accusers in 2016.

Problem is, all this stuff is so convoluted it's hard to even see what they are alleging. Even if everything their talking about is real (and not counterfeit), we still just have some vague suspicion of corruption.

Contrast that with sexual assault which everyone can understand


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/president-trump-plans-to-bring-hunter-biden-associate-tony-bobulinski-as-guest-to-debate

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333. "This is the guy who’s the subject of an WSJ article about Hunter Biden"
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Which was mentioned in the other Hunter Biden post. Probably ways something that the WSJ hasn’t published it yet.

This type of thing didn’t tips the scales in 2016 either. This is just dipshit frantically trying to capture another scandal, except no one gives a single solitary fuck.

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334. "Dangerous game Biden is playing here"
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I was originally on the "if Biden doesnt do more after the first debate, he'll look weak" train. But after Trump caught COVID that shit changed. he has a 2-0 lead if you count the town hall viewer numbers and how trump failed.


Just sit home and ride this out.


Trump is basically out for blood at this point and is dropping even more bullshit than usual, and without getting in the gutter -- I don't know if you can win here because I feel certain Trump will go in and spend a lot of time trying to highlight that Post story, Russian Collusion, and hunter Biden. If you engage with that bullshit, you lose.

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335. "Easy dunks for Biden"
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Sheeeiiittt (c) he could just be like...are you better than you were 2 weeks ago
How’s covid going?
3rd wave
Unemployment >10M
Is your POTUS still a racist?
Shoutout Big Gretch
...and don’t forget, since the last debate...
the POTUS contracted covid
has hosted super spreader events
compromised national security by infecting his own administration
...and exposed the former VP and his wife to covid...

Whew...my thumbs is tired

I mean, he could have gave Joe a lethal virus

I’d be like...this isn’t funny anymore folks...I liked Barry getting angry yesterday...I want Joe to angry

The Hunter stuff is all-star weekend dunk contest 10s at this point

Where’s a Trumpster W?

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339. "RE: Easy dunks for Biden"
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Yeah but is the mutherfucka gonna even say any of that shit? He had dunks waiting last time and didn’t really go there. Yes I know some of the things you posted happened after the debate but still



>Sheeeiiittt (c) he could just be like...are you better than
>you were 2 weeks ago
>How’s covid going?
>3rd wave
>Unemployment >10M
>Is your POTUS still a racist?
>Shoutout Big Gretch
>...and don’t forget, since the last debate...
>the POTUS contracted covid
>has hosted super spreader events
>compromised national security by infecting his own
>administration
>...and exposed the former VP and his wife to covid...
>
>Whew...my thumbs is tired
>
>I mean, he could have gave Joe a lethal virus
>
>I’d be like...this isn’t funny anymore folks...I liked
>Barry getting angry yesterday...I want Joe to angry
>
>The Hunter stuff is all-star weekend dunk contest 10s at this
>point
>
>Where’s a Trumpster W?

  

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336. "bidens favorables have gone up the more trump attacks him."
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https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1319395512982921217

nobody cares about this hunter biden shit. and their obsession with it just proves to people that he isnt concerned about their lives. covid infections are ramping up across the country...people are losing their jobs...those who already lost their jobs are running out of unemployment benefits...and this nigga is going on and on about a laptop.

trump is the one that has to make up ground he lost with women, suburban and college educated white voters, seniors, etc. attacking hunter biden aint gonna do any of that.

in fact...thats the exact type of shit that has him in the hole hes in.

theres a reason why ukraine, obamagate, etc flopped. it failed to connect with the public on any material level. and this is just more of the same (literally a rehash).

also im not sure why people are acting like biden can just skip the debate. the press and his own base would hammer him for it (double standard). he has been pretty disciplined for a while now with no major trip ups. i expect that to continue tonight.

  

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337. "it would be cool if he could tag in snarky pete to hit back at trump"
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you know pete would turn the tables so quick whenever trump would bring up this trash.

biden will just give a smirk and move on which is enough but how satisfying would it be to hear him hit back like pete does? lol

  

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338. "pete really should give dems messaging templates"
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that they all go out and use in debates, talk shows, social media, etc.

i get mad that dems rarely have well crafted rebuttals for the same gop talking points that get repeated 24/7. theyre so easy to blow up.

  

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340. "Plus or minus how many times President Biff says Hunter Biden."
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At least 20 times.

