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MEAT
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""TRUMP: It is the plague." April 13th"


  

          

New Woodward audio from April 13 via CNN:

TRUMP: This thing is a killer if it gets you. If you're the wrong person, you don't have a chance.
WOODWARD: Yes, yes, exactly.
TRUMP: So this rips you apart.
WOODWARD: This is a scourge. And--
TRUMP: It is the plague.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1305665212201275396

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When people talk about "Trump Derangement" syndrome
Sep 15th 2020
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Look - it's Joe Biden's fault
Sep 15th 2020
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“I can kill 200K Americans and not lose one vote”
Sep 15th 2020
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Does any of this affect his chances of a second term?
Sep 15th 2020
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Why does that matter?
Sep 15th 2020
5
Why does it matter if the man behind it will keep his position of power?
Sep 15th 2020
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      "Will this help or hurt his re-election" is what you're saying
Sep 15th 2020
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           k
Sep 15th 2020
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           And I'm not trying to diss you
Sep 15th 2020
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                Man you didn't specify what this post was about
Sep 15th 2020
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                No shade but this just sounds weird
Sep 15th 2020
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                     I think it sounds weirder to depersonalize everything
Sep 15th 2020
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           *eyes widen*
Sep 15th 2020
9
           We’ve said he was evil for years
Sep 15th 2020
20
                But if we focus everything on the man we miss the actions
Sep 15th 2020
22
           A strain of Snyder's "Politics of Eternity"
Sep 15th 2020
10
It will turn a SMALL percentage of folks
Sep 15th 2020
11
It's weird that we still talk about him 'winning an election'
Sep 15th 2020
13
      He can intentinally allow hundreds of thousands to die and still be "eli...
Sep 15th 2020
16
           Fully agreed
Sep 15th 2020
17
Joe Biden should take a page from Trumps playbook and HAMMER this
Sep 15th 2020
15
Push for reopening the same day
Sep 15th 2020
18

navajo joe
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1. "When people talk about "Trump Derangement" syndrome"
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What is deranged is the fact that the President of the United States knowingly lied (on tape) to the American people about a disease that has disproportionately killed Black/Brown people and it gets crickets because of how much he and his administration has been able to re-shape norms.

They overwhelm people w/ crimes and scandal and they can't keep up and come to just accept it as 'well, yeah of course he did.'

That's the literal definition of derangement.

This has been the game all along. Inundate and Inure.

"Regardless if you listen to me, in the end we'll see."
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handle
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2. "Look - it's Joe Biden's fault"
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legsdiamond
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3. "“I can kill 200K Americans and not lose one vote” "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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PimpTrickGangstaClik
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4. "Does any of this affect his chances of a second term?"
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The Woodward stuff specifically.

I don't think it does. It should, but it won't turn anyone.

  

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MEAT
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5. "Why does that matter?"
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PimpTrickGangstaClik
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6. "Why does it matter if the man behind it will keep his position of power?"
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It matters because it will determine whether it continues or not

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MEAT
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7. ""Will this help or hurt his re-election" is what you're saying"
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Tue Sep-15-20 10:17 AM by MEAT

  

          

And the degree that people jump to that point, without evaluating things from their own lens ... it completely warps reality.

Rather than people chiming in on what they think or feel about something, they pontificate like pundits about what masses of people will do in a period of time from now.


Like I have zero clue about how PimpTrickGangstaClik feels about this revelation. But I do know that you're concerned with how other people won't feel about this. And I believe that you have motivations and concerns outside of other people.

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PimpTrickGangstaClik
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8. "k"
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MEAT
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12. "And I'm not trying to diss you"
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Yall know good and well I'll jump to offensive insults often and out of seemingly nowhere.

All I'm asking is why does it matter BEFORE acknowledging how horrific some of these things are? Are we becoming so numb?

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14. "Man you didn't specify what this post was about"
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All you did was post a quote. If you want to steer the discussion a certain way, then do that. Ask those questions. Don't leave it open then jump on people for going a direction you don't want.

I posted what I want to discuss related to the topic.

I don't want to discuss that other stuff, because I already got that figured out for myself. I don't get any value out of posting "Trump is a bad man" on OKP

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legsdiamond
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19. "No shade but this just sounds weird"
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You want people who have bashed Trump for 4 years to bash him some more before discussing if this will impact the election?

Do you know where you are?

You’re preaching to the choir.