If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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341. "LOL...he just say anything, man"
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342. "Trump's people wanted Joe to talk in hopes he would hurt himself..."
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dude is COOKING Trump, tonight. Maybe this ain't what they wanted.

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343. "T-rump just talks and shit doesnt make any sense"
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At least Biden takes his time to try to make coherent statements

  

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344. "yup..but instead hes gettin in that ass..Im relieved"
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>dude is COOKING Trump, tonight. Maybe this ain't what they
>wanted.

  

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345. "OH SHIT...."
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346. "why is the moderator letting Trump talk so much?"
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If you need any help, don't. Hesitate to ask.

  

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347. "I feel like she's on him, no? Didnt watch the last debate"
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But from what I read or seen this feels like an improvement in terms of reigning in the buffoon

  

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348. "I take that back"
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349. "it feels like Trump is talking more"
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353. "she IS letting him always respond"
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350. "he said he prepaid his taxes!!!"
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351. "dude is amazing"
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352. "So far this debate feels unsettlingly normal..."
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I'm baffled.

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354. "I accidentally heard 3 seconds of this mess earlier ..."
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... when I walked into our bedroom and my wife was watching. And all I heard was "... best economy in the world to fight this horrible disease that came from China."

3 fucking seconds and this dude was already being racist lol. Good fucking god how did we get here.

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355. "Trump comes off 10x better here than round 1. "
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Just off the fact that he looks relatively calm. Not based on anything he's saying

Biden holding his own too.

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356. "He does and that worries me because voters are idiots "
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How many undecided voters are going to vote for him off of this performance?

He is still all performance and no substance, just like a Cheetoh.

  

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358. "Biden looking sharper too. It's weird."
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In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
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368. "his demeanor was better, but his talking points were still"
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bullshit. there's no win in simply not throwing a tantrum. yes, his supporters are idiots, but this doesn't help him get more supporters.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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369. "I didn't watch but I think it actually might. This tweet put it well IMO..."
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>but this doesn't help him get more supporters.

https://twitter.com/bendreyfuss/status/1319456083849560065

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381. "I don't agree with that tweet. lol"
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I'm sure there are still a few undeciders, but I don't think his performance art will work for them. those folks know he's still a clown and will revert back to his normal as soon as he gets to his phone/computer.

and he's still full of lies. hopefully they've seen that he doesn't care about them and has no plans.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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382. "I mean I agree with everything you said except ..."
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.. the first part haha. I think you're underestimating how stupid Americans are. Specifically "undecided voter" Americans. lol


>I'm sure there are still a few undeciders, but I don't think
>his performance art will work for them. those folks know he's
>still a clown and will revert back to his normal as soon as he
>gets to his phone/computer.
>
>and he's still full of lies. hopefully they've seen that he
>doesn't care about them and has no plans.

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389. "possibly lol."
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I'm hopeful that they put a bit of logic into their decisions and not just vote for the team they're on.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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357. "Honestly this moderator is slippin"
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359. "she's wack and inefficient as much as the others were"
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360. "Does anyone ever like the moderators? What makes a good one?"
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361. "Someone who makes Trump stfu and answer the question"
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362. "thank you..and cut mics off as agreed upon"
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372. "to be fair, the production crew had the mic control"
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And the mute was only for the 2 minutes initially responding to the question, which I think they were pretty good about



But I thought she was pretty good moving them along, at some point there's only so much you can do with Trump. I thought she was hard on both and when Trump said wild shit like his taxes were coming soon or a vaccine was weeks away she immediately had follow up questions.


At some point she's got to get all her stuff in before 90 minutes are up though so you either spend all your time on one thing or hope the fact checkers do their job later and move on.


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363. "I would rather watch the Giants/Eagles game than this debate"
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So I don’t know what the moderator is or isn’t doing.

  

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364. "That's exactly what I did."
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365. "Its frustrating watching him miss out on would-be slam dunks"
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366. "DT will not stfu until he is has passed on. Even if he loses he will be ..."
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tv constantly criticizing future administrations.

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367. "that crime bill though"
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two old geezers battling it out

  

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370. "there should be no undecided..."
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Biden had some good ass coaching this week.

  

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371. "In a perfect world, my friend."
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>RE: there should be no undecided...

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373. "china/hunter biden conspiracy shit sounds so goofy"
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out in the general atmosphere (outside of fox news, facebook, etc).

'youre the big guy' lol. nobody knows wtf that is.

one of the downsides of trump being more subdued...it made it easier for biden to speak directly and draw a contrast on actual policy.

its still pretty incredible that this dude has been in office in 4 yrs and still sounds so clueless on his own policies.