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MEAT
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21. "I think it sounds weirder to depersonalize everything "
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Like take the NFL boycott issue. Everytime something pops up you do some version of “ratings” still up. And there’s many of us on here that don’t fuck with the league anymore. But instead of that being a point of conversation you point to the people that aren’t the people you’re interacting with on the message board. Meanwhile we’re on season 3? of no fantasy league.

And it’s the same with the election. Like there are real feelings, fears, outrages, and concerns about this stuff. Yet there’s a number of folks that always direct that to what it means for polls and votes. Meanwhile life is so much more than that.

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9. "*eyes widen*"
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>Rather than people chiming in on what they think or feel about
>something, they pontificate like pundits about what masses of
>people will do in a period of time from now.

*nods furiously*

Very nicely put, sir. Sometimes our role in all of this is to see horrifying crimes (passive and active, in the case of the hysterectomy post) committed against our friends and neighbors and to say, loudly and often, that it's evil.

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20. "We’ve said he was evil for years"
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not really sure why we have to say it every time before discussing the impact of it all on the masses.

I know where I am tho... you have to condemn in every post or you are painted as an ally of the evil empire.

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MEAT
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22. "But if we focus everything on the man we miss the actions"
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Like he’s so comic villain that we don’t even discuss the destructo ray.
Every conversation is Trump is bad, some folks saying they didn’t expect it, then folks discussing that it doesn’t matter
And like ... mass deaths matter.

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navajo joe
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10. "A strain of Snyder's "Politics of Eternity""
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Things will always be as they are (bad) so nothing really matters.

It is largely a cover for people's passivity, an opportunity to remain disengaged because there is no sense in doing anything if nothing will change (because nothing ever changes).

We see it all the time on this site "Both sides are the same," "This doesn't won't/matter," "Americans/Whites were always like this and will always be like this," etc.

It is often done with complete disregard for things like actual data, history, policy, etc.

The flip side is "The Politics of Inevitablity" in which things will always sort themselves out and in the end and tend toward freedom/democracy etc.

Both lure people into either a false sense of security/insecurity and passivity because they take outcomes as predetermined and remove responsibility from individuals for acting during their moment in history.

"Regardless if you listen to me, in the end we'll see."
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"You’ve had 4 years of Trump University and are still failing the final exam smh"
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11. "It will turn a SMALL percentage of folks"
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Tue Sep-15-20 10:27 AM by handle

          

There are still a few that will hear a lie so big and recognize it as a lie.

This will be a game of inches - Trump is trying to use the natural advantage given by the Electoral College plus voter suppression to eek out a win.

IF this puts even 1% of folks who were voting for Trump into Biden's camp it could help.

It's not going to help the 100 million people who LOVE T0urmp.


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13. "It's weird that we still talk about him 'winning an election'"
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Although he/his accomplices have no interest in actually winning an election.

He just wants to steal an election.

That's why a president whose approval rating is under water doesn't give a shit about improving it. This is why he only plays to his base but never works on expanding it. It's why he's declared all methods democractic practices (mail-in voting, ballot drop-off boxes, etc) as methods of cheating, and have already declared any result other than him winning as something he will not recognize. It's why the RNC is spending 20 million dollars to send people to intimidate people at the polls and why Trump and people like Caputo are encouraging their followers to prepare to be violent should they lose (and even if they win).

These aren't the tactics of people worried about 'winning an election' these are the tactics of someone engaged in stealing one.

"Regardless if you listen to me, in the end we'll see."
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"You’ve had 4 years of Trump University and are still failing the final exam smh"
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16. "He can intentinally allow hundreds of thousands to die and still be "eli..."
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Tue Sep-15-20 12:05 PM by MEAT

  

          

eligible to be president. That's grotesque.

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17. "Fully agreed"
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Tue Sep-15-20 12:14 PM by navajo joe

  

          

And indicative of the fact that this country's institutions and American people were never prepared for what we now face.


So the show goes on because there is no way to stop the show.

It's why I don't see Trump as a failed president but rather the most successful op of all time.

"Regardless if you listen to me, in the end we'll see."
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"You’ve had 4 years of Trump University and are still failing the final exam smh"
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15. "Joe Biden should take a page from Trumps playbook and HAMMER this"
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point and quote RELENTLESSLY. any statement about trump should include his referring to covid as the plague. hold a new press conference and make a new commercial immediately. keeping it at the absolute forefront will have the most impact.

  

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18. "Push for reopening the same day"
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Tue Sep-15-20 05:26 PM by MEAT

  

          

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1305974826453086208?s=21

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