  

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374. "Who’s winning, you think?"
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375. "the debate?"
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based on reputable polls...biden by like a 15+ pt lead.

nobody on this cnn panel thought trump won.
https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1319487596179881984

trump didnt shit himself on stage. but he didnt really land any big hits and he still sounds mad uninformed about his own administration. and then the usual lying.

  

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376. "Glad to hear, I found it frustrating"
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Biden had so many chances to rebuke & check him, missed opportunities galore. But Joe ultimately did good I think

But I was asking in terms of the election, who you got in 11 days from now?

  

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379. "free and fair? biden."
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but all the variables with mail in ballots, usps, closed polling places, russian hacking, etc?

who the fuck knows?

  

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380. "really?!?!"
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I thought Biden did well refuting everything “the other guy” said. and that what was so good about the moderator, she allowed each to respond to the accusations.

folks can longer say Biden is senile. He killed it last night...

  

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377. "This comment from one NYT reporter sums it up nicely"
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Biden — who leads by an average of around eight points — is the winner. But Biden’s win is also a function of a solid performance focused on real issues, in contrast with the president’s decision to spend most of the debate on the deep lore of the Fox Cinematic Universe.

  

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378. "wsj news side debunks wsj opinion side."
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you know the real reporters at wsj had fun killing the murdoch lackeys on the opinion side.

https://twitter.com/NoahShachtman/status/1319474005146017797
https://twitter.com/natemcdermott/status/1319475335721816064


this is funny.
https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1319395897843863553

  

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383. "the abraham lincoln thing killed me"
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when biden called trump abraham lincoln over here. then when biden was done talking trump was like "what do you mean abraham lincoln, i never said i was abraham lincoln. im donald trump." he looked so confused and i couldnt hear what else they said in that response over my laughter.

  

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385. "RE: the abraham lincoln thing killed me"
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>when biden called trump abraham lincoln over here. then when
>biden was done talking trump was like "what do you mean
>abraham lincoln, i never said i was abraham lincoln. im donald
>trump." he looked so confused and i couldnt hear what else
>they said in that response over my laughter.

That was hilarious

  

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384. "From here on out we call them the Poor Boys "
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Even his gaffes are hitting lol

  

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386. "Hahaha I said that to someone last nite."
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I heard about this "gaffe" and was like, nah I think that was just clever word play haha.

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387. "Only caught the last 2/3rds or so but definitely a better watch"
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than their 1st debate. lol


45 was less belligerent and seems to have figured out how to codeswitch to the cold-hearted Repub asshole one would expect from their party at the moment (in the style of: M. McConnell, T. Cotton, etc).


I thought Biden did an excellent job fighting back against the corruption accusations and selling why the Dems make better sense on healthcare. 45 suprised me on climate a bit, in the sense he was making critiques I've heard/read before in the policy dialogue surrounding renewable energy. But this was undermined by his inability to even grasp the concept of environmental racism...


I did feel both of them kinda sucked on racism and criminal justice tho. And I really wish Biden could articulate immigration policy better (an area I watch closely). I was so disappointed he couldn't fight back more effectively against 45s hateful xenophobia, especially since Dems are obviously the humane party on those issues. For example, he did a terrible job defending the gov's Alternatives to Detention programs (aka ATDs aka "Catch and Release") which had plenty of merit (eg. The GAO evaluated ATDs in a 2014 report and found *ridiculously* high compliance; 99% of ISAP enrollees under full-service supervision/case management appeared at their court hearings and if it was a final removal hearing (so basically obvious/imminent deportation) it dropped only to 95%: fas.org/sgp/crs/homesec/R45804.pdf#page=12). Furthermore, the conversation always seems to wind its way back to DACA recipients - when 45s admin has done way, way, *way* more to obliterate legal immigration (hurting students, researchers, doctors, fiances/spouses, etc especially from non-white regions).

But overall, I'd still give it to Biden even tho 45 eventually fell into a snarky groove. Biden sounded like Pres #46.

  

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388. "the most google searched issue during the debate was wages."
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https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1319681537256861698

if you wanna know where most of americas head is really at.

  

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390. "Dems need to hammer the economy more imo"
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Trump should objectively not be close in any category, especially the economy.

Unemployment, job losses, slow rebound, no stimulus deal from the "deal maker", etc.

COVID is a lot of things but Dems need to better tie it to the economy.

If they have done this I haven't noticed.

  

